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Speaker 1: Bud Light recently came under fire for partnering with transgender

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Speaker 1: influencer Dylan mulvaney. The company lost billions in backlash with

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Speaker 1: you know, even country stars speaking out, people like Travis Tritt,

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Speaker 1: Kid Rock Bradley Gilbert did a concert recently where he

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Speaker 1: took bud Light to task. But you might ask yourself,

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Speaker 1: why would bud Light do this? Does anyone honestly believe

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Speaker 1: that Dylan Mulvaney, this transgender influencer, sits around and drinks

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Speaker 1: bud Light? Does anyone honestly believe that bud Light's customer

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Speaker 1: base likes someone like Dylan mulvaney. How does this happen

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Speaker 1: where a company like bud Light would choose someone to

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Speaker 1: middle finger. Well, talk to Will hild who's the executive

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Speaker 1: director of Consumers Research. He deals with this stuff on

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Speaker 1: a daily basis. Consumers Research also launched something called Woke

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Speaker 1: Alert where people can sign up and find out which

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Speaker 1: companies are engaging and this kind of woke left wing nonsense.

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Speaker 1: I've also previously launched television ads taking companies like American

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Speaker 1: Airlines in Coca Cola to task for their policies and

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Speaker 1: going woke. But we're going to talk to him about

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Speaker 1: this bud Light controversy. Also, when did companies start getting

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Speaker 1: so woke and why do they continue to ignore us

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Speaker 1: as a customer based conservatives? Stay tuned for Will hild Well,

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Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming on the show. It's the

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Speaker 1: first time. This is an important topic. Obviously, Anheuser Busch

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Speaker 1: has come under fire for partnering with a transgender influencer,

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Speaker 1: Dylan mulvany. The company's lost billions of dollars in the backlash.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think this one was different in terms

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Speaker 1: that doesn't always happen.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think there are a couple of factors that

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Speaker 2: played a key role. One, I think the egregiousness of

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Speaker 2: what they were doing. I mean, it's in soulid If

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Speaker 2: you just even watched the video of what Mulvainy did,

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Speaker 2: it was insulting to bud Light customers. Most people don't

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Speaker 2: want to be portrayed as bud Light drinkers, you know,

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Speaker 2: pretending to be a woman, sending in a bathtub, pretending

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Speaker 2: It's like the opposite of how they think of themselves

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Speaker 2: And so I think that that played a huge role,

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Speaker 2: just the egregiousness, how in your face it was what

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Speaker 2: it's a it's a very much a retail product, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is.

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Speaker 2: Something that people go and they buy at gas stations

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Speaker 2: not a little bit different than you know, you know,

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Speaker 2: of plans, you know, weeks or months out. So I

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Speaker 2: think that that played a role. And then sometimes there's

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Speaker 2: just a magic ingredient of why things go viral.

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Speaker 3: And you know, once the ball.

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Speaker 2: Gets rolling, it that it becomes a snowball, and I

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Speaker 1: I Mean I think a lot of people are wondering,

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Speaker 1: to this conclusion of yes, let's partner with Dylan mulvany

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Speaker 1: giving a middle finger to the customer base. So clearly

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Speaker 1: they had to have known that. So like, how would

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make a lot of sense.

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Speaker 2: It's a great question, and I think you know, the

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Speaker 2: just going out of your way to insult your customer base?

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Speaker 2: I think what you really have to do to understand

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Speaker 2: the corporation doesn't make decisions right. People within the company

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Speaker 2: for example, a lot of companies have adopted what they

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Speaker 2: These departments exist solely to soak up as much resources

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Speaker 3: They don't care about the company's customers.

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Speaker 2: In fact, they often resent and dislike them, and they

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Speaker 3: And so that's part of it.

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Speaker 2: And nothing's been confirmed, but there are rumors swirling on

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Speaker 2: I think the entire incident speaks to the powers that

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Speaker 2: and that is a lot of times coming from above.

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Speaker 3: And they go to these companies and they.

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Speaker 2: Push you know, uh, racial quotas, far left social issues,

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Speaker 2: you see that being pushed on them from above, addition

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Speaker 1: But it does seem to be more interface. Now when

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Speaker 2: Well, as there was an increasing push to enlarge these

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Speaker 2: Right, It's like it's not like the d I department

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Speaker 3: You know, they've they've gotten a lot of.

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Speaker 2: We've seen this in academia as well, right, how many

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, and it obviously seems like they're not

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Speaker 4: What a conservatives do about it?

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Speaker 1: I mean, part of the challenge too is even if

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Speaker 1: So, I guess, how do we fight back when it

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Speaker 3: Made at the company that are articulable.

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Speaker 2: Right, tell me, CEO of Van Howerer Busch, how have

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Speaker 2: this at Consumers Research. We're pushing this in about twenty

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Speaker 3: They have policies on the books to push all.

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Speaker 2: using them to simply push Democratic Party platform agenda items.

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Speaker 1: The only place I would disagree with you is I

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Speaker 4: I would be pro spite.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's a nice fringe benefit.

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Speaker 4: I would be pro spite.

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Speaker 1: I often say the only reason I wouldn't drive an

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Speaker 2: Right, Yes, And you've seen a ton of states start

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Speaker 3: But we haven't to.

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Speaker 2: a huge difference.

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Speaker 4: No, I mean, I know they pay attention.

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Speaker 1: You know. I used to be a staff assistant on

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Speaker 1: Capitol Hill way way back in the day, and I

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Speaker 1: know that, you know, the member I worked for would

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Speaker 1: ask me, you know, where the calls lined up on

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Speaker 1: certain issues sometimes, so they do pay attention. Also, the

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Speaker 1: culture war stuff is more important than anything in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: because if we cease to be a free country, nothing

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Speaker 1: else matters, you know, So that's kind of you know

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Speaker 1: the most important thing. Will Hild, Executive director of Consumers Research.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you taking the time to join us. And

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Speaker 1: then where can people I know you had mentioned the website,

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Speaker 1: just mentioned it one more time.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, that's Consumers Research RG. And people can follow me

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Speaker 2: on Twitter at at will Hild that's w I L

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Speaker 2: L Hild cool.

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Speaker 4: Well, thanks so much. I appreciate you taking time to

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Speaker 4: join the show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: So that was Will Hill that with Consumer's Research. Appreciate

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Speaker 1: him taking the time to join the show. Appreciate you

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Speaker 1: at home as always for listening every Monday and Thursday,

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Speaker 1: but you can listen throughout the week. Want to thank John,

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Speaker 1: Cassie and my producer for putting the show together. Leave

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