1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. Major breaking news 2 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: for the Ravens. They have reportedly secured Derek Henry Folks 3 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: on a two year, reported sixteen million dollars deal, according 4 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: to ESPN's Adam Schefter. Huge news and I'm sure after 5 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: the Day one losses the Ravens had in free agency, 6 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 1: this will make fans feel a lot better. 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is exciting. 8 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 3: I mean, Derek Henry was somebody who I think a 9 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 3: lot of Ravens fans had circled at the top of 10 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 3: their wish list going into free agency. This has been 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 3: kind of long rumored there to be mutual interest there, 12 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 3: going back really to the trade deadline, where there were 13 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 3: multiple reports that the Ravens tried to trade for Derrick 14 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 3: Henry at that time. It comes a little bit later 15 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 3: than that, but ultimately Henry is going to be here 16 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 3: wearing purple and black, and it's just just a great 17 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,279 Speaker 3: addition to this team. I just think that it is 18 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 3: such an exciting move. And you get a guy who 19 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 3: Ravens fans no first hand how dangerous he is, and 20 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 3: I think he is going to be an absolute differencepaker 21 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 3: for this offense. 22 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: I mean This guy's been the best runner in the 23 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: NFL running back in the NFL for since he came 24 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: in the league, since twenty sixteen. Really since twenty eighteen 25 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: he became the. 26 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 3: Little slow starting, but then from twenty eighteen has been 27 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 3: rolling downhill ever since. 28 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 4: That's when he became the team starter. 29 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: Yep, right, So no running back in the NFL has 30 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: more rushing yards than Derrick Henry since he came in 31 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: the league twenty sixteen. Nobody, yeah, well, quarterbacks included, has 32 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: more rushing yards than Derrick Henry. He has nine and 33 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: two yards over that span, and it's not even close. 34 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: Ze Kelly is second with like eighty nine hundred. Yeah right, 35 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: so he's got my six hundred yards. 36 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 4: Right. 37 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,919 Speaker 1: Since since he became the team starter in twenty eighteen, 38 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: nobody has more rushing yards per game than Derrick Henry 39 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: ninety four. 40 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 3: This guy is a monster. He's a monster. That's just 41 00:01:58,120 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 3: what he is. 42 00:01:58,760 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: Yeah right. 43 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: And so to pair him with Lamar Jackson, this is 44 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: the stuff of nightmares. You know, you want to talk 45 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: about the Boogeyman and monsters and what your what kids 46 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: should be afraid of, what defenders are going to be 47 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: afraid of? 48 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 3: Sleep at night. It's this pairing of Lamar Jackson and 49 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 3: Derrick Henry. 50 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 51 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 3: I remember when I went to the Pro Bowl in 52 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, and a lot of times people will ask me, like, 53 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 3: what's so and so. Look like, up close of everybody 54 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 3: that I've ever been around in the NFL, Dereck Henry 55 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 3: might be at the top of the list of the 56 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 3: guys who you see in person, and you're like, he's 57 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 3: a freak. 58 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 2: He's a freak. 59 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 3: He's bigger than you even expect him to be, Like, 60 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 3: you know, he's a big dude, he's hard to tackle, 61 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 3: all this stuff. But you're like, that's Derek Henry. Like 62 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 3: he's with the running backs. He looks like he should 63 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 3: be over there with the pass rushers, Like he's that 64 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 3: big of a guy. And then he's got that breakaway 65 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 3: speed and he's still productive. I mean that, that to 66 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 3: me is is kind of the key piece here. A 67 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 3: lot of teams a lot and now there's been a 68 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 3: lot of spending on running backs this year. It's kind 69 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 3: of a much different story from a year ago, but 70 00:02:58,000 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 3: there's been a lot of spending on running backs, and 71 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 3: the question with them is how do they hold up 72 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 3: especially when they get to thirty. Okay, Henry is showing 73 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,359 Speaker 3: those lines are slowing down. Last year, the Titans offense 74 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 3: really had him and not much else, and he still 75 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 3: was a thousand yard rusher even though everybody going up 76 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 3: against Tennessee basically said stop the run first and foremost. 77 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 3: Just stop the run and we're probably going to win 78 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 3: this game. That was basically every defense is game plan 79 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 3: going up against Tennessee. And he's still put up over 80 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 3: one thousand yards because he's that good of a player. 81 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 3: He's incredibly reliable. He's out there every single week. You 82 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 3: can give him thirty carries if you want to. That's 83 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 3: not been how the Ravens do business in their backfield. 84 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 3: But if you need to give him thirty carries, he's 85 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 3: ready for. 86 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 4: It, right exactly. 87 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: Look, here's the thing with Derrick Henry, as we've outlined here, 88 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: super productive. The question is he just turned thirty in January, 89 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: and the general league consensus is thirty is kind of 90 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: the magic number, huh where running backs start to kind 91 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: of break down. 92 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 4: But there are exceptions to the rule. 93 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that Derrick Henry because of the 94 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: you know, I called him a monster caught him a freak. 95 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 4: I kind of like alien. 96 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with alien one because of the alien 97 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: that Derrick Henry is. He is not human. He's the 98 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: exception to this rule. And I think that there are 99 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: a few different factors that I want to point to 100 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: that spell that out. One, you just look at the stats, 101 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: the production, even last season, the recent production. 102 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 4: He was second in the league in rushing yards. 103 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 1: Last year he had a thousand, one hundred or one 104 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: and sixty seven yards that was second most behind Christian McCaffery. 105 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: You know that guy, Yeah, right, so recent history suggests this. 106 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: Then you start to look at the advanced metrics. Right, 107 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 1: you look at top speed. He had a max speed 108 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: of twenty one point six to eight miles per hour 109 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: last season in Week eighteen regular season finale. 110 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 4: This guy Week eighteen. 111 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 3: You don't usually hit your top speed last time we 112 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 3: saw him on the field, right, that's the second fastest 113 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 3: speed he's had in the past five years. So like 114 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 3: the speed is still there, ye, right, if he needs 115 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 3: to hit that gear, he's still that gear. 116 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, he proved it, right. 117 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: And then you even look at yards after contacts, second 118 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: most in the league, nine er and thirty power is 119 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: still there. Right, you look at running away from defenders, 120 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: he had the sixth best breakaway percentage according to pro 121 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: foleill focus of running back to at least fifty attempts 122 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: still breaking away from guys. 123 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 4: So you look at it. 124 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: From a power from a speed standpoint, all this stuff 125 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: even durability, like guy plays every game. There's no reason 126 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,479 Speaker 1: to believe you can just have this this notion in 127 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: your mind that Ah thirty gonna break them down. Well, 128 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's good to have evidence, and there's 129 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 1: no evidence that a breakdown is coming. And even more so, 130 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: I think that he's going to be even more effective 131 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: in a Ravens offense with Lamar Jackson and with the 132 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: scheme that the Ravens have. 133 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, I think that this is the Ravens want 134 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 3: to be able to run the ball. And I think 135 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 3: that you look at this this offense and you know, 136 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 3: I talked to John Harball about it at the combine 137 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 3: and he talked about basically wanting to have this a 138 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 3: running back that could be a could make guys miss 139 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 3: and could break tackles in the secondary and basically you know, 140 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 3: take a take a five yard run and make it 141 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 3: a twenty yard run or even bigger than that. And 142 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 3: I think that, like you know, Gus Edwards was a 143 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 3: really reliable running back here throughout his time, he didn't 144 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 3: have the big play potential that a Derrick Henry has. 145 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 2: And I think that you know, JK. 146 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,799 Speaker 3: Dobbins was somebody who you know, injuries kind of totally 147 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 3: derailed what he was going to be here. So I 148 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 3: think the Ravens have really been looking for, like this 149 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 3: absolutely dynamic running back. That's exactly what Derrick Henry is. 150 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 3: And I think that he elevates this offense. Like you 151 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 3: look at the offense from last year for the Ravens, 152 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 3: there weren't many weaknesses. I mean, it was it was, 153 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 3: it was a great offense, it was Lamar Jackson was 154 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 3: the MVP. But I think that once they went into playoffs, 155 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 3: I think they would have loved to have a dynamic 156 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 3: running back who is a game changer. They had it 157 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 3: with Keaton Mitchell before the injury, and now you get 158 00:06:57,960 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 3: it with Derrick Henry going into next year. 159 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 1: Which and I think Keaton Mitchell can be a great 160 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: compliment and Justice Hill could be a great compliment to 161 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry also, right, And that's kind of the magic 162 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: of this deal. Also, you know, it's a two year 163 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: deal reportedly, and so you know, and you're committing you're 164 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: not committing a crazy amount of money to it. You 165 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: still have the door open for somebody like a Keith 166 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: Mitchell to get healthy and then emerge within this backfield. 167 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: You still have a place for a Justice Hill or 168 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: even if you want to draft somebody, you could even 169 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: do that. Right, Because this is a two year deal, 170 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: you also look at it financially. So Derrick Henry at 171 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: two years sixteen, that's eight per year. 172 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 4: I know, I do that math for you there, Budy. 173 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, well they also, yeah, here's some more math. 174 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 3: There's potential Adam Schefter reports with incentives to get up 175 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 3: to twenty right, those two years correct, So hopefully he 176 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 3: hits that right, But let's just look at it at 177 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 3: eight per year right now, that's the same that it 178 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 3: costs the Bears to get DeAndre Swift and the Titans 179 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 3: to get Tony Poller. 180 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 4: So the Titans just let. 181 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: Derek Henry walk out the door and replace him with 182 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: Tony Poller. 183 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 4: For the same price. That's what the Titan the move 184 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 4: the Titans just made. Yeah, and Tony Pollard obviously a guy. 185 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: He was a three year deal for Tony Pollar right, 186 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: three years twenty four million, and DeAndre Swifth got three 187 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: years twenty four million. I think generally speaking, you looked 188 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: at them as kind of the tier two run free 189 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: agent running backs this year, where Derrek Kennery was obviously 190 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: in tier one, the Ravens got him at the tier 191 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: two price. 192 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, well you look at just how that the first 193 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 3: wave of free agency during this legals hampering period where 194 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 3: all these deals are getting reported, and the big three 195 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 3: it was Derrick Henry, it was Saquon Barkley, and it 196 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 3: was Josh Shakops. Sakwon Barkley went for around thirteen a 197 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 3: year to Philadelphia. Then Josh Jacobs he went for twelve 198 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 3: to Green Bay on a four year deal, right, So 199 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 3: then so his was four for forty eight, Josh Shacops 200 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 3: was So then Ravens get Henry a at a really 201 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 3: good price, and you might like he might be the 202 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 3: best of the bunch. Like that possibility over these next 203 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 3: two years, this certainly exists, Like I'm not going out 204 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 3: the possibility that Derek Hennry is the best of the 205 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 3: bunch and you got him at a steep discount from 206 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 3: what Chewan Barkley went for and for what Josh Jacobs 207 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 3: went for. 208 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And there's always going to be people who argue, 209 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: don't pay running backs period, right, that eight million dollars 210 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: is too much? 211 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 4: Is eight million dollars too much running back basically? 212 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 3: Right? 213 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: The people who say, well, look at Keiton Mitchell. He 214 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: was undrafted rookie and he comes in here and he 215 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: was blowing the doors off everybody. Even Gus Edwards spoke 216 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: a draft exactly or Gus Edwards and like, you know, 217 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,599 Speaker 1: I understand that argument. Keithon Mitchell's a rarity. Most of 218 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: the undrafted running backs don't come in and do what 219 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 1: Keaton Mitchell did. So just chalking up and be like, 220 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: you know what, just go get another Keithon Mitchell. It 221 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: doesn't really work like that, right, And sure, yeah, there 222 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: are absolutely running back hits in the mid rounds, later rounds. 223 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: Absolutely there are, just like at any other position, right, 224 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: and I get going young and all that stuff, But 225 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: the Ravens are in a win now position. They have 226 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: an MVP quarterback, they have you know, targets on the 227 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: outside for him tight end, they have the defense. They 228 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: have all the pieces obviously to win a Super Bowl. 229 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: They were within a whisker last year of going to 230 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. It's win now mode for the Ravens. 231 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 4: It's not. 232 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: It's I understand you always want to have an eye 233 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: towards the future, and I think the Ravens certainly still do. 234 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: It's why it's a two year deal and not a 235 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: five year deal or whatever. Right but right now the 236 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 1: cover was kind of bare. I mean, basically, you had 237 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 1: Justice Hill and Keith Mitchell under contract, right. 238 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 2: Mitchell he had his full strength. 239 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 4: This year, you had to add somebody. 240 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: And I'm sorry, I'm just not if I were the Ravens, 241 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be in the Let's take a shot at 242 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: getting a lead running back in the middle rounds, or 243 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: a shot at an undrafted rookie like you had a 244 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: shot at getting one of the best running backs in 245 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: the league. Yeah, and plugging you into this offense in 246 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: this team. I'm taking that shot. 247 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 3: It's great to find value in the in the late 248 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 3: rounds and it undrafted guys, and it would not surprise 249 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 3: me if the Ravens try to do that still. 250 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 4: They still could. 251 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 3: It's also nice to just get a sure thing. It's like, 252 00:10:57,280 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 3: it's nice to take care of that position if you're like, 253 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 3: you know what, we went and we got a sure thing, 254 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:02,599 Speaker 3: and we got one of the best running backs in 255 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 3: the game, and we're gonna just feel really good going 256 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 3: into next season with a plug and play difference maker 257 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 3: for this offense. Right. 258 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: The shame of it is, you know, the Ravens thought 259 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: that they were drafting that with JK. Dobbins, and they 260 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: very well, Like if he hadn't been injured, I think 261 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: he would have been that. Yeah, but you know what, 262 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: that's that happened. There's no going back in rewriting history. 263 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 4: JK. 264 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,839 Speaker 1: Dobbins has suffered to major injuries, right, and could is 265 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: there a possibility he still comes back? Sure, he's still 266 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: a free agent. Who knows down the road what happens 267 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 1: with JK Dobbins, Right, But like, and you can't say, well, 268 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry could get injured too. 269 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 3: Sure, anybody could. Anybody could. I'm not playing that game 270 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 3: like anybody could. But the guy's been super durable over 271 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 3: his whole career. He's a workout monster. 272 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: Like, go pull up the clips on Twitter right now 273 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: of Derrick Henry working out it's ridiculous totally, and so 274 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: like you can just play that game on anybody. Dereck 275 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: Henry at least as a resume of high level production 276 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,199 Speaker 1: and high level durability. 277 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 4: To go back on. 278 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and again he's an alien, so we just go 279 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 3: back to that point. 280 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:08,719 Speaker 4: He's impervious. 281 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I just think on really all levels financially, 282 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 3: contract length, kind of being patient and letting the running 283 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 3: back market. I mean, it was kind of a game 284 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 3: of musical chairs with this running back market. This was 285 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 3: like the hottest position during the first wave of free agency, 286 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 3: and it seems like every running back has basically changed 287 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 3: teams in the NFL over the past twenty four hours, 288 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 3: and so. 289 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 4: You it honestly is like a dozen guys. It's like 290 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 4: a third of the league. 291 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, but the Ravens going back to the reports had 292 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 3: interest in Henry and conversations with him going back to 293 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 3: last year. And so now you basically get a guy 294 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 3: who there was mutual interest from the start. 295 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: You get a player at the right price. 296 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 3: You kind of play the waiting game a little bit 297 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 3: as some of these big deals fly off the board, 298 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 3: and then again you might get the best of the bunch. 299 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 3: And so you look at you know, and I even 300 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 3: go back to what the Ravens were able to do 301 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 3: over the weekend with the addition of Justin Attabik. What's 302 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 3: the benefit of getting Justin Mattabik done? Well, you get 303 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 3: him on a contract. You also free up about ten 304 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 3: million dollars in salary cap space by getting him signed 305 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 3: rather than having a play on the franchise tag this year. 306 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 3: What'd you do with that ten million dollars in salary 307 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 3: cap space? Oh, you went, you got Dereck Henry. 308 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 4: Right, and you have a little change. 309 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you got a little change just there. So 310 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 3: we'll see what Eric Cocsta does with that. Also reported 311 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 3: Malie Harrison there, yeah, reported change got Moly Harrison done 312 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 3: as well. Right, So, like I just like all of that. 313 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 3: I like what the Ravens have been able to do 314 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 3: here at the outset of fur agency. 315 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: The fact of the matter is a lot of teams 316 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: are scared off by a thirty year old running back. 317 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: You as as much carries on his resume as Derrick 318 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: Henry is he does, you know, I mean we talk 319 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: about he leads the league in rushing yards since he 320 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: came into the league. Well, since he became the starter. 321 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: He also leads the league in rushing attempts. 322 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 4: Yeah. Right, and so that's part of the reason. 323 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 3: Like the dude's carried the rock all right again, no 324 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 3: signs of breakdown there. 325 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: But teams are scared off by a thirty year old 326 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 1: running back with that many carries on his resume. That's 327 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 1: just the fact of the matter. That's why you hung 328 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: out there for so long and why teams, other teams 329 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: didn't pay him what some of these younger guys like 330 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: a Saquon and Josh Jacobs and some of these other 331 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: guys got. The Ravens are a team that have not 332 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: been scared off by the age number, Like it's just 333 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: the number. 334 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 3: Kyle van Nei proved that last year. Jadeveon Clowney proved 335 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 3: that last year. 336 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: When other teams thought that they were too old and 337 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: they were washed as outside linebackers, the Ravens was like, 338 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: you know what we're gonna We're gonna take a shot 339 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: on these guys, and that was a great shot, similar 340 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: to what. 341 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 4: They're doing with Derrick Henry this year. 342 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: Honestly, I go back to what the Ravens did with mark. 343 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 4: Ingram I mean tons of examples. 344 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 3: Well, I was saying, that's that position. Heisman Trophy winning 345 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 3: run Alabama running back. Go back to twenty nineteen and 346 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 3: Mark Ingram came in here, and I still remember when 347 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 3: when Ingram came in here in his first day he 348 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 3: was answering all the same questions about running backs over thirty. 349 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 3: Then he went out there and had a great seat. 350 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 3: Was a Pro Bowl that year. Ran for over one 351 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 3: thousand yards. Pretty good signing. 352 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: Oh, I think that Derrick Henry's going to again. We 353 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: have to put reported in all these things because it's 354 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: not official, but I expect that he would run over 355 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: for over a thousand yards. Of the Ravens, I would 356 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: be surprised if he didn't. Lamar Jackson's been the Ravens 357 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: leading rusher every single year that he's been the quarterback. 358 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 4: And Lamar Jackson is not going to stop running. He's 359 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 4: going to continue to run. 360 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: He's going to be a big part of the Ravens 361 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: running running back solution their their puzzle because in part 362 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: his the thread of his legs opens everything else up 363 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: for everybody else. Right, you don't take that away from him. 364 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: He's the best running quarterback in NFL history. But I 365 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: want to see what the Ravens look like when Lamar 366 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: Jackson isn't their leading rusher. 367 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 3: But it's also the scales have started to tip a 368 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 3: little bit in the other direction where he is running less. 369 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 3: He ran less last year than previous seasons, and I 370 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 3: think it could continue that way this season. And now, Henry, 371 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 3: you know you have a running back lead the team 372 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 3: in rushing rather than Lamar. So let's take a quick 373 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 3: break and when we come back, we'll talk about some 374 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 3: of the other reported moves during this initial wave of 375 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 3: free agency. You're listening to the Lage podcast. We're coming 376 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 3: to you from the Seakeek studio. We also want to 377 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 3: mention our friends at DraftKings Sportsbook. 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All right, So, 387 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 3: in terms of the other side of the coin, here 388 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 3: the players who are no longer going to be in 389 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 3: a Ravens uniform. There's been a number of players who 390 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 3: have left, and the latest is Patrick Queen and he 391 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 3: signs a reported three year contract with the Pittsburgh Steelers, 392 00:16:55,720 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 3: sign plans sign for forty one million dollars. And that 393 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 3: is not great news. Seeing him in seeing him in 394 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 3: a Steelers uniform is something I did not want to see. 395 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 3: You know. 396 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 4: It's the stunner of the day. 397 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry news is like fantastic, But I kind of 398 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: felt like it was coming all along. 399 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 3: I mean, how long how many times have I said it, 400 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 3: it's happening. I felt like that was happening. 401 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 4: This is the stunner of the day, and not in 402 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 4: a good way. 403 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 3: And you know, there were some there's some reports that 404 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 3: like maybe that's a. 405 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,959 Speaker 1: Pairing that could work, you know, like just when, but 406 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: those get tossed out all the time. Oh, this is 407 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: so best fits for so and so. Right, and they're 408 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: talking about the nightmare scenario of Patrick Queen's and the Steelers, 409 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: and when that came out, it was kind of. 410 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 3: Like, bah, I mean maybe, but we'll see, we'll see. 411 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: There's there's a little buzz about this, but you kind 412 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: of didn't want to believe it. And now seeing this 413 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: is like, I mean, no way, no way that this 414 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: could happen, right, I mean, godly. 415 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I guess I am a little bit 416 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 3: surprised that he ends up in Pittsburgh. 417 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 2: I'm not maybe quite as shocked. 418 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 3: I mean, I think he wanted to go to the 419 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 3: highest bidder and if if that's the best deal. It 420 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 3: felt like it felt like, I mean, we don't know 421 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 3: what the other offers were at. I'm gonna guess he 422 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 3: didn't take less to go to Pittsburgh. I'm going to 423 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,160 Speaker 3: also guess that I'm going to assume that. 424 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: I don't think that there's like to the point that 425 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any boat. I don't think there's 426 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: part of Patrick Queen that's like, oh, yeah, I want 427 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: to go against the Ravens. They did me dirty, The 428 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: Ravens did not do him dirty. 429 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 430 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 3: I think that basically he had a great four year 431 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 3: run here. It felt good about it. The Ravens really 432 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 3: felt like it was like good on all accounts, But 433 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 3: as we said at the start of free agency, it 434 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 3: certainly looked like Patrick Queen was going elsewhere because the 435 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 3: Ravens have already paid their inside linebacker. They already gave 436 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 3: a massive contract to rokwand Smith. It's really hard to 437 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 3: do that with two guys at that position, and so 438 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 3: now he goes to the Steelers, which is the most surprising. 439 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 3: I also am a little bit surprised at the reported 440 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 3: contract of three years, forty one million. 441 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 2: So that comes out so. 442 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 4: I thought he was probably going to get a little more. 443 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, like Roquan got a five year, one hundred million, 444 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 3: so it's about thirteen mil. 445 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 2: And I thought that. 446 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 3: I thought that Patrick Queen would be in that neighborhood 447 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 3: of you know, the eighteen million dollar range, you know, kind. 448 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 4: Of twenty million. 449 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it would be in that eighteen to 450 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 3: eighteen to twenty million dollar rage. He was an All 451 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 3: Pro player this year. I think he's awesome. I think 452 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 3: Patrick Queen is a great player. Yeah, and I kind 453 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 3: of expected him to get that. So he gets a 454 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 3: little bit less. 455 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 2: Than I expected. 456 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree, which doesn't help the Ravens from 457 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: a compensatory pick situation. If you're talking what round would 458 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: that pick come in? The Ravens really wanted to see 459 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: him max out that deal as well, and they didn't 460 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: want to see this, and they definitely didn't want to 461 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 1: see him lay with the Steelers. Yeah, I could say 462 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: those two things confidently. The only thing I can say 463 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 1: about p Q and how he looks at the Ravens ay, 464 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: I think he loved his time here. 465 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 3: They gave him a start all that stuff. The Ravens 466 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 3: didn't pick up his fifth year option. 467 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: They signed a guy to basically replace him and paid 468 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,959 Speaker 1: another dute instead of him. So, like, you know, hey 469 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: handled that like the ultimate professional. He wast right about it. 470 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: I'm sure there was some feelings though, I mean he 471 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: said that on this very couch that yeah, that of 472 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 1: course alictits some feelings, you know, but I think that, uh, 473 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: and he'll be looking to prove now as a sealer. Gosh, 474 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 1: it feels so wrong to even say these words that, 475 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: you know what everybody's kind of said. Oh, Patrick Whann 476 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: was great, but maybe it was he really got great 477 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: after Roquan arrived, right, that's what people say, like, oh, 478 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: that how much is PQ and how much was Roquan's 479 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: influence and his effect on PQ in making him great. 480 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 4: Well, I'm going to go to the rival and I'm 481 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 4: going to show everybody. 482 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, I think that once that decision is made, 483 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 3: once he makes that decision, then you use it for motivation. 484 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 3: I don't think that the motivation to prove those things 485 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 3: is what Land is. 486 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: No, I don't think he was like going to the 487 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 1: Sealers and being like, I really want to go to Pittsburgh. 488 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 489 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 4: I don't think there's some part of him those things. 490 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 2: I just think, Yeah, but yeah, just well, And the funny. 491 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: Thing is that you brought it up before you even 492 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: started this was you know, there was stuff about him 493 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:57,719 Speaker 1: and Mike tom and Mike tom was say to him 494 00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: when he was a rookie that he wasn't a Raven. 495 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 1: Maybe Mike was trying to convince him to comment. Maybe 496 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: he's tampering like Tomlin was saying, you're not a Raven, 497 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: You're a Steeler. 498 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, Patrick Queen, you share that this year, and 499 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 3: like I wasn't totally sure the meaning of it, you know, 500 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 3: when he share that in a press conference this year. 501 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 3: But I think the point was that, you know, there 502 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 3: was that Tom Will was parking at him. I mean, 503 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 3: he was doing some trash talk, right, and yeah, maybe 504 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 3: that maybe that's what was going on. 505 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 2: He was saying, you're not a Raven, You're Steeler. I 506 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 2: do think that. 507 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 3: I do think similar to when we sat down with 508 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 3: Matt bk and players find different things to get motivated over, 509 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 3: and so I'm sure that when Patrick Queen plays the 510 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 3: Ravens for the first time, he's going to be out motivated. 511 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 3: So you should assigned me players players of course motivated 512 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 3: by that. So I'm sure that's going to be the 513 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 3: case of humans operate. 514 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Derek Henry is not a human, so we don't 515 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,239 Speaker 1: know about him, but other humans operate that way. So 516 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: good for PQ, like, great guy, great player. We've said 517 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: it a million times, really high for him. Hate that 518 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: he went to Steelers. We're going to talk about another 519 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: guy who went to AFC North team that we don't 520 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: really like that either, but hey, best luckiess e for 521 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:03,479 Speaker 1: twice a year. 522 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 4: Actually more than that. I can't even say that. 523 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 3: I want the Steelers to lose every single week, so 524 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 3: I can't even say that I hope PQ does well individually, 525 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,880 Speaker 3: but the Steelers lose every single one of their games. Yeah, 526 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 3: all right, So in terms of the other guys who 527 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 3: have left PQ at this point, is now the seventh 528 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 3: Ravens player to leave in free agency. 529 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 2: The others. You got the list here, you want to 530 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: run through it? 531 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, the other ones. 532 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: Gus Edwards to the Chargers, Gen Stone to the Bengals, 533 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 1: who we were just referencing, Devins, Ubernate to the Jaguars, 534 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: John Simpsons the Jets, Ronald Darby's to the Jaguars, and 535 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: del Sean Phillips to the Texans. 536 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. So, just in terms of Gus Edwards, you know, 537 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 3: I think with him, like the base, the Ravens basically 538 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 3: traded up. They Gus Edwards leaves and he was a 539 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 3: really good player here during his his five years, and 540 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 3: I think that, like, there's a lot to like about 541 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:47,719 Speaker 3: Gus Edwards as a Raven. I mean, this is an 542 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 3: undrafted player who was highly productive, really good around the 543 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 3: goal line. 544 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 2: Sorry, great story, Like, I love Guss. He was a 545 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 2: great player. 546 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: The school bus meme will live on forever. Yeah, a 547 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: special place my heart. And Gus was a guy who 548 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: if you needed a yard. He needed some tough yards, 549 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: like you always felt good about giving the ball to 550 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: Gus Edwards. Yeah, and he was one of the best 551 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: in the league to do it, honestly. And so just 552 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: a great story, another great guy. Happy for Gus that 553 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: you know his playing and he reunites with Greg Roman 554 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: now Jim Harball also, and so it's a great fit 555 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: for him schematically and a place where I think he 556 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: could have a lot of success. The Chargers are seemingly 557 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: they want to build a strong running game and Gus 558 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: Edwards is a power runner. That Joe Ortiz, you know, 559 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: who was influential part of the reason why he landed 560 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: in Baltimore is on drafted free agent is now the GM, 561 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: but the Chargers. So it's a familiar place for Gus 562 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: in a good landing spot. Any takeaways from you, What 563 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: are your takeaways from the losses that the Ravens have 564 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: had in free agency so far. 565 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 3: I don't know that there's a big surprise, you know, 566 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 3: running back, they trade Gus Edwards for Derrick Henry. Okay, 567 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 3: you know I think that Gino Stone we all kind 568 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 3: of felt like he was gonna be gone because again 569 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 3: he raced himself out don't love it. Ended up a 570 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 3: Cincinnati hate that got end it up like NFC West 571 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 3: their South. 572 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: So the best, the best was Lamar's Lamar's tweet, you know, 573 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: kind of barring a quote from uh Barber Teky Barber, Yes, 574 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: thank you, saying you're dead to me, which Tiki Barber 575 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: said about Saquon. 576 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 577 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 1: See gee Barber meant it seriously. Lamar was joking, yeah, 578 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: saying you're dead to me, Gino. I just what I 579 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: pictured in my head was Lamar given Gino the chop, 580 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: Like we go to Cincinnati next year and it's like 581 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: meet at midfield before the game and. 582 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 4: He gets chopped. 583 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see that. 584 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: So, yeah, don't like that because the Bengals were a 585 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: defense that were particularly not good against UH in zone 586 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: coverage last year and Gino kind of playing center field 587 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: for them not good. 588 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 4: Don't like it. 589 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: He's picked off Joe Burrow too. He got Joe Burrow, 590 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: and I hope he don't get Lamar. Yeah, and so 591 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: but happy for him. A two year thing, report a 592 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 1: fifteen million dollar deal. That's a that's a good deal 593 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: for him. And and honestly, when I saw the safety 594 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: market get flooded with free agents. I wasn't so sure 595 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: he was going to get that big a deal, so 596 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: I was happy that he got that number. Yeah. 597 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 3: Another guy who got a pretty nice deal is John 598 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 3: Simpson two year, eighteen million dollar reported deal with the 599 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 3: New York Jets. 600 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. 601 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 2: You know, so the Ravens are. 602 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 3: We knew that there was probably a decent likelihood that 603 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 3: they are looking for two new starting guards with John 604 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 3: Simpson and Kevin Zeitler both on the market. At this point, 605 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 3: there's been no reports of Zeitler signing anywhere, but that 606 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 3: could again happen at any point. 607 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 2: So what are you? What are you? What are your 608 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 2: thoughts on John Simpson getting that deal? 609 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: My thoughts The Ravens are obviously going to need another 610 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: left guard, a new left guard. 611 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 4: For the three straight year at least, all right. 612 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,959 Speaker 1: I mean, you went from Bozeman to Ben Powers, and 613 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: then Ben Powers was one year, and then you went 614 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: obviously last year to John Simpson, and so it's going 615 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: to be plug and play for another left guard. Wouldn't 616 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: surprise me if that's an internal option. I think that 617 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 1: Andrew Voorhe's is going to have a good shot at that. 618 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: Salah is going to have a pretty good shot at 619 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: that Ben Cleveland perhaps, but it still remains to me 620 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: seen of Kevin Zeitler departs that I would expect Ben 621 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: Cleveland probably more likely at right guard than left guard. 622 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 1: But I think that the Ravens will have some internal options. 623 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: The guard market has kind of exploded too. I don't 624 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: see right now there's not a lot of bargains out there. 625 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: It seems like now down the line, you never know 626 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,479 Speaker 1: guys are going to get released. You know, we're still 627 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 1: early in this whole process of building out what the 628 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four Ravens are going to look like, and 629 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: so I'm certainly not gonna rule out the possibility that 630 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: Ravens find a veteran guard gets cut from somebody. Yeah, 631 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: who knows, and so I think that's probably my expectation. 632 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: I think they'll definitely draft a guard as well. Boseman 633 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: we just mentioned also got released by the Panthers. Could 634 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: there be a reunion there if the Ravens feel like 635 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,360 Speaker 1: he could play guard again and backup center, So there 636 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: will be options there. I'm not freaking out about John's Simpson. 637 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: I think he was a good blocker, particularly against the run. 638 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 4: He could maul. 639 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: He had some big blocks, physical blocks. Great guy, love 640 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: talking to him. I'm not freaking out because he left, 641 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: because the Ravens have a really strong track record of 642 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: finding quality guards. 643 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 4: I don't think they're a team that's going to spend 644 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 4: a whole lot of money. 645 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: They kind of keep feeding the pipeline, develop them with 646 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: Joe d and then plug him in. And so far 647 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: that strategy has worked, and I expect them to stick 648 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: to that strategy. 649 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a second year in a row that they've 650 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 3: had a left guard go out and get a decent contract. 651 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,479 Speaker 3: Ben Power's got a big time contract from Denver two year, 652 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 3: already restructured. 653 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then so now. 654 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 4: John Simpsons, thank you. 655 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 2: Sorry, John Simpson goes out there and gets a nice 656 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 2: deal as well. 657 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, I just think from a I think it's 658 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 3: good business. Go back to the twenty twenty two season. 659 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 3: The Ravens signed John Simpson super late in that season, 660 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 3: basically a stash. 661 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 4: Yep. 662 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 3: You know, I'll give you your credit. You were saying 663 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 3: at that time that he could end up being the 664 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 3: starting guard. And at that point, you know, when John 665 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 3: Simpson joined us on the podcast, he was pretty open 666 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 3: about the fact that he felt like he was kind 667 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 3: of his head was spinning, like his career was kind 668 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 3: of across very much at a crossroads. I didn't know 669 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 3: where this thing was going to go. Ends up signing 670 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 3: and then getting an opportunity to compete for the starting 671 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,400 Speaker 3: job last year, wins the starting job and now gets 672 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 3: an eighteen million dollars contra. So he gets a nice 673 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 3: he gets a really nice deal, really happy for him, 674 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 3: and then the Ravens will get a comp pick back 675 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:21,959 Speaker 3: in return. 676 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 4: Well, right now, the Ravens are over you. 677 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,679 Speaker 1: You can only get a maximum of four compicks for 678 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: free agency losses. You can get additional ones for coaching 679 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: or GM losses for for free They're over right now. 680 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 2: So they fined the Henry. 681 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 1: Right The Henry signing would knock out one of those, 682 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 1: but they'd still be at the max. Yeah, So like 683 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: while they're going to play the game, the compensatory pick game, 684 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: and I expect them to protect those four picks, like 685 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: they can go out and sign guys too. 686 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 3: Well, I mean basically the Simpson deal is very similar 687 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 3: to the Derrick Henry deal. The reports of them, so 688 00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 3: it's like you it's not necessarily this kind of is 689 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 3: from a cop pick standpoint. You swapped John Sampson for 690 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 3: Derrick Henry. I'm good with that swap. 691 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 4: I'm good with that swap too. 692 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: And really we talked about a sign in stash for 693 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: John Simpson last year. The Ravens basically draft and stashed 694 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: Andrew Vorhies. Yeah, so it could be another stash solution. 695 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. 696 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 3: And then even like you know, we're diving deep here 697 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 3: into the guard conversation, but like Ben Cleveland, like Ben Cleveland, 698 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 3: if he steps in and ads up becoming a starting 699 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 3: guard for the team, whether that's at right guard or 700 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 3: at left. 701 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: Guard, the same situation, fourth year contract year, he could 702 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: go get paid next year. 703 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 2: You know, as Ben powers and as John sais. 704 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: Hopefully he plays well enough that we're talking about the 705 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: same thing with him next year. 706 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 3: But are the Ravens gonna bring him back or he 707 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 3: prised himself out? Yeah, that's hope. 708 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: I mean, really the loss so far, you know, I'm 709 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: not sweating about Devin Duvernet. 710 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 4: I like, I like Dove. It's a great fit in 711 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 4: douve aal. 712 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, you know, but he really had 713 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 1: a very small offensive role last year. Here was a 714 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: two time Pro Bowl returner, yeah, he was a great returner. 715 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: Tylan Wallace stepped up and won the game in overtime 716 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: against the Rams when he was the returner stepping in 717 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: for an injured Devan Duvernet. And I expected Tylan Wallace. 718 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: I think he's a good returner too, and he can 719 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: step into those shoes. I'm not sweating that from an 720 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: offensive or really special teams perspective. And two years for 721 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:18,719 Speaker 1: eight and a half million was not as much as 722 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: I expected Vernee to get. 723 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 4: Good for him the. 724 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 1: One that I think Gino And then I'm also I 725 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: don't love losing Ronald Darby's why That's where two years 726 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: max ten million is the reported deal for him to 727 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: go to the Jags. And you know, now maybe the 728 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: Ravens feel like, hey we found Ronald Darby in whatever 729 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: August last year. There will be another guy like that. 730 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: But Ronald Darby stepped in and played pretty darn. 731 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 2: Well and rights in certain games. 732 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know the Ravens. 733 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: The difficult part at cornerback for the Ravens is they 734 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: have Jalen Arma Davis and Pepe Williams, who are two 735 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: guys they really like a lot fourth round picks going 736 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: into their third year, but you just haven't gotten big 737 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: sample size from him. So it's like difficult to know 738 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: how much you can lean on them a because you 739 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: just haven't seen them play a whole a ton other 740 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: than in practice, at least at corner, and just they've 741 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: been so nicked up right that you have to really 742 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: have trust that they'll stay healthy. And so I think 743 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: that they do need more corner depth. They're going to 744 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: draft a corner for sure, but they're going to probably 745 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: have to go, you know, find an affordable one at 746 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: some point here during the off the rest off season 747 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 1: as well. 748 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they'll certainly try to do that. I 749 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 3: think that in terms of signing somebody late in the process, 750 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 3: Ronald Darby was about as the best case scenario as 751 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 3: you could have they signed, and Van Noy I'm saying 752 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 3: it's specifically a corner. It's really I think it's pretty 753 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 3: challenging to find storing. 754 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 4: Usually guys like that. 755 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: I mean, who was it Kyle Fuller the year before, right, 756 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: and now he got injured Week one, he tore his 757 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 1: ACL but like he was going to play a pretty 758 00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: big role for the Ravens. I don't know how well 759 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: you gonna play, but like they found him and he 760 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: could have been Ronald Derby that the previous year. I 761 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 1: just think that there's usually like a veteran that is 762 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 1: out there on the market late in the year, and 763 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: I expect that that will be the case again this year. 764 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: I don't again, I don't know who that is, but 765 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: I expect that he'll be there. 766 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 3: They basically tried it the two guys last year, Ronald 767 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 3: Darby and Rocky Scene. 768 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 2: They signed Rock as well. 769 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 4: Rock was much earlier. 770 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 3: He was much earlier in the process, but he also 771 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 3: was not in the first wave of free agency. He 772 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 3: was also later in the process, and so they end 773 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 3: up getting rock Assine and you know, he got hurt 774 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 3: in training camp and just ended up getting beaten out 775 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 3: by Brandon Stevens and Ronald Derby at the end of 776 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 3: the day and was kind of the oye man out 777 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 3: in that group. And so all I'm saying is that 778 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's can be more challenging 779 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 3: to find like Ronald Derby. I thought signing him and 780 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 3: getting the production that he did out of him for 781 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 3: a guy coming off with significant injury like that was 782 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 3: best case scenario. Now he goes out there and gets 783 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 3: a nice contract. 784 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 2: Good for him. 785 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 3: So like, will the Ravens trying to find another guy 786 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 3: like that? Yes, I think they would have. It's challenging. 787 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 3: Just like the conversation around finding a late. 788 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: I completely agree. I think that there will be somebody there. 789 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: Does it pan out as well as Ronald Darby? That's 790 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,440 Speaker 1: a high bar, it's a high bar, So I think yeah. 791 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: And safety, I kind of put safety in the same 792 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: group with the loss of Genostone. I think that there's 793 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: as we see right now, the safety market is really deep. 794 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: I expect there's gonna be guys cut after the draft. 795 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: There's still probably going to be some of these safeties 796 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: that are on the market right now are still going 797 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,719 Speaker 1: to be lingering on the market in over the summer, 798 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: and so I expect that the Ravens can probably get 799 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: a pretty good right player, right price deal with a 800 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: veteran safety at some point who has a significant amount 801 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: of starting experience. 802 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 4: That's what I expect. 803 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I just when you have the two starting 804 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 3: safeties through the Ravens already have Kyle Hamilton being one 805 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 3: of the best safeties in the game already, I just 806 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 3: feel good about that position. Like it's I like Geno 807 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 3: a lot, but it's like, look, we have Kyle Hamilton, 808 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 3: Marcus Williams. Hopefully he can stay healthy, but he's an 809 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 3: impact player when he's healthy. So you know, I think 810 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 3: that you just feel good about that spot overall. 811 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Look, today is about the king. Get the crown, right, buddy, 812 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: because the King is coming to Baltimore, to the Queen City. 813 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 4: According to Adam Schefter, right, yeah, I think. 814 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 2: He threw that one up. I like that. I like 815 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:13,799 Speaker 2: the analogy he was trying to go for there. 816 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,919 Speaker 4: Do we check that it wasn't fake, Adam Schefter. 817 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 2: This is this is one. 818 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 4: Okay, I didn't get deep. This would have been awkward. 819 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 2: You're safe. 820 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 1: This would have been awkward anyway. Thank you for listening. 821 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: An exciting day for Ravens fans for sure. Uh make 822 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: sure that you're subscribed, leave a rating and review, and 823 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: as always, you can read us at the lounge at 824 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: ravenst NFL dot net. 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