WEBVTT - Six Feet from Poverty (with Petey DeAbreu) 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:03.760 I had a cool Hurt moment one time. I've seen 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:07.120 cool Hurt in the Lower east Side. Man and it's 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:09.880 raining outside. He's like this big dude, if you'll see coolberk. 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:13.520 He's like six something. Probably he's walking away. He disked 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:15.960 me as something and I was like, yo bok, but 0:00:16.040 --> 0:00:18.200 what about the culture? As he's walking away, he turns 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:21.120 around and he looks at me, look funk the culture 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:24.720 And I was like, Oh, that was the hell ship 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:28.320 of everything that invented the coaches And he's like, fun 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:31.760 the culture. The culture ain't payby for ship. I'm starving 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:39.879 out here. The culture definitely my crown ships in your 0:00:42.680 --> 0:00:58.160 man's racists money stuff. I can't tell me. Oh there 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:02.880 is ladies and gentlemen there it is. Everybody. Welcome to 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:08.040 another exceptional episode of My Mama told me in the 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:11.320 podcast where we Died Deep, we should be lunk into 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:14.959 the world of black conspiracy theories and we work to 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:19.280 prove that Tia and Tamara are not identical twins. We 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:22.360 all know which one is objectively cuter than the other, 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:26.280 and the answer is Taj Taj Maori is the cutest 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:29.280 of those three. It's honey, it's not even a debate. 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:32.199 He's gorgeous. Sure, he's in his thirties and he didn't 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:34.479 get any bigger than he used to be as a child. 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.319 But that boy is cute. He's a cute pie. And 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:39.920 it needs to be heard, it needs to be said, 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:43.520 it needs to be announced. I'm coming in hot today, baby, 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:47.680 I'm feeling good. I'm taking down the Maori Twins for 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:50.640 some reason. I don't know what my agenda is. I'm 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:54.040 your host, Legs and Kerman is always I'm excited to 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.280 be here. I'm having a phenomenal day. There's apparently a 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.760 new white woman out here pretending to be a black 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:03.040 and I'm excited about it. Her name is Jessica Crue 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:06.680 and she's Rachel dolas On. And we needed this. I 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:10.440 think we needed to re up on Rachel. Rachel had 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:12.920 sort of fallen to the wayside, and we forgot that 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:16.440 Rachel was a problem. But here comes Jessica Crue, who 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:20.079 worked her way up to become a professor in African 0:02:20.080 --> 0:02:24.440 American studies somewhere in Kansas. Good for her and good 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:26.959 for us. We got something to be mad about, and 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:29.480 I love it. You know who's never mad is my 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:32.919 guest today, I can say that with almost certainty. He's 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:36.480 never mad. He's one of the most positive, uplifting humans 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:39.160 that I've ever had the pleasure of interacting with. On 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:42.640 top of that, he's funny as ship goddamn hysterical. You 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:45.720 know him from Comedy Central, you know him from Amazon. 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:49.200 You know him as the Bronx whisper, the man that 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:51.680 lets you know what the funk is happening in the 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:54.280 b X. He's still alive, and he wanted me to, 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:56.720 let you know, give it up for my guests. Mr 0:02:56.840 --> 0:03:03.000 Pete the eyebrow, Yo, yo, share your shout out to 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:08.600 all of everybody in attendance. Hell yeah, they're ready, they're excited, 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:11.000 you're here. Thanks for having me. You know what I'm saying. 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:13.840 It's real professional. I like to be involved with professional things. 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:17.320 That's right. How you living man? Doing good? Brother? You 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:20.760 know I'm shout here, surviving man. Try and avoid these droplets, 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:24.120 you know. Now I gotta go into a whole another bag. Now, 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:29.400 I gotta go performing somebody's driveway. Otherwise I don't know 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:31.760 what I'm gonna do. I was in the public pod 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:35.680 yesterday performing by like a public pool. The pool was closed, 0:03:35.720 --> 0:03:39.440 but it was like seven people in the audience. It 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:43.440 was like twenty people like far right doing yoga. It 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:45.880 was like, you know, I mean twenty more people on 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:49.680 the other side doing yoga. And I'm talking about like, yo, man, 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:51.960 I'm just happy to be here. I'm talking about homeless 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:53.960 dude asking me for money on the train with no 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:55.920 maskball and I'm like, nigga, I ain't gonna pay you 0:03:55.960 --> 0:04:01.840 for the rona. But you know what's right, listen, listen. 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:03.240 If you're gonna give it to me, give it to 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:07.120 me for free. I'm not about to tip the biggest 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:09.680 that's the biggest sucker move. You give your paying for 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:12.720 some ship that's free. Right. Come on, brother, let me 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:14.880 let me get a dollar so I could give you 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:18.320 a disease that's gonna ruin your life. I wasn't gonna 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:20.799 go outside until they started killing when they started killing 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:22.880 black people. When they was like they kept killing us, 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:24.720 I was like, fucking man, the cops gonna kill me. 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:28.159 The guy will given about drop right, you take me. 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:31.800 I was I didn't kid. I was sad. I was 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:33.520 like I can't do it. I can't do what I 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:36.760 got it. That's the thing is like, once you get 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:39.480 people out in the streets and rage. They're not gonna 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:41.640 like go back in you know what I mean. We 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.400 ain't about to yell about stop murdering us and then 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.760 follow your your procedures. It's like I can't tell you 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:51.520 a conspiracy real quick that I had just after jo it. 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:54.960 So you know the six feet ship, right, Dr Fucci 0:04:55.160 --> 0:05:00.159 was like six ft right, so pete, so pete. So 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:03.200 I'm like, your who measures the six ft? You feel me? 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:05.599 Because it's like the droplets to spit when you talk, 0:05:05.600 --> 0:05:08.960 when you sneeze, they measuring six feet from like when 0:05:08.960 --> 0:05:11.880 you talk, right, but like you know that's from the 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:15.840 white man's lips though, sure, so the white man, I'm 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:18.560 gonna stop you right there. That's how they get you. 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:20.960 I'm listening, go ahead, right, so the white man like 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:24.400 six ft boom, but you know our lips is different. 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:28.440 You feel me, Like we say things, so I spit 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:30.920 goes further, you feel me. So that's how they're trying 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:34.599 to have the numbers crazy in the hood. And because 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:38.599 we used world we say bitch hass like bit goes further, 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:41.000 like where you say bitch hass, that's further. The six 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:44.360 feet bro Like now you're saying something I'm fascinated by. 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:48.080 This is a devastating revelation that I had not considered. 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:51.400 You're saying that the way that we speak and the 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:55.839 way that black people's mouths are shaped, in fact, makes 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.680 it so that our spit flies further than six feet, 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:02.280 and this six feet is merely a protection for the 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:05.800 white lip, the white mouth in its spread, and the 0:06:05.839 --> 0:06:12.120 white community. Wow, listen, if true, that is devastating information. 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.800 The numbers spiked in all of the in the hoods, Like, 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:18.279 it's like, how does she at least spiking in the 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.640 hoods A bunch of dudes. They were still roasting, but 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:27.640 from six ft and they still six feet. But in fact, 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:30.240 he wasn't lucky at all. This motherfucker needed to be 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:35.760 eight feet because of them big gass roasting and lips yos. 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:41.040 That's going across the street properly is going a block away. Damn, 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:44.200 this is big. I gotta write a governor. Or. I 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:46.359 don't I don't know that I can trust him, but 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.880 I gotta write somebody that's gonna be able to solve 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:51.480 this for me. I want to all trusting Fucci, and 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:56.120 now Fucci where he had come even on the check 0:06:56.160 --> 0:07:02.080 it though, boy, like a quick check in on Facebook? 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:05.680 What was that that app where you used to tell 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.719 people your location for no reason at all? Four square? 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:11.760 You don't even four squares to be like Dr fauci 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:15.120 Is or fucci is that. I love that you got 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:19.680 him on It's wild, but I fucking love that conspiracy. 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.800 But you brought to me a conspiracy that we have 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:24.840 to jump into it. I don't want to lose any 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:27.760 time on this, but you brought to me a conspiracy 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:31.640 that I think is equally fascinating and complicated and a 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.880 lot more philosophical, I think than any of the other 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:38.000 conspiracy theories that we've had on this show. You said, 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.480 and I want to get this right. My mama told 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:51.280 me potty and hard times make everything better. M tell 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:54.560 me more struggle, man, you know, not not the struggle 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:57.480 when they say the struggle is real, because those people 0:07:57.520 --> 0:08:00.400 struggling really talking about you know what I'm saying ruggle, 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:03.600 Like you know how they say hand me down clothes? 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:10.760 What about hand me down struggle? Saying generation? But it's like, 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:12.960 you know, the good stuff come out of the struggle 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:16.640 as far as like you get crazy results from hardships. 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:18.360 You know what I'm saying, like food type of ship, 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:20.520 Like I don't even like fried chicken. If the person 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:23.080 who made it never struggle, you feel me, it don't taste. 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:27.640 There's that restaurant in Brooklyn that everybody who is a 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.520 gentrifier tells you, Pies and Thighs, where they're like, oh, 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:32.840 you gotta go to Pies and Thighs because that's the 0:08:32.880 --> 0:08:37.120 best fried chicken in all of Brooklyn, And it's like, no, listen, 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:39.600 I'm sure it's fine fried chicken. I'm sure they did 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:43.360 their best given their circumstances. But the reality is these 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:46.000 are a bunch of trust fund kids who figured out 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.040 how to fried chicken. But here's the thing, right, I 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:51.520 thought about this earlier too. You can duplicate the results 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:56.080 of what comes out of the struggle. You can't duplicate 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:58.640 the struggle, you know what I'm saying. You could duplicate 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:02.000 the results like they can find some fried chicken and 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:05.640 send it to ancestry dot com and I'm saying, get 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:12.000 all the fucking ingredients back the batter, you know what 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:15.800 I'm saying. And now they stole a whole box. They 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:18.600 don't know what it's like to conjure it up from pain. 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:22.520 You want to, like, imagine you making chicken, but like, 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.920 not only are you making chicken, you're trying to mean something. Yeah. 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:28.079 Well that's the thing is like you can figure out 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:29.960 all the things, but part of what made the chicken 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:32.920 good was that the grease popped and they landed on 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:35.480 somebody's skin and it burned a little bit, and that 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.840 skin particle got into the chicken and made it gave 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:42.160 it personality. But you can't do that and it has 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:44.520 matched suit, you know what I mean? Like y'all are 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:47.240 showing up and treating this like science, when in fact 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:50.080 it's a lived experience. You know when the fry that 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:53.720 chicken and they used their fucking fingers in the oil, Bros. Yeah, 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.040 you know when they put those fingers in the oil 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:58.920 because those fingers been through so much. Yeah, I think 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:00.920 it's don't even got feel And for the nerve ending 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:05.400 snowboard turned around, flipping up. I want to taste the 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:08.920 lady named Roberta's fingers in my chicken. And if Roberta's 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:11.640 fingers ain't in there, it ain't good chicken. Yo. All right. 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:14.720 There's a spot in Brooklyn called Brooklyn soul full Kitchen 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:18.720 m been in since like the seventies, not asked, but 0:10:18.800 --> 0:10:20.880 it's in the middle of Flatbush. You know what I say, 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:24.040 you gotta go. I'm saying you gotta go with They're 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:29.120 not really gentrifying that the best fried chicken. And to 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.760 your point, that also is an earned experience. It's an 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:36.240 experience that we might say comes with a struggle. You 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:38.640 gotta get off that train and you gotta make a 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.040 walk through a neighborhood that you may or may not 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:43.880 be comfortable in to get to that chicken. You gotta 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:46.319 be able to order that food, sit down in that place, 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:49.120 and then get yourself back. That's chicken you've earned. That's 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:52.000 chicken that comes with a story. It's not just something 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.480 that can be mass produced for a bunch of white 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:57.760 kids in a New Brooklyn or just because it's like 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:00.600 Sweet Chick, where it's like, you know, it's fried chicken, 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:02.840 but they got nineties hip hop plan. So you feel 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:04.920 like you've been through some ship, like you ain't been 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:08.000 through nothing because you're paying twenty dollars for a time 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:10.800 man funk out of here, Man Bell the vote didn't 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.839 give you the experience. This is how I know. This 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:17.200 is how I know if your chicken is legit. If 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.360 people look at me like an alien, if I try 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:21.920 to haggle the price of the chicken, I don't want 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:24.920 the chicken there in the first place. If there's somebody 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:28.680 is line, it's like, yeah, that's like that ship is good. 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:32.839 It's good, right because they know that they probably were 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:36.160 going to give you some shitty thime, mate, and uh 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:40.760 it is what it is. Yeah, all right, we'll negotiation. Struggle, struggle, 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:43.160 want to sweat, That's what I would thinking, like you 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:46.199 said that the skin, but like also sweat from the 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:49.400 struggle and the pain in the years of suffering. That 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:51.680 when they in that kitchen and mom and them making 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:53.960 that chicken in and that little bit of that be 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:57.319 the sweat drips off from the eyebrow that because it 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.800 slowed down the forehead today eyebrow drips in the batter. 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:03.400 Now you got a whole another season and right there 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.679 that you, Mrs Dash, don't got that. That's a new 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:10.600 sult that they ain't hitting yet, And that's paying equity salt. 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:14.120 I love that though. That's that's a delicious sult. It's 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:17.040 a tragically earned sult. But to taste great. Okay, let 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:20.920 me ask you, this is this a theory that you 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:23.840 feel like you discovered on your own? Was it handed 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.160 down to you? Where do you think this came from. 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:30.440 This's just come from paying attention. I'm saying, it's comes 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.160 from just looking around, like Okay, this is where I'm from. 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:34.920 This is what it is. This is like the facts, 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.520 all the proof is there, Like I can go back, 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:40.319 like even like what the fool with sports, with fashion, 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:42.720 with music, with everything? You know what I'm saying, Like, 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.000 it's just the struggle is at the epicenter of the ship. 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:48.360 Look at hip hop, look at music. I'm from the Bronx. 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:51.640 Came from the Bronx. They wasn't trying to make no 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:55.520 money out that ship. It was just like like something. 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:58.800 So they didn't knock each other's head off, no more right. 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:02.080 It was some dudes who were otherwise boared on a 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:06.640 corner then deciding like I well, we either fight about 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:08.959 some ship and sort of like air our feelings out 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:12.959 in a completely unhealthier way, or we just spit, we 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:15.680 beat box, we do whatever, and like let that be 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.640 the way that it's almost too like, um, you know 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:21.280 what the hood due to we remix ship. So like 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:25.000 remember in the seventies, I believe in the Bronx, it 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:27.560 was like a lot of gangs and ship, so it 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:29.959 was going crazy and then it was like they broke 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.559 the gang violence up. So then the gang members started 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.120 going into like you know, getting in the hip hop ship, 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:40.240 Like gang members start doing graffiti, just wrapping and stuff 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:41.880 like that. You know what I'm saying. But that ship 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:45.960 came out of just nothing to fucking do, yeah, and 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:48.440 not having nothing. So like if you could come out 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:50.400 and you could rhyme, or you could paint, or you 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.200 could dance or you could DJ, it like superseded what 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:55.240 you was going through. So that's why I think, like 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.000 to like with the struggle, how it powers things, It's 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:00.520 just like you trying to supersede whatever the struggle is 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.439 with what you can do. It's like, yo, I might 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:07.559 be fucked up, but here's this chicken. Though you can't 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:09.960 even you can't even buy that type of ship, you 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:13.439 feel me right, So if I can somehow make something 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:17.440 that is in fact better than my sad feelings, my 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:21.160 sad feelings don't feel like sad feelings the same way 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:23.920 they were before. Not because it's like living in the present. 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:25.960 Almost like yo, if you can make something good in 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:29.200 the present right now, that ship is almost like not reality, 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:32.640 although it is, but for right now, you know the 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:36.760 pride of of wrapping or doing whatever it was. You know, 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:40.000 that ship came from you know, broken glass everywhere, man, 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:43.320 You know people passing on the stairs like they just 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:46.760 don't kid you know what I'm saying that I think 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.760 about that ship. You're broken glass everywhere, like they was 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:53.600 just breaking bottles everywhere. Well, that's the thing is like 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:56.360 so much of hip hop, I think now has been 0:14:56.440 --> 0:15:00.760 turned into a type of storytelling that isn't always rooted 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:02.760 in the truth, you know what I mean, Like it's 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.600 like a game of telephone, right that. Like when they 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:09.440 were first rapping about those experiences, it literally was that 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:13.440 experience because they were just doing it right. It was 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:15.920 just that they lived experience that they wanted to share 0:15:15.960 --> 0:15:19.640 with the world. Whereas now it's like, Okay, well We've 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:23.320 had generations of people talking about their lived experiences, so 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:26.000 now I got to make some ship up based off 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:30.040 of this old story that I've been hearing for generations. 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.880 But the root of it, though, is still struggled all 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:37.240 because it's evolved. Obviously, it's always gonna evolve. It's gonna evolved, 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:40.120 but where it came from, it's just a bunch of dudes, 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:43.280 you know that. And then it's like we mimic and remix. 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.200 So I feel like it's almost like the what's that 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:48.400 the West Side story, but with black people and Puerto 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:51.240 Ricans in the Bronx where it's like niggas ain't talking 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:53.960 about when you would Jake to the end is talking 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:56.440 about to the hips, the hop, the hip. But it's 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:59.520 the same fucking ship. We just add more source tie ship, 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:03.000 I ship or the hood makes ship, fire bro everything, 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.280 everything you can think about, the struggle, poverty, make that 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:08.960 ship because we got no we want to be seen, 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:11.120 you know what I'm saying. That's the other ship, Like 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.160 we want to be seen so we know, like, yo, 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:16.280 it's not gonna be the same. If you come in 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:19.520 with some fucking shoe bobs ship, well, I think that 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:22.920 you're hitting on something really important. Is that so much 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:26.640 of this is about just visibility, right that, Like the 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:32.600 only true source for visibility is creation. If they've stolen 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:35.720 all of your other resources, like if you don't allow 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.480 me to have any sort of say in any other 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:42.320 part of the way that like financial institutions and like 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:47.280 education work. Then my only way of existing even in 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.240 the world and the grand scheme of the world is 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:53.240 to create something. And my creation has to somehow be 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:57.200 better than the thing that you've deemed the best out 0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:00.800 in the world already or just if front a lot 0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:03.880 of the times, because like that's the rebellious of going, oh, 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:06.760 that's what y'all doing, that's what we're gonna do. So 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:09.160 it almost makes you like, even like say hip hop, 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:12.960 like it makes the traditional music fan when it comes out, 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:15.760 the niggas is angry. They don't want to hear this 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:19.480 fucking hippie gibberish ship. They listened to the Franks and 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:23.240 Natro fucking little roles all that, all that type of 0:17:23.280 --> 0:17:27.200 ship shoot bopp do wop ship, and these motherfucker's coming 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:34.800 out like you like, and they're dancing differently, right. I 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:38.119 was about to say, they had to be a devastating 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:41.480 turn from like the white people were doing the foxtrone, 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:43.040 do you know what I mean? Like they were doing 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:46.119 a one too back and forth, and then suddenly a 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:49.120 motherfucker came in and slid on his knees and did 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:51.880 a backflip. And you're like, all right, bro, y'all ain't 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.120 playing the same game we're playing. Because I was over 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:56.800 here fox striding. I was chilling. Do you think he's 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:59.320 just doing moves jumping on the floor, humping the floor? 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:03.000 Bro right, and then spending on their fucking jemy curls 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:07.199 was crazy. Elvis became in the most famous man in 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:09.960 the world because he was the first white man to 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.960 use his pelvis and who stole that from? And he 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:16.040 stole it, that's my point. He stole that from from 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.280 from a bunch of poor people who were already using 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:21.520 their pelvis. They've been doing that. Yeah, it was already 0:18:21.520 --> 0:18:24.639 a thing. And it's like, okay, well you either, like 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:26.800 you said, you either find a way to make it 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:31.240 different and create value from it, or you just don't exist. 0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:34.520 You become invisible in the society. I said, bro, you 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:37.600 gotta make noise, especially like yeah, it's like all right, 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:39.760 well fun, they don't want me. I'm gonna do this 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:42.560 and like the other way and it's gonna upset people. 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:44.119 That's kind of like what I think. A lot of 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:47.000 it comes not to upset people, but it's just the 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:50.600 way to express yourself. You know. Hell yeah, alright, we're 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:52.400 gonna take a break and then we're gonna be back 0:18:52.400 --> 0:19:05.159 with more pdd ibrew and more. My mama told me, damn, 0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:12.240 we are bad. My man supposed to smat his meat 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:15.399 with this ship. Bro, what the fun? And we're back 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:20.200 here with more pity Drew? Who are my mama told me, 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:25.159 we're still talking about the possibility that true happiness is 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:28.479 birth from the struggle, from these things that we have 0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:31.119 to earn and not from these things that are simply 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:33.800 handed to us. We were sort of talking about the 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:37.480 things getting stolen. Do you think that some of that 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:40.840 plays its hand in the way that people define their 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:44.320 happiness or define sort of like the goodness that comes 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:48.120 out of the struggle? Uh? That should sounded mad scientifical? 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:54.800 Can you rephrase that? Pleast what I think I'm asking? Like, 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:58.320 there is real evidence that so much of what poor people, 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:01.919 in black people, in brown people will create is often 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:06.639 stolen and reappropriated for a white audience. Right, do you 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:09.880 think that that has its hand in how people are 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:13.320 able to enjoy their creation? You're saying how white people 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:16.639 can enjoy the thievery or how black people can enjoy 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:20.480 what was stolen. Oh, and that's deep. I wish I 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:25.320 knew the like the word to define that, yo, because 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:28.439 like that was like deep and mad different levels. Like 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:31.600 all right, so they from talk me through your thoughts 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:34.720 so to say, like hip hop right, like because like 0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:37.399 to me, I feel like that's the most you know 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:39.640 hip hop is like because it has so many different facets, 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:43.120 whether fashion, art all that. Ship it's like it's under 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:46.080 a hip hop umbrella. So it's like, all right, it's 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:50.960 a multi billion dollar industry, right, cool hirt. The person 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:56.240 that invented hip hop, right, the motherfucker is broke, right, 0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:02.240 he invented hip hop. He's broke, has nothing. I mean 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:04.600 he got probably a couple of sandwiches and you know 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:07.720 a few things. But you know what I'm saying. But 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:10.400 now it do make it easier because now it's like, 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:13.880 you know, like imagine the first dudes that were rapping, 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:17.760 how did those deals even look? It was like just 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:20.760 the dude that seeing some dude. They didn't even understand 0:21:20.800 --> 0:21:23.000 what rap was, probably but they was like, yo, these 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:25.399 things doing it for free. We put it out, maybe 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:28.359 we could like make some money. We get the temperance 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.119 and we keep ninety and tell them we're keeping it 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:33.399 a hunted and it confused these things. It was like 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:39.280 that had up. So yeah out sign, well I signed, 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:42.399 missed to go ahead. But we enjoyed the sweat and 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:45.280 the pain and the blood of the pioneers. We get 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:48.320 to we get to benefit off of the cool hurts 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:51.320 or the people that didn't get any type of pay. 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:53.800 To your point, I think what you're saying is that 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:57.200 although a cool hurt is now saying fuck the culture 0:21:57.280 --> 0:21:59.440 because of what the culture sort of left him with, 0:22:00.000 --> 0:22:03.240 there's a generation that follows him that then gets to 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:06.919 enjoy the culture that he created and benefit from the 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:09.639 culture that he created, and then also just to pass 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:13.560 you don't see, but I don't know that old nig. 0:22:14.000 --> 0:22:18.040 They think it's mad disrespectful bob, But dude, that you 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:21.680 like it mad disrespectful too, because you'd be like telling 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:23.760