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Speaker 1: and willing to have conversations about it, and I think

426
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Speaker 1: they know who I am, They know who we are

427
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: the fire Pick collective. They know our relationships that I

428
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: have with people like yourselves and Ryan and Jeff Ogilvie, etc.

429
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 1: Mac Barnhart for that matter. And I just I see Jay,

430
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: I see Keith trying to do the best he can

431
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: for his tour. I I see players trying to do

432
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: the best they can for themselves and their families. I

433
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: see these individual situations. You listen to them and you

434
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: can't help. But uh, you know again kind of throwing

435
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: the Saudi Arabia stuff out because and I think now

436
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,919
Speaker 1: for me, you know, here we got we we're depending

437
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 1: on Saudi Arabia. We had a president flying over to

438
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: try to, you know, work out a relationship, a new

439
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: relationship with Saudi Arabia. There is I just listened to

440
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: the Golfers Journal podcast. Ms. Thomas Freeman said, the politics

441
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: has no place kind of in this game. You know,

442
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: there's part of me is like, you know what, and

443
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 1: and look at look at the look at the tour players, right,

444
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: look at look at the tour players have one option

445
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: that to test the market. It's themselves. It's their ability

446
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: to play good golf. Yes, they can do endorsement deals,

447
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: and some guys make good money in endorsements deals, but

448
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: it's very few, right, There's very few guys who actually

449
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: get a good living through endorsement deals. So if you're

450
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 1: if you're a top fifty player, what are your options

451
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: of trying to test the market of what your value is?

452
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: You know, I saw the difference between Graham mcdowal and

453
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Speaker 1: Dustin Johnson. Graham mcdowal is a star, Dustin Johnson is

454
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Speaker 1: a superstar. Is Dustin Johnson making the most money he

455
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: can possibly make by playing the PGA Tour? Why wouldn't

456
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 1: there be Like if you're a soccer player, you can

457
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 1: go from league to league, you can test your market.

458
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: In the NBA, you can go from team to team

459
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: and test your market, NFL baseball, whatever, like free agency,

460
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: you have a players union, you have protection, you have

461
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: Like what what does a PGA what does a professional

462
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: golfer have to try to test his his his place

463
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: in the marketplace? Yeah? Well, I mean that's that's what

464
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: liv has done, is as created a market and it's

465
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting that this this fell right after

466
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Speaker 1: the Portland event where I I which I covered and

467
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: I was in London obviously, so not many folks have

468
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 1: been to both tournaments so far as um, and you

469
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: and Phil had a handful of others. Uh and pought

470
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: out some almond milk for Bob Herrick too, But um, yeah,

471
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: it's the timing. This was amazing. Um And oh, by

472
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 1: the way, I mean I heard some things that there

473
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: was a there was a plane that the Lived Tour

474
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 1: supplied to get the guys from Portland to the JP

475
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: McMahons pro am. What what did you hear about that

476
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: plane ride? Matt? It was a flying nightclub quote, flying nightclub.

477
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: It was like New Year's Eve. It was like a

478
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: ten hour flight and after it landed, people wanted them

479
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: to take off again to keep going. It was it

480
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: was there was It was an absolute party. Like the

481
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: plane was so spectacular, you know, room for eighty and

482
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 1: there was only forty on the plane. It was like

483
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: a big giant private jet. And and Saudi Arabia paid

484
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: for that to get those players back to to to

485
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: the JP pro am, to which JP told DJ to

486
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: thank them, thanks, thanks, thanks for getting those guys back there.

487
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: That was a big chunk of his field. That made

488
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: a difference to the crowd, the forty thousand people that

489
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: were assembled there that those last It was probably helpful

490
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: to bring everyone together like this in a semi low

491
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,479
Speaker 1: key setting ahead of the Open because they were all

492
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: going to mix on the driving range at Saint Andrew's.

493
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: But this seems like it was was a good reentry

494
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: into bringing the hat field on the McCoy's together. And

495
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: I mean I saw this on Twitter. What's interesting is

496
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: for the guys who've gone over to live is just

497
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: business and the tour loyalists, it's very personal and there's

498
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: there's a there's a difference in the rhetoric and the tone.

499
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 1: Um you know, I don't know if you saw Billy

500
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: Horsell's comments, like you know, he went off like I

501
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: find the whole as it's you've involved in every week,

502
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: it kind of the story changes. Now you have you know,

503
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: Poulter and those other guys that have won this court

504
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,479
Speaker 1: in junction, they're playing in the Scottish and there's been

505
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 1: some pushback against that, Like it's wild how this this

506
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: story develops a week by week. But I do think

507
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: that when someone writes the story about all this, he

508
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: might be on this podcast, Um, this mc madnus program

509
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: is going to be is going to be pretty juicy

510
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: because it was really it was kind of a little

511
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: too soon to bring em together, but it just had

512
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: to be and there was still raw and there was

513
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: still flying around, you know, things flying around. I know.

514
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: I think it's just it's a it's a neat chapter

515
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: in a book about all all the uh interpersonal dynamics

516
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: here because it is just business, but people are taking

517
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: it very personally, very obviously. That that is the one

518
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: thing that I heard from both sides. One side would

519
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: say I wish they wouldn't talk about us, and the

520
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: other I would say, I wish they wouldn't talk about

521
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: us like players going after other players in this situation.

522
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think that's you know, taking some

523
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: of this stuff personally seems like it doesn't make much

524
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: sense to me. It seems like the leadership of these

525
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: tours or what actually needs to needs to have conversation.

526
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: Whether that's going to happen or that's realistic, or if

527
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: there's ever going to be a place where these these

528
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: two things can actually coexist in some sense of harmony

529
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: seems very unlikely and unrealistic, but that that would make

530
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: more sense than the players going back and forth, you know,

531
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: getting judge on each other about what they're doing and

532
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: how they're doing it. I think, you know, I had

533
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: a long conversation with Pat Perez last night. I had

534
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: a good conversation with Brooks Keepka and you know Brooks,

535
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: you know Brooks. He said, very plainly, I'm not I'm

536
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: not getting down on this back and forth. I don't

537
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: care what people think or say. That's just not It

538
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: just doesn't matter to me. I I've you know, I'm

539
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: making decisions about me based on my body, on where

540
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm at with with my health and my career. He said,

541
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: you know, I came from nothing. Okay, when I when

542
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: my when I signed my contract, my mom and I

543
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: reflected on a time and when I was a kid

544
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: ten years old and they went they endured a hurricane,

545
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: and the hurricane basically I took took their roof off

546
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: their house. And when the when another hurricane came to

547
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: their roof still wasn't repaired and another hurricane, like the

548
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: roof still wasn't impaired. He said, I grew up in

549
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: a flea infested house and if someone's going to offer

550
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: me one hundred and thirty million dollars to do what

551
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 1: I do and how I do it, to play a

552
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: little less and to be able to have kind of

553
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: more flexibility. He's got his majors, he's got his wins,

554
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: he's proven to himself and the world that he's he's

555
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: a bona fide badass at the game of golf. I'm

556
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: I'm taking the money, and it's it's based on what

557
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: I need for me in my life and my career. Man. Quick,

558
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 1: as though this is the first time that number has

559
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: been out there, one hundred and thirty million, I was

560
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: not aware of that. I was told one hundred and

561
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: thirty million for DJ and Brooks and you know how

562
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: many years they covers. No. Yeah, So when you talked

563
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: to very eloquently, and we all know Graham, you know,

564
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: in two different ways, you talked about this thing from

565
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: Graham mcdalla's perspective, and I'm right there with you. And

566
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm terrible at these courtroom drama movies. You know, first

567
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: the prosecutor goes and the defense guy goes. I'm like, oh, yeah,

568
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: that makes sense. So yeah, that so I'm right there

569
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 1: with you. Yeah, I get poor gram program, but in

570
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: the real is big. But the reason this thing is

571
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: emotional and the reason people are talking about it the

572
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: way they are, the players and the fans and broadcasters

573
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: and everybody and us and everybody in the game, is

574
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: that at some point this does actually reveal your life

575
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: value system. And so it would be you could shut

576
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: down gram McDowell's whole arguin by saying, Grant, you've made

577
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: a fortune. Who are you kidding here? Your set for life.

578
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what you do for the rest of

579
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: your life, and this is the tour that made you.

580
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: So there are two very different ways of saying it

581
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: and of seeing this whole thing. And I think just

582
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: from my own perspective, but if I'm a Grammic to all,

583
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: I'd have a totally different perspective. I try to look

584
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: at the game at large and these competing tours, even

585
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: for all the excellent reasons you outlined about why it

586
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 1: makes sense and why it's, you know, an inflection point

587
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: for the game, this isn't good for professional golf. I

588
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: think it can be. I believe that if the PGA

589
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: Tour were to take some time and I and I

590
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 1: quite quite frankly between us. I said this to Jail,

591
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: I said, you know the chase when you said between us,

592
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: fare of mind, this is a public forum. Well, this

593
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: is between us and that we are sharing with the listener,

594
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: who thanks for listening, by the way, because again I

595
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: think you know, Jay and I were having a conversation

596
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: about the state of the game. And he's in the

597
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: position he's in, and I'm in the position I'm in,

598
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: and we're in the position we're in, and I think

599
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,959
Speaker 1: we all care about the game of golf. I feel

600
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: really good about the the amateur aspect and the opportunities

601
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: and access growth that's happening for the recreational golfer. So

602
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: so remember we are although we're talking about golf, we're

603
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,959
Speaker 1: talking about a very very very small small percentage of people.

604
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 1: And the big fundamental differences this is these are the

605
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: people who get paid to play the game. We the

606
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: US and the listener, and although we have benefits and

607
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: don't often pay a lot to play the game, but

608
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: the difference is the people who pay to play the game.

609
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: It's a big difference here. Okay, So let's remember that.

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00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: Second of all, I just think that if i'm Jay Monahan,

611
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: I'm focused on creating a better feeder system into what

612
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: is the PGA Tour. I'm creating more opportunities in access

613
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: for people at the lower levels, creating a minor league

614
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: system that looks more realistic and more sensible from a single,

615
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: a double, a triple, a ball club kind of feeder system,

616
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: so that people can have more opportunities in access to

617
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 1: make a living playing professional golf, whether that's the Latin

618
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: American Tour or the corn Ferry Tour or the Golden

619
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: State Tour or you know, Dakota's Tour, whatever that is.

620
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: I'm looking down there and I'm trying to cultivate a

621
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: place where people can still call themselves a professional golfer

622
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: and make a living without having to make it to

623
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour, and get that those people in that

624
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 1: system and build up to and whatever the live is

625
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: is going to be what it is. What Jay Monahan

626
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: has no hope of trying to outspend them or trying

627
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: to compete with them in that aspect, So why do it?

628
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: Why not control what you can control. Zerich Classic, to me,

629
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: is a great example of a floundering event that created

630
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: a different system, a team event that has now researched

631
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: the interest into that to that event. So why wouldn't

632
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: you take that concept and say, Okay, we've got something,

633
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: we got some we got some energy here, just like

634
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: we would as in our company to say, oh we've

635
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: got some we got we got some heat here, Let's

636
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: do more of this. Why wouldn't you come up with

637
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: make John Dier a team event as well? Why do

638
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 1: we do it? Come for the team series that lives

639
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: within the framework of the PGA Tour schedule that then says, okay,

640
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: those five weeks you partner up with your team Shipnuck

641
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: and I are always playing in these events together, and

642
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: you and French Bamberger are playing in the other like

643
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: and there's a season long sort of sub series like

644
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: why that is why I think there's a chance to

645
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: make this good for golf, Michael, that there's more people

646
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: making money playing professional golf. We'll see all at the

647
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: major championships. There could eventually be a live Tour champion

648
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: versus a PGA Tour champion, or a Ryder Cup match

649
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: instead of the Presidents Cup, in which you could take

650
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: the best of that tour and the best of the like.

651
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: I just I'm going to hold out hope and I

652
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: am I am and sort of inspired by the idea

653
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: that there can be positive change for professional golf and

654
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: thus called. One of the big rumors floating around Portland

655
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: was that next year Live is going to have a

656
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: women's series eight of vents for the same money, which

657
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: it obviously would be monumental for the women's game, and

658
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: also have mix mixed team events, like there's been discussions

659
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: about a mixed team event between LPGA and the PGA

660
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 1: Tour for a decade plus. It's the most no brainer

661
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: idea in the whole world. The fact that they can't

662
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: get it done is ridiculous and it Lives sounds like

663
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 1: Lives are just gonna do it next year, and that

664
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: would be you talk about a fun, dynamic format that

665
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: people would love. Um. And then so you know, as

666
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: you're saying why, like why are done? Like why is

667
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: it so now? They will now they're going to right,

668
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: they've been talking about right. I remember like three commissioners

669
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: ago on that for the LPGA they were talking about it.

670
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: So this is to your point is now there's urgency.

671
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: Now there's pressure to to innovate and to get things done.

672
00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:00,280
Speaker 1: And um, you know even the we can all agree

673
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: that the term shotgun is kind of weird for a

674
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: big time professional golf event, and it seems hogy because

675
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: it's what we do for you know, you're playing in

676
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: a charity event for the local hospital here or whatever.

677
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: But I've come to actually like it having now covered

678
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: these two, these two live events, because everything's happening all

679
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: at once, and it's bang bang bang, And you go

680
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 1: to a regular tour event and guys are teen off

681
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: all day long, and it's like, if you know, if

682
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: I'm on the West Coast and I sleep in and

683
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: they're playing on the East Coast, I could miss my

684
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: some guys I care about, they're like almost done or

685
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: the round by the time I get up and eat

686
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: my Coco puffs. Like there is something pleasing about all

687
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: the players playing all at the same time. And I

688
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm not suggesting the PGA Tours to adopt

689
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: that model, but when't I think we all pushed back. Oh,

690
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: shotgun starts, that's so hokey, But now that I've actually

691
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: seen an action, it's kind of fun. And even this

692
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: team mask protective cool question, why why couldn't they have

693
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: shotgun starts? For the first two rounds and then have

694
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: traditional starts for the last round. They certainly could. I mean,

695
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: I think it's just part of their part of their

696
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: brand of who they are. But on the shotgun for

697
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: the final round is based on the score, so like

698
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: the leaders go off of one, you know, there's there's

699
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: still there, there's there's a sense of order based on scoring. Um.

700
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I think and the thing that

701
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: about Live is I think they're open to tweaking and

702
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: innovating and maybe they will do that. You know, there

703
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: there's there's there's not much dogma over there, like they

704
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: kind of roll with it and we may see some

705
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: some changes to that. But um, so yeah, it's as

706
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: as you're saying, Matt, I mean, this is probably the

707
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: spark that golf needed to really change some things. Now

708
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: we can all agree it's probably unfortunate where the funding

709
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: is coming from. But when you set that piece aside,

710
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: which is not easy to do, but when you just

711
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 1: look at it as as competition, um and leads to innovation,

712
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: I think that I think that there's definitely something going

713
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: on here. And I want to come back to something

714
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: Michael you said about Graham, where he's made millions of

715
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: dollars and he's got enough, and and you know, look,

716
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: who are we to know or judge what's enough for

717
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: Graham mcdot. I don't know his you know, you know,

718
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: he's at a divorce, he's got you know whatever, you know,

719
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: business investors like I don't know, Like I just don't

720
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: feel good about being in a position to say you've

721
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: got enough, you know, like I don't, I don't know,

722
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: I don't know what I think that's a decision. Also,

723
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: that's just incredibly personal whatever is going on, you know,

724
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I live in a family in which

725
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: a lot of us are trying to help, you know,

726
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: my parents, Like, I mean, it's just it's it's very complicated.

727
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 1: It just feels a little too intrusive for me to

728
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: sort of say that you have enough, you don't need anymore.

729
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 1: You know, these are young guys, they're gonna they've got

730
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: kids who are gonna go like you know, who knows

731
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: you're going? You know, I just don't. I just don't know.

732
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: I I this is I Look, I'll be the first

733
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: to admit and like I said earlier, you know, when

734
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: it first went down and we're listening, you know, and

735
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: and I think we all agreed that Nicholson had some

736
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: good points. Early on, it felt that he was making

737
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: him on behalf of himself he was, you know, it

738
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: was the way he was doing it and who he

739
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: was doing it with. We always obviously had problems with

740
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: that right out of the gate. But the more I'm

741
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: spending time listening and learning and hearing both sides, I

742
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: just I'm I'm I'm I'm just more empathetic or or

743
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: sympathetic or I'm just kind of in the middle now,

744
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: I just I'm I'm loving the fact that we're challenging

745
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: status quo. I see why a guy like Pat Perez

746
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: or Paul Casey or Brooks kept Goo or these guys

747
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: would would do what they're doing and how they're doing

748
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: it for what they're getting paid to do it. And

749
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: and I see the other side of wanting to maintain

750
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: this pristine structure of the PGA tour and the legacy

751
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: that comes along with it, a number of tour wins.

752
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: You know, we just got to get over the fact

753
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: that eighty two and fifteen or forty six and six

754
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: or you know, it's just not going to happen again,

755
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: it's not it's just not likely to be where where

756
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: the game goes that because of the amount of money

757
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: that is being thrown around the game, like I just

758
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 1: and the and the youth, and the amount of players

759
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: that are coming up. It just it's this is the

760
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 1: dawn of a new day. I just want to say,

761
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you about judging any other person's

762
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: financial life completely. But if you just look at the

763
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,959
Speaker 1: broad picture, let's not even make a personal to Graham

764
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: mcdell or anybody else. Most of these successful to our

765
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: players have made ninety nine point nine percent more, you know,

766
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: than the than the average American worker could make. They'll

767
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: make more in a year, far the average American sou

768
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: And really we've seen it in every sport. We don't

769
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: care about the size of the contracts. And I think,

770
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: you know, one I know, I've written this and everyone

771
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: I think would probably agree with this. One thing it's

772
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: really getting lost here is that we pay for all

773
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: of this, where we the fans pay for all of this.

774
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: And I feel like Jay Monahan has done a poorer

775
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: job of starting with the fans interest in the game

776
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: and all the things that we're talking about. And you

777
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: both made very good points about the good initiatives that

778
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 1: would come out of this. Why isn't there mixed play?

779
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: Why isn't their team play? You know, why isn't there

780
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: and that all those things really should come out of Ultimately, Now,

781
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: what did the players want? How do we make more

782
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,919
Speaker 1: money for the for the players? But where do fans

783
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 1: actually want to see? Because that's really the starting point

784
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: for well, even if we make this more about our jobs,

785
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: which is to bring fun stuff to fans, it's people

786
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: who follow the collective closely. No, we've had some battles

787
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: with the tour, the PGA tour as far as being

788
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: able to do the thing, the kind of content we want,

789
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: and whereas on live tour anything goes I mean I can.

790
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: I'm out there taping shots and throwing up on Twitter,

791
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: you know, these thirty second videos. Nobody cares that they're

792
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 1: happy you're doing it. You're promoting their product. You know

793
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: that you can do literally anything you want out there

794
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: as a reporter as far as filming, live tweeting, all

795
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: these things that are forbidden on the PGA tour, and

796
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: that have led to some of our battles with the

797
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: PGA Tour and so our colleague Bryant French Money Qinfod's

798
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: going to Caddy next week at the Reno Tahoe Open.

799
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: And I was having a dialogue with a PGA tour

800
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: about a few different things, and I meant, today this

801
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: is coming up again, and we've had some missues like well,

802
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 1: send us an email and tell us what you want.

803
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: Just make all your asks and we'll review it. And

804
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: so I send this long email with a bunch of

805
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: line items, most of them overly ambitious. They said, yes,

806
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 1: every everything but one, and like that is an example

807
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 1: of what the Live competition is probably doing a pg

808
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: tour headquarters where they're the saying, you know what, we

809
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 1: have to be a little more open minded. We have

810
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: to recognize that we have a competitor who's doing things

811
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: a very different way, and maybe that's going to shift

812
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: us in a different direction. And you know, the fans

813
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: are going to be the winner, because now Ryan's gonna

814
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: be out there between the ropes taking videos, live tweeting,

815
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 1: interviewing Baldwin as they go. There's all kinds of cool

816
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: content that comes out of the Reno Taha Open, which

817
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: is a tournament that no one really pays attention to

818
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: it's against the Open Championship at Saint Andrew's. But for

819
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: the hardcore fans who have followed this journey of Ryan

820
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: and Mark, they're gonna love it and they're gonna get

821
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: a lot more out of it. And you know, so

822
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: that's a that's a small example of how competition is

823
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 1: changing the PGA Tour business model. And um, it's gonna

824
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: be really fun for the for the fans, which is

825
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: what None of this exists except for the fans. I mean,

826
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: professional golf has one purpose only that is to entertain

827
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: golf fans. Otherwise everything goes away. And so, um, you know,

828
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 1: I think that we're already seeing some some some shifting

829
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: attitudes in Pontovitra beats and for the better. I'll tell

830
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: you right now to play golf with Dustin Johnson and

831
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 1: watch him hit that golf ball and do what he does.

832
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 1: If he had someone who helped helped read those greens

833
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: because they're tricky out there. At adare manner, he could

834
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: have shot sixty four with ease. I mean two under

835
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: was the highest, you know, the sort of highest he

836
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: could have shot yesterday. He is he is such he's

837
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 1: so good at the game of golf. It is unbelievable,

838
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 1: you know. And I've played in a lot of poems

839
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 1: and I've I've played with Brooks and I've played with

840
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: Phil and these guys are these guys are these guys

841
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: are fun to watch and so I you know, in

842
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 1: the forty thousand fans that were out there yesterday had

843
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: the time of their lives. I mean the kids, the

844
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: Irish kids, and the applause, and they were so gracious.

845
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: The crowd was so gracious. JP didn't allow drinking with

846
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: the fans on the golf course. He's just not you know.

847
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 1: He wanted to keep the atmosphere respectful and I think

848
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 1: that had a huge impact on the general tone of

849
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: the day was very warm, very cordial. There was no comments.

850
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: I mean, Graham mcdowll's from northern Ireland. This was in Ireland. Uh,

851
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: he's gone to live there, you know. He received, you know,

852
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: very complimentary applause at every tea, at every green you know. Uh,

853
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: and you asked about how Jamonhams. You know, Graham, this

854
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: is really this is definitely affecting Graham. This is he

855
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, you can tell this is you know, his

856
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 1: his dream would have been to host and captain the

857
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 1: Ryder Cup at a dare manner in Ireland in twenty

858
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: twenty seven, and he expressed that and he said that

859
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: would have been that would be an incredible Swan song

860
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 1: sort of and and a feather in my cap of

861
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: my career. And now I don't now, I don't know

862
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: if that's even possible. I don't know, you know, and

863
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,839
Speaker 1: you generally, I you know, generally, I felt bad for him.

864
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he got the money, he got

865
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 1: the deal, and I found myself feeling sorry for him.

866
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: And I don't know. It's just a it's just a

867
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: weird it's a weird, constantly evolving set of emotions. And

868
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have been very reactionary,

869
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: most notably I think the PGA tour like it's been

870
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: very it just seems all very reaction and the players

871
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: reacting to each other and what's being said and text

872
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: messages and you're not my friend anymore and you don't

873
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: I'm not talking to you and f you and this

874
00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: and that and man like it's wild. There is a

875
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: long history of money not making laugh. Yeah, that's well,

876
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: there you go. Alan, Do you have a sense of

877
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: how many Trump courses will be on the docket uh

878
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 1: next year on the lib seris Yeah, I mean I'm

879
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: going to say more than two. I mean they've they've

880
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: got They've got two out of eight. They're going to

881
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,919
Speaker 1: add six more venues. You know that Trump is dying

882
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 1: to get an event at Turnberry. That would just be

883
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: an ultimate middle finger to the RNA or Aberdeen or yeah, yeah,

884
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: for sure, dune bag. I mean, um, but I think there,

885
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: you know, Turnberry has a mystique. We all miss seeing

886
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,319
Speaker 1: the open at Turnberry. The RNA has made it very

887
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: clear they're not going to take it there while Trump's

888
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: still breathing, and so that to me would be a

889
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: no brainer. Um yeah, I mean that That's part of

890
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 1: what's wild here is I think we can all agree

891
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: that gas prices may or may not cost Joe Biden

892
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: any chance of of repeating as the president. Right, Saudi

893
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: Arabia can literally decide the next election. If they started

894
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: pumping like crazy and they dropped gas prices by a

895
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: dollar two dollars in the US, like Joe Biden's chances

896
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: of getting reelected or any Democrat goes way up if

897
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: they hold a hard line that's gonna make it, that's

898
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: going to affect the presidential race in a profound way.

899
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: And you know that in a few weeks a lot

900
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: of the Saudi Arabian elite is going to be in

901
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: bedminister at Trump's course where he's the master of ceremonies,

902
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: and how many quiet little conversations are going to take

903
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: place about Trump's future, about the election, about oil and

904
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 1: like this little rinkyding golf tournament could affect the fate

905
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 1: of the free world. And when you think about that,

906
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 1: it makes your mind melt. But it's just true. And

907
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: so that is a backdrop to all this is bigger

908
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: than Graham mcdowalll's writer cup presidency. Chances like there is

909
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: there are forces at work here that are very powerful.

910
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,040
Speaker 1: They're going to affect all of us and directly. And

911
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: to think that, you know, this little this little circuit

912
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 1: that Greg Norman has put together could could could determine

913
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: the United States presidency. This is not science fiction. I'm

914
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: not a conspiracy theorist. This is like actual fact. It's wild. Well,

915
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: can someone catch me up on what did Tom Freeman

916
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: say in that podcast on Golfer's Journal about politics and

917
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: golf bookmarked. I don't listen to what he's saying at

918
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: I I just started listening. I literally I was. I'm

919
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: about twelve minutes into it, um and when I had

920
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: to jump on with you guys, and I read the

921
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 1: summary and and Tom Friedman, you know who I've always

922
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: really highly respect and actually got a chance to play

923
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: Pine Valley with at one point in my life with

924
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: with with Jerry Tardy and fascinating, you know, his ability

925
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: to simplify really complex situations I've always marveled at. And

926
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: you know his is what I've taken so far is

927
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: this general sense that politics doesn't have a place in golf,

928
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: not in our local community. When we show up and

929
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 1: we're playing golf, we're having conversations this you know, the

930
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: game should be sort of void of politics, that this

931
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: should be a place where we get together and and

932
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: sort of uh get we can have these relationships to

933
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: cultivate this the camaraderie the game does without having to

934
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: worry about who you vote for and why before the

935
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: politics of the implications of of sort of the politics

936
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,919
Speaker 1: and having its place sort of in the general conversation

937
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: around the game. That very idealistic. That's but I mean

938
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: it would be nice. I mean it's refreshing. And that's

939
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: you know when he said it. When I when I

940
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: first heard it, it was like, well, that's what I

941
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,919
Speaker 1: love about goat Hill Park in my community golf course

942
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: and my municipal is that we're all getting together and

943
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: it's about the round, the families, the camaraderie, the match,

944
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: you know, the monthly battle, the score that did you

945
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: shoot your best score? A great shot? There's just everybody

946
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:23,240
Speaker 1: wants everybody to play, well, you know, what's the next tournament.

947
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 1: I you know, it's really kind of refreshing that at

948
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:33,320
Speaker 1: goad Hill Park that it's not about politics, right, but

949
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: um I remember everyone that's lovely and I and then

950
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: the whole world agrees that the in the world will

951
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: be a better place with more of that. But in

952
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: years and years ago, I was playing bell Air and

953
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: we were traveling around and Eddie Murton said, where are

954
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 1: you guys going next to? So we're going to the

955
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: Valley Club. Eddie Murtons didn't know me from Adam Eddiemurtins,

956
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: a long time pro at bill Air. He says, well,

957
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 1: tell you something about that Valley Club. What I like

958
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: about it is they checked their politics and their religion

959
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: at the door. It was just such stunning thing for

960
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: him to say because he know me and it was

961
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: so personal. And of course it's a great way to

962
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: go around business. And if we gather, you know, with

963
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: playing with whomever at any public course and people are

964
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: civil to each other and played by the rules and

965
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: enjoy each other's company, that's all great. But when the

966
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 1: PGA made when the PGA of America made a decision

967
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,720
Speaker 1: to move the PGA Championship from Trump Beadminster to Tulsa,

968
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: that was a political decision. Well yeah, I mean that's

969
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: the thing. And understand that a lot of people say,

970
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 1: I don't want politics and sports, but politics and sports

971
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: have been bedfellows since at least the Berlin Olympics in

972
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty six. I mean, this goes way back. Muhammad

973
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: Ali is so revered because of his political stances. And

974
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: what's the defining image of the Olympics. It's it's John

975
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: Carlos and Tommy Smith and the raised gloves, I mean

976
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: of any Olympics. And you know, you can go on

977
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: down the list and you know, what are the most

978
00:55:54,560 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 1: important golf developments in our since we've been covering the game. Obviously,

979
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods victories is probably the top of the list,

980
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 1: but Shoal Creek is right up there. The Augusta National

981
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: membership controversy is right up there. Now Live Golf. I mean,

982
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: it's just you can't hide from reality. You can't exist

983
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 1: in a bubble. It's a it's a wonderful idea, but

984
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 1: you know, we got the golf rolls made up of

985
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,760
Speaker 1: human beings, and we are all defined by these forces

986
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: and these beliefs that we hold and we carry. And

987
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: um so I like what Tom Freeman is saying, but

988
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a little to me, um naive. I mean,

989
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: it's just especially this moment that we're in right now.

990
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: And um and yeah, well let's listen. We should probably

991
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 1: all listen to the to the podcast before I don't

992
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: want to pick up phrase Tom Freeman. I mean, you know,

993
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: the hook right out of the gate in the in

994
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 1: the podcast is so, I mean, I want to hear

995
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 1: his full sort of articulation of it, his kind of

996
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: perspective before I really get too hard on Tom, you know,

997
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: or make it sound like you know, he's saying something

998
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: that's because again, we're all making good points as to

999
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 1: how it all trickles in and out and into our world,

1000
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: and golf is our world, so it's it's gonna it's

1001
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: gonna be there, whether whether we like it or not.

1002
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: But there are a few people on the political landscape

1003
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 1: more nuanced than Tom Freeman. But I'm pretty sure you

1004
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: did an excellent job for Gichi in the nineteen seventy team.

1005
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: I'm I'm really looking forward to the Open week again.

1006
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: I think it's another place, the home of golf, the reverence,

1007
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 1: the respect, the history one hundred and fifty years, you know,

1008
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: and and part of me feels like another aspect of

1009
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: what's what's going to take place with the development of

1010
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: liv and the PGA tour is is amplifying the meaning

1011
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: of major championships. I think the fact that the fields

1012
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 1: do come together and that this is the fields that

1013
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: are going to determine a major championship winner in a

1014
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: way makes that more interesting one million percent absolutely, And

1015
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: it does become these guys, these guys want to win

1016
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: the Open because at Saint Andrew's and that's the only

1017
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: thing that really matters. But if if if it's Dustin

1018
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 1: or it's Brooks or it's one of these guys who

1019
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: plays on the live tour that's actually really important for

1020
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: that tour right now where there's a lot of talk

1021
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: about it, it's just it's all these guys past their prime,

1022
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 1: and um, we don't need them and they can all

1023
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 1: just go cast their checks and they're they're not relevant anymore.

1024
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: Like if a live guy does win There's it's the

1025
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:46,959
Speaker 1: most prestigious thing on the planet. And open at St.

1026
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: Andrew's that is the top of the pyramid and even

1027
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 1: more than a US Open and Pebble Beach or you know,

1028
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 1: probably even more than a Master's, like because they only

1029
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: come around every five or seven years. You win and

1030
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: open at Saint Andrew's, that that is the crowning moment

1031
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: of any golfer's career. And if it's one of these

1032
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: live guys, it does just add a whole subtext to it.

1033
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: So again, you can't escape this stuff no matter what.

1034
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: Dj A US open at Oakmont, a Master's and it

1035
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: opened at Saint Andrews. Even contending for an open at

1036
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: Saint Andrews and doing with a certain amount of style

1037
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: as as Arnold did and Watson did, elevates you in

1038
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: the game. Yep, completely agree with you know, just a

1039
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: quick note about met what you were saying about the

1040
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: Four Majors, um like I love tennis, I don't follow

1041
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 1: it closely. I followed the four Majors. I don't even

1042
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: know what they do the other weeks of the year.

1043
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: I don't understand the Davis Cup. I really just don't.

1044
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: And Jim Carter has explained it to me, and I

1045
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: still don't really understand it. That's about me, not you, Jim,

1046
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: if you're listening. But the other day I'm watching Wimbledon

1047
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: and it's two women I haven't heard of, and they're

1048
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,439
Speaker 1: playing the quarterfinals. One's a young woman, one's a married mom.

1049
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: And the married mom's slice slice, slice, slice, slice shots

1050
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 1: and she wins, and she's German, she speaks perfect English,

1051
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: and she says it is such a pleasure to play here.

1052
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: And I was like, Wow, that's the whole thing, and

1053
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: that's what that's what we're going to have four times

1054
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,680
Speaker 1: a year from now and forever, and we're going especially

1055
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: gonna happen next week at the Old Course. What a

1056
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 1: players in the year. And it really doesn't mean of

1057
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: get Poston wins or if Louis wins or whomever wins,

1058
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: they've won on the old course. Like you guys were

1059
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: saying just a minute ago, that's really to quote the

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Speaker 1: ad what it's all about. It's not the ad, it's life,

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Speaker 1: that is what it's all about. And that's why word

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Speaker 1: excited right now. I love it. What I should say

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Speaker 1: that where are you are? You were in Ireland, I'm

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Speaker 1: in Dublin, I'm I'm I'm gonna I'm here. I left

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Speaker 1: a Dare manner this afternoon and I'm gonna play a

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Speaker 1: couple more rounds Old Head Sea Point and they're kind

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Speaker 1: of redoing that there and and car Golf's involved in that.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going out up there with Marty. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to go back to a Dare and going too a

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Speaker 1: wedding on Sunday. Then Monday we're doing some shooting for

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Speaker 1: the Grind, catching up with a couple of the prominent

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Speaker 1: Irish players that are that are on the way up

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Speaker 1: and telling their stories, and then Tuesday off to Sandrews. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's see. I think we should leave it there because

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Speaker 1: we're going to tape an open preview that will be

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Speaker 1: the three of us plus m Jeff Ogilvie's always such

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Speaker 1: a great voice on these fire drills, and we'll drop

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Speaker 1: that for Monday of Open week to really talk about

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Speaker 1: the course, the history, the larger themes that don't involve

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Speaker 1: live golf, and it's not something for the listeners to

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Speaker 1: look forward to. And of course the three of us

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Speaker 1: will be in Saint Andrews and we'll be doing all

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Speaker 1: kinds of typing, podcasting, video storytelling, tweeting and you name it.

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Speaker 1: So it's gonna be it's gonna be a fun week.

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Speaker 1: We set the bar really high at the US Open

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Speaker 1: a brookline as far as the amount of content. But

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Speaker 1: and of course Ryan French will be at the Reno Tahoe.

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Speaker 1: He'll be writing every day, so it's gonna be another

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Speaker 1: big week for the fire Pit. And but this was

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Speaker 1: a fun conversation and I think this is it's the

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Speaker 1: first of many like this is gonna be an ongoing

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Speaker 1: thing that we're gonna have to check back in as

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Speaker 1: developments warrant. But any final thoughts before we go, gents, Well,

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Speaker 1: my one quick fool final though would be parking. How's

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Speaker 1: your job going? That's really good? I said, was Well,

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Speaker 1: a big part of it is talking about golf and

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Speaker 1: they're like, what a racket. Well, and by the way,

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Speaker 1: we are a breakaway league. The fire Pit Collective is

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Speaker 1: representative of not necessarily feeling good in kind of mainstream

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Speaker 1: media and feeling maybe there's a different way of doing things.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we can do it on our own. Maybe we

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Speaker 1: can have more control over who we are in the

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Speaker 1: marketability of our own individual brands, and maybe we can

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Speaker 1: start something and kind of innovate, uh, you know, distribution

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Speaker 1: of storytelling through videos and podcasts and socials. And Matt,

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Speaker 1: let me just say this about that. There are parallels,

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Speaker 1: but we are independently owned and operated. Well it's here

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Speaker 1: you go, all right, James. This was fun as it

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Speaker 1: always is to the listeners. Thanks for baron with us.

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Speaker 1: We will be in your ear a lot in the

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Speaker 1: coming week from Saint Andrews, Scotland, one of the great

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Speaker 1: places on the planet. So this is Alan Schipnak. That

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Speaker 1: was Michael Bamberger and Matt Janelle. This is another fire

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Speaker 1: Drill podcast in the books and we'll do it again soon.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Put another log on the fire nobody

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Speaker 1: hears given time. M