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Speaker 1: his jokes were going forever the moth joke and forever

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Speaker 1: and ever and you're waiting for the punchline and Norm's

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Speaker 1: a little different. Rest in peace. But that bothered me.

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Speaker 1: That always drove me nuts about Colbert is just so partisan.

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Speaker 1: So much about his belief that he stepped on Stewart

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Speaker 1: and I think they're great friends. It just drove me

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Speaker 1: nuts and I've just wasted everybody's twenty minutes. But it's

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Speaker 1: a Saturday. That's how I felt. And this is more

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Speaker 1: kind of an ode to how gifted and great our

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Speaker 1: comedians are. Ricky Gervais, I mean, I remember watching Dennis

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Speaker 1: Miller tapes Letterman. You know, you just watched him for years,

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Speaker 1: and I you know, people over the course of my

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Speaker 1: life like who is your inspiration? And I love Costas

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Speaker 1: and al Michaels, and I mean it's just Joe Davis,

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Speaker 1: Joe Buck. I mean, there's so many gifted guys out

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Speaker 1: there doing play by play. Kevin Burkhart, his life story

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Speaker 1: is amazing. But there's something about comedians to just write

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Speaker 1: your own stuff, perform it, you get one time, knowing

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Speaker 1: it can completely bomb. There's just I've got a soft

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Speaker 1: spot for how smart they are, how clever, empty canvas.

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Speaker 1: They do their own work, they do their own painting,

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Speaker 1: and are willing to walk on stage and just bomb.

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Speaker 1: Actors don't have to go through that, right they get

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Speaker 1: forty takes. Somebody else writes it. Happy Saturday,