WEBVTT - Grant Field 0:00:06.160 --> 0:00:08.319 It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. You know, Drill. 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:12.320 We come to you every Wednesday. This week's guest Grant Field. 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:17.239 Grant is the coach of the Open champion Cam Smith. 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:19.680 I was down in Australia last week and had a 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:21.239 chance to sit down and talk to him. I'm a 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:23.119 huge fan of the work that he does, and I 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:25.480 think the work that he has done with Cam has 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:28.920 been amazing. He talks a lot in the pod about 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:32.680 how he's been Cam's coach really since about Kim was 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:36.440 ten eleven years old, and that's a rarity to have 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:39.160 an opportunity to work with a junior player that long 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:41.919 and the success that they've had. But the way they 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:45.760 work with him and how he works with Cam on 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:48.919 a swing, I think it's a really really good insight 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:52.640 to a player that isn't necessarily kind of out of 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:56.200 that factory of players. You know, Cam isn't. He isn't 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:59.040 six foot one, six foot two, doesn't bomb the golf ball. 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:02.480 Miles has a very kind of unique individual golf swing, 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:07.440 but it works. He's a great player that breakout year 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:10.319 last year to win the Players Championship and the Open Championship, 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:12.880 and the way he won the Open Championship and that historic, 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:15.520 in my opinion, one of the great duels in Open 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:18.959 Championship history. Down the stretch with ry McElroy, we talk 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:21.279 about that. We talk a lot about that with Grant, 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:24.200 but really I think this is also an opportunity for 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:28.480 everyone listening. It's it's about junior development. It's about developing 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:30.760 a player from a young age and how you go 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:33.000 about doing that. So I'm excited for everybody to hear 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:36.960 Grant talk about it, probably because Grant lives full time 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:39.319 in Australia. He's not a household name for a lot 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:42.039 of people then you know on the instructor train, but 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:44.800 he's one of the best out there and he's doing 0:01:44.840 --> 0:01:52.880 great work. So sit back and enjoy listening to Grant Field. Grant, 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:55.760 we're down here in Australia for the live event. Before 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:58.000 we start talking about Cam Smith, wh I know you've 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:01.080 worked with since he was a junior. The fact that 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:03.800 any tour would come there, whether it was the PGA Tour, 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:06.760 whether it's the European Tour, but the caliber of players 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:10.280 that are here this week on display for Australia, for 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:13.079 the fans in Australia, but for golf in Australia. How 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:16.760 important do you think this week is for golf in Australia. 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:20.200 I think it's massive. I think, you know, like, to 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:23.160 be perfectly honest, I've been involved with golf now, I've 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:24.839 been playing since I was an eleven year old kid, 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:27.120 and you know, we've never seen a field like this. 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:29.760 I mean even go back to the days where Nicholas 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:32.959 would come out and Palmer and those guys and player, 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:36.040 but we didn't have the depth that's in this field today. 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:38.720 You know, like the top end was really quite strong 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:40.640 and the same as when, yeah, we used to you know, 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:43.040 we'd get guys from different times where you say Rory 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:45.320 had come out or Jordan would come out, or somebody'd 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:47.560 come out, but it'd only be one or two guys, 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:49.679 and maybe even around the Presence Cup we'd get a 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:51.600 couple more for an ASI Open. But to have a 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:54.640 field like this, it's got I think thirteen major winners, 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:57.480 you know, like just doesn't happen. So and you can 0:02:57.480 --> 0:02:59.760 tell by the crowds like this is nuts this week. 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:03.079 This is something that we've never seen. And yeah, arguably 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:05.240 you know, even at the biggest golf to ones and 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:07.079 majors and you know that's what it feels like. 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:11.440 Yet it really does. I mean to have all of 0:03:11.440 --> 0:03:15.680 these great players in one place. Obviously the fans they 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:18.200 get to see it, but there are so many I mean, 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:22.080 we've seen so many kids here, so many junior golfers Australia. 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:25.440 I mean, it took me almost two days to get here. 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:30.799 It's a long way from everywhere, and to come down here, 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:33.560 it's always so special. It's always so much fun. But 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.320 for the junior golfers that are here that get to 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:39.240 see these players, what impact do you think it has 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:43.800 and can hopefully have on future generations of golfers to 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:47.960 see you guys like Brooks, guys like DJ Phil Cam, 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.760 but all of these great players in one place. Yeah. 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:54.800 I said to Cam yesterday, I said, like if you 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:56.400 have a look at the a man of kids that 0:03:56.440 --> 0:03:58.800 are around and like you said, take away, whether it's 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:02.120 Lebel PJ to it, these kids now are attracted to golf, 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:05.360 you know, like they've seen these guys in the range there. 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:09.480 You know, they're so invested now in watching these guys 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:11.600 and their careers. And like all of us, you know, 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:13.280 we all had our heroes growing up. For us in 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:16.080 Australia was Greg, you know, I said, like, and now 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:18.400 you know that, like Wade talked about it the other day. 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:20.400 He goes like Greg was an idol of mine. Now 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:22.360 I'm playing on a tour that he's the commissioner for 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:24.560 and you know, like they went out shark dive and 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:27.080 the other day like that's what dreams are made of. 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:30.360 And you see it all the time. You see, you know, 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:34.080 those stories about a young kid meeting you know, their 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:36.360 idol and then then becoming that later on. You know, 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:39.880 so I don't doubt there's a kid here this week 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:42.640 that will play on tours and they'll say, I remember 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:45.400 the time that I saw Cam Smith or Dustin Johnson 0:04:45.480 --> 0:04:47.920 or whoever it might be play golf at Live Adelaide. 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:49.640 You know. So it's very cool. 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:53.279 And was this golf course, Grange golf Course, what a 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:56.280 really cool place. It's not something that anybody would think 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:58.000 would be, you know, one of the greatest golf course 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:00.520 the world. But talk to me about what what makes 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:03.720 Australian golf course design so special? Because when I come 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.720 to these golf courses in OZ and you see, to me, 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:11.440 the bunkering is the best bunkering anywhere in the world, 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:13.520 the way that the bunkers are right up on the 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:17.320 greens and then they just basically fall off. What do 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:20.400 you think the design of these golf courses are so 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:21.919 unique and so special. 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:26.440 Yeah, I think if you look, especially in Melbourne in Adelaide, 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:28.320 you know we sort of get that. We don't so 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:30.960 much get it up in Queensland. But you know, the bunkering, 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:33.280 what you said, is is out of this world. And 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:36.360 if you short side yourself in this bunkering, unless you're 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:38.920 holding a twenty footer, you're probably not getting up and down. 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:42.279 So it then forces you to be strategic about your play, right, 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:45.000 So and then what you'll find, I mean this week 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:47.440 in Adelaide they had a heap of rain last Saturday 0:05:47.520 --> 0:05:49.440 night which sort of softened the greens a little bit. 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:51.680 These greens get like they normally do, and they're a 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:53.880 bit firms all of a sudden, you know, they're firm, 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:56.279 they're fast, you know there's some good slope in them. 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.239 And then you're getting there some of those short bunkering 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:02.320 and you know it'sallenging, so you're not overly long, you know, 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.400 but again you know you'll see the guys this week, 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:06.760 you know, a few irons off ts and you don't 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:08.400 see that much these days. You know, you see them 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:10.800 hit a lot of drivers, Whereas around here, you know, 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:12.400 you've got to be in the fairway and you've got 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:14.440 to be coming from the right spot, and if you're not, 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:15.640 you get penalized. 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:18.160 One of the things that i DJ was saying about 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.920 a lot of these greens are raised up greens, and 0:06:21.120 --> 0:06:24.200 there isn't any real rough around the greens, but there 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:26.520 are a lot of slopes. And DJ were saying, you know, 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:29.280 as short as the golf course is and as easy 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:32.040 as it might look, you get out of position going 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:34.480 into the green, and then gravity takes off and the 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:37.080 ball will go to a place to where you're struggling 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:38.200 to make pops. 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:40.080 And then it's really tight and you're over a bunker 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:42.080 to a short pin, and you know, like you said, 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:43.960 there's there's a couple of holes out there where you 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:45.720 can land it middle of the fairway and finish in 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:48.080 the right rough just off the green right, and then 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.080 like you said, then it's a challenge to get the 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:52.400 ball up and down from there. So I think, yeah, look, 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:54.800 I mean the guys are going to do well around here, 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:56.880 and like you can see, you know, Taylor shot ten 0:06:56.960 --> 0:07:00.320 under yesterday. I mean probably didn't see ten under out there, 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:04.080 but you can see six seven eight. But equally, it's 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:07.160 not hard to shoot over path. So I think it's 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:09.320 a great test, and I think it's great because it's 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:10.520 not what they play every week. 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:17.880 It's so special Cam Smith. I just can't say enough 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:21.240 about Cam as a person, but as a golfer, I mean, 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:24.200 he's unbelievable. Talk me through the story. I mean, how 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.120 long have you been working? When did you first meet Cam? So? 0:07:27.520 --> 0:07:31.160 I first met Cam when he was ten. So I 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:35.040 was coaching a junior squad up on the Sunshine Coast. 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:38.280 So his golf club was in our region, and he 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:40.920 came to this clinic as a as a ten year old, 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:43.960 and they split up the group so there was three coaches, 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:47.720 three players per coach. He was put in my group, 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:52.400 thankfully as it turns out now, but yeah, he was 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:54.920 put into my group. And then so we did the 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:58.120 clinic and you know, actually even at ten, you know, 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.040 he was a cheeky little thing, and you know, I 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.680 had a great relationship. And then the next year his 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:04.240 dad sort of said to me I think it's time 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:07.120 for him to have, you know, coaching. He really likes you, 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:10.240 you know, you interested in coaching, and yeah, I was 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:12.520 like yeah, sure, you know, like not thinking, you know, 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:14.640 nineteen years later we're going to be where we are now. 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:16.760 But and then the next year he came back into 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:18.680 that squad and same thing. You know, he just kept 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.760 progressing and then you know he's you know, obviously at 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:23.320 ten or eleveny he showed promise. 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.920 But both what did you see because we all see 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:27.720 these kids, right, I mean I work with we both 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.440 do the same thing you work with juniors and stuff. 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:33.600 It's like last year I met Tom Kim for the 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:36.840 first time in Saudi Arabia, who's gone on to do 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:39.240 great things. He played with DJ for the first two 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.840 rounds in Saudi Arabia. I kind of watched the way 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:46.319 he handled himself. Obviously he's not eleven or twelve. But 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:48.440 I immediately called Trevor, a woman who I've had on 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:50.600 my podcast before. I called Trevor and I said, listen, 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:53.120 you've got to look at this guy for a president's stuf. 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:54.880 And he's like, what are you talking about? I was like, 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:58.000 this kid has something. What did you see in cam 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:00.640 at a young age. That were some of the qualities 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:03.840 that you think helped him get to the stage and 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.440 the place that he is in his career now. 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.040 Yeah, so I mean as a as a like ten 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:12.439 or eleven year old, I wouldn't say that I was thinking 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:14.240 that this kid's going to be a superstar. I thought, 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:16.360 you know, one thing he did have was he was 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:20.600 his competitiveness. You know, like we would have chipping comps 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:22.959 and putting comps and even at that age, but he 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:25.800 hated to lose and very rarely did he lose against 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:28.640 much older kids. Right. But it wasn't until he was about, 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:31.959 I reckon fourteen or fifteen where I really started to think, 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:34.959 this kid's going to be, you know, really good. Right. 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:38.520 He started to compete in some you know, some amateur 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:44.839 men's events, and remember him shooting twenty nine around the 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:48.960 back nine at Pacific Harbor in the Queens LD Amateur, 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:51.160 which was at the time one of his biggest events 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:52.680 that he played, and he shot sixty six to the 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:55.040 first round as a fifteen ro ollder. And Pacific Harbor 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:58.000 is a really tough course, blows a lot, tricky little thing, 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:00.160 you know, And I went Okay, this is you know, 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:02.160 not many kids have got that right, and you know, 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:04.800 as we as he's progressed, you know, one of the 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.440 things I think that help can is that he didn't 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:09.520 have that length or he didn't have you know, so 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:11.840 he had to develop so many other skills. And you know, 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:14.680 obviously a lot's made of his short game and he's 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:19.120 he's putting, but I think his competitiveness and he's drived 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:22.000 to just you know, not let him beat you, and 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:24.160 the mindset behind that, you know, like one of the 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:27.560 things Cam always does really well, he's he's never had 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:31.719 a handbrake, you know, and he's whenever he's gone low, 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.360 from a very early age, he just never stopped. Remember 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:37.320 once he shot twenty four under in a Greg Norman 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:39.679 Junior Masters, so as a tournament we have down here, 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:43.559 and you know, so he was leading. He's about sixteen 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:44.440 or seventeen at this time. 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:46.880 Before under when you're sixteen years old, I don't care 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:48.840 where you're playing. I don't care if it's a pitching 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:52.880 part and it's there's easy golf courses. It was low scores. 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:56.360 Especially if you can shoot low scores grant at a 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:59.480 young age, that's a huge choosing because not a lot 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:02.880 of players know how to shoot low score no, And 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:06.320 we always you know, we we have parents, we have players, 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:08.640 and I'm sure sure you get this. Hey, what are 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:11.360 the great players do when you know they get a 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.840 good round going? And you see these kids, right, hey, 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:16.920 you were six under through like thirteen holes and then 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:20.360 you ended up finishing three under. What happened? And they're like, well, 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.079 I just started to protect and they said, what do 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:24.280 the good players do if a good if one of 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:25.920 the best players in the world gets to six under, 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:27.600 he's trying to get to seven under, it's trying to 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:29.400 get to eight under. He's trying to get to nine under. 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:31.199 Well, and that was the thing with that event, right, 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:35.080 So through three rounds he was sixteen under okay, and no, 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:39.600 fifteen under and he rings me and I said, how'd 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:41.880 you go? And he goes, yeah, pretty good, And I 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:45.120 said would you shoot today? He goes nine and I 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:48.000 went nine under and he goes yeah. So like he's 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:50.679 leading and then he finishes by shooting nine under to 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:52.880 finish twenty four under for the event. And I'm just like, 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:56.000 you know, and I think MeV and Cliff, you know 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:57.600 who's played in Europe and you know, you got to 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:00.600 like maybe sixteen or seventeen, and the next behind them 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:03.040 was like three, Like they streeted the field like even 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:05.360 back then, you know, like it was just you know, 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:08.160 really uncommon to shoot that low at that event. And 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:10.400 you know, they're the sort of things that he was 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:12.920 doing early on, and then you know, he's one of 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.320 the things I think is the best things that Cam's 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:19.400 done is is continue to get better, you know, every year, 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:21.520 And that's you know, that's one. 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.680 Of the mantras that I always see two players. If 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:27.760 you can just every year get get better, whether it's 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:30.960 one percent, everybody thinks, Okay, I've got to get one 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:32.920 hundred percent better this year. I've got to get twenty. 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:35.640 You just need to get You just can't have a 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:38.560 year where you go backwards if you want to keep 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:41.520 going in a trajectory that's going to get you to 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:42.800 where you want to be. 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.920 Yeah, And sometimes getting better is actually doing the same 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.320 thing more often, you know what I mean? Like you 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:50.600 know what I mean, Like I think sometimes I kind 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:51.839 of look at it when I work with a player, 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:54.360 I'll go, Okay, is what you're doing currently good enough 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:56.120 for you to do what you want to do right. 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.920 And if the answer is no, is it a work 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.760 in progress? Right, So we're on the right path. We 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:03.679 just need to stay the course or b will it 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.080 never be right? So if the answers it will never 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.240 be then something needs to change. Right. But if the 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:11.280 answer is we're on our trajectory that we're on, we've 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:12.800 just got to get better at it, you know, and 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.160 whether it be a technical thing, whether it be you know, 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.360 just getting more comfortable being out on tour. You know, 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:19.360 like I look at Jed at the moment. I think 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.280 you and I've talked about these jet's got a really 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:24.760 really big upside and he's got a big set of tools. 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:27.720 He's just got to get more comfortable being where he is. 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:30.160 And you know that takes time, you know, And I 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:32.959 think so he's on the right trajectory. We're not looking 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:39.439 to change things. We're just looking to get better at him. 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:43.840 Jed Morgan's a guy that's on Cam's ripper team. Was 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:48.400 there a discussion Cam took. I mean, there's two routes, right, 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:50.920 but you can go, especially if you're from oz and 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:55.280 you know those roads are well traveled, you know. The 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:58.240 modern generation Adam Scott even though he went and Scotty 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:00.679 played one year in college golf, made the decision to 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:02.640 go play college golf in America, even though he played 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:05.760 one year at un LB, he took that route. Was 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:07.959 there ever a discussion with cam did you guys did 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:10.319 he look at playing college golf in the States? 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:15.840 Not really? Yeah, he's not smart enough to go to college. No, no, no, 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:20.200 that's not true. I guess one of the things with Australia, 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.840 so back when Scotty was going through, there wasn't really 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:26.440 the support of the programs for him to follow, whereas now, 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:29.120 you know in golf in Australia we have you know, 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:31.560 in Queensland we have the queens and Academy of Sport program, 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:34.280 we have a Victorian program. In New South Wales has 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:37.240 got a program so and they're all Golf Australia programs. 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.880 So and then once players go through those programs, we 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.240 also have a rookie squad okay, and the rookie squad 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:45.720 is the young pro So we have a private investor 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.000 who you know, funds you know a lot of the 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:49.640 young kids when they go out and tour, so there's 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.200 money for those kids to then you know, in those 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:57.120 first sort of three four five years their young pro life, 0:14:57.160 --> 0:14:58.880 I guess you could say, to help support them. So 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.720 we actually have the pathway which a lot of them 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:03.800 can follow. So my sort of take on it is, 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:07.920 if you've got a young guy that wants to go 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:09.520 to college and wants to get a degree, and wants 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:11.840 a life experience and all those things, it's a great 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:15.040 opportunity to go to university in the States. But for 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:17.000 the guy who just wants to be a golfer, I 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:19.880 think we can take part, you know, take care of 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:22.480 that early part of that next level of development. And 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:24.800 I think that's one of the things sometimes I think, 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:27.000 you know, a lot of the good colleges have it, 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:29.080 but some of the other ones there's not really that 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:31.880 development piece for when they go over there. And whereas 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:34.000 I think that age between sort of eighteen and that 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:36.120 twenty two to twenty three, there's still got to get 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.120 a lot better before they're ready to go out on tour. 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.000 So Tiger, when my dad worked with Tigers at Stanford, 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:42.720 he played at Stanford for a number of years, and 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:45.120 then they got to a point where you know, my 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:47.440 dad was looking at his game and Tiger had really 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.200 wanted to turn pro and my dad kept saying no, no, 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:52.960 So there was that moment where Tetob said to my dad, 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:56.280 what do you think and my dad said, yeah, you're 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:56.960 ready to go now. 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:57.280 Yeah. 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:59.520 When was the moment when you said to Camp all right, 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:02.800 you aren't aw ready to turn pro and make a 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:05.280 career of this and give this a real chance and 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:06.280 see how far you can go. 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:10.560 Yeah, So he turned pro at twenty. So Cam like 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.960 got into a lot of say Aussie Tour, you know, 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:16.480 professional events from about the age of seventeen. 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:18.520 And the scary thing is that's back when there actually 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:19.480 was a tour down here. 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:19.840 Yeah. 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.480 Well the fact that there's no tour to play. 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.280 Well now there is, but it's not really you know what, Yeah, 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:27.640 exactly right, you know. And so Cam had sort of 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:31.400 finished fourth in the Queensland PGA, had finished tenth in 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:33.840 an Australian Open. It'd had some really good, you know 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:37.400 results in bigger events. And for me, you know a 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:39.120 lot of people say, why isn't he turned pro yet? 0:16:39.160 --> 0:16:40.960 And it's like, because he's not ready, you know, but 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.000 he wasn't ready for the level that we wanted him 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:44.720 to be. You know, he could have played golf in 0:16:44.760 --> 0:16:46.720 Australia and he would have made money and he probably 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:48.440 could have gone to Asia or whatever. But we just 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:51.240 thought that little bit of extra development was going to 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:54.200 pay off in the long run. And you know, looks 0:16:54.240 --> 0:16:55.760 like we sort of made the right choice. 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:58.480 I think I had Truman Thah who was the commissioner 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:02.600 of the Asian Tour. The road that Cam went is 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.280 not the road that a lot of people that win majors. 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:08.320 He didn't go play the corn Ferry Tour. He didn't 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:10.280 go play the PGA Tour. He started not a lot 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:12.600 of people know this. He started down in Alls and 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:15.760 then he went and played kind of in the Asia 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:20.200 Pacific region from a professional level, played Asian Tour. Did 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:20.480 he go. 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:23.400 Playing Well, there's a there's a story to that, all right, right, 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:28.199 So basically Kim went to corn Ferry or at the time, 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:33.680 he went right and knew that and missed his tee 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:39.520 off time. So you know, for Kim, say, what happened 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:42.480 was when he was leaving, We're like, you haven't got 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:43.960 a lot of time to prevent him, and he goes, no, 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:46.119 I'll be fine, Like you know, I've been to the 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:48.119 Woodlands at plenty of times. We have a Golf Australia 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:50.480 camp there, or we did have a Golf Australia camp there, 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:53.320 played there heaps of times. I'll be fine. I'm like, okay, 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.480 no worries. So anyway, he gets over there and you know, 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:58.560 gets to go and have his practice around on the 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:00.920 Tuesday and he goes over to the tea and says, 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:03.280 oh am, I right to go out and play and 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:05.000 they said, oh sorry, who ay and he said, oh 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:06.840 Kerin Smith. They said, you've missed your te off time 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:10.159 and he went sorry. He thought the tournament started on 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:13.479 the Thursday, like every tournament known a man, and the 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:16.480 actual tea off was on the Tuesday, and he'd missed 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:20.240 his time. So that day I'm looking scrolling through the 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:22.560 list and I couldn't find him. I went back up, 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:23.840 couldn't find him, and then I went down to the 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:26.879 bottom and it had disqualified. Next minute, the phone rings 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:30.320 and Cameron's on the phone and you know, obviously upset 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:32.280 and you know, like he's just flown all the way 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:35.119 over there, and you know, anyway, so at that moment, 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:37.320 I said, all right, we go to Aussie to a school, 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:39.600 we get a card there, we go to Asia and 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:41.880 I said we'll work on backdoring ourselves onto a tour. 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:44.760 And you know, I didn't think it'd be as quickly 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.040 as it was, because what happened was he got his 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:49.480 asient too. We got both cards, and then got his 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:52.280 agent to a card for his second in his second 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:54.760 Agent Tour event, and then had like I think maybe 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:57.760 six or seven top tens, and then got into the 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:01.280 Cooming Classic, which used to be in my life, and 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:03.840 ran fifth in that event, which got him as start 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:05.760 the next week, and then he got some sponsors invites 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:08.640 and basically so look, he ended up on the US 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:10.240 two a way quicker than he would have if he 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:12.439 actually went through web dot com and had to go 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:14.719 down that path. So you know, at the time, you know, 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:17.600 it felt like we'd missed an opportunity, but you know, 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:20.879 by sort of rerouting and taking another opportunity, ended up 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:22.720 there probably, like I said, quicker than he would have. 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.359 Do you think, I mean, going through that experience, A 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:27.199 lot of players don't come back from that, right. I mean, 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:30.479 you're young, you're from Australia. I mean, you're in the States, 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:35.199 trying to go to web dot com Q school. You 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:39.040 miss your tea time by your own yeah, yes, state, 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:43.879 and that could be a huge setback. Knowing Cam and 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:46.800 being around him and kind of watching him, you can 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:50.520 tell that his personality lends itself to him just going 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:53.000 I'll shake that off. Yeah, made the mistake and I'll 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:53.600 just move forward. 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:55.040 Well, I think one of the biggest things we will 0:19:55.080 --> 0:19:57.720 really quick to set a new path, you know. I mean, 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:01.080 like we didn't let that define us. It was like, okay, 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:03.000 sooner we could go right, this is now a new 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:05.479 direction and we'll get there another way, you know. And 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:07.000 that's the sort of the way we went about it. 0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:08.840 And you know, like you said, you've got to have the 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.040 right sort of attitude in which he has and yeah, 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:13.800 I mean, like everybody, I mean, there's plenty of knocks 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:16.320 out onto it. You know. Look, it doesn't always go away, 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:18.760 and he handles them just a bit as good as anybody. 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:21.040 One of the things I love about Cam is he's 0:20:21.080 --> 0:20:23.680 a little bit of kind of an I think he's 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:26.840 kind of an old school throwback. The golf swing certainly 0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:30.439 isn't anything like what we see the modern golf swings 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:32.720 look like now. He's not blessed with the size of 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:35.680 guys like Adam Scott and you know, the big tall 0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:37.960 guys that had him, you know, these beautiful everything. So 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:40.359 he's a little bit kind of all. My dad loves 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:42.600 camp Smith because he's like I loved he's a little 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:47.160 bit across the line the face and stuff. That golf swing. 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:50.520 Did he have that golf swing from the start, did 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:54.080 it evolve? Was it taught to him? And has there 0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:57.639 ever been a want or a thought to try and 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:00.920 change it to make It's not that it's not orthodox 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:03.359 because there's so many people. You know, in the eighties 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:05.600 and nineties it swung like that, but the modern golfers 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:09.200 now the club tends to point way more to the left. 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:12.320 It's way more. You see more guys now laid off, yeah, 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:15.200 and flat and their arms. Then you do see kind 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:18.400 of that a little bit across the line that Cam has. 0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:21.520 Yeah, it's funny. Look, he didn't actually have most of 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:24.080 that growing up. And if you watch, like with this 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:27.080 shorter stuff, it's pretty neutral and fair online. Right. So 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:31.280 it's as the club gets longer, and you know, especially 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:32.879 with sort of driver and through with one of the 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:35.320 things that happens is, you know his arms sort of 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:37.200 overtravel a little bit. That right arm gets a little 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:39.000 bit behind him, and when that happens, he sort of 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:41.200 has to side bend, and because he's a little shut 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:43.040 and it's interesting because there's those arms travel a little 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:45.679 bit longer, club face shuts a little bit more. And 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:47.119 then as soon as he has to side bend with 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:49.680 a shut club face, now he's swinging too far right 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:51.359 with a shut face right. So he's got both. So 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:54.919 when Cam's hitting his fade like, he's a really good 0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:57.280 driver of the golf coll So for me, it's like 0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:00.240 really important that we hit the right shot. You know. 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:03.480 Like I said, I think one of the things, being 0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:05.280 as good as he is is they tend to want 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:07.720 to hit both ways and hit all the shots whereas 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:10.680 and through the bag up until that top end, he's 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:12.399 fine to do that, but once he gets to that 0:22:12.480 --> 0:22:15.600 driving through, he really needs to hit that little fade 0:22:15.600 --> 0:22:17.119 to match up to what he does. And when he 0:22:17.160 --> 0:22:19.800 does that, it's fantastic. It's just you know, look where 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:23.240 we are trying to get, you know, where he's maintaining 0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:25.239 a little bit more with where he's got a bit 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:26.920 better structure of the arms and the body at the top. 0:22:27.200 --> 0:22:29.679 But I think, you know, being a small kid early on, 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:32.280 that's where his extra speed felt like it came from. 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:34.760 Is that a little bit longer armswing so again, and 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:37.720 he doesn't necessarily need it. It's just, you know, like 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:39.080 a lot of them, it's hard to get rid of 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:41.359 once you've you know, that's sort of been the pattern. 0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:45.959 I'm sure. I mean, the modern golfer now is playing 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:51.359 golf more somewhat one dimensionally. There is you know, Brandal 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:54.400 Shamblee beats the drama that you've got to have all 0:22:54.400 --> 0:23:00.439 the shots. I've stuckn Andy Ogletree on about this. He 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:02.239 said that he played with Tiger when he was an 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:06.800 amateur and it was just amazing that he had all 0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:10.399 the shots. He wanted to hit the right shot at 0:23:10.440 --> 0:23:15.400 the right time. So, but very few players can move 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:17.960 it both directions. And I hear so many players that 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:21.080 are struggling to get to that next level and they say, 0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:23.159 you know, tell me what type of you know, let 0:23:23.240 --> 0:23:25.560 me talk, tell me what type shot you hit. Yeah, 0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:27.199 you know, I like to move it both ways. And 0:23:27.200 --> 0:23:29.240 then you watch them and are not really good at 0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:31.639 drawing it, they're not really good at fading it. And 0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:35.560 I think so many players grant spending and norm they're 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:38.000 trying to play. They're trying to get good at everything, 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:42.480 but they're not really good at anything. Their average to mediocre. 0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:47.720 And I think Cam is a great example in my opinion, 0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:50.080 if you're going to make it, and you're going to 0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:54.199 make it to winning majors and being a superstar, you 0:23:54.480 --> 0:24:00.119 have to be great and quantifiably great at something and 0:24:00.160 --> 0:24:01.520 it doesn't matter what it is. You can be a 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:04.080 great green reader, you can be a great win player, 0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:07.160 but there has to be something that you anchor your 0:24:07.320 --> 0:24:11.280 game too. We all know that Cam to me is 0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:13.879 very much like a Jordan Speith. You watch him pot 0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:17.520 if he's got a fifteen foot you're more surprised if 0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:20.159 he misses it than you are. You expect him to 0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:24.000 make it. Was he always a great potter and where 0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:25.280 does it come from for him? 0:24:25.960 --> 0:24:28.680 So so I think one of the things, I'll sort 0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:30.520 of just backtrack a little bit, but like if you 0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:34.040 look last year, Camm, one of the things came doesn't 0:24:34.040 --> 0:24:37.800 get enough credit for his design play. You know, he 0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:41.880 was I think third in strokes gained approaching the green 0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:44.520 last year. We did a sort of analysis, like you know, 0:24:44.960 --> 0:24:48.200 from basically two hundred in like he was a long 0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:51.000 way ahead of the rest of the field, right, So, yeah, 0:24:51.119 --> 0:24:55.359 that he's where Jenny short game. Obviously he's putting, you know, 0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:56.720 so our goal is if we can get in the 0:24:56.760 --> 0:25:00.400 fairway just to touch more. Very few, very few eat him. 0:25:00.440 --> 0:25:03.720 So but with the putting, you know, look, as a 0:25:03.800 --> 0:25:06.080 kid he was who was a good putter. We've always 0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:09.199 worked really hard on our basics. So you know, we 0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:12.160 use a putting mirror every single day that he warms up, 0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:14.119 you know, even you know, when I'm there, you know, 0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:16.600 I make sure he's aligned properly, So we're really diligent 0:25:16.640 --> 0:25:19.480 with his alignment stuff. And then from there, you know, 0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:21.840 he's very neutral with the delivery of the putter, and 0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:23.679 you know it's hard to sort of mess that up 0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:25.919 a lot of the times, you know, So we're really 0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:28.680 sort of big on our basic structure. And then from 0:25:28.720 --> 0:25:31.159 there there's also the creativity and the you know, the 0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:34.040 desire to hold part. So I think, again, going back 0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:36.119 to that competitiveness that I talked about earlier, you know, 0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:37.960 one of the biggest traits I see of the best 0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:39.840 players is their ability to hold that eight or ten 0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:42.880 foot of the part, you know, and I think there's 0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:46.400 definitely a you know, there's an innate skill that they 0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:49.119 have to be able to keep momentum and things like that, 0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:51.520 and Kem's always had that, you know, And I don't 0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:53.879 know what it is. I mean, obviously he's technically very good, 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:57.520 he's you know, he's all those things, but there's this 0:25:57.600 --> 0:25:59.560 innate ability to hold puts when they need to. 0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:04.800 Yeah. And when you watch him putt, it looks it 0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:08.840 looks very natural, and his approach to putting is very natural. 0:26:08.880 --> 0:26:12.359 He doesn't look like someone that is very very mechanical. 0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:14.480 It doesn't look like he does a lot of drills. 0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:16.600 I think it's interesting what you said that a lot 0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:21.359 of the technical work is in what happens before he 0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:23.119 actually hits the pott. 0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:23.360 Yeah. 0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:25.960 And I think so many people listening to this are 0:26:26.080 --> 0:26:31.600 so over technique centric. Everything is technique, technique, technique, and 0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:36.240 he's doing the majority of his technical work, but he's 0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:38.600 making sure the car is set up. He's getting in 0:26:38.600 --> 0:26:40.280 the car, making sure all the mirrors are in the 0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:42.720 right place, making sure that seat's in the right place 0:26:42.840 --> 0:26:45.520 so he can get comfortable to drive the car. Yeah. 0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:51.040 And how much is cam putting ones? How much do 0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:53.760 you think it's instinct? And how much do you think 0:26:53.840 --> 0:26:56.840 it's his practice and getting better. 0:26:58.800 --> 0:27:01.280 I think they both working with each other. I think, 0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:04.600 you know, it's it's fine to be creative and have 0:27:04.720 --> 0:27:06.920 great instinct, but if you're not set up and aiming 0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:09.040 in the right spot makes it really difficult, right, So 0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:13.160 I think that you know, he's very diligent with how 0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:15.280 he gets into the ball. Like you said, he spends, 0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:17.160 when I say, a lot of time, but he's really 0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:19.680 diligent with how he aims the face, how he sets 0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:21.840 his body, you know, square to the face. You're seeing 0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:23.960 pretty his hand on his leg to sort of balance 0:27:24.040 --> 0:27:26.200 himself out. Then he just sort of moves his left 0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:28.320 hand in and once he sort of said, you know, 0:27:28.359 --> 0:27:30.439 the other thing you'll see with his with his eyes 0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:32.119 tracing to the hole. He's got the you know, like 0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:34.760 all good parts, they have this real slow trace towards 0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:37.080 the whole. I'll hold that gaze and then they'll come 0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:38.680 back and then he sort of pulls the trigger and 0:27:39.160 --> 0:27:42.879 kind of just reacts to it. So I think, you know, 0:27:42.920 --> 0:27:44.520 and one of the things for us is, you know, 0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:47.000 that hasn't changed for a long long time. So you know, 0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:49.800 he just and and this is the same with Cam 0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:52.119 the whole way through. He's very good at sticking to 0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:55.600 what we know works, you know, regardless of whether it 0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:58.400 works all the time, doesn't mean that we don't go 0:27:58.520 --> 0:28:00.880 you know, because we know we've got enough evidence now 0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:03.800 the data points that works pretty well. Right. So, and 0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:05.800 I think, you know, we talk about sort of his 0:28:05.960 --> 0:28:08.560 pieces of the puzzle, you know, what are all the 0:28:08.600 --> 0:28:10.760 pieces of his puzzle? Right? There might be this not 0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:13.679 the same pieces that Dustin has or Brooks has or whoever, 0:28:14.040 --> 0:28:16.080 but they're his pieces, right and how do we sort 0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:17.880 of get them operating to the best of our ability 0:28:18.119 --> 0:28:19.120 as often as possible. 0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:20.720 Well, I think that's one, to me, one of the 0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:23.040 strengths that Cam has because obviously there are going to 0:28:23.080 --> 0:28:26.480 be tournaments where Cam is playing with players and they're gonna, 0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:30.080 you know, Rory the Bombers, you know, they're going to 0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:33.359 run it past him, right, And it's always been something 0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:35.439 that I think is the strength of his that he 0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:38.880 doesn't really seem to be worried about that and he's 0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:43.520 not chasing speed. He's not it does he never comes 0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:47.640 across as someone that is chasing something that he doesn't have. 0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:50.920 Like you said, he seems to be really really comfortable 0:28:50.920 --> 0:28:54.320 and confident in the toolbox that he has, and he 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:56.680 has a lot of tools in the toolbox and he says, Okay, 0:28:56.840 --> 0:28:59.320 I don't have that tool, but I have these tools, 0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:02.280 and with these tools, I can make something pretty special. 0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:04.680 Absolutely. You know. I think early on, you know, there 0:29:04.800 --> 0:29:06.520 was a little bit that we'd look at guys like 0:29:06.640 --> 0:29:09.120 Dustin and Brooks and go, well, when they're on, we 0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:12.000 can't compete. But the reality is, like you said, like 0:29:12.080 --> 0:29:14.640 Camp's skills set is just different. You know, it's no 0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:17.640 better or worse, it's just different. Right, So we've got 0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:19.640 really good at knowing what that is. Like I said, 0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:21.160 you know, he's one of the best in the world 0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:24.080 from two hundred in. You know, when we're hitting the 0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:26.440 right shapes off the tea and you know he's making 0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:29.040 the right moves off the te you know, he's world 0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:31.760 class and you know, hard to be as we saw 0:29:31.840 --> 0:29:33.880 last year. So you know, I think it's just getting 0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:37.120 really good at knowing what you're you know, what you 0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:39.520 bring and if you know that that's good enough, then 0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:42.200 staying on track and sticking to you know, your way 0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:42.880 of doing things. 0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:51.920 The breakout year last year players champion the Open champion. 0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:57.640 I mean, what an amazing accomplishment. Let's go back to 0:29:57.720 --> 0:30:01.959 the Open Championship. I think every I expected on that 0:30:02.000 --> 0:30:06.120 Sunday for Rory to birdie three out of the first four, 0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:11.600 put the foot down and kind of get that next major. 0:30:12.120 --> 0:30:14.160 It would have been a huge win in the kind 0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:17.800 of live kind of versus the PGA Tour thing. He 0:30:17.840 --> 0:30:20.479 didn't get it done, but I think the way that 0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:24.160 Cam played on that study, what do you remember about that? 0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:27.640 And I've always said that when players that I've been 0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:30.720 lucky enough to be around that win major championships, there's 0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:34.040 something different about them that week and I can never 0:30:34.280 --> 0:30:37.040 put my finger on it. You know, we're just removed. 0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:41.120 Brooks led the Masters for three rounds. The difference between 0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:46.160 winning the week before in Orlando on live. He was 0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:48.680 different at the Masters, even though he didn't get the 0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:51.240 job done, but he had a legit chance. But there 0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:54.120 was something different and I'm still trying to figure out 0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:56.200 what that was. Was there anything that you saw that 0:30:56.280 --> 0:30:59.000 week that made looking back on it, that you go 0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:01.440 that was just a little bit. 0:31:01.840 --> 0:31:05.000 You know, the week before in Scotland, the first two 0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:08.239 rounds played okay early and then sort of on that 0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:09.800 second day, the wind got up a lot and he 0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:12.840 almost looked like missing the cut and kind of ground 0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:14.320 his way in and I think made the cut on 0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:16.840 the number or by one, I can't remember it is exactly, 0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:19.720 but only just made the cut and then played really, 0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:22.360 really nice on the weekend, hit the ball grade, everything 0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:24.880 was just you know, ended up running tenth that week 0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:29.640 and there was just a different feel going from that weekend, 0:31:29.680 --> 0:31:31.400 and it was so important that he made that cut. 0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:33.840 I think that it sort of just led him into 0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:37.160 you know, those two rounds we got to St. Andrews. 0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:39.200 We didn't do much on the Monday, literally walked with 0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:41.480 a putter for a few holes and had a chip 0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:41.840 and apart. 0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:44.960 And they see him do he's again a little bit 0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:48.640 of an old school throwback. You don't see that nowadays, right, 0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:50.560 You don't see you certainly don't see that from young 0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:53.120 kids right now. You know in there you know under 0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:55.800 you know what's camp hold this can down right. So 0:31:56.320 --> 0:31:59.080 he's in late twenties, but you don't see a lot 0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:03.880 of world class superstar players just going around a major 0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:07.280 with Potter. You'll see that sometimes and Djo always says, 0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:10.360 I don't get that, bro He's like, I don't understand 0:32:10.480 --> 0:32:13.240 what guys are doing. So the fact that he's doing 0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:15.400 that when he's out there and he's just walking around 0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:19.720 with a potter, it's a major champion. What's the thought 0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:23.240 process behind this and what actually is he trying to achieve? 0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:26.240 Okay, so first of all, yeah, he's not treating majors 0:32:26.280 --> 0:32:28.600 any different to a normal week. You know, I think 0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:30.320 a lot of guys going to majors they try and 0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:32.480 get there early, like you know, you see. 0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:35.160 It's the one where you can overprepare. 0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:36.480 Yeah, you know, and then guys are there and they've 0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:39.800 literally played their tournament before Thursday. Right. So Cam had 0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:43.480 a big weekend, you know, he played really nicely. Actually 0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:45.440 was feeling a bit off as well, but you know, 0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:48.160 just wanted to get a feel like there's almost talk 0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:49.760 we weren't going to do anything on Monday, right. So 0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:52.360 he's played there a number of times, so he felt 0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:55.320 comfortable with that. But he says, look, let's just go 0:32:55.360 --> 0:32:56.880 for a walk and we'll take a wedge ind of putter, 0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:58.800 and so we just did a little bit for you know, 0:32:58.840 --> 0:33:01.200 four or five holes whatever it was, and then only 0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:03.320 played nine holes each of the next two days, so 0:33:04.080 --> 0:33:05.760 you know, I did a rain session before and a 0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:08.000 little bit after both days, and he was in and 0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:11.040 out and ready to go. And then yeah, there was 0:33:11.080 --> 0:33:13.640 just this sense of calm the whole week, you know, 0:33:13.720 --> 0:33:15.920 like what you're talking about about something being different, like 0:33:15.960 --> 0:33:18.840 he it was a focused calm though, you know, like 0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:22.120 it was. I remember it was funny the so obviously 0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:24.360 led after the first two rounds, and then the third 0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:26.920 round it played quite nicely but didn't put as well. 0:33:26.920 --> 0:33:30.120 He had early and shot one over and walks in 0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:31.880 and looks at me and just goes, we're going to 0:33:31.880 --> 0:33:34.080 the putting green. And this is like at nine point 0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:36.360 thirty at night, you know, you know, it's like over there, 0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:38.720 it's starting to get dark. And so we went to 0:33:38.800 --> 0:33:43.200 the putting green and it wasn't like it was you know, 0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:45.000 we need to fix, you know, but it's just wasn't 0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:48.480 quite right. We need to do some work. And you know, 0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:51.320 as a coach, it's like, okay, this is your time, right, 0:33:51.360 --> 0:33:54.360 you know, it's like so and yeah, yeah, that's right, 0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:56.120 you know, And you know, for me it was just 0:33:56.200 --> 0:33:58.600 you know, the stroke had got fraction short on its 0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:01.000 stroke length and sort of has had to over accelerate 0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:03.080 the putter a little bit, and just was about six 0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:05.040 inches under his speed all day, you know. So we 0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:07.200 just lengthened out the backstroke a touch, you know, got 0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:08.680 the putter head sort of crashing into the ball a 0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:10.239 little bit more, got the ball rolling a little bit, 0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:11.920 and you know, he said to me that night, he goes, 0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:13.200 I just need to feel it a little bit more 0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:14.920 into the back of the hole, don't I And I said, yep, 0:34:15.160 --> 0:34:18.160 perfect right, and then sort of reiterated that the next morning. 0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:19.560 It was just like but like I said, it was 0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:22.400 his focus, sort of calm, and you know, because under stress, 0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:24.719 you know, most people get shorter, they get shorter and 0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:29.040 quicker and obviously don't execute as well. So all we 0:34:29.120 --> 0:34:31.040 did was, like I said, lengthen out that backswen a 0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:34.040 little bit, got the flow of the putterhead, you know 0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:37.360 a little bit better, and you know, you know, the 0:34:37.400 --> 0:34:38.680 rest is history, so to speak. 0:34:39.480 --> 0:34:42.160 The up and down that he made on seventeen, in 0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:44.440 my opinion, it's one of the greatest up and downs 0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:47.920 in major championship history. I know you were out there 0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:53.239 walking around, talk me through what you're thinking in that 0:34:53.360 --> 0:34:56.680 moment as he's about to have to try and Okay, 0:34:56.880 --> 0:34:58.560 he's got to You're like, okay, he's got to get 0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:00.600 this thing up and down yep to have it. What 0:35:00.600 --> 0:35:02.239 what are you thinking as a coach, because I've been 0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:04.880 in that situation before, you know, where a player is 0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:08.000 trying to win a major championship and I mean, I'm 0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:10.319 struggling to breathe. I don't know why always say I 0:35:10.360 --> 0:35:13.000 have no idea how these guys do it, because the 0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:15.560 stress that I feel just watching for them to be 0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:17.640 able to camp. So what do you think in there? 0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:19.640 Are you thinking he's going to get this up and now? 0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:22.680 So I'll give you a bit of that. So we 0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:25.759 walked my son and I walked the front, well, the 0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:28.080 first ten holes right so you know those have been 0:35:28.080 --> 0:35:30.600 to Saint Andrews. There's a little loop down there towards 0:35:30.600 --> 0:35:32.560 the bottom end, and like it was just nuts, you know, 0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:36.080 And and Cam didn't Birdie nine, which was you know, 0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:38.080 one of your Birdie chants. I've been at that stage, 0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:40.120 you know you have to do and he was he 0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:42.840 was kind of still behind then and then when he 0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:44.400 didn't bertie that, it was like, oh, you know, I 0:35:44.400 --> 0:35:47.600 hope that's not our chance. Sort of lost and anyway, 0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:49.520 Bertie's ten, and I looked at my son and I said, 0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:51.480 what do you reckon? We do? Do we try and 0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:53.759 fight the crowds? What do we go back to the 0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:56.279 you know, the play of dining and watch it there. 0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:58.719 And as you know, that's about a three kilometer walk 0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:02.160 back to back to get there. So anyway, so him 0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:04.040 and I run back basically and by the time we 0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:06.160 get there birty to eleven, and he has had a 0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:08.359 little short one on twelve, which is a birdie chance 0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:11.320 and makes bertie on twelve. And then Rory doesn't birdie twelve, 0:36:11.320 --> 0:36:13.120 and then he birdie's thirteen on the back of that, 0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:15.920 which again is not another real birdie hole. And then 0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:18.080 when he birdied fourteen the par five, I looked at 0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:20.640 our sports side and I'm like, shit's get real here, 0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:23.000 Like you know this is this is actually always that. 0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:26.520 Moment where, unless they're leading, right when you work with 0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:28.760 the player and they're chasing, there's that moment to where 0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:30.640 as a coach you have that kind of you look 0:36:30.680 --> 0:36:32.440 and you start doing the math and you look at 0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:35.920 the holes that they've played. Maybe the leader didn't take 0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:37.880 advantage of it, and then all of a sudden you're like, okay, 0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:41.920 well we now have a he's got a legit chance 0:36:42.040 --> 0:36:44.400 with five holes left to win a Claire. 0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:47.719 Jock exactly right then chance. So then on sixteen, you know, 0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:50.680 some of the officials come and got our team and 0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:52.560 took us up behind the eighteenth green, you know, just 0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:55.520 obviously in case case he wins, and so we're sort 0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:57.319 of standing up there. So we're watching the put on 0:36:57.400 --> 0:37:00.000 seventeen from the back of the eighteen, which you can see, 0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:02.719 you yeah, know what's going on. You can see him, 0:37:02.719 --> 0:37:04.600 but you can't see the whole right, So obviously he 0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:06.280 hits the part and the next minute of the crowd 0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:08.520 sort of goes nuts, and you know, obviously it went 0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:10.880 in and then we are looking at each other going okay, 0:37:10.920 --> 0:37:13.880 this is really and then you know, hit a great 0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:15.920 drive up aideen you know, to hit it where he 0:37:16.000 --> 0:37:18.799 did and you know, to tupart from there like I mean, 0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:20.880 you know, would have been really easy for him to 0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:23.040 you know, hit something a bit shorten down the left 0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:24.920 and try and pitch it up and down, and but 0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:27.080 to hit the driver and to have the you know, 0:37:27.120 --> 0:37:29.440 the balls to basically you know, keep trying to make 0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:31.640 birdies you know when it cams things when he's in 0:37:31.640 --> 0:37:34.040 that moment, is he's just trying to keep making berties 0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:37.160 and if somebody's good enough to catch him, great, But 0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:38.920 he's you know, like we said earlier, he's trying to 0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:41.640 move forward, right So and then obviously, you know, I 0:37:41.640 --> 0:37:43.680 think that part that he actually hit on eighteen was 0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:45.319 just as good as the one on seventeen, you know, 0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:46.839 to put it up there to a couple of feet 0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:48.919 and you know, like you said, I'm standing there thinking 0:37:49.160 --> 0:37:51.279 I couldn't even hold it, you know, let alone you know, 0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:54.000 knock that in. So probably why he's the one doing 0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:55.840 and you and I are standing here talking on a podcast, 0:37:55.920 --> 0:37:59.240 right so, I think, you know, it was an amazing feeling. 0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:02.440 And then obviously watching Rory come down the last and 0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:05.239 you know, would have had to hold a webshot and 0:38:05.320 --> 0:38:07.719 obviously didn't, and you know, just to look around and think, 0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:09.480 you know, for me, it was such a surreal moment, 0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:11.319 like I'm standing on the back of the eighteenth green 0:38:11.360 --> 0:38:13.920 at St. Andrew's, you know, looking down as the crowd's 0:38:13.960 --> 0:38:16.880 coming up the fairway. You know, obviously you know it 0:38:16.920 --> 0:38:19.440 didn't work out for Rory, but you know, the player 0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:21.279 that I've coached since the age of ten, you know, 0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:24.120 is winning one hundred and fiftieth Open at St. Andrew, 0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:26.600 like shot thirty the back nine, Like he literally couldn't 0:38:26.600 --> 0:38:29.600 have written a better script. And you know, just had 0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:31.759 that moment where I'm just looking around thinking, if this 0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:34.040 is it for me, I'm good, you know, like I said, 0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:35.799 I hope he wins more. But if this is all 0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:38.080 it is, I can retire pretty happy on this one. 0:38:38.120 --> 0:38:40.680 He seems to be one of those players that gets 0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:43.640 to Augusta National. We just came from there, you know, 0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:45.759 didn't probably play the way he wanted to this year, 0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:49.319 but he has a comfort level at Augusta. What do 0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:51.879 you think it is about Augusta that Cam likes because 0:38:51.880 --> 0:38:56.359 you wouldn't obviously the putting is a huge asset on there. 0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:58.360 But he was never a player that everybody went I 0:38:58.400 --> 0:39:00.520 was games made for Augusta's name Guss and then all 0:39:00.520 --> 0:39:02.480 of a sudden, here's a couple of years where we're 0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:04.879 like for a gust Yeah. 0:39:05.160 --> 0:39:09.839 I think you know again, those big players they relish, 0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:11.960 you know that situation. I remember he played with Dustin 0:39:12.920 --> 0:39:16.239 so twenty eighteen, I think, and you know, they sort 0:39:16.239 --> 0:39:18.720 of went around the front nine just sort of lumbering 0:39:18.719 --> 0:39:20.600 a little bit, and Dustin was the number one player 0:39:20.600 --> 0:39:22.279 in the world at the time, and I remember, you know, 0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:24.560 them talking at Pinner talking about afterwards. He turned around 0:39:24.560 --> 0:39:26.440 to us and said, let's get moving, like you know, 0:39:26.480 --> 0:39:28.920 here he is, you know, still at that time, probably 0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:32.240 relatively not unknown, but you know, to you know, unless 0:39:32.239 --> 0:39:33.720 you're a goal for you didn't know who came. Swift 0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:38.160 was right, and you know he's telling the world number one, 0:39:38.239 --> 0:39:40.000 let's get moving, like, let's give this a shake, and 0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:42.200 he shoots thirty the back nine ends up running fifth. 0:39:42.480 --> 0:39:44.240 You had a part for twenty nine on the last, 0:39:44.320 --> 0:39:46.480 you know, like just when he gets in that moment. 0:39:46.520 --> 0:39:49.720 And so so that's one thing. The second thing that's 0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:53.560 massive for Cam is I think the creativity that Augusta asks, 0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:56.960 you know, it just really engages him and like, you know, 0:39:57.000 --> 0:39:59.319 he loves seeing where he's got to land and how 0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:01.680 it's going to feed that, and especially his short game. 0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:03.960 You know, I think his control over his flight and 0:40:04.000 --> 0:40:06.440 his spin and I might be biased, but is as 0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:09.719 good as anybody I've ever seen. And I think around there, 0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:12.880 if you do that, well, you know, you can control 0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:14.880 the ball, right. The guys that don't you know, you 0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:16.920 get shown up pretty quickly, so I think, you know, 0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:19.960 the creativity obviously, the putting on those greens is you know, 0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:24.000 is very difficult, but you know, also his stuff around 0:40:24.000 --> 0:40:26.759 the greens is really really important as well, So you know, 0:40:26.920 --> 0:40:29.560 I think that's you know, all those things is one 0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:31.880 of the reasons why he's you know, he's sort of 0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:32.640 built for that place. 0:40:32.760 --> 0:40:34.600 Well, given the type of player he is, in the 0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:37.799 type of game he has. It's going to sound weird, 0:40:37.840 --> 0:40:43.359 but I think Augusta allows Cam to play golf, which 0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:45.800 I think is a huge strength of this because you 0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:49.400 have to play the game. There is an ort to 0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:53.440 playing golf, absolutely, and I think everybody wants to be 0:40:54.080 --> 0:40:58.120 a tactician. I think Cam around us allows him to 0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:02.600 somewhat be an artist and kind of shape his way 0:41:02.640 --> 0:41:06.440 around that golf course and visually, I would imagine he 0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:10.520 likes that because that's the way he sees golf, regardless 0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:11.560 of whether he's out Augusta or not. 0:41:11.680 --> 0:41:14.799 Yeah, absolutely, and it does. It engages him. And you know, 0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:17.120 so the more you know, like any player, the more 0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:19.520 focused thing they are and what they're doing, the better 0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:21.240 they're going to be But like you said, for Somewhere, 0:41:21.280 --> 0:41:23.719 like Cammy, he wants to be creative. He wants to 0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:25.279 hit different. You know. It's like he short game, the 0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:27.239 amount of times I'll see him at a shot, and 0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:29.640 I like, even nowadays, I'm like, I didn't see that, 0:41:30.320 --> 0:41:32.320 you know, Like, I mean, I've been around him forever 0:41:32.400 --> 0:41:34.640 and I know what he sees most of the time. 0:41:34.640 --> 0:41:38.080 But sometimes I'm like, man, you know that's next level, right. 0:41:38.120 --> 0:41:42.279 I had a guy over, Michael Nephews from Gears, you know, 0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:44.719 and he Michael was here this week, and you know, 0:41:44.840 --> 0:41:47.200 he got to watch and he said, I knew it 0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:49.399 was good because I'd seen it on TV, and he goes, 0:41:49.440 --> 0:41:52.000 but watching in the flesh, he goes, my god, that 0:41:52.360 --> 0:41:55.680 is something else. He goes like, just the quality of 0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:58.240 the strike, the way he controls his spin, all those things, 0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:01.000 and I think that's that creativity that comes to the 0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:04.560 full ran Somewhere Local Gusta. 0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:10.000 Obviously, cam was one of the guys that made the 0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:12.200 decision to go to Live. I'm sure that was a 0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:15.160 huge decision. I mean, I got three players currently playing 0:42:15.160 --> 0:42:17.919 on Live. But it was a massive decision for dj 0:42:18.080 --> 0:42:23.279 DJ after he won the Masters the COVID Masters. He 0:42:23.320 --> 0:42:26.160 didn't play good for two years, and I think he 0:42:26.239 --> 0:42:29.640 would admit and has kind of admitted. But those of 0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:33.640 us on his team knew that decision on should I 0:42:33.719 --> 0:42:36.080 go to Live, should I not go to live? It 0:42:36.120 --> 0:42:39.160 weighed on him for two years and it massively affected 0:42:39.480 --> 0:42:42.520 his golf once he made the decision. Obviously, the way 0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:44.439 DJ played on Live last year, I think he freed 0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:47.799 up and the decision that Cam made a lot of 0:42:47.880 --> 0:42:52.399 people scratched their heads. Why do you think he did it? 0:42:52.480 --> 0:42:55.960 And what conversations did you have with him? And what 0:42:56.239 --> 0:43:00.799 role that what I mean, did you say, Hey, these 0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:03.080 are the pros, the cons, this is what I think 0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:06.000 you should do. This is what top us through that 0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:06.840 whole decision. 0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:09.719 So I think, you know, he spoke to a number 0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:13.759 of people about it. I think, you know, let's not 0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:15.880 trugcate the fact that the money was a big driver 0:43:15.960 --> 0:43:18.759 for all of them, right, But besides that, you know, 0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:21.400 for Cam, I think the team atmosphere, you know. I remember, 0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:23.719 like when Cam was coming through as an amateur, you know, 0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:25.480 so we play a lot of inner state golf here 0:43:25.480 --> 0:43:30.040 in Australia. So and I remember once he got invited 0:43:30.080 --> 0:43:32.759 to there's a junior event, the top fifty juniors play 0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:33.520 Sage Valley. 0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:36.359 Yep, Sage Valuer Junior inportation, great tournament. 0:43:36.719 --> 0:43:41.160 Top fifty j Yeah, like great opportunity, right, Cam chose 0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:45.719 to play the Junior Interstate Series at Cabra Matta Golf Club. 0:43:45.800 --> 0:43:50.080 Now not knocking cabrat you know, but it's not Sage Valley, right, And. 0:43:50.040 --> 0:43:52.040 Every junior in the world's trying to play in Siege. 0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:54.520 Exactly right, and if you can qualify, Yeah, And he 0:43:54.640 --> 0:43:57.439 chose to play as the captain of that junior team 0:43:57.520 --> 0:44:01.880 for his state, right. And I think that team mentality 0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:03.439 is something like you know, if you have a little 0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:06.480 Presidence Cup, you know, World Cup with Mark, you know, 0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:08.920 like he loves that stuff, right. So I think the 0:44:08.960 --> 0:44:12.760 team atmosphere was a big thing. I think the schedule 0:44:12.800 --> 0:44:15.160 to be able to be home more was a big 0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:19.320 thing as well. And then you know the team ownership, 0:44:19.400 --> 0:44:20.880 you know, to be a part of something new and 0:44:20.960 --> 0:44:24.360 exciting that you know, like is a bit of a gamble, 0:44:24.440 --> 0:44:26.480 no question. But you know, I think if you look 0:44:26.520 --> 0:44:28.600 at what does this look like in ten years time, 0:44:29.520 --> 0:44:32.920 you know that that franchise model that you know, that 0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:36.480 f one sort of model. I think, you know, you're 0:44:36.520 --> 0:44:38.200 going on Okay, I think this is going to be 0:44:38.280 --> 0:44:39.960 amazing and I want to be a part of it. 0:44:40.040 --> 0:44:42.280 So there's there's a heap of pieces to that puzzle 0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:45.840 that made it, you know, the decision. You know, I 0:44:45.840 --> 0:44:49.279 think I get from a PJA and an American point 0:44:49.280 --> 0:44:51.600 of view, that's a much harder decision than an Aussies. 0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:55.960 You know, it really is, because you know, we you know, 0:44:56.000 --> 0:44:57.799 you talked about the tool. We used to have a 0:44:57.840 --> 0:45:00.239 tour here and unfortunately the back end of that used 0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:02.000 to be when all the players from America came. 0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:05.040 It was always November December, yep. So we used to 0:45:05.080 --> 0:45:07.440 have weather down here. The US guys could come if 0:45:07.480 --> 0:45:08.000 they wanted to. 0:45:08.040 --> 0:45:10.640 Yes, so, and then once the US sort of lengthened 0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:13.319 their schedule, that stopped all their guys coming home. So 0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:16.319 I think, you know, and that's why I think it's 0:45:16.360 --> 0:45:18.840 been so well received here, because we've just been starved 0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:20.759 of that golf that we used to get on a 0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:24.080 regular basis. So I think there was a number of 0:45:24.120 --> 0:45:26.640 things that I said that that made that decision for him. 0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:28.800 And look, you know now they couldn't be happier. 0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:32.839 Yeah, and I think if you look at the set, 0:45:32.880 --> 0:45:35.879 I think a lot of people that are critical of Live. 0:45:37.760 --> 0:45:41.000 I would say, in my opinion, maybe it'll change after 0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:44.080 the Masters, But pre Masters, the majority of the people 0:45:44.120 --> 0:45:46.720 that were anti Live have never come to a tournament. 0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:51.240 They've never been a part of the Live ecosystem as 0:45:51.960 --> 0:45:54.719 the players that you and I work with are. And 0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:58.160 we've all been a part of the PGA to our 0:45:58.239 --> 0:46:01.120 ecosystem for a number you know, I've been working with 0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:04.160 players on the PGA tour for twenty years. We know 0:46:04.239 --> 0:46:07.279 what that ecosystem's like, we know what that feels like. 0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:09.839 And I think the interesting thing is I tell people 0:46:09.880 --> 0:46:13.200 all the time that you know, the Live the strength 0:46:13.480 --> 0:46:14.920 for a lot of the guys on Live is that 0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:18.040 I don't think people that aren't a part of the 0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:22.000 the ecosystem don't understand the team concept. They think, oh yeah, 0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:24.160 everybody showed up at Augusta and they had to. You know, 0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:27.320 the amount of questions Cam got in the press conference 0:46:27.360 --> 0:46:30.600 at Augusta about the fact that he was wearing team logos. 0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:34.680 I'm like, every player that comes to Augusta National is 0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:37.799 wearing a logo of something, whether they're on a Live team, 0:46:37.960 --> 0:46:43.040 or it's a corporate team that's paying them a clothing 0:46:43.080 --> 0:46:47.439 team effectively that is paying them a manufacturer. Everybody has 0:46:47.480 --> 0:46:51.360 that the team thing is huge. Do you think that 0:46:52.000 --> 0:46:55.920 Cam also looked at I've got an opportunity to play 0:46:56.520 --> 0:47:01.239 with good friends and people that I really really like 0:47:01.920 --> 0:47:04.160 and want to be around all the time, and it 0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:07.400 just makes my job. Well, I think it's been crazy 0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:10.719 when I say to people, everybody looks like they're having 0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:12.759 fun out on people? Are it? Guys look like you're 0:47:12.760 --> 0:47:14.200 having a lot of fun out there? I'm like, yeah, 0:47:14.200 --> 0:47:14.960 and what's wrong with that? 0:47:15.120 --> 0:47:15.319 Yeah? 0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:20.480 Like every sport, every team sport there has a player 0:47:20.480 --> 0:47:22.480 that will say, listen, I want to go to that 0:47:22.520 --> 0:47:25.200 team because I grew up with guys on that team 0:47:25.239 --> 0:47:27.239 and I want to play for that team because that's 0:47:27.280 --> 0:47:30.360 where my boys are. And I just don't understand why golf. 0:47:30.440 --> 0:47:32.360 Everybody wants golf to not be like that. 0:47:32.640 --> 0:47:33.920 But I think there's a lot of things in that. 0:47:34.000 --> 0:47:36.280 I think, you know, like you talk about the fun aspect, 0:47:36.320 --> 0:47:38.840 like you know you're going to work for a long time, right, Like, 0:47:39.280 --> 0:47:41.680 why shouldn't it be fun? You know? And it doesn't 0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:43.439 mean that the guys are not trying their bums off, 0:47:43.719 --> 0:47:45.799 you know, like I think people sort of think that 0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:48.360 if you're having fun, then you can't be being serious 0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:50.480 about your job. Those guys, I mean, for me, are 0:47:50.520 --> 0:47:53.160 working probably harder than they did when they're at on 0:47:53.200 --> 0:47:55.480 the PGA tour, right. And again for me, it's not 0:47:55.520 --> 0:47:58.160 even about the versus PGA tour. The e vect is 0:47:58.600 --> 0:48:00.640 like you said, Cam gets to spend and you know 0:48:01.000 --> 0:48:04.480 most of his traveling year with good mates, right, They're 0:48:04.520 --> 0:48:07.480 all playing for a common goal. They get, you know, 0:48:08.960 --> 0:48:10.640 like I said that, like you got like Jed, like 0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:12.959 he said, he gets to help bring Jed through onto tour. 0:48:13.640 --> 0:48:17.160 Yeah, I mean Cam has an unique opportunity as a 0:48:17.200 --> 0:48:19.279 twenty nine year old to take a kid like Jed 0:48:19.320 --> 0:48:23.359 Morgan and be a mentor to him. You know, you're 0:48:23.360 --> 0:48:26.520 trying to mentor kids. And we're not in our thirties, right, 0:48:26.600 --> 0:48:29.360 We're not in our early twenties. Right. You have an opportunity, 0:48:29.360 --> 0:48:31.840 as a twenty nine year old, as a major champion, 0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:34.360 as a players champion, to say to a young you 0:48:34.360 --> 0:48:37.919 know Australian players, hey, come on my team, yeah right, 0:48:38.200 --> 0:48:39.600 and I'll show you how to do. 0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:43.760 This exactly right, you know, and that's that's so unique. 0:48:43.760 --> 0:48:46.120 Like yeah, you look at it like Mark and Matter 0:48:46.200 --> 0:48:48.160 a little bit older than Cam and they've been out 0:48:48.200 --> 0:48:51.400 on tour and you know, like I mean, asaid have 0:48:51.480 --> 0:48:55.160 got great relationships and especially Mark and Cam you know, 0:48:55.440 --> 0:48:58.920 pre the live stuff, you know, they were great mates. 0:48:58.960 --> 0:49:02.279 You know, so why not go? You know, like why 0:49:02.320 --> 0:49:04.439 not do it? And again I think it's about part 0:49:04.560 --> 0:49:07.120 you know, whilst, like a lot of things, at the start, 0:49:07.200 --> 0:49:09.759 people will want to find reasons why not to you know, 0:49:09.760 --> 0:49:11.719 I think the longer this is going on, you know, 0:49:11.840 --> 0:49:13.480 people just want to be involved. And if you look 0:49:13.520 --> 0:49:15.520 at like this week, you know, the amount of Ripper 0:49:15.640 --> 0:49:18.720 GC hats that are walking around, like I think it's amazing, 0:49:18.760 --> 0:49:20.560 and all of a sudden, that's what you know, like 0:49:20.600 --> 0:49:22.440 you said before the young kids start to buy into 0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:26.080 my son, you know, just bought a live jumper for 0:49:26.120 --> 0:49:28.000 one hundred and twenty five dollars or whatever it was, 0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:30.400 and like he's in you know, like he's looking at 0:49:30.440 --> 0:49:32.919 Cam going you know, I want to be on that team, 0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:33.160 you know. 0:49:33.280 --> 0:49:35.799 So and I'm sure you're experiencing this as well with 0:49:35.840 --> 0:49:37.880 the amount of young players that you work with, not 0:49:37.920 --> 0:49:40.759 only from a junior standpoint, but people trying to play 0:49:40.800 --> 0:49:42.960 in other professionals. What I don't think a lot of 0:49:43.000 --> 0:49:46.239 people realize now is I have high school kids, high 0:49:46.280 --> 0:49:49.960 school parents, college kids, college parents, and then kit players 0:49:50.000 --> 0:49:52.880 trying to play saying, listen, what's the pathway to play 0:49:52.880 --> 0:49:55.520 on lift? Because I don't think that people that aren't 0:49:55.560 --> 0:49:58.480 involved in it, they just see it, they say it's 0:49:58.520 --> 0:50:00.480 an exhibition. There are a peop well that they are 0:50:00.520 --> 0:50:03.279 coming to me now that are saying, listen, that would 0:50:03.360 --> 0:50:05.800 be where I would want to play. And I'm sure 0:50:06.040 --> 0:50:10.080 this week in Australia you'll start to see people now. 0:50:10.200 --> 0:50:13.360 And I say this all the time, Grant, I'm pro player. 0:50:13.440 --> 0:50:16.480 The reason why I want live to succeed is you 0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:20.279 and I work with professional athletes and professional golfers, and 0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:24.880 I think and believe professional golfers and professional athletes should 0:50:24.920 --> 0:50:29.960 have the exact same opportunities that every other athlete playing 0:50:30.080 --> 0:50:33.120 every other sport has to try and make as much 0:50:33.160 --> 0:50:35.200 money as possible based off of your talent. 0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:36.759 Yeah, well, I think, And that's one of the things 0:50:36.880 --> 0:50:39.120 I found interesting. You know, like a lot of people 0:50:39.239 --> 0:50:41.760 sort of bag that everybody gets paid, right because in golf, 0:50:41.880 --> 0:50:44.040 you know, we've always had cuts. We've always had people 0:50:44.040 --> 0:50:45.880 that miss out. And you know, and I sort of 0:50:45.880 --> 0:50:47.359 say to people, it's like if you went to work 0:50:47.400 --> 0:50:51.840 one week, right, and you turned up at work and 0:50:51.880 --> 0:50:54.320 you did a pretty good job. Week's work, right, you 0:50:54.440 --> 0:50:57.120 paid for your hotel to be there, you'd bought somebody along, 0:50:57.200 --> 0:50:58.879 like you caddy and all this, and it's petially about 0:50:58.920 --> 0:51:01.120 five or six grand to be there, and you know, 0:51:01.719 --> 0:51:03.200 but the boss comes out and says, you know what, 0:51:04.239 --> 0:51:06.040 you were good this week, but you weren't good enough, 0:51:06.080 --> 0:51:07.399 so I'm not going to pay you. But come back 0:51:07.440 --> 0:51:09.719 next week and have another go, right, and if you're 0:51:09.719 --> 0:51:11.000 good and if you're good enough, we'll give you a 0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:12.600 little bit more, give you a little more, yeah, you know, 0:51:12.680 --> 0:51:14.800 and like, yeah, you can be a backup pitcher for 0:51:14.840 --> 0:51:18.080 the Dodgers and not picture a game and still get paid. Right. 0:51:18.280 --> 0:51:21.279 These guys, yep, they're paid entertainment, right, and they they 0:51:21.440 --> 0:51:24.040 should be paid, you know. And I think that's what 0:51:24.120 --> 0:51:26.480 we've got to change, that mindset that these guys deserve 0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:28.759 to be paid. They work hard, They spend a lot 0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:30.400 of money, a lot of time, a lot of effort 0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:32.319 to get to where they want to get to where 0:51:32.320 --> 0:51:35.000 they're trying to get to and you know they should 0:51:35.000 --> 0:51:35.799 be rewarded for that. 0:51:36.160 --> 0:51:37.759 I'm talking to j Or Smith. I had them on 0:51:37.800 --> 0:51:42.040 my podcast, but privately, j are you know two NBA championships. 0:51:43.520 --> 0:51:46.880 He was saying, we were talking about live happening, and 0:51:46.920 --> 0:51:48.840 he's like, I just don't get it because he's like, 0:51:48.920 --> 0:51:52.680 there's guys in the NBA that play four to five 0:51:52.719 --> 0:51:55.000 minutes a game and they're making twenty five million. And 0:51:55.080 --> 0:51:57.239 he said, and if the team makes the playoff, they 0:51:57.320 --> 0:52:00.759 never play, like they'll never play because they're they're just 0:52:00.800 --> 0:52:03.200 a position guy. The only time they would play is 0:52:03.239 --> 0:52:08.320 if somebody came in and you know, got hurt. The money. Obviously, 0:52:08.640 --> 0:52:10.520 Cam's one of the guys. He got the bag, he 0:52:11.800 --> 0:52:14.919 got life changing money. Have you noticed any change in him? 0:52:15.080 --> 0:52:15.600 Not one bit. 0:52:16.640 --> 0:52:19.600 But also the thing that everybody says is nobody's practicing. 0:52:19.680 --> 0:52:21.960 They've all got in the bag. They've all just taken 0:52:21.960 --> 0:52:24.720 their foot off the gas. They're not competitive. You noticed 0:52:24.800 --> 0:52:27.280 any difference. He did say that he came down probably 0:52:27.320 --> 0:52:29.440 for the first time in probably ten years, he was 0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:31.320 able to come down and have a proper three to 0:52:31.360 --> 0:52:34.000 four month off season hang with his boys, see the 0:52:34.040 --> 0:52:36.080 family and just be a normal human being. 0:52:36.160 --> 0:52:39.120 Yep. Yeah. Look as far as his effort, no, like, 0:52:39.239 --> 0:52:43.040 he's as professional as ever and probably wants it more, 0:52:43.239 --> 0:52:46.680 you know, to show people that they are at that level. 0:52:46.680 --> 0:52:49.000 And I think, you know, the biggest thing I think 0:52:49.080 --> 0:52:51.360 at the moment for Cam is just, you know, is 0:52:51.400 --> 0:52:54.320 an adjustment in him being one of the team owners 0:52:54.360 --> 0:52:57.160 and the team captains and everything that goes with that. 0:52:57.239 --> 0:53:00.200 I think, you know, there's a lot more constraint on 0:53:00.239 --> 0:53:02.120 his time now, you know. I think there's a lot 0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:04.200 more expectation for him to do certain things, and I 0:53:04.200 --> 0:53:07.120 think that plays its part in performance, you know. But 0:53:07.200 --> 0:53:10.040 when it's golf time, he's all in. You know, he's 0:53:10.320 --> 0:53:13.480 still doing the work. He's he's not shirking anything, that's 0:53:13.520 --> 0:53:13.920 for sure. 0:53:14.239 --> 0:53:19.160 Lastly, pro mullet anti mullet because obviously one of the 0:53:19.160 --> 0:53:21.240 great things about Live this week. There's a T shirt 0:53:21.680 --> 0:53:25.239 you can see it online. I'm social. It's kind of 0:53:25.280 --> 0:53:28.879 outline with the hair. I there's no way he can 0:53:28.920 --> 0:53:31.120 cut the hair now, right, I mean, there's just no 0:53:31.239 --> 0:53:32.399 way that he can get rid of. 0:53:32.320 --> 0:53:34.120 The mullet look. I think you know, it started as 0:53:34.120 --> 0:53:35.800 a joke, you know, and if you look back earlier. 0:53:35.840 --> 0:53:38.400 You know, he sort of said it at the time. Yeah, yeah, 0:53:38.600 --> 0:53:41.800 my mum hates it girlfriend, you know, but the boys 0:53:41.800 --> 0:53:43.440 love it, you know, And that's where it sort of started. 0:53:43.440 --> 0:53:46.200 And that sort of typifies Cam and I think, but now, 0:53:46.480 --> 0:53:48.839 you know, like, hey, he's played so good since he's 0:53:48.880 --> 0:53:50.759 had it, and then b you know, it's part of 0:53:50.800 --> 0:53:52.839 who he is. So I'd struggled to think that he's 0:53:52.840 --> 0:53:55.280 going to cut anytime soon. He did say at one stage, 0:53:55.280 --> 0:53:57.040 if I win a major, I'll cut it, and then 0:53:57.120 --> 0:53:58.719 as soon as that happened, he went, now, I'm not 0:53:58.719 --> 0:54:01.279 cutting that say, I can't see it going anywhere just yet. 0:54:01.320 --> 0:54:05.040 And you know, look like you know, just about every 0:54:05.080 --> 0:54:07.440 kid I coach, including my son, has had it a 0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:08.960 mullet at some stage in Australia. 0:54:08.960 --> 0:54:12.240 Australia with the mullet, because I've never been a place 0:54:12.560 --> 0:54:16.040 in I mean, I grew up I'm fifty four in 0:54:16.080 --> 0:54:19.279 a couple weeks. In a week I grew up in 0:54:19.680 --> 0:54:22.759 the eighties, every kid in my high school had a mullet, right, 0:54:22.760 --> 0:54:24.239 I mean, it was an old school thing. Then the 0:54:24.320 --> 0:54:26.560 mullet went away. What is it in OZ with the 0:54:26.640 --> 0:54:28.000 mullet and the cheesy mustache. 0:54:28.080 --> 0:54:31.719 Well, to be honest, you know, like again I'm not much, 0:54:31.760 --> 0:54:33.919 but I'm a huge younger than you, and we never 0:54:33.920 --> 0:54:35.719 had it early on, you know, and then all of 0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:37.320 a sudden it came back and it was actually a 0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:40.000 lot of the rugby league players started having it in 0:54:40.040 --> 0:54:42.239 Australia and then I said, Cam kind of did it 0:54:42.239 --> 0:54:44.319 as a joke. And then like now golfers have got it, 0:54:44.360 --> 0:54:46.960 and you know, like I'd coach you know, at least 0:54:47.000 --> 0:54:49.840 a dozen kids that have mullets, you know, and it's crazy, 0:54:49.880 --> 0:54:51.719 like everybody goes, oh to be coached by you, do 0:54:51.719 --> 0:54:54.560 you have to have a mullet? And you know, like yeah, 0:54:54.680 --> 0:54:56.120 so look I think it's you know, one of the 0:54:56.120 --> 0:54:59.759 things with Ozzie's is you know they're quite comfortable taking 0:54:59.800 --> 0:55:01.879 the you got to say the mickey out of each 0:55:01.880 --> 0:55:03.839 other and yeah, I said, we'd said taking the piece 0:55:03.880 --> 0:55:06.680 out of each other, you know. But yeah, so look, 0:55:07.160 --> 0:55:09.239 we don't take ourselves too seriously generally, and you know 0:55:09.320 --> 0:55:13.160 that's evident. Boy Kim's DOGI mustache and mullets. You know, 0:55:13.920 --> 0:55:15.160 I think it's here to say. 0:55:15.440 --> 0:55:17.520 Grant, I can't take thank you enough for talking to us. 0:55:17.600 --> 0:55:21.680 And when you work with a kid as a ten 0:55:21.760 --> 0:55:25.400 year old not you know what golfers are like, they're 0:55:25.480 --> 0:55:30.080 never gonna blame themselves and they'll switch coaches. The fact 0:55:30.120 --> 0:55:32.879 that Cam is is and not only that, the fact 0:55:32.920 --> 0:55:35.759 that Cam has kept you on his team and you're 0:55:35.800 --> 0:55:37.560 so much a part of his professional life and his 0:55:37.600 --> 0:55:40.800 personal life. But he's also done this now living in America, 0:55:41.040 --> 0:55:43.080 it's not like you see him on a regular basis. 0:55:43.080 --> 0:55:45.240 Now you've got to come to him. And the fact 0:55:45.239 --> 0:55:49.799 that he's kept you on his team through thick and thin, 0:55:50.120 --> 0:55:52.880 I think says a tremendous amount about him. But I 0:55:52.880 --> 0:55:54.839 also think it says a hell of a lot about 0:55:54.880 --> 0:55:58.000 you as a person, as a player, as a coach, 0:55:58.040 --> 0:56:01.719 and that player coach relationship, and it's it's really cool 0:56:01.800 --> 0:56:04.799 to watch, and I think you're doing a hell of 0:56:04.800 --> 0:56:06.600 a job with him and a lot of the other 0:56:06.600 --> 0:56:09.600 players you're you're working with. So thanks for taking time 0:56:09.600 --> 0:56:15.919 to talk to us. So that was grand Field and 0:56:16.120 --> 0:56:19.560 a really good pod. Lots and lots of stuff to 0:56:19.600 --> 0:56:22.920 take in there. And you know, you take a player 0:56:23.280 --> 0:56:24.920 from a ten year old and turn him into a 0:56:24.960 --> 0:56:27.400 major championship. I can't imagine what that must have meant 0:56:27.640 --> 0:56:30.240 to be at St. Andrew's for Grant and his team 0:56:30.640 --> 0:56:33.040 and the team around camp to see that happen and 0:56:33.480 --> 0:56:35.520 to get I've been lucky enough to be a part 0:56:35.520 --> 0:56:37.960 of that. And when you watch a player that you've 0:56:37.960 --> 0:56:41.480 worked with win a major championship, it's it's just an amazing, 0:56:41.680 --> 0:56:45.720 amazing feeling lived. Last week I was down in Australia, 0:56:46.400 --> 0:56:48.680 the Aussie fans, I just I just can't say enough 0:56:48.680 --> 0:56:51.960 about the way they came out. You can tell that 0:56:52.120 --> 0:56:54.920 it has been a long time since golf fans in 0:56:54.960 --> 0:56:58.800 Australia have seen that type of field, those type of players, 0:56:58.880 --> 0:57:02.520 and they showed up in full force. It was one 0:57:02.520 --> 0:57:04.440 of the coolest weeks that I've been a part of 0:57:04.760 --> 0:57:09.360 in my professional career, and just to see the enthusiasm 0:57:09.920 --> 0:57:12.319 it really was something really really cool. I know all 0:57:12.320 --> 0:57:15.920 the players felt it as well, and I think one 0:57:15.960 --> 0:57:18.960 of the winners last week, Yeah, I think Live made 0:57:19.520 --> 0:57:21.600 a step forward, if you like, But I think the 0:57:21.600 --> 0:57:23.680 big winners last week were the golf fans in Australia 0:57:23.720 --> 0:57:26.960 who got to see some really cool golf and it 0:57:27.000 --> 0:57:30.080 was a hell of a week and hopefully we'll get 0:57:30.080 --> 0:57:34.080 to get back down there again. Next year. Thanks everyone 0:57:34.080 --> 0:57:36.720 for listening. I know we took last week off. I've 0:57:36.760 --> 0:57:40.439 been on a pretty brutal travel schedule lately, but we've 0:57:40.480 --> 0:57:42.440 got some really good pods. I've got a lot of 0:57:42.480 --> 0:57:45.480 good stuff coming, and you guys are gonna have some 0:57:45.480 --> 0:57:47.680 good stuff to listen to in the coming weeks. Son 0:57:47.680 --> 0:57:50.040 of a Butcher comes to you every Wednesday. We will 0:57:50.040 --> 0:57:50.920 see you next week.