1 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. You know, Drill. 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: We come to you every Wednesday. This week's guest Grant Field. 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: Grant is the coach of the Open champion Cam Smith. 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: I was down in Australia last week and had a 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: chance to sit down and talk to him. I'm a 6 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: huge fan of the work that he does, and I 7 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: think the work that he has done with Cam has 8 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: been amazing. He talks a lot in the pod about 9 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: how he's been Cam's coach really since about Kim was 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: ten eleven years old, and that's a rarity to have 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: an opportunity to work with a junior player that long 12 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 1: and the success that they've had. But the way they 13 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: work with him and how he works with Cam on 14 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 1: a swing, I think it's a really really good insight 15 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: to a player that isn't necessarily kind of out of 16 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: that factory of players. You know, Cam isn't. He isn't 17 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: six foot one, six foot two, doesn't bomb the golf ball. 18 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: Miles has a very kind of unique individual golf swing, 19 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: but it works. He's a great player that breakout year 20 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: last year to win the Players Championship and the Open Championship, 21 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 1: and the way he won the Open Championship and that historic, 22 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: in my opinion, one of the great duels in Open 23 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: Championship history. Down the stretch with ry McElroy, we talk 24 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,279 Speaker 1: about that. We talk a lot about that with Grant, 25 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: but really I think this is also an opportunity for 26 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: everyone listening. It's it's about junior development. It's about developing 27 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: a player from a young age and how you go 28 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: about doing that. So I'm excited for everybody to hear 29 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 1: Grant talk about it, probably because Grant lives full time 30 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: in Australia. He's not a household name for a lot 31 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: of people then you know on the instructor train, but 32 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: he's one of the best out there and he's doing 33 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: great work. So sit back and enjoy listening to Grant Field. Grant, 34 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: we're down here in Australia for the live event. Before 35 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: we start talking about Cam Smith, wh I know you've 36 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: worked with since he was a junior. The fact that 37 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: any tour would come there, whether it was the PGA Tour, 38 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: whether it's the European Tour, but the caliber of players 39 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: that are here this week on display for Australia, for 40 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: the fans in Australia, but for golf in Australia. How 41 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: important do you think this week is for golf in Australia. 42 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: I think it's massive. I think, you know, like, to 43 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: be perfectly honest, I've been involved with golf now, I've 44 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:24,839 Speaker 2: been playing since I was an eleven year old kid, 45 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 2: and you know, we've never seen a field like this. 46 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 2: I mean even go back to the days where Nicholas 47 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,959 Speaker 2: would come out and Palmer and those guys and player, 48 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: but we didn't have the depth that's in this field today. 49 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: You know, like the top end was really quite strong 50 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,640 Speaker 2: and the same as when, yeah, we used to you know, 51 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: we'd get guys from different times where you say Rory 52 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: had come out or Jordan would come out, or somebody'd 53 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: come out, but it'd only be one or two guys, 54 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 2: and maybe even around the Presence Cup we'd get a 55 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: couple more for an ASI Open. But to have a 56 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 2: field like this, it's got I think thirteen major winners, 57 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: you know, like just doesn't happen. So and you can 58 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: tell by the crowds like this is nuts this week. 59 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 2: This is something that we've never seen. And yeah, arguably 60 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: you know, even at the biggest golf to ones and 61 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 2: majors and you know that's what it feels like. 62 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: Yet it really does. I mean to have all of 63 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: these great players in one place. Obviously the fans they 64 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: get to see it, but there are so many I mean, 65 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: we've seen so many kids here, so many junior golfers Australia. 66 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it took me almost two days to get here. 67 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 1: It's a long way from everywhere, and to come down here, 68 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: it's always so special. It's always so much fun. But 69 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: for the junior golfers that are here that get to 70 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: see these players, what impact do you think it has 71 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: and can hopefully have on future generations of golfers to 72 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: see you guys like Brooks, guys like DJ Phil Cam, 73 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: but all of these great players in one place. Yeah. 74 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: I said to Cam yesterday, I said, like if you 75 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 2: have a look at the a man of kids that 76 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: are around and like you said, take away, whether it's 77 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 2: Lebel PJ to it, these kids now are attracted to golf, 78 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 2: you know, like they've seen these guys in the range there. 79 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: You know, they're so invested now in watching these guys 80 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 2: and their careers. And like all of us, you know, 81 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 2: we all had our heroes growing up. For us in 82 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: Australia was Greg, you know, I said, like, and now 83 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 2: you know that, like Wade talked about it the other day. 84 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: He goes like Greg was an idol of mine. Now 85 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 2: I'm playing on a tour that he's the commissioner for 86 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: and you know, like they went out shark dive and 87 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: the other day like that's what dreams are made of. 88 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 2: And you see it all the time. You see, you know, 89 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: those stories about a young kid meeting you know, their 90 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 2: idol and then then becoming that later on. You know, 91 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 2: so I don't doubt there's a kid here this week 92 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 2: that will play on tours and they'll say, I remember 93 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: the time that I saw Cam Smith or Dustin Johnson 94 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 2: or whoever it might be play golf at Live Adelaide. 95 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: You know. So it's very cool. 96 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: And was this golf course, Grange golf Course, what a 97 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 1: really cool place. It's not something that anybody would think 98 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: would be, you know, one of the greatest golf course 99 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: the world. But talk to me about what what makes 100 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: Australian golf course design so special? Because when I come 101 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 1: to these golf courses in OZ and you see, to me, 102 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: the bunkering is the best bunkering anywhere in the world, 103 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: the way that the bunkers are right up on the 104 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: greens and then they just basically fall off. What do 105 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: you think the design of these golf courses are so 106 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: unique and so special. 107 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you look, especially in Melbourne in Adelaide, 108 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 2: you know we sort of get that. We don't so 109 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 2: much get it up in Queensland. But you know, the bunkering, 110 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 2: what you said, is is out of this world. And 111 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 2: if you short side yourself in this bunkering, unless you're 112 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 2: holding a twenty footer, you're probably not getting up and down. 113 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 2: So it then forces you to be strategic about your play, right, 114 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: So and then what you'll find, I mean this week 115 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 2: in Adelaide they had a heap of rain last Saturday 116 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: night which sort of softened the greens a little bit. 117 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: These greens get like they normally do, and they're a 118 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 2: bit firms all of a sudden, you know, they're firm, 119 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 2: they're fast, you know there's some good slope in them. 120 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,239 Speaker 2: And then you're getting there some of those short bunkering 121 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 2: and you know it'sallenging, so you're not overly long, you know, 122 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: but again you know you'll see the guys this week, 123 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: you know, a few irons off ts and you don't 124 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: see that much these days. You know, you see them 125 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 2: hit a lot of drivers, Whereas around here, you know, 126 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 2: you've got to be in the fairway and you've got 127 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 2: to be coming from the right spot, and if you're not, 128 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 2: you get penalized. 129 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 1: One of the things that i DJ was saying about 130 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: a lot of these greens are raised up greens, and 131 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: there isn't any real rough around the greens, but there 132 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: are a lot of slopes. And DJ were saying, you know, 133 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: as short as the golf course is and as easy 134 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: as it might look, you get out of position going 135 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 1: into the green, and then gravity takes off and the 136 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: ball will go to a place to where you're struggling 137 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: to make pops. 138 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 2: And then it's really tight and you're over a bunker 139 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 2: to a short pin, and you know, like you said, 140 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 2: there's there's a couple of holes out there where you 141 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 2: can land it middle of the fairway and finish in 142 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 2: the right rough just off the green right, and then 143 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: like you said, then it's a challenge to get the 144 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 2: ball up and down from there. So I think, yeah, look, 145 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 2: I mean the guys are going to do well around here, 146 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 2: and like you can see, you know, Taylor shot ten 147 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: under yesterday. I mean probably didn't see ten under out there, 148 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 2: but you can see six seven eight. But equally, it's 149 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 2: not hard to shoot over path. So I think it's 150 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: a great test, and I think it's great because it's 151 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 2: not what they play every week. 152 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: It's so special Cam Smith. I just can't say enough 153 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 1: about Cam as a person, but as a golfer, I mean, 154 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: he's unbelievable. Talk me through the story. I mean, how 155 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 1: long have you been working? When did you first meet Cam? So? 156 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 2: I first met Cam when he was ten. So I 157 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 2: was coaching a junior squad up on the Sunshine Coast. 158 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: So his golf club was in our region, and he 159 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 2: came to this clinic as a as a ten year old, 160 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 2: and they split up the group so there was three coaches, 161 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 2: three players per coach. He was put in my group, 162 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: thankfully as it turns out now, but yeah, he was 163 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 2: put into my group. And then so we did the 164 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: clinic and you know, actually even at ten, you know, 165 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 2: he was a cheeky little thing, and you know, I 166 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: had a great relationship. And then the next year his 167 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 2: dad sort of said to me I think it's time 168 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 2: for him to have, you know, coaching. He really likes you, 169 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 2: you know, you interested in coaching, and yeah, I was 170 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 2: like yeah, sure, you know, like not thinking, you know, 171 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 2: nineteen years later we're going to be where we are now. 172 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 2: But and then the next year he came back into 173 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 2: that squad and same thing. You know, he just kept 174 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: progressing and then you know he's you know, obviously at 175 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 2: ten or eleveny he showed promise. 176 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: But both what did you see because we all see 177 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: these kids, right, I mean I work with we both 178 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: do the same thing you work with juniors and stuff. 179 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: It's like last year I met Tom Kim for the 180 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: first time in Saudi Arabia, who's gone on to do 181 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: great things. He played with DJ for the first two 182 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: rounds in Saudi Arabia. I kind of watched the way 183 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: he handled himself. Obviously he's not eleven or twelve. But 184 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: I immediately called Trevor, a woman who I've had on 185 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: my podcast before. I called Trevor and I said, listen, 186 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: you've got to look at this guy for a president's stuf. 187 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: And he's like, what are you talking about? I was like, 188 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: this kid has something. What did you see in cam 189 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: at a young age. That were some of the qualities 190 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: that you think helped him get to the stage and 191 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: the place that he is in his career now. 192 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean as a as a like ten 193 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 2: or eleven year old, I wouldn't say that I was thinking 194 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 2: that this kid's going to be a superstar. I thought, 195 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: you know, one thing he did have was he was 196 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 2: his competitiveness. You know, like we would have chipping comps 197 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 2: and putting comps and even at that age, but he 198 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 2: hated to lose and very rarely did he lose against 199 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: much older kids. Right. But it wasn't until he was about, 200 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 2: I reckon fourteen or fifteen where I really started to think, 201 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 2: this kid's going to be, you know, really good. Right. 202 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 2: He started to compete in some you know, some amateur 203 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:44,839 Speaker 2: men's events, and remember him shooting twenty nine around the 204 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 2: back nine at Pacific Harbor in the Queens LD Amateur, 205 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: which was at the time one of his biggest events 206 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 2: that he played, and he shot sixty six to the 207 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 2: first round as a fifteen ro ollder. And Pacific Harbor 208 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: is a really tough course, blows a lot, tricky little thing, 209 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 2: you know, And I went Okay, this is you know, 210 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 2: not many kids have got that right, and you know, 211 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 2: as we as he's progressed, you know, one of the 212 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 2: things I think that help can is that he didn't 213 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 2: have that length or he didn't have you know, so 214 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 2: he had to develop so many other skills. And you know, 215 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 2: obviously a lot's made of his short game and he's 216 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 2: he's putting, but I think his competitiveness and he's drived 217 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: to just you know, not let him beat you, and 218 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: the mindset behind that, you know, like one of the 219 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 2: things Cam always does really well, he's he's never had 220 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 2: a handbrake, you know, and he's whenever he's gone low, 221 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 2: from a very early age, he just never stopped. Remember 222 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 2: once he shot twenty four under in a Greg Norman 223 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 2: Junior Masters, so as a tournament we have down here, 224 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 2: and you know, so he was leading. He's about sixteen 225 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 2: or seventeen at this time. 226 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: Before under when you're sixteen years old, I don't care 227 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:48,840 Speaker 1: where you're playing. I don't care if it's a pitching 228 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: part and it's there's easy golf courses. It was low scores. 229 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: Especially if you can shoot low scores grant at a 230 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: young age, that's a huge choosing because not a lot 231 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: of players know how to shoot low score no, And 232 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: we always you know, we we have parents, we have players, 233 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: and I'm sure sure you get this. Hey, what are 234 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: the great players do when you know they get a 235 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: good round going? And you see these kids, right, hey, 236 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: you were six under through like thirteen holes and then 237 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: you ended up finishing three under. What happened? And they're like, well, 238 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 1: I just started to protect and they said, what do 239 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: the good players do if a good if one of 240 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: the best players in the world gets to six under, 241 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: he's trying to get to seven under, it's trying to 242 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: get to eight under. He's trying to get to nine under. 243 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 2: Well, and that was the thing with that event, right, 244 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 2: So through three rounds he was sixteen under okay, and no, 245 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 2: fifteen under and he rings me and I said, how'd 246 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 2: you go? And he goes, yeah, pretty good, And I 247 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 2: said would you shoot today? He goes nine and I 248 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 2: went nine under and he goes yeah. So like he's 249 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,679 Speaker 2: leading and then he finishes by shooting nine under to 250 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 2: finish twenty four under for the event. And I'm just like, 251 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 2: you know, and I think MeV and Cliff, you know 252 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 2: who's played in Europe and you know, you got to 253 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: like maybe sixteen or seventeen, and the next behind them 254 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 2: was like three, Like they streeted the field like even 255 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 2: back then, you know, like it was just you know, 256 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: really uncommon to shoot that low at that event. And 257 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 2: you know, they're the sort of things that he was 258 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: doing early on, and then you know, he's one of 259 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 2: the things I think is the best things that Cam's 260 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 2: done is is continue to get better, you know, every year, 261 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 2: And that's you know, that's one. 262 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: Of the mantras that I always see two players. If 263 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: you can just every year get get better, whether it's 264 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: one percent, everybody thinks, Okay, I've got to get one 265 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: hundred percent better this year. I've got to get twenty. 266 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: You just need to get You just can't have a 267 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: year where you go backwards if you want to keep 268 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: going in a trajectory that's going to get you to 269 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: where you want to be. 270 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, And sometimes getting better is actually doing the same 271 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 2: thing more often, you know what I mean? Like you 272 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like I think sometimes I kind 273 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 2: of look at it when I work with a player, 274 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 2: I'll go, Okay, is what you're doing currently good enough 275 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 2: for you to do what you want to do right. 276 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 2: And if the answer is no, is it a work 277 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 2: in progress? Right, So we're on the right path. We 278 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 2: just need to stay the course or b will it 279 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 2: never be right? So if the answers it will never 280 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 2: be then something needs to change. Right. But if the 281 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 2: answer is we're on our trajectory that we're on, we've 282 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 2: just got to get better at it, you know, and 283 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 2: whether it be a technical thing, whether it be you know, 284 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 2: just getting more comfortable being out on tour. You know, 285 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 2: like I look at Jed at the moment. I think 286 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 2: you and I've talked about these jet's got a really 287 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 2: really big upside and he's got a big set of tools. 288 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 2: He's just got to get more comfortable being where he is. 289 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 2: And you know that takes time, you know, And I 290 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 2: think so he's on the right trajectory. We're not looking 291 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 2: to change things. We're just looking to get better at him. 292 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: Jed Morgan's a guy that's on Cam's ripper team. Was 293 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: there a discussion Cam took. I mean, there's two routes, right, 294 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 1: but you can go, especially if you're from oz and 295 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: you know those roads are well traveled, you know. The 296 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: modern generation Adam Scott even though he went and Scotty 297 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 1: played one year in college golf, made the decision to 298 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: go play college golf in America, even though he played 299 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: one year at un LB, he took that route. Was 300 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 1: there ever a discussion with cam did you guys did 301 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 1: he look at playing college golf in the States? 302 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 2: Not really? Yeah, he's not smart enough to go to college. No, no, no, 303 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 2: that's not true. I guess one of the things with Australia, 304 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 2: so back when Scotty was going through, there wasn't really 305 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 2: the support of the programs for him to follow, whereas now, 306 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 2: you know in golf in Australia we have you know, 307 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: in Queensland we have the queens and Academy of Sport program, 308 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 2: we have a Victorian program. In New South Wales has 309 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 2: got a program so and they're all Golf Australia programs. 310 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 2: So and then once players go through those programs, we 311 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 2: also have a rookie squad okay, and the rookie squad 312 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 2: is the young pro So we have a private investor 313 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: who you know, funds you know a lot of the 314 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 2: young kids when they go out and tour, so there's 315 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: money for those kids to then you know, in those 316 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 2: first sort of three four five years their young pro life, 317 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 2: I guess you could say, to help support them. So 318 00:14:59,240 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 2: we actually have the pathway which a lot of them 319 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 2: can follow. So my sort of take on it is, 320 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 2: if you've got a young guy that wants to go 321 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 2: to college and wants to get a degree, and wants 322 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 2: a life experience and all those things, it's a great 323 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 2: opportunity to go to university in the States. But for 324 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 2: the guy who just wants to be a golfer, I 325 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 2: think we can take part, you know, take care of 326 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 2: that early part of that next level of development. And 327 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: I think that's one of the things sometimes I think, 328 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 2: you know, a lot of the good colleges have it, 329 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 2: but some of the other ones there's not really that 330 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 2: development piece for when they go over there. And whereas 331 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 2: I think that age between sort of eighteen and that 332 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 2: twenty two to twenty three, there's still got to get 333 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 2: a lot better before they're ready to go out on tour. 334 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: So Tiger, when my dad worked with Tigers at Stanford, 335 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: he played at Stanford for a number of years, and 336 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: then they got to a point where you know, my 337 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: dad was looking at his game and Tiger had really 338 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: wanted to turn pro and my dad kept saying no, no, 339 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: So there was that moment where Tetob said to my dad, 340 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: what do you think and my dad said, yeah, you're 341 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: ready to go now. 342 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 343 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: When was the moment when you said to Camp all right, 344 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: you aren't aw ready to turn pro and make a 345 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: career of this and give this a real chance and 346 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: see how far you can go. 347 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, So he turned pro at twenty. So Cam like 348 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 2: got into a lot of say Aussie Tour, you know, 349 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 2: professional events from about the age of seventeen. 350 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: And the scary thing is that's back when there actually 351 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: was a tour down here. 352 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 353 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: Well the fact that there's no tour to play. 354 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 2: Well now there is, but it's not really you know what, Yeah, 355 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: exactly right, you know. And so Cam had sort of 356 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 2: finished fourth in the Queensland PGA, had finished tenth in 357 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 2: an Australian Open. It'd had some really good, you know 358 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 2: results in bigger events. And for me, you know a 359 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 2: lot of people say, why isn't he turned pro yet? 360 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 2: And it's like, because he's not ready, you know, but 361 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 2: he wasn't ready for the level that we wanted him 362 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 2: to be. You know, he could have played golf in 363 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 2: Australia and he would have made money and he probably 364 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 2: could have gone to Asia or whatever. But we just 365 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 2: thought that little bit of extra development was going to 366 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 2: pay off in the long run. And you know, looks 367 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: like we sort of made the right choice. 368 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: I think I had Truman Thah who was the commissioner 369 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: of the Asian Tour. The road that Cam went is 370 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: not the road that a lot of people that win majors. 371 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: He didn't go play the corn Ferry Tour. He didn't 372 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: go play the PGA Tour. He started not a lot 373 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: of people know this. He started down in Alls and 374 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: then he went and played kind of in the Asia 375 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: Pacific region from a professional level, played Asian Tour. Did 376 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: he go. 377 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 2: Playing Well, there's a there's a story to that, all right, right, 378 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:28,199 Speaker 2: So basically Kim went to corn Ferry or at the time, 379 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 2: he went right and knew that and missed his tee 380 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 2: off time. So you know, for Kim, say, what happened 381 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 2: was when he was leaving, We're like, you haven't got 382 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 2: a lot of time to prevent him, and he goes, no, 383 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 2: I'll be fine, Like you know, I've been to the 384 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 2: Woodlands at plenty of times. We have a Golf Australia 385 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 2: camp there, or we did have a Golf Australia camp there, 386 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 2: played there heaps of times. I'll be fine. I'm like, okay, 387 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 2: no worries. So anyway, he gets over there and you know, 388 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 2: gets to go and have his practice around on the 389 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 2: Tuesday and he goes over to the tea and says, 390 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 2: oh am, I right to go out and play and 391 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 2: they said, oh sorry, who ay and he said, oh 392 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 2: Kerin Smith. They said, you've missed your te off time 393 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 2: and he went sorry. He thought the tournament started on 394 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:13,479 Speaker 2: the Thursday, like every tournament known a man, and the 395 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 2: actual tea off was on the Tuesday, and he'd missed 396 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 2: his time. So that day I'm looking scrolling through the 397 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: list and I couldn't find him. I went back up, 398 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 2: couldn't find him, and then I went down to the 399 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 2: bottom and it had disqualified. Next minute, the phone rings 400 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 2: and Cameron's on the phone and you know, obviously upset 401 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 2: and you know, like he's just flown all the way 402 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 2: over there, and you know, anyway, so at that moment, 403 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: I said, all right, we go to Aussie to a school, 404 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 2: we get a card there, we go to Asia and 405 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 2: I said we'll work on backdoring ourselves onto a tour. 406 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 2: And you know, I didn't think it'd be as quickly 407 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 2: as it was, because what happened was he got his 408 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 2: asient too. We got both cards, and then got his 409 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 2: agent to a card for his second in his second 410 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 2: Agent Tour event, and then had like I think maybe 411 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 2: six or seven top tens, and then got into the 412 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 2: Cooming Classic, which used to be in my life, and 413 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 2: ran fifth in that event, which got him as start 414 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 2: the next week, and then he got some sponsors invites 415 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 2: and basically so look, he ended up on the US 416 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 2: two a way quicker than he would have if he 417 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 2: actually went through web dot com and had to go 418 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:14,719 Speaker 2: down that path. So you know, at the time, you know, 419 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 2: it felt like we'd missed an opportunity, but you know, 420 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 2: by sort of rerouting and taking another opportunity, ended up 421 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: there probably, like I said, quicker than he would have. 422 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: Do you think, I mean, going through that experience, A 423 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 1: lot of players don't come back from that, right. I mean, 424 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,479 Speaker 1: you're young, you're from Australia. I mean, you're in the States, 425 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 1: trying to go to web dot com Q school. You 426 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: miss your tea time by your own yeah, yes, state, 427 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: and that could be a huge setback. Knowing Cam and 428 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: being around him and kind of watching him, you can 429 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: tell that his personality lends itself to him just going 430 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: I'll shake that off. Yeah, made the mistake and I'll 431 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: just move forward. 432 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 2: Well, I think one of the biggest things we will 433 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 2: really quick to set a new path, you know. I mean, 434 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: like we didn't let that define us. It was like, okay, 435 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 2: sooner we could go right, this is now a new 436 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,479 Speaker 2: direction and we'll get there another way, you know. And 437 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 2: that's the sort of the way we went about it. 438 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 2: And you know, like you said, you've got to have the 439 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: right sort of attitude in which he has and yeah, 440 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 2: I mean, like everybody, I mean, there's plenty of knocks 441 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 2: out onto it. You know. Look, it doesn't always go away, 442 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 2: and he handles them just a bit as good as anybody. 443 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: One of the things I love about Cam is he's 444 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: a little bit of kind of an I think he's 445 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: kind of an old school throwback. The golf swing certainly 446 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,439 Speaker 1: isn't anything like what we see the modern golf swings 447 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: look like now. He's not blessed with the size of 448 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: guys like Adam Scott and you know, the big tall 449 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: guys that had him, you know, these beautiful everything. So 450 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: he's a little bit kind of all. My dad loves 451 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: camp Smith because he's like I loved he's a little 452 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: bit across the line the face and stuff. That golf swing. 453 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: Did he have that golf swing from the start, did 454 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: it evolve? Was it taught to him? And has there 455 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: ever been a want or a thought to try and 456 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: change it to make It's not that it's not orthodox 457 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: because there's so many people. You know, in the eighties 458 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 1: and nineties it swung like that, but the modern golfers 459 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: now the club tends to point way more to the left. 460 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: It's way more. You see more guys now laid off, yeah, 461 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: and flat and their arms. Then you do see kind 462 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,400 Speaker 1: of that a little bit across the line that Cam has. 463 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. Look, he didn't actually have most of 464 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 2: that growing up. And if you watch, like with this 465 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 2: shorter stuff, it's pretty neutral and fair online. Right. So 466 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 2: it's as the club gets longer, and you know, especially 467 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 2: with sort of driver and through with one of the 468 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 2: things that happens is, you know his arms sort of 469 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 2: overtravel a little bit. That right arm gets a little 470 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 2: bit behind him, and when that happens, he sort of 471 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 2: has to side bend, and because he's a little shut 472 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 2: and it's interesting because there's those arms travel a little 473 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 2: bit longer, club face shuts a little bit more. And 474 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 2: then as soon as he has to side bend with 475 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 2: a shut club face, now he's swinging too far right 476 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 2: with a shut face right. So he's got both. So 477 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 2: when Cam's hitting his fade like, he's a really good 478 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 2: driver of the golf coll So for me, it's like 479 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 2: really important that we hit the right shot. You know. 480 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 2: Like I said, I think one of the things, being 481 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 2: as good as he is is they tend to want 482 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 2: to hit both ways and hit all the shots whereas 483 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 2: and through the bag up until that top end, he's 484 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 2: fine to do that, but once he gets to that 485 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 2: driving through, he really needs to hit that little fade 486 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 2: to match up to what he does. And when he 487 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 2: does that, it's fantastic. It's just you know, look where 488 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 2: we are trying to get, you know, where he's maintaining 489 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,239 Speaker 2: a little bit more with where he's got a bit 490 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 2: better structure of the arms and the body at the top. 491 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 2: But I think, you know, being a small kid early on, 492 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 2: that's where his extra speed felt like it came from. 493 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 2: Is that a little bit longer armswing so again, and 494 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 2: he doesn't necessarily need it. It's just, you know, like 495 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 2: a lot of them, it's hard to get rid of 496 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 2: once you've you know, that's sort of been the pattern. 497 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,959 Speaker 1: I'm sure. I mean, the modern golfer now is playing 498 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: golf more somewhat one dimensionally. There is you know, Brandal 499 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 1: Shamblee beats the drama that you've got to have all 500 00:22:54,400 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: the shots. I've stuckn Andy Ogletree on about this. He 501 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,239 Speaker 1: said that he played with Tiger when he was an 502 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: amateur and it was just amazing that he had all 503 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: the shots. He wanted to hit the right shot at 504 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: the right time. So, but very few players can move 505 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: it both directions. And I hear so many players that 506 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: are struggling to get to that next level and they say, 507 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 1: you know, tell me what type of you know, let 508 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: me talk, tell me what type shot you hit. Yeah, 509 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 1: you know, I like to move it both ways. And 510 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: then you watch them and are not really good at 511 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 1: drawing it, they're not really good at fading it. And 512 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: I think so many players grant spending and norm they're 513 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: trying to play. They're trying to get good at everything, 514 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: but they're not really good at anything. Their average to mediocre. 515 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: And I think Cam is a great example in my opinion, 516 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: if you're going to make it, and you're going to 517 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 1: make it to winning majors and being a superstar, you 518 00:23:54,480 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 1: have to be great and quantifiably great at something and 519 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what it is. You can be a 520 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: great green reader, you can be a great win player, 521 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: but there has to be something that you anchor your 522 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: game too. We all know that Cam to me is 523 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: very much like a Jordan Speith. You watch him pot 524 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: if he's got a fifteen foot you're more surprised if 525 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 1: he misses it than you are. You expect him to 526 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: make it. Was he always a great potter and where 527 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: does it come from for him? 528 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 2: So so I think one of the things, I'll sort 529 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 2: of just backtrack a little bit, but like if you 530 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 2: look last year, Camm, one of the things came doesn't 531 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 2: get enough credit for his design play. You know, he 532 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 2: was I think third in strokes gained approaching the green 533 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 2: last year. We did a sort of analysis, like you know, 534 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 2: from basically two hundred in like he was a long 535 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 2: way ahead of the rest of the field, right, So, yeah, 536 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 2: that he's where Jenny short game. Obviously he's putting, you know, 537 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 2: so our goal is if we can get in the 538 00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 2: fairway just to touch more. Very few, very few eat him. 539 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 2: So but with the putting, you know, look, as a 540 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 2: kid he was who was a good putter. We've always 541 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 2: worked really hard on our basics. So you know, we 542 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 2: use a putting mirror every single day that he warms up, 543 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 2: you know, even you know, when I'm there, you know, 544 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 2: I make sure he's aligned properly, So we're really diligent 545 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 2: with his alignment stuff. And then from there, you know, 546 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 2: he's very neutral with the delivery of the putter, and 547 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,679 Speaker 2: you know it's hard to sort of mess that up 548 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 2: a lot of the times, you know, So we're really 549 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 2: sort of big on our basic structure. And then from 550 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 2: there there's also the creativity and the you know, the 551 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 2: desire to hold part. So I think, again, going back 552 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 2: to that competitiveness that I talked about earlier, you know, 553 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 2: one of the biggest traits I see of the best 554 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 2: players is their ability to hold that eight or ten 555 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 2: foot of the part, you know, and I think there's 556 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 2: definitely a you know, there's an innate skill that they 557 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 2: have to be able to keep momentum and things like that, 558 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 2: and Kem's always had that, you know, And I don't 559 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 2: know what it is. I mean, obviously he's technically very good, 560 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 2: he's you know, he's all those things, but there's this 561 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 2: innate ability to hold puts when they need to. 562 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. And when you watch him putt, it looks it 563 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: looks very natural, and his approach to putting is very natural. 564 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: He doesn't look like someone that is very very mechanical. 565 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: It doesn't look like he does a lot of drills. 566 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting what you said that a lot 567 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: of the technical work is in what happens before he 568 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 1: actually hits the pott. 569 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 570 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: And I think so many people listening to this are 571 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: so over technique centric. Everything is technique, technique, technique, and 572 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: he's doing the majority of his technical work, but he's 573 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: making sure the car is set up. He's getting in 574 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: the car, making sure all the mirrors are in the 575 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: right place, making sure that seat's in the right place 576 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: so he can get comfortable to drive the car. Yeah. 577 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: And how much is cam putting ones? How much do 578 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: you think it's instinct? And how much do you think 579 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: it's his practice and getting better. 580 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 2: I think they both working with each other. I think, 581 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 2: you know, it's it's fine to be creative and have 582 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 2: great instinct, but if you're not set up and aiming 583 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 2: in the right spot makes it really difficult, right, So 584 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 2: I think that you know, he's very diligent with how 585 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 2: he gets into the ball. Like you said, he spends, 586 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 2: when I say, a lot of time, but he's really 587 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 2: diligent with how he aims the face, how he sets 588 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 2: his body, you know, square to the face. You're seeing 589 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 2: pretty his hand on his leg to sort of balance 590 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 2: himself out. Then he just sort of moves his left 591 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 2: hand in and once he sort of said, you know, 592 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 2: the other thing you'll see with his with his eyes 593 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 2: tracing to the hole. He's got the you know, like 594 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 2: all good parts, they have this real slow trace towards 595 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 2: the whole. I'll hold that gaze and then they'll come 596 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 2: back and then he sort of pulls the trigger and 597 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 2: kind of just reacts to it. So I think, you know, 598 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 2: and one of the things for us is, you know, 599 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 2: that hasn't changed for a long long time. So you know, 600 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 2: he just and and this is the same with Cam 601 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 2: the whole way through. He's very good at sticking to 602 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 2: what we know works, you know, regardless of whether it 603 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 2: works all the time, doesn't mean that we don't go 604 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,880 Speaker 2: you know, because we know we've got enough evidence now 605 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 2: the data points that works pretty well. Right. So, and 606 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 2: I think, you know, we talk about sort of his 607 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 2: pieces of the puzzle, you know, what are all the 608 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 2: pieces of his puzzle? Right? There might be this not 609 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 2: the same pieces that Dustin has or Brooks has or whoever, 610 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 2: but they're his pieces, right and how do we sort 611 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 2: of get them operating to the best of our ability 612 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 2: as often as possible. 613 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: Well, I think that's one, to me, one of the 614 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: strengths that Cam has because obviously there are going to 615 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: be tournaments where Cam is playing with players and they're gonna, 616 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: you know, Rory the Bombers, you know, they're going to 617 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: run it past him, right, And it's always been something 618 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: that I think is the strength of his that he 619 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: doesn't really seem to be worried about that and he's 620 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: not chasing speed. He's not it does he never comes 621 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: across as someone that is chasing something that he doesn't have. 622 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: Like you said, he seems to be really really comfortable 623 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: and confident in the toolbox that he has, and he 624 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: has a lot of tools in the toolbox and he says, Okay, 625 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: I don't have that tool, but I have these tools, 626 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: and with these tools, I can make something pretty special. 627 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: Absolutely. You know. I think early on, you know, there 628 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 2: was a little bit that we'd look at guys like 629 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 2: Dustin and Brooks and go, well, when they're on, we 630 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 2: can't compete. But the reality is, like you said, like 631 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 2: Camp's skills set is just different. You know, it's no 632 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 2: better or worse, it's just different. Right, So we've got 633 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 2: really good at knowing what that is. Like I said, 634 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 2: you know, he's one of the best in the world 635 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 2: from two hundred in. You know, when we're hitting the 636 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 2: right shapes off the tea and you know he's making 637 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 2: the right moves off the te you know, he's world 638 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 2: class and you know, hard to be as we saw 639 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 2: last year. So you know, I think it's just getting 640 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 2: really good at knowing what you're you know, what you 641 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 2: bring and if you know that that's good enough, then 642 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 2: staying on track and sticking to you know, your way 643 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 2: of doing things. 644 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: The breakout year last year players champion the Open champion. 645 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: I mean, what an amazing accomplishment. Let's go back to 646 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,959 Speaker 1: the Open Championship. I think every I expected on that 647 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: Sunday for Rory to birdie three out of the first four, 648 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: put the foot down and kind of get that next major. 649 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: It would have been a huge win in the kind 650 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: of live kind of versus the PGA Tour thing. He 651 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,479 Speaker 1: didn't get it done, but I think the way that 652 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: Cam played on that study, what do you remember about that? 653 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 1: And I've always said that when players that I've been 654 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: lucky enough to be around that win major championships, there's 655 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: something different about them that week and I can never 656 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: put my finger on it. You know, we're just removed. 657 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 1: Brooks led the Masters for three rounds. The difference between 658 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,160 Speaker 1: winning the week before in Orlando on live. He was 659 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: different at the Masters, even though he didn't get the 660 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: job done, but he had a legit chance. But there 661 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: was something different and I'm still trying to figure out 662 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: what that was. Was there anything that you saw that 663 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: week that made looking back on it, that you go 664 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: that was just a little bit. 665 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 2: You know, the week before in Scotland, the first two 666 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,239 Speaker 2: rounds played okay early and then sort of on that 667 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 2: second day, the wind got up a lot and he 668 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 2: almost looked like missing the cut and kind of ground 669 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 2: his way in and I think made the cut on 670 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 2: the number or by one, I can't remember it is exactly, 671 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 2: but only just made the cut and then played really, 672 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 2: really nice on the weekend, hit the ball grade, everything 673 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 2: was just you know, ended up running tenth that week 674 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 2: and there was just a different feel going from that weekend, 675 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 2: and it was so important that he made that cut. 676 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 2: I think that it sort of just led him into 677 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 2: you know, those two rounds we got to St. Andrews. 678 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 2: We didn't do much on the Monday, literally walked with 679 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 2: a putter for a few holes and had a chip 680 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 2: and apart. 681 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 1: And they see him do he's again a little bit 682 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: of an old school throwback. You don't see that nowadays, right, 683 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: You don't see you certainly don't see that from young 684 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: kids right now. You know in there you know under 685 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: you know what's camp hold this can down right. So 686 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: he's in late twenties, but you don't see a lot 687 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: of world class superstar players just going around a major 688 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: with Potter. You'll see that sometimes and Djo always says, 689 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: I don't get that, bro He's like, I don't understand 690 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: what guys are doing. So the fact that he's doing 691 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 1: that when he's out there and he's just walking around 692 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: with a potter, it's a major champion. What's the thought 693 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 1: process behind this and what actually is he trying to achieve? 694 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 2: Okay, so first of all, yeah, he's not treating majors 695 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 2: any different to a normal week. You know, I think 696 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 2: a lot of guys going to majors they try and 697 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 2: get there early, like you know, you see. 698 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: It's the one where you can overprepare. 699 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and then guys are there and they've 700 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 2: literally played their tournament before Thursday. Right. So Cam had 701 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 2: a big weekend, you know, he played really nicely. Actually 702 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 2: was feeling a bit off as well, but you know, 703 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 2: just wanted to get a feel like there's almost talk 704 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 2: we weren't going to do anything on Monday, right. So 705 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 2: he's played there a number of times, so he felt 706 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 2: comfortable with that. But he says, look, let's just go 707 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 2: for a walk and we'll take a wedge ind of putter, 708 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 2: and so we just did a little bit for you know, 709 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 2: four or five holes whatever it was, and then only 710 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 2: played nine holes each of the next two days, so 711 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 2: you know, I did a rain session before and a 712 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 2: little bit after both days, and he was in and 713 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 2: out and ready to go. And then yeah, there was 714 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 2: just this sense of calm the whole week, you know, 715 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 2: like what you're talking about about something being different, like 716 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 2: he it was a focused calm though, you know, like 717 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 2: it was. I remember it was funny the so obviously 718 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 2: led after the first two rounds, and then the third 719 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 2: round it played quite nicely but didn't put as well. 720 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 2: He had early and shot one over and walks in 721 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 2: and looks at me and just goes, we're going to 722 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 2: the putting green. And this is like at nine point 723 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 2: thirty at night, you know, you know, it's like over there, 724 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 2: it's starting to get dark. And so we went to 725 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 2: the putting green and it wasn't like it was you know, 726 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 2: we need to fix, you know, but it's just wasn't 727 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 2: quite right. We need to do some work. And you know, 728 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 2: as a coach, it's like, okay, this is your time, right, 729 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 2: you know, it's like so and yeah, yeah, that's right, 730 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 2: you know, And you know, for me it was just 731 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 2: you know, the stroke had got fraction short on its 732 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 2: stroke length and sort of has had to over accelerate 733 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 2: the putter a little bit, and just was about six 734 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 2: inches under his speed all day, you know. So we 735 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 2: just lengthened out the backstroke a touch, you know, got 736 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 2: the putter head sort of crashing into the ball a 737 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 2: little bit more, got the ball rolling a little bit, 738 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 2: and you know, he said to me that night, he goes, 739 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 2: I just need to feel it a little bit more 740 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 2: into the back of the hole, don't I And I said, yep, 741 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 2: perfect right, and then sort of reiterated that the next morning. 742 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 2: It was just like but like I said, it was 743 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,400 Speaker 2: his focus, sort of calm, and you know, because under stress, 744 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 2: you know, most people get shorter, they get shorter and 745 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 2: quicker and obviously don't execute as well. So all we 746 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 2: did was, like I said, lengthen out that backswen a 747 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 2: little bit, got the flow of the putterhead, you know 748 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 2: a little bit better, and you know, you know, the 749 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 2: rest is history, so to speak. 750 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: The up and down that he made on seventeen, in 751 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: my opinion, it's one of the greatest up and downs 752 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: in major championship history. I know you were out there 753 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 1: walking around, talk me through what you're thinking in that 754 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: moment as he's about to have to try and Okay, 755 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 1: he's got to You're like, okay, he's got to get 756 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: this thing up and down yep to have it. What 757 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: what are you thinking as a coach, because I've been 758 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 1: in that situation before, you know, where a player is 759 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: trying to win a major championship and I mean, I'm 760 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,319 Speaker 1: struggling to breathe. I don't know why always say I 761 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: have no idea how these guys do it, because the 762 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: stress that I feel just watching for them to be 763 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: able to camp. So what do you think in there? 764 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: Are you thinking he's going to get this up and now? 765 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 2: So I'll give you a bit of that. So we 766 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 2: walked my son and I walked the front, well, the 767 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 2: first ten holes right so you know those have been 768 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 2: to Saint Andrews. There's a little loop down there towards 769 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 2: the bottom end, and like it was just nuts, you know, 770 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 2: And and Cam didn't Birdie nine, which was you know, 771 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 2: one of your Birdie chants. I've been at that stage, 772 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 2: you know you have to do and he was he 773 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 2: was kind of still behind then and then when he 774 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 2: didn't bertie that, it was like, oh, you know, I 775 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 2: hope that's not our chance. Sort of lost and anyway, 776 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 2: Bertie's ten, and I looked at my son and I said, 777 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 2: what do you reckon? We do? Do we try and 778 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 2: fight the crowds? What do we go back to the 779 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 2: you know, the play of dining and watch it there. 780 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 2: And as you know, that's about a three kilometer walk 781 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 2: back to back to get there. So anyway, so him 782 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 2: and I run back basically and by the time we 783 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,160 Speaker 2: get there birty to eleven, and he has had a 784 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 2: little short one on twelve, which is a birdie chance 785 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,320 Speaker 2: and makes bertie on twelve. And then Rory doesn't birdie twelve, 786 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 2: and then he birdie's thirteen on the back of that, 787 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 2: which again is not another real birdie hole. And then 788 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 2: when he birdied fourteen the par five, I looked at 789 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 2: our sports side and I'm like, shit's get real here, 790 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 2: Like you know this is this is actually always that. 791 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,520 Speaker 1: Moment where, unless they're leading, right when you work with 792 00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,760 Speaker 1: the player and they're chasing, there's that moment to where 793 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: as a coach you have that kind of you look 794 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: and you start doing the math and you look at 795 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 1: the holes that they've played. Maybe the leader didn't take 796 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,880 Speaker 1: advantage of it, and then all of a sudden you're like, okay, 797 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: well we now have a he's got a legit chance 798 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 1: with five holes left to win a Claire. 799 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 2: Jock exactly right then chance. So then on sixteen, you know, 800 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 2: some of the officials come and got our team and 801 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 2: took us up behind the eighteenth green, you know, just 802 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 2: obviously in case case he wins, and so we're sort 803 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 2: of standing up there. So we're watching the put on 804 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 2: seventeen from the back of the eighteen, which you can see, 805 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 2: you yeah, know what's going on. You can see him, 806 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 2: but you can't see the whole right, So obviously he 807 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,280 Speaker 2: hits the part and the next minute of the crowd 808 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 2: sort of goes nuts, and you know, obviously it went 809 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 2: in and then we are looking at each other going okay, 810 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 2: this is really and then you know, hit a great 811 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 2: drive up aideen you know, to hit it where he 812 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 2: did and you know, to tupart from there like I mean, 813 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:20,880 Speaker 2: you know, would have been really easy for him to 814 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 2: you know, hit something a bit shorten down the left 815 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 2: and try and pitch it up and down, and but 816 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 2: to hit the driver and to have the you know, 817 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 2: the balls to basically you know, keep trying to make 818 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 2: birdies you know when it cams things when he's in 819 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 2: that moment, is he's just trying to keep making berties 820 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 2: and if somebody's good enough to catch him, great, But 821 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 2: he's you know, like we said earlier, he's trying to 822 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 2: move forward, right So and then obviously, you know, I 823 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 2: think that part that he actually hit on eighteen was 824 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,319 Speaker 2: just as good as the one on seventeen, you know, 825 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 2: to put it up there to a couple of feet 826 00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,919 Speaker 2: and you know, like you said, I'm standing there thinking 827 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 2: I couldn't even hold it, you know, let alone you know, 828 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 2: knock that in. So probably why he's the one doing 829 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,840 Speaker 2: and you and I are standing here talking on a podcast, 830 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,240 Speaker 2: right so, I think, you know, it was an amazing feeling. 831 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,440 Speaker 2: And then obviously watching Rory come down the last and 832 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 2: you know, would have had to hold a webshot and 833 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 2: obviously didn't, and you know, just to look around and think, 834 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 2: you know, for me, it was such a surreal moment, 835 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 2: like I'm standing on the back of the eighteenth green 836 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 2: at St. Andrew's, you know, looking down as the crowd's 837 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 2: coming up the fairway. You know, obviously you know it 838 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,440 Speaker 2: didn't work out for Rory, but you know, the player 839 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 2: that I've coached since the age of ten, you know, 840 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 2: is winning one hundred and fiftieth Open at St. Andrew, 841 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 2: like shot thirty the back nine, Like he literally couldn't 842 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 2: have written a better script. And you know, just had 843 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 2: that moment where I'm just looking around thinking, if this 844 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 2: is it for me, I'm good, you know, like I said, 845 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 2: I hope he wins more. But if this is all 846 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 2: it is, I can retire pretty happy on this one. 847 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 1: He seems to be one of those players that gets 848 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,640 Speaker 1: to Augusta National. We just came from there, you know, 849 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,759 Speaker 1: didn't probably play the way he wanted to this year, 850 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,319 Speaker 1: but he has a comfort level at Augusta. What do 851 00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,879 Speaker 1: you think it is about Augusta that Cam likes because 852 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:56,359 Speaker 1: you wouldn't obviously the putting is a huge asset on there. 853 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 1: But he was never a player that everybody went I 854 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: was games made for Augusta's name Guss and then all 855 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: of a sudden, here's a couple of years where we're 856 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,879 Speaker 1: like for a gust Yeah. 857 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,839 Speaker 2: I think you know again, those big players they relish, 858 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 2: you know that situation. I remember he played with Dustin 859 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 2: so twenty eighteen, I think, and you know, they sort 860 00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,720 Speaker 2: of went around the front nine just sort of lumbering 861 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 2: a little bit, and Dustin was the number one player 862 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 2: in the world at the time, and I remember, you know, 863 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 2: them talking at Pinner talking about afterwards. He turned around 864 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 2: to us and said, let's get moving, like you know, 865 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 2: here he is, you know, still at that time, probably 866 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,240 Speaker 2: relatively not unknown, but you know, to you know, unless 867 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:33,720 Speaker 2: you're a goal for you didn't know who came. Swift 868 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 2: was right, and you know he's telling the world number one, 869 00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 2: let's get moving, like, let's give this a shake, and 870 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 2: he shoots thirty the back nine ends up running fifth. 871 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,240 Speaker 2: You had a part for twenty nine on the last, 872 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 2: you know, like just when he gets in that moment. 873 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,720 Speaker 2: And so so that's one thing. The second thing that's 874 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,560 Speaker 2: massive for Cam is I think the creativity that Augusta asks, 875 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 2: you know, it just really engages him and like, you know, 876 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,319 Speaker 2: he loves seeing where he's got to land and how 877 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,680 Speaker 2: it's going to feed that, and especially his short game. 878 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 2: You know, I think his control over his flight and 879 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 2: his spin and I might be biased, but is as 880 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 2: good as anybody I've ever seen. And I think around there, 881 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 2: if you do that, well, you know, you can control 882 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,880 Speaker 2: the ball, right. The guys that don't you know, you 883 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 2: get shown up pretty quickly, so I think, you know, 884 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 2: the creativity obviously, the putting on those greens is you know, 885 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 2: is very difficult, but you know, also his stuff around 886 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,759 Speaker 2: the greens is really really important as well, So you know, 887 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 2: I think that's you know, all those things is one 888 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,880 Speaker 2: of the reasons why he's you know, he's sort of 889 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 2: built for that place. 890 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: Well, given the type of player he is, in the 891 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 1: type of game he has. It's going to sound weird, 892 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:43,359 Speaker 1: but I think Augusta allows Cam to play golf, which 893 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,800 Speaker 1: I think is a huge strength of this because you 894 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,400 Speaker 1: have to play the game. There is an ort to 895 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 1: playing golf, absolutely, and I think everybody wants to be 896 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:58,120 Speaker 1: a tactician. I think Cam around us allows him to 897 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: somewhat be an artist and kind of shape his way 898 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 1: around that golf course and visually, I would imagine he 899 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: likes that because that's the way he sees golf, regardless 900 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 1: of whether he's out Augusta or not. 901 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and it does. It engages him. And you know, 902 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,120 Speaker 2: so the more you know, like any player, the more 903 00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 2: focused thing they are and what they're doing, the better 904 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,240 Speaker 2: they're going to be But like you said, for Somewhere, 905 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,719 Speaker 2: like Cammy, he wants to be creative. He wants to 906 00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,279 Speaker 2: hit different. You know. It's like he short game, the 907 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 2: amount of times I'll see him at a shot, and 908 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 2: I like, even nowadays, I'm like, I didn't see that, 909 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,320 Speaker 2: you know, Like, I mean, I've been around him forever 910 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 2: and I know what he sees most of the time. 911 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 2: But sometimes I'm like, man, you know that's next level, right. 912 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:42,279 Speaker 2: I had a guy over, Michael Nephews from Gears, you know, 913 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,719 Speaker 2: and he Michael was here this week, and you know, 914 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 2: he got to watch and he said, I knew it 915 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,399 Speaker 2: was good because I'd seen it on TV, and he goes, 916 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 2: but watching in the flesh, he goes, my god, that 917 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 2: is something else. He goes like, just the quality of 918 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,240 Speaker 2: the strike, the way he controls his spin, all those things, 919 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 2: and I think that's that creativity that comes to the 920 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 2: full ran Somewhere Local Gusta. 921 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,000 Speaker 1: Obviously, cam was one of the guys that made the 922 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,200 Speaker 1: decision to go to Live. I'm sure that was a 923 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 1: huge decision. I mean, I got three players currently playing 924 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,919 Speaker 1: on Live. But it was a massive decision for dj 925 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:23,279 Speaker 1: DJ after he won the Masters the COVID Masters. He 926 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 1: didn't play good for two years, and I think he 927 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: would admit and has kind of admitted. But those of 928 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 1: us on his team knew that decision on should I 929 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 1: go to Live, should I not go to live? It 930 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 1: weighed on him for two years and it massively affected 931 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 1: his golf once he made the decision. Obviously, the way 932 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,439 Speaker 1: DJ played on Live last year, I think he freed 933 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,799 Speaker 1: up and the decision that Cam made a lot of 934 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,399 Speaker 1: people scratched their heads. Why do you think he did it? 935 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,960 Speaker 1: And what conversations did you have with him? And what 936 00:42:56,239 --> 00:43:00,799 Speaker 1: role that what I mean, did you say, Hey, these 937 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,080 Speaker 1: are the pros, the cons, this is what I think 938 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 1: you should do. This is what top us through that 939 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:06,840 Speaker 1: whole decision. 940 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 2: So I think, you know, he spoke to a number 941 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,759 Speaker 2: of people about it. I think, you know, let's not 942 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,880 Speaker 2: trugcate the fact that the money was a big driver 943 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,759 Speaker 2: for all of them, right, But besides that, you know, 944 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,400 Speaker 2: for Cam, I think the team atmosphere, you know. I remember, 945 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,719 Speaker 2: like when Cam was coming through as an amateur, you know, 946 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 2: so we play a lot of inner state golf here 947 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 2: in Australia. So and I remember once he got invited 948 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,759 Speaker 2: to there's a junior event, the top fifty juniors play 949 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 2: Sage Valley. 950 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,359 Speaker 1: Yep, Sage Valuer Junior inportation, great tournament. 951 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 2: Top fifty j Yeah, like great opportunity, right, Cam chose 952 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,719 Speaker 2: to play the Junior Interstate Series at Cabra Matta Golf Club. 953 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:50,080 Speaker 2: Now not knocking cabrat you know, but it's not Sage Valley, right, And. 954 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: Every junior in the world's trying to play in Siege. 955 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 2: Exactly right, and if you can qualify, Yeah, And he 956 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,439 Speaker 2: chose to play as the captain of that junior team 957 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,880 Speaker 2: for his state, right. And I think that team mentality 958 00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,439 Speaker 2: is something like you know, if you have a little 959 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,480 Speaker 2: Presidence Cup, you know, World Cup with Mark, you know, 960 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:08,920 Speaker 2: like he loves that stuff, right. So I think the 961 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,760 Speaker 2: team atmosphere was a big thing. I think the schedule 962 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,160 Speaker 2: to be able to be home more was a big 963 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:19,320 Speaker 2: thing as well. And then you know the team ownership, 964 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:20,880 Speaker 2: you know, to be a part of something new and 965 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,360 Speaker 2: exciting that you know, like is a bit of a gamble, 966 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,480 Speaker 2: no question. But you know, I think if you look 967 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,600 Speaker 2: at what does this look like in ten years time, 968 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,920 Speaker 2: you know that that franchise model that you know, that 969 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 2: f one sort of model. I think, you know, you're 970 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 2: going on Okay, I think this is going to be 971 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 2: amazing and I want to be a part of it. 972 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,280 Speaker 2: So there's there's a heap of pieces to that puzzle 973 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,840 Speaker 2: that made it, you know, the decision. You know, I 974 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,279 Speaker 2: think I get from a PJA and an American point 975 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 2: of view, that's a much harder decision than an Aussies. 976 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 2: You know, it really is, because you know, we you know, 977 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,799 Speaker 2: you talked about the tool. We used to have a 978 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 2: tour here and unfortunately the back end of that used 979 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 2: to be when all the players from America came. 980 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,040 Speaker 1: It was always November December, yep. So we used to 981 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,440 Speaker 1: have weather down here. The US guys could come if 982 00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:08,000 Speaker 1: they wanted to. 983 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,640 Speaker 2: Yes, so, and then once the US sort of lengthened 984 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,319 Speaker 2: their schedule, that stopped all their guys coming home. So 985 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,319 Speaker 2: I think, you know, and that's why I think it's 986 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,840 Speaker 2: been so well received here, because we've just been starved 987 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 2: of that golf that we used to get on a 988 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 2: regular basis. So I think there was a number of 989 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 2: things that I said that that made that decision for him. 990 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,800 Speaker 2: And look, you know now they couldn't be happier. 991 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think if you look at the set, 992 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,879 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people that are critical of Live. 993 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,000 Speaker 1: I would say, in my opinion, maybe it'll change after 994 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 1: the Masters, But pre Masters, the majority of the people 995 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,720 Speaker 1: that were anti Live have never come to a tournament. 996 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,240 Speaker 1: They've never been a part of the Live ecosystem as 997 00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,719 Speaker 1: the players that you and I work with are. And 998 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,160 Speaker 1: we've all been a part of the PGA to our 999 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 1: ecosystem for a number you know, I've been working with 1000 00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,160 Speaker 1: players on the PGA tour for twenty years. We know 1001 00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,279 Speaker 1: what that ecosystem's like, we know what that feels like. 1002 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,839 Speaker 1: And I think the interesting thing is I tell people 1003 00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,200 Speaker 1: all the time that you know, the Live the strength 1004 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:14,920 Speaker 1: for a lot of the guys on Live is that 1005 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,040 Speaker 1: I don't think people that aren't a part of the 1006 00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:22,000 Speaker 1: the ecosystem don't understand the team concept. They think, oh yeah, 1007 00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,160 Speaker 1: everybody showed up at Augusta and they had to. You know, 1008 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,320 Speaker 1: the amount of questions Cam got in the press conference 1009 00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 1: at Augusta about the fact that he was wearing team logos. 1010 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, every player that comes to Augusta National is 1011 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,799 Speaker 1: wearing a logo of something, whether they're on a Live team, 1012 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:43,040 Speaker 1: or it's a corporate team that's paying them a clothing 1013 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:47,439 Speaker 1: team effectively that is paying them a manufacturer. Everybody has 1014 00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:51,360 Speaker 1: that the team thing is huge. Do you think that 1015 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,920 Speaker 1: Cam also looked at I've got an opportunity to play 1016 00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:01,239 Speaker 1: with good friends and people that I really really like 1017 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,160 Speaker 1: and want to be around all the time, and it 1018 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,400 Speaker 1: just makes my job. Well, I think it's been crazy 1019 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,719 Speaker 1: when I say to people, everybody looks like they're having 1020 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,759 Speaker 1: fun out on people? Are it? Guys look like you're 1021 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,200 Speaker 1: having a lot of fun out there? I'm like, yeah, 1022 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:14,960 Speaker 1: and what's wrong with that? 1023 00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:15,319 Speaker 2: Yeah? 1024 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:20,480 Speaker 1: Like every sport, every team sport there has a player 1025 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:22,480 Speaker 1: that will say, listen, I want to go to that 1026 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,200 Speaker 1: team because I grew up with guys on that team 1027 00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,239 Speaker 1: and I want to play for that team because that's 1028 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:30,360 Speaker 1: where my boys are. And I just don't understand why golf. 1029 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,360 Speaker 1: Everybody wants golf to not be like that. 1030 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:33,920 Speaker 2: But I think there's a lot of things in that. 1031 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,280 Speaker 2: I think, you know, like you talk about the fun aspect, 1032 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,840 Speaker 2: like you know you're going to work for a long time, right, Like, 1033 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,680 Speaker 2: why shouldn't it be fun? You know? And it doesn't 1034 00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,439 Speaker 2: mean that the guys are not trying their bums off, 1035 00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,799 Speaker 2: you know, like I think people sort of think that 1036 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,360 Speaker 2: if you're having fun, then you can't be being serious 1037 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,480 Speaker 2: about your job. Those guys, I mean, for me, are 1038 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,160 Speaker 2: working probably harder than they did when they're at on 1039 00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,480 Speaker 2: the PGA tour, right. And again for me, it's not 1040 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,160 Speaker 2: even about the versus PGA tour. The e vect is 1041 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,640 Speaker 2: like you said, Cam gets to spend and you know 1042 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,480 Speaker 2: most of his traveling year with good mates, right, They're 1043 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,480 Speaker 2: all playing for a common goal. They get, you know, 1044 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,640 Speaker 2: like I said that, like you got like Jed, like 1045 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,959 Speaker 2: he said, he gets to help bring Jed through onto tour. 1046 00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:17,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Cam has an unique opportunity as a 1047 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,279 Speaker 1: twenty nine year old to take a kid like Jed 1048 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,359 Speaker 1: Morgan and be a mentor to him. You know, you're 1049 00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,520 Speaker 1: trying to mentor kids. And we're not in our thirties, right, 1050 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,360 Speaker 1: We're not in our early twenties. Right. You have an opportunity, 1051 00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,840 Speaker 1: as a twenty nine year old, as a major champion, 1052 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,360 Speaker 1: as a players champion, to say to a young you 1053 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,919 Speaker 1: know Australian players, hey, come on my team, yeah right, 1054 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:39,600 Speaker 1: and I'll show you how to do. 1055 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,760 Speaker 2: This exactly right, you know, and that's that's so unique. 1056 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,120 Speaker 2: Like yeah, you look at it like Mark and Matter 1057 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,160 Speaker 2: a little bit older than Cam and they've been out 1058 00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,400 Speaker 2: on tour and you know, like I mean, asaid have 1059 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,160 Speaker 2: got great relationships and especially Mark and Cam you know, 1060 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:58,920 Speaker 2: pre the live stuff, you know, they were great mates. 1061 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,279 Speaker 2: You know, so why not go? You know, like why 1062 00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,439 Speaker 2: not do it? And again I think it's about part 1063 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,120 Speaker 2: you know, whilst, like a lot of things, at the start, 1064 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,759 Speaker 2: people will want to find reasons why not to you know, 1065 00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,719 Speaker 2: I think the longer this is going on, you know, 1066 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 2: people just want to be involved. And if you look 1067 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,520 Speaker 2: at like this week, you know, the amount of Ripper 1068 00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,720 Speaker 2: GC hats that are walking around, like I think it's amazing, 1069 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,560 Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, that's what you know, like 1070 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,440 Speaker 2: you said before the young kids start to buy into 1071 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,080 Speaker 2: my son, you know, just bought a live jumper for 1072 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,000 Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty five dollars or whatever it was, 1073 00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,400 Speaker 2: and like he's in you know, like he's looking at 1074 00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,919 Speaker 2: Cam going you know, I want to be on that team, 1075 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:33,160 Speaker 2: you know. 1076 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,799 Speaker 1: So and I'm sure you're experiencing this as well with 1077 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:37,880 Speaker 1: the amount of young players that you work with, not 1078 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,759 Speaker 1: only from a junior standpoint, but people trying to play 1079 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:42,960 Speaker 1: in other professionals. What I don't think a lot of 1080 00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,239 Speaker 1: people realize now is I have high school kids, high 1081 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,960 Speaker 1: school parents, college kids, college parents, and then kit players 1082 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,880 Speaker 1: trying to play saying, listen, what's the pathway to play 1083 00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,520 Speaker 1: on lift? Because I don't think that people that aren't 1084 00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,480 Speaker 1: involved in it, they just see it, they say it's 1085 00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,480 Speaker 1: an exhibition. There are a peop well that they are 1086 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,279 Speaker 1: coming to me now that are saying, listen, that would 1087 00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:05,800 Speaker 1: be where I would want to play. And I'm sure 1088 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:10,080 Speaker 1: this week in Australia you'll start to see people now. 1089 00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,360 Speaker 1: And I say this all the time, Grant, I'm pro player. 1090 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,480 Speaker 1: The reason why I want live to succeed is you 1091 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,279 Speaker 1: and I work with professional athletes and professional golfers, and 1092 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,880 Speaker 1: I think and believe professional golfers and professional athletes should 1093 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,960 Speaker 1: have the exact same opportunities that every other athlete playing 1094 00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,120 Speaker 1: every other sport has to try and make as much 1095 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,200 Speaker 1: money as possible based off of your talent. 1096 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:36,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think, And that's one of the things 1097 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,120 Speaker 2: I found interesting. You know, like a lot of people 1098 00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,760 Speaker 2: sort of bag that everybody gets paid, right because in golf, 1099 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,040 Speaker 2: you know, we've always had cuts. We've always had people 1100 00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,880 Speaker 2: that miss out. And you know, and I sort of 1101 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,359 Speaker 2: say to people, it's like if you went to work 1102 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:51,840 Speaker 2: one week, right, and you turned up at work and 1103 00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,320 Speaker 2: you did a pretty good job. Week's work, right, you 1104 00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,120 Speaker 2: paid for your hotel to be there, you'd bought somebody along, 1105 00:50:57,200 --> 00:50:58,879 Speaker 2: like you caddy and all this, and it's petially about 1106 00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,120 Speaker 2: five or six grand to be there, and you know, 1107 00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,200 Speaker 2: but the boss comes out and says, you know what, 1108 00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,040 Speaker 2: you were good this week, but you weren't good enough, 1109 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:07,399 Speaker 2: so I'm not going to pay you. But come back 1110 00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,719 Speaker 2: next week and have another go, right, and if you're 1111 00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,000 Speaker 2: good and if you're good enough, we'll give you a 1112 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,600 Speaker 2: little bit more, give you a little more, yeah, you know, 1113 00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,800 Speaker 2: and like, yeah, you can be a backup pitcher for 1114 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,080 Speaker 2: the Dodgers and not picture a game and still get paid. Right. 1115 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,279 Speaker 2: These guys, yep, they're paid entertainment, right, and they they 1116 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,040 Speaker 2: should be paid, you know. And I think that's what 1117 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,480 Speaker 2: we've got to change, that mindset that these guys deserve 1118 00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,759 Speaker 2: to be paid. They work hard, They spend a lot 1119 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,400 Speaker 2: of money, a lot of time, a lot of effort 1120 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,319 Speaker 2: to get to where they want to get to where 1121 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,000 Speaker 2: they're trying to get to and you know they should 1122 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:35,799 Speaker 2: be rewarded for that. 1123 00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:37,759 Speaker 1: I'm talking to j Or Smith. I had them on 1124 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,040 Speaker 1: my podcast, but privately, j are you know two NBA championships. 1125 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,880 Speaker 1: He was saying, we were talking about live happening, and 1126 00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,840 Speaker 1: he's like, I just don't get it because he's like, 1127 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,680 Speaker 1: there's guys in the NBA that play four to five 1128 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,000 Speaker 1: minutes a game and they're making twenty five million. And 1129 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,239 Speaker 1: he said, and if the team makes the playoff, they 1130 00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,759 Speaker 1: never play, like they'll never play because they're they're just 1131 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,200 Speaker 1: a position guy. The only time they would play is 1132 00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:08,320 Speaker 1: if somebody came in and you know, got hurt. The money. Obviously, 1133 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,520 Speaker 1: Cam's one of the guys. He got the bag, he 1134 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,919 Speaker 1: got life changing money. Have you noticed any change in him? 1135 00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:15,600 Speaker 2: Not one bit. 1136 00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,600 Speaker 1: But also the thing that everybody says is nobody's practicing. 1137 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,960 Speaker 1: They've all got in the bag. They've all just taken 1138 00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,720 Speaker 1: their foot off the gas. They're not competitive. You noticed 1139 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,280 Speaker 1: any difference. He did say that he came down probably 1140 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,440 Speaker 1: for the first time in probably ten years, he was 1141 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:31,320 Speaker 1: able to come down and have a proper three to 1142 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,000 Speaker 1: four month off season hang with his boys, see the 1143 00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,080 Speaker 1: family and just be a normal human being. 1144 00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,120 Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah. Look as far as his effort, no, like, 1145 00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,040 Speaker 2: he's as professional as ever and probably wants it more, 1146 00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,680 Speaker 2: you know, to show people that they are at that level. 1147 00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,000 Speaker 2: And I think, you know, the biggest thing I think 1148 00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,360 Speaker 2: at the moment for Cam is just, you know, is 1149 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,320 Speaker 2: an adjustment in him being one of the team owners 1150 00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,160 Speaker 2: and the team captains and everything that goes with that. 1151 00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,200 Speaker 2: I think, you know, there's a lot more constraint on 1152 00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,120 Speaker 2: his time now, you know. I think there's a lot 1153 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:04,200 Speaker 2: more expectation for him to do certain things, and I 1154 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,120 Speaker 2: think that plays its part in performance, you know. But 1155 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,040 Speaker 2: when it's golf time, he's all in. You know, he's 1156 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,480 Speaker 2: still doing the work. He's he's not shirking anything, that's 1157 00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:13,920 Speaker 2: for sure. 1158 00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:19,160 Speaker 1: Lastly, pro mullet anti mullet because obviously one of the 1159 00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,240 Speaker 1: great things about Live this week. There's a T shirt 1160 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,239 Speaker 1: you can see it online. I'm social. It's kind of 1161 00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,879 Speaker 1: outline with the hair. I there's no way he can 1162 00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,120 Speaker 1: cut the hair now, right, I mean, there's just no 1163 00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:32,399 Speaker 1: way that he can get rid of. 1164 00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,120 Speaker 2: The mullet look. I think you know, it started as 1165 00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:35,800 Speaker 2: a joke, you know, and if you look back earlier. 1166 00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,400 Speaker 2: You know, he sort of said it at the time. Yeah, yeah, 1167 00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,800 Speaker 2: my mum hates it girlfriend, you know, but the boys 1168 00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:43,440 Speaker 2: love it, you know, And that's where it sort of started. 1169 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,200 Speaker 2: And that sort of typifies Cam and I think, but now, 1170 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,839 Speaker 2: you know, like, hey, he's played so good since he's 1171 00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,759 Speaker 2: had it, and then b you know, it's part of 1172 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,839 Speaker 2: who he is. So I'd struggled to think that he's 1173 00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,280 Speaker 2: going to cut anytime soon. He did say at one stage, 1174 00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,040 Speaker 2: if I win a major, I'll cut it, and then 1175 00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,719 Speaker 2: as soon as that happened, he went, now, I'm not 1176 00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,279 Speaker 2: cutting that say, I can't see it going anywhere just yet. 1177 00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:05,040 Speaker 2: And you know, look like you know, just about every 1178 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,440 Speaker 2: kid I coach, including my son, has had it a 1179 00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:08,960 Speaker 2: mullet at some stage in Australia. 1180 00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,240 Speaker 1: Australia with the mullet, because I've never been a place 1181 00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:16,040 Speaker 1: in I mean, I grew up I'm fifty four in 1182 00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,279 Speaker 1: a couple weeks. In a week I grew up in 1183 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,759 Speaker 1: the eighties, every kid in my high school had a mullet, right, 1184 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,239 Speaker 1: I mean, it was an old school thing. Then the 1185 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,560 Speaker 1: mullet went away. What is it in OZ with the 1186 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,000 Speaker 1: mullet and the cheesy mustache. 1187 00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,719 Speaker 2: Well, to be honest, you know, like again I'm not much, 1188 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,919 Speaker 2: but I'm a huge younger than you, and we never 1189 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,719 Speaker 2: had it early on, you know, and then all of 1190 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,320 Speaker 2: a sudden it came back and it was actually a 1191 00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,000 Speaker 2: lot of the rugby league players started having it in 1192 00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:42,239 Speaker 2: Australia and then I said, Cam kind of did it 1193 00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,319 Speaker 2: as a joke. And then like now golfers have got it, 1194 00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,960 Speaker 2: and you know, like I'd coach you know, at least 1195 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,840 Speaker 2: a dozen kids that have mullets, you know, and it's crazy, 1196 00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,719 Speaker 2: like everybody goes, oh to be coached by you, do 1197 00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,560 Speaker 2: you have to have a mullet? And you know, like yeah, 1198 00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:56,120 Speaker 2: so look I think it's you know, one of the 1199 00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,759 Speaker 2: things with Ozzie's is you know they're quite comfortable taking 1200 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,879 Speaker 2: the you got to say the mickey out of each 1201 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,839 Speaker 2: other and yeah, I said, we'd said taking the piece 1202 00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,680 Speaker 2: out of each other, you know. But yeah, so look, 1203 00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,239 Speaker 2: we don't take ourselves too seriously generally, and you know 1204 00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,160 Speaker 2: that's evident. Boy Kim's DOGI mustache and mullets. You know, 1205 00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,160 Speaker 2: I think it's here to say. 1206 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,520 Speaker 1: Grant, I can't take thank you enough for talking to us. 1207 00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,680 Speaker 1: And when you work with a kid as a ten 1208 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,400 Speaker 1: year old not you know what golfers are like, they're 1209 00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:30,080 Speaker 1: never gonna blame themselves and they'll switch coaches. The fact 1210 00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,879 Speaker 1: that Cam is is and not only that, the fact 1211 00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,759 Speaker 1: that Cam has kept you on his team and you're 1212 00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,560 Speaker 1: so much a part of his professional life and his 1213 00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,800 Speaker 1: personal life. But he's also done this now living in America, 1214 00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,080 Speaker 1: it's not like you see him on a regular basis. 1215 00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,240 Speaker 1: Now you've got to come to him. And the fact 1216 00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:49,799 Speaker 1: that he's kept you on his team through thick and thin, 1217 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,880 Speaker 1: I think says a tremendous amount about him. But I 1218 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,839 Speaker 1: also think it says a hell of a lot about 1219 00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,000 Speaker 1: you as a person, as a player, as a coach, 1220 00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:01,719 Speaker 1: and that player coach relationship, and it's it's really cool 1221 00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,799 Speaker 1: to watch, and I think you're doing a hell of 1222 00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,600 Speaker 1: a job with him and a lot of the other 1223 00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,600 Speaker 1: players you're you're working with. So thanks for taking time 1224 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:15,919 Speaker 1: to talk to us. So that was grand Field and 1225 00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,560 Speaker 1: a really good pod. Lots and lots of stuff to 1226 00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,920 Speaker 1: take in there. And you know, you take a player 1227 00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:24,920 Speaker 1: from a ten year old and turn him into a 1228 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,400 Speaker 1: major championship. I can't imagine what that must have meant 1229 00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,240 Speaker 1: to be at St. Andrew's for Grant and his team 1230 00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,040 Speaker 1: and the team around camp to see that happen and 1231 00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,520 Speaker 1: to get I've been lucky enough to be a part 1232 00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,960 Speaker 1: of that. And when you watch a player that you've 1233 00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,480 Speaker 1: worked with win a major championship, it's it's just an amazing, 1234 00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:45,720 Speaker 1: amazing feeling lived. Last week I was down in Australia, 1235 00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,680 Speaker 1: the Aussie fans, I just I just can't say enough 1236 00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,960 Speaker 1: about the way they came out. You can tell that 1237 00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,920 Speaker 1: it has been a long time since golf fans in 1238 00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,800 Speaker 1: Australia have seen that type of field, those type of players, 1239 00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:02,520 Speaker 1: and they showed up in full force. It was one 1240 00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,440 Speaker 1: of the coolest weeks that I've been a part of 1241 00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:09,360 Speaker 1: in my professional career, and just to see the enthusiasm 1242 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,319 Speaker 1: it really was something really really cool. I know all 1243 00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,920 Speaker 1: the players felt it as well, and I think one 1244 00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:18,960 Speaker 1: of the winners last week, Yeah, I think Live made 1245 00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,600 Speaker 1: a step forward, if you like, But I think the 1246 00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,680 Speaker 1: big winners last week were the golf fans in Australia 1247 00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,960 Speaker 1: who got to see some really cool golf and it 1248 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,080 Speaker 1: was a hell of a week and hopefully we'll get 1249 00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:34,080 Speaker 1: to get back down there again. Next year. Thanks everyone 1250 00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,720 Speaker 1: for listening. I know we took last week off. I've 1251 00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:40,439 Speaker 1: been on a pretty brutal travel schedule lately, but we've 1252 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,440 Speaker 1: got some really good pods. I've got a lot of 1253 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,480 Speaker 1: good stuff coming, and you guys are gonna have some 1254 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,680 Speaker 1: good stuff to listen to in the coming weeks. Son 1255 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,040 Speaker 1: of a Butcher comes to you every Wednesday. We will 1256 00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:50,920 Speaker 1: see you next week.