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Speaker 1: esp in Cleveland. Here are your hosts, Bo Bishop and

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Speaker 1: Nathan Ziggura. Hell, let's live on day first Friday Editure.

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Speaker 1: The program merely Beau Gibby here as well. Z's still

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Speaker 1: on assignment. I was thinking the official what you got

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Speaker 1: financial penalty. They knew if we give him a year,

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Speaker 1: the contract tolls, and if the contract tolls, his the

428
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Speaker 1: deal doesn't start until that gets him that knocks off.

429
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Speaker 1: You know, it's one year later he hits free agency.

430
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Speaker 1: Down the line, he can never get the forty six

431
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Speaker 1: million dollars back that he would have gotten in three

432
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Speaker 1: That then converts to the one million dollar based salary.

433
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Speaker 1: So basically the NFL said, not only we are we

434
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Speaker 1: docking him a year, but we're also giving him a

435
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Speaker 1: financial penalty without coming out and just saying, hey, we're

436
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Speaker 1: finding you forty plus million dollars. No, we're just you're

437
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: going to get fined by the fact that your contract

438
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 1: tolls and there's really no way for you ever to

439
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 1: make that up um in the aggregate. So I think

440
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Speaker 1: part of it was optics, and part of it was

441
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Speaker 1: going after the money from the NFL standpoint, and then

442
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Speaker 1: I think from the union standpoint, it was let's defend

443
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: the money, and let's defend the money through how the

444
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 1: NFL has handled other disciplinary situations with owners and Charles

445
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Speaker 1: Roger Goodell's own words have been used again. I'm sure

446
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Speaker 1: we're going to be used against him from the NFL

447
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: p A when he is saying that, you know, owners, commissioners, players,

448
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: all of us are gonna be held to a high

449
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 1: state the same standard. Um. And you you look at

450
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Speaker 1: the Snyder stuff, especially, my goodness, that's twenty years of

451
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Speaker 1: of of various abuse and allegations that have been against

452
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Speaker 1: him for for a couple of decades of running the

453
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Speaker 1: Washington football team. How do you is there anything in

454
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Speaker 1: Sue Robinson's past from her federal time as a judge

455
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Speaker 1: that you could look into and try to make some

456
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Speaker 1: sense or guess of how she will view the comparison

457
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Speaker 1: of let's just use Snyder in this case Snyder and

458
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Speaker 1: this instance with Watson. Well, okay, so here's the thing

459
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Speaker 1: with Robinson, particularly the federal judge ship um, because she's

460
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Speaker 1: in Delaware, A lot of that has been handling corporate

461
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 1: related cases. You know, it's a lot of patent um dudes. Um,

462
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 1: It's it's very much steeped in um the reality that delawares, uh,

463
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: it's a safe harbor for corporations. So you end up

464
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Speaker 1: with a ton of massive caseload of you know, corporate

465
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Speaker 1: related you know issues, and so it's it's hard to

466
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: really look at that and map out where would Sue

467
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: Robinson fall when it comes to a case like this.

468
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 1: Even though in some ways it is sort of the corporation,

469
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Speaker 1: the NFL versus the player. UM. But you know, Sue

470
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Speaker 1: Robinson also that that wasn't that's the only part of

471
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 1: her legal background that matters. UM. She was a district

472
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 1: She was a UM an assistant district attorney, which you know,

473
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Speaker 1: a situation where you're you're sitting in a chair where

474
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Speaker 1: you prosecute crimes. UM. She does have that in her background.

475
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,159
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's difficult to pin down, you know,

476
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, how she's really going to navigate this because

477
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 1: it's just hard to find something in her past that's

478
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: really truly applicable. And I would I would hesitate to say, hey,

479
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: you know, in her past as a as a federal judge,

480
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Speaker 1: she's probably leaned a little more into UM protecting corporations.

481
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: So is she going to protect UM the NFL? And

482
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Speaker 1: it's you know, essentially it's corporate rules that be the

483
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Speaker 1: personal condom policy versus the you know, individual rights of

484
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Speaker 1: a player. Some people would probably look at that and say,

485
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Speaker 1: I would tend to believe that a conservative judge was

486
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Speaker 1: appointed by you know, George Herbert Walker Bush and and

487
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: sat you know, even though she overlapped multiple different Um,

488
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: you know, presidents. She's still a conservative judge. She still

489
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: stands in favor typically, um, you know, in favor of

490
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Speaker 1: protecting corporations. So that's how she's going to handle this.

491
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Speaker 1: I just again, I wouldn't I wouldn't read too much

492
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Speaker 1: into that this is unprecedented. We don't know where she's

493
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: going to come down on this. So um, that's why

494
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: this first case is such a big indicator, not only

495
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: for the NFL but also the union. How the process

496
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: is gonna work and how Sue Robinson's gonna work. Mutually

497
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: grew up agreed upon Robinson right, both NFLPA and NFL.

498
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: How did how did they set on and paid compensated

499
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: by both? How was she? How did they settle on her?

500
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Speaker 1: How did she pass them? For both sides? Um, well,

501
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: you know they so basically when the cd A was

502
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 1: hammered out and they agreed, hey, let's have this this

503
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: jointly paid and agreed upon you know, disciplinary officer. The

504
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: way it was explained to me was there was, you know,

505
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: a pool of candidates and remember the union, NFL's the

506
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: NFL p A. They have a lot of DC ties,

507
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: so they're familiar with a lot of of you know, judges,

508
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't know what it was in

509
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 1: particular that caused them to select her, Um, but you know,

510
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 1: she was someone when when I've spoken to the union

511
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: about her going back a couple of months ago, UM,

512
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: when it became clear that this was something that was

513
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: going to advance to her, you know, they had you know,

514
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: high praise for her. They basically said, look, you know,

515
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: we we think she's someone who could do the job.

516
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: She's got really good solid credentials. Um, we think that

517
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: her background has has been fair. Uh. They didn't have

518
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: an issue that she was you know, appointage by a

519
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: conservative president and and tended to probably have conservative corporate leanings.

520
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: I think they kind of felt like that's more of

521
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: just where she was positioned, being in um, you know,

522
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: sitting on a federal bench in Delaware. Uh. They were

523
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 1: impressed by the fact that you know, she moved up

524
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: in the ranks in terms of the federal judge ship.

525
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: You know, she held the number one seat by the

526
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 1: time um, you know she she stepped down in So

527
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think they felt like, hey, this

528
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: is any kind of a problem here. If anything, I

529
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: think the Union was sort of reticent to have any

530
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: level of confidence in how it would unfold. In terms

531
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Speaker 1: of the appeal. They're sort of sitting there going, well, look,

532
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, we can appeal it,

533
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: we go to Roger or his designe Roger, the NFL

534
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: appeals that they go to Rogers designe. Obviously we are

535
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: at a disadvantage there. But I think the Union also

536
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: believes that the NFL knows, um, it would be a

537
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: really bad look to step on a federal judge immediately.

538
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: Uh that was you know, jointly agreed upon in the

539
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: first case. Like if the NFL comes out and says, Nope,

540
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: not the right decision, we're gonna appeal it. We're gonna

541
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: set the standard ourselves. In some ways, I think the

542
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: Union would then look and say, okay, well, you've just

543
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: taken this judge that this former judge that we agreed upon,

544
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:20,120
Speaker 1: and you've basically made her position moot in the process.

545
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: You can decide anyway, and you've shown you're going to

546
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,959
Speaker 1: do that, And so we're right back to square one

547
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: again with how um, you know, discipline is is meeted out.

548
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: Talking to the Great Charles Robinson, senior NFL reporter investigating

549
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: reporter at Yeahoo Sports. As you can obviously tell, very

550
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: plugged into all of this. A couple more for you

551
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 1: if you do, If you have the time, sir, I

552
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: want to ask you on the Watson defense and just

553
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: so that we all understand it right. So it'll be

554
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: Rusty Harden representing Watson UH to Robinson, and then it

555
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: will be Jeffrey Kessler for the NFL p A and

556
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 1: his his focus there will be on the financial Is

557
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: that do I have that right? Yeah? So it's so hardened.

558
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: Harden and Kessler are going to work together and Harden

559
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: is more involved in the particulars of so the way

560
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: the NFL is approaching that they wanted to take a

561
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: narrow scope. UM. They ultimately chose uh five women and

562
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Speaker 1: you know, from what I understand, they had more interviews

563
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: than just the five women. Actually, I think out of

564
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: the five and only four UM sat with NFL investigators.

565
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: But they felt like they had enough UM evidence and

566
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: contemporaneous evidence with the fifth to also add UM the

567
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: fifth individual woman UM. Now that said basically the facts

568
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: of what the women are alleging and then what was

569
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: UM brought up in the process of depositions and the

570
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: investigation by by Watson's legal defense team. That's what what

571
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: Rusty will be handling the particulars of the allegations directly

572
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:52,719
Speaker 1: against Watson, whereas Kessler is going to handle more of precedent. Okay,

573
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: what's the precedent of discipline? You know, in terms of

574
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: the league office. He's going to attack the lack of

575
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: discipline where it concerns owners, or at least their perceived

576
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: black discipline, and how that should should factor and weigh

577
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: into um Ultimately, you know what a suspension should look like.

578
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: That's so you have it right, That's that's how they're

579
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: going to provide it up. Kesler is going to handle

580
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: more of the broader overview of how the disciplinary process

581
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 1: works in precedent, you know from from past situations, whereas

582
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: Harden's more going to be answering in defense of the

583
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: direct allegation. All right, last one for you. I'll get

584
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Speaker 1: you out of here on this, Charles, and I can't

585
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: thank you enough for your time and I won't hold

586
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: you to this because to your point, there is no precedent.

587
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: What is your best guess on a timeline for all

588
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: of this to come to conclusion. Uh, that's what everybody going.

589
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: I want to know that. I would be great. I'm

590
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: so happy. UM. You know I when I talked to

591
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: someone with the union, I said, you know, how long

592
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,719
Speaker 1: do you think this could go? Their first ballpark was

593
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: They thought that, look, this could go two to three

594
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,479
Speaker 1: days in terms of the hearing itself, and then in

595
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: terms of UM Sue Robinson's ultimate decision. The I mean

596
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: it was as broad as it was, just like, hey,

597
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: we expect a decision before he would he would take

598
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: the field in training camp. So their ideal, UM, I

599
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: think would be like mid July, like let's let's get

600
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: this hammered out hopefully you know, within a week of

601
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: the reporting date UM for the Browns. But again they

602
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, it's ultimately going to be how

603
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: you know, Sue Robinson wants to to weigh this out

604
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: in the time she wants to take to sort through

605
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: not only the exhibits that are presented to her, but

606
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: she also has to to sort through all the different arguments.

607
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: And there's the potential where she could follow up and

608
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: ask a few questions if she feels like something doesn't

609
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: get addressed UM directly. In the hearing, she can still

610
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 1: reach out to the to the camps jointly and say, hey,

611
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: I got a couple other questions for you to answer.

612
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: But UM, I think they thought, at least initially the

613
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: UM the proceedings themselves in Delaware would take about three days.

614
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: Now we'll see. We're in day two, UM, and I

615
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: wish I could tell you exactly how it's going on

616
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: and that, but yeah, it's it's I give them credit

617
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: other than the fact that the NFL's you know, keeps

618
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: seeming to leak you know, the UM this idea of

619
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: what a suspension should look like, the actual details, but

620
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: you know what Robinson's asking and how the leaning feels

621
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Speaker 1: UM has been pretty quiet. I will say this though,

622
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Speaker 1: it's interesting that following day one for the AP to

623
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: come out and say, you know, via source that the

624
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: NFL you know, would not be inclined to UM appeal

625
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: if it's six to eight games. That's an interesting reality

626
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: and it makes me wonder if maybe in day one,

627
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: the NFL, based on maybe questions to Robinson had or

628
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: how the first day of her seeings went, the NFL's

629
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: sitting there saying, hey, we better we are set the

630
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: ground floor for this. Like we've set what what we

631
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: wanted to be with the calendar year, maybe we need

632
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: to get the ground floor out there too, to send

633
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: a message to Sue Robinson that if you come in

634
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: at sixth date, we're not gonna appeal it. If you

635
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: come in below six are off. Charles, I can't thank

636
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: you enough for your time, uh and making a smarter today.

637
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: Thank you for everything you do. Appreciate your time to

638
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: day my friend absolutely thanks for having me, all right,

639
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: he's the best. That's Charles Robinson on where we stand

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Speaker 1: with all of this, and um, I was literally taking

641
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Speaker 1: notes with all of it. So there's a lot of

642
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: good stuff there in terms of the process and what

643
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: to expect and reading tea leaves and the pieces. And

644
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: we'll kind of react to some of the stuff that

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Speaker 1: Charles said there. We'll do that after this quick time out.

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654
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Speaker 1: I asked to Charles in the interview, UM is because

655
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Speaker 1: I'm ma sure you get this all the time. I

656
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: get it all the time. When when are we gonna know? What?

657
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: Are we gonna know? What's it gonna be? When are

658
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: we gonna know it? This is the guy who is

659
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: as plugged in as anybody on the process of all

660
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: of this, And I think what you got in that

661
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: interview is a pretty direct picture, very clear picture of

662
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: the process. And while the process is crystal clear, the

663
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: result is entirely foggy. And so almost anyone that is

664
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Speaker 1: projecting when how what this is gonna look like doesn't

665
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Speaker 1: have the first damn clue. The thing he said at

666
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Speaker 1: the end was pretty interesting, though, the A Peep story,

667
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: because that is I mean, that's the Associated Press. You're

668
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: not messing around there, um, And the A p story

669
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: getting out there that the NFL would not appeal a

670
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Speaker 1: six to eight gamer um that coming off of a

671
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Speaker 1: weekend full in the Washington in the Wall Street Journal,

672
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: where it was a season at least and then indefinitely.

673
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: So that kind of tells you. I like how we

674
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: phrase that at one point. I think you phrased it

675
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Speaker 1: in the interview, um as the NFL putting up guardrails

676
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: for what is acceptable on those things. I do think,

677
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Speaker 1: just me speaking, it almost feels to me like it

678
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: has to be one or the other. Just based on

679
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: all of the really smart people who are plugged in

680
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: on this, it almost feels like it's it's either a

681
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: full year or it's six to eight. Because if it's twelve,

682
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: then almost feels like a full year, even though it's not.

683
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: You might as well, but you're gonna come back and

684
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Speaker 1: play five games at that point, you know, what's the

685
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 1: point of that. Um So, it feels like it's either

686
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: one window or the other, and the other doesn't seem

687
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Speaker 1: very likely to me. So my hunches it would be

688
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: in the first window. But we'll see. Too bad you

689
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Speaker 1: don't have a red light. God bless it today, strike

690
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: that up for America would be so proud, would be

691
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Speaker 1: ecstatic right in the middle of all this heavy lifting,

692
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Speaker 1: and you're heavy lifting all week. I should have seen

693
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Speaker 1: it at three o'clock yesterday, kids, But after I was

694
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Speaker 1: a man performance was on a gurney man. Um. It

695
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Speaker 1: definitely is one of those situations where if it's more

696
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Speaker 1: than eight games, you're you're right it I mean more

697
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Speaker 1: than eight games. Your Jacob said, is a good quarterback

698
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Speaker 1: Jcoby BRISSETTEV game quarterback? Yeah, I mean he would be.

699
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Speaker 1: He would be if he has to be. I think

700
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Speaker 1: that like if it were elve or something like that,

701
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: would you even play wats And at that point, that's

702
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Speaker 1: what I mean, you you kind of just screw up

703
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,959
Speaker 1: the function or whatever you have. Point it's either half

704
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: of it's the full season, yeah, um. The the other

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00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 1: A couple of other things that I thought were really

706
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Speaker 1: interesting in there was how um, how Sue Robinson was selected,

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Speaker 1: the credentials that she has, uh sixteen years on a

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Speaker 1: federal bench um paid by both sides, um. And also

709
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: one of the things that we talked about, you know,

710
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Speaker 1: over the course of last week or so on this show. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know this notion that the NFL is not going

712
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: to want to undermine their own process. This is a

713
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Speaker 1: collectively bargained process, and if they undermine it with appealing it,

714
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Speaker 1: then this is the first time out. Then what's the

715
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Speaker 1: point of it, you've undermined in a sense the c

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Speaker 1: b A. So you know, I don't know that. I

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Speaker 1: don't know that they're going to do that. I think

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Speaker 1: that they're gonna both sides. But I can see that

719
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Speaker 1: I could see the nfl p A appealing it almost

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Speaker 1: no matter what, unless it was zero appealing it no

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Speaker 1: matter what. But I don't see any I see very

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Speaker 1: I see. I think it's very long odds that Goodell

723
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Speaker 1: or anybody that he would again independently select as an

724
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Speaker 1: arbiter on this in the in the appeal process would

725
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Speaker 1: go against this original process. This is the process everybody

726
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Speaker 1: agreed upon. So it feels like whatever she comes down with,

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Speaker 1: we live by. And the appeal goes to Goodell, not

728
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Speaker 1: to her. So it goes to him or he can

729
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Speaker 1: appoint somebody else to hear the appeal, but it would

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Speaker 1: be somebody that he's he's And then you're dragging it

731
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Speaker 1: out further because you got it, let's be honest, and

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Speaker 1: Charles said it with with without saying it totally. You

733
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Speaker 1: gotta have this put to bed before training camp. But

734
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Speaker 1: it's not fair to the football team, it's not fair

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Speaker 1: to all parties involved to not know before training camp well,

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Speaker 1: and the other part of that, you know, I thought

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Speaker 1: that when I asked him, and I wouldn't hold his

738
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Speaker 1: feet to it, nor would ever. But he's plugged in

739
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Speaker 1: and you asked the best guests on time line. That's

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Speaker 1: another one of those pay attention a little bit because

741
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: there will be there's presentation of both sides. It's took

742
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: place yesterday, taking place today, that could go on to tomorrow.

743
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Speaker 1: Then Sue Robinson is gonna look at all this and

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00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: she may have follow ups, as he said, and we

745
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: talked about that, she could have follow ups to either

746
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Speaker 1: side and then she would take the time to make

747
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Speaker 1: the judgment. So as long as you're you know, middle

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Speaker 1: of July, heck, last week of July whenever, as long

749
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Speaker 1: as you're in that window, you have plenty of time

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Speaker 1: to sort it out. Um. But I wouldn't expect anything,

751
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Speaker 1: and I didn't sound like Charles would either. I would

752
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Speaker 1: not expect anything imminent, that this is gonna be something

753
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Speaker 1: wrapped up quickly, because there's a lot of there are

754
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: so many layers to this. UM. I asked him about

755
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Speaker 1: the Snyder stuff. Just use Snyder as an example, um,

756
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Speaker 1: of of what has happened for twenty years there. How

757
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: will she weigh that in that? Should she weigh that?

758
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,959
Speaker 1: How's she going to interpret it? How is she gonna

759
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: I mean, the NFL's code of conduct is pretty nebulous.

760
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: How are you going to interpret what that means? And

761
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 1: how is it different? And remember Goodell's own words, Commissioner, owners,

762
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Speaker 1: players all judged by the same standard. Well, are you

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Speaker 1: sure this is how you did it with Snyder as

764
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Speaker 1: they did it with Jones? What are we sure that

765
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Speaker 1: that's the other layer to it? So there's she's it's

766
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Speaker 1: a tough needle to thread. Well, I didn't even think

767
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: about this example. But the whole Calvin Ridley, you know

768
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Speaker 1: your long suspension for gambling, right, you know that that

769
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Speaker 1: he mentioned it that could play a factor in in

770
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Speaker 1: in things. Well, Ridley's thing too is I mean, that

771
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Speaker 1: is a revenue stream that the NFL is pursuing, and

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Speaker 1: a big part of being able to pursue it is

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Speaker 1: that there is integrity in the game on the field, right,

774
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Speaker 1: Because that's the thing that you're paying the closest bit

775
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Speaker 1: of attention to look at Swag black Quarters that I

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Speaker 1: thought he would be never's on the right. Well, that

777
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Speaker 1: always confirmed, always be grinding. Yeah, all right, so that's

778
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: where you stand on that. A lot of good information

779
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: from Charles in that interview. Um. Kareem Hunt is at

780
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: his youth football camp. Today. Ashley based Dock of Cleveland

781
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: Cleveland dot Com caught up with him and asked him

782
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: about his future with the Browns. Here's what Kareem had

783
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: to say. Last year here, he told us, See, hope

784
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: Nick got paid soon, and it was like three weeks

785
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: later he did. So what he got course this year,

786
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Speaker 1: I hope I get there. So you know, whatever the

787
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: you know, decide, they know I'm gonna come out there

788
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 1: and give him a law, you know, do whatever I

789
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: can help the team win. It to you to stick

790
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: around beyond him this year, I mean it's import and

791
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: you know, I get to do stuff like this all

792
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: the time. You know, my hometown from my high school,

793
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: middle school is over there, so you know it's it's important.

794
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's good to be around my family. Everybody's

795
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: here and you know, coaches, it's a lot of familiar

796
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: face with out here. Yeah. I mean, I we we

797
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 1: love having Kareem here. I think we forget how big

798
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: his loss was last year. And we talked about it

799
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: all the time on the show, but him not being

800
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: there was so noticeable. Uh last season when he went

801
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: down with an injury. Um, you've got a lot of

802
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: running backs though, and so who knows where that all?

803
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: That's a fascinating room to watch five running backs. I

804
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: mean you really you're probably need three and you drafted one. Yeah,

805
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: so where where does that leave everyone else? Well, Felton

806
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: is the one that's interesting. Does he slide? Can he

807
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: slide back into the receiver room? I mean, but these

808
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: are going to be the last cuts on the team

809
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: when you talk you know, Felton and Ford and you

810
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: know where all of that works as you get down

811
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Speaker 1: to that original number that you need to get down to.

812
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: So um, but I think whatever, what all of us

813
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: would want, what Browns fans want is just one one

814
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: full year with Kareem and Nick both healthy for the year.

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Speaker 1: Look what's that look like? You know, we haven't had them?

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00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: You know, like when you play with the brown Is

817
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 1: on Madden and it's pure joy because you've got there

818
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 1: both there all the time. Like that's you just want

819
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: that for a year. You want a little bit of

820
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: taste of of what that could look like um. And

821
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Speaker 1: by the way, earlier in his sit down with the

822
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,720
Speaker 1: media at his camp, he did say, I'm healthy. Everything's great,

823
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,319
Speaker 1: but I am very cognizant of that. You know that

824
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: ankle area and that calf muscle, and I spend a

825
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: lot of time every day now stretching both of those. Yeah,

826
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: for sure. It was a little bit of a scary incident,

827
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: wake up call. I mean, I think we all thought

828
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Speaker 1: the worst. The fact he was even able to come

829
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: back was impressive. I remember texting Z because it happened

830
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: right in front of him and I said, oh god,

831
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: I said, what did you see? And he just goes

832
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: not good like you thought. It was done, no no contact.

833
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: He literally planted and went the went the wrong way. Yeah. Yeah,

834
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: so he's I mean this it's when you and we'll

835
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: we'll play. We'll get into Jacoby Brissette in the second hour.

836
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: Nathan went one on one with Jacoby. Will play that

837
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: probably around two fifteen to eighteen something like that. You

838
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: can hear some of that. If it is Brisset for

839
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: an extended period of time, those two backs are going

840
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: to be critical and setting it all up. Um. I

841
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: think the other thing to pay attention to and what

842
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: we'll do higher lower here in a second in terms

843
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: of um best rosters in the NFL from PFF on

844
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: ESPN dot Com. Um, I when we have people on,

845
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: I don't know that. And even when I talk about

846
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: the Browns in general, I don't know if people have

847
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: a full appre appreciation of how good our defense is

848
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: and and how talented that it is, especially the back seven.

849
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: And so that will play a part in all of

850
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: this as well. But you can play some really complimentary

851
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,560
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852
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,160
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853
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,040
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854
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,680
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855
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,760
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856
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 1: like I said, we will get to the Brissett. We'll

857
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: we'll we'll play that interview Nathan Tod with Jacoby um

858
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,600
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00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: you coming up here in the second hour of the program.

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00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,480
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00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,719
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862
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,279
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863
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,600
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864
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887
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: I'm so honored here. You're welcome, pretty generous, and do

888
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: what I can do when I can do it. We're

889
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: getting through it doing the week were uh. Zagaro was

890
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: texting me this morning. I said, I said, dude, hey,

891
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: get off your phone, like, is it cold up there?

892
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: Because you all look like you are buttoned up in jackets.

893
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: And he's like no, it's like I was like, well,

894
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: then put on some shorts, how about a T shirt?

895
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: Like you're wearing sweatshirts? Maybe maybe breezy. Maybe it's breezy

896
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: in the morning. He's on assignment. Who knows. I've never

897
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: been up there. I've never been. We we have the

898
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: place at the lake, so we always just go here

899
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: to the lake. I'm assuming I'm sure that it's you know,

900
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: Lake Michigan. The beaches and the dunes and all of that.

901
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: I think I'm sure they're nice. The dunes are nice.

902
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: They're pretty cool, right, Yeah, they are very cool, but

903
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: you're yeah, the further north you go, it's it's chili.

904
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: Well yeah, so I was thinking about, um, you know,

905
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: I think and by the way, like I saw Monday,

906
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: they were like eight hundred flights canceled in the country

907
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: on Monday. So like, as I'm weighing this potential Montana

908
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: trip at the end of July and I'm thinking about

909
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 1: tickets and flights canceled, I'm going, this just does not

910
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: seem like the smart thing to do at this time. Um.

911
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: So I was trying to think of places, you know,

912
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: that within an eight hour drive that I could go to,

913
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: and I was looking at like the Traverse City, Mackinaw

914
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: Island area, and that is all of that. That is

915
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: eight hours up there. It's every bit of eight hours.

916
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: Have you done relatives that lived in the Upper Peninsula. Okay,

917
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: so you've been to like Macanna Island and all that,

918
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,279
Speaker 1: and okay, yeah, it it gets chili. It's it's not

919
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: like it what am I doing? Like I take the fan?

920
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: What are we doing? If I go up there? You

921
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: can go, you can go on the water, you can

922
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: hang out, there's pools, there's things to do. I mean

923
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: it's very comfortable. It's it's very Maybury esque, all right.

924
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: You would similar to destined and and things to do,

925
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: all right? You know that there's not really the resorts.

926
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: There's one big nice hotel that's in Macina, right, a

927
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: big one. Yeah. And they got no no, no vehicles there. Right,

928
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: it's like all horses and carriages. That's the deal. I

929
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: don't know the answer to that off the top of

930
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: my head. And if you've done Traverse City, Traverse City

931
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: is fun. A lot of bars, a lot of breweries. Yeah,

932
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: he could thrive Grand Rapids. I love Grand Rapids, Buddy,

933
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: mine lives there. Not been there, there's some there's some

934
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: fun places there. So I was reading there was a

935
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: tweet from a guy I don't even know. His name

936
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: is Jason Eighton is a contributing editor, tech columnist, uh

937
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: inc magazine or something. Sure. He said he's based on

938
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 1: a Lansing, Michigan. He said, I'm on a Delta flight

939
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: from g r R to MSP. I don't know what

940
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 1: airports those are in Minneapolis? Is MSP? Okay, Delta just

941
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: offered ten grand for people to give up their seats.

942
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 1: What thousand dollars. He then follows up and says, yes,

943
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: all six of us are still on the flight. I

944
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it. What you said g

945
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: a g RR airport that's Grand Rapids, Grand Rapids to Minneapolis,

946
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 1: and they offered ten thousand dollars for you to get off.

947
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: I'm getting off that plane. Getting off the plane, and

948
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: by the way, you could drive to Minneapolis. It might

949
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,360
Speaker 1: cost you with a rental car and everything is the

950
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: only deal if he has some sort of elaborate vacation

951
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: that has booked somewhere else, some resort e thing, and

952
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,319
Speaker 1: my guess is that Minneapolis isn't the final destination. That

953
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: instead he has a connecting flight that would get him there,

954
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: and his expenses that he's poured into that have are

955
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: over the ten grand to where it would be a

956
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: net loss for him even with the ten grand. I

957
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. I feel like I'm getting off that

958
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: plane and I'm taking my kids and my wife with

959
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: me and they're not. This is there's no debate here.

960
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: Well again, yeah, you just have to see what the number.

961
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: Even if I got to cancel the vacation, good news.

962
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: Where do you want to go next time you just

963
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: have to make sure that it's because you're gonna lose

964
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: the vacation. Correct, you've spent ten thousand on the vacation,

965
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:35,439
Speaker 1: it's a wash. Correct. But if you if you haven't,

966
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: or you have some sort of cancelation policy, or you

967
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: can hop in a car and make it to Minneapolis

968
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: in time, like say, your flights to from Minneapolis is

969
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: until the next day to wherever you're going. Yeah, how

970
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: kids are getting in the car. I'm gonna do about

971
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: eighty mile. We're gonna get there. It might cost us

972
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: an extra five bucks. I've never heard of such a

973
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: thing of ten thousands. I looked at that, and I

974
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: said that that is not true. That can't possibly be true.

975
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: Oh but it is. It appears. The other the only

976
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: the other issue that I have is I do have

977
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: a hard time like it's I don't know if it's

978
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 1: like the just the Woody Hayes thing, like I have

979
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: a hard time like spending much money in Michigan. Not

980
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: crazy about that. So we'll see, really see what I

981
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: can do that. That part never bothered me. Hey says,

982
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: go to Gatlinburg. What am I What's in? I don't

983
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: know what's in Gatlinburg. People like going there and up

984
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: in the mountain. What am I doing hiking? And we're

985
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm not a hiker. I'm not I'm not that kind

986
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: of explorer. All right, let me let's see where I

987
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,760
Speaker 1: don't want to I like pigeons. It looks pretty, Yeah,

988
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: it looks beautiful. I have no interest in like going

989
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: on walks or hikes. There's gotta be stuff with the kids.

990
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 1: There's gotta be some water parks, that type of stuff.

991
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's the minimum. Oh, yeah, they do.

992
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: They have some of that. Madison. Our board up SOS

993
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 1: Gatlinburg is great for drinking, perfect Madison. I've got little children,

994
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: for gosh sakes. You can't have boots. You can thrive.

995
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: There's a hot tub too, Yeah, I mean, we can't

996
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: put little kids in a hot tub, Madison. Yeah, but

997
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 1: you gotta like a hundred anything over like well, they're

998
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: old enough now where they can be get it. But

999
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: did you know that, like little little kids, you can't

1000
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: put them in anything over like a hundred degrees or

1001
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: a certain amount of time, like their hearts can't get

1002
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: in the water. Yeah. Not great, not great, not not

1003
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 1: the Father of the Year fright here. Well, I think

1004
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: it's like when they're really little, like when they're two. Okay, good,

1005
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: that was before me. They got a skylift park in Gatlinburg,

1006
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 1: all right, looks like they got some stuff. I mean,

1007
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: I've heard it's a good time down there, especially in Tennessee.

1008
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: Like I think it's Pigeon Forge. I don't know anything about.

1009
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: A buddy goes down there on vacation and he's probably listening.

1010
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: You'll text me here momentarily. They take a family trip

1011
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,959
Speaker 1: every year, or go stay in the mountains and yeah,

1012
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: put me on a beach, give me yeah. And the

1013
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: closest one of those is what like outer Banks? Is

1014
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: that the closest one you can get to other than

1015
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: like the Late Great Lakes beaches is like outer Banks

1016
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: or like Virginia's. Are you sure is that closer? Boy?

1017
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: I can't. I don't. It might be the same. I

1018
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: know any time that I have buddied people who are

1019
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: like friends of mine are from Philly and they're like, oh, yeah,

1020
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: we go down to the shore and I'm like, oh,

1021
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: like yo, yeah, Jersey Shore, Tommy with the peat with

1022
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: the cheese rolls and all that, Like that's what you're

1023
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: talking about they're like they get it's not that you

1024
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: sure sure, it's not. I think the whole states that

1025
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: it feels like the whole states that I don't know.

1026
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: You tell me, Bob, no, I look, it does feel

1027
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: like it's The Carolina Beaches are the closest best, but

1028
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: I don't know how best they are, a lot of

1029
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: people here go to South Carolina. I know that a

1030
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: lot of people drive to like Hilton Head that area.

1031
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: I don't understand the whole driving thing either. When you

1032
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:05,479
Speaker 1: can hop, well you can't. Right, you're right. This time

1033
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: you could fly to Myrtle Beach for dollars. It would

1034
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: be more to check them. I haven't paid less than

1035
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: eight hundred dollars for a flight and as long as

1036
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: I can remember, so that's unbelievable. That's so from January

1037
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: we we flew. We took my in laws because I

1038
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 1: opened up their window price down to Fort Myers in

1039
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: January for the four of us to fly down. Now,

1040
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: my wife and I flew back like six days later.

1041
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: Um total cost for four flights down and two flights back.

1042
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: My wife got it for two. I mean that's you know.

1043
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: In February, can't even get mad if your flights canceled

1044
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: at that rate. So that's what That's what I was like. Whatever,

1045
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: even even in Easter weekend when we went down there,

1046
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:52,759
Speaker 1: you know, as long as you booked it far enough

1047
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: and booked it far enough in advance, I think it

1048
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: was I think it was a hundred bucks round trip

1049
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 1: for each of us, all right, But like I don't

1050
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: have to travel with a lot because we have a

1051
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: washer and dryer, and like it's ninety degrees every day,

1052
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: I'm in a bathing suit or I'm in a polo

1053
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 1: at night going to dinner. It's a uniform. Yeah, that's

1054
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: a uniform. Polo for golf in the morning, bathing suit

1055
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:20,439
Speaker 1: in the afternoon, polo at night. All right, that's where

1056
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: we're at. I thought about even like tying into like

1057
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 1: the hall. I mean, we obviously live that we're lucky

1058
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: to live near the Hall of Fame. I thought, well,

1059
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: maybe go to like Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket or something

1060
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: like that, and go to Springfield to it at the

1061
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: Basketball Hall of Fame. But then I look at, like

1062
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: how far that is. It's forever, it is, but it's

1063
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: it's worth it. Like in Springfield, Springfield is not awful

1064
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: to get to. And it's really pretty in that area.

1065
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: There some seedy areas once you get into Springfield that

1066
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: that are a little a little different. But um, you

1067
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: know that's a fun that that that I recommend that

1068
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: my family thirty eight hours, thirty minutes. It's not awf

1069
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 1: to you, like and you would go through like I

1070
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: am not driving through Pennsylvania, so I would go north.

1071
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: Actually could do Anagra Falls to go there. Everybody's got passports.

1072
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: Stay on the Canadian side. Is that the deal? You

1073
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: have to stay in the Canadians. You go to Niagara Falls,

1074
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: you do that, then you continue on your path and

1075
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: then you're in You're in Springfield. And then if you

1076
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: can go to like Martha Martha's Vineyard that area Nantucket,

1077
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: then that's another family as a house up on the cape.

1078
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: How Marry Kennedy of you, I don't know if I've

1079
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: been there once. I was at I had a buddy

1080
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: of mine. His his dad was I want to say

1081
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: it was he was Freddie and Fannie Mae, Freddie Mack

1082
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: whatever that and um, he had a they had a

1083
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 1: place in the Hampton's and his bachelor party went to

1084
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: a Yankees game and then we took cars out to

1085
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: the Hampton's for two days eight at the palm. All

1086
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 1: of this the quintessential Hampton's experience, and uh, the house

1087
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: was nice. And I remember like talking to my wife,

1088
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: She's like, oh my god, the Hampsons was amazing, and

1089
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, honestly, it was a lot like the east

1090
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 1: side of Cleveland, Like it was just a lot of woods.

1091
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: It's a lot of woods. It was. It's really the

1092
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: proximity to Manhattan that makes it special. Like the beaches

1093
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: aren't great, um, you know, like it's it's just the

1094
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: concentration of wealth, like in terms of like it's not

1095
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: like you're going it's not like going to the beaches

1096
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: in Florida or something like that. It's the Atlantic Ocean.

1097
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: It's cold. You're you're that far, you're that far north. Yeah. Yeah,

1098
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: I remember when we were one year. We've been to

1099
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 1: Maine a few times and I remember going up the

1100
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: first time and it was like eighty five degrees and

1101
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I just want to jump in the ocean.

1102
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: Ran into the ocean and I was like hell no,

1103
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: it ran right back out. I went to the heated pool.

1104
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: I don't need any more of that ridiculous cold Yeah,

1105
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: you can, you know you can, cold man, it's jaws.

1106
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: It's not great. No, it's lobster time. Man, you're not

1107
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: doing it. Indeed, alright, higher lower presented by the Ohio

1108
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: Lottery um and more so, just going through this ESPN

1109
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: dot Com NFL roster rankings for all thirty two teams,

1110
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: for strengths, weaknesses, X factors for every starting lineup, this

1111
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: is a pretty comprehensive deal. But all right, uh, do

1112
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: you have the music going? Madis she does? We're good,

1113
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: We're good, alright, traveler music is up beautiful. I can't

1114
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: hear it on my side. It's the wiring, it's the board.

1115
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: I wanted number one. The Buffalo Bills were the number

1116
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: one roster. I feel like you could be there based

1117
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: on they have acquired. And I think we, you know,

1118
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: when we were they got done this offseason. I think

1119
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,600
Speaker 1: when we were, you know, doing our own power rankings

1120
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: of this, they were an appropriate one. I think if

1121
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: you wanted to keep it, if you want to go Chiefs,

1122
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: if you wanted to go Rams, if you you know,

1123
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: there's a handful of teams, you know, Bengals, frankly deserve.

1124
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: If we had Jeff Hopson on yesterday, we're talking about

1125
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: everything that they did. They addressed everything, they secondary addressed,

1126
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: offensive line addressed, and they were in the Super Bowl

1127
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: last year. So but I don't have a problem with Buffalo.

1128
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: I think that's it feels like they're the they're the pick.

1129
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: Madison hit it. Tampa Bay was number two. I don't

1130
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: know about this. Yeah, I don't either. I I don't.

1131
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: I would not have them number two on this list. Um,

1132
01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:35,840
Speaker 1: you know, obviously there's a lot to like, you know,

1133
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 1: you know, obviously Brady Back it's enormous. At some point

1134
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: it has to stop for him. At some point he's

1135
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: forty five, Like, at some point he can't be great still, Um,

1136
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,520
Speaker 1: you know, I guess it will happen. Whenever it happens.

1137
01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 1: Maybe this is the year. Um there. They have a

1138
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: really nice roster. But I would not have them number

1139
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: two on this list. Part of my concern is they've

1140
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: got God went on here is God wasn't gonna ready

1141
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: at the start of the year. Yeah, I's noticing, so

1142
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 1: what And it's important to remember that the way that

1143
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 1: they do this is by their ratings of players. So

1144
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: it's this isn't subjective in that sense. It's subjective in

1145
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: the sense is that they've set the parameters, but it's

1146
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: not subjective in that they're just putting, plugging in the

1147
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: numbers for the value of players and then that's it. Yeah.

1148
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus grades of ninety plus categories as elite

1149
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: eighty nine are high good high quality check in his

1150
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: average sixty nine are lower considered below average. I think

1151
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: that's high for the Bucks. I mean the problem is

1152
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: is like, so they have the Chargers third. This is

1153
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: the problem with There's a lot of love for them,

1154
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: there is. Here's the deal with the Chargers. It doesn't

1155
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: take into effect. Here's the here's the only issue. Here's

1156
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,919
Speaker 1: the issue with the PFF stuff. It doesn't take into

1157
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: effect intangibles, coaching, Yeah, it doesn't. All of that's thrown

1158
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: to the wayside. It's is it's a numerical look at

1159
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: what a layers value is and by that I can

1160
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 1: understand how the Chargers are third on a list. It

1161
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: makes sense. I mean they are pretty damn loaded. I

1162
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: mean they added Khalil mac to Joey Bosa. That's formidable. Um,

1163
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: they're really good on the offensive side of the ball.

1164
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 1: With with Herbert, they got two great receivers. They're pretty

1165
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: loaded up. It's interesting to meet the other big splash

1166
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: they made a free agency was going to get J. C. Jackson,

1167
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: Remember the corner from New England. They were like, oh

1168
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: my god, he's the best corner bubble. He grades out

1169
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: seventy eight point nine. According to this, he's average, which

1170
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: again lends credibility toward average. Players get paid great in

1171
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: free agency. Below average players get paid average to above average.

1172
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, the Chargers, I put the Charges ahead of

1173
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay in terms of roster, a complete roster, but

1174
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 1: again there's a lot of unpacked there. I would hit

1175
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 1: both those teams lower. And again this is there. This

1176
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 1: is a objective. It's it's their process that leads to this.

1177
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: But it doesn't take in intangibles. It doesn't take it

1178
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 1: in coaching, it doesn't take in, you know, the incredible

1179
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: sway that a quarterback, a season quarterback can have. So

1180
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: I think the Charges are just a little bit too

1181
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: high on this next see it. All the Rams were four,

1182
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: the Packers were number five, and from a roster standpoint,

1183
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 1: with all the wide receivers, you've lost simply that alone.

1184
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: I mean they're starting receivers in terms of proven NFL

1185
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: or Alan Lazard and Randall Cobb. Now, they drafted Christian Watson,

1186
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 1: who we all loved at a North Dakota State and

1187
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: he had a great rating at North Dakota State. But

1188
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: again he's a rookie, so we you just you have

1189
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: no idea. Um. They've got a decent offensive line, they've

1190
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: got a superior quarterback, they've got a really good ground game.

1191
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: But they have sunk a ton of resources into their defense.

1192
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 1: This is where you see their high numbers. You see

1193
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: Davante Ray Campbell at an eighty five, Preston Smith, Shawn

1194
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: Gary in the eighties, DeVante Wyatt although he's a drafted guy,

1195
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: but in the middle of the defensive line. JR. Alexander

1196
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: is a ninety rated player at corner Um. So in

1197
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: terms of their ninety rated players, they don't even have

1198
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: Rodgers as a ninety. They have back tr and JR.

1199
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: Alexander is the two nineties or Shawn Gary's eighty nine

1200
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: point nine and Rodgers eighty nine point four on that list.

1201
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: Next lower, uh, the Browns come in at number six. Now,

1202
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 1: they do have Deshaun Watson in a quarterback and his

1203
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: rating is ninety two point five, and I'm sure that's

1204
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: helping the overall roster. But um, how was Nick Chubb seven?

1205
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 1: I'm glad we're on the same page there. Marie Cooper

1206
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 1: is only a seventy three. I think of Marie Cooper

1207
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: is a little bit better than average. Well, I know

1208
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 1: that they don't. They're not crazy on Cooper. I remember

1209
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: that in years past. Um, Nick chubbing at eighty one

1210
01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: point seven is pretty strange for me, the idea that

1211
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: he would be rated below both isn't he rated below

1212
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 1: both of the Packers? Guys, Yeah, he's below both of them,

1213
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: So I don't buy that. Um, they love our offensive

1214
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: line obviously, but Tonio ninety three point six, Teler eighty

1215
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 1: four point nine, Conklin seventy eight point eight, Jed sixty six.

1216
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: Jed needs a bounce back, uh in a big way. Um.

1217
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: On the defensive side, Miles is a ninety two. Just

1218
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 1: think about that. But Tonio is ninety three point six

1219
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: and their ratings, Miles is ninety two and Deshaun is

1220
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:31,080
Speaker 1: ninety two point five. Good grief, Um, j ok At

1221
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:34,919
Speaker 1: a seventy six point nine. Denzel there as well, uh, yeah,

1222
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: we're I mean we're really good. If you have the

1223
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: roster that you are intending to have, you know, in

1224
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,400
Speaker 1: full healthy and in full everybody eligible, you go win

1225
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. I don't get some of these low numbers.

1226
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 1: I guess Newsome sixty eight, John Johnson sixty eight. I

1227
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: don't know. Yeah, I don't understand that. Nick chubbwin. That

1228
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: sounds pretty pretty wild. Uh. Next lowermana playing the Burst

1229
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: Satta interview tomorrow. I thought that was the case. Is

1230
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: I was looking at the clock. Yeah, exactly. The Eagles

1231
01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: come in at number seven. Okay, Um, well here's so

1232
01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: here's your biggest problem. This speaks exactly to what I'm

1233
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 1: talking about. You're not taking in intangibles. You're not taking

1234
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 1: into account the importance of the quarterback position. You're weighing

1235
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 1: the quarterback position just like you weigh everything else. And

1236
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 1: you can't do that here. There's no scenario where this

1237
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 1: is the seventh best team in football. None, none, There's

1238
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: just none. Um. Now, they've got some really good players

1239
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: on this team. Lane Johnson really good. A J. Brown

1240
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 1: really really good, Dallas Goddard really really good. Defensively, Nikobe

1241
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: Dean out of Georgia. He's gonna be really good. He's

1242
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: very very good. Jordan Davis out of Georgia, He's gonna

1243
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: be very very good. So they drafted two big guys,

1244
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: Darius Slays back at corner. They've got a lot of talent,

1245
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: but you have to factor in the quarterback and the

1246
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 1: importance of the position. You have to Yeah, they have

1247
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 1: the Bengals at number eight. From a roster standpoint, if

1248
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: you're looking just if you want to compare rosters, I mean,

1249
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: the Bengals are better than the Packers. The only the

1250
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: only question that the Bengals have is at corner. That's

1251
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: really it. And a Woozier was good, uh, Cam Taylor

1252
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 1: britt Is the draft pick. Mike Hilton was pretty good.

1253
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 1: That's it. Everything else they're good. They're good in the

1254
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: middle of the interior. They're good at edge with Hendrickson

1255
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 1: and Hubbert. They're good at safety with Bates and Bell.

1256
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 1: They drafted Dax Hill. They got much better on the

1257
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 1: offensive line with Caris, cap and Collins all on the

1258
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 1: right side. That completely sorts out the right side of

1259
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 1: the offensive line. The left side or guys they drafted

1260
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 1: high Jackson Carmen, who was a tackle and Ohio kid

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Speaker 1: who went to Clemson. Jonah Williams is the first round

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Speaker 1: pick out of Alabama. So that part they've all spent on.

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01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 1: They are elite at quarterback, running back, and receiver. Elite

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Speaker 1: you gonna, I mean, you can put that up against anybody.

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Speaker 1: Burrow Mix and Chase Higgins Boyd put that up against anybody.

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Speaker 1: They had Bates with the sixties seven rating. Yeah, where

1267
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Speaker 1: did we have? Didn't they do that with our guys though? Two?

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Speaker 1: That our guys a little way. Yeah, they had Johnny

1269
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: at seven. Yeah, it's a little low. You're loving the landscape,

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Speaker 1: I can tell I love it so convenient. The Chiefs

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01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:17,760
Speaker 1: were number nine. They gave my homes an eighty. Well,

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01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:19,760
Speaker 1: he you know, by his standard, he didn't have a

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01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 1: great year last year. You remember halfway through the year

1274
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:24,719
Speaker 1: he was really pressing. He would not take the easy stuff.

1275
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 1: He kept trying to throw everything forty five yards downfield. Um,

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01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,080
Speaker 1: I have a feeling he bounces back in a in

1277
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 1: a big, big way. They have a brand new receiving corps.

1278
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 1: Valdis Scantling is there from Green Bay. Jujus there from Pittsburgh.

1279
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 1: They drafted Skymore who's honestly probably as good a fit

1280
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 1: as there is. Like they have Travis Kelsey and eight five.

1281
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: He certainly plays better uh than that. Um, they've got

1282
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: some real questions on the defensive side of the ball.

1283
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not Chris Jones is elite, But other

1284
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: than that, it's draft picks. They've lost a lot of

1285
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 1: guys on that side of the ball. H Just rounding

1286
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 1: out the a f C. They got Miami in Yeah,

1287
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:05,719
Speaker 1: that's awful. The Ravens number twelve, So we'll talk about

1288
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 1: the Ravens next. Yeah, they get him back there better

1289
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 1: than this. Yeah, I would agree with that. Where did

1290
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 1: they have the puker? They got Denver fourteen? I don't

1291
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: know about that either, Indie fifteen. Those teams seem better

1292
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 1: than that to me. Cowboys the Commanders seventeen, come on, Yeah,

1293
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 1: I'm not buying that. I mean, they were right up there,

1294
01:09:26,120 --> 01:09:29,960
Speaker 1: they were right on the bottom stuff. Houston was the worst,

1295
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: Atlanta in Chicago rounding out, Yeah, I think the biggest

1296
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 1: thing they do here is they don't factor in just

1297
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 1: like the importance of the quarterback position. Steelers are twenty two. Yeah,

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01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 1: that seems about right. Yeah, doesn't that seem right, I

1299
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: would think, so, yeah, yeah, they got they got a

1300
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: lot of questions. They certainly have a lot of questions.

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01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: I actually I don't think the bank. I don't think

1302
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: the Ravens have many. I mean it's just you know,

1303
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 1: healthy Lamar. If they're healthy and he's what he's been,

1304
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 1: I think there's a pretty good chance that they're pretty

1305
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:03,679
Speaker 1: special going into it. Clifton Brown will join us coming

1306
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 1: up next, speaking of the Ravens, recap their off season,

1307
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 1: their mini camp. What did it all look like? That's

1308
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 1: coming up next. Ye listen to Clean Browns Daily on

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Speaker 1: learn more. We continue our tour around the a f

1314
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 1: C north of the conclusions of mini camp and heading

1315
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 1: into the true off season. Before they started camp in Baltimore,

1316
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 1: Clifton Brown joins his staff writer at the Baltimore Ravens. Clifton,

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01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:01,680
Speaker 1: thank you so much for taking the time. I just

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01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 1: wanted to start because you know, one of the things

1319
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:05,840
Speaker 1: that you know, it's interesting with us here we deal

1320
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:07,640
Speaker 1: with this all the time in terms of what we

1321
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 1: see in the building and then the reality that we

1322
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 1: see throughout the media around the country. And I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you have similar things and I'm sure that you dealt

1324
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 1: with this with Lamar Jackson. Um, what what is the

1325
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 1: your set? What is in terms of the building? In

1326
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 1: terms of Lamar? The way all of this offseason has

1327
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 1: played out, it feels like constantly in the news, But

1328
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's justified. Where do where do

1329
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 1: you kind of sit on the way that this has

1330
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 1: been kind of portrayed over the course of this offseason. Well,

1331
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:34,719
Speaker 1: I mean the way it's been betrayed is that, uh,

1332
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 1: it's like a daily drama almost with Mar and is

1333
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,760
Speaker 1: he going to be bad? Is he going to sign

1334
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 1: a contract? I think the reality is is that Lamar

1335
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 1: wants to be with the Ravens the rest of his career.

1336
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: The Ravens one in as their franchise quarterback. And now

1337
01:11:54,040 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 1: there's a question of signing a deal, how big it's

1338
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:00,160
Speaker 1: gonna be and when is when's it going to get done?

1339
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:04,759
Speaker 1: So sure, until that he signed a new deal, Um,

1340
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 1: it's going to remain the topic in the news. But

1341
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a distraction for him. I don't

1342
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: think there's a scenario where he's not the Ravens quarterback

1343
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: long term. So it's just a question though to me,

1344
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 1: when he signed the contract, how much money it's for. Uh,

1345
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 1: and then once that happens, I think, you know, he'll

1346
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 1: move on as the franchise guy. For you to come, man,

1347
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,200
Speaker 1: I'm I'm looking at this thing and I we we

1348
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 1: were just looking at some of the p F roster

1349
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: rankings and I actually think they have Baltimore a little

1350
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 1: too low. So much of what happened last year, I think,

1351
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:38,640
Speaker 1: you know, so much of it's tied to injury. Just decimated.

1352
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 1: We dealt with that here too, Just decimated by injuries. Uh.

1353
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 1: You guys were as well over there, um in terms

1354
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 1: of the health of the roster at large. And then

1355
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 1: we'll get into some of the individual guys who could

1356
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 1: burst this year. Um, where what does that look like?

1357
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 1: What does that look like in minicamp? Yeah, well, I

1358
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 1: mean the rave was had a ton of injuries, so

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Speaker 1: you know, for the positives, you know, Marl and the

1360
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,800
Speaker 1: Humphreys already back he participated in everything that's off season.

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01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 1: He's a guy didn't finish the season, so he looks

1362
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:08,520
Speaker 1: good to go now. Uh. They're encouraged by Ronnie Stanley's

1363
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,680
Speaker 1: prod progress over left tackle. They're hoping it will be

1364
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 1: ready week one. UM j K Dobbins because that wards

1365
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 1: the top two running back didn't participate in mandatory mini camps.

1366
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:23,040
Speaker 1: But they're still hopeful. Don't be ready week one, but

1367
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 1: we'll just have to wait to see. Along with their

1368
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 1: starting corner pro Bowler Markets theaters tie his vows and

1369
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: there meeting sack Sacker from last year towards Achilles start

1370
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 1: to see if they'll be ready week one. Uh, David

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01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 1: a job of the second round pick. He's probably not

1372
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 1: gonna be ready week one, but they hope to get

1373
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 1: them back some time in the season. So the Ravens

1374
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 1: still have a lot of key guys who you know,

1375
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:49,519
Speaker 1: may or may not be ready to start a camp,

1376
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 1: but who are making progress and who they hope will

1377
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 1: be ready week one. That's really what they're focusing on,

1378
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:57,599
Speaker 1: trying to get his mane these guys back week one

1379
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 1: is possible and optimistic that they will be in in

1380
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 1: all of the cases, that you mentioned. Yeah, I think so. Um,

1381
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:09,760
Speaker 1: but you know, again, they're not guaranteeing anything. Um. You know,

1382
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:13,600
Speaker 1: if if guys aren't ready week one, then you know,

1383
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:15,719
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna you know, take a risk

1384
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 1: and force them, you know, into action. And these are

1385
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 1: serious injury talking about season and the injuries, knee injuries

1386
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 1: with Marcus Theaters, J K. Dobbins, Gus Edwards, Ties Bowers, er,

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01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 1: erupted achilles. You know, these are injuries that take a

1388
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 1: long time to come back from. So you know, each

1389
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 1: case is different. But yeah, I don't think there's been

1390
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 1: any setbacks for anybody. And I think all those guys

1391
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 1: you that I just mentioned will be playing a majority

1392
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 1: of next season. It's just a question of with each guy,

1393
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 1: will they be ready from the opening bell or when

1394
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:51,920
Speaker 1: they start the season maybe not playing and then work

1395
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,639
Speaker 1: their way back in at some point. Clifton, I gonna

1396
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: tell you from from our perspective as doing Cleveland Brown

1397
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 1: Salley in Borea, I hate the Ravens draft, but if

1398
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 1: I were a Ravens fan, I would love their draft.

1399
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:03,679
Speaker 1: And then typically is the way that this thing goes.

1400
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 1: Uh lender Bomb, I saw him a lot at Iowa.

1401
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 1: He's sensational and Kyle Hamilton's from Notre Dame is is

1402
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 1: that as well? In a really dynamic play mentor you

1403
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 1: mentioned a jabo who's probably gonna be a red shirt

1404
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,640
Speaker 1: with a big injury, but he was really special at Michigan.

1405
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:19,320
Speaker 1: You got to see You've got to see a lot

1406
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 1: of linder Bomb in Hamilton's. What impressions have they made?

1407
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 1: Early good ones? Uh, linder Bomb you know, great Magnian,

1408
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 1: great movement, you know, the biggest knock outing with his size,

1409
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 1: the smallest center in the draft, but really quick, really smart,

1410
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 1: really physical. He looks like he looked like a guy

1411
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 1: who had been the starting center for a couple of

1412
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Speaker 1: years than me. Now you know, more be told when

1413
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 1: once the pads come on. But he's very decisive, doesn't

1414
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 1: look confused at all. Same with Hamilton's. I mean, you

1415
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 1: know a couple of times he made some mistakes. But

1416
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:56,759
Speaker 1: Hamilton's is so athletic. You all you see the size

1417
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:58,600
Speaker 1: that he has as far as its height, you know,

1418
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 1: a six fourth safety that's hands out and he can

1419
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:04,720
Speaker 1: move well. But he's really athletic, and you know, the

1420
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 1: Ravens love the way he hits He's physical. So Hamilton's

1421
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 1: the safety can move all over the field. Uh, move

1422
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 1: him around. He I think the defense is going to

1423
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 1: be more multiple this year. When you have a guy

1424
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 1: like him and then Marcus Williams, the other safety who

1425
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 1: they got into the agency, they can really show a

1426
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,439
Speaker 1: lot of different looks. So yeah, they think they feel

1427
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:29,640
Speaker 1: like they got the best center the draft in Linderbaum,

1428
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,400
Speaker 1: and the best safety and is drafted in Hamilton's. And

1429
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 1: they definitely didn't think Hamilton' was gonna be there at

1430
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 1: number four team. When he was, they grabbed him really quickly. Bo. Yeah,

1431
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 1: and let's stay on the defense for a second with that. Also,

1432
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:43,639
Speaker 1: because the guy I loved in the draft coming out

1433
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 1: of the l s us Patrick Queen. But it seems

1434
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 1: like a little bit of a slow start to his career,

1435
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 1: although there has been some big time flashes for him

1436
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:54,000
Speaker 1: in games. Um will will what's his role in What

1437
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 1: are the expectations for him going into year three? Well,

1438
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 1: when he moved from the strong on side the weeks

1439
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 1: side linebacker Nonybody through last year and they made Josh

1440
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:06,599
Speaker 1: Bonds and starting next to him, Queen's play really wick

1441
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 1: picked up. He's extremely fast, Uh, gets the ball really quickly.

1442
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 1: Had his tackling hasn't been quite as sure as they

1443
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 1: wanted to be, and he hasn't been as good and

1444
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,639
Speaker 1: pass covers as they wanted to be. A guy sometimes

1445
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,679
Speaker 1: you can fool him, you know, reacts too quickly, goes

1446
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:27,080
Speaker 1: one way and they get him out of positions as

1447
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:29,959
Speaker 1: far as in the passing game. But he's making strides

1448
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 1: in past covers. Uh, He's making strides as far as

1449
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 1: being more of a short tackler, and they feel still

1450
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 1: feel like Queens he's got the ability to be a

1451
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl type linebackers. There's a question of being more

1452
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 1: consistent and this is a big year for him. Um,

1453
01:17:46,240 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 1: Queen is a good player. I think he has the

1454
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 1: tools and he definitely has a desire to be a

1455
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,920
Speaker 1: great player. I think this year will tell a lot

1456
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 1: about whether he's on the pass to being you know,

1457
01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:01,000
Speaker 1: a great player. But certainly he has a talent to

1458
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:03,640
Speaker 1: do that, and I think playing in this defense is

1459
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:05,840
Speaker 1: going to help him where he's going to be more

1460
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 1: of a playmaker this year than he has been so

1461
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 1: far in the NFL. Talking to Clifton Brown, staff writer

1462
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 1: at the Baltimore Ravens, let's go to the offensive side.

1463
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 1: The loss of Hollywood Brown, um, obviously a big one,

1464
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 1: but I mean, I like what they got back for it.

1465
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 1: But I also like Rashod Bateman from his time at Minnesota,

1466
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:24,679
Speaker 1: and I understand he's a very very different player. Um,

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Speaker 1: but is there a sense over there that he can

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01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 1: really blossom now going into year two? Well, he was

1469
01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 1: the first round pick and they did that because they

1470
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 1: feel he's a He's a number one receiver. Now, you know,

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01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:37,200
Speaker 1: this is a year they're gonna need him to step

1472
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 1: up and play healthy and be healthy. And I think

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01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 1: they're also gonna need the other receivers around and who

1474
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 1: are also young, whether it be Devin dubern a, James

1475
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 1: per Se, uh, Twland Wallace. They need those guys to

1476
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 1: step up as well. So it is a question, Anna

1477
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 1: Mark Keith is gone, a thousand yard guy who was

1478
01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 1: their best deep receiver, how they're gonna pick up the slack? Uh.

1479
01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 1: I think those young guys, you know, they definitely feel

1480
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 1: like they're ready. Um, it's gonna be interesting to see

1481
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,600
Speaker 1: how they respond now that Marquis is gone. And I

1482
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 1: also think that you know, the Ravens, they drafted two

1483
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 1: tight ends and already have all pro tight end and

1484
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 1: Mark Andrews. You know, I think the tight ends decision

1485
01:19:18,520 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 1: is going to be a big part of their offense.

1486
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:23,679
Speaker 1: So you know, even it doesn't really matter who catches

1487
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:28,080
Speaker 1: the football as long as the Ravens panting offense is productive.

1488
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 1: And I think that some of those balls that Marquis

1489
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:33,759
Speaker 1: used to be targeted for are gonna go to the

1490
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 1: other wide receivers, but I think some of those balls

1491
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 1: are also gonna go to tight ends. I think you're

1492
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:40,560
Speaker 1: gonna see a lot of multiple tight end sets with

1493
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:43,800
Speaker 1: from the Ravens and that that's actually an easiert throw

1494
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 1: fro Lamar. He's got great chemistry with Andrews. If he

1495
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 1: can develop that type of chemistry with the two young

1496
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 1: tight ends that they drafted, then to me, that's gonna

1497
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 1: make their offense, you know, more consistent clisson if everything,

1498
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 1: if everybody's healthy and they get to where they need

1499
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 1: to be in the running backs get around healthy. Um,

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01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 1: what what evolution do you anticipate seeing from from the

1501
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:07,479
Speaker 1: Ravens offensively, And it's something you know, we're we're dealing

1502
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 1: with Hill with here, with the acquisition of them, of

1503
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 1: of Deshaun Watson, and that is you've got to keep pace.

1504
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 1: You've gotta be able to score when everybody knows that

1505
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 1: you're trying to throw, You've gotta be able to throw.

1506
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 1: You gotta be able to move the ball. Um, what

1507
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 1: are the Ravens gonna do to make sure that they

1508
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 1: can answer that bell? With Kansas City and Buffalo and

1509
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 1: the Chargers and those type of teams that score the

1510
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 1: way that those teams score, Well, you've definitely gonna be

1511
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:29,679
Speaker 1: able to score. I agree with that, but I think

1512
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 1: you can also help yourself by keeping those offensives off

1513
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 1: the field. And you know, the Ravens went fourteen and

1514
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 1: two in two thousand nineteen and then made the playoffs again.

1515
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:44,680
Speaker 1: They were the best running team in NFL. And I

1516
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 1: think last year they had so many struggles on their

1517
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 1: offensive line was Stanley only playing one game that they

1518
01:20:51,439 --> 01:20:55,160
Speaker 1: couldn't get back to that. But I think by drafting Linderbaum,

1519
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 1: Stanley coming back, signing Morgan Moses, who probably be the

1520
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:03,479
Speaker 1: starting right tackles Mere Agacy, the Ravens, I think they're

1521
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 1: gonna get back to what they were in nineteen and twenty,

1522
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 1: where they ran the football really well. You've got Lamar,

1523
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 1: who's the duel threat. And then when you start trying

1524
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 1: to cheat too much towards the line of scrimmage and

1525
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 1: paying too much attention to their running game, they can

1526
01:21:19,479 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 1: hurt you with the panting game as well, and also

1527
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 1: can control the football and keep some of those high

1528
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 1: powered offenses off the field. So they're gonna play a

1529
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 1: different style than the Chiefs than the Bills. I think

1530
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 1: as long as Great Roman's offensive coordinator and as long

1531
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 1: as Lamars a quarterback, the Ravens are gonna kind of

1532
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:42,679
Speaker 1: do their own things. Uh, maybe going against the grain

1533
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:45,080
Speaker 1: a little bit about what you see around most of

1534
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,679
Speaker 1: the NFL. But you know, they were a high scoring

1535
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 1: team in twenty nineteen and twenty and they were a

1536
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 1: teamed could control the football. I think that's what they're

1537
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 1: trying to try and get back to Clifton. How would you,

1538
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:58,519
Speaker 1: um you think about the a f C. North and

1539
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 1: and the Ravens spot and just looking at the roster

1540
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 1: and obviously the DeShawn things got to get sorted out here.

1541
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:06,479
Speaker 1: And but let's let's say, for example, that that when

1542
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 1: he's there in part of the mix, where where do

1543
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 1: you kind of slot these four teams in the a

1544
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 1: f C North heading end of the season. Well, I

1545
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a really tough division again. I mean,

1546
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 1: I don't see how you can't say the Bengals on

1547
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:19,759
Speaker 1: the team to beat that as send an FC champ.

1548
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 1: They've got a young, explosive roster, so they're obviously in

1549
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 1: the mix. I think the Ravens definitely in the mix.

1550
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:31,600
Speaker 1: They were eight and three last year before Lamar, you know,

1551
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 1: got hurt MR last four or five games and lost

1552
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:36,800
Speaker 1: their last six games in a row. So I think

1553
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:39,599
Speaker 1: the Ravens in the mix. You mentioned de Sean in Cleveland.

1554
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:42,800
Speaker 1: We knew how talented their roster is. We don't know

1555
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen with the Seawan yet. You know, if

1556
01:22:45,240 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 1: he's not there, it definitely hurts them to me. But

1557
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 1: to me, you can't write them off. And then, you know,

1558
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 1: it seems like people always going to right off the Steelers.

1559
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 1: You know, Town has never had to lose the seas

1560
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 1: in fifteen years. This is a different era with Ben Roethlisberger.

1561
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 1: But I can't see this Stealers just going away now

1562
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 1: as long as Mike tom is there. So yeah, I

1563
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 1: mean you could make a case for all four those teams,

1564
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 1: But if you actually where i'd slot them now, Yeah,

1565
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 1: I think the Bengals to the team to beat, but

1566
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 1: the Ravens and certainly cable of winning the division, then

1567
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:20,640
Speaker 1: I'd go with Cleveland, Pittsburgh and that order. But I

1568
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 1: think those teams we want to beat the heck out

1569
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 1: of each other. When they played something like they usually do,

1570
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:27,640
Speaker 1: they said, certainly does feel like that, doesn't. Thanks for

1571
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:29,800
Speaker 1: your perspective today, Clifton, and we appreciate it a lot.

1572
01:23:30,560 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me take care alright. That's Clifton Brown,

1573
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:35,760
Speaker 1: staff writer at the Baltimore Ravens, joining us on the

1574
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 1: hotline there. Yeah, you look at uh, there's a lot

1575
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 1: of fs with them because there's a lot of injury

1576
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 1: stuff that they gotta get sorted out. But if it's

1577
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 1: sorted out, it's a full teen guys on their i

1578
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 1: R at one point. You know, we talk a lot

1579
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:50,719
Speaker 1: about the injury bug biting us last year. It didn't

1580
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 1: bite anybody worse than the Baltimore Ravens. They were number

1581
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 1: one there were They were number one on the injury

1582
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 1: bug from the injury bug situation. And not only was

1583
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 1: injury bug, it was serious. It was season ending. I

1584
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 1: mean they had achilles and knees. I mean, they had

1585
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 1: all sorts of things happen to them. Look this for them,

1586
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 1: it's just gonna come down to Lamar as That's it.

1587
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 1: There's nothing else to it. Can they be explosive offensively

1588
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 1: the way they were in nineteen when he was sensational?

1589
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:25,599
Speaker 1: Can they move the ball consistently, especially when they're behind?

1590
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 1: Can they do that? They weren't behind much in nineteen,

1591
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:34,840
Speaker 1: you know. No. And from a defensive standpoint, where are

1592
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 1: they at? If they're healthy, they're frightening Kilis campbell a

1593
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 1: daf Ao daf A o a used to be Jason

1594
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 1: o A at a Penn State UH Patrick Queen can

1595
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 1: flat out fly, Humphrey Peters at corner Hamilton at a

1596
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 1: notre name at safety. If there if I mean, if

1597
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 1: they're healthy, they are a top five defense probably yeah,

1598
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:59,080
Speaker 1: I think so. And then you just need Lamar. You

1599
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:02,559
Speaker 1: need the offense to be top fifteen, and they're going

1600
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 1: to be right back to where they have been. All right.

1601
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:09,479
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson is in his UM. He has started uh

1602
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 1: fifty eight game. He's played in fifty eight games in

1603
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 1: the NFL, so he's going into his fifth season in

1604
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 1: the NFL guests the stats, Gibby, how old do you

1605
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 1: think he is? Lamar, Yeah, going into his fifth season.

1606
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:27,800
Speaker 1: Nailed it. A good job out of you. You you

1607
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 1: remember that, you remember the next level is next you.

1608
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:34,479
Speaker 1: You remember that he came in at one. So he

1609
01:25:34,640 --> 01:25:37,360
Speaker 1: is younger despite going into his fifth season Baker was.

1610
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 1: He's going into his fifth. They came in the same draft.

1611
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 1: But he's almost two years younger than Baker, and he's

1612
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 1: younger than Dashaun. I'm pretty sure too. Yeah, for sure.

1613
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:49,720
Speaker 1: He came in in a draft after a couple of

1614
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 1: drafts after so I mean he's he might be younger

1615
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 1: than Burrow at twenty five or close. They got to

1616
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 1: be similarly aged because Burrow was a five year guy

1617
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:01,720
Speaker 1: at you know, between Ohio State and l s U.

1618
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 1: Same age. Then, Okay, in two thousand nineteen when he

1619
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:11,160
Speaker 1: won the m v P, he threw forty yards thirty

1620
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:14,960
Speaker 1: six touchdowns nine interceptions, No, I'm sorry, thirty six touchdowns,

1621
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 1: six interceptions, thirty six to six six to one touchdown

1622
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 1: to interception. And then didn't they lose in the first

1623
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:23,080
Speaker 1: round of the playoffs to the titan I think they did. Yeah,

1624
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 1: I think they did. Yeah, that's the way that I

1625
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 1: remember that same year he ran for twelve hundred yards

1626
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 1: and seven touchdowns, So I mean he was he averaged

1627
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:36,559
Speaker 1: eighty yards of game on the ground in two thousand nineteen.

1628
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:38,680
Speaker 1: It's no wonder who was the unanimous m VP of

1629
01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 1: the league. It's stunning stuff. So much more to come.

1630
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:56,599
Speaker 1: You listen to Clean the Browns daily on esp in Cleveland, Cleveland,

1631
01:26:56,640 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 1: Brown Cleveland. If a car truck, the motorcycle accidents, your

1632
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:05,839
Speaker 1: injury called the injury lawyers that wanted hundred elk Ohio

1633
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1634
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 1: partner of your Cleveland Browns. Uh. So we'll check in

1635
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 1: with the Steelers tomorrow, see how the quarterbacks looked. Yeah,

1636
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 1: we'll hear from the Steelers tomorrow. John Greco will join

1637
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 1: Anthony Poise. Hell, you'll get we'll get to the Jacoby

1638
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:25,800
Speaker 1: Brissette interview. Probably an STVD mail beg for the kids

1639
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:33,000
Speaker 1: offer and away we go vacation. Well much deserved, much deserved. Um.

1640
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:36,280
Speaker 1: I do recommend if you're if you're just joining the

1641
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:38,599
Speaker 1: Charles Robinson interview that we did in the first hour,

1642
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:40,840
Speaker 1: well done. By you lift file. Thanks, But if you

1643
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 1: want to, if you want to kind of know like

1644
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 1: the facts of where all of this sits, the process

1645
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 1: of all of this, it'll answer a lot of the questions.

1646
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:49,640
Speaker 1: And again, like I said, anybody acting like they know

1647
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 1: what's going on in that thing is lyon. Nobody knows anything. Nothing,

1648
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 1: there's nothing that is coming out of it. It is airtight.

1649
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:59,640
Speaker 1: If Robinson says it's air tight, it's airtight. We've been

1650
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:02,840
Speaker 1: saying him saying it. That's enough corroboration in terms of

1651
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 1: how this thing could go. It's anyone's guest, new precedent

1652
01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:08,519
Speaker 1: across the board on all of that stuff. So uh

1653
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 1: that that was very good and uh and a good

1654
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:11,760
Speaker 1: job of that you give a getting him on. That

1655
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 1: was informative to say the least. We can't tell you

1656
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 1: also tomorrow and poor sal and then John Greco we'll

1657
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:18,519
Speaker 1: join us. So you have that's look forward to, which

1658
01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 1: is nice. On a Thursday edition. Enjoy your first Friday, kids,

1659
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 1: act accordingly if you can. The next level is coming

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Speaker 1: up next. Thanks for listening Clean Brown's fifty ESPN Cleveland

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