1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: Thanks again for tuning into another episode of school Stories. 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: Today's guest had a thirteen year NFL career as a 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: defensive tackle and was a key member of the Williams 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: Wall for eleven seasons. 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 2: He's the soft spoken. 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: Leader who was nominated as a Pro Football Hall of 7 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: Fame finalist for the first time this year. Please enjoy 8 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: today's conversation with the big ticket Kevin Williams. Well, it 9 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: is my pleasure to bring into the conversation Kevin Williams. Kevin, 10 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: how are you, What are you up to? Where are 11 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 1: you living? Give the fans a little bit of a 12 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 1: background on on what life what the life of Kevin 13 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: Williams is like right now? 14 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 3: Hey, Pete, what man, I'm back in Arkansas. I'm staying 15 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 3: outside a little rock. I grew up a little bit south, 16 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 3: a little rock about an hour in Fort the Ice. 17 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 3: But man, I'm just back home being a dad. And 18 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 3: I was doing some coaching the last couple of years, 19 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 3: but I didn't coach this past seas and uh, just 20 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,479 Speaker 3: being full time Denny man trying to get these kids 21 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 3: to college. Now, Son the senior, and the daughters in 22 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 3: ninth grader. My oldies already out of school. But uh, 23 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 3: and then I got another young one, so just just 24 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 3: running around with them. I joked a a while ago 25 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 3: that I'm uh in house uber driver, but yeah, I 26 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 3: think it's true. 27 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, you go, you go through those stages right where 28 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: you know, you have to put them in the car 29 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: seats and all that, and then next thing you know, 30 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: you're when they're teenagers. You're driving them everywhere and then 31 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 1: they get to drive, and then you got to worry 32 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: about that with them be getting their driver's license. 33 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing now, trying to get them behind 34 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 3: the wheel and to take their self where they need 35 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 3: to go. 36 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: So you're the second most famous person from ford Ice, Arkansas, right, 37 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: Bear Bryant being the other one. 38 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I might be the first. I don't know. I'll 39 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 3: just Bear Bryant heat coached, Well you can say coach. 40 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 3: He played football at Fortite where where I'm from, and 41 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 3: then you know he went on Alabama and all the 42 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 3: other stuff he did. 43 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 2: But did that matter to you at all growing up? 44 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: You know, having having his name attached to where you're from, 45 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: like somebody made it out of here, so to speak. 46 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 3: Well, you know as a kid, that stuff is not 47 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 3: really significant. I think to most kids and teenagers, but 48 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 3: it becomes more significant the older you get and looked 49 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 3: back and be like, oh, that was a pretty big deal. 50 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 3: You know. You know because as a kid, you just okay, 51 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 3: they say he did all these things. But when you 52 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 3: really find out, look look at look for yourself, you 53 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 3: kind of see to that it was a pretty big deal. 54 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 3: Bart Brown was from around here. 55 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you go and then you you make your 56 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: way to Oklahoma State or another very good football player 57 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: and Barry Sanders played. What was your experience like there 58 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: and what was college? Because I'm working my way into 59 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: just kind of your transition to the NFL, but the 60 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: college experience, what was that like? 61 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 2: Going from a small. 62 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: Town to you know, to a big school and then 63 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: playing on a big stage. 64 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 3: I think it was great because Fortye was a small town. 65 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 3: But going to Stillwater it's a big school, but it's 66 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 3: also a small town. I mean still Water is not 67 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 3: very big. You you know, depend on what highway you own, 68 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 3: you'll be out. You be head of Oklahoma City before 69 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 3: you know it, and you're being passed right through Stillwater. 70 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 3: So so going from kind of small town to the 71 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 3: small town college town was kind of good. For me. 72 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 3: I mean, it didn't have all the things that it 73 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 3: has now. You wouldn't recognize Stillwater now if you were 74 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 3: there twenty years ago. They put so many hotels, they 75 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 3: put all these different things, you know, to just cater 76 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 3: to the college atmosphere more and a better you know, 77 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 3: making a better atmosphere. I diget to experience like some 78 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 3: Eskimo Joe's, you know kind of world. And now everybody 79 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 3: comes in from all over to go to Eskimo Joe's 80 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 3: and get some cheese, fries and beer. 81 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: That's what it's famous for. Huh. 82 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: Eskimo Joe's the chiefe fries and and beer. Yeah, that's 83 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: that's fantastic. I might have explained the uh, the growth 84 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: that you experienced between your junior and senior you know 85 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: year in college, and that at the time I was 86 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: here as a coach, I worked with Georgia Leary and 87 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: I remember your impact at the Senior Bowl, uh, and 88 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,799 Speaker 1: the impact that you had as a senior in college. 89 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: What changed between your junior and senior year in college 90 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: that you kind of, in Scouts terms, came out of nowhere, right. Uh, 91 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: You just all of a sudden jumped on the map 92 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: your senior year. So so there was a lot of 93 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: work involved in that. There had to have been. 94 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 3: Uh, it was just one of those things learned that 95 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 3: I had to go in mind to reach the NFL, 96 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 3: and this is it, this is your shot. You got 97 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 3: this season coming up. I probably what I was doing, 98 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 3: might it could have got in you know, second day guy, 99 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 3: probably from just my first three years. But I took 100 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 3: a huge step against some of the biggest opponents. You know, Nebraska, 101 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 3: we hadn't beat them in forty one years. I think 102 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 3: I had seven eight tackles, two sacks, Texas kind of 103 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 3: the same thing. I think we ended up losing the 104 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 3: Texas at Texas, but I think it was a close 105 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 3: game all the way into the fourth. Something could probably 106 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 3: say they got a little Texas home cooking, but I mean, 107 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:40,239 Speaker 3: you know that's here, know there. But I still played 108 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 3: well Texas A and m played really well. Like you said, 109 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 3: bowl game, I had think three sacks, went to the 110 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 3: Senior Bowl, and you know, I'm just going, I'm just 111 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 3: doing what I'm doing. And but I hear people talk 112 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 3: about it. It's like you lined up and beat everybody 113 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 3: on the line that practice and and uh and uh, 114 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 3: it kind of blew the scouts away. So I was like, 115 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 3: it kind of was one of those things where the 116 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 3: time is now and you gotta go or or you're 117 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 3: gonna get left behind. 118 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: Right, And and congrats to you, I mean for taking 119 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: advantage of it, because I remember being at the Senior 120 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: Bowl and you just you know, people would say you 121 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: this Kevin Williams, Kevin watch and then you just had 122 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: an unbelievable week. And for people, it's more about the practice, 123 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: isn't it down to Senior Bowl than the game per se. 124 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, once you get there and you get with an 125 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 3: agent or whatever, they're gonna tell you all the team's 126 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 3: gonna come to the practice. They're gonna watch the practice. 127 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 3: They're not gonna watch the game, They're gonna watch the bag. 128 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 3: So I made I was on another mission there, and 129 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 3: I mean I tried to I tried to demolish everybody 130 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 3: I went against in practice and and uh and it worked. 131 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean I think me, Sullivan and uh 132 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 3: or the other guy Patterson or something whatever, all three 133 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 3: of us was this kind of kind of out of 134 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 3: nowhere guys de tackle wise and got drafted. Those two 135 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 3: went ahead of me. But I think all three of 136 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 3: us kind of shot up out of nowhere because Ali thought, well, 137 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 3: you know, Jimmy Kennedy was the big guy coming out 138 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 3: and all all the Miami players that they had like 139 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 3: six gays at something like that. 140 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I remember being with Georgia Lary saying that 141 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: you were the guy, that you were the guy that 142 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: he wanted or that we should you know, defensively who 143 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: You're the guy that we should get out of that group. 144 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: And that kind of takes us into the draft, and 145 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: you know, I know, the the you know, the all 146 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: the controvert or whatever people think about what happened. You 147 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: were the guy that we wanted. I remember that, And 148 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: I know the Vikings are just trying to do and 149 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: get as much value and trying to trade down and 150 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: all that. But it wasn't The getting up there late 151 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 1: wasn't necessary. It was wasn't necessarily your fault or anything. 152 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: But it was just what the Vikings were trying to 153 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: do internally. But that day had to have been pretty 154 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: remarkable for you, was it not. I mean, were you 155 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: surprised to be picked as highly as you were? 156 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 3: Oh, I was definitely a surprise. I mean we were 157 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 3: we were having a cookout. I think I might have 158 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 3: been tending the grill at the time. And and my 159 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 3: brother's girlfriend at the time, she she just yelled out, 160 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 3: you just got picked. You just got me, because no, 161 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 3: we weren't expected. We were like, we got about maybe 162 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 3: ten or fifteen more picks, and you know, we started 163 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 3: kind of gathering around watching but and you know then 164 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 3: they were taking forever to make picks, so it was 165 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 3: like we had probably another hour before you thought we 166 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 3: were gonna get picked. So it was definitely shocking. And uh, 167 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 3: somebody sent me that draft probably six months ago. I said, Minnesota, 168 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 3: the fans are really upset, every booing and everything. I 169 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 3: was like, d that's how they really felt about me, 170 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,599 Speaker 3: because I've never seen it. I was like, right, and 171 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 3: that they really feels about it. But I realized that 172 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 3: and like you said, the Vikings were trying to trade 173 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 3: back and save money. That's really what I said. They're 174 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 3: trying to save money, That's what they're trying to do. 175 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 3: But well, it all worked out. It all worked out, yeah, 176 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 3: and it ended up being a great fit for both 177 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 3: of them. 178 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 2: And for the fans. I know, it wasn't you. 179 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: It was the you know, we had the Bryan McKinney 180 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: thing the year before, and so people are like, oh 181 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: my god, it's happening again, and blah blah blah. You know, 182 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: so it had nothing to it had nothing to do 183 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 1: with you, because once you showed up, Yeah you were, 184 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: you were a game changer from the beginning. But when 185 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: you first got here, I'm looking at these names, Kenny 186 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: Mix and Chris Hovan connect you you does a right, 187 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: Keith Newman, E J. Henderson, Chris Claiborne, Antoine Winfield, those 188 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: are those are some pretty remarkable names and teammates. So 189 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: when you first got here and showed up as a rookie, 190 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: tell me about that experience that your teammates or what 191 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: do you remember from that and your coaches. 192 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 3: A few of those who hadn't made it yet. But 193 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 3: I definitely had a veteran room. Uh, I don't think 194 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 3: you said Fred Robbins. Fred Robbins was a big, big help. 195 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 3: Lance Johnstone, Yeah, Ole Van, like you said, who else, 196 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 3: Kenny Mix and uh Bromeo, Renzo bro Men, all those guys, man, 197 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,840 Speaker 3: they were It was a veteran group of guys to 198 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 3: to really nurture my you know, rookie self, my young self, 199 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 3: so so Lance. Lance did a great job taking me 200 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 3: under his wings, showing me how to watch film, just 201 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 3: talking about the rush, playing just different stuff like that, 202 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 3: because I was kind of the hybrid when I got drafted. 203 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 3: I would play end on on first and second down. 204 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 3: The third down, I played nose because uh, they would 205 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 3: move me inside and and kind of Fred kind of 206 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 3: helped me with that position because I never played those 207 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 3: tackle before, and playing a two I and trying to 208 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 3: hold a center and do all this. It was different. 209 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 3: And I don't think I was supposed to have ten 210 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 3: and half sex out of the nose position, but I 211 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 3: made it work and and it blossomed into whoever came 212 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 3: it played it. 213 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you kind of ended up as a 214 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: three technique being kind of the hybrid of both. So 215 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: I would imagine your time at defensive end helped you 216 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: three technique, your time at nose helped you a three technique, 217 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: and then later on you know you're you're with Pat 218 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: Williams and guys like Jared Allen. Right, I mean a 219 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: totally probably one of the best defensive lines since the 220 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: Purple People leaders that the Vikings had here. 221 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 3: We definitely built a good group of guys from the 222 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 3: draft and just free agency. Pat being free agent. I 223 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 3: think we got Fred Evans as backing him up. We played. 224 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 3: We had Spencer Johnson who went on and played with 225 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 3: the Bills for a long time. Connect you did. I 226 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 3: mean we drafted, you know, we had a pretty solid room, 227 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 3: and then we got Jared you know, to be that 228 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 3: shore pass rusher and uh and it was a good 229 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 3: one two punch with me and him out there and 230 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 3: b Robinson. Then we later got everything as well. But 231 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 3: I played with some good guys up front and uh 232 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 3: and not knowing it getting drafted there. But heck, that's 233 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 3: what the Vikings are known for. A great defensive line plays. 234 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 235 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: See you You also played for a lot of different coaches, right, George. 236 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: You went from Georgia O'Leary to Ted Katrell, Mike Tomlin, 237 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 1: Leslie Frazier, You and Carl Dunbar is your position coach. 238 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: I know he's a guy that you you know, I 239 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: know you think highly of him. What do you remember 240 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: about those coaches in which one of them you think 241 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: had the biggest impact on you. 242 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 3: I gotta give him a hatch to George, because my 243 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 3: rookie year He was the one I think that was 244 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 3: fighting for me to get drafted. 245 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 2: So he was so so for. 246 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 3: Him he man, I tell you, I felt like I 247 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 3: had a saddle on because he rode my tail. It 248 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 3: would be a whole film session of nothing but me 249 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 3: and the things I could fix or do better. And 250 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 3: I'm like, what all these other du but it was me. 251 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 3: He would only be on me. He would be on me, 252 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 3: on me, on me. He stayed on me the entire time. 253 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 3: But and I appreciate it. He didn't let me slack 254 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 3: as a rookie and think I arrived and I was 255 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 3: shipped out of heaven for a day. You know. He 256 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 3: stayed on me, and he rode me and he robe 257 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 3: me and then you know, come to find out he 258 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 3: was the guy that pushed for me, and they it 259 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 3: turned out to be the best thing for me, you know, 260 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 3: because a lot of times you get rookies drafted high. 261 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 3: You know, I mean, you know you've been around. You 262 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 3: know they get drafted high. They think they made it 263 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 3: or they came from somewhere big and think they don't 264 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 3: have to work. Is hard, But that sucker, man, he 265 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 3: stayed on me, man all the time. I mean, and 266 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 3: it was just it was just a blessing, you know. 267 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 3: I had Brian Baker, I had him, and then to 268 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 3: get coach Dunbar at the latter part, kind of the 269 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 3: middle part of my career. Uh face. I was familiar 270 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 3: with a voice I was familiar with because he coached 271 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 3: me in college. It was it was just a blessing, 272 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 3: you know, to be in that situation. 273 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, uh, and that's I think that's kind 274 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: of the beauty of it. Now you're done and it's over, 275 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: you can sit here. I can sit here and say. 276 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: George was pulling for you from the first time he 277 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: saw you, I mean just on film and then at 278 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, and it was about your stance and 279 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: how you know when you got in your stance you 280 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: didn't have both your heels up in the air, you know, 281 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: always had one foot that was flat. That meant you 282 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: were flexible and strong and all these things in George, 283 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: as hard as he was on you, he was your 284 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: biggest fan, right. He was a guy in this organization 285 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: that that brilliant I think is mostly responsible for bringing 286 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: you here because he saw you, talked you, talked about you, 287 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: and then made sure that you were in the right 288 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: spot on the board. So, uh, I know, Georgia o'liary 289 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: was very fond of you as a player, and typical 290 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: Georgia o'liary that the more he likes you, the harder 291 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: he is on you. 292 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 3: No, that no doubt. If he wasn't knowing you didn't 293 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 3: he didn't care too much about that was my notion. 294 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 2: Exactly right. 295 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 3: It was great. I got to take it was good though. 296 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 3: I got to take something from each one of those coaches, man, 297 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 3: and made my game that much better because Baker taught 298 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 3: me about you know, he was a linebacker coach originally, 299 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 3: so yep. So he kind of taught me formations and 300 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 3: play recognition, you know, kind of all those things. 301 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 2: Yep. 302 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 3: And then you know, Doun Barbers hammered into technical technique, technique, technique, technique, technique. 303 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 3: He was just he was all about the technique of 304 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 3: playing position. So so I thought it was a good 305 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 3: mixture of I mean, you know, you don't like to 306 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 3: play with a bunch of different coaches, but I was 307 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: able to get something from each one of them and 308 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 3: keep building on throughout my career. 309 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you, I mean as an interior pass rusher with 310 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: sixty sacks in your career from twenty twenty three to 311 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. Obviously you can get to the quarterback. You know, 312 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: you're right up there with Justin Smith and Colin Jenkins 313 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: and Darnell Dockett. I mean, so in that period you 314 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: were right there. But it was your ability to just 315 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: not just deflect passes but interceptions. Right, you have two touchdowns, 316 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: you have two TD returns. 317 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 2: They're all. I don't even know. Ninety nine percent. 318 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: Of the dbs that play in this league don't have 319 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: two career touchdown receptions. What was Was it just a 320 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: matter of hyke Kevin or was there something that you 321 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: saw did that allowed you to bat down so many 322 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: passes and have that many interceptions. 323 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 3: I joke with people a lot, but I mean it's 324 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 3: truth in jokes, But I was doing that baton balls 325 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 3: down I think way before they started stating it for 326 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:18,479 Speaker 3: JJ Watt, But it was it was I don't know. 327 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 3: I just tried to get as much penetration as I could. 328 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 3: He and they always teach you when his hand comes 329 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 3: off the ball, get your hands up, so so I 330 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 3: would try to get as much penetration. And I mean, 331 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 3: after after being successful in those early years, I started 332 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 3: getting a lot of double teams. I mean it didn't 333 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 3: I didn't know affect it. You know it they trying 334 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 3: to keep you from getting there to the quarterback because 335 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 3: you know, the quickest path is stuff the middle. So 336 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,479 Speaker 3: I saw a lot of double teams and and just 337 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 3: trying to get far as you can get your hands up, 338 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 3: and I just so happened to catch a few. I mean, 339 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 3: just being the right place at the right time, always 340 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 3: trying to get to the ball. I even tell my 341 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 3: kids now, a lot of big plays happened just getting 342 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 3: to the ball. Just run to the football. 343 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 2: Being around, and good things will happen. 344 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 3: Big plays. Most times, big plays happened just because of that. 345 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 3: It ain't because of nothing special. It's just you getting 346 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 3: to the ball, being there when you're supposed to be 347 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 3: that one time. 348 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: What game? What games do you remember most? And I 349 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: would assume some of them were from the Metrodome because 350 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 1: that was a very unique place to play, how loud 351 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: it was the whole thing. But any games in your 352 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: career stand out in your memory? 353 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 3: That two thousand and nine season was, you know, the 354 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 3: most memorable, I think, because I mean it seemed like 355 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 3: it was such a blur and and such a fun season. 356 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 3: I mean we won thirteen games, I think, play some 357 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 3: good defense. I mean, it just was magical. I think 358 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 3: to see Brett you know, come back and be able 359 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 3: to perform the way he did at that at that 360 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 3: age and and the help carry us to, you know, 361 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 3: to the ency Championship. I remember so many other losses 362 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 3: more than I remember the wins. You know what I'm saying, right, 363 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 3: that's just that's just me thinking, always thinking about what 364 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 3: you could have done better, or which plays you miss here, 365 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 3: and you know, just things that you're trying to do 366 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 3: to be a winner. 367 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 368 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: And so now when you look back, you're you're right 369 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: now with finalists for the National Football League Hall of Fame. 370 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: How does that feel, you know, to to maybe get 371 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: yourself into the NFL Hall of Fame because you're you 372 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: look at the numbers, you're right up there with with 373 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: all with all of the former teammate of mine, Bryant 374 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 1: Young as well. I mean, you've got to be pretty uh, 375 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: pretty fired up and excited about all this. 376 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 3: Man you you know me Pete personally, and a lot 377 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 3: of people do. I'm kind of even killed. But I 378 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 3: mean it's a tremendous, tremendous honor to be a semi finals. 379 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 3: I I I'm super excited. I think I think my 380 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 3: family is way more excited, you know, than me. But 381 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 3: I'm like, it'll be definitely a tremendous honor to make 382 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 3: it to the Hall of Fame. And like you said, 383 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 3: to be a semi finalist in the first place is huge. 384 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 3: But I know it's still a long road, the long 385 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 3: road to go and uh and I don't know that's 386 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 3: the ultimate goal to me. Man, you play and win 387 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 3: the championship, and you play, you know, to make some money. 388 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 3: But at the end of it, if you be recognized 389 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 3: with your peers and your family gets to see that 390 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 3: and do all those things, I think that'll be the 391 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 3: end all be all, you know, the most amazing honor 392 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 3: you can have. 393 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: And you have a son now that's going to I 394 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: believe Steven f Austin and he's playing football. Talk talk 395 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: about him a little bit. 396 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 3: He's a way better athlete than than I am and 397 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 3: probably probably gets that from his mom. 398 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: But I was going to say, your wife, your wife 399 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 1: was quite the athlete too, wasn't she. 400 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 3: Yes, she was Black Player of the Year back in 401 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 3: her day basketball Okay, but yeah, man, he's a he's 402 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 3: kind of in that round where he's right at six foot. 403 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 3: He know, plays safety, plays running back. He's an athlete. 404 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 3: I wish he had a kind of more defined position 405 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 3: these days because it's kind of tough being an athlete. 406 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 3: They don't know to play your offensive defense. But it's 407 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 3: just been a crazy process of trying to get him recruited. 408 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 3: And you know, the game has changed now, say to 409 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 3: play now we basically we basically dealing with semi pro 410 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 3: athletes in college at college sports now. So it's a 411 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 3: tough road man. And he was injured the first couple 412 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 3: of years of his high school career, so he's kind 413 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 3: of just now on the radar. But you know that's 414 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 3: if they took you know, they took a chance on 415 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 3: him on to offer him, and hey, we're gonna roll 416 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 3: with it and hopefully hopefully the best, Hopefully the best comes. 417 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: From When was the first time you caught yourself saying 418 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: back in my day, we didn't do this. 419 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 3: I tell him all the time, and I said, he 420 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 3: it's a different day and age of athletes now, they 421 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 3: they all gym rats. Now, everybody got to you know, 422 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 3: when I grew up, you went outside and you you 423 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 3: can make up games to play and stuff like that. 424 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 3: Now everybody has to have a turf field or a 425 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 3: gym floor or something like that to go work out 426 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 3: and do and do drills. You know, back and then 427 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 3: you didn't. We didn't pay anybody to train outside and 428 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 3: do it yourself. 429 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 430 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: Right now, with all with all that being said, with 431 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: the kids and and the growing up, and and you know, 432 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: thinking about having them there around you, you're gonna get 433 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: You're gonna get into the hall at some point. 434 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 2: Kevin. 435 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: I'm just I can say that you you know, you 436 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 1: may not be able to the teammates though the guys 437 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: like Pat Williams. You talk about double teams, and I 438 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: think about Pat Williams, and I think about how important 439 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: it was for him to be next to you, And 440 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: I guess there's a whole other level of chemistry that 441 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 1: gets involved, right when you're working with a guy like Pat, 442 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: and the wink and the nod and the different things 443 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: that you guys know how to do, and how intricate 444 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: that relationship can be. Just let the listeners know you're 445 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: just not lining up and filling a gap. This it 446 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: goes way beyond that, doesn't it. 447 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 3: Oh, definitely we signed pat. I think in the summer 448 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 3: I was getting married and he ended up coming to 449 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 3: my wedding. So that's that. Lets you know how we 450 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 3: hit it off right away. Passed like my brother. But 451 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 3: I talked to him usually once once a week, maybe 452 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 3: once every two weeks. We always in having a conversation. 453 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 3: He loves to talk about in and m especially right now, 454 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 3: and he's definitely giving me a lot of flak about 455 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 3: Okclhoma State. But the best thing happened for me was 456 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 3: he came over and I think now the best thing 457 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 3: ever him he came over. But I told her, I 458 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 3: tell him all the time, you never made a Pro 459 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 3: Bowl that you came here and play with me. So 460 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 3: it's like I made you better and he ain't gonna 461 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 3: admit it, but but we made each other better. And 462 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 3: that's all out honestly. The drive and determination he played 463 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 3: with and Mike Tomlin used to always ask who on 464 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 3: this week because we we would equival equivocate the game 465 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 3: to a boxing round. It was like, you know, ten nine, 466 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 3: ten to eight, and you know he always swear he 467 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 3: knocked me out every week, you know, you know, Pat, Yeah, 468 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 3: I knocked you out this week. You didn't have a chance. 469 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 3: But I'm like it was it was definitely a rivalry 470 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 3: between me and him, but it was friendly and we 471 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 3: were always pushing each other. And then Jared came. He 472 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 3: jumped right in with it, and he he was part 473 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 3: of the competition too, so so between all three of 474 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 3: us and then the other guys we had, I mean, 475 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 3: we pushed each other hard, but we loved each other 476 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 3: all the same and we were pretty tight knit group. 477 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 3: Up front. 478 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jared talked. 479 00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: I mean, Jared Allen's been talking well, you know Jared 480 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: a lot, but he's had the opportunity to talk a 481 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: lot with his Hall of Fame. 482 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 2: Uh. 483 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: He brought talked about his arrival in Minnesota and that you, 484 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: Pat and Coach Dunbar went to the airport to pick 485 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:12,199 Speaker 1: him up. 486 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 2: What do you remember about that? 487 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,679 Speaker 3: They was telling me we got pulled over, but I 488 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 3: think I met him at the restaurant. They got pulled 489 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 3: over because that was speed they but I met him 490 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 3: at the restaurant and I just know, I just know 491 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,959 Speaker 3: we challenged Jared. It's like, you know, you get all 492 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 3: the reports he can't do this. He can't do that. 493 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 3: They do it to all of us. But I mean, 494 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 3: we just really challenged him. We know you can rush 495 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 3: the passagery, but we we played and run and whoever 496 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 3: gave him that knock that he couldn't play run, uh, 497 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 3: and he probably should have lost their job. I mean, 498 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 3: Jered came in, he put his boots truck, picked his 499 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 3: boots up, and he played the run with the best 500 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 3: of us. So so and he talked to no ways 501 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 3: of doing it. I mean him and Pat talked so 502 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 3: much anyway, like he couldn't he couldn't get a word in, 503 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,239 Speaker 3: but I mean he up to the challenge, man, and 504 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 3: he did in. He was one of us, and he 505 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 3: took the reins a lot of times and it was 506 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 3: leading us. So it was a it was a good pairing. 507 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 3: I think it was good for him. But I always 508 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 3: used to tell the guys, I'm like, guy's got three 509 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 3: sacks already, y'all still double TV me. Don't you not 510 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 3: see what he's doing to your quarterback? But they wouldn't change. 511 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 3: They wouldn't change the block, and they say their life. 512 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 3: Maybe I could have got at least seventy five sacks 513 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 3: if they they actually slid the front to him a 514 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 3: little more. 515 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: Well, it's it's it's the ultimate compliment to you because it, 516 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: like you said earlier, it's fastest way to the quarterback, right. 517 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, sir. 518 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,239 Speaker 1: Now you're I know you're following the vikings U and 519 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: you have you know, coach Flores is running a type 520 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: of a of a three four. It's really a different 521 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: type of front all toogether. But how do you think 522 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: you would have done or would do if you were 523 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 1: playing today? I mean, I have my ideas, but compare 524 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: yourself to to to the some of the current like 525 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: the Jalen Redmands of the world, and some of these 526 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: guys that we have here with Minnesota. 527 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 3: You know what. I'm glad you mentioned him. I like 528 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,400 Speaker 3: watching him play. He gets off the rock. He's been 529 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 3: making plays interior wide. To me, he's the one been 530 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 3: standing out the most. Upfront. We got those guys that 531 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 3: rush the passer on the edge, but Redmonds, I think 532 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 3: he's been He's been doing his big one this year 533 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 3: and having a good season. Flow gives you so many 534 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 3: looks and uh, you gotta repair so many different ways. 535 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 3: He keeps it. He keeps it fresh for these guys. 536 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 3: And you know you're gonna come after him, So teams 537 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 3: really have to prepare for all the different looks that 538 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 3: he's able to provide for the defense. 539 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, you got a little bit of a three four 540 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: type of of a look with Teddy Catrall. It's just 541 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: a lot harder to get to get double teams when 542 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,479 Speaker 1: you have that many bodies packed in there, and then 543 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: one on one you're gonna you're gonna win that battle 544 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: most of the time. That'd be the most exciting part. 545 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 1: Just for my opinion, to see you in this in 546 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: this defense is good luck trying to double team. 547 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 2: Yet. 548 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember Pete, but we played 549 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 3: that little three four stuff and uh, Pat loved it 550 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 3: because he could go whichever way he wanted to go 551 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 3: on the nose. He was just he didn't have to 552 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 3: be right. He could just let them block him this 553 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 3: way and he would back door. 554 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 2: He would go. 555 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, he had so many tackle for 556 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 3: loss that year it was ridiculous. I didn't care for 557 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 3: the three foarter. I'm like, either I'm covered up or 558 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 3: you know, I'm gonna five technique possibly getting double It's like, 559 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 3: you know, I'm a four trying of trying to play 560 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 3: the gap inside out, which I didn't. I didn't like 561 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 3: that very much. 562 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 2: But that was the Opie. That was the Opie front 563 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 2: who used to run. 564 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 3: You had to play like a four eye and a note. 565 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 3: I'm like, geez, but I'm watching these guys these days. 566 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 3: I'm like, I could have I tell my dad, I said, hey, 567 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 3: you should have you know, kind of waited about five 568 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 3: to ten more years before you had me, and I 569 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 3: could have played with these guys that's playing now because 570 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 3: they got bad footwork, bad hand placement. I was like, 571 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 3: he stepp with their own foot any guy turned out, 572 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 3: It's just like, come on, man, they ran right in 573 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 3: his gap. 574 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 2: Yeah they don't. They don't practice like they used to. Right, No, 575 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 2: they don't. 576 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 3: They don't even practice. You're right, You're right, they don't 577 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 3: even practice. It's basically going to the spy because you 578 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 3: got all the spy equipment and sonas and and all 579 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 3: this massage everything at the facility nowadays. 580 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, they definitely take care. They definitely take care of 581 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: your body. So Kevin, thank you for your time. I 582 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know if anybody else is more 583 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: deserving of an honor like being in the Hall of Fame. 584 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 2: Uh, as as. 585 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: You do being able to be a bear witness to 586 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: your journey from you know, from kind of a sort 587 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: of unknown as a junior to what you did your 588 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: senior year and what you did with your career. 589 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 2: I mean hat tip. 590 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 1: I mean you changed the way we played coverages with 591 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: with because of your ability to play over garden two gap. 592 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if you realize that, but the Antoine 593 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: Winfields of the world benefited from what you were able 594 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,239 Speaker 1: to do up front. And uh, yeah, I'm you're one 595 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: of my favorites of all time. And so I guess 596 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: that's about as much as I could possibly say. 597 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 3: I will appreciate it. Man, you don't you know, you're 598 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 3: in the moment. You don't realize all the stuff that's 599 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 3: going on and happening and stuff you're doing. But when 600 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 3: you go back and look at it, I have to 601 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 3: say I did some did some amazing things. And uh 602 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 3: and I hope, I hope I was making the people 603 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 3: around me better. That was that was the biggest thing, 604 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 3: making everybody else around me. I wasn't plan for the 605 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 3: individual accolade, but it's nice to reap the benefits. 606 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: Leg Yeah, well take that. I mean you you did 607 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: make that. You did make everybody better and they know it. 608 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: So that's the ultimate respect, my man, and you earned it. 609 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: So congratulations. 610 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 3: Oh man. Chad, he calls me very now and then 611 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 3: he lets you know, he's like, hey, I appreciate you. Man. 612 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 2: He's still thanking you. 613 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 3: I got the rut. Yeah, yeah, I keep it with 614 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 3: Chad and his daughter's they're killing Minnesota right now. 615 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 2: Uh yeah. 616 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: If you had a dollar for every time a linebacker 617 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: thank you for taking a double team, you'd be pretty rich. 618 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 2: Guy. 619 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 3: Wou you that what you're talking about? 620 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 2: All right, Kevin? Thank you very much? 621 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 3: All right, man, see you. 622 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: Thanks again to Kevin for joining the show today, and 623 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: thank you fans for tuning into another edition of Skull Stories. 624 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: Be sure to check out all of our content via 625 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: the audio tab on Vikings dot Com, our iHeartMedia, Feed, 626 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and more. We'll see you all again 627 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: next week.