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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius x M Triumph

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Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. Chase Master isn't a rock War veteran,

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Speaker 1: a husband, a father. His wife told us she dropped

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Speaker 1: them off at a quick trip in Cobtown. His family

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Speaker 1: says he was last seen at a friend's house in

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Speaker 1: Kennesaw three years ago, and it's like he vanished from

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Speaker 1: that home, not to be seen or heard from again.

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Speaker 1: Despite some intense searching, a few clues have been found,

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Speaker 1: we have absolutely no answers at all, not even the

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Speaker 1: slightest clue. In three years, we start trying to determine

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Speaker 1: if remains found in the backyard of those of an

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Speaker 1: army veteran who has been missing out for three years.

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Speaker 1: This is the home where three years ago, twenty six

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Speaker 1: year old Chase Master was last seen. Everyone looked and looked, looked.

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Speaker 1: Nothing made any sense. This guy handsome, young, beautiful wife,

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Speaker 1: too gorgeous, little girls, just babies. A war hero comes

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Speaker 1: home from Iraq only to go missing on American soil.

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Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. We have spent months, some people years

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Speaker 1: trying to find Chase Master, and in the last hours.

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Speaker 1: We do just that Chase's body has been discovered, and

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Speaker 1: this is no accident, there is no doubt about it,

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Speaker 1: buried wrapped in a tarp under a patio covered with

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Speaker 1: a slab of cement. But why, why, Why is his

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Speaker 1: wife widowed and his two little girls now left to

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Speaker 1: grow up without a father. We are now searching for

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Speaker 1: answers and we want justice. Joining me is an all

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Speaker 1: star crew, Ross Warrens, Kim Harris, Michael Swagger, Lee Egan,

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Speaker 1: Daniel Wilkerson, Alan Duke, all in a search for justice.

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Speaker 1: Straight out to you. Daniel Wilkerson, Channel forty six on

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Speaker 1: the story from the beginning. What did we find out overnight? Well,

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Speaker 1: apparently it was gonna take three days for the Department

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Speaker 1: of Defense to get Chase's general records here to the

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Speaker 1: Medical Examiner's office. And so the Medical Examiner's office called

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Speaker 1: Chase his wife, Amanda, and I guess Amanda in turn

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Speaker 1: called uh Chase's mother, Stephanie Cordina, and Stephanie, I was

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Speaker 1: here yesterday when Stephanie the mother brought to the Medical

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Speaker 1: Examiner's office uh teeth, his baby teeth, Chase his baby

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Speaker 1: teeth hair from when he was a little boy, along

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Speaker 1: And I walked her up to the door. She went inside.

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Speaker 1: She was in there for about ten minutes when she

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Speaker 1: came out. She came back out with the baby teeth

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Speaker 1: and the hair. She said that the medical examiner said

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Speaker 1: that they thought they could make an i D with

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Speaker 1: his medical records, with his general records from when he

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Speaker 1: was eleven years old, but they told her to hold

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Speaker 1: this mother, Stephanie Codina, has kept everything from when he

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Speaker 1: and he just kept everything. Yeah, Daniel, I was just

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Speaker 1: talking with you and Jackie here in the studio about

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Speaker 1: the day that we went to go meet with his mother, Stephanie.

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Speaker 1: And when I got there in the home, all laid

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Speaker 1: And she held onto those photo albums as if they

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Speaker 1: were Chase. And what what a mixed up, crazy, horrible,

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Speaker 1: horrible time. I mean, Chase had come home from Iraq

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Speaker 1: the QT, the Quick Trip, and there was a little

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Speaker 1: subculture there, like you know everywhere you work. When I

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Speaker 1: And we even heard the voice mails that she had

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. I want

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Speaker 1: to hear your take on what's happening right now as

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Speaker 1: not something easy to deal with, um. Right now, the

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Speaker 1: That's something that just it just needs to stop. You go.

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Speaker 1: We gotta let people grieve in their own way. And

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Speaker 1: did you take it one step at a time? Tell

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Speaker 1: me your thoughts as you hear all of this unfolding.

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Speaker 1: What can you tell us about Chase Master and the

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Speaker 1: way his body has been found. I don't even know

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Speaker 1: how to explain um when I found out. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we've all a lot of us, all had suspicions. We

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Speaker 1: that it was actually there, it's just it's just it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: It's nothing anybody ever wanted to hear. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: different when something is assumption. It's amazing how this was

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Speaker 1: been for who do you think Alan Team Chase number one,

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Speaker 1: who has been working on this since he goes missing

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Speaker 1: Who else would you say has been pushing this the most?

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Speaker 1: There's no there's no question. The Cobb County Cold Case Unit,

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Speaker 1: just tell the truth. It was in the freaking backyard,

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Speaker 1: the past, I've had a pretty good relationship with cow

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Speaker 1: But this guy, Kim, he said his mom every day, right,

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Speaker 1: He stayed in constant contact with her. It was completely

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Speaker 1: couldn't even begin to imagine. It's it's still hard for

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00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: me to even fathom. Um, you know, he was there

428
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: and being there the whole time, and it's it's hard

429
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: to even talk about joining me right now from team Chase,

430
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: Tammy Childs, Tammy, thank you so much for being with us.

431
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: We're going through the timeline and the way this must

432
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 1: have unfolded. Because when that construction crew got there and

433
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: Brad knew they were coming, Brad Clement knew they were

434
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: coming early in the morning. He had to. He kept

435
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: leaving the house for so called errands. I believe he

436
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: was going to get everything he needed to hide that body,

437
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: so he had to get cement, mix it and put

438
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: a slab over the body. And I really believe Chase

439
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: died during the night, maybe not even long after he

440
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 1: got there. What do you make of it, Tammy Childs?

441
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree with you, Nancy, I agree. I believe

442
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: when he said he went to both he got the material,

443
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 1: so concrete and whatever else he needed to do this with.

444
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: I believe Chase died that night. Tell me how Stephanie is.

445
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 1: She's devastated. She's devastated. I mean, we knew in our

446
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: hearts that the day would come, but now it's real.

447
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: You know. Michael Swagger with us who put up a

448
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: big chunk of the reward to help find Chase mass

449
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: are also a private investigator. Michael, how do you think,

450
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about based on the evidence we have,

451
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: the timeline, we have Brad's and Chase's movements that night,

452
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: how do you think the scenario unfolded? Michael? I mean,

453
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: based upon the the information that we've received that suggests

454
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: that the phones never never left that area. Is that

455
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: night that there there wasn't much movement, um, nor order

456
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: Chase leave the house the next day as has been claimed.

457
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 1: I think the evidence suggests that he never did. And

458
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: I mean that's very clearly been affirmed by the discovery

459
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: the day before yesterday, which has to be technically confirmed exactly.

460
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: You know. That brings me to another issue, Daniel, Daniel,

461
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: They said, and me imediately to you, as you're standing

462
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: at the house and the medical examiner is there and

463
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 1: they are physically digging up Chase's body, they said, almost immediately,

464
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: it's Chase. Now it's been a couple of years now.

465
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 1: There had to be something there was that his cell phone?

466
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: Was it his T shirt? Was that his quick chip

467
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: I d I mean there was something about that body.

468
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: They knew immediately that it was Chase. They haven't officially

469
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: put it out that this is Chase and this is

470
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: the cause of death, but they knew immediately. Do you

471
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 1: think it was the cell phone? What was it? What

472
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: did they find in that shallow grave? Well, this is

473
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: the thing, as you said, I when I got there, Uh,

474
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: police were in the back. They had no idea that

475
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: I was coming. Um, I was the only reporter there

476
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: and when the one of the detectives came around, UM,

477
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: I started asking questions, UM, and I got kind of

478
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: detail I wanted to know, you know, was he covered,

479
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: you know, what was the state of the body? And Um,

480
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: from his face he didn't tell me. But from his

481
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: facial expression, I could tell that there were things there,

482
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: whether they be items or whatever, that only the person

483
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: who put them there would know about. And so I've

484
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: heard from a source that the police department they're going

485
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: to keep uh that very tight lip. They're not going

486
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: to discuss what was found with the body, because they

487
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: say only the person who put them there. Even remains

488
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: discovered in the backyard of a resident where Brad Clement,

489
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: where a young, bright eyed guy turned a rocky war

490
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: Vett was last sing. For three years, we have been

491
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: looking for Chase, looking for Chase. Master finding Chase now

492
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: a whole new chapter this story is opening. In the

493
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: last seventy two hours. Chase's body has been found in

494
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: a shallow grave, wrapped in a tarp under a makeshift

495
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: cement slab. We are on it. Join us in seeking

496
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: justice for Chase Masner. All Right, Daniel Wilkerson channel forty six.

497
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,719
Speaker 1: Take a listen to more of what Brad Clement. Let

498
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: me jog your memory. Daniel told you and me you

499
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: were sitting right beside him. I was sitting Indian style

500
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: on his bed, staring him. I wouldn't even blink because

501
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: I wanted to watch every expression on his face. We

502
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: walked out of that room, I looked at you in

503
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,719
Speaker 1: the Libby went, you know he's lying right away. Yeah

504
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: he's lying. But we didn't know why. That's the thing.

505
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: We didn't know why. Listen, listen, Daniel, take me through

506
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: what happened that when he goes miss. I mean, it's

507
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: really not that much like it's like everybody says, I

508
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: like change my story and all this stuff, and it's

509
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: like that was like what I did that day, you know,

510
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: I mean, that wasn't really anything to do with Chase.

511
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, I ran abount of errands

512
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: what I was doing, you know, most time when I

513
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: was fixing up my house, like he was there that

514
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: night and then you know, basically left sometime between when

515
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: I was coming back from the store to when I

516
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: started cooking. Like I mean, he had to act like

517
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: I mean that that's the only logical thing. So, Daniel,

518
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: now that I have jogged your memory thoughts, well, yeah,

519
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: I was speaking with a person close to the investigation

520
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: yesterday and they told me that if the medical examiner

521
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: can't come up with the cause of death, it may

522
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: make it hard to get a murder conviction. I don't

523
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: know what that means. You probably would know better than me, Nancy, Well, yeah,

524
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: what what could be argued at trial? And I certainly

525
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: don't want to give him any ideas. Is it Chase

526
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: died from a natural cause? But I find it hard

527
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: to believe that a medical examiner would not be able

528
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: to determine natural cause of death. Um, if there is,

529
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: of course a gunshot wound, you'll find that, especially if

530
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: you find a bullet. If there's a blow to the head,

531
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: you'll find that in the skull. If it's soft tissue

532
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: like a strangulation or asphyxiation, much much more difficult to

533
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: determine after three years. But you and I know that

534
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: Brad can certainly let me just say, spin a yarn,

535
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: all right, So it is going to be hard. But

536
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: I mean, even based on what he said, married with

537
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: married to the facts that we know, we've already figured

538
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: out the approximate time of death. It was during the

539
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: night before the construction crew got there. And if you

540
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: look at what he's saying, you can see straight through

541
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: the subterfuge, like I had to go to deliver a

542
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: computer to X well, X doesn't exist, So that means

543
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,719
Speaker 1: he went to Lows. Does Lows have videotape? Do they

544
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: still have surveillance video from three years ago? If so,

545
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: can we recreate what he bought at Lows? He got

546
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: it at Lows? Okay, he got cement mixed there, That's

547
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: what I'm betting. I'm betting right now, we don't know anything.

548
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: He has not been formally charged and certainly not convicted,

549
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: and under our rules of evidence, he has presumed innocent

550
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: until proven guilty. So in the eyes of the law,

551
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: he is an innocent person. Don't get me wrong. Okay,

552
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: Now let's talk about the facts. So what another thing

553
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: that um, Stephanie Chase's mother was concerned about, and she

554
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: we spoke on this yesterday. There was a month in

555
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: between the time when the cold case unit out there

556
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: with the dog, um when when when the dogs you know,

557
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: hit on human remains, and the time when they actually

558
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: made the dig Now, keep in mind at that point

559
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: when the dogs hit the cold case unit, the District

560
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: Attorney's cold case unit had the case. Soon after that,

561
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: for some reason, they had to turn it back over

562
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: to the Cobb County Police Department, And there was a

563
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 1: month span of a month before the police made that dig. Now,

564
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: I was told by the police department that they had

565
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: to check uh for pipes, underground pipes. But Chase's mother,

566
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: her concern is, you know, did it take a month

567
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: for them to check for underground pipes? You know, to

568
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: Tammy Child, you were with Daniel Wilkerson and myself in

569
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: that room when we finally united Brad Clement, who we

570
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: believe was with Chase at the time he died and

571
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: we believe buried his body in the backyard under cubment slab,

572
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: and Ephanie Chase, his mom, She had wanted to meet Brad,

573
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: to look at him face to face and ask him questions.

574
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: When I think back on that meeting, Tammy childs it

575
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: just gives me, it just makes my stomach sick, because

576
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: she was looking for answers about her son and they

577
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: actually hugged, as I recall, yes, they did, they absolutely did,

578
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: and he Brad just lied to her. Brad lied to

579
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 1: her right to her face. He did. What are her thoughts,

580
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: now you've been in close contact with her, what are

581
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: her thoughts regarding Brad Brad Clement. She's she even stopped.

582
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: She thinking shocked. She cannot believe how he could have

583
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: done this, how he could have lied right through her.

584
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: So now what happens? Daniel Wilkerson, you mentioned it's gonna

585
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: be hard to come up with an m O and

586
00:35:54,400 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: prove murder. I completely disagree, okay, And I'll tell you why.

587
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: If somebody falls down the steps, what do you do?

588
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: You call nine one one? Somebody has a car crush?

589
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: What do you do nine one one? When I see

590
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: somebody on the side of the road, I call nine

591
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: one one, you know, to help them? Um, you try

592
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: to do CPR. You don't run to the backyard and

593
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: putting the body in a shallow grave, wrapped in a

594
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: tarp under a slab of homemade cement. Why would you

595
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:31,919
Speaker 1: do that? Okay? So clearly a jury could infer from

596
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: that some wrongdoing. I mean, am I what am I? Alice?

597
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: In Wonderland? Am I the only one that's standing straight

598
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: up and not upside down. Come on, Daniel, please, I mean,

599
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: don't laugh at me. I'm serious. What do you mean

600
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: no foul play? Please? If this had been a normal

601
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: or a natural cause of death, Chase would not have

602
00:36:55,400 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: been in the backyard under a slab of cement. What

603
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: is it about Brad Clement that everybody wants to make

604
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: an excuse for him? I mean I did it too,

605
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: because when we left that long interview that we basically

606
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: ambushed him, I'm like, you know what, he's totally lying,

607
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: But what is he lying about? See? Instead of going

608
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: he's lying, he must be guilty. I didn't say that

609
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: there's something about him? What is it? I'll say this, Nancy.

610
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 1: Leading up to the interview and all through this process,

611
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: I've spent a lot of time with Brad Clement, and

612
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: I will just say personally, Uh, he's a likable person.

613
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: I mean the Brad Clement that I know to the

614
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,439
Speaker 1: extent that I know him. You know, I can't see

615
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: doing anything like this. Um. You know, then there is

616
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: the evidence you know that we've seen as of late,

617
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 1: but you've met him. I mean, he is a likable person.

618
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: He's very calm um. He had a bowl of cereal

619
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 1: while we were interviewing him that day in the hotel.

620
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: The first time I interviewed him at his mother's house. Um,

621
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: he was putting in a radiator for his mother. He

622
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: never stopped installing that radiator. I sat on his mother's porch.

623
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 1: He never stopped in stalling that radiator while he went

624
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: over the chain of events. Never his his neighbors. Uh,

625
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: they have all told us in the last couple of

626
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: days he was a like order or is a likable person.

627
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: Um was a great neighbor. So just with my personal

628
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: experience and being around him, I mean, he doesn't act

629
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,959
Speaker 1: like he would heard a fly. It is a dichotomy, Um,

630
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: when you know Brad Clement or when you're around him.

631
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: I don't think any of us really know him, But

632
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: when you're around him, Daniel's right. He does not give

633
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 1: off the vibe here. This is the guy that would

634
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: sit in a pit group in his den and watch

635
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: sports or a TV marathon for like twenty four hours straight,

636
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: eating chips, and you know, knows all about how to

637
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: break down and put back together Pewter install radiator. He's

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Speaker 1: no idiot. He's just a kind of an unassuming, laid

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Speaker 1: back dude and it's hard to two reconcile that with

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Speaker 1: someone in the middle of the night burying a body

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Speaker 1: in the backyard. But Daniel, you know what, for ten

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Speaker 1: straight years I would look at people in court and think,

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Speaker 1: how could they have done that? Why? Why would they

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Speaker 1: do that? And it never made sense to me. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't have to make sense. All it has to be

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Speaker 1: is the truth. I don't have to know why. I

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Speaker 1: just have to know the truth. Daniel. You know another

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Speaker 1: thing that I've been thinking about it is this, and

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Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna look into this here in the next

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Speaker 1: couple of days. Is um. You know when I think

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Speaker 1: I told you yesterday that when I spoke with Brad

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Speaker 1: right after the dog's hid, um, his concern was, he said, Man,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe doll and taking these new homeowners through that.

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Speaker 1: All along. You know, I've had a somewhat of a a relationship,

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Speaker 1: been in contact with the new owners of the home,

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Speaker 1: Brad's old home, and Um, can you imagine if there

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Speaker 1: was a body found in the backyard of a home

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Speaker 1: you've owned now for what a year or two? I mean,

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Speaker 1: every time you say if you get ready to sell it,

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Speaker 1: you know, every time someone puts that address in UM.

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Speaker 1: This story is going to come up. And the way

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Speaker 1: I understand it, Brad sold that home to flippers, people

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Speaker 1: who remodeled the house, and the flippers sold the house

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Speaker 1: to to this couple, and shortly after that they learned

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Speaker 1: from neighbors um the allegations. Take a listen to what

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Speaker 1: Chase's mother has to say. The first several weeks, they

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Speaker 1: were not actively investigating because, in their words, it's not

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Speaker 1: a crime to be missing. If he wanted to walk away,

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Speaker 1: it's not a crying Okay, let's talk about that. Had

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Speaker 1: he ever in his life gone this long without texting you,

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Speaker 1: were calling you ever? Never? And you know what I say,

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Speaker 1: if you don't know a horse, look at his track record.

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Speaker 1: So what somebody has done in the past, they're likely

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Speaker 1: to do again. If he had gone his whole lot

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Speaker 1: texting you and calling you every what day, other day,

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Speaker 1: what all the time, then why would he quit that day?

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Speaker 1: It's like to h G double l with my mother.

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Speaker 1: So I don't believe that. I don't either. I just

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Speaker 1: I just want to know the truth. I want to

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Speaker 1: know what happened to Chase. Do you believe Chase is

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Speaker 1: still alive? I do not now are you saying that

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Speaker 1: with your heart and your head? Or yes, I don't

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Speaker 1: believe he's a life. Can you think of a reason

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Speaker 1: that anyone would have wanted him? Dad? Not a single reason.

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Speaker 1: I've lived the last three years not knowing, and every

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Speaker 1: single day it's just hell. To everyone joining us today,

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Speaker 1: Daniel Wilkerson, Channel Team Chase, Kim Harris, Michael Swagger, Ross

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Speaker 1: warrens Lee, Egan, Alan Do, Tammy Chiles and everyone joining

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Speaker 1: us in finding Chase Masner and now our search for

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Speaker 1: justice for Chase. Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off, Goodbye friend,