1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Hello you. Oh my god. I wanted to say that 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 1: for quite some time now, and today was the perfect 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: excuse to pull out that iconic Joe Goldberg line, welcome, welcome, 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: welcome to I've never said this before with me, Tommy 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 1: Di Dario, No, and not Joe Goldberg. Happy to report 6 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: it is me, But I am so excited because the 7 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: fan favorite TV series You is back for their final 8 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: season and today's guest is the badass, brand new final 9 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: girl and object of Joe's affection, Madeline Brewer. You know 10 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: and love Madeline from her Emmy nominative portrayal of Janine 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: and Hulu's The Handmaid's Tale, which is also out right 12 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: now in its sixth and final season. So between The 13 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: Handmaid's Tale and this final season of You, Madeline is 14 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: busy and booked, and let me tell you it is 15 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: all well deserved, because if you know her work, you 16 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: know that she delivers some of the most powerful performances 17 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: in all of television. And yes, she has a bunch 18 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: of impressive TV and film credits under her belt, even 19 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: a stint on the West Stending Cabaret. But all of 20 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: that is to say she is certainly one to keep 21 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: watching Oh, and my favorite thing perhaps is she's from Jersey, 22 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: and when you put two Jersey natives together in a room, 23 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: well anything can happen. And let me tell you, we 24 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: kind of go in a lot of different directions in 25 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: this conversation, but it's fun, I promise. So let's see 26 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 1: if today we can get Madeline to say something that 27 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: she has never said before. Mattel and Brewer, how are you? 28 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 2: How are you? 29 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: I kind of love you already. I'm just gonna say it. 30 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: We've been talking good time. I know we've been talking 31 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,839 Speaker 1: off camera and I'm like, Oh, I like your vibe. 32 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: You're fine, You're fun. I feel like you're really fun 33 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 1: at a party. 34 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 2: Oh, I have to say I am quite fun. Well, 35 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 2: it's because I like, I love a martini and a boogie. 36 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 1: Oh okay, So you like to break it down. 37 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: I absolutely do. If there's a dance floor, I will 38 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: find it. 39 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: Well. I don't want to brag, but I was a 40 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: hip hop instructor at the YMCA and New Jersey growing up. 41 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 2: So are you from New Jersey? 42 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: I am from New Jersey's part Union County, Berkeley Heights. 43 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I'm from Gloucester County. I'm from way 44 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: south outside of Philly, Jersey. I mean, we find each other. 45 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: We always find no wonder why I like you. Oh 46 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: my god, I knew it. I knew it. 47 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:08,679 Speaker 2: Well. 48 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: I am so excited for everything you have going on. 49 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: You are right now on two of the hottest shows 50 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: this spring, like who gets to do that? Right, the 51 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: Handmaid's Tale and you killing it. But I feel like 52 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: you have had a lot going on on both of 53 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: these shows, Like, yeah, the level of intensity and the 54 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: things your characters. 55 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: Have to do, you have to do, have to go through, 56 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: have to put up with. 57 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: Well, I brought you a gift because I feel like 58 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: we need to start properly, and I want you to 59 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: take this yea, And I want you to sage your 60 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: whole life. When you leave, sage your entire life. That 61 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: is for you. You just light it and release that 62 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: energy now that you're wrapping those shows and start fresh. 63 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of like release some of the bad vibe. 64 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: It's been a lot hot, but fun. 65 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: The best experiences of my life, I mean, bar none, 66 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: Like I've had so much fun. I've gotten to play 67 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: two vastly different characters, both a little bit nutty in 68 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: their own ways and I mean, I just came from 69 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 2: my final session of ADR for The Handmaid's Tale, so 70 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 2: I watched the finale. Can I can see on my 71 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,119 Speaker 2: face a tear in my full glam? I got done 72 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 2: this morning because I had to like do glam, go 73 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: to ADR, and then come here weeping, weeping. It is 74 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 2: a gorgeous, gorgeous finale. Lizzie Moss directed, and really there's 75 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 2: nothing that this woman can't do. So I don't know 76 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: why I was surprised at all that it is the 77 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: most extraordinary episode of the Handmaid's Tale I've ever seen. 78 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: Wow. 79 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: Wow, it's wonderful. 80 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: With all of this going on, do you feel like, man, 81 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: I've arrived, I'm here. 82 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 2: I mean, I guess, like yes and no. I'm doing 83 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: like more press than I've ever done, especially with having 84 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: two shows come out almost simultaneously. But I'm an actor 85 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: and I'm already looking for what my next project will be. 86 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: I do feel in a position to be a like 87 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 2: a touch more picky than I have been, because I 88 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 2: really want to be. I want to make a very 89 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 2: conscious decision, a very deliberate decision about where what I 90 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 2: decided to do next. I've also spent the last like 91 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: nine years in Gilead, and there's a trauma in and 92 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 2: of itself to be in that place for so many years. 93 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 2: And then like I mean, you'll see it in the 94 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: final season of You. It's what's some tough stuff, Like 95 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: it's intense and like you know, the things you have 96 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 2: to research to kind of get into these characters, Like 97 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 2: spending a lot of time researching domestic violence is not 98 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 2: super fun but totally necessary part of the job. And 99 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 2: that's my favorite thing. I feel like that's my bread 100 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 2: and butter, is the research. I think I'm an okay 101 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 2: actor too, but I love to do the research. 102 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I that. I mean that's a lot to 103 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: put your mind through consistently for so many years between 104 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: the two shows. Like I said earlier, it's a lot 105 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: of intense moments that you have to go through as 106 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: a human being, yes, as a character, but you have 107 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: to feel it. I mean, that's your job to feel it. 108 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 2: Which is wild and like your body doesn't know that 109 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 2: what you're doing isn't real. Like there's an episode, I mean, 110 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 2: especially the finale of You, and also there's one or 111 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 2: two episodes in this final season of Handmaid's Tale where 112 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,119 Speaker 2: I mean I was ignited like I was. My heart 113 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 2: was racing. You know, your body's responding all too in 114 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 2: all like all stress response, like fight or flight. I 115 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 2: begin sweating, like my mouth became dry a little bit 116 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 2: of like palpitations, and I'm like, then I'm just sitting down, 117 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: like having a chat with my friend who was one 118 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 2: of our ads, and I'm like, I think I need 119 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: I think I need to go be quiet. Like it's 120 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 2: traumatizing for your physical self to put yourself in that 121 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 2: place repeatedly. And that's why I think a lot of 122 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 2: actors have really great self care routines. Yeah they should. 123 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: I was going to say, I feel like I would 124 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: need a lot of therapy if I were playing the 125 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: role playing Well, therapy. 126 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 2: Is necessary for everybody, yes, But it's funny. I've never 127 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: actually spoken to a therapist about my characters because I 128 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: do leave like I know how to take care of them, 129 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 2: because I know how to take care of me, so 130 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 2: I know how to do that. Like separation of life 131 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: and work, I'm a set of church and state. Which 132 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 2: where's that going anyway? 133 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: That's really interesting. Well, I'm so excited for everything going on. 134 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: You is just such an amazing show. And I know 135 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: you were such a fan of it before join and 136 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 1: here you are now playing the final girl in the 137 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: final season of such a beloved series. With that, did 138 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: you have any I don't know, trepidation or anxiety joining 139 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: a show that you loved so much? 140 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 2: Anxiety, I don't think anxiety. I mean I was just excited, 141 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 2: really and like honored to be a part of it, 142 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: and really honored that they like trusted me to do 143 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: this final time, like to embody this final person. And 144 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: Bronte is such a wild character that you see her 145 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 2: change throughout the course of the series or the season, 146 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 2: and I was just stoked that they let me come 147 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,239 Speaker 2: play because I am a huge fan and especially season 148 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,679 Speaker 2: one is one of my favorite seasons of television like ever. 149 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 2: And so this this homecoming of coming back to New York, 150 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 2: and you know, I had moved back to New York 151 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: after being in LA for like seven years, and it 152 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: just felt like a real full circle moment for me. 153 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: And you know, walking into Moonies like super fan, like 154 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: girl you would love it. 155 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: Right now, Like. 156 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 2: It was so cool, like really that moment where you know, 157 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: as an actor, you you get to go onto these 158 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 2: magnificent sets and and these costumes and the hair and makeup, 159 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 2: and it's also fun and you drop right in. But 160 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 2: to join something you're already a fan of and so 161 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 2: excited to be a part of the world, and then 162 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 2: to play freaking cool character. Oh a lucky girl. I 163 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 2: am a lucky deck. 164 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: Tell you well, let me tell you that character has 165 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 1: quite a few screws loose. 166 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: She is a. 167 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: Little out there, right is It's so much fun playing 168 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: like that, you know, I mean, I don't want to 169 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: say it comes very easy for you, but you play 170 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: Craig cray a little. 171 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: It's the eyes. I mean, you've got them to crazy. 172 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,080 Speaker 2: We like, it's like when you have big eyes. I 173 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 2: feel like, especially on a screen, one little look it 174 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 2: says a lot. And so that's why on Handmaid's Tale, 175 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 2: I joked that they took away half my real estate, 176 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: because like, this is half my it's half my money maker. 177 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: You're in the iPad. 178 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 2: I'm in the iPad. But no, it was. I love 179 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 2: playing these characters with a bit of a screw loose. 180 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 2: I love playing someone that you're just you kind of 181 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 2: can't figure out. Bronte was is described as enigmatic in 182 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: like the character description, but like she was an enigma 183 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 2: to me. I oftentimes was like, where are we going, 184 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 2: what are we doing? Why are you doing that? And 185 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 2: like I am the audience over here, but also bronte 186 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 2: over here, like fighting, Like how I imagine a lot 187 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 2: of people be when watching the show, like girl, don't 188 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 2: what are you doing? Don't go in there, like yelling, 189 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: and when you're watching a horror movie like I'll be 190 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: right back. 191 00:09:55,760 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, no you won't. Yeah, she's great. It's it's such 192 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: a great character in the final season and people I 193 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: think are going to respond in a variety of different 194 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: ways to her. For sure. This season has a lot 195 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: of intimate moments. Sure does right, and you and Pen 196 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: you deliver. You guys deliver, And I imagine that's something 197 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: as an actor you're used to it, right, But how 198 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: do you get comfortable with a co star like Pen 199 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: and do those moments and do those scenes in form 200 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: that so that it feels kind of normal? 201 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 2: Yeah? Pen and I are both old hat at this, 202 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 2: Like I have done so many like simulated sex scenes. 203 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 2: I also did an entire movie playing a camgirl and like, 204 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 2: I'm very comfortable also that set. Doing the movie cam 205 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 2: taught me a lot about my own autonomy and like 206 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 2: my voice, and so I am very comfortable on a 207 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 2: set like that, I can say, hey, I'm comfortable, Hey 208 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 2: I'm not. This isn't right. How which way are we 209 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 2: shooting this? Can I please see the frame? Like I 210 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 2: know that there are certain things I'm comfortable with and 211 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 2: certain things I'm not, which is why the reduction of 212 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 2: intimacy coordinators has been so essential. Like I think that, yes, 213 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 2: actors should lead the conversation with each other, and an 214 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 2: intimacy coordinator can facilitate those conversations or assist or allow space, 215 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 2: but also hold space, hold space for defying gravity. And 216 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 2: stupid said that I couldn't help it, but I you know, 217 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 2: Penn has been doing this show now on its fifth season. 218 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 2: He's the star of the show. He's one of the 219 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 2: executive producers. Like he has created such a safe environment 220 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 2: by being not only like a wonderful person and a 221 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 2: very kind and generous human being, but also like a 222 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 2: very he's very boundaried, and that's what's important, Like there 223 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 2: are no lines crossed, and I'm really boundaried at work 224 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 2: as well. And I think that we worked beautifully together 225 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 2: because we respected each other's boundaries. We also respected the 226 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 2: work we had to get done and get it done 227 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 2: in the most like, effective, safe, realistic way. And we 228 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 2: had a wonderful intimacy coordinator, Alison Jones, and did facilitate 229 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 2: a lot of conversations and also like allowed us to 230 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: figure out what was the best choreography for the scene, 231 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 2: what we were comfortable with. And that's how it's got 232 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 2: to get done. It's just a lot of like communication 233 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 2: and trust. 234 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: Has anything ever gone terribly wrong? 235 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 2: Yes, but I'm not going to talk on that, not 236 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 2: at all, on you, not on handmaids Tale, but in 237 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 2: the past. 238 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: Yes, So now you're ready for anything. 239 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 2: I mean, I know how to protect myself and I 240 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: know how to look out for the people around me, 241 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 2: and I also know how to ask questions and how 242 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 2: to have boundaries, and I had to learn on the job, 243 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 2: and I also had to learn through feeling taken advantage of. 244 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: So I learned how to protect myself and don't mess 245 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:53,719 Speaker 2: with me. 246 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 1: That coming out. 247 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 2: I know, girls take the girl out of do, but 248 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,599 Speaker 2: you truly can't take the jersey out of the you know, 249 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 2: good for. 250 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: You, Good for you. I think it's important that we 251 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: all under those situations or any stressful situation right that 252 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: we're in our jobs that we know how to stand 253 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: up for ourselves and say something. It's the hardest thing 254 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: to do sometimes, but it's the most important thing to do. 255 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, And also it's because it was born out 256 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 2: of the fact that I didn't have a voice at 257 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 2: other times and I felt so unprotected and unsafe that 258 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 2: I learned. And I do credit our Isa Letz, who 259 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 2: wrote Cam really taught me just by doing how to 260 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 2: protect myself. She was so protective of me shooting CAM 261 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 2: that I learned how to speak up. I mean, she 262 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 2: was so on my team and made me feel more empowered. 263 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 2: And that's like it was just like invaluable to me. 264 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 2: And now I take it with me in every job 265 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 2: that I do. And it's not only in intimate scenes. 266 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 2: It's all over the map. Like I know what I like, 267 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: I know what I don't like, I know how to compromise, 268 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 2: but I also know how to stand my ground. 269 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: And you're not afraid to say what you need to 270 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: say to stand that ground. 271 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 2: Good friend, anymore, I'm in my thirties, good for you. 272 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: Isn't there freedom in that? Right? Like growing older and 273 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: like finding out who we are more and more each day, 274 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 1: and realizing that the person you were maybe ten years ago, 275 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: even on a set, afraid to say something, is no 276 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: longer that person anymore. Yeah, it's amazing. 277 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love her and I protect myself for her, 278 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 2: you know. 279 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so awesome. Rock On. I love that that 280 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 1: you're in this new era of your life where you 281 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: feel good, you know, speaking of your truth. That's really 282 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: really cool. I think this show this season is going 283 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: to surprise so many people for a variety of different reasons. 284 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: People love Joe Goldberg, the killer of this series, which 285 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: is a little problematic, but also okay, you know, we're 286 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: gonna go with it. Yeah, fine, I guess, but he's 287 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: become this beloved character for whatever the reasons may be. 288 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: How would you answer this question, what are three ways 289 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: that you can outsmart Joe Goldberg? 290 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 2: How do I say this with any level of brevity? 291 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 2: Because he's so complicated and dealing with complicated and dangerous 292 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 2: people means a lot of like adaptation and like kind 293 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 2: of on your toes prepared for anything, but so outsmarting 294 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 2: Joe Goldberg how friendship, adaptation, and dedication. Okay, and those 295 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 2: three things I think that Bronte. Really she has to 296 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 2: have all of those things. It's like the only way 297 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 2: that she gets through. 298 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, well you see it all in the season for sure. 299 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: So that's a good, a good little setup for it. 300 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: I have to ask, because I was such a fan 301 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: of Gossip Girl growing up, did you watch Gossip Girl? Never? 302 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: Never saw so you weren't on setting? Like okay an 303 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: episode four of season three when you're all at the 304 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving table, like none of that, you don't. 305 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 2: I had none of it? What I know, I just 306 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 2: like kind of missed. I think I spent a few 307 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 2: two years long, too many years long, like still watching SpongeBob, 308 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 2: like I was still in my life classic like Goofy 309 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 2: Girl era, still just being like a kid. I don't know, 310 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 2: while everybody else was watching, like watching gossip Girl and 311 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 2: like One Tree Hill, and I just wasn't really into it. 312 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 2: I went straight from SpongeBob to Jersey Shore moved. 313 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: Oh my god, do you know when I started dating 314 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: who is my husband now? Him and his friends wanted 315 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: to go to the Jersey shorehouse so wet the Jersey Shore. 316 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: My family has a home and lava Lette and we 317 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: were at the Jersey Shore home at like two in 318 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: the morning doing the tour. 319 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 2: Weirdly, also went at like two am, but in the 320 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 2: middle of like January in high school. 321 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: As one ship at two am to the Jersey Shore home. 322 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: It right, you saw the duck phone. 323 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: No, I didn't see the duck phone. 324 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: Well that's a loss on your part, because it was 325 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: pretty amazing. 326 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 2: We did see like the because you know it has 327 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: like the Italian flag. 328 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: I put up the Italian flag. I'm an Italian from Jersey. Yes, 329 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: I know that's amazing. Yeah. 330 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you're a Dario. 331 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 1: Yes, but that's that's another's another connection. See, I knew 332 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: I loved you when you walked in. 333 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 2: My mom's maiden name is Faccio Ros. Oh my god, 334 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 2: I love we love it. 335 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: I love our. I could turn listen to a whole 336 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: Italian episode. 337 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 2: And all the food and cookies. 338 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: But I'm not going to digress because I'm very close 339 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: to doing it. Oh my god, now I'm distracted thinking 340 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: of my aunt's cookies that she makes every Christmas. 341 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 2: You like an Italian cookie? 342 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they're the Rocotta cookies. Italian cookieser to die for. 343 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 2: You've never been to Isros in Philly never Oh my god, 344 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: the best Italian cookies you'll ever have were like my 345 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:57,479 Speaker 2: favorite bakery. 346 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: So interested in all. Okay, this is about you, to you, 347 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: back to you, to me, back to you, this back. Okay. 348 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: Are we going to get anything done today? Probably? And 349 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: I'm okay with it. I'm totally okay with the carry on. 350 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: This show has such a hungry appetite, we'll say, online, 351 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: and people have so many interesting opinions and theories, and 352 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: when it comes out, I feel like it's always trending 353 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 1: and it's one of the most talked about shows uh 354 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: that exists in my opinion, Are you ready for all 355 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: of that because it's gonna you are going to be 356 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: the subject of conversation for months with the show coming out. 357 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm I think I'm okay. I mean, 358 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 2: I have a really solid support system. I am like, 359 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 2: very comfortable in who I am. I also like, when 360 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 2: it was announced that I would play Bronte, I did 361 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 2: go on the comments and someone was like, oh my god, 362 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 2: she's ugly, and I was like, listen, no, and I 363 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,120 Speaker 2: mean this truly, like I may not be your cup 364 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 2: of tea, but I am not ugly. Like, Okay, if 365 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,919 Speaker 2: you think I'm ugly I've done. That sucks for you 366 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: because you're missing out on how beautiful I am. 367 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: There we go. 368 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 2: No, I just like I think I'm gonna be fine. 369 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 2: I saw this thing on Instagram or TikTok or something 370 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 2: that was like, if people are giving me hate online, 371 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 2: if they're commenting giving me hate, maybe it's taking away 372 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 2: from them commenting on someone else who maybe might not 373 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 2: be able to take it. And like, I can take it. 374 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 2: That's not a challenge. Don't like do your worst. But 375 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 2: I you know, I feel pretty comfortable. I know who 376 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 2: I am. I'm comfortable with who I am. I've seen 377 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 2: the whole season. I'm very happy with with my character 378 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 2: and with how the series ends. I think it stays 379 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 2: so consistent and stays so true to what it has 380 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 2: been the whole time. It's still the message I think 381 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:55,239 Speaker 2: is as strong as ever, and I'm I'm truly like 382 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 2: honored to be a part of its legacy because I 383 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,439 Speaker 2: think that it is so slept on and like not 384 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 2: just like yes it is. It is like a very 385 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 2: popular show like in pop culture, but like the work 386 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 2: that Penn Badgeley is delivering, especially like through throughout all 387 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 2: five seasons, but especially in the finale episode of like 388 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 2: the final season. It is such beautiful work and I 389 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 2: witnessed it firsthand, and I want him to be nominated 390 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 2: for an Emmy for playing Joe Goldberg. And I don't 391 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 2: mean that to like reward the character, but to understand 392 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 2: that the show has a legacy far beyond like, oh 393 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 2: my god, Joe Goldberg like murder me. You know it's yeah, 394 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 2: I'm so proud of it, and I'm proud of Penn, 395 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 2: and I'm proud of me, and I'm proud of our 396 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 2: whole cast and all of our writers and our directors. 397 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 2: I'm so proud. 398 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And it's interesting you bring that up because 399 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: in our worlds, I always wonder why during Award season 400 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: the five same shows or like the only ones getting 401 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: the buzz and getting talked about, when there's so much 402 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: great art out there and so many great performances, and 403 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,719 Speaker 1: like a show like you should be on her. 404 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 2: I think it should too, but but you know, there 405 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 2: are there are so many there are only so many places, 406 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 2: and I mean there's a lot of great TV, like 407 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 2: TV is in like it's golden era, and I'm very 408 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 2: happy to be working in television. I think some of 409 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 2: the best writers and directors and actors are working in TV. 410 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:36,119 Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean, awards are supposed to be the 411 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 2: cherry on top, you know, it's not the whole thing. 412 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 2: But I do think that Penn Badgeley should have a 413 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 2: gold statue. 414 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, but will feel that way 415 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: about your performance too. You're proving yourself time and time again, 416 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: and I think they're in for a treat. And this show, 417 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: this is a is a reminder that your character is 418 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: not who you are, right. I think there's this funny 419 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: conflation of the two, especially in the world of social media, 420 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: where people get so passionate about these characters and it's 421 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: a role you played and you said goodbye and you're 422 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: you know, now moving on and talking about the series. 423 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 1: But it's not you, I hope, no, it's I think that's. 424 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 2: So funny though. It's like the world that we live 425 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 2: in is like, especially we watch things on our phones 426 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 2: and where do we like look at our phones in 427 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 2: our bed, in our house, in our car, in our bathroom, 428 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 2: like in our intimate spaces, and then you're watching like 429 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 2: a show or a TikTok or an Instagram or something 430 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 2: in an intimate moment, and then you feel like you 431 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 2: can't help but feel some sort of relationship with that 432 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 2: thing that you're witnessing because they're they're in your bed 433 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 2: with you. I mean, I know I've done that. I 434 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 2: saw the actress who plays Meredith on the Office. I 435 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 2: saw her years ago. I was in a casting office 436 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 2: and she'd like opened a door and I was like, 437 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 2: oh my god, hi, and I said hello to her, 438 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 2: like we were best friends, and she was like hey. 439 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god. She doesn't know me, 440 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 2: but I've spent so much time with her, I feel 441 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 2: like I know her. I feel like she's my friend, 442 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 2: and like I can just go up to her and 443 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 2: ask her if she wants to go get a drink, Like, no, 444 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,239 Speaker 2: you don't know me, I don't know you. But it's 445 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 2: such a weird time. I mean, I think that there's 446 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 2: a lot of like parasocial stuff happening because of her 447 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,920 Speaker 2: access to her. I keep looking at this thinking it's 448 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 2: my phone. 449 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: Your sage, my sage. 450 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 2: No, it's way better for me than my phone, right, No, 451 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 2: But anyway, I digress. I'll just yeah, you know, I'm. 452 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: Here for it. I'm here for it, and you're right. 453 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: You're right about that. It's it's the day and agent 454 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,959 Speaker 1: which we consume our entertainment that people feel like they 455 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: have a relationship with the character versus the human who's 456 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: playing that character. Right, It's such an interesting thing to me. 457 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: I have seen so many people talking about the red 458 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: hair in the season of You. People are very intrigued. 459 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: They wonder why that color, how you got the cuts 460 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 1: very bright? Well, because it's not your red hair. 461 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 2: I have blonde hair. 462 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: You have blonde hair. 463 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 2: I'm a blonde. So in the first season of The 464 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 2: Handmai's Dell in twenty sixteen, I had blonde hair, which 465 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 2: I had for my entire life, and Lizzie Elizabeth Moss 466 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 2: is blonde, and they were like, well, we can't possibly 467 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 2: have two blondes, and the crazy one is always going 468 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 2: to be a redhead. So they dyed my hair red 469 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 2: and I love it. I think it suits me really well. 470 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 2: I don't know that I'm going to keep it, but 471 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 2: I just have red hair. So I my hair was 472 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 2: that short because I had like dyed it. I did 473 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 2: a show on the West End with my natural red hair, 474 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 2: and then when I finished that show, I was losing 475 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 2: my mind, because I just played Sally Bowls for like 476 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 2: four and a half months, and I was looking in 477 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 2: the mirror seeing Sally Bowls and was like, I have 478 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 2: to get out of Imar, Germany. So I dyed my 479 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 2: hair almost black, and then I did a movie, and 480 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 2: then within one week I went to go shoot another 481 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 2: movie and I wanted my hair to be blonde. So 482 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 2: I went from nearly black to blonde in like one session, 483 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 2: lost half my hair, had to chop it all off, 484 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 2: then went back red, and then had to chop more off. 485 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 2: And so that's why my hair looked that way, and 486 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 2: it was that bright because I was coming from blonde. 487 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 2: There was no rhyme. I love when people are like 488 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 2: ooh and because of this, and this is why I'm like, no, 489 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 2: it's just logistics. 490 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: Your hair was falling out. You needed a chop. 491 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 2: I needed to stop being blonde, otherwise I would have 492 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 2: a buzz cut right now. And I'm getting married, so 493 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 2: I wouldn't grow my hair out. And I also like 494 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,920 Speaker 2: I was gonna eventually be going back to Handmaid's tail back. 495 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 2: Red's so funny. When I went into that audition for you, 496 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 2: they were like, we thought she was blonde. It's like, 497 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 2: oh sorry, I just died it like two weeks ago, 498 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 2: but all the pictures on my Instagram were still blonde. 499 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 2: They kept it, but they kept it, thank goodness. I mean, 500 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 2: they tried me on a blonde wig that was fabulous, 501 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 2: But I looked like Jessica Simpson in like two thousand 502 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 2: and seven, and I just don't think that was the 503 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 2: vibe so well. 504 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: I think I think the right adds to a little 505 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: bit of HER's. 506 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 2: I mean, she's very much giving manic pixie dream girl, 507 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 2: which is kind of the point because as you'll as 508 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 2: you'll learn, sorry, girl like, she positions herself in that way. 509 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 2: She dresses up a bit like a manic pixie dream 510 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:33,959 Speaker 2: girl to entice him because Joe Goldberg is so easy, 511 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 2: Like she spent all these years learning about him and 512 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 2: trying to understand him and his psyche and and you 513 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 2: know what happened to Beck And so when she thinks 514 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 2: that she can infiltrate, you know, and and meet him 515 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,680 Speaker 2: and and get him to fall in love with her, 516 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 2: she just is a manic pixie dream girl. Yeah, she 517 00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 2: just she has no she is nothing but being super interesting, durable, 518 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 2: like and like a little goofy and complicated, and he 519 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 2: loves that. She knows that he'll lap it up, and 520 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 2: he does. What does happen is she doesn't plan to 521 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 2: fall in love with him. That part wasn't supposed to happen. 522 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: But always makes it complicated. 523 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 2: But like she that's what she adapts. She's like, I 524 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,199 Speaker 2: think I can get him to fall in love with me. 525 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 2: I'll be a manic pixie dream and lo and behold, 526 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:23,880 Speaker 2: she's right. 527 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: Let's talk about a spoiler. So for everybody listening, if 528 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: you have not watched the full season yet, you might 529 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: want to fast forward for the next minute and a 530 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: half two minutes. 531 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 2: I don't know, I talk a lot, maybe five minutes. 532 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: Five minutes. 533 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. 534 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: The switch for your character the best talk to me 535 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: about that. 536 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 2: Oh, I loved it. It was also the switch that 537 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 2: happens like in episode six, directed by Gabby de laal 538 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 2: and with It was basically just me and nov Mal 539 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 2: and I'm like huge baby Reindeer fans, so I was like, 540 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 2: oh my god, I get to hang out with navat 541 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 2: all day and she's so good and she's so like 542 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 2: Stern in that episode, and she's just like being really 543 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 2: inquisitive because she's a detective, and uh, she was intense, 544 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 2: and I was like, I have a crush, but I 545 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 2: just like I loved doing that episode with her, but 546 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 2: it was hard, like trying to balance like, Okay, how 547 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 2: much of me has or how much of Bronte like 548 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 2: has the fear of this man still because to a 549 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 2: degree she does fear him. She watched him kill somebody, 550 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 2: and I think at that point she she really didn't 551 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 2: believe that he could do something like that. You know, 552 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 2: all of this was speculative, like, all of this was 553 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 2: kind of like grabbing bits and pieces of information from 554 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 2: the internet for many years, and then to see him 555 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 2: in the flesh, like she didn't plan on falling in 556 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 2: love and then and she ultimately saves him because I 557 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: think she needed more proof. I mean I watched the 558 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 2: episode and I was like, girl, put him away, but 559 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 2: you know, I have four seasons under my belt. She doesn't. 560 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: What a moment. 561 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 2: It was fun, Yeah, it was. I mean it was 562 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 2: great to do the switch and then to understand everything 563 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 2: that came before and how it all works together. I Mean, 564 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 2: our writers are so wonderful. They just kind of established 565 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 2: this really elaborate plot but only kept me aware of 566 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 2: like certain bits of it, like didn't give me everything, 567 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,959 Speaker 2: but like give me enough so that I'm like, Okay, 568 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,959 Speaker 2: I do understand that we'll flash back to this and 569 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 2: this will be this will be important later, like stuff 570 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 2: in the bookstore and that scene it's like episode three 571 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 2: where you realize she's falling for him. I remember shooting 572 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 2: that scene and being like, god, Bronte get a grip. Yeah, 573 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 2: but she's I mean, she's just you look at her 574 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 2: past and she's she's experienced so much loss and so 575 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 2: much heartache, and I can't blame her for wanting to 576 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 2: be loved by this like rich, beautiful, intelligent, like charismatic person. 577 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 2: But that is what the show is saying. It's like 578 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 2: anybody would fall in love with Joe Goldberg because of 579 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 2: who he is. It's what he does, it's his same, 580 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 2: it's his method. There's this great instagram called the Joe 581 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:39,239 Speaker 2: Goldberg Joe Goldberg Method, and they like break down his 582 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 2: formula every single time, and he's doing it like when 583 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 2: you learn it, when you read it. It's like he 584 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 2: does it with every single person. And you can start 585 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 2: seeing when he starts, you know, his like stalking and 586 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 2: then there's like ooh, like infiltration and coincidences, and then 587 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 2: there's always like you know, the falling in love and 588 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 2: then the dissolution of the relationship and then him making excuses, 589 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 2: which is the structure that they do every single season, 590 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 2: right to the bitter end. I will tangent. My goodness, 591 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:15,719 Speaker 2: I just can't stop talking. 592 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: I love hearing you talk. And I'm sitting here thinking 593 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: how the series it's like a warning sign for so 594 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: many women and men. I guess who are you know, 595 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: not that whoever they're going after is going to be 596 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: a serial killer, but you know, the narcissistic kind of 597 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: behavior of somebody who you don't want to be in 598 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,959 Speaker 1: a relationship with. It's like, here are the things that 599 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: you should look for. 600 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that it's like it's a playbook. Yeah, 601 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 2: it's crazy because I mean, I mean I used to 602 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 2: know these statistics. I think it's something like three and 603 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 2: ten women and one in ten men will experience enter 604 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 2: partner violence at some point in their lives something like that. 605 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 2: I was just like reading on the National Domestic Violence 606 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 2: thing the other day, and I mean it's utterly fascinating 607 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 2: because of how common it is and how taboo topic 608 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 2: it seems to be. And I think that that's something 609 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 2: that you does really well, is it shows you what 610 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 2: we are willing to let very attractive, white rich men 611 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:17,479 Speaker 2: get away with time and time and time again. And 612 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 2: there is the inevitable ending of the series. The series 613 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 2: has to end, which means that the character has to 614 00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 2: either be dead or in jail. It's the only way 615 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 2: he's going to stop, because he's so addicted to this 616 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 2: this lifestyle and it's not even a lifestyle, it's like 617 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 2: a he is addicted to this pattern. And it's a 618 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,239 Speaker 2: great it's a great show. It's very popular. We love it, 619 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 2: we love to make memes about it. But what that 620 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 2: show is saying is that I can't even I'm not 621 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 2: even gonna try to just like summarize what I think 622 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 2: the legacy of the show is. But for me, what 623 00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 2: resonates is time and again we will let these men 624 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 2: get away with and there is a formula, and we 625 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 2: have to protect ourselves. We have to be as much 626 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 2: as I hate to say it, like we have to 627 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 2: be incredibly cognizant as in our relationships, in new relationships, 628 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 2: because it is a dangerous world out there, and I mean, 629 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 2: like this is not right, but I'm pretty sure, like 630 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 2: the number one cause of death for women in the 631 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 2: United States is partners, is their partners or a family member. 632 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 2: I just I love the show, but I think that 633 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 2: it's saying so much more than just like like Murder Media. 634 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: Goldberg, right, it is. It has a lot of powerful messages. 635 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: Both shows that you're on right now have a lot of, 636 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,719 Speaker 1: you know, culturally relevant and important messages that you've kind 637 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: of been in that world for so many years now 638 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: Between these two shows, I imagine you're ready for something 639 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: totally new. 640 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean it's kind of my bread and 641 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 2: butter that though, like I like doing it. I like 642 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 2: diving into a very rich world I would love to 643 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 2: be in. Like a Netflix Christmas movie. That's like a 644 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 2: dream of mine because I watch them all like as 645 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 2: soon as they come out, except The Princess Switch What 646 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 2: I Have, which I haven't seen yet, which I'll probably 647 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:35,720 Speaker 2: watch this Christmas. 648 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,879 Speaker 1: You're a super fan of Netflix Christmas movies. 649 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 2: I love them. I mean, especially the one with Britt 650 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 2: robertson The Magic Yeah Show. We love that movie. That 651 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 2: so good. 652 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: I loved the the Lindsay Lowhan Christmas ones. 653 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 2: Oh, the two, there's two. 654 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,040 Speaker 1: I watched both of them. 655 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 2: And then caught Frosty. Of course. 656 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, of course that was a great one too. Yeah, 657 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: they're classes. 658 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love them. I mean they're fun. And it's 659 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 2: like I would like to do something that perhaps I 660 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 2: don't have to, Like my body doesn't need to be 661 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 2: ignited all the way throughout it, you know, where I 662 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 2: don't have to take a hot bath at the end 663 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 2: of the day and like slowly breathe, and you know, 664 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 2: like watch episodes of the Office. But I also like, 665 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 2: I love the work. I love the work that I 666 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 2: get to do. I'm I I don't I want to 667 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 2: do it forever. I mean, it's my it's my thing. 668 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,320 Speaker 1: I would love to see you in the White Lotus girl, 669 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: like you would be. 670 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 2: The way I want to be in the White Lotus 671 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:32,439 Speaker 2: so badly. 672 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: You would just kill it. I would love How do 673 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: we get you an employment with Mike White for season four? 674 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 2: Well, you know, our time will come, me and Mike White. 675 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. 676 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 2: I think that we have just will find each other someday. 677 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:45,919 Speaker 2: I think so too. 678 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: I'm manifesting it. 679 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 2: But he really, God, does he know how to cast 680 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:55,399 Speaker 2: a show because Amyleu Wood is so not delicious in 681 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,240 Speaker 2: that in this last season, they're all great, such. 682 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: A nuanced kind of acting, and it's such a subtle 683 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 1: kind of acting, and you bring that to the table. 684 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 1: It's very natural and seamless, and I don't know, I 685 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 1: just see it for you. So if that does happen, 686 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:09,959 Speaker 1: we're going to play this back. 687 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 2: Yeah that, I don't know. 688 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 1: I'll be on set as you're like fan blowing a 689 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 1: fan so you don't get too hot wherever you're filming 690 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: for you keep me grounded. Yeah, there we go. I 691 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: got you. I think I keep saying this, but I 692 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: seriously mean it. I think what you've accomplished is so impressive. 693 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: And I love artists, I love actors. I know the 694 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,120 Speaker 1: struggle is so hard and real because it's such a 695 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: difficult business to be in and to keep keep one 696 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 1: uping yourself is not easy to do, and you keep 697 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: doing that, which is just so amazing. And I imagine 698 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,279 Speaker 1: that you've learned quite a lot from day one on 699 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 1: The Handmaid's Tale to right now, because what a journey 700 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: you've been on. So does anything come to mind where 701 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:52,879 Speaker 1: you're like, oh man, that was something I learned about 702 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 1: myself and I'm so damn happy I did. 703 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I grew up with Janine. I grew 704 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 2: up on this show. I started when I was twenty four, 705 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,359 Speaker 2: Like I was. My frontal lobe wasn't cooked yet, as 706 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 2: they say, and I I will say, I it's getting older. 707 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 2: But also just like spending so many years on the 708 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 2: show with such magnificent actors like across the board, but 709 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 2: I was very lucky to work a lot with Anne Dowd. 710 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 2: Anne is the most kind and generous and loving. I 711 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,360 Speaker 2: can't even begin to tell you how loving that woman is. 712 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,480 Speaker 2: The kind of love that she gives not only to 713 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 2: the people sitting directly in front of her and she's 714 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 2: speaking to, but every single person in the room. I 715 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 2: can't believe such a small woman can hold that much love. 716 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 2: And she's she's just taught me a lot as a 717 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 2: human being, but also as an actor of of She 718 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,760 Speaker 2: allows that love that she has to like she wears 719 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 2: it like a like a It's so alive in her 720 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:14,239 Speaker 2: I've never seen someone live so second by second, millisecond 721 00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 2: by millisecond in a scene she's there, It's it's an 722 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 2: extraordinary thing to watch, like I think if you ever 723 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,439 Speaker 2: have the chance to witness and out in person doing 724 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:30,279 Speaker 2: her work, there's nothing like it. And not only is 725 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,720 Speaker 2: that inspiring, but it's also I have such profound respect 726 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 2: for her. It's kind of made me fall in love 727 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 2: with acting again watching her, because I've always loved acting, 728 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 2: but it's kind of been like a oh, I don't know, 729 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,879 Speaker 2: and I want to do musical theater and no, no, 730 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 2: And then being on the show with Anne was like boom, 731 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 2: brought me right back to like right into focus of Oh, 732 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,440 Speaker 2: this is this is the good shit, Like this is 733 00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 2: how it's done. She's best in the world. I could 734 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,880 Speaker 2: go I will go on and on for three days 735 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 2: about how much I love that woman. 736 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: It's pretty clear you live and lead your life with 737 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: a lot of gratitude, and I think that's a very 738 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 1: important thing, and we all maybe sometimes forget that and 739 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,400 Speaker 1: the chaos and craziness of life, but you seem to 740 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:18,280 Speaker 1: be very grounded. 741 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 2: I have a lot to be grateful for though, don't 742 00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 2: get me wrong, Like I have shot two incredible shows 743 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 2: in the last year. My family is happy and healthy 744 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 2: and I have a close relationship with them, and I'm 745 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:36,840 Speaker 2: getting married and I'm very very blessed. I'm a blessed person. 746 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 2: I feel really lucky. 747 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: Well, I think that's a beautiful thing. And I could 748 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: talk to you for four more hours, but I'm not 749 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 1: going to keep you. Yeah, I really could. I'm so 750 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,880 Speaker 1: enjoying this conversation. But as we start to wrap up 751 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: the show, the name of the show is called I've 752 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: never said this before, and it was born from me 753 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 1: covering a lot of red carpets and jung kits on 754 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 1: another show I work on Extra and having you know, 755 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,359 Speaker 1: minute and a half or three minutes with somebody and 756 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: just feeling like there wasn't enough time to have them 757 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,960 Speaker 1: share something that maybe they wanted to share that's different 758 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: from the usual soundbites and the repetitive questions that are 759 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: asked by every single outlet in those situations. So I'm 760 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: wondering if today, is there anything you can think of 761 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,240 Speaker 1: that you've never said before that you want to share. 762 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 2: Well, this is interesting because, as we've learned, I am 763 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 2: a yapper. A thought comes into my head and it 764 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 2: comes right out of my mouth, which is not always great. 765 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 2: But I don't really have any I don't know. I 766 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,799 Speaker 2: feel like I've said so much in my life. I 767 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 2: never shut up. The thing I was going to say 768 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,840 Speaker 2: is I've never said this before, but Adrian Brodie was 769 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 2: on my birthday cake when I was fifteen. 770 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 1: Stop so you had a crush. Clearly they crushed. I 771 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,200 Speaker 1: see on your wall, not on my wall. 772 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,319 Speaker 2: He was my He was on my MySpace, and he 773 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 2: was on my Facebook for many years as like my hitter. No, 774 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 2: but my mom put him on my birthday cake when 775 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,839 Speaker 2: I was fifteen, because I'm not kidding you, Like I 776 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,839 Speaker 2: was obsessed with him, but not even in like a 777 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,279 Speaker 2: he's so hot kind of way, like almost in like 778 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,719 Speaker 2: an actor way. And it was because of this one 779 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,439 Speaker 2: movie called Oxygen that came out in nineteen ninety nine 780 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 2: with him and Mara Tyranny that I don't know that 781 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,440 Speaker 2: anybody but me has ever seen, and all my friends 782 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 2: when I was thirteen that I made watch it. But 783 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,840 Speaker 2: I just loved him and I loved this story and 784 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 2: it was so fast paced and Mare Tyranny was so 785 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 2: good and it was a little bit sexual and weird. 786 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 2: Probably I was too young to be watching it, but 787 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 2: I think I rented it from Hollywood Video and I 788 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 2: was like, that looks good, and I was like who 789 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:48,360 Speaker 2: is that man? And there's this incredible scene where he 790 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,120 Speaker 2: takes this thing out of his thumb and it was 791 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,880 Speaker 2: like gory and it was exhilarating, and he's hot and 792 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,279 Speaker 2: he embraces I. 793 00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 1: Don't know, he just did it for you. 794 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 2: I just loved him and I've I've loved him ever since. 795 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 2: I've loved him. You just want an Oscar? And he 796 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 2: yapped just like I do. 797 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 1: He's a yappers a yapper. So if you got to 798 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,919 Speaker 1: work with him, would you absolutely die stupid? Like would 799 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,279 Speaker 1: you be able to talk? Even you speak? Can you 800 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,000 Speaker 1: look at him? Like? I mean, what are we going 801 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:15,279 Speaker 1: to do? 802 00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 2: I tend to get my fan girling out of the 803 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 2: way pretty quickly, but like I'm I'm a professional and 804 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 2: I love the work and he does seem to love 805 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 2: the work as well, and I think that we would 806 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:26,400 Speaker 2: work very well together. 807 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 1: So if I could get him to be a groomsman 808 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 1: in the upcoming wedding of yours, would you want that 809 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: to happen? 810 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 2: A groomsman? Yeah, I've only got eyes for one man. 811 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 1: There we go, there it is, I'm like, talk talk 812 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: your man up right now. 813 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 2: I have only guys for one person in this world. 814 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:46,920 Speaker 1: Adrian was a thing of the past. 815 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 2: But yeah, not anymore. He's just a guy, just a guy. 816 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,799 Speaker 1: Well, that's so awesome. I love that. I love that. 817 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,120 Speaker 1: I've never said that before. I've I've had my share 818 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 1: of those two which I'm not going to reveal right now, 819 00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 1: over the years. But that's a thank you. Thank you 820 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:02,439 Speaker 1: for hanging out. 821 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 2: You. 822 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,440 Speaker 1: You are lovely. I am so proud of all of 823 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 1: your success, even though we just met. I'm like a 824 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,279 Speaker 1: proud Italian cousin because I just I love your work. 825 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:11,600 Speaker 1: I love what you do. I think you're going to 826 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 1: continue doing the coolest shit in this business. But please, 827 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,839 Speaker 1: for the love of God, go take a bubble bath 828 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 1: and sage your entire aura to just step into your 829 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,760 Speaker 1: next portion of your life. Thank you, Thank you so much. Everybody, 830 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,439 Speaker 1: go watch you. It is out now. 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