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Speaker 1: Welcome to you stuff you should know from house stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Josh Clark, There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry, and

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Speaker 1: we wish all of you a happy International Women's Day. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm just up here putting on my concealer, well, mascara,

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Speaker 1: create some smoky eyes, pretty sexy. It's looking good, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, looking good. I wish I could unsee you

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Speaker 1: this pret day? Good? Um? Yeah, did you know it's

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Speaker 1: International Witness that day? Did h? And? Well today, well

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Speaker 1: we're recording not actually today's witness releases. We're gonna miss

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Speaker 1: it by a week or we're still going to be

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Speaker 1: celebrating it though, right exactly because we we let it

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Speaker 1: roll and that way you say when you let a

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Speaker 1: party go along. I've never heard that. I just made

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Speaker 1: it up. I don't go to parties. I don't either,

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Speaker 1: apparently because I don't know what to say when you

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Speaker 1: wanted to keep going. So Chuck, Um, we are talking

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Speaker 1: friend about makeup today. Sixty billion dollar cosmetic industry. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a sixty two point five and that's up from

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Speaker 1: forty billion when this article that we're working off of

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Speaker 1: was originally written, which apses me Molly Edmonds in two dozen,

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Speaker 1: like seven or eight maybe two, I think, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean it surprised me in one way. One way it

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Speaker 1: doesn't because big industries usually grow, but that's an enormous

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Speaker 1: amount of growth. Yeah, but it seems like, and we'll

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Speaker 1: get to this later with some studies, that make up

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Speaker 1: is among the millennials is sort of falling out of

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Speaker 1: fashion in some circles. But we'll get to that. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Cosmetics from the Greek cosmatique technique of dress or ornament

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Speaker 1: or cosmos meaning ornament. I thought cosmos meant the universe

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Speaker 1: Ko s m O S. I don't know, that's cosmo.

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Speaker 1: Kramer got you. That's the lettymology. I had not heard

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Speaker 1: that before. That was the Greeks. Huh, that's what it says.

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Speaker 1: The Greeks definitely did engage in ornamentation of their face

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Speaker 1: through pigmentation a cosmetics, but they weren't the first supposedly

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Speaker 1: Egyptians Sumeria before that even I think, oh, is that right? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I saw that men and women were lipstick, and Sumerian

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Speaker 1: men and women did so this is pre Egyptian then,

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Speaker 1: because the Obsgyptians went back pretty far. Yeah, well, I

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Speaker 1: think there's some debate there about who was first, right,

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Speaker 1: Apparently we're debating right now. I think I think Summer

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Speaker 1: was pre okay Egyptian. All right, I'm sure I'll get

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Speaker 1: taken to task. No, not necessarily. I think you're probably right.

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Speaker 1: But um, at any rate, at least a few thousand

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Speaker 1: years ago, there were people wearing lipstick and the the

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Speaker 1: Egyptians in particular were known for using coal k h

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Speaker 1: o l k o h L. That's right, and that

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Speaker 1: is basically like a using very dark um like I

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Speaker 1: shadow above and below the eye. It's it's very think um. Uh.

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Speaker 1: What was the dude's name from Dead Calm the Killer

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Speaker 1: Billy Uh? Billy Zane. Yeah, I think Billy Zane in

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Speaker 1: The Mummy. Yeah. Basically any movie where they try to

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Speaker 1: make white people look like Egyptian, which is a big

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Speaker 1: thing now in the news it says who whitewashing casting

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Speaker 1: white people to play Egyptians? Like, you know, it's all

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Speaker 1: over the place, every every one of these stupid movies

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Speaker 1: about these big hundred million dollar movies about Egypt or

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Speaker 1: starring like British dudes. Well, I was on Snopes yesterday

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Speaker 1: um Cameron Diaz had been cast to play My Angelou

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Speaker 1: in a biopic and apparently people bought that. How seriously

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Speaker 1: who saw that and was like what and didn't automatically think, well,

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Speaker 1: that's a hoax or a joke. Well, there are some

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Speaker 1: people upset that Zoe uh, who's it from Avatar? Oh

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Speaker 1: Zaldano is being um because she's playing Nina Simone and

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Speaker 1: like they darkened her skin, and there are some people

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Speaker 1: so back to cole Uh. It was specifically a mixture

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Speaker 1: And what's interesting is the the it was supposedly kept

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Speaker 1: away the evil eye, right, that was the main reason

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Speaker 1: they wore, in addition to just looking awesome. The stink. Um, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: wearing coal. But it also and likely unbeknownst to the

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Speaker 1: Egyptians at the time, um, it would have warded off

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Speaker 1: all set, which is why you know. Ballplayers will put

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Speaker 1: If that's tar, well, it's tar on the baseball bat.

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Speaker 1: prior to that, prior to the Middle so early Middle Ages,

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Speaker 1: the early Medieval era that women um used hot tongs

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Speaker 1: to curl their hair, they dyed their hair, they use

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Speaker 1: vegetable pigments to um to redden their faces. So there

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Speaker 1: right in much the same way that like the Romans

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Speaker 1: And the reason why it fell out of fashion was

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Speaker 1: use something called um. Oh man, what is it? Sirrus? Yeah, cirrus,

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Speaker 1: which is vinegar and lead lead is It's gonna come

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Speaker 1: of um grease paint, the cosmetic whitener that women used

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Speaker 1: these cosmetic companies were actually named for people. Yeah, max

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Speaker 1: like the maximum max power factor or something you could have.

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Speaker 1: The max factor was a dude. Sure. Yeah, Actually you'll

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Speaker 1: find that a lot of cosmetics that you use today

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Speaker 1: Leen was inspired by his sister Mabel. Yeah. Pretty neat,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, there's there's the the modern idea of cosmetics

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Speaker 1: who originally provided wigs to them to the movies. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and previous to that, interestingly, the rise and makeup was

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Speaker 1: because the FDA doesn't have any kind of teeth in this,

423
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Speaker 1: in this UM, in this industry. Well, just a couple

424
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, Johnson and Johnson was ordered to pay

425
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: seventy two million dollars UH in damages for the death

426
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: of a woman from ovarian cancer that was caused by

427
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: using talcu and baby powder. UM. So what the what?

428
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: The proposed bill would do a few things. One, it's

429
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 1: gonna require companies to report any adverse health effects within

430
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: fifteen days UH. And then there there would review five

431
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: risky product ingredients per year and banned them based on

432
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 1: the findings. And this year up for review it would

433
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: be UH dias zolena dental urea preservative found in lip

434
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 1: bomb deodorant. UH may release formaldehyde lead acetate. It's in

435
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: hair dies linked to neurological problems, formaldehyde, methylene glycol, UH carcinogen,

436
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: and hair straighteners, including Brazilian blowouts. It said, which you

437
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: know the problem for me, UH proper parabine cosmetics preservative,

438
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: and finally, uh, quater quaternium fifteen it's another preservative and um,

439
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: my wife to new listeners may not know this, My

440
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 1: wife Emily has her own natural body product company and

441
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: she has been up against this since she started because

442
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 1: the FDA doesn't regulate using things like words like all

443
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: natural or organic. So she has competitors out there selling

444
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: soap and lotion that says all natural. And you know,

445
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: she's always saying, look at the ingredients on this, like

446
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: you can't even pronounce half of them. So she's having

447
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,479
Speaker 1: to self educate customers, like on a daily basis on

448
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,719
Speaker 1: what all natural really means, like it don't don't even

449
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,959
Speaker 1: use fragrance oils. Uh, Like this is really all natural.

450
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 1: So she's been up against it for years. So there's

451
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: something like that's very close to her heart. And you

452
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: can go to love your Mama dot com and if

453
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 1: you want to h support Mama at the butt with

454
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: all natural ingredients. Yeah, you're just sitting there like wait

455
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,360
Speaker 1: for it, wait for it. But it is a big

456
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: deal in our family because we don't you know, I

457
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: think I went off on fragrances and maybe the Smell podcast. No,

458
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: we did one on perfumes. Oh yeah, perfumes, and it's

459
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: just we we don't use any of that stuff anymore.

460
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: And it really stands out now, Like if I smell

461
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: a T shirt that's been washed and like tied, it

462
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: stinks to me. Yeah, like you know, like it just

463
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: smells fake synthetic. But most people love that. We'll scored

464
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,239
Speaker 1: a little for breeze on the clothes. Sure, um, but

465
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: you you you get used to it, I guess, and

466
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: if you stand away from it for a while, when

467
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: you're exposed to it again. But here's the deal though,

468
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: with small businesses, Um, they sort of have mixed reactions

469
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: to this bill because on the one hand, it would

470
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: help them out because the big corporate giants that use

471
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: all the synthetic chemicals will have to be uh under

472
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: the pressure to like you know, they don't even have

473
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: to say where they make this stuff now. Um, But

474
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: small businesses that might hurt them because they're gonna have

475
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: to comply with all this stuff, which takes a lot

476
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: of time and resources and a k A money. Right,

477
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: So it's sort of a double edged sword, is that

478
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: what they call it? Yeah? Yeah, but I mean the

479
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: thing is what the Colins fine Stein bill reflects is

480
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: taking the onus of cosmetic safety from the individual user

481
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: onto the manufacturer, which is the reverse of what it is. Now,

482
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like right now, make cosmetic

483
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: safety tips include don't stab yourself in the eye with

484
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: the mascarro wand um because it might allow bacteria to

485
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: seep into your cornea and you'll lose your eye or

486
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: something like that. Um, rather than don't use this mascara

487
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: because it contains known carcinogens that we know are now

488
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: carcinogens because at the A finally got around to actually

489
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: study in chemical to find out whether they're harmful or not. Yeah,

490
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: we should do a show on whether cancer is a

491
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: man made disease. There's a lot of speculation now, oh yeah,

492
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: some people think that, like there did not used to

493
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: be cancer. Yeah, and it's all because of stuff we've created,

494
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: an uh And even if you don't believe that, at

495
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: the very least we have ramped it up. You know, Yeah,

496
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: I definitely I would agree with that. I don't know

497
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: enough about it to say either way, and I'd love

498
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: to get schooled from both sides. So yeah, let's agree

499
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: that uh, is it time for another break? I think

500
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: it is time for a break. Man. We're pretty worked

501
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: up about this whole FDA thing. I know. All right,

502
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: We're gonna come back and talk a little bit about

503
00:30:39,160 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: the psychology of wearing makeup, which is pretty interesting. And

504
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: if you, um are into natural stuff, all natural ingredients,

505
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. There's actually like lines of makeup

506
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: too that you can look into that don't contain a

507
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: lot of like added stuff. Yes, so like, um, it's

508
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: called mineral makeup for the most part, which is just

509
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: like naturally occurring minerals that are ground up, um, and

510
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: there you go, no fragrances, that kind of stuff, and

511
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: they're supposedly better for you. They don't last as well apparently,

512
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: but that's you know, it's like do you want the

513
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: chemistry or do you want the shelf life. Well, that's

514
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: another thing. Emily battles a shelf life. That's something to

515
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: deal with. And she doesn't make cosmetics either, to be fair, Um,

516
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: you know, soap and lotion and stuff like that. That

517
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: that stick of civilization doesn't count as a cosmetic. Though

518
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,959
Speaker 1: some states are are taking it into their own hands,

519
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: notably California. Of course, They passed in two thousand five

520
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: the Safe Cosmetics Act, which requires UM manufacturers to disclose

521
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: ingredients that are on a watch list as being dangerous. Yeah. Yeah,

522
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: they do that with not just cosmetics. With and you

523
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: can buy a frying pan and they'll be like, this

524
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: frying pan contains something that we're not gonna say that

525
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: is known to cause cancer and humans. It's like, what

526
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: which pot, like a tephlon pan or whatever? Uh? Boy, man,

527
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: I got good cook wear for Christmas? Oh yeah, Oh yeah.

528
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: All Claud's the way to go. Good stuff, pulled all

529
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: the Christmas money smart and through in a little and uh,

530
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: it makes a huge difference in like how much I

531
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: enjoy cooking. Yeah, And I mean like you can very

532
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: easily say All Claud is too expensive. No, All claud

533
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: is an investment. And if you take care of your

534
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 1: all Clad stuff, you're gonna have it for the rest

535
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: of your life, rather than having to buy new ones

536
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: every few years. All Clad. Oh man, maybe maybe they'll

537
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: send to something. So we promised before the break about

538
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: to talk about the psychology of makeup. Which break just

539
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: the one we did um and I think it's super interesting. Uh,

540
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: when you look at like beauty and the ideal of

541
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: physical beauty and where that comes from and how it changes.

542
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: To look at Elizabeth the First and you're like, oh

543
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: you think yeah, high forehead and like, I love it. Man,

544
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: she's a hot mama. No white hand, I'm not. That's

545
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: a hey. I'm sure someone out there is like, you're crazy.

546
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: Elizabeth the First was hocked. But that's another very big

547
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: point too. Is there a universal ideal beauty? Well, scientists

548
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: have looked at it, uh, And one thing they've come

549
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: up with that's been pretty universally accepted as symmetry is

550
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: a very important thing. Uh. I saw special one time

551
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: on PBS when they took supposedly the most beautiful people

552
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: in the world and split them down the middle and

553
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: and measured them out, and they are usually pretty symmetrical.

554
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: I saw one site that suggested that faith has follow

555
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: the Golden ratio, like perfectly beautiful symmetrical faces follow that

556
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: golden ratio. Likely pops up in nature all the time. Interesting,

557
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: we should do went on the golden ratio? Okay, so

558
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: here's the deal. Though. Growing up, we did episodes on

559
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 1: male and female puberty. Uh, little boys and little girls

560
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: have kind of similar faces. Until they reach puberty, and

561
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: then that's when things start happening um to distinguish us uh.

562
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: In general, a guy's knows will be bigger, more prominent

563
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: brow and forehead. Woman might have plumper lips and higher cheekbones.

564
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: And this is how we change, generally speaking into men

565
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: and women. Right. So, So one of the theories behind

566
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: why women wear makeup is because they're trying to hyper

567
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:53,240
Speaker 1: accentuate there naturally um distinguishing features that right exactly, um

568
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: so like making the eyes bigger, accentuating the eyes with

569
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: like eyeshadow and eyeliner, and making the last is longer, um,

570
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: plumping the the lips, right, which supposedly I've always heard

571
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: and I found it elsewhere in another House to Work

572
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: article about lipstick itself, that there's a theory that that

573
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: emulates vagina. That like the lips, applying lips and lipstick

574
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: and lip gloss and all that emulates a vagina. So

575
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: there's like a psychology behind that as well. And the

576
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: whole point is here is is the idea behind makeup

577
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: then is a woman showing off her fitness for mating

578
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: man basically, which makes sense evolutionarily speaking. That's the predominant

579
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: theory behind makeup, which I mean, if you go talk

580
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: to Max Factor, they're probably not going to say that

581
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: it's all about beauty, but ultimately it's supposedly it's it's

582
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: intending to set off certain evolutionary cues in men who

583
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: are seeking a mate. Uh. A youthful appearance again is

584
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: usually looked at it as more attractive, probably because reproductive,

585
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: you're able to reproduce as a younger person easily or

586
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: more easily. Um So allegedly, uh. Second wave feminism comes

587
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: along in the sixties and seventies, and that's when women

588
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: were like, you know what, take your bra off, grow

589
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: that armpit, hair out, and quit painting your face so

590
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: other men, sisters, so so men think you look good?

591
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 1: Right that second fix yourself with makeup, the second wave feminism,

592
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: and it was very much um hip to the idea

593
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: of what was really behind makeup, that theory that it's

594
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: all about attracting or sexualizing yourself in order for men

595
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: to find you more attractive. And they were saying, forget that,

596
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: forget men, stop wearing makeup, sister, Yeah, you look good

597
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,360
Speaker 1: as yourself. We gotta doing one on feminism too, and um,

598
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: The thing is it didn't take off like as sensible

599
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: as that that idea was and timely as it was,

600
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 1: you know, Um, it didn't take off like a rocket

601
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: because a lot of women were like, yeah, let's a

602
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: get No, I don't want to do that. I want

603
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: to wear makeup. Well yeah, and a lot of women

604
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: are like, you know, feminism is about me having a choice.

605
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: That's third way to do what I want to do. Yeah, right, yeah,

606
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: which is like, I want to wear makeup. It's art

607
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: to me. It's like the way I look. It's I

608
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: like applying it, um, and I'm not doing it for

609
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: a man. I like like making myself look this way.

610
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,240
Speaker 1: There's also there's um there's a similar school of thought

611
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: is like yeah, I'm wearing lipstick to drive men crazy

612
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: and that gives me power. That's an in and of

613
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: itself a type of feminism as well. So, um, the

614
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: idea that a woman should have a choice whether she

615
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: wears makeup or not and not be viewed as um,

616
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: being a harlot or as being a turncoat to her

617
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: a gender is I think the basis of like this

618
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: third wave feminism that it's like, yeah, wear makeup if

619
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: you want don't wear it if you don't want, but

620
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: don't don't force your belief on on other people, because

621
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: there's a special place in hell for women who wear makeup. Uh.

622
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: And then of course younger girls, like when should you

623
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: start wearing makeup? Like, well, this is a this is

624
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: a into me an entirely separate uh um conversation. Oh absolutely,

625
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: but does you know does it sexualize a young girl

626
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: by wearing makeup too young? And just physically speaking, if

627
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: this stuff is dangerous uh in a carcinogens carcinogenic way,

628
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: like what does it due to the skin of like

629
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 1: a twelve year old? Yeah? And and not to pick

630
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: on thalet so though they definitely definitely deserve to be

631
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: picked on along with parabins. If you look at the

632
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: medical literature about whether they're potentially harmful or not, they

633
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: seem to have the most toxicity in pregnant women and

634
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: in younger people have so yes, if you are using

635
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 1: makeup as a younger girl, then you potentially are being

636
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: exposed to things like endocrine disruptors. Um. That could be

637
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: even more harmful because your body is still developing, so

638
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: they're going to have more of an effect on you. Um.

639
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's a there's a number of reasons to

640
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: say maybe wait uh men, but hey, that's your choice. Yeah, agreed,

641
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: unless your parents they know. Yeah, that's a whole other issue,

642
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 1: isn't it. And you can't wait to face all those things.

643
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: Uh So let's talk about many a little bit. Um Well,

644
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: there's a couple of different uh categories. Have been with makeup,

645
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: men wearing makeup. Um, you and I had a TV show.

646
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: Oh man, I wore so much makeup. I didn't wear

647
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: any makeup I know, and Chuck, I wish I could

648
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: go back, And it's just been like, and here's the deal.

649
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: I didn't h I didn't not wear makeup because I

650
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: thought it was girly or anything. I didn't wear makeup

651
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: because I sweat like a beast. Our stage was hot

652
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: as hades, and the thing you look totally fine. Well

653
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: and in HD I've seen you. I appreciate it, but

654
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: makeup doesn't you know. I remember our makeup artists being like, well,

655
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: this will help with the sweat, and I'm like, you

656
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: don't understand. You had a hand fan, do you remember

657
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: they had it like right right? And when it takes

658
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: somebody put Yeah, Fanny that's right in Chuck's hand. Yeah,

659
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: makeup won't. There are some scenes though, where I look.

660
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: I remember used to stop and be like, guys like,

661
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 1: look at Chuck, he's got sweat pouring down his head,

662
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: like we can't shoot. I remember that too, But you

663
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: were right. There are some scenes where I look very glossy,

664
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: but there are many scenes where you look orange. So

665
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: I just I just didn't like it. I didn't like

666
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: the I didn't want the chemicals on my face. I

667
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: didn't like the way it stung my eyes because I sweat,

668
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: and it just was like, no, it wasn't fun to

669
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: take off at the end of the day. Um So, anyway,

670
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: that's my makeup story. UM my friend, I'm not gonna

671
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: say his name. You know, he was a personal driver

672
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: for Burt Reynolds on a movie here Atlanta, and I

673
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: was like, what does Burt Reynolds look like without his makeup?

674
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: He went, what do you mean? He's like, he puts

675
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: it on in his room that morning, so he you

676
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: don't know what Burt Reynolds looks like without makeup and

677
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: it was caked on. If Burt Reynolds and Tim Kazarinsky

678
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: are actually the same person, Uh. The other aspect of

679
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: men and makeup is whether or not men well a

680
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: if they should have any say, and whether or not

681
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 1: women wear makeup, but whether or not men like men

682
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 1: have long tried to have a say in whether women

683
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: wore makeup in a lot of it sadly is like bullying,

684
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: yeah or or uh, accusations of fraud or witch craft, sorcery.

685
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 1: Seventeen seventy British Parliament had a law that said if

686
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: you wear makeup, they it was akin to witchcraft. They said, basically,

687
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: you have a false face, so you can get an annulment. Gentlemen,

688
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: once you wake up after your wedding night and your

689
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: wife doesn't have makeup on, and you're frightened by her appearance,

690
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: you can get an annulment because she tricked you with

691
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: thinking that she was pretty with all her makeup. That's

692
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: exactly right. Unbelievable and who was it? The poet Marshall,

693
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: The Roman poet Marshall Um He wrote to a woman

694
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: apparently who wore makeup, and said, you are but a

695
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: composition of lies. No man can say I love you,

696
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: for you are not what he loves, and no one

697
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: loves what you are what a mean poem to write.

698
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: It's like, just shut up, keep it to yourself. If

699
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: you have preference for a lady who doesn't wear makeup, fine,

700
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: you know. It's like it's like today on the Internet

701
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 1: where somebody's like, I don't like that TV show. They

702
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: these guys have to hear about it. It's like, now,

703
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: just move along. Yeah, I'm not a big fan of makeup,

704
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 1: but I don't care, like it's it's your choice. Eily

705
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: doesn't wear makeup because she's lazy. I'm just she'll love that. No,

706
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: she'll she'll be the first to admit it every now

707
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: and then she'll she'll doll herself up a very little

708
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: bit when I'm coming over. Yeah, he's like, Josh is coming,

709
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: let me get out smoky eyes. I know it drives

710
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 1: him crazy when you wear it, chuck. But when she does,

711
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 1: I was always like, well, you look like a different

712
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,959
Speaker 1: version of my wife. I'm not like you. But also

713
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,439
Speaker 1: just like the way she looks normal, you know. Yeah, well, yeah,

714
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: there's definitely something to be said about how a woman

715
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: looks without makeup, Like, no, not much at all, and

716
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: she frequently goes without it too. Um, and I understand

717
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: that there's like that's that's not to ignore just a

718
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: whole group of women out there around the world who

719
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: are like, no, you wear makeup, you put your face

720
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 1: on exactly. That's is frequently what it's called and and

721
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: they just can't imagine not wearing makeup behind bully for

722
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 1: you do what you want to do. Um. It does

723
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: seem like there's a big conversation that you can start

724
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: up any time if you want, especially on Slate where

725
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: you know, are those women, um, you know, selling out

726
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: the feminist movement still or that kind of thing. But yeah,

727
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: I tend to agree with the idea of choice. Yeah,

728
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: there's a big movement now among some of the celebrity uh,

729
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: some celebrity women that's like, now I want to be

730
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: in the cover of this magazine without makeup, Like I

731
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: want to show my true self because we're I'm tired

732
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 1: of this ideal that uh, we've created in culture and

733
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: pop culture that we have to look a certain way.

734
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: And um, one of the things that I hate a

735
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: lot of things about the Internet, but I think one

736
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: of my things I hate worst is look how ugly

737
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: these celebrities look when they're grocery shopping. Look at this

738
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 1: lady without our makeup on, like it's just awful, man.

739
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 1: Or there was this movement called the hashtag no makeup selfies. Yeah,

740
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: that one around Twitter recently last year maybe I think,

741
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: and they raised something like um ten twelve million dollars

742
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: for cancer research general cancer research. Sure, that is great,

743
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: but it was like daring. It was like it was

744
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: a daring, bold move to to release a photo of

745
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 1: yourself publicly without wearing makeup, which still suggests that it

746
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: is basically a social expectation or a social requirement. People

747
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: expect you generally to wear makeup then and to not

748
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,760
Speaker 1: where it is like a bold act that one's willing

749
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,959
Speaker 1: to sacrifice oneself for in the name of generating money

750
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: for cancer research. Yeah, and all in the name in

751
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: general of submitting to the whims of what a man

752
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: finds attractive. That's kind of at the base of it all. Yeah,

753
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: But again, I don't think you can discount the idea

754
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: that women themselves find frequently find themselves more attractive when

755
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: they have makeup on, you know, And there's no reason

756
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: to discount that. Oh man, all right, let's take the

757
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: wasps wasps nests off of our arms. I thought this

758
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: is very fair. I thought it was our old trustee

759
00:45:55,880 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: saying to each their own yeah, which we frequently adopt

760
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: and then abandoned depending on the topic. That's exactly right.

761
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: If you want to know more about makeup, you can

762
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: go to UM department store. Did you know the stuff

763
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: in department stores are called prestige cosmetics. That's what they're called.

764
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:17,959
Speaker 1: What do you mean, just the stuff they sell? Yeah,

765
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,959
Speaker 1: like the good stuff. They don't call it like high

766
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 1: end or they call it prestige cosmetics. Man, it is expensive. Oh,

767
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: we didn't talk. Did you see some of the weird

768
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: stuff that they put in in cosmetics? Yeah, you want

769
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 1: to run through the real quick. There's just a couple

770
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: that stuck out to me, like roague kill. Alright, go

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00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: in so talo you as like you render animal fat

772
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: and you come up with talo and tallow is used

773
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: in a lot of different moisturize or shampoo's that kind

774
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: of stuff. And apparently it is legal to source your

775
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: um animal fat from everything from zoos to roadue kill,

776
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: and the stuff ends up in cosmetics. It is a

777
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:03,320
Speaker 1: little weird. Now here is one UM. The TNS Recovery

778
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: Complex by Skin Medica infant foreskin. This is one of

779
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: Oprah's favorite things, and I looked into it because it's

780
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: a big anti aging product and I thought, they're not

781
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: using infant foreskin. Uh, and they aren't in a way.

782
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: What they did was U twenty years ago they used

783
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,440
Speaker 1: cells from a single four skin grown in a lab

784
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: that they still use that the same thing now. But

785
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: people act like they're like taking foreskin and grinding it up,

786
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 1: and Oprah is like, look under your chair, there's a

787
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: for skin under there. Uh. This one sounds kind of

788
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: gross at first with them when you look into its awesome.

789
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: Snail us. Yeah, so snail Ouze they using moisturizers and

790
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: I imagine prestige moisturizers because it contains glycolic acid and elastin.

791
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: And the reason that it contains is because the snail

792
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: needs heal it's own cuts and bruises and stuff like that.

793
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: And apparently it works in human skin as well. Yeah,

794
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: pretty cool stuff. Yeah. I mean, if you're a vegan,

795
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: you're probably not using a lot of these products because

796
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: everything from landelin to crushed beetles go into a lot

797
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: of cosmetics, and so U they vegans are like, I

798
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: don't want animals in my products. Well, Lanelyne is squeezing

799
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: from sheep's wool, so technically you're fine. And don't tell

800
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: a vegan that the wool industry is very uh oh,

801
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: I see hotly debated. Uh do you got anything else?

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00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: If you want to know more about makeup, go type

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Speaker 1: that in the search part how stuff works dot com.

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Speaker 1: And since I said search parts, time for listening this one.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna call using us to teach English in China

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Speaker 1: like this one. And we're even gonna play a little

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Speaker 1: bit of this because it's so awesome. Hey, guys, have

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Speaker 1: been listening to you Stuff you Should Know for several

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Speaker 1: years now. I used to listen to them every night

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Speaker 1: before bed. It's very relaxing, and in recent months have

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Speaker 1: been playing them for educational purposes. I teach at an

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Speaker 1: international school in Shanghai, China, and your podcasts have helped

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Speaker 1: me to teach English to my high school students. Recently,

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Speaker 1: them loved the projects so much they did an excellent job.

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Speaker 1: Feel free to listen to some of these uh. You

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Speaker 1: have inspired my Chinese students don't need to listen to

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Speaker 1: the show, but also to speak more English inside and

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Speaker 1: Thank you for that, and thank you for making my

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Speaker 1: job so enjoyable and rewarding. So warmest regards. That's from Jason,

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Speaker 1: And let's play a little snippet of these Chinese students

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Speaker 1: Think there and Mona here a couple of stuff writers

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Speaker 1: at how stuff works dot com. Hi, how is your

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Speaker 1: winter holiday? Scenes? Yeah, my winter holiday, you know, because

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Speaker 1: that too much. That is awesome. Jason is doing God's

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