Speaker 1: This episode of Bustle with the Boys. The Boys is
Speaker 1: presented by Barstool Sports. Oh dude, I'm fired up.
Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, you can't. You don't have to see me one. Hello, Hello, Hello,
Speaker 2: there it is. He's on this thing. Yo. This this
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Speaker 3: I would suck it most of the time because that
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Speaker 2: I have to worry about that. No, two years ago
Speaker 2: I did. But now I feel like you lost some weight.
Speaker 2: He got about twenty two two years ago, I old man,
Speaker 2: dropped twenty two pounds. Man. Two years ago. I was
Speaker 2: on a Southwest flight and you and your wife are
Speaker 2: going down. We're going to you were going to Vegas
Speaker 2: for Craig Stevens. No, it was crazy. Was going with
Speaker 2: his brother. They were going to have a state. Yeah
Speaker 2: you were okay, Yeah, it was a it was a
Speaker 2: weird deal. You even remember that, Yeah, you know he
Speaker 2: had that.
Speaker 3: I was sober for that flight, and then I wasn't
Speaker 3: sober again until the next five I went home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were going in there, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't remember what time of year. It was my
Speaker 2: oldest son's coat. He was a defensive coordinator last year
Speaker 2: at Southern Utah and they opened against you an l V.
Speaker 2: So that might have been the trip. It was summer.
Speaker 2: Maybe not have been because it was our season ended,
Speaker 2: so I had to be okay late late January maybe yeah,
Speaker 2: and there's really going there's I don't know, there's yeah.
Speaker 2: We were probably going back to Montana or so, yeah,
Speaker 2: so what's that? This is cool? You like to set up?
Speaker 1: Yeah, when did you first find out about busting? When
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Speaker 1: three days the store reached out and he actually actually
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Speaker 1: because everybody was trying to flood his mentions to get
Speaker 1: him a bust it. So we favorited a couple of things,
Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, we're stoked because we would
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Speaker 2: See the hard part when I found out about I
Speaker 2: wasn't here. You know, I was a Montana So you
Speaker 2: know it's kind of hard to do it. First off,
Speaker 2: you guys, does some bullets here, man, let's get let's
Speaker 2: let's let's go there right now. It is I watched
Speaker 2: I watched Governor Lee this morning talk about the devastation here.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you guys have had a
Speaker 2: chance to go out and see it, but it is
Speaker 2: it is sad. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I drove through Germantown yesterday. Did it's a yeah, And
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, Michael Russ and then a couple
Speaker 3: of property see owns in Germantown have been have been
Speaker 3: hit by the by the tornado and it's crazy. I
Speaker 3: think the casualty is that twenty five people now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a few missing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, somebody posted a big list of people that they
Speaker 4: haven't accounted for.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's just so sad and you know, and
Speaker 2: and the governor was cool because he was talking about
Speaker 2: you know, it's so sad and so devastating and people's
Speaker 2: lives are going to be changed forever. But you know
Speaker 2: what it's it's people come alive at this time. And
Speaker 2: you know, I was even reading stuff about something that's
Speaker 2: going on with the organization because I remember it brought
Speaker 2: back memories because of ninety eight we had we had
Speaker 2: one rip through here and so we got the guys
Speaker 2: out and did some clean up and I'll never forget
Speaker 2: or as a head as a young head coach, senior
Speaker 2: starting franchise quarterback. I crank up a chainsaw and just
Speaker 2: get it with a chainsaw. It's a little unnerving for me,
Speaker 2: but I trusted that Steve knew how to do it
Speaker 2: because he was a farm boy, you know. So we
Speaker 2: got out and did a lot of work in the community.
Speaker 2: And I'm if the listeners and the fans here are
Speaker 2: are waiting, it's going to happen, you guys, or your organization, everybody,
Speaker 2: even I'm thinking about getting some retired guys together and
Speaker 2: putting a group. And you can't get in it too
Speaker 2: soon because everybody's trying to figure out what's going on
Speaker 2: and across is doing this. But all right, this is
Speaker 2: going to be a year two years before you can
Speaker 2: the stuff's rebuilt. But in a month or so, that's
Speaker 2: when you can really get in to make a difference.
Speaker 4: Especially in Nashville. We were talking about that yesterday. He
Speaker 4: went on the three h L.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a three HL or mid day one.
Speaker 1: But I heard his snippe and then I heard, like
Speaker 1: Jason fitz with the ESPN, he posted a video and
Speaker 1: it's kind of like the city of Nashville just is different,
Speaker 1: it'll come around.
Speaker 2: It wild.
Speaker 3: It's wild how this city definitely picks up and takes
Speaker 3: care of its own. It's I mean, my wife is
Speaker 3: she's big in the community, and she's big on that,
Speaker 3: just trying to help, whether it's for the homeless people
Speaker 3: in Nashville or when the hurricanes struck Houston, she had
Speaker 3: a friend of hers that their family was directly affected,
Speaker 3: and so within two weeks they did a charity event
Speaker 3: for that and raised over one hundred thousand dollars. And
Speaker 3: it's she has her little band of superhero friends and
Speaker 3: they get together and Chipotle reached out, tell.
Speaker 2: Us, yeah, we got Chipotle.
Speaker 3: It was like a hundred burritos started going out and
Speaker 3: giving out burritos and stuff like that. So trying to
Speaker 3: start the initial help of just doing whatever you can.
Speaker 3: And when you're putting into a position where you have
Speaker 3: a podcast that's doing well and you know in this
Speaker 3: community since twenty fourteen playing football, like, you have that
Speaker 3: opportunity through the people you've meant to kind of you know,
Speaker 3: exhaust those avenues and you get those people back on
Speaker 3: their feet as soon as possible.
Speaker 2: What was cool. I'll kind of give you a little
Speaker 2: history lesson. When we moved here from Houston, somebody had
Speaker 2: told me that Vince Gill was doing a concert at
Speaker 2: Franklin High School, Okay, to raise money for the high school.
Speaker 2: If it was Gil went to a high school to
Speaker 2: play a concert, right, that's pretty awesome, but to do
Speaker 2: it for nothing to raise money, and so that was
Speaker 2: kind of the groundwork for the organization. We moved here
Speaker 2: from Houston, so that was everybody was in the community
Speaker 2: doing all those kind of things. And in my mind,
Speaker 2: the golf tournaments run their course and everybody's doing them.
Speaker 2: So that's when we started the softball. Softball game, so
Speaker 2: be really cool to pick it up again, Doubteah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll do. The last time I got it out a
Speaker 2: walk away walk off man, Well off, I just kind
Speaker 2: of tried. Did you bring the fences in? No? No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 4: It is a shot Sounds stadium.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well Sounds wasn't probably built that. Yeah, I reached it.
Speaker 2: It was so bad after that again yea, So it
Speaker 2: was really fun. But yeah, you got I mean, it's
Speaker 2: a great town and that's what it's it's all about.
Speaker 2: There's you know, I mean people say this all the time.
Speaker 2: You know, you move and uh, and I can speak
Speaker 2: from experience. You know, I moved. I coached around a
Speaker 2: little bit. So I coached on the East coast coast
Speaker 2: of Philadelphia and so and then obviously moving here, you
Speaker 2: move here and as soon as the movie event pulls up,
Speaker 2: there's people coming in with cookies and just food and
Speaker 2: and every you can imagine, all the neighbors are like
Speaker 2: there to help you move in the East Coast, no disrespect.
Speaker 2: They sit there and watch you crawl up the driveway
Speaker 2: with refrigerator on your back. No question. It's a different world.
Speaker 2: But but after over time they become really really good friends.
Speaker 2: So it's it's just that it's a it's that it's
Speaker 2: that difference, but it is a this is a cool
Speaker 2: place and and and you know will overcome this again.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we had the floods that that
Speaker 2: you know dated you guys too aches over a weekend
Speaker 2: or something like that. But here talking about all that,
Speaker 2: let me put in perspective for you. The water in
Speaker 2: the stadium was up to the wall, top of the wall,
Speaker 2: to the first row of the seats and a cool yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it was to the top of the wall
Speaker 2: to the top of the wall. Yeah, and the organization
Speaker 2: and the city did such an amazing job, you know,
Speaker 2: getting that water down, and we had to close you know,
Speaker 2: the the area around the facility and everything because of Cumberland.
Speaker 2: They didn't know it was going to come over and
Speaker 2: there's water all over. But you know, things settled down
Speaker 2: and we it was a business as usual before you
Speaker 2: know it.
Speaker 3: That's that's it. I think whoever, I always always allude
Speaker 3: to Butch because I think but is such an amazing
Speaker 3: job for the city the way he's kind of developed it.
Speaker 3: I think Nashville does such a great job of transitioning
Speaker 3: from those things and like you said, just going right
Speaker 3: back to business as usual. I mean I wasn't here
Speaker 3: when way was you know, not really the place to be.
Speaker 3: I mean from what I've heard from outside, it was
Speaker 3: like kind of like you know, a little prostitutes central,
Speaker 3: a lot of drugs running around. There wasn't a lot
Speaker 3: of It wasn't a great space. And then for the
Speaker 3: city to come in and revamp that whole thing. Really,
Speaker 3: this whole city is there's not a lot of like
Speaker 3: quote what bad areas like This city does a really
Speaker 3: good job of you know, making everything nice and approachable
Speaker 3: and you can kind of go anywhere and feel hands
Speaker 3: on deck all the time, all hands on deck all
Speaker 3: the time. And the city it's caused, it's growing. Whoever
Speaker 3: made the highway system is an idiot. But other than that, like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: the growth of the city.
Speaker 2: Work in Franklin to twenty minutes to sports Park twenty
Speaker 2: minutes boom. Yeah, and you know, less than six months
Speaker 2: ago I left downtown trying to get down to Franklin
Speaker 2: and took me an hour and a half. Yeah, that's okay,
Speaker 2: I mean, that's all everything's growing, that's crazy freaking everywhere. Yeah. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 2: my son and daughter in law are going a little business.
Speaker 2: They're flipping houses in East Nashville right now. And the
Speaker 2: one they closed on on Friday was when I was
Speaker 2: watching all this stuff go down, you know, the other night,
Speaker 2: and I wasn't thinking about the house. But you know,
Speaker 2: obviously you worry about the people and everybody there. But
Speaker 2: I mean, this thing was just it was teed up
Speaker 2: and lined up, and some reason he got in there
Speaker 2: yesterday and everything was fine. But everybody has done such
Speaker 2: an amazing job in the surrounding areas here, whether it's
Speaker 2: German Town, even West Nashville, and then you know five
Speaker 2: points in East Nashville and Mount Juliet's always just growing.
Speaker 2: And you know this, this mother nature business is not
Speaker 2: going to set it back very long. Now they'll overcome it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because everybody's everybody. Everybody's rallying right now. But
Speaker 2: it's like.
Speaker 3: Business now, mom and pop, business shut down and go
Speaker 3: help out. Yeah, you turn on one of four five.
Speaker 3: I listen to them when I'm when something's going on
Speaker 3: in the city, just to kind of get a vibe
Speaker 3: of what's going on, and I pop that on. In
Speaker 3: the whole day, it's all about the tornado. It's all
Speaker 3: about people going helping other people and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Buck Rising, Yeah, I mean everybody's texting Buck Rising. Shoutout
Speaker 3: Buck Rising.
Speaker 2: He's for the boys.
Speaker 4: He's texting getting in touch with the Chipotle people.
Speaker 1: We were out running around doing something and you're like
Speaker 1: trying to communicate with everybody, Butcher is calling.
Speaker 2: Everybody's just everyone always comes to help.
Speaker 1: Like when our boy, you know, rip Matt Neely, when
Speaker 1: Matt passed away, the entire city in town, when we
Speaker 1: have a tailgate and rally around him. I mean everybody's
Speaker 1: just always helpful around here.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: And then Barstool, I'm waking up in the morning after
Speaker 1: you know, you get woke up by the sirens and
Speaker 1: the storm kind of passes, you go back to sleep.
Speaker 1: By wake up in the morning, it's like five or
Speaker 1: six AM. And Barstool, everybody had been reaching out here.
Speaker 1: We're trying to make sure it's at Nashville Strong, like,
Speaker 1: let's raise money, let's how do we help.
Speaker 2: This whole thing. So it's it's been incredible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you go to a Barstool Sports dot com
Speaker 3: or Bust Withthoys dot com national Strong shirt, all those
Speaker 3: proceeds will go to helping the people that directly affected
Speaker 3: by the tornado.
Speaker 2: When do we go here? Water and yeah, it was
Speaker 2: at the time. Now I think it's obviously changes Nissan,
Speaker 2: but you can see.
Speaker 3: It talked to us about the transition from when you
Speaker 3: got here. So you're you're I think the only coach
Speaker 3: to go through two different locations. Bring up hot in
Speaker 3: Tennessee and then Saint Louis to La.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I moved two franchises. Yeah, I'm the only one.
Speaker 2: Yeah too that's played in five different cities, two franchises
Speaker 2: I worked for and five we played in five different
Speaker 2: cities in six different stadiums.
Speaker 3: So what was it like being at Houston going through
Speaker 3: that transition and bringing it here because you guys got
Speaker 3: here and went to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Well it wasn't as that. It wasn't that easy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: no question, that's what we were. That's looking in people.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So so you know, just my first year as head
Speaker 2: coach was ninety five. So we took our Houston Oiler
Speaker 2: team to Tennessee, to Marysville, right outside of Nashville, to
Speaker 2: practice against the Washington Redskins and training camp. Heath Schuler
Speaker 2: was their number one pick from from University of Tennessee.
Speaker 2: So it was kind of a cool deal. We're gonna
Speaker 2: go in there and have, you know, like people do
Speaker 2: we have, you know, joint practices and things like that.
Speaker 2: And during those during that time the joint practices, I
Speaker 2: found out that we were going to make announcement that
Speaker 2: we were looking into potentially move in the franchise to
Speaker 2: Nashville and state of Tennessee. So that's when I found out.
Speaker 2: So that was ninety five. So went back to Houston
Speaker 2: ninety five and all for all intents and purposes as
Speaker 2: being lame duck in Houston, because I mean it's like
Speaker 2: we were kids in a divorce, okay, and you got
Speaker 2: to walk the fine line, and you know you want it.
Speaker 2: You don't want to trash Houston. You can't go over
Speaker 2: the top on Tennessee because you're still in the fans
Speaker 2: in Houston support you. So anyway, it so we went
Speaker 2: through the ninety five season in Houston, We went through
Speaker 2: the ninety six season in Houston, and then finally in
Speaker 2: ninety seven we move with Emminent and we moved so
Speaker 2: but we moved right down the street here to training camp.
Speaker 2: We had training camp at TSU and we had no facility.
Speaker 2: We had nothing other than a place to have camp.
Speaker 2: So then in ninety seven we played all our games
Speaker 2: in Memphis. So imagine this. Imagine waking up in the
Speaker 2: morning here and having to travel to Memphis for your
Speaker 2: home games.
Speaker 4: You wouldn't go stay in Memphis the night before we did.
Speaker 2: We went down. We went down, and we would fly
Speaker 2: down to Memphis home games. Yeah, it's just you two.
Speaker 2: And then the problem we had a problem that we solve,
Speaker 2: but you know, the home games in Memphis, and it's two,
Speaker 2: one hundred ninety miles whatever, and now what do you
Speaker 2: want to do? You want to hang out after it's
Speaker 2: a home game and with a kid, family and friends
Speaker 2: and stuff and drive back. No, you had to come
Speaker 2: back on the airplane. We couldn't let you drive back.
Speaker 2: Because our owner at the times, bless his heart, and
Speaker 2: I'm forever grateful to him. We figured that if he
Speaker 2: looked at the manifest and saw that we were going
Speaker 2: down with a full team and coming back with nobody,
Speaker 2: then we would end up bussing. Yeah, and so we
Speaker 2: we kind of we had a big tent nearing so
Speaker 2: first year in Memphis, US that didn't go over very well.
Speaker 2: We the second year we moved back here and we
Speaker 2: played at Vanderbilt. So our second season was at Vanderbilt.
Speaker 2: It's much more comfortable, easier, it was, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: And yet we're still we don't have an indoor. We
Speaker 2: have one practice field out in Bellevue. And you know,
Speaker 2: we ended up the year with the last game against
Speaker 2: UH Minnesota, they were fourteen and one go in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: We played them without any practice all week because there
Speaker 2: was an ice storm here, so we didn't even have practice.
Speaker 2: Season ended. We moved into the new stadium. Wow. And
Speaker 2: then you know what better thing for Nashville then moving
Speaker 2: into that new stadium. We were undefeated at home in
Speaker 2: the new stadium with the super Bowl that's only newer one.
Speaker 2: We set the bar pretty hot, set the bar very hot.
Speaker 2: Growing up, I thought were going to get it this
Speaker 2: year in Missouri.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we got go around here a growing up
Speaker 1: in Missouri lost to the Saint Louis Rams.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, we were. I mean obviously Missouri was fired up.
Speaker 3: What was it that ninety five ninety six season when
Speaker 3: you're inevitably going through that divorce with Houston, What was
Speaker 3: the attendance like?
Speaker 2: What was the support like from Well, it was the
Speaker 2: league wanted to make sure that it looked different. It
Speaker 2: looked okay, So you know on the you guys read
Speaker 2: those play by plays after the game. You know it's
Speaker 2: got the starting lineups and you know all that. Well
Speaker 2: up on the top it has attendance. So the right
Speaker 2: next to it, right next to the your your your
Speaker 2: temperature and wind and all that stuff. And it was
Speaker 2: always in that thirty or forty But I promise you
Speaker 2: there was maybe ten thousand and fifteen thousand Lastly, I
Speaker 2: never forget we played Steelers there and Steelers travel obviously
Speaker 2: very well, very well, and it was just one of
Speaker 2: those stealers. I mean, Chris Berman, who's a friend of mine.
Speaker 2: Was you call us the Tennessee Tuxedos or the Houston
Speaker 2: whatever and everything? It was. It was hard and there
Speaker 2: was a there was a lot of politics involved. There
Speaker 2: were lawsuits, and there was a lawsuits there. And then well,
Speaker 2: i'll give you an idea. When we got back from
Speaker 2: Marysville and the announcement was made, we came back and
Speaker 2: we had our fourth and final preseason game in the
Speaker 2: at the Astrodome, and we got out, both teams warmed up,
Speaker 2: and then I get called over to the side and
Speaker 2: I'm told that they're canceling the preseason game because the
Speaker 2: groundskeepers failed to do the conversion. It was a baseball
Speaker 2: baseball converted from baseball to football. They didn't do the
Speaker 2: conversion in the field wasn't safe, neither team could play,
Speaker 2: and they canceled the preseason game. So here comes another lawsuit.
Speaker 2: So you got all this, all this business going on
Speaker 2: in Houston, and then you have to you have to
Speaker 2: get the votes and approve the move here in Nashville
Speaker 2: and raise the money and do you know the private
Speaker 2: money and the public money and all that stuff. So
Speaker 2: there's a referendum and the referendum was NFL Yes referendum.
Speaker 2: So so you got two things going on. You got
Speaker 2: a team, you got a city that just is mad
Speaker 2: and you know, and upset and they're losing their you
Speaker 2: know this framean Ese, the storied franchise, I love you
Speaker 2: blue stuff. And then you have a new city that's
Speaker 2: like come on, come on, come on. And so finally,
Speaker 2: thank thanks to a lot of effort here in Nashville
Speaker 2: and a lot of the older politicians of Brettison's and
Speaker 2: you know Denny board Off if Daniel here that I
Speaker 2: mentioned his name, But these are the guys that were
Speaker 2: behind really the nuts and bolts behind relocating the franchise.
Speaker 2: So it was not an easy deal. I mean I remember, well,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys have crossed paths with
Speaker 2: Al del Greco, but he was our kicker at that time, okay,
Speaker 2: and Al with kick forst in Houston and then he
Speaker 2: moved here with us. Alt had deposits in schools in
Speaker 2: three different places for his kids in Houston in case
Speaker 2: we played there in Birmingham because that's where he's from,
Speaker 2: and then here in Nashville in case we moved. He
Speaker 2: didn't know where we're going to play. And so what
Speaker 2: was the transparency with the players?
Speaker 4: Like you you can yeah, and then you've got to
Speaker 4: be a head coach to everybody. Yeah, I love that stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh no, it's it's just all you just tell them
Speaker 2: them and tell them the truth and tell them this
Speaker 2: is what's happening. And hey, look, you know if you
Speaker 2: go overboard on hey, we don't know, there's no excuses
Speaker 2: we can't. We got to go out and play. It
Speaker 2: got to win games and that I mean, you have
Speaker 2: to do that. You have to dress that. But what
Speaker 2: we were doing, what Floyd and nine the staff were doing,
Speaker 2: is we're putting pretty good team together as we were,
Speaker 2: you know, going through all that mess. When I took
Speaker 2: over as an interim head coach in ninety four, Houston
Speaker 2: was a run and shoot offense. Okay, so that means
Speaker 2: four wides every single snap, had one tight end on
Speaker 2: the roster that was a special teams player, had a
Speaker 2: full back that was a linebacker. And so I took
Speaker 2: over with four or five games left I went, I
Speaker 2: changed from the run and shoot to a conventional offense.
Speaker 2: So with that being said, you understand that that roster
Speaker 2: was built differently than it took time to build the
Speaker 2: roster and I took over. Ninety five was the first
Speaker 2: year of salary cap, so we had limitations. The oilers
Speaker 2: were top and top and payroll in ninety four and
Speaker 2: then ninety five or yeah, no, ninety four was the
Speaker 2: first year. But anyway, we had to reduce our salaries
Speaker 2: to make the cap by eighteen or twenty million dollars
Speaker 2: a ton. That was a lot of money. So we went.
Speaker 2: We had to go through this transition period where we
Speaker 2: had to build the team, right, and so while we're
Speaker 2: doing all this moving and playing Memphis and Vandy all
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff, we're building a team. And obviously
Speaker 2: we put together a pretty good team. Yeah, so many
Speaker 2: moving parts. Yeah, we're going to hold that thought.
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Speaker 3: Going to going to the Super Bowl and playing against
Speaker 3: the Rams who you you ended up coaching. What was
Speaker 3: that super Bowl?
Speaker 2: Like? That was that was also a music City miracle?
Speaker 2: Was that the same year?
Speaker 3: Yes, So let's let's back up, so I'll.
Speaker 2: Take you through the right Okay, take it to the
Speaker 2: we got we opened our season here in the stadium. Okay,
Speaker 2: we we moved into the facility and open the season.
Speaker 2: That's the facility that is there now, the current facility,
Speaker 2: and the guy and that was the That was the
Speaker 2: thing that kept the guys alive because we were working
Speaker 2: out of trailers for two years from ninety five ninety six,
Speaker 2: we were in trailers right down the road in Bellevue,
Speaker 2: right on the interesting. Okay, we imagine that's meeting. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I imagine that happening now in there for two years.
Speaker 2: Wasn't there for two years? It's been so mad, guys,
Speaker 2: I had to call freaking Critter Ridder to get out
Speaker 2: there to move a family of skunks from underneath the trailers.
Speaker 2: You guys getting blasted by skunks. And oh, by the way, offense,
Speaker 2: you guys know you're meeting in the locker room, because
Speaker 2: then the defense is going to meet over here in
Speaker 2: the one room that we had in the trailers, because
Speaker 2: Bud didn't want to put a partition in the trailer
Speaker 2: because he knew that it was temporary. So you guys
Speaker 2: got to set around do your meetings in the law.
Speaker 2: I was a king of saving a dollar. Huh yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah again. I love him. I just you know, he
Speaker 2: gave me the I wish they got the opportunity to
Speaker 2: meet him. Yeah, and guess what, his daughter's pretty good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she's doing an unbelievable Yeah. So anyway, so we go, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we get in there and we finally opened open the stadium.
Speaker 2: I never forget the time, the moment when I took
Speaker 2: the guys into the stadium for the first time. It's
Speaker 2: like whoa, It's like, you know, this is what we've
Speaker 2: been waiting for. We opened against Cincinnati. Jeff Blake is
Speaker 2: the quarterback, and we were down by nine with four
Speaker 2: minutes left to go, and fortunately Jeff Blake had cramped
Speaker 2: up and had couldn't return to the game. I don't
Speaker 2: know if we'd have won that game, but Steve puts
Speaker 2: ten points on the board in four minutes and we
Speaker 2: beat Cincinnati thirty six thirty five something like that to
Speaker 2: start to win our inaugural game in the stadium. We
Speaker 2: went on from there and we were undefeated at home
Speaker 2: and then the place was was it packed the first
Speaker 2: It's just all about it packed and going nuts. So
Speaker 2: we pitched an undefeated record at home. And at that time,
Speaker 2: the Colts won the division and no, I'm sorry, correct,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Jacksonville had won the division. OK, and we
Speaker 2: were a wild card, so we had to go, We
Speaker 2: had to start. We had hosted a wildcard game against Buffalo.
Speaker 2: So that's the music citing. So that's everybody's first playoff game.
Speaker 2: I might have had a handful of guys that had
Speaker 2: playoff experience. That's being generous. So the first playoff game
Speaker 2: is a hard. Playoff is a hard thing. So you
Speaker 2: tell them, hey, look we'll find a way to win.
Speaker 2: The next one's going to get better, the next one's
Speaker 2: going to get better, but this one is going to
Speaker 2: be hard, just because the emotions and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: And sure enough it was hard. I mean, they kicked
Speaker 2: the field goal with sixteen seconds left and we were down.
Speaker 2: And we had been working this play every weekend, every Saturday.
Speaker 2: We worked to play, you know, like you go through
Speaker 2: those things in the walk through every possible. I was
Speaker 2: a scenario guy and all that stuff. So yeah, we
Speaker 2: are we doing this. You guys, we were talking about
Speaker 2: Darren Bates. Darren will tell you that on it. Every
Speaker 2: single Monday, I'll put at least two maybe three punt
Speaker 2: fake cent and a field goal fake in. And those
Speaker 2: guys know that I'm gonna call it. Okay, other places
Speaker 2: you've been, Oh, you'll have your fake and you practice that.
Speaker 2: You know they got coach is never gonna call it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but they know I'm gonna call it. So so they're
Speaker 2: always into that stuff and everything. So prior to the year,
Speaker 2: you guys remember the Stanford Cow game years ago and
Speaker 2: the band and the laterals and everybody's running all right, Well,
Speaker 2: what we had was we had our Stanford Cow team
Speaker 2: and that was the last play of the game. All right,
Speaker 2: you got you're behind, You're gonna get the kickoff. How
Speaker 2: do we get the ball on the end zone? So
Speaker 2: I would take that wouldn't include you guys, unfortunately, no disrespect,
Speaker 2: but I would get all the athletes. I would get
Speaker 2: all the so we go. They would go.
Speaker 1: Hands team at the Raiders and then I would come
Speaker 1: up the field. Hey, white guys, get off the field.
Speaker 2: I had left handed and right handed guys, and our
Speaker 2: deal for years was just to try to keep the
Speaker 2: ball alive and throw it around and later it and
Speaker 2: there was no method to the madness. But that was
Speaker 2: our team back football prior to so right at the
Speaker 2: start of the nine nine season, Alan Lowley' special team
Speaker 2: coach came to me and goes, hey, I found this
Speaker 2: play during the summer, and I go, this is really cool.
Speaker 2: Let's we'll put it in. But let's wait till we
Speaker 2: get down to the ross. Where did he where did
Speaker 2: he find the was a Texas texts like sixties from
Speaker 2: the Texas, a copycats. So he comes in and we
Speaker 2: go through it. So we put our we put our
Speaker 2: we called a home run throwback. So we worked it
Speaker 2: every Saturday and and every Saturday we had our team
Speaker 2: and we take eleven guys usually practice squad guys and they,
Speaker 2: you know, no helmets, and we kicked the ball here
Speaker 2: or there wherever you kick it to anybody. If you're
Speaker 2: a frontline guy to kick off return team, you're the center,
Speaker 2: We're gonna hit the ball to you. What are you
Speaker 2: gonna do it? You got to get it back to Frank, okay,
Speaker 2: or someone's got to get the ball to Frank. So
Speaker 2: every every week, every weekend every Saturday we worked so
Speaker 2: sure ship. We come down to the end of the
Speaker 2: Buffalo game and there's a TV time out after their
Speaker 2: after their field goal, and and Alan walks up to
Speaker 2: me and we simultaneously go home run throwback. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: So now I'm looking for Derek Mason, Okay, because Derek
Speaker 2: Mason is a deep guy. Okay, Derek is out. Okay,
Speaker 2: Derek has a concussion. He's next week someplace. Okay. So
Speaker 2: now number two I'm looking now this during TV time out,
Speaker 2: I'm looking for He's out. Okay. So our number two
Speaker 2: was was Anthony Dorset Junior, and a d was cramping.
Speaker 2: You ever in your career you ever been around a
Speaker 2: teammate that just cramped all the time. That's him.
Speaker 1: There's forty five degrees out there and you just won
Speaker 1: the Yeah, make it look like a bunch of out here,
Speaker 1: So no questions.
Speaker 2: So she's cramping. So Kevin Dyson is I'm yelling Dice
Speaker 2: get over here, and Dice is like, yeah, coach, now, Dice,
Speaker 2: I'd love Kevin. And and Kevin when we got him,
Speaker 2: it was the first round pick out of Utah, Utah
Speaker 2: stay or whatever, and he's he actually liked the californ
Speaker 2: on your kids, like, oh whatever, okay, Yeah, So I'm Kevin, Okay,
Speaker 2: humun throwback, Yeah, coach, I said, we worked at every Saturday.
Speaker 2: I didn't pay attention, I said, Kevin, all you need
Speaker 2: to do well. You had a player tell you, coach.
Speaker 2: I didn't pay attention. She was number he was number three.
Speaker 2: He didn't have to pay attention. I just said, so okay, quick.
Speaker 2: I said, hey, look, whatever happens out there, we're going
Speaker 2: to get the ball to Frank. Okay, and all you do,
Speaker 2: I want you to stay outside the numbers here. These
Speaker 2: numbers pay ten, twenty thirty, and we'll get the ball
Speaker 2: to and stay ten yards behind Frank. I got your coach.
Speaker 2: So the coach house, everybody else had to play down. Okay,
Speaker 2: everybody knew. We all knew. Everybody knew what was going on.
Speaker 2: The only thing that was different was of all the
Speaker 2: kicks we worked on every Saturday during it throughout the season,
Speaker 2: never worked on that particular kick. It was a just
Speaker 2: kind of a just a bloop kick to Lorenzo Neil.
Speaker 2: We would hit him hard here, hit him hard to
Speaker 2: the center, hit him hard to tackle, or hit him
Speaker 2: to the deep. Guy whatever, but that that little blue
Speaker 2: kick with something that was just for whatever reason, never
Speaker 2: worked on. So the ball is kicked on. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: Low catches the ball. Well, Low smart, he doesn't want Frank. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Dyson's over there picking from standing back over here, and
Speaker 2: you'll see here's Low. He catches the ball, all right,
Speaker 2: he's going to get rid of it. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: you hear Frank. You take it. Frank sets it up,
Speaker 2: sells it and comes back. Look at that ten yards
Speaker 2: behind the ball, right, just like we told him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: how about right there, right there, I'm yelling get out
Speaker 2: of bounds because field goal ties. And then I look ahead,
Speaker 2: I go, oh my gosh, the jumping on the left.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you can back it up. But story,
Speaker 2: hang on, hang on, hang talk about this part took
Speaker 2: So this is this is controversial city. Right here. What
Speaker 2: do you think would have what do you think would
Speaker 2: have been called had there been replay? Well there is
Speaker 2: replay there to review. Oh yeah no. The wing official
Speaker 2: right behind Frank on their sideline is Byron bas and
Speaker 2: Byron Boston points a lateral so he points to his right,
Speaker 2: to our right, his left, and I saw that, so
Speaker 2: I knew it was ruled the ladder on the field
Speaker 2: is half the battle. Yeah, so you have to you know,
Speaker 2: so it's ruled the lateral. Now Kevin cleans it. He
Speaker 2: makes the makes the you know, the play here, and
Speaker 2: then he goes so, you know, right about here, I'm
Speaker 2: looking to my left going, oh my gosh, you know, hey,
Speaker 2: we got a chance here. Let's you know, I'm young,
Speaker 2: get out of bounds, Kevin, because field goal gives us
Speaker 2: a chance. And then I said, oh my gosh, here
Speaker 2: we go score. So right here on the left, right
Speaker 2: on the end zone, jumping in the goal line right there,
Speaker 2: that kid right there. Okay, now this is a good story,
Speaker 2: this kid, right, I'm gonna I'm gonna now that we've
Speaker 2: seen that, I'm gonna reference this. But anyway, so the
Speaker 2: ruling on the field is a lateral. They're going to
Speaker 2: go to replay. Okay, so and not now as a coach,
Speaker 2: I'm on the sideline going, okay, do this thing's gonna
Speaker 2: this thing's going to stand. Uh, they can't overturn it.
Speaker 2: It's too close. I have to go for two, okay,
Speaker 2: because this touchdown puts us ahead by five, right, Okay,
Speaker 2: I have to go for two. And I'm thinking, when
Speaker 2: this is announced, there's no way our offensive group would
Speaker 2: be able to execute a play, right, Okay, right, I
Speaker 2: mean you're looking at it and and so you're.
Speaker 3: Sorry because of the emotions and and everything to see
Speaker 3: the miracle that just happened, to have no chance to
Speaker 3: win the game.
Speaker 2: But sixteen seconds, everyone thinks, oh we're fucking done. Well,
Speaker 2: good year. So why this is happening, Okay, this is cool.
Speaker 2: Why this is happening. Bud Adams, our owner is an
Speaker 2: elevator going down. Okay, because the game was over. My
Speaker 2: dad was in the bathroom. He was in he came
Speaker 2: in from California, see the game. He's in the restroom. Okay,
Speaker 2: there's probably sixty five, maybe sixty six thousand people here.
Speaker 2: To this day, there's maybe one hundred thousand people said
Speaker 2: they were there. Yeah, right, And people all over Nashville,
Speaker 2: people all over Nashville, and the intersections are stopped listening
Speaker 2: and getting out of their cars and going nuts, and
Speaker 2: intersections all over and the whole place is going crazy.
Speaker 2: So as as history would have it, I went for
Speaker 2: the extra point. It was good. We went freaking crazy
Speaker 2: on the sideline. We kicked the extra point, kicked the
Speaker 2: ball off because in my mind, what are the odds
Speaker 2: of this happening twice in the same game, you know
Speaker 2: the way, Well, what people fail to bring up is
Speaker 2: after we kicked the ball off to Buffalo, they pitched
Speaker 2: the ball around, they pushed that sucker past midfield and
Speaker 2: the game ended. Yeah that is out. So okay, we
Speaker 2: won our first playoff game. Okay, We're going to Indianapolis
Speaker 2: the next week. So you know, we had our home
Speaker 2: in Franklin, and after after games, I had a group
Speaker 2: of buddies that music music guys and things like that
Speaker 2: would always come over. We would crack red wine and
Speaker 2: and grill and stuff and what they called it celebration stations.
Speaker 2: So I had a bunch of people over after the game. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you had been there. Well remember Mike. You know you've
Speaker 2: met Mike Silver. Yes, Mike Silver was in to cover
Speaker 2: the game, and he was in my kitchen after the game.
Speaker 2: So this little guy there that's jumping up and down, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's my son. He was running polaroids on the sideline
Speaker 2: during the season. Now, back then, you didn't have tablets
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. All you got was like a
Speaker 2: polaroid shot of the formation and then another shot of
Speaker 2: the play beginning. So he's running polaroids to offense defense
Speaker 2: special teams. That was his job on the sideline, and
Speaker 2: he's standing there in the kitchen going, hey there, I
Speaker 2: am there, I am look at me there, I am
Speaker 2: right there. I made TV, I made ESPN. I go too,
Speaker 2: what are you doing in the white and the white?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're supposed to be if you hit the
Speaker 2: official bumped you. This is over. Yeah, doesn't happen. No
Speaker 2: goes something so happy about being on TV to be
Speaker 2: mouth his mouth shut, tears and it was like its
Speaker 2: just the whole kitchen was silent, and I went, no,
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. It would have been assessed on the kickoff. Anyway.
Speaker 2: That's the story. So it's pretty cool. That's bad. Yes,
Speaker 2: so we play today.
Speaker 3: Is still like when you walk into our facility here
Speaker 3: from the players, the players walking to the left.
Speaker 2: It's still drawn up. Oh yeah, how it went down everything? Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it's really good. So we called it home run throwback. Okay,
Speaker 2: everyone in Buffalo, every Buffalo fan since nineteen ninety nine
Speaker 2: to the present, calls it home run throw forward, throw forward. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: for sure. But yeah, so it was with all this
Speaker 2: stuff going on in the league now in the hundred
Speaker 2: years and everything, in all the hundred plays, this was
Speaker 2: the second the top. It was number two in playoff
Speaker 2: history to the Immaculate Reception. Yeah. So anyway, yeah, it
Speaker 2: was cool stuff. So this was and you can imagine
Speaker 2: what the locker room was like. And I mean Tim McGraw,
Speaker 2: everybody's in the logo going freaking nuts. And so now
Speaker 2: we got to go to Indy. So we go to
Speaker 2: Indy and we got to beat the Colts and then
Speaker 2: there was a couple of cool stories up there. And
Speaker 2: we beat the Colts and we came back from Indy
Speaker 2: and got off the plane and went through that airport
Speaker 2: and you guys have gotten off if you bust or whatever,
Speaker 2: but we didn't. We we came through the terminal and
Speaker 2: came down. It was thousands of people in the terminal.
Speaker 2: That's so cool. And now we got to go to Jacksonville. Okay,
Speaker 2: Jacksonville won our division. Jacksonville. And when I said Jacksonville,
Speaker 2: you just got the funny. Okay, I get it. We
Speaker 2: started it. Okay, So Jacksonville's fourteen and two. Okay, they
Speaker 2: had a week off. All right. They just pounded the
Speaker 2: Miami Dolphins sixty something to nothing or thereabouts in the
Speaker 2: first round of playoffs, sixty two to seven. Okay, sixty
Speaker 2: two to seven Marinos last game. Okay, guys, this memory
Speaker 2: checks us pretty good. I like it. It was pretty impressive. Boys,
Speaker 2: the boys are okay. So well, now we're going to
Speaker 2: go to Jacksonville. All right, but here's the here's the
Speaker 2: stuff behind the scenes. This was the last time that
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl was one week after the championship game.
Speaker 2: There's not two weeks. Okay, so we're going down to Jacksonville.
Speaker 2: We we and two days before we go to play
Speaker 2: in the championship AFC Championship Game, we got to send
Speaker 2: people to Atlanta, our advanced people to Atlanta because if
Speaker 2: we win, we're going to be the next day. It's
Speaker 2: not like you got a week and all this kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. It's like, right, you win the game to
Speaker 2: so and I credit the organization because it was the
Speaker 2: last time and they had done that work and we're prepared.
Speaker 2: We've got a team there. But so anyway, I find
Speaker 2: out that Jacksonville's crew was in Atlanta, kind of like
Speaker 2: you know what, Hey, you know, coach Coughlin wants it
Speaker 2: like this, so we don't really care how you want it,
Speaker 2: you know. And so the assumption was they're going to
Speaker 2: win the game before we've even played the game. And
Speaker 2: the reason being is they were fourteen and two. Their
Speaker 2: only two losses came to us. We went down there
Speaker 2: and beat them, and we beat them at home. Sounds
Speaker 2: sounds very familiar. Yeah, it sounds about right. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: who's gonna you know, who in their right mind thinks
Speaker 2: that we're gonna They're going to lose three games this year,
Speaker 2: all to us.
Speaker 4: Okay, so especially come off sixty two seven.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and here we are. We've been you know,
Speaker 2: we had the emotional game at home. Now we go
Speaker 2: on the road to Indiing. Now we've got to go
Speaker 2: down there. We go down there and we beat them.
Speaker 3: So fourteen, I mean, that's a nice winter, which is like,
Speaker 3: have you played Jacksonville in December?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always hard because you're going and you're playing
Speaker 2: these cold weather games. You're not used to the heat.
Speaker 3: When you go down of Jacksonville and it's like September
Speaker 3: and Tennessee, it's that's a that's a tough place.
Speaker 2: To play. Yeah, it's always there's so much, so many
Speaker 2: good stories and underlying things between the rivalry. But so
Speaker 2: we go down there and beat them. Now, now we're
Speaker 2: going to super Bowl. This is Sunday, late afternoon, and
Speaker 2: we got to fly back here. We get on buses
Speaker 2: at the at the airport and we bring the buses
Speaker 2: right and as we were coming around from the airport
Speaker 2: to the stadium it was Adelphia at the time, Nissan Stadium,
Speaker 2: we could see ourselves, our buses on the Jumbo Tron
Speaker 2: pulling in and we got out. Both the whole team
Speaker 2: got out of the buses and we walked onto the
Speaker 2: field and there's thirty forty thousand fans. They're going nuts
Speaker 2: because we're going to the super Bowl. So we did that,
Speaker 2: and then we come back to Baptist Sports Park it
Speaker 2: was called, and we have a meeting because I got
Speaker 2: I mean, it's the guys, are you know this is
Speaker 2: a post game off the airplane meeting about what you
Speaker 2: got to do between now and noon tomorrow because we're
Speaker 2: going to the super Bowl tomorrow afternoon. You imagine how
Speaker 2: fast it turnaround. So I left the coaching staff behind,
Speaker 2: went down with the players. A team left the coaches
Speaker 2: to game plan and their offices Monday and Tuesday. They
Speaker 2: came back, came down Tuesday night and we started our
Speaker 2: practice routine on Wednesday in Atlanta had just suffered an
Speaker 2: ice storm, so we practiced. We had our Super Bowl
Speaker 2: practices were at Georgia Tech outside on the aster turf
Speaker 2: on a frozen slipping everywhere on a field.
Speaker 3: So do you do you even think to yourself made
Speaker 3: maybe not even practice with a guy slips.
Speaker 2: We had to get our work done. But we had
Speaker 2: played the Rams once before. We beat the Rams at home,
Speaker 2: uh and during the season, and so there was familiarity.
Speaker 2: But the issues that we had was we lost our
Speaker 2: We lost our starting free safety in the in the
Speaker 2: Jacksonville in the championship game, and then in the game
Speaker 2: it's in the Super Bowl itself, we lost playing Bishop,
Speaker 2: who you're familiar with, yes to injury, and I ended
Speaker 2: up with you know, third safeties, and it was just
Speaker 2: it was all those things that happened. But yeah, it
Speaker 2: was a great run. It was a great run, and
Speaker 2: it still came down to one yard. Yeah, yard and
Speaker 2: a half, dude, that was nuts.
Speaker 4: The greatest show on turf. Marshall Fulk the fall crowd.
Speaker 2: Coming out of the backfield unbelievable. Yeah, and we you know,
Speaker 2: obviously we were down at halftime and and we played
Speaker 2: tried to play their game the first half and the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl halftimes fore like three hours, and so we
Speaker 2: kind of got ourselves together and got back to what
Speaker 2: we what got us there, which was which was you
Speaker 2: guys up front and Eddie we just had to do.
Speaker 2: So we got that going again. And so this is like, guy,
Speaker 2: your your guys, this is the final play right here
Speaker 2: to dice Mike Jones. Oh my god, Mike Jones tackle.
Speaker 4: I know, like, uh, maybe the best tackle in the
Speaker 4: history of the game.
Speaker 2: I think it was.
Speaker 4: There's like some show where they did the top one
Speaker 4: hundred ship.
Speaker 2: So that was it. And you know, Eddie's Eddie's check
Speaker 2: and he's he's releasing on the bottom, Frank And anyway,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to did you. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: throw anybody under the bus. I didn't watch this game
Speaker 2: for like ten years. Really, Yeah. I finally watched it
Speaker 2: because I was doing some I had to do something
Speaker 2: on it. Who was wide open? Well, no, the you
Speaker 2: can imagine you got eleven guys in the last play
Speaker 2: of the Super Bowl and you know, yeah, all eleven
Speaker 2: have to do the right thing right and uh and
Speaker 2: you know, it just wasn't executed the way we wanted to.
Speaker 2: But anyway we got out of the yard, I think
Speaker 2: we had to be executed it properly. We may have
Speaker 2: walked in so and then of course I was asking,
Speaker 2: that's tacklet it's a great it's a great tackle. So
Speaker 2: and then I was asked, okay, you know, would you
Speaker 2: would you a J. Brown agent never gets tackled by
Speaker 2: the first guy and he's a rookie. You score your
Speaker 2: your down one extra point ties it? And I was asked,
Speaker 2: what do you do? And you know, would you're gone
Speaker 2: for two? And all that the way the way that
Speaker 2: well you got to take the point, the way the
Speaker 2: momentum had changed. I mean, Kevin Carter and their whole
Speaker 2: defense was dead tired. I mean they were they were done,
Speaker 2: you know, because we had put that together. Two freaking
Speaker 2: amazing drives. There's so many plays on this drive. I mean,
Speaker 2: if you want to know anything about Steve McNair, you know,
Speaker 2: I think about every day you watch this drive, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really cool, people up going down, the
Speaker 2: field around shedding people. Boy is just people's strong beast.
Speaker 2: I mean you talk. You said something about Eddie. I
Speaker 2: mean Steve and Eddie were like they were the dudes.
Speaker 3: And they were kind of like a ying and yang, right,
Speaker 3: Eddie was the misser, always suited and booted, very proper,
Speaker 3: took care of it. We'll never be walking out beer gut,
Speaker 3: hanging out having a couple of beers after the game. Yes,
Speaker 3: like kind of like a Ben Roethlisberger type seeing it.
Speaker 2: Steve was. We could go hours on Steve. But yeah,
Speaker 2: you guys are awesome. So look at this stuff. That's all.
Speaker 2: Stuff just goes to Dyson. Look at that I kept
Speaker 2: a drive alive.
Speaker 1: Are there any other plays in the game that you
Speaker 1: think about besides the execution of that last play that
Speaker 1: you're like, Man, if I would have if we would
Speaker 1: have called this like sometimes like you.
Speaker 4: Know, like when you mess up, Like if I would
Speaker 4: have just fucking moved this way that.
Speaker 2: I know I should have moved, I don't would have
Speaker 2: made That's a great question. I just think in general terms,
Speaker 2: I think we've got a little derailed in the first
Speaker 2: half because we got we're playing the greatest show on turf,
Speaker 2: and I think offensively, we wanted to show that we
Speaker 2: could throw it around a little bit too, and we
Speaker 2: got away from what got us there, and I was
Speaker 2: pissed at halftime, and I just said, Hey, this is
Speaker 2: how we're going to get back.
Speaker 3: You you don't seem like this kind of guy, but
Speaker 3: there is definitely a battle of egos when you go
Speaker 3: to play another team that's the greatest show on turf,
Speaker 3: the greatest offense to ever be, the type of thing.
Speaker 3: And and like you said, you kind of like.
Speaker 2: It's football and your strengths versus their strengths and how
Speaker 2: do you get them to do something that they're not
Speaker 2: good at and vice versa and all that. But you know,
Speaker 2: I just felt like if we have any chance to
Speaker 2: win this game, particularly because of the injuries that we'd
Speaker 2: had in the game and in the championship game, we're
Speaker 2: down to third and four safeties, you know, and so
Speaker 2: you know, I just felt like we need to get
Speaker 2: this Eddie. Eddie will take this game over, and we
Speaker 2: need to handle he was so so we did and
Speaker 2: we got back, and you know, it made it a
Speaker 2: great game. But yeah, so so game's over. I don't
Speaker 2: I can't find Dick coach for mill because all the stuff.
Speaker 2: And so I did have a kind of a little
Speaker 2: moment with Steve there. It's that I've never and I won't,
Speaker 2: so don't ask, but it was he and Steve and
Speaker 2: I in a moment there on the field. And then
Speaker 2: I went in and you know, it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, I watch Super bowls now and they're sympathetic
Speaker 2: to you know, the one team wins, the one team loses,
Speaker 2: and you know, it's it's not an easy thing. So
Speaker 2: in the locker room and the doors shut and we're
Speaker 2: kind of putting things in perspective as best you can
Speaker 2: an emotional thing, and so it is just it's just
Speaker 2: that emotion is something that you don't feel. You feel
Speaker 2: once in a lifetime maybe, but so anyway, we're going
Speaker 2: through it, and you know, guys start clearing out and everything,
Speaker 2: and so now now it's time for me to do
Speaker 2: my press conference. So I walk out and I get
Speaker 2: up on the podium and I see my family and
Speaker 2: there and my kids are I can see them there
Speaker 2: with Julie, and my kids are crying because their dad
Speaker 2: just lost the Super Bowl. So I'm answering questions and
Speaker 2: things like that, and then immediate meetly to my left,
Speaker 2: this guy says, excuse me, coach, and I'm kind of
Speaker 2: looking at him, and he goes, you got to take
Speaker 2: this call. And this is a bizarre request when you're
Speaker 2: doing a postgame press conference. And I said, what do
Speaker 2: you mean call? And I looked and our media relations
Speaker 2: director goes like that. I go, well, who is it?
Speaker 2: He goes, this is the vice president and I go, well,
Speaker 2: what vice president? And he goes, vice President Al Gore.
Speaker 2: He wants to talk to the United States Yeah, and
Speaker 2: I go yeah, I go okay, I go, hello, Hi,
Speaker 2: this is Jeff You go, coach man, what a great
Speaker 2: game because he was Tennessee guy and just and he's
Speaker 2: going nuts. I go, excuse me, sir, but we lost,
Speaker 2: you know, I know, but he was the best game.
Speaker 2: I'm so proud of you guys. What a great ding.
Speaker 2: I going, oh, thank you, thank you very much. So
Speaker 2: I thought that was really cool. I finished the press conference,
Speaker 2: go in the locker room. Everybody's kind of working their
Speaker 2: way out. I got both my boys in there, and
Speaker 2: I'm showering, changing and and getting ready to get my bag.
Speaker 2: And these guys come in with these freaking ear pieces
Speaker 2: and stuff, and he excuse me, coach, you need to
Speaker 2: come with us, and you need to take a phone
Speaker 2: call out here. I go, look, I've already done the
Speaker 2: phone call thing and he goes, he goes, no, you
Speaker 2: need to come take this call. And go, well, who's
Speaker 2: calling now and he goes it's the president and then
Speaker 2: president the president. So it's like all of us. I said, Okay,
Speaker 2: come on, guys, let's go, and they go they can't,
Speaker 2: they can't. I go, no, they're coming. My boys are
Speaker 2: coming with me. So anyway, it was it was President Clinton,
Speaker 2: and the same thing was what a great game. I
Speaker 2: watched him in the Oval office and da da da da,
Speaker 2: and you guys should be so proud, and we'll thank you,
Speaker 2: miss President. If you're ever in Washington, come on by man.
Speaker 2: You know, I love to have you there and show
Speaker 2: you around and all this kind of stuff and that,
Speaker 2: No you didn't I didn't know. The rams went well, yeah,
Speaker 2: but no, hey, he's just there, you know what. The
Speaker 2: same day, no one told me. Yeah. But but so
Speaker 2: with all these things, easy, don't piss off. He's going
Speaker 2: to cover anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So the next day we have our party and we
Speaker 2: we you know, we blow out there and come on back,
Speaker 2: and it was it took a week to just just
Speaker 2: because it was such a blur. It was so fast. Again,
Speaker 2: it was one week, you know, we just had no time,
Speaker 2: and then two weeks. I don't know, you know, Tell,
Speaker 2: I don't know if the outcome would have been different,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I know the experience would have
Speaker 2: been different because it was such a rush and the
Speaker 2: weather was so bad in Atlanta, and you know, all
Speaker 2: these things were going on. Ray was Ray was Ray
Speaker 2: Lewis had his deal, you know, and so there's a
Speaker 2: lot of distractions going on. And so we get back,
Speaker 2: come back Monday, Tuesday, we have this prey, okay, and
Speaker 2: it's a prey and it is every all the players,
Speaker 2: and we're buzz around Nashville and Broadway and everything and
Speaker 2: fans just you can imagine. It was like the draft
Speaker 2: or it's like a freaking Pred's playoff game. But they
Speaker 2: were just all over the place. So we get to
Speaker 2: that and it's all over. We get back to the
Speaker 2: facility and I'm sitting in the facility in my office
Speaker 2: and Eddie walks in then sits down and what are
Speaker 2: you doing? Man, I thought, you're he's on your way
Speaker 2: to Why not going? I can't go, No, Eddie, you're
Speaker 2: not going to the Pro Bowl. And he goes, He goes, no, man,
Speaker 2: I'm just not into it. I don't want to go.
Speaker 2: I can't go. I go, Eddie, way wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 2: wit you're voted to the Pro Bowl by your peers,
Speaker 2: by the fans. By this, you need to go to
Speaker 2: the Pro Bowl. You need to have a freaking peanut
Speaker 2: Colada and practice, you know, and you've never done that
Speaker 2: in your life. That's why you can do that. You
Speaker 2: can have a cocktail and go practice and stuff. And
Speaker 2: and he goes, no, man, I go Eddie, what's up?
Speaker 2: He goes, I want to start on next year right now?
Speaker 2: He want to go to Pro Bowl. But that gives
Speaker 2: you the mindset of that team, and it was cool.
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Speaker 2: Now back to this Banger Fisher episode. So then we
Speaker 2: come back the next year and have a better team,
Speaker 2: and then it was not a good ending this season.
Speaker 2: We lost the Ravens and they didn't get a first
Speaker 2: down in the second in the second half, and you know,
Speaker 2: we blocked two punts in the game. We had to
Speaker 2: we come back the two thousand Titans I think were
Speaker 2: better than the ninety nine Titans, and we had the
Speaker 2: week off, we had home field too out and we
Speaker 2: blocked two punts in the game. Both of them went
Speaker 2: as a special team of both of them went sideways
Speaker 2: out of bounds. Fuck.
Speaker 4: And usually when you block one, like the scoring or
Speaker 4: what blull.
Speaker 2: Boom out of bounce. Chris Colmen blocked them both and
Speaker 2: then I don't think they got a first down second
Speaker 2: half and Eddie Eddie took his eye off a check down,
Speaker 2: the ball bounced off her shoulder right was caught it
Speaker 2: running for a touchdow Oh yeah, but anyway it was
Speaker 2: it was a really really thanks to letting me share.
Speaker 2: It was really cool run. Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: We had a kittle on the other day and Taylor
Speaker 1: asked the question, would you have rather well, was it
Speaker 1: not make the playoffs?
Speaker 2: You would you rather go to the super Bowl and
Speaker 2: lose or not make the playoffs at all?
Speaker 1: Emotionally not like Okay, it's gonna send you for next year,
Speaker 1: and he said he said, did he kind of dance
Speaker 1: around the question.
Speaker 2: Soon to ask you question. It's I don't know.
Speaker 3: Going to the Super Bowl is an experience of its own.
Speaker 3: Like you said, very few people get to like if
Speaker 3: you even if you're a guy that's bounced around for
Speaker 3: eight years, but you've been to the super Bowl, like
Speaker 3: that guy's he's got something you can learn from and
Speaker 3: so that's definitely an experience. I think it's different for
Speaker 3: guys like would you rather like go to the divisional
Speaker 3: round or not go to the playoffs at all. Like
Speaker 3: for me, it's like, well, I mean it's I mean,
Speaker 3: it's good because it's good for the community, it's good
Speaker 3: for the city and stuff like that, and you want
Speaker 3: to make the playoffs. But a lot of guys would
Speaker 3: sit there and say, you know, you're taking two bigs
Speaker 3: vacation away from me, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 3: the pay is not the same.
Speaker 4: Emotionally what I mean, what would you go super Bowl
Speaker 4: and lose or not make the playoffs?
Speaker 2: Oh? No, you go to super Bowl and lose? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you have to go. Yeah, I mean you're when all
Speaker 2: the dust settles, man, and you're you've retired in ten
Speaker 2: years or whatever after that's what you think about. You
Speaker 2: got to go playing about that run. There's something that
Speaker 2: can never take away from you as you got to
Speaker 2: play in the super Bowl, you know, and then to
Speaker 2: win a super Bowl and then to one. You know,
Speaker 2: it's like I'm real close with Chris Long and you know, Chris,
Speaker 2: you know, never would have thought you'd go to New
Speaker 2: England and do it and then come back and next
Speaker 2: year and got Philly and England doing it, yeah, and
Speaker 2: it's just she was just yeah. But side notes, Chris,
Speaker 2: most funny ever had was playing with us at the Rams.
Speaker 1: But speaking of having most fun we've had somebody sitting
Speaker 1: out in the parking lot the whole time while he's
Speaker 1: been on here.
Speaker 2: Who's that dB? Oh yeah, it's them to come crashing
Speaker 2: pie and come say what's up to coach? Yeah, tell
Speaker 2: them to come by.
Speaker 4: You want to go back out bring him the back
Speaker 4: just so we don't so, I mean.
Speaker 2: I feel like we can have you one stories.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the ego thing, you're like, oh, you don't
Speaker 1: see like this type of guy. I have a I
Speaker 1: have an ego story about Coach Fisher when he was
Speaker 1: on the Rams.
Speaker 2: When he picked two of her all at the Great Robinson.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, we'll talk about that too, but uh,
Speaker 1: it was the trade with RG and then they came.
Speaker 1: This was my second year and I had just like
Speaker 1: I was on. I was basically like you know, special
Speaker 1: teams backup all year and then I think Perry Rayler
Speaker 1: or one of our linebackers got hurt. And at the
Speaker 1: end of the year I got to start like three
Speaker 1: games in the row, and one of my starts was
Speaker 1: against the Rams and shout out the boy I had
Speaker 1: like fifteen tackles. I was like so stoked with my
Speaker 1: dad afterwards.
Speaker 4: But anyway, he comes out and we the Redskins had
Speaker 4: traded away, like how many picks for r G.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about? How many picks? Was it? Well,
Speaker 2: they gave up, we give up the number they give
Speaker 2: up the number of picks two ones, two and one. Okay,
Speaker 2: all these picks right for Well, that's how we built
Speaker 2: the Rams. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he says.
Speaker 1: He trolls this by sending all the picks they traded
Speaker 1: because RG wasn't working out that year for the Redskins.
Speaker 1: That was kind of when he was on his outs
Speaker 1: with the Redskins. And he sends all the picks out
Speaker 1: to the middle of the field as captains, all the
Speaker 1: picks that they drafted that they sent him out as captains.
Speaker 2: See, you guys didn't know that until it was over,
Speaker 2: did you? Because that's what I was I was told
Speaker 2: because because Daniel Snyder and Bruce Allen, none of those
Speaker 2: guys knew until after ye And it was cool, And
Speaker 2: I'm on, I take credit for things, and then I
Speaker 2: give credit where credit is due and Chris Long came
Speaker 2: to me, you know, after or before warm ups or
Speaker 2: after warm ups, and said, hey, dude, he goes, do
Speaker 2: you ever think about sending all the all the guys
Speaker 2: we got from n r G three trade out his
Speaker 2: captains to go. That's the hell of an idea that
Speaker 2: Chris Chris shout. So I go, I'm going through the
Speaker 2: locker room. You know he wasn't, So no, I got
Speaker 2: to go. I gotta make it here, like I got
Speaker 2: to make a phone call and uh and uh, and
Speaker 2: I find out who's on the roster and who was
Speaker 2: still there and active. So I sent the guys out
Speaker 2: for the coun That's awesome. But I had to tell
Speaker 2: a Rider after the game. I think that do we
Speaker 2: shut you guys out that game? Maybe because we had
Speaker 2: I was still to be out there playing. Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 2: We had back to back shutouts when I was in
Speaker 2: Saint Louis search that up and we shut the RAG.
Speaker 2: I think we shut the Raiders out at home in
Speaker 2: Saint Louis and then we.
Speaker 4: Went there and it might have been like twenty three nothing, But.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I had back to back shutouts, which is pretty
Speaker 2: hard to do. Yeah, but yeah, so yeah, so I did. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we did that. We sent all the guys out there
Speaker 2: and it was fun. I mean, I think Daniel loved it.
Speaker 2: He he you know, he loved he loves that stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it was just kind of the stuff that we
Speaker 2: used to do back then. It was kind of cool.
Speaker 3: So you brief, you really imagine something telling that story.
Speaker 3: And I'll Rich Rodriguez was my first coach at the
Speaker 3: University of Michigan when I first got there, and then
Speaker 3: he gets he got fired, and then the coach that
Speaker 3: came in.
Speaker 2: Was Bretty Hope and the first year Brady Hook was there.
Speaker 3: We went to the Sugar Bowl and they asked which
Speaker 3: Rodorriguez about it, and he's like, he said, it's like
Speaker 3: making all the ingredients for a cake and then he
Speaker 3: let some other guy put it in the oven. Right,
Speaker 3: And so you said something about putting the Rams together?
Speaker 3: Does that when you watch the Rams go on the run?
Speaker 3: They did not this past year, but the two years
Speaker 3: before that. Is there a sense of pride or disappointment
Speaker 3: that you weren't there or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a great question. I thank you. You welcome question. Yeah,
Speaker 2: answer it, so thank you. You know, it was. Obviously
Speaker 2: it's disappointing, but I've been in the league long enough,
Speaker 2: and I was so fortunate to have been a head
Speaker 2: coach for twenty years, and at some point you're going
Speaker 2: to get fired, and so you know, you roll the
Speaker 2: dice the longer you're in it. And so I worked
Speaker 2: really really hard to put that roster together and knew
Speaker 2: that we were very close and had just drafted Jai
Speaker 2: and Ya and I played Jared the last four games
Speaker 2: not even thinking, not even concerned about I didn't care
Speaker 2: about myself. All I wanted to do was make a
Speaker 2: commitment to the owner, build a team as best I could,
Speaker 2: and put the right group of players together and and
Speaker 2: sustain it. Yeah, okay, you can put players together now
Speaker 2: for a year, but but the challenge is sustaining things.
Speaker 2: And so I felt like we were building with the
Speaker 2: trades and this, and then that we traded obviously to
Speaker 2: you guys with John uh and got Jared, trade up,
Speaker 2: got Jared, and we were moving the right and then
Speaker 2: it didn't didn't happen. So but I knew what was there,
Speaker 2: and I knew that they were gonna they were gonna
Speaker 2: be really good. So you asked your question. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: was happy for them. I'm happy for the players and
Speaker 2: happy for most of the staff. I mean, in this world,
Speaker 2: that's you learn about forgetting, for forgiveness and you know,
Speaker 2: and stuff, but rejection sometimes trump's forgiveness and you know,
Speaker 2: so you're you're gonna be or whatever it is. But
Speaker 2: I was really happy for the guys and it didn't
Speaker 2: surprise me that they got there. The concern I have
Speaker 2: and the concern that they should have, is sustaining. I
Speaker 2: don't think and I'll say this to the to whoever's
Speaker 2: making decisions there, I don't think they made the right
Speaker 2: decisions over the last couple of years to sustain. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's I think you'll see that over the next
Speaker 2: couple of years.
Speaker 3: Well, there's a lot of things you can do to
Speaker 3: sustain I think just my agency m c A and
Speaker 3: they're the best agency.
Speaker 2: Shout to sea. They're they're unbelievable. And they have guys
Speaker 2: that used to do cap.
Speaker 3: Stuff for other teams with gams for the teams that
Speaker 3: now work with them and kind of work on negotiations
Speaker 3: on the other side. And they say that one thing
Speaker 3: that the Philadelphia Eagles do really well is they set
Speaker 3: up guys contracts to where like if you if you're
Speaker 3: you know, your CAP's not that great, you can convert
Speaker 3: into signing boats and then that saves you x amount
Speaker 3: of cap dollars and they got mixed minimum that year.
Speaker 3: And so there's a lot of ways around, like the
Speaker 3: salary cap to make sure you can sustain those.
Speaker 2: Guys on the team. And there's two. There's you have two.
Speaker 2: You have two ways of building. Your team wants to draft,
Speaker 2: the others through free agency, and you have to use both.
Speaker 2: And the draft is you guys, hear this. So everybody
Speaker 2: makes draft mistakes. I mean, yes, we made a mistake. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll talk about that, Okay, you know, but that those
Speaker 2: things happen, but you have to have a plan and
Speaker 2: you have to be able to look ahead two or
Speaker 2: three years. And now things are going to get all
Speaker 2: kicked out of whack because of a current an injury
Speaker 2: or some kind of problem or something like that or
Speaker 2: somebody did. But if you have a plan, buy and large,
Speaker 2: you can you can plug things in and make adjustments
Speaker 2: in here and stay competitive, you know, and you know
Speaker 2: I see that with John Robinson and you guys, I
Speaker 2: mean I was so jacked for you guys. I mean
Speaker 2: I came to this. I came to the Indianapolis game
Speaker 2: early September. I don't think your point. And that was
Speaker 2: the loss. And that was when they we retired Steve
Speaker 2: and Eddie's jersey, and I just there was something missing,
Speaker 2: you know, But we'll realized what it was, what what
Speaker 2: was missing and what they went to and and I'm
Speaker 2: not talking about Marcus per Se, but I'm talking about
Speaker 2: just you guys rocking forward a little bit and running
Speaker 2: the football. It's a big two. And which is a
Speaker 2: question I have is what's he like in the huntle
Speaker 2: What what is he? What's what's he like in the hunt?
Speaker 2: Derek is studd He's a complete study. What Derek is
Speaker 2: very happy, go lucky during the week, and he's especially
Speaker 2: if it has a good game. You can tell he's
Speaker 2: got a smile on his face. But when it comes
Speaker 2: to games like we'll have a couple I bring up
Speaker 2: there's a play action play that we have. Then I
Speaker 2: have to I'm going out to the end, but and
Speaker 2: we're all kind of running to the left and then
Speaker 2: we set up so the quarterback can set up. But
Speaker 2: I have to help the guard at first and Dixon
Speaker 2: was having outside So if ever in a time out
Speaker 2: in that play is called, I'm always like, hey, Derek,
Speaker 2: you make sure and he's like, listen, I fucking got it.
Speaker 2: Like he is.
Speaker 3: He is so locked in, will not smile, has an
Speaker 3: attitude about him. He'll run the ball for four The
Speaker 3: best way to describe Derek is the last game of
Speaker 3: the season, there really wasn't a thought of, like, let's
Speaker 3: get the rushing title because there were so many yards
Speaker 3: to get. But he goes in the first half of
Speaker 3: the game he had sixty three yards rushing, which is
Speaker 3: not bad at all. I mean, you double that, yere
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty six yards. That's a good game,
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. I'm on a roll today and
Speaker 3: we get a halftime, he's fucking pissed. He's like, what
Speaker 3: can we do better? Like, if you guys just get
Speaker 3: this block, I swear to God, I'll get through. And
Speaker 3: he's got that from what I've heard about Eddie George
Speaker 3: when he was there, He's got that mentality that he
Speaker 3: knows he can change a game whenever he has the
Speaker 3: ball in his hands, and he absolutely can't. He's got
Speaker 3: the breakaway speed, not the first guy I can ever
Speaker 3: tackle him. I'm very impressed with him and how he
Speaker 3: holds himself in a game because he's never too high
Speaker 3: and too low. It's always stay right on course and basically,
Speaker 3: fuck you, you're not going to tackle me right.
Speaker 2: And that's exactly how he's impressive. That's how how Eddie was.
Speaker 2: I mean, I remember, you know, I got so many memories.
Speaker 2: But you know, we're inside it two minutes and it's
Speaker 2: third and seven and we get the first down. We
Speaker 2: kneeled games over, you know, and Jacksonville used our last
Speaker 2: time out, and here we go. When we're standing a sideline,
Speaker 2: I go, hey, look, I'm Eddie and Steve are standing
Speaker 2: looking at I. I got options. You can put it
Speaker 2: on your hip and get what you can, you know,
Speaker 2: and get down think thing rolling and we'll pull it away,
Speaker 2: or you know, I can give it to you. He
Speaker 2: goes give it to me, and he looks across. He
Speaker 2: goes third and seven. He goes, I got you ten.
Speaker 2: You're good with that? He goes, yep, you got ten.
Speaker 2: But and so the one thing I mean, and if
Speaker 2: I got any messages that you could take back to
Speaker 2: Derek is man spend as much time as you can
Speaker 2: with that, with that big boy two seven, because Eddie
Speaker 2: understood what it took in the off season, he got it.
Speaker 2: He was way ahead of his time time, you know.
Speaker 2: And it was I mean, he and the great ones
Speaker 2: do that. The Jerry Rice's and all the ones that
Speaker 2: I've been fortunate to be around, understand that as you
Speaker 2: get older, you have to work harder just to maintain,
Speaker 2: not to get not to to get better, just to maintain. Now,
Speaker 2: if you want to get better, then you got to
Speaker 2: work even harder. And that's how Eddie was. I mean,
Speaker 2: Eddie had that relentless thing. I'll take you back. We
Speaker 2: opened our inaugural season in Tennessee was in Memphis against
Speaker 2: the Oakland Raiders in Memphis, Tennessee early September, and we
Speaker 2: won an overtime game and Eddie had over two hundred
Speaker 2: yards rushing and he went and got ivy at end
Speaker 2: of regulation, came back out and we pounded them in
Speaker 2: a ninety five one hundred degree day in Memphis, and
Speaker 2: the Raiders wilted because they had just come off a
Speaker 2: training camp in Napa. Yeah, okay, And we knew that,
Speaker 2: we knew it was in our favor. Okay, so Eddie's
Speaker 2: got two hundred and eleven or two hundred and twenty,
Speaker 2: whatever the whatever it is in Memphis. On Sunday we
Speaker 2: come back to Bellevue. I'm looking out of my trailer
Speaker 2: window and Eddie's running freaking hundreds the day after. That's
Speaker 2: that definitely, that sounds They have a lot of similar
Speaker 2: and that's that's the difference. And that's what And you know,
Speaker 2: some people need to be told that, and some people
Speaker 2: figure it out and get it on their figure it
Speaker 2: on their own. But that's where that's where if Derek
Speaker 2: wants to be the guy that which he is now,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just you know, yeah, you know, I
Speaker 2: was a dB in the league tackling that dude, that's like,
Speaker 2: that's like freaking bouncing your forehead off of frozen truck bumper.
Speaker 2: You know, not fun. And that's what you guys build
Speaker 2: around that ship. It's old school and and no one
Speaker 2: in the on any of you.
Speaker 3: I think I think Derek, I mean definitely, Derek was
Speaker 3: easily arguably the top running back this year, the most
Speaker 3: yards I think with running backs always sustaining, how many
Speaker 3: years can you do that? Because people say that to
Speaker 3: me you only have so many carries in you. And
Speaker 3: one thing I noticed about Derek is he doesn't really
Speaker 3: get tired. He doesn't he genetics or whatever it is.
Speaker 3: He works his ass off, but he's one of those
Speaker 3: guys that he's not the best. He's pissed off about it.
Speaker 3: And so he's he's definitely a great teammate and he's
Speaker 3: he's awesome to be around. He sat in that same
Speaker 3: chair he was here. We had him on what four
Speaker 3: or five weeks ago, four or five weeks ago, and
Speaker 3: he was sitting there and he had a conversation with Eddie.
Speaker 3: When he first he got he was a starter, and
Speaker 3: then he ended up being benched for Dion and these
Speaker 3: his words, not mine, but did happen. And he said
Speaker 3: he told Eddie and he talked to him, and Eddie
Speaker 3: was straightforward with him and said, you're not running hard enough.
Speaker 3: You're you're not like it doesn't seem like you want it,
Speaker 3: or I'm sure trying to do too much, those types.
Speaker 2: Of you're trying to be a two hundred pound back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, be what you already use your strengths and
Speaker 3: then you that you will go to the distance. And
Speaker 3: he's done that since then. But Eddie's so locked into
Speaker 3: this community and he's so locked over the Titans because
Speaker 3: I had a similar situation where he went on radio
Speaker 3: and he said, well, I don't you know something along
Speaker 3: the lines of, I don't think Taylor is viewed as
Speaker 3: a as a leader on the on the Titans locker room,
Speaker 3: and nationally, I don't think he's viewed as a leader.
Speaker 3: And I called him because you know, if someone's going
Speaker 3: to say that, I want to know what's your reasoning,
Speaker 3: because I'm I'm not going to fight a guy over
Speaker 3: I want to know the situation. Yeah, And so I
Speaker 3: call him and I figured he'd get defensive and well
Speaker 3: I didn't say that or this, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I said that, I said, I said.
Speaker 2: He said that.
Speaker 3: There's when he sees me doing certain things, it's not leadership.
Speaker 3: If I'm trying to do too much during a game,
Speaker 3: it's not leadership.
Speaker 2: And I have as long as.
Speaker 3: I'm affecting the guy to my right and to my left,
Speaker 3: my left guard and my tight end, that's all you
Speaker 3: need to do is leadership.
Speaker 2: And you're not doing that. You came back trying to
Speaker 2: do too much. And after I had that talk, with him.
Speaker 3: I did exactly what he said. And I'm not saying
Speaker 3: I've helped the Titans immensely, but it helped me. It
Speaker 3: helped my game, It helped me with Roger, it helped
Speaker 3: me with the tight ends, doing triple blocks, trade blocks,
Speaker 3: those types of things. So it's he's done a great
Speaker 3: job for the Titans, just on the outside, being able
Speaker 3: to talk to a few guys.
Speaker 2: And I, you know, I appreciate it. Help him. He
Speaker 2: got to sit there and through the prime of his career,
Speaker 2: he got to run behind Bruce Matthews stud Yeah, and
Speaker 2: Bruce was really quiet, and Bruce wasn't the vocal guy. Bruce.
Speaker 2: Bruce was tremendous athlete. He started every position on the
Speaker 2: offensive line and made the Pro Bowl at every position.
Speaker 2: He's in the Hall of Fame, you know all that stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and Bruce was just he was just quiet about his
Speaker 2: job and his competitive Bruce would Bruce would stay out
Speaker 2: after Projice or before project, get out there early and
Speaker 2: play whatever freaking competitive game, whether it was spinning footballs
Speaker 2: or what it is. He was always competing at something.
Speaker 2: But those are the guys that that Eddie kind of
Speaker 2: got was was raised now Eddie. You know, obviously the
Speaker 2: House State experience and and all that and everything associated
Speaker 2: with the difficulties and what you know, the thing, the
Speaker 2: hard times that we went through made Eddie Georgia man,
Speaker 2: you know, and sooner he was he always was. But
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Yeah, Eddie just got it.
Speaker 2: You have to grow up. And he you know, Eddie
Speaker 2: would you know, And Eddie was even even early on, Eddie,
Speaker 2: Eddie get mad and he wanted to talk to the
Speaker 2: team and you know because somebody was late, and you know,
Speaker 2: he just bitching the meeting about his teammates. And then
Speaker 2: then the very next team meeting, Eddie was late.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I mean, so it sounds a little bit like myself. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he figures it out over time. But but man, I
Speaker 2: mean lead by example is what he was about.
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Speaker 2: gonna say? No? I just said he was and then
Speaker 2: and then and we we ran the football here, you know,
Speaker 2: and then that's people go, you know, really, I go, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: we had I had two one hundred yard backs at
Speaker 2: Kansas City in the same game. Okay, at Lyndell White
Speaker 2: and Chris Johnson had one hundred yards. Each of them
Speaker 2: had over one hundred yards. And we came back the
Speaker 2: next week here and played Cleveland, and they both again
Speaker 2: had one hundred yards, except I screwed it up because
Speaker 2: I got pissed at the head coach because he called
Speaker 2: the game was out of reach over and he called
Speaker 2: a time out. Uh. And then he called another time
Speaker 2: out and they granted him back to back town outs,
Speaker 2: and I was pissed at the officials. I was pissed
Speaker 2: at him because the game was over. I said, screwed.
Speaker 2: I sent goal line in there and Logot knocked for
Speaker 2: a yard or Lindell got knocked for a yard loss
Speaker 2: and ended up with ninety nine yards, or I would
Speaker 2: have had we would have had back to back games
Speaker 2: where we had two one hundred yard rushers had it
Speaker 2: not been for the decision I made to go to
Speaker 2: just pound it in there. Yeah, but I mean that's
Speaker 2: we ran the football. I mean, that's what we were
Speaker 2: we were about, and Eddie was really the one that
Speaker 2: set that whole set that ball rolling for us.
Speaker 3: There's definitely a place for that in the league still,
Speaker 3: as much as people throw the ball around. If you
Speaker 3: have a dominant run game, it sets up all that passing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean shit, look at you guys, look at
Speaker 1: the Ravens. Yeah, the forty nine ers who only threw
Speaker 1: the ball like eight times and eleven and champions playoff
Speaker 1: run until the Super Bowl. But yeah, that's insane. I
Speaker 1: remember I would be in the front yard. Was I
Speaker 1: was a running back myself, back in youth football, and
Speaker 1: I was I would always like pretend to be Eddie George.
Speaker 1: Would you really Yeah, because I was like taller. I was,
Speaker 1: like I tell you all the time, I like peaked
Speaker 1: in high school. My prime was like youth ball, like
Speaker 1: just dominated, just dominated offensively.
Speaker 2: Stun Yeah, but I would always pretend to be Eddie George.
Speaker 2: We got how much time I have? But I do,
Speaker 2: I do want to catch on a couple of things.
Speaker 1: Hang on, can you what was what was like a
Speaker 1: muddier transition the Houston to Tennessee or Saint Louis, LA.
Speaker 1: Because I grew up in Missouri, so me, I heard
Speaker 1: a lot more like I would always be around more
Speaker 1: with everybody being pissed off that when you guys went
Speaker 1: to LA, everybody was.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just anytime you pick up and move,
Speaker 2: the people that are affected the most of the fan base, right,
Speaker 2: and that's just not fair to fans. So you know,
Speaker 2: you gotta you know, you got to handle it as
Speaker 2: best you can. And you know, as a head coach,
Speaker 2: I'm not making those decisions. I'm doing what I'm told
Speaker 2: and I got to make the most out of a move.
Speaker 2: Now they're hard, it's it's hard, you know. I give
Speaker 2: an example when San Diego moved to LA and had
Speaker 2: a two hour drive. They started off on four and
Speaker 2: and Philip was driving, commuting in the car. You know,
Speaker 2: you move. We moved three times in on off season.
Speaker 2: You know, we had no play in LA. When we
Speaker 2: left Saint Louis, I went to LA. We moved into
Speaker 2: a Marriotte Residence inn in Auxnard and that's where we
Speaker 2: had our off season program. We lived in a hotel.
Speaker 2: And then when off season program was over, when you're
Speaker 2: done with your last o t A and you have
Speaker 2: that summer break, you know, they had no place to
Speaker 2: train or live. And then they they showed up to
Speaker 2: training camp, you know, to hour south and you see
Speaker 2: Irvine and then then you go and then you were
Speaker 2: hoping that your temporary facility trailers again is done so
Speaker 2: you can have a place to practice, so you know,
Speaker 2: all those things are unsettling now, especially La was different
Speaker 2: than here. I can't say which one was harder. You know,
Speaker 2: this was different. I mean I had a player come
Speaker 2: up to me and go, so we're checking these report
Speaker 2: to TSU for training camp. And back then they gave
Speaker 2: him eight hundred number and said, hey, call the eight
Speaker 2: hundred number. The mover will move your stuff. Make sure
Speaker 2: you're there in time for training camp wars training camp.
Speaker 2: Well it's a TSU warsor facility, I don't know yet.
Speaker 2: So it he comes up, he goes, yeah, my my
Speaker 2: my suv got there, but I can't find my Mercedes.
Speaker 2: And my suv got there with you know, nine or
Speaker 2: ten or one thousand miles more on it. They drove
Speaker 2: it and they told me they're shipping. They can't they
Speaker 2: don't know where my car is. So you got those
Speaker 2: little things, you know, they all add up. But you know,
Speaker 2: the La thing was the La thing was an easy, uh,
Speaker 2: just particularly because of all the movie and then the
Speaker 2: commuting and then you know you're you're on the road.
Speaker 2: And in that particular year I was there. We we
Speaker 2: played in Detroit, in New England, in New York, in
Speaker 2: London at New Orleans. So so and we went we
Speaker 2: went from yeah, we went from we we we left
Speaker 2: l A, went to Detroit, went upstairs, lost a close game,
Speaker 2: went upstairs, had a meal, went downstairs, went to the airport,
Speaker 2: and flew to London. You know, so those things are
Speaker 2: you know, those things aren't easy. But that London trip
Speaker 2: in general is very hard. Oh yeah, yeah it is.
Speaker 1: Raiders played at in Mexico at London. We played in
Speaker 1: New York like they were they had flown everywhere.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're going to You got no choice. Same
Speaker 2: with Seattle, and and so you have to you have
Speaker 2: to adjust. And obviously there's you know, we I feel
Speaker 2: like we did a really good job of justin I mean,
Speaker 2: the bottom line is this, I mean, and I think
Speaker 2: Mike very Bull is all about that. And he puts
Speaker 2: himself in your shoes, and every decision that he makes
Speaker 2: from six o'clock in the morning till whatever time in
Speaker 2: the evening you leave, he's all about what you do
Speaker 2: and how can he help that that whole process and
Speaker 2: whether it's recovery, whether it's this or that. And so
Speaker 2: you know, we did sleep studies, and we did all
Speaker 2: kinds of different things and just innovative things. I mean,
Speaker 2: I even my last two years there, I believe or not.
Speaker 2: You know, Monday was a recovery day. Our player's day
Speaker 2: off was Thursday, really really yeah, and oh yeah, but
Speaker 2: Monday's all recovery, okay, because if you're covering kicks and
Speaker 2: you're playing, you're going to play thirty plays in the game,
Speaker 2: and you're started, and you guys hand the ball off
Speaker 2: thirty five times, you played seventy plays, okay, and the
Speaker 2: practice squad guy over here didn't play and he had practice.
Speaker 2: It's Friday, Okay. If I throw the three of you
Speaker 2: guys in on Monday into the weight room and you
Speaker 2: guys got the same stuff to do, that's wrong. Your
Speaker 2: needs are different than his needs, and your needs are
Speaker 2: You may just need a massage period and fluids, you know,
Speaker 2: and the normatech and whatever. That might be your Monday,
Speaker 2: you know. But by Tuesday we kind of got everybody back.
Speaker 2: So Tuesday was kind of install based stuff. Wednesday was good.
Speaker 2: Thursdays off, man, would you like to sleep in? And
Speaker 2: then anybody ever tell you about my sleep in thursdays?
Speaker 2: I've heard a couple of we got a couple of stories.
Speaker 4: You gotta tell the Darren base that you gotta tell
Speaker 4: the story too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, late, no, I will. It happened here, and it
Speaker 2: was Kevin. We had Kevin May, I had Kevin White center,
Speaker 2: and you know, we were we had a physical stretch,
Speaker 2: and I just felt like we just needed something different.
Speaker 2: And so Wednesday after practice, I called a team meeting.
Speaker 2: Well you know what happened That never happens, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Wednesday after practice, guys are going, oh ship, who fucked? Yeah?
Speaker 2: This bullshit? And I got up and I just said, hey, look,
Speaker 2: I said, when you go, we're gonna finish up. Whatever
Speaker 2: you're gonna do. You watch Tate, watch practice, get your work,
Speaker 2: whatever you're going to do. When you go home, before
Speaker 2: you go to bed, turn your alarm clocks off, turn
Speaker 2: your phone off. I want you to sleep in the
Speaker 2: morning and sleep as long as you can. Now, I said,
Speaker 2: that's no, that's not a pass to go freaking tear
Speaker 2: the town down tonight, because I'm going to go out
Speaker 2: look for you. Make sure you're not freaking in wherever
Speaker 2: in the bars. But the point is is sleep in,
Speaker 2: don't take the kids to school, don't get up early,
Speaker 2: don't do anything for mama. You need the rest and
Speaker 2: come in around noon. I don't give a shit when
Speaker 2: you come in, but just try to be in by
Speaker 2: noon or pull thirty. And I saw Kevin the hall
Speaker 2: around ten o'clock and Kevin goes, Jeff. That's the best
Speaker 2: thing that's ever happened in my whole career fourteen years
Speaker 2: was to be able to sleep in sleep in on
Speaker 2: a Thursday in November, and so sleep in Thursdays took
Speaker 2: on a whole life of their own right, and now
Speaker 2: it's you know, you know how you guys are after
Speaker 2: a big win Sunday afternoon dream Monday and Thursdays.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it motivates you a weird way to like, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: we're going to get to sleep in Thursday.
Speaker 2: Boy. Yeah. In the fourth I went, I went to
Speaker 2: Thursday day off, Thursday totally day off. Yeah, so Monday's recovery. Okay,
Speaker 2: Tuesday we're going to get your blood going to move around,
Speaker 2: get your sore on us out and do all that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. And it's all based half speed practice,
Speaker 2: just a little bit more than to walk through. Wednesday
Speaker 2: we're going to go, you know, and then Thursday's your
Speaker 2: day and then come back in Friday Fast Friday.
Speaker 3: We never did a sleep in Thursday with but Rabel
Speaker 3: does towards the end of the season. He does a
Speaker 3: really good job of knowing where the guy's bodies are
Speaker 3: at and knowing what it takes. Now in this league,
Speaker 3: because a lot of guys, a lot of coaches will
Speaker 3: play in the eighties, play in the nineties. They'll come
Speaker 3: and coming, coach, well, this is what we did. Yeah, well,
Speaker 3: there's been a lot of advancements in modern science.
Speaker 2: Let's let's let's take us So. Yeah, so sleep and
Speaker 2: diet and just all those things are so important, but
Speaker 2: just the rest and recovery, you know, but that that
Speaker 2: you that starts, you should start that. I mean I
Speaker 2: always had this philosophy, partticularly because I played. I wasn't
Speaker 2: very good, but I played five years in the league,
Speaker 2: and I remember the day the calendar year. And I'll
Speaker 2: ask both of you guys, what day in the calendar
Speaker 2: year did you feel the absolute best, meaning physically in shape,
Speaker 2: ready to freaking go. And your answer is probably the
Speaker 2: day before training Yeah, so what happens in training camp?
Speaker 2: You do this right, right, okay, and then you never
Speaker 2: get it back. Training camp should be up and then
Speaker 2: it should be and then you you know, and then
Speaker 2: the season starts. You're here.
Speaker 4: They want to work so hard and all is just
Speaker 4: to fucking take away everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're training during the off season just to
Speaker 2: get through camp, not to use camp, but just to
Speaker 2: get through camp. Now it doesn't you know, because back
Speaker 2: in the day when I played, there were six preseason
Speaker 2: games and went you went to camp and you were
Speaker 2: two days every day. Okay, even Friday. Water makes you weak, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and hundreds you run a hundred. You run hunters after practice.
Speaker 2: Head coach tells you, get on the goal line, we're
Speaker 2: running ten hundreds. Guess what, you went to the goal line.
Speaker 2: You put your hand down. You freaking ran ten hundreds.
Speaker 2: If you someone to tell you guys that, now you
Speaker 2: start looking cross arms and go.
Speaker 3: Really well, you'd have guys too that if you're running
Speaker 3: hunters after every practice, yea, guys are thinking in there
Speaker 3: head to have with your practice.
Speaker 2: I better consistent. Yeah yeah, yeah, I want. I want.
Speaker 2: I want you to grab grab a couple of rookies
Speaker 2: or grab whoever you want and run on your own,
Speaker 2: you know, And then I want to be able to
Speaker 2: say no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You
Speaker 2: don't need to be running on Friday, whatever it is,
Speaker 2: but that needs to be. That needs to be the mindset.
Speaker 2: So you know, when you come in the morning, you
Speaker 2: you park in the parking lot, you're run in because
Speaker 2: you can't wait to get to work. You look forward
Speaker 2: to getting to work, okay. And then I believe that
Speaker 2: our job is to make sure that when when you're
Speaker 2: there during the day, especially on the field, that you
Speaker 2: are mentally, emotionally, physically, spiritual, what ever is ready to practice.
Speaker 2: So that's all the ship I got, all the ship
Speaker 2: needs to be. You need to be clear, you know.
Speaker 2: So if that means that your mom called and she
Speaker 2: want a different color escalade on Friday, and she wants
Speaker 2: it now, and that's burdening you, that's a distraction, okay.
Speaker 2: So I want a distraction free fun. Understand what we
Speaker 2: got to get done work wise, and get it done,
Speaker 2: and then you know, you take you go to the
Speaker 2: next day. But so much of that and then you
Speaker 2: have to change. You just have to be changed. And
Speaker 2: just like you said, what Mike did, you got to change.
Speaker 2: You got to get and have a feel and back down.
Speaker 2: Call this period off. Do the ship and and then
Speaker 2: and you know, while all that's going on, you gotta
Speaker 2: have fun. Yeah, you gotta have funny. I laugh. You
Speaker 2: gotta just just have fun and pranks and whatever because you're.
Speaker 1: Around each other literally every day, all day, from Indo
Speaker 1: July all the way to you know, hopefully early February.
Speaker 2: He said, you said pranks.
Speaker 3: I heard Steve Watterson got you pretty good when you
Speaker 3: guys came in for preseason or was a preseason or November?
Speaker 2: November you guys pre We only came in for a
Speaker 2: preseason game. Yeah, so and Steve got pretty good, he
Speaker 2: got he got back at us. Okay, no he didn't.
Speaker 2: He didn't get us pretty good.
Speaker 3: No, he You know, Steve, Steve take the story guy.
Speaker 3: So I want to know what's real and what's not.
Speaker 3: He said he'd get guys all the time. He was
Speaker 3: the king of pranks in his.
Speaker 2: Mind, well in his mind he was, and he also
Speaker 2: was the target. Okay, we'll go on forever about him.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, when we came in for the preseason game,
Speaker 2: I had somebody, I still had some ties, and I
Speaker 2: got uh, somebody got a hold of his car keys
Speaker 2: and during the game removed all four of his tires,
Speaker 2: put him on blocks and stacked the tires up. So
Speaker 2: when he went out, when he went out to go home, yeah,
Speaker 2: why we're playing them and yeah yeah. So he he
Speaker 2: got everything going and got his tires back on, and
Speaker 2: as the buses were come up, he had the guys
Speaker 2: pull up the things so our buses couldn't get out,
Speaker 2: and he yelled at the buses. So that was his
Speaker 2: version of getting this. That's the center block things hilarious. No, No,
Speaker 2: Chris long, Chris and the DB's and Saint Louis would
Speaker 2: always happen.
Speaker 1: You know, I heard Chris, and you can correct the
Speaker 1: story because the building he made a building, and basically put.
Speaker 2: He made three buildings, made three buildings. Yeah, no, they
Speaker 2: were the story were DB's. No, we were weren't. It
Speaker 2: was the last game of you. I think we were
Speaker 2: in Seattle, we're coming back. We were going to land
Speaker 2: lad and it was just right after Christmas and we
Speaker 2: weren't in the playoffs. And Chris, they had the DB's
Speaker 2: and the D line had been going at it for
Speaker 2: a while and so Chris had found a contractor and
Speaker 2: he built these. He built three just one room, four
Speaker 2: sided with the roof buildings okay, and big enough, big
Speaker 2: enough to put their cars in it. So he had
Speaker 2: them built. He had the cars driven in and then
Speaker 2: they pounded the nails and they completely was four walls
Speaker 2: around their cars. And then he had in Christmas lights.
Speaker 2: He had twenty one, twenty two, and maybe twenty three
Speaker 2: the three DB's numbers on outside on the on the wall.
Speaker 2: And and so when we pull up, there's a field
Speaker 2: by the facility. Now keep in mind, and we've come
Speaker 2: all the way back from Sheall. We got out the
Speaker 2: plane as the last game and guys, are you know
Speaker 2: really and we're getting the bus and we're pulling in
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden that started going and you
Speaker 2: can see all of the numbers on these three buildings.
Speaker 2: Chris had told guys what he'd done. But the DB's
Speaker 2: they they go in their lockers and they're going to
Speaker 2: drive home and they can't find their keys, and they're
Speaker 2: standing in the lobby trying to figure out where their
Speaker 2: keys are. They don't eat, they haven't even put two
Speaker 2: and two together that their their keys are somewhere else,
Speaker 2: but their cars are in those three buildings on the
Speaker 2: lock with their number all yea. So they cabbed home
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But yeah, they did stuff like
Speaker 2: that all the time. Yeah, that's hilarious. That's fucking legendary.
Speaker 2: Yeah that is all.
Speaker 4: It sounds like you, uh, maybe want to get back
Speaker 4: into coaching.
Speaker 2: Oh you never what, I'll tell you what I missed.
Speaker 2: I miss you, guys, I miss you. But that's what
Speaker 2: I miss is that I missed the relationship with the
Speaker 2: players and the all the fun and all the stuff
Speaker 2: and you know that, and competing in the games and
Speaker 2: then the anthem. Yeah, I'm then that's awesome. Can you
Speaker 2: bring up We'll have like fan questions and that before
Speaker 2: fan questions. I want to know two things because you
Speaker 2: know what time it is, because I got to catch
Speaker 2: a flight. It is twelve thirty two. I'm right, we
Speaker 2: got about ten more. Yeah, okay, So two.
Speaker 3: Things happen that we were intertwined about. One was the
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen draft. There were two tackles stayed before me.
Speaker 3: There was Greg Robinson and number two with you, guys,
Speaker 3: which I want to know you the process because you
Speaker 3: actually brought me and Greg Robinson in for at the
Speaker 3: same time to do visits and I'm gonna sitting with
Speaker 3: you at your office.
Speaker 2: How was that?
Speaker 3: What was the deciding factors in those things? And then
Speaker 3: also after my second year, they were talking about replacing
Speaker 3: me with Lamy Tunsel one overall pick, and you guys
Speaker 3: ended up trading for the number one pick. And so
Speaker 3: in a way you helped me at the end. And
Speaker 3: I wouldn't rather be any place in Tennessee. This place
Speaker 3: is unbelievable, right, But at the end, obviously when you're
Speaker 3: going through the draft, you want to be the number
Speaker 3: one tackle. You wanted to number an overall pick like
Speaker 3: all that stuff. End up being the third tackle, taking
Speaker 3: eleventh overall. So what were the things you saw in
Speaker 3: Greg in his game at the time that you didn't
Speaker 3: see in my game?
Speaker 2: Didn't see anything missing from your game none at all.
Speaker 2: Knew that you would be a ten year vet, you know,
Speaker 2: you would have a ten year career and you'd be
Speaker 2: pro bowler and all that kind of stuff. That's how
Speaker 2: he brought you in. Oftentimes there are they're good, the
Speaker 2: hard decisions, but they're a good problem to have. Okay,
Speaker 2: so you were slam dunk. Okay, we felt like athletic
Speaker 2: ability wise, when I watched Greg walk on his hands
Speaker 2: and do throw foot and do that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: In addition to that, they had a private workout, we'd
Speaker 2: done the background checks. I had a son on the
Speaker 2: roster at Auburn, it was playing at Auburn. He knew Greg,
Speaker 2: he liked Greg, and it was just kind of I
Speaker 2: don't want to say it came down to a flip
Speaker 2: of a coin, but you could couldn't go wrong, you know,
Speaker 2: and it was obviously we went wrong, you know. But
Speaker 2: it's just kind of one of those deals. I mean,
Speaker 2: and I want to buy the comparable standards are probably
Speaker 2: not it's not a good analogy, but you know, four
Speaker 2: or five years ago, my last year there, we traded
Speaker 2: the number one and we decided between Jered Golf and
Speaker 2: Carson Wentz. Yeah, it was a great problem to have,
Speaker 2: you know, And so you know, it's just one of
Speaker 2: those things. I mean, I remember our interview. I mean,
Speaker 2: I remember we got the combine for a brief moment,
Speaker 2: and then we had you on the visiting and you
Speaker 2: were with Boudreaux, when you spent a lot of time
Speaker 2: and hung around.
Speaker 3: We loved you, sat down single, double, triple ABC, all
Speaker 3: those things ready to go on those visits. Yeah, it
Speaker 3: was pretty Actually it's pretty awful.
Speaker 2: It is that it is not one problem if I
Speaker 2: have with the league, and you remember the conversation how
Speaker 2: many visits if you had, oh it was fourteen. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're going to work out. I mean, it's just like
Speaker 2: you know, it's just travel, travel, travel travel. I came,
Speaker 2: I came from Detroit.
Speaker 3: I flip from Arizona, I think San Francisco to Detroit
Speaker 3: and and too, you guys same all in the same day.
Speaker 1: When you're wanting to be the number one linebacker taking
Speaker 1: to the draft and there's like fifteen to twenty that
Speaker 1: go ahead of you, what was it that you saw
Speaker 1: on them that you probably didn't see in me?
Speaker 2: Well, let me see who are those that were taking
Speaker 2: a head. I have no clue.
Speaker 1: I guess Mattha Tao was, Yeah, I don't even know.
Speaker 1: I don't even know anymore.
Speaker 4: That's a fun question we had, like you want to
Speaker 4: be number one, but I ended up being number.
Speaker 2: Three in the first round.
Speaker 3: Eleven. I was eleven, third tackles, third tackle. It's interesting
Speaker 3: to get the percept.
Speaker 2: Thing, understand the understand the process too, because it all
Speaker 2: starts with an area scout. So we had an area
Speaker 2: scout at Michigan and we had an aero scout at
Speaker 2: Alabama and they're both grading you guys, and they're different guys.
Speaker 2: And then you have you have directors and assistant directors
Speaker 2: of college scouting that graded you both independently, and so
Speaker 2: now you've got like five different opinions on both guys. Okay,
Speaker 2: so now after the season is over, now you start
Speaker 2: to mesh your opinions. Now I'm looking at tape, and
Speaker 2: then you got someone else that's the wh line coaches
Speaker 2: looking at tape, and so you end up oftentimes was
Speaker 2: just too much information. Yeah you know, and I fundamentally
Speaker 2: think right now that there's not enough tape being watched.
Speaker 2: I think people are sharing and talking and social media
Speaker 2: grading and not doing the hard hands on sit down
Speaker 2: and watch you play. I watch you play early, watch
Speaker 2: you play middle, watch you play late. But more specifically,
Speaker 2: I'm going to watch and see who the best defensive
Speaker 2: end was because I want to see you protect and
Speaker 2: then you know, watch I mean watch games throughout the
Speaker 2: course of the season. Well that's how I do. But
Speaker 2: as a head coach, you can't look at everybody. Yeah
Speaker 2: you know, and you really can't. So you know, it's
Speaker 2: it's it's not right. It's not my place to tell
Speaker 2: the organization in the draft room in the fifth round
Speaker 2: which guard I'm going to take. But I didn't seen them,
Speaker 2: you know, and so but you have to trust people
Speaker 2: that have seen them, and you have to trust at
Speaker 2: your boards, right, And I just think people. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying it's scouts, because scouts are doing the work, but
Speaker 2: I'm saying people in decision making positions aren't. Aren't spending
Speaker 2: the time to really truly evaluate the players. I think
Speaker 2: they're I mean, I think they do a good job.
Speaker 2: They got a lot of people doing it, you know,
Speaker 2: And so I really haven't. I never used any outside
Speaker 2: sources or never nooked at mock drafts and never did anything.
Speaker 2: You just kind of sit there and just tell me
Speaker 2: what are what tell me what the team's needs are, Okay,
Speaker 2: and then I'll sit there. We'll sit there in the
Speaker 2: draft room and based on their needs, okay, well they
Speaker 2: could go here, they could go there, but let's make
Speaker 2: sure our draft boards, right. Yeah, you know, I got you. So,
Speaker 2: but you guys are kind of the process. You guys
Speaker 2: took all.
Speaker 4: Global Tree of the Year before me. Anyway, so it's
Speaker 4: probably tough much for you.
Speaker 2: I think Marcus Alec Yeah, alex Is, I think big money. Well,
Speaker 2: we draft them, they traded them.
Speaker 1: Well, you guys paid the big money and then traded
Speaker 1: them that same day. It was not involved in okay,
Speaker 1: because I remember seeing that.
Speaker 2: I was like, what does this You're just going to
Speaker 2: trade it? Right? How about this? Talk about this? So
Speaker 2: which we draft, we draft treat and uh, it's a
Speaker 2: pretty good rookie years what in shape we got there?
Speaker 2: But he finished really strong after that last three or
Speaker 2: four games. So you know, the all season program is gone.
Speaker 2: So first day of the all season program starts and
Speaker 2: all I want to do is just want to get
Speaker 2: await I wanted. I wanted because really something you know,
Speaker 2: you leave in January and you come back and I
Speaker 2: just the guys are all coming in and saying hey
Speaker 2: d D D day. We waited everybody when they got
Speaker 2: in there. And then I get a call and coach yeah, Tree, yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, he goes he's like thirty two pounds heavier
Speaker 2: than when he left, and I went, oh, I go, really,
Speaker 2: I go, you sure you're scaling? Goes? Are you? I'm
Speaker 2: telling you that? So first meeting, so this is like
Speaker 2: a half hour later, I have told my assistant to
Speaker 2: I said, go to Carlos Junior, go to McDonald's, go
Speaker 2: to burg King, go wherever, and just get shit. I
Speaker 2: want bags. I want the bags, okay, and bring them
Speaker 2: as fast as you can. And I said, I called
Speaker 2: down the video. I go, hey, put a I want
Speaker 2: a TV up on stage. I want a chair, I
Speaker 2: want a couple of little a couple of little dumbbells,
Speaker 2: and I want a table out there. And I don't
Speaker 2: even care what's hooked up, but I want to. I'm mad.
Speaker 2: And then in there and they go, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: I said, just do it, I said, and bring me
Speaker 2: bring me trees, jersey and a hoodie. And they go, okay.
Speaker 2: So so we have our first meeting. Start off, he's
Speaker 2: a program, and everybody's been gone for three months. And
Speaker 2: everybody comes in all the gain. You know, everybody's going
Speaker 2: for him yet to see it. Everybody's just like that.
Speaker 2: And I come walking around the corner up on stage
Speaker 2: and I have a hoodie, I have glasses, I have
Speaker 2: fifty two and I have a pillow underneath my found
Speaker 2: in this jersey. And I walk up and in addition
Speaker 2: to that, I had cookies and chips and shit food
Speaker 2: all over the place, and I just I walked up
Speaker 2: and as if nobody was sitting out there, I walked
Speaker 2: up and walked over, and I popped some chips and
Speaker 2: you know, and then I did this, and I act
Speaker 2: like I was eating this, and then I was going
Speaker 2: over and guys start laughing. I walk and I'm walking
Speaker 2: around doing this, and then I sit back and I
Speaker 2: grabbed this, and I'm just playing some PlayStation like you know,
Speaker 2: and you can see I'm just and so I'm acting
Speaker 2: like I don't even know they're there, and they're just
Speaker 2: rolling fricking laughing. And so I move around, I do this,
Speaker 2: I walk back, I bring some more food out, sit down.
Speaker 2: Kind of got like it's time to work out, and
Speaker 2: so I grabbed that two pound dumbbell and I just
Speaker 2: kind of ate and I was like getting my work
Speaker 2: out and put it down with the sleep and then
Speaker 2: I finished. By I finished, I had one more thing
Speaker 2: of chips and cookies and shit, and I didn't have
Speaker 2: a place to put them, and I just put them
Speaker 2: on the ground. And I don't know what possessed me,
Speaker 2: but I laid down on top of them and popped
Speaker 2: the chips like a dog and just kind of rolled
Speaker 2: on the food. And I got up and I said, hey,
Speaker 2: let's have a great off season. And I walked out.
Speaker 2: So you think he got the message. Yeah, he got
Speaker 2: the message. And it was he still I mean, I
Speaker 2: hear he still talks about that to this day. I
Speaker 2: mean he can't. He just looked too. I mean, everybody
Speaker 2: went down. He was, how's my weight? You know, it's like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, you know, and I didn't know we had
Speaker 2: to weigh in and anyway, it was kind of I
Speaker 2: didn't have to say anything to him about gaining weight,
Speaker 2: you know, gaining thirty pounds during the three months, and like,
Speaker 2: I don't even want to know how he did it.
Speaker 2: I just want him to slowly take it off and
Speaker 2: in the shade. But yeah, that's kind of how you
Speaker 2: send your man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tub story, that tubbs, he's got to go in.
Speaker 1: I know, but this is a phenomenal Sorry, well yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had a slow start. We had early by
Speaker 2: and I don't know, we were two and four whatever
Speaker 2: it was. We had a bye week and we just
Speaker 2: lost a close game. And now we're going into the
Speaker 2: bye week and after a loss, and you know, it's
Speaker 2: just what are they? You know, it's you can imagine
Speaker 2: you're gonna sit there on the Monday after the game
Speaker 2: and go, oh man, this is not gonna be fun.
Speaker 2: We got bye, you gonna kill us? And I think
Speaker 2: it was. It wasn't it was. It was later in
Speaker 2: the bye week. It was right before the end, but
Speaker 2: before the guys took off, and and uh, I filled
Speaker 2: tubs up and had them covered with with ice down beer,
Speaker 2: and I got up there and I just basically told
Speaker 2: the team that they just got a melmbo from the league.
Speaker 2: That's even starting over. They was just for some reason,
Speaker 2: it's a fucked up deal. But the league decided to
Speaker 2: start season over clean slight. Everybody's starting over. So this
Speaker 2: is this is your last week of training camp. You
Speaker 2: got the week kid off. Come back. We're starting freaking
Speaker 2: under fee. Let's go win the division. And in the meantime, boys,
Speaker 2: let's drink some beers. So beers out. So we started
Speaker 2: tossing beers out and ship they went out and out
Speaker 2: of great by weekend and then came back. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just different stuff. So that's all to get the
Speaker 2: boys going for the Yeah, that is the camaraderie. Man,
Speaker 2: you're not going to get Well, we had it, we
Speaker 2: had a deal and this would be the perfect forum.
Speaker 2: But we went out and practiced against the Cowboys when
Speaker 2: and we were moved the year before we moved to
Speaker 2: l A. We went out talks and Art had the
Speaker 2: joint prite against the Cowboys, and so basically it was
Speaker 2: you know, hey, you know, we're going to practice, and
Speaker 2: we got we got we have two practices and they're padded,
Speaker 2: and I just kind of preached that, look, I don't
Speaker 2: need bullshit. We're going to freaking physically play within the rules,
Speaker 2: kick their ass. This is a great measuring stick for us.
Speaker 2: But I don't need bullshit, you know, I don't want
Speaker 2: fighting and all kind of stuff. Well, Des was hurt
Speaker 2: and he had held out and he wasn't practicing, and
Speaker 2: Dez was standing on the sideline and Dez was just
Speaker 2: I didn't know it because I was on the other
Speaker 2: other field with the with the I was on the
Speaker 2: other field with offense, and Des had just gotten a
Speaker 2: little out of control and nobody really calmed him down.
Speaker 2: It was just MF and all the dbs. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: he wasn't practicing. He was just standing there, and so
Speaker 2: you know, I got word on the way back to
Speaker 2: the hotel that this is not good. So you know,
Speaker 2: I tried to. I made a call and said, hey, look,
Speaker 2: is there any way you guys could maybe control Dez
Speaker 2: a little bit because it's really inappropriate what he's saying
Speaker 2: and how in his behavior and da da da da da.
Speaker 2: And I knew that the des is hard to keep quiet,
Speaker 2: you know. I knew there was probably the odds of
Speaker 2: that happened again. And if it happened again, I knew
Speaker 2: that the guys would take it in their own hands.
Speaker 2: And so I did the same thing. I filled the
Speaker 2: coolers on the bus with beers, knowing that the next
Speaker 2: day's practice was going to get cut short because of fights. Yeah. Fighting,
Speaker 2: you always knowing that's brilliant. Yeah, so on the second
Speaker 2: and it and it did and it was, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: But was the recipient of a few. I got a
Speaker 2: lot more respect for him because I could take a
Speaker 2: hit now he did so. But we Yeah, so anyway,
Speaker 2: guys were just hooting and hollering, drinking beers all the
Speaker 2: way back to the hotel and in the training room,
Speaker 2: and you know, we had whatever but it's just kind
Speaker 2: of those things, you know. I mean, you know, if
Speaker 2: you're in the locker room and as you should be,
Speaker 2: and you get a pulse in a sense and a feel,
Speaker 2: and you know you have relationships with therebod you know
Speaker 2: what your team? Oh, absolutely, you just need to do
Speaker 2: that and that's why you know, that's why you know
Speaker 2: as always And I don't know how it is other places,
Speaker 2: but man, I mean that locker room is a place
Speaker 2: for everybody. And I'm walking I'm in that locker room
Speaker 2: three or four times a day, just hanging out and
Speaker 2: just get whatever. Because I don't want you guys to
Speaker 2: stop your conversation while I walk by. I want you
Speaker 2: to feel like I belong there, you know, and all that.
Speaker 2: So you can't allow those things. You can't allow those
Speaker 2: things become whatever they are, sanctuary, whatever, this you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's twenty years of doing it. You get it, cut,
Speaker 2: you get it, feel for it. Yeah. So that's awesome. Well,
Speaker 2: we appreciate you coming on with No, you guys are great. No,
Speaker 2: let's I want to circle right back around, uh to
Speaker 2: Nashville and to what you guys have got in store
Speaker 2: and which you got rolling in your softball game and
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff helps these people here because
Speaker 2: this is this is unlike any place I've ever lived,
Speaker 2: and uh, I'm spending my time between Montana and here.
Speaker 2: I've got to remodel here. This is my home. My
Speaker 2: kids are here, and I love the city and love
Speaker 2: the franchise, and you know you guys, and just we
Speaker 2: have a responsibility to do what we can. I know
Speaker 2: you guys are doing that. So our thoughts, prayers, all
Speaker 2: those things, and just confidence and patience and and trust
Speaker 2: go out to all those people whose lives will be
Speaker 2: affected forever by this tragedy. We're gonna need your help
Speaker 2: doing it too. While you're here at State. We got that.
Speaker 1: We got all hands on deck, Dade, Yeah, Tane, and
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Speaker 2: So it's a good luck to you. Thank you, appreciate it,
Speaker 2: Appreciate you. So yeah, yeah, I love it.