Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to another edition of Nerdificent Time. One
Speaker 1: half of your host, Danny Fernandez if he is out
Speaker 1: today but joining me. Actually think, is this your first
Speaker 1: time on our podcast? This is the first time. Is
Speaker 1: one of my best friends who I've never even had
Speaker 1: on my own podcast, even though I've had it for
Speaker 1: over a year. Um, that's the voice. She's a host
Speaker 1: l Ray Network and Night Church. Vanessa Gritten. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited to be on. Wow, you were krilling
Speaker 1: it though, Yes I was. I was on. I was
Speaker 1: on krilling it back when I had like early bowl
Speaker 1: my hair. Yes, yes it's a little longer in tamer,
Speaker 1: but like I had the bangs and anything back when
Speaker 1: I was like a blue circle. This is This is
Speaker 1: how I know that you're one of my best friends
Speaker 1: because you've literally never asked me to be on this show,
Speaker 1: whereas like random people that don't know if he and
Speaker 1: I are like put us on your show, and then
Speaker 1: you're like one of our closest friends, and you're like,
Speaker 1: I'm just happy you're doing well. I'm just happy for
Speaker 1: you guys. Well, I'm happy for you too. On TV
Speaker 1: at L Ray Network, which is Robert Rodriguez's channel that
Speaker 1: you're on, and our good friend Hector Navarre, who has
Speaker 1: been on here, is also a host with you. I
Speaker 1: got it's such a blast. I It's the first job
Speaker 1: I've had in a while where they just really let
Speaker 1: me let my freak flag fly, Like, let me get
Speaker 1: as weird as I want to be and as niche
Speaker 1: as I want to be. Like we have an episode
Speaker 1: coming up, or I teach like a fifteen minute Kaiju
Speaker 1: class and they let me get really in depth. I
Speaker 1: I love it. There, please tag it, We'll share it. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then across from me, we have writer and host
Speaker 1: Tony Sanchez is. I'm very, very happy and excited to
Speaker 1: be here. You and I have been on a couple
Speaker 1: of panels at at different comic cons at the cons together. Yes,
Speaker 1: I like them all. I love them all because I
Speaker 1: mean they've been essentially the same panel, which is talking
Speaker 1: about represent a shin and it turns into that yeah,
Speaker 1: and it turns into just basically just we I think, uh,
Speaker 1: Tamara Brooks Brooks, you know, wrangles together a really great
Speaker 1: group of people and we just kind of sit there
Speaker 1: and talk about, you know, the world of of fiction
Speaker 1: and geeky fiction in particular, and how it's sort of
Speaker 1: just reflects the world around us and what we could
Speaker 1: be doing better and how people could be supporting just
Speaker 1: quality representation in general. So I've had a blast on
Speaker 1: every single panel with Danny so he yeay. Uh. So
Speaker 1: we've been starting our podcast with what we're geeking out about, Vanessa,
Speaker 1: I was going to start with you. Uh, what I've
Speaker 1: really been seeking out about is the announcement for the
Speaker 1: new Creep Show series that's going to be coming out. Um.
Speaker 1: I really love I love horror, and I love horror
Speaker 1: as told in vignettes like to my favorite things that
Speaker 1: influenced me a lot growing up, uh where the first
Speaker 1: two Cryption movies and Tales from the Crypt Uh. And
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of a lot of horror
Speaker 1: things that come out now are really fun, but they're
Speaker 1: also like very art house and bleak. And it's not
Speaker 1: that I don't like them, it's just they could be
Speaker 1: exhausting when that's all you really have. And creep Show
Speaker 1: at its heart has always been really fun. Uh, It's
Speaker 1: always been Yes, it's a horror bet at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, it's really fun and entertaining and sometimes silly.
Speaker 1: If you've seen the second movie, it gets real silly.
Speaker 1: Uh So I am so pumped for the series to
Speaker 1: actually like come out and be a thing because it
Speaker 1: also gives like really great indie horror writers and directors
Speaker 1: a spotlight that they wouldn't otherwise get to have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when is it coming out? God? What was it released? State?
Speaker 1: So is it doing something that Halloween Hornets? It's also
Speaker 1: doing something at Halloween Hornets. And here's the exciting thing
Speaker 1: about it at Hornet's is not only are they like
Speaker 1: working stuff from the current show that's about to come
Speaker 1: into it, but also there are going to be elements
Speaker 1: of the first two movies in the maze, So it's
Speaker 1: going to be like a full encapsulation of the Creep
Speaker 1: Show franchise as a whole. Um twenty nineteen is when
Speaker 1: they yeah, they don't really say, I bet. I'm imagine
Speaker 1: it's before Halloween. May. Yeah, it's probably gonna be before Halloween.
Speaker 1: Does that mean that you'll go to Horror Knight's with me? Yes,
Speaker 1: it's my first Night's. Yeah, because you know I could
Speaker 1: have sworn that you said no when I asked you.
Speaker 1: You know, they give me tickets and everybody says no.
Speaker 1: If he says no, Danielle says no, nobody wants to go,
Speaker 1: So you're gonna go. I'm I'm finally gonna do it, okay,
Speaker 1: because like I had, I'm finally like turning around on
Speaker 1: I love horror, but I'm like really bad about horror mazes. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I think it's because, for I was working on
Speaker 1: an article where I had to go to like horror
Speaker 1: mazes where they can touch you. Uh no no, And
Speaker 1: after doing with three of them in a row, I
Speaker 1: was like, I'm good for like five years. Uh. And
Speaker 1: now I'm like working my way back into horror mazes.
Speaker 1: And but now that they're fun again, Yeah, because writing
Speaker 1: it down in my planner, Ate, Tony, what about you?
Speaker 1: What are you geking out about? As always, I'm always
Speaker 1: rewatching Golden Girls. It seems like, um, it's so obvious,
Speaker 1: like watching rewatching it as an adult where I'm like, God,
Speaker 1: this is everything that is me, And it's so obvious
Speaker 1: that I watched it a lot as a kid and
Speaker 1: everything just sort of informed my personality and my study.
Speaker 1: Like I was at Target the other day and my
Speaker 1: sister was like, well, what are you looking for? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just sort of want this like late
Speaker 1: eighties like Florida Pastel chics, and I'm like, I'm describing
Speaker 1: the Golden Girl, so like that's exactly what I'm describing
Speaker 1: in the poem. Yeah, exactly. Um. The other thing that
Speaker 1: I'm thinking out about is that I'm prepping for a
Speaker 1: dragon Con, which is like my mecca. It's like my
Speaker 1: Recharge Con in Atlanta, Georgia, and it's like all my
Speaker 1: weird costplays get to come out and play, not just
Speaker 1: like you know, popular superhero spandex costplays. So like, for example,
Speaker 1: like this is what's happening with my costplays. It's like
Speaker 1: Carmen san Diego, Benny the Cab from Roger Rabbit. This
Speaker 1: is why, Yes, Tracy term Lad from Hairspray. I rewatched
Speaker 1: Drop Dead Gorgeous last week and I've decided to go
Speaker 1: ahead and bring the physical Fitness number where they you know,
Speaker 1: dance with the freshly painted step ladders and they end
Speaker 1: up with blue paint all over them. I'm bringing that
Speaker 1: to life too, So I yeah, I just really really
Speaker 1: loved the opportunity to make really obscure a niche cosplays
Speaker 1: where it's like ten people are going to like recognize it,
Speaker 1: but those ten people are gonna be so excited, and
Speaker 1: so I'm just really excited for just really silly little cosplays.
Speaker 1: What's your Tracy outfit? My Tracy eltfit. It's the Roach gown.
Speaker 1: It's the Miss Auto Show. Like and the last time
Speaker 1: I wore this, I had some like teenage girl come
Speaker 1: up to me and she thought that I was dressing
Speaker 1: up as Alaska from RuPaul's Drag Race because Alaska wore this,
Speaker 1: I guess on some reunion special and I was like,
Speaker 1: your clothes, you're so close and it's not your fault
Speaker 1: because you're twelve, but no, it's Tracy. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: it's my favorite con ever, Like if you ever just
Speaker 1: sort of like, wow, would I ever do that? Like
Speaker 1: Dragon Con is the place to do that. I dressed
Speaker 1: up as Rod Sterling one year at l a comic con,
Speaker 1: but like and I had to put the spiral behind me.
Speaker 1: I had a little cigarette which I couldn't like, and
Speaker 1: I had like his eyebrows drawn in, and I was
Speaker 1: wearing a suit but the suit with the cigarette. People
Speaker 1: were like pulp fiction but like but it was because
Speaker 1: I would pull the spiral out of my back, so
Speaker 1: like I didn't have to walk around. I had the
Speaker 1: spiral like taped to a yardstick so you could tell.
Speaker 1: But then yeah, without the prop but yeah, looked amazing.
Speaker 1: It was fun. It was fun. And my friend Mark
Speaker 1: Ellis was one of the pig doctors from one of
Speaker 1: the episodes. I was going to say, I have trauma
Speaker 1: with Benny from uh from who frame Roger Rabbit because
Speaker 1: he's always broken down Disneyland. If you live in l A,
Speaker 1: you know, or southern California, you know what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: That right, is always broken down. I've written it once
Speaker 1: out of like the hundreds of times that I've been
Speaker 1: for an hour and then you get to the front
Speaker 1: and sorry rides down. Yeah yeah. Also the shoe, the
Speaker 1: dipping of the shoe. I just can't handle it. There
Speaker 1: was a Guay last year. He showed up as doctor
Speaker 1: and he had the full oil barrel with like glowing
Speaker 1: like green google coming like you know, it was obviously
Speaker 1: just a light effect, but I literally was like, you're
Speaker 1: a horrible monster, and I walked away from him. What
Speaker 1: are you going? As the antelope from the Lion and
Speaker 1: he was the Wilder Beast, I mean that holding and
Speaker 1: he would like that was his whole deal. He had
Speaker 1: the actual shoe with like a sad little expression on
Speaker 1: his face, holding over the oil barrel, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you're a monster. I am convinced anybody that caused plays
Speaker 1: as Judge is a sociopathlete going as a hunter, that
Speaker 1: hurt that killed baby's mom. What are we doing here?
Speaker 1: Oh god, um, we are here today because we're talking
Speaker 1: about one of our favorite superheroes of all time, and
Speaker 1: that is America Javes. Correct man, what is y'all's first
Speaker 1: introduction to America? My first introduction to America jav Is.
Speaker 1: I knew she existed when she was first created and
Speaker 1: she was with the Teen Brigade, but like, I never
Speaker 1: really read read anything with her. My first introduction was
Speaker 1: issue one of the jam Kelvey and Karen Gillen Young
Speaker 1: Avengers Run. Just because she was right on the cover,
Speaker 1: run and center, you knew exactly who she was when
Speaker 1: she was about she had this great denim jacket and
Speaker 1: like high top sneakers and these like little black shorts.
Speaker 1: The hoop earrings was what a thousand percent sold me.
Speaker 1: But I've read all of her stuff since then, but
Speaker 1: that was my introduction to her and the personality that
Speaker 1: they gave her. Just surly and take new prisoners, what
Speaker 1: about you, tony um Tumbler. Really that's such a funny
Speaker 1: way to find a superhero totally because it was like
Speaker 1: people that were really really pumped about this new character
Speaker 1: because I wasn't reading, you know, the comics that she
Speaker 1: was appearing when she was debuting, So all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: she just started showing up on my timeline and not
Speaker 1: just like bit by bit, like consistently, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what is going on? And it's just people writing these
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've been on Tumbler, but it's
Speaker 1: a wonderful place for thing pieces and people to just
Speaker 1: like geek out with like entire five you know, page
Speaker 1: essay about what they love about this character. And I
Speaker 1: was like, this sounds like literally like a dream come true,
Speaker 1: like a queer Latin, a strong, you know, superhero who
Speaker 1: dresses in streetwear and denim and combat boots. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is literally everything I was ever asking for as
Speaker 1: a kid, and it just it just like blew my
Speaker 1: mind of just like this is obviously everything that I've
Speaker 1: been looking for, and it's here. How amazing is that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So for people that don't know, or you're like, who's
Speaker 1: America Chaves? Which I still get some people, how does
Speaker 1: that happen? Even in our community? Literally all the time,
Speaker 1: I was literally on a shoe for you know, uh,
Speaker 1: an online influencer and uh I had some of the
Speaker 1: books out, you know, the West Coast Avengers books, and
Speaker 1: they were like, oh what are you doing. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be talking about America Chavez later Like who?
Speaker 1: And I'm like Miss America America Chaves Like oh, that's
Speaker 1: her name, Like, yeah, well, where have you been? Hello?
Speaker 1: She's like the biggest Latina superhero? Um? Well yeah. So.
Speaker 1: America Chave is also known as Miss America, is from
Speaker 1: Marvel Comics. She was created by Joe Casey and Nick Dragoda. Um.
Speaker 1: She's the second character to use the monica Miss America
Speaker 1: after Madeline Joyce, and she first appeared in Vengeance number
Speaker 1: one back in September of eleven, before she ended up
Speaker 1: starting in her own ongoing series, America, which launched March
Speaker 1: seventeen by writer Gabby Rivera. Uh So, she's Marvel's first
Speaker 1: Latin American lgbt Q character to start in an ongoing
Speaker 1: series Pretty Dope, And actually Gabby has a Ted talk
Speaker 1: up about how she was asked to write America and
Speaker 1: then um like the stories that weren't important to her.
Speaker 1: And I love that Ted talk. Yeah, it's uh, it's
Speaker 1: a really sweet Ted talk because she really talks and
Speaker 1: touches on something that I think is a reason a
Speaker 1: lot of people love the American Job as character, and
Speaker 1: that is women of color, especially women of color in
Speaker 1: superhero type roles, never get to really be soft. Uh.
Speaker 1: And if we are soft, were soft in a way
Speaker 1: that's very like broken, and people don't respond to it well.
Speaker 1: Uh And and a big part of that is, both
Speaker 1: in comics and in reality, Latina's tend to have to
Speaker 1: be very strong for the outside world, but at home
Speaker 1: is the only time we can feel that that softness,
Speaker 1: that that world weary weakness. And that Ted talk is
Speaker 1: gorgeous because Gabby talks about seeing her aunties and her
Speaker 1: mom and the women in the Bronx that would leave
Speaker 1: their softness at home and how much she wanted to
Speaker 1: push that onto that character and allow her to be soft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she even talked about I mean, I think just people
Speaker 1: in color in general, don't really get the luxury of
Speaker 1: like whenever you cry, it's like, suck it up, don't
Speaker 1: let them see you cry, like you know, you need
Speaker 1: to move on, like we don't have. It's also a
Speaker 1: reason why therapy has been such a debated issue and
Speaker 1: so so taboo and some of these communities, because it's
Speaker 1: just like you don't have the luxury of just going
Speaker 1: of you know, of just they're doing real life things,
Speaker 1: you know, to them. It's like I can't cry about
Speaker 1: I can't go to therapy and cry about depression or
Speaker 1: relationship what I might get shot by the cops. Like
Speaker 1: it's just you know, it's like you're it's it's just
Speaker 1: this this universe, this world in which you're right where
Speaker 1: you you have to constantly be strong at all times.
Speaker 1: And so she talks about that, uh in that Ted talk.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so America. I was introduced to America Chavez
Speaker 1: actually from Christopher Smith Bryant, who is a comedian and
Speaker 1: he's been on a couple of our our episodes. Uh,
Speaker 1: and he I think was reading Young Avengers, like you
Speaker 1: have to read this series. There's like a character you
Speaker 1: have to there's someone in here that I think that
Speaker 1: you're going to really love um. And then I saw
Speaker 1: her and I'm like, oh cool, she looks like me,
Speaker 1: Like she literally looks like me, and she has my jaw. Um.
Speaker 1: So I was like, dope, another cool thing because I
Speaker 1: get teased about that and I think, uh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think superheroes. Another thing that Gabby talked about and
Speaker 1: that Ted talk is she was like, I don't look
Speaker 1: like a superhero. I don't look like how superheroes have
Speaker 1: been made forever. So I didn't think that that that
Speaker 1: was like something possible for me. Um and for me
Speaker 1: to see like, oh, she has you know, thick curly hair,
Speaker 1: she has gorgeous lips, she has like you know, all
Speaker 1: of these things that I think are are are beautiful
Speaker 1: but have been kind of shut out of strong, full body,
Speaker 1: like you know, I'm just excited to see it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's all thighs, she's she is um okay. So, so
Speaker 1: diving into the character of America, did one of you
Speaker 1: want to talk a little bit about her back story?
Speaker 1: I don't like where she comes from or her personality. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: so backstory. She's from an alternate dimension called Utopia. She
Speaker 1: was Autopian parallel Utoonian parallel, and she was raised by
Speaker 1: two moms, uh, which if you have one Latina mom,
Speaker 1: you can only imagine how two of them would shape
Speaker 1: you into becoming a human being. And when she was
Speaker 1: six years old, both those moms um when the Utopian
Speaker 1: parallel was under threat, basically sacrifice themselves to close of
Speaker 1: a black hole. And that was when, uh. Shortly thereafter,
Speaker 1: she took it upon herself to stick on her own
Speaker 1: and prove her own abilities as a hero and essentially
Speaker 1: ran away into different dimensions because guess what, she can
Speaker 1: kick holes in a different dimensions. That's one of my
Speaker 1: favorite descriptions of her power because anytime somebody's like, what
Speaker 1: does America do, it's like, she's really strong, and she's
Speaker 1: really fast, and she has superstantama and also she could
Speaker 1: punch holes into different universes and dimensions there in the
Speaker 1: shape of stars. Yeah. And then she eventually joined the
Speaker 1: teen Brigade. So when she joined the Teen Brigade, initially
Speaker 1: it was to help um free the in between her
Speaker 1: because I believe he was under Loki's clutches at the time.
Speaker 1: Um Or Loki was trying to recruit him and she
Speaker 1: was almost she was basically co lead of the Team
Speaker 1: Brigade Team Brigade with Ultimate Nulla Fire, and that's kind
Speaker 1: of when she also started to experiment with her sexuality
Speaker 1: because she briefly had like a fling with him. They kissed,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't really her thing. Eventually, with the Team Brigade,
Speaker 1: it let down. It like led to a battle in
Speaker 1: Latin Area against Doom, and then she at the beginning
Speaker 1: of Young Avengers, which is when you see her again
Speaker 1: later when she chases Young Loki to Earth to one too,
Speaker 1: she only really says about because she abruptly left the
Speaker 1: Teen Brigade. We broke up due to musical differences, and
Speaker 1: that's all she'll say about it. Uh. And then eventually
Speaker 1: from Teen Brigade for when she chases looking down to
Speaker 1: Earth two one two that she finds herself on six
Speaker 1: one six, and that's where we start the Young Avengers. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just I'm looking at something. I didn't
Speaker 1: realize that. She also appeared in the Hawkeye series. Okay,
Speaker 1: it says in a possible future depicted in the second
Speaker 1: volume of the Hawkeye series an adult America, Chavez is
Speaker 1: a member of Shield I wasn't aware of that and
Speaker 1: has taken on the mantle of Captain America. Wouldn't mind
Speaker 1: that happening. Ye, wouldn't mind that happening whole whole bunch.
Speaker 1: That would be holidayptacy. Um. Yeah, she was briefly in
Speaker 1: the hockey comic just because she's very frequently find you
Speaker 1: find her with a Kate Bishop. They're very close, both
Speaker 1: from Young Avengers and several comics onward. Because I know
Speaker 1: there was one arc where she ended up being hunished
Speaker 1: to work for Shield because she broke several intimate interdimensional
Speaker 1: laws by throwing a shark. It's a if you ever
Speaker 1: get a chance, look up why that happened and look
Speaker 1: up those panels. She's just throwing a big gash shark.
Speaker 1: I love that stupid arc so much. Um. Yeah, So, Tony,
Speaker 1: what were some of your favorite moments from Like America
Speaker 1: that you remember reading? I remember just well. The whole
Speaker 1: premise of it is that we've reached a point past
Speaker 1: you know, her being on Team Brigrade and also being
Speaker 1: part of Young Avengers, and now she's attending college and
Speaker 1: she's going to Soda Mayor University, named after the first
Speaker 1: Latina Supreme Court justice, so do Mayor. And it's like
Speaker 1: there's an actual hologram of judges so to Mayor just
Speaker 1: like greeting the students and saying like, hey, everybody, welcome
Speaker 1: to my university. And I remember, just, um, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the big you know, just spreads, you know,
Speaker 1: the two page spread is a campus map, and that's
Speaker 1: so cool. And I just was like I was actually
Speaker 1: reading this, like I got to know this because I
Speaker 1: eventually want to go to this place. And there's, oh god,
Speaker 1: what is the name of it. It's something called like
Speaker 1: the Department of Radical Women and Intergalactic Indigenous People's or
Speaker 1: something like that. And I just was like, I'm never
Speaker 1: going to read that anywhere else but in this book.
Speaker 1: And I love this book so much because of just
Speaker 1: that one little detail. And from that point, I mean
Speaker 1: that's only I think maybe the fourth or fifth page
Speaker 1: at that point, but at that point, I was just
Speaker 1: I was hooked, and I was just like already, just
Speaker 1: something as simple as just the fact that there is
Speaker 1: a university, you know, filled with like super genius people
Speaker 1: and other people who have abilities, and that is named
Speaker 1: after such a pivotal, you know, person in history, and
Speaker 1: I think is that the comic where we met her
Speaker 1: girlfriend too, well, we meet um. Actually the book starts
Speaker 1: with her reuniting with Lisa, her girlfriend, and it's not
Speaker 1: long before Lisa and America kind of go their separate ways.
Speaker 1: Lisa says, like, you know, we're not heading in the
Speaker 1: same direction, and America just kind of, you know, punches
Speaker 1: a hole into the universe and just goes off. But
Speaker 1: I think I remember her picking her up and is
Speaker 1: that Do you remember that? Which one am I thinking of? Maybe?
Speaker 1: I think where she like shows up on the doorstep
Speaker 1: and she picks her up and takes her to the department. Yeah, yes, no,
Speaker 1: that is the one I'm thinking I remember that. It
Speaker 1: was very like you were saying, it was super soft.
Speaker 1: Here she is picking her up and she's kind of
Speaker 1: like straddling, and then like the next shot is obviously
Speaker 1: like you know, after sex, and you know they're just
Speaker 1: sort of like snuggling in bed and starting out with
Speaker 1: an extremely intimate moment, which was really cool that they
Speaker 1: got to do from Marvel Comics is like huge, you know,
Speaker 1: mainstream thing to have this intimate moment between this this
Speaker 1: superhero and it wasn't played for like you know, salacious value.
Speaker 1: It was just like, no, this is just a really
Speaker 1: sweet moment between two people. This is an opportunity for
Speaker 1: her to allow to put her guard down. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you Vanessa where came into the studio wearing America Javas jacket?
Speaker 1: You want to talk about some of her fashion because
Speaker 1: I know that you love her her cause play is legit,
Speaker 1: like when I love when I see America cause play.
Speaker 1: But what are some of your favorite things that she's
Speaker 1: or some of her favorite outfits? Like, I every single
Speaker 1: person that's like jumped onto the America Chaves story from
Speaker 1: like when we first saw her to like now with
Speaker 1: the West Coast Avengers, everyone's had their turn it like
Speaker 1: because she's a really fun one to like do different
Speaker 1: kinds of fashions and costumes for. But my absolute favorite
Speaker 1: is everything single thing that she wore in The Young
Speaker 1: Avengers running because kind of like the way, like the
Speaker 1: way briand the O'Malley like changes his character's outfits to
Speaker 1: like show where their heads at and what their current
Speaker 1: mission is, there's a lot of that with her. My
Speaker 1: absolute favorite ones is one that I referred to as
Speaker 1: a very danny outfit. She's got like these high waisted
Speaker 1: stretchy black leggings that and she's just like all booty
Speaker 1: and thighs. And she's got like these like high top
Speaker 1: sneakers that are just gorgeous, and this like American flag
Speaker 1: crop top sweatshirt, huge hoops, like a low ponytailer that
Speaker 1: she's always fighting in her hoops. She's always fighting in
Speaker 1: her hoops, or like the one that she initially walked
Speaker 1: in on that inspired the jacket that I'm wearing, which
Speaker 1: is like the little black short shorts and a blue
Speaker 1: shirt with like a star on it, the hoops and
Speaker 1: then just like the curls everywhere she everything that she
Speaker 1: wears has always been very age appropriate, like young style,
Speaker 1: like streetwear. And I think a big part of that
Speaker 1: is that it makes so it makes a reader at home,
Speaker 1: especially like a young Latina reading, it make her feel
Speaker 1: so much more accessible to you because it's not like
Speaker 1: a giant spandex leotard or it's not like a cape.
Speaker 1: It's something where you're just like, that could almost be me.
Speaker 1: What also makes sense that you would fight fight crime
Speaker 1: in that. You know, she's certainly uncomfortable. Yeah, yeah, she's comfortable. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also love that she frequently refers to Loki and that
Speaker 1: comic as Chico because I stand a queen that talks
Speaker 1: down to men. We are going to take a really
Speaker 1: quick break and they're gonna hop back into More America
Speaker 1: Chabas right after this and we're back. So still talking
Speaker 1: about her outfit because we haven't fully covered it yet.
Speaker 1: But one thing we didn't mention that it normally is
Speaker 1: a variation of the flag in some way. Yes. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's usually like there's quite a few where she has
Speaker 1: like a trucker hat where it's like the fallon American
Speaker 1: flag on the front. It's very like a full denim
Speaker 1: outfit era early two thousands, Brittany. Uh, like the mesh
Speaker 1: bag trucker hat with the flag in the front. Those
Speaker 1: Von Dutch hats, She's got a Von Duch hat. Von
Speaker 1: Dutch store on Melrose is open for business. I walked
Speaker 1: in and I was like, Wow, this is so timeful.
Speaker 1: They can pay like two dollars for those hats anymore.
Speaker 1: Let me tell Popping again and I have that. I
Speaker 1: know that. Oh my gosh, I'm looking and I am
Speaker 1: not liking okay, um sorry, yeah. So so, red, white
Speaker 1: and blue is typically a part of her outfit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because a big part of it is she the Miss
Speaker 1: American Moniker is very much like like you had brought
Speaker 1: up earlier during your break that it's very much a
Speaker 1: manage to Metal and Joyce. Yes, Um, I think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of I mean, because there's a lot of
Speaker 1: patriotic inventry that can be found just within Marvel comics
Speaker 1: in general, but especially if you're talking about those specific
Speaker 1: characters that have had the America name as a part
Speaker 1: of their name, you know, Steve Rogers, Madaline Joyce, and
Speaker 1: even just talking about how, um, you know, the Puerto
Speaker 1: Rican flag obviously a derivative of the American flag, And
Speaker 1: I mean there's like a lot to play with there,
Speaker 1: and there's just you know, reading through the Gabby Rivera books,
Speaker 1: you know, just looking at some of the images. I mean,
Speaker 1: because obviously these these artists can just do anything in
Speaker 1: cloth or however they want. So sometimes it's not even
Speaker 1: in the shape of stars or or stripes. Sometimes it's
Speaker 1: a gold eagle patch, you know, on on the on
Speaker 1: the back pocket of her jeans. Maybe it's a choker
Speaker 1: with a white star, and maybe that's more to allude
Speaker 1: to the fact that she punches star portals into you know,
Speaker 1: into the air um. There's just a lot of imagery
Speaker 1: to play with, which is awesome and nice just because
Speaker 1: it's great to see a dark skin Latina character just
Speaker 1: sort of representing the idea of America. Maybe she's not
Speaker 1: representing the United States of America so much, but we
Speaker 1: as the readers are meant to sort of interpret it
Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, It's it's something that you see a
Speaker 1: lot with superhero stories where something like you can even
Speaker 1: trace it act to like Superman, where it's like, on
Speaker 1: my home planet, this means uh, you know, this means X.
Speaker 1: But here this is what it translates to this and
Speaker 1: it just so happens to like coincide with the colors
Speaker 1: and iconography of your country. You see this with Captain Marvel,
Speaker 1: and like those are two examples of Aliens versus the
Speaker 1: Wonder Woman. You know, the whole thing was like, you know,
Speaker 1: her whole red, blue and gold was that, Well, I'm
Speaker 1: going to return you know this, Steve, you know, Steve Trevor,
Speaker 1: back to the you know, to America, and I'm wearing
Speaker 1: America's colors in order to denote that I am an
Speaker 1: ally and not just you know, So there's a lot
Speaker 1: of ways in which comics in general have been able
Speaker 1: to play with the idea of red, white and blue
Speaker 1: and gold and America and the whole like you know,
Speaker 1: just patriotic, you know, paraphernalia. So yeah, it's it's it's
Speaker 1: always it's been frequently used, not so much like because
Speaker 1: Captain America is he's from Aviously, but when it's when
Speaker 1: it's worn by an alien and an alien being, especially
Speaker 1: like America Chava as it's very much like I am
Speaker 1: one of you, I'm an ally and I'm adopting this
Speaker 1: place as my own, and this is my home. And
Speaker 1: it when you see it with characters like um, like
Speaker 1: Wonder Woman, it's impactful, but more so especially when it's
Speaker 1: like a character that's coated as Latina, because it's very
Speaker 1: much like, this is the home that I've adopted and
Speaker 1: I am like I'm I protect you now, um, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm one of I'm one of you. I love it
Speaker 1: is because it kind of reminds me of on a
Speaker 1: fourth of July this year, I want to go see
Speaker 1: a wrestling show, and one of the main through lines
Speaker 1: that they had was it was like a tea party
Speaker 1: style thing, but the people that were defending America were
Speaker 1: luchadors wearing American flag masks. So it's one of those
Speaker 1: like it's one of those things where you like see
Speaker 1: an amalgamation of two worlds where it's like you don't
Speaker 1: have to be exclusively from here to where the colors
Speaker 1: from here be be one of us. Yeah. One of
Speaker 1: my favorite things that I have framed in my living
Speaker 1: room is her Beyonce cover So America Chaves. We will
Speaker 1: tweet this out if you haven't seen it. They did
Speaker 1: a variant cover of her that matched Beyonce's Lemonade Um
Speaker 1: and I think even they tweeted out when it was
Speaker 1: released and it was like, okay, ladies, let's get information
Speaker 1: and just and it just all it said. It's her
Speaker 1: looking badass as hell, and again she's in a red,
Speaker 1: white and blue. She has the top hat and then
Speaker 1: above it it just says America. And it's so like,
Speaker 1: it's just like this is America. I am America and
Speaker 1: and I represent America and I belong here, and it
Speaker 1: was just so powerful. I like got it and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh. And I'm a couple of them.
Speaker 1: I think I also have um, well Joe Kenons did
Speaker 1: uh it does the artwork for for America with the
Speaker 1: Gabby Rivera run but um and also follow him on
Speaker 1: Instagram just constantly making amazing art. But yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's just so I agree with you all. I just
Speaker 1: love the fact that it just had the singular word
Speaker 1: that it was like America, this is us, this is
Speaker 1: who we are, and it looks like me, And it
Speaker 1: was just so powerful And I'm excited that we're doing
Speaker 1: this episode so more people can find out about her.
Speaker 1: As we were speaking, kind of parallels to Captain America
Speaker 1: and and um then being patriotic. We also get to
Speaker 1: see her punching Hitler. Yes, so that was without question
Speaker 1: or hesitation. Yeah, so that was it needs It's like
Speaker 1: a necessary thing. Like I feel like anytime someone gets
Speaker 1: to write a comment, especially that you know has an
Speaker 1: American Viber character that represents America, it's always I got
Speaker 1: to find that one what we have a wonder woman
Speaker 1: punching um him and Ned and h Captain America and
Speaker 1: all of Yeah. So it's just really great. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so part of her coursework at Soda Mayor University is
Speaker 1: that she takes a class called don't quote me, but
Speaker 1: I think it's called Intergalactic revolution revolutions and you and
Speaker 1: she's given uh an assignment by her teacher that you know,
Speaker 1: you need to figure out how to essentially make a
Speaker 1: revolution successful and how are you going to do that?
Speaker 1: And you're now your project is to go ahead and
Speaker 1: basically research you know, somebody a famous revolutionary throughout you know,
Speaker 1: the entire galaxy that has gone ahead and created a
Speaker 1: successful revolution. And now you're going to basically create some
Speaker 1: sort of project that you know, just shows off everything
Speaker 1: that you've learned. And because she can punch you know,
Speaker 1: portals through time or through space, she's now figured out
Speaker 1: that she can time travel to now and so she
Speaker 1: ends up going back in time World War Two. She
Speaker 1: ends up on the battlefield. She literally pushes Captain America
Speaker 1: out of the way in order to punch Hitler. But
Speaker 1: ultimately the story that's not even the big lead. The
Speaker 1: story is that she meets with Peggy Carter, who basically
Speaker 1: imparts some advice to her about you know, you need
Speaker 1: a plan. You just can't go around punching people as
Speaker 1: satisfying as that maybe, And you know, that's basically the
Speaker 1: rest of the story, and she ends up meeting Storm
Speaker 1: from the X Men the same way too, but it's
Speaker 1: nine eighties punk Storm, which is the best Storm ever.
Speaker 1: So it's yeah, it's just her kind of like going
Speaker 1: through and meeting these amazing women who are able to
Speaker 1: basically impart more whist into her so that way she
Speaker 1: can become a better superhero and a better you know, revolutionary.
Speaker 1: I remember that Ted talk, Gabby was saying that she
Speaker 1: wanted the first black female superhero to meet the first
Speaker 1: queer Latina superhero. Um, and that's why she had that
Speaker 1: introduction with Storm. Yeah, I love eighties Storm too. That
Speaker 1: maybe one of my favorite Storms because I was obsessed
Speaker 1: with her romance with Forge. It's it's my favorite superhero compling.
Speaker 1: Coupling like what forged in the eighties. Telling Storm that
Speaker 1: she's just like a fascinating woman is the version of
Speaker 1: like a dude calling you a rare one today, where
Speaker 1: it's just like, oh man, did I is it warm
Speaker 1: in here? Or did you just compliment my entire being.
Speaker 1: One thing that I forgot to say was that, um,
Speaker 1: this is inspiring. But Gabby actually she wrote Juliet Takes
Speaker 1: a Breath, which was a novel that she wrote and
Speaker 1: after and it had wide praise from Roxanne Gay, from
Speaker 1: like a lot a lot of people that just really
Speaker 1: resonated with it, and so much so that Marvel reached
Speaker 1: out to her. Marvel reached out to her to write it.
Speaker 1: And that kind of reminds me of a tnahs Coat
Speaker 1: who ended up getting to write for Black Panther because
Speaker 1: he had between the World and Me and his other works,
Speaker 1: and then it was kind of just like he was
Speaker 1: given this opportunity to write. I just find that so
Speaker 1: fascinating that you don't necessarily have to go specifically into comics.
Speaker 1: If you're a great storyteller, you know you have that opportunity.
Speaker 1: That's what they're looking for. So that has a unique
Speaker 1: I hate saying this because it is what they say
Speaker 1: to us in UM and like meetings, like you have
Speaker 1: a unique worldview, and it's like, no, it's not, actually,
Speaker 1: it's just that it's something that you personally haven't seen before.
Speaker 1: But um, what I would like to say is experience
Speaker 1: someone that has experiens in a story to tell. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I loved I love that as well, that they
Speaker 1: that they hit her up about that America is such
Speaker 1: an interesting vehicle for whoever writes for her, because you
Speaker 1: can really see what their passion points in identity are.
Speaker 1: Because in her run with Gabby Rivera, you can really
Speaker 1: see that a lot of what Gabby wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about is just like really showing like the strong Latina's
Speaker 1: in her life. And one of the things I really
Speaker 1: love about her and the Young Avengers run is she's
Speaker 1: the kind of character I wish I saw in things
Speaker 1: like the Buffy and Charmed verse as a kid, where
Speaker 1: very frequently the Latina characters were you were usually like
Speaker 1: magical helpers that would just kind of exist as like
Speaker 1: something that was killed off or like a wacky best friend.
Speaker 1: Pretty quickly, I wanted to see like that surly bad
Speaker 1: girl that was more about punching than talking it out,
Speaker 1: and so I got to got to get that a
Speaker 1: lot in like some of her teen stories, just because
Speaker 1: very frequently we're assistants were not the story. Um. What
Speaker 1: I also love about it is that she's really grounding
Speaker 1: the story and this idea of exploring ancestral knowledge and
Speaker 1: it's you know, the vehicle being you know, time travel
Speaker 1: and dimensional travel, where she does get to meet Peggy
Speaker 1: Carter and storm, and eventually it does lead to her
Speaker 1: discovering that she has a grandmother, a surviving grandmother, um,
Speaker 1: and she goes on this journey of just self discovery
Speaker 1: and you know, self affirmation to you know, discover that
Speaker 1: there is more in her than she realizes that she
Speaker 1: does have family and that she does have a connection.
Speaker 1: And because she really does start you know, the story
Speaker 1: just sort of believing that she's very much alone. Lisa
Speaker 1: has broken up with her she's literally living in a
Speaker 1: van as opposed to living in a dorm with a
Speaker 1: roommate because she just feels so disconnected from everything and
Speaker 1: everybody else. And by the end of it, you know,
Speaker 1: we found that she not only has you know, friends,
Speaker 1: but she has real allies, and that she has people
Speaker 1: that are willing to not only show up for a fight,
Speaker 1: but just show up for you know, for her, just
Speaker 1: even just to hang out and just tell her that
Speaker 1: we think you're awesome and cool and we think you're
Speaker 1: amazing and you shouldn't know that and if you don't,
Speaker 1: that's just silly. And it was just so great to
Speaker 1: just see something that was like, you know, we're talking
Speaker 1: about star portals and you know, interdimensional travel, but at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's just about a girl
Speaker 1: discovering that she has family and friends. And I thought
Speaker 1: that was just like, it's such a I don't need
Speaker 1: you coming from me, Gabby. I really don't and I'm
Speaker 1: not so alone, but thank you. I appreciated all the same.
Speaker 1: Did you all want to talk about some of her powers?
Speaker 1: I know we talked about her punching through portals. Uh
Speaker 1: so she has self propelled flight, which is pretty neat.
Speaker 1: She has ability to fly at superhuman speeds. Uh speaking of,
Speaker 1: she has superhuman speed. She can run and move at
Speaker 1: phenomenal speeds, which Monica Rambo also very excited that she's
Speaker 1: in this world. If you all don't know or weren't
Speaker 1: paying attention, there was a little girl named Monica in
Speaker 1: the Big Captain Marvel movie that y'all watched, and who
Speaker 1: is going to be now a big girl named Monica,
Speaker 1: which they announced at the Marvel panel, so very like.
Speaker 1: When I saw her with her little Monica necklace, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, it's coming fast forward to now.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is in the nineties. Let me
Speaker 1: do math. She's going to be thirty two, thirty five.
Speaker 1: She's good I was like, I know what's going to
Speaker 1: happen next. Um So Monica, who is also in UH
Speaker 1: in this series with with America, was stunt at how
Speaker 1: fast she was moving, even after transcending into light form
Speaker 1: where everything stands still. Uh. And then she also has
Speaker 1: superhuman strength, which we've touched on a little bit. UH.
Speaker 1: But she appears to easily tear through large metal doors
Speaker 1: off their hinges, nearly bested Loki who was a god.
Speaker 1: And she also has a power stop. I love the
Speaker 1: power staff. The power stomp is like the power of Stomp.
Speaker 1: And also let me mention that that shark I said
Speaker 1: she threw earlier was a megalodown wasn't like a regular shark.
Speaker 1: It was like the big daddy of sharks. I love
Speaker 1: that so many of her powers aren't like as delicate
Speaker 1: as it because like typically when you see female superheroes,
Speaker 1: we tend to be very like delicate. It's it's usually
Speaker 1: like like an energy blast where we don't have to
Speaker 1: use flexible. We're flexible. We'll literally not have bones for you.
Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, these are superheroes that I adore,
Speaker 1: but the usually when you see male superheroes, they have
Speaker 1: such a big spectrum of what their powers are, and
Speaker 1: we tend to be under the realm of pretty and
Speaker 1: delicate and artful. And she's brute strength, Like they draw
Speaker 1: her that way. It's not like, oh, man, crazy that
Speaker 1: she's lifting that car. You see muscles flex, you see
Speaker 1: her leg tense out, but she like stomps into the
Speaker 1: ground and opens up a portal. It's it's a lot
Speaker 1: of like that brute strength that you don't really get
Speaker 1: to see in female superheroes, and it's a lot in
Speaker 1: the way that she draws it. The muscle flexing is
Speaker 1: what I really love in her abilities. Yeah. So she's bulletproof,
Speaker 1: flame retardant, Um, can survive in the vacuum of space unaided. UM.
Speaker 1: Loki actually referred to her as a nearly indestructible superwoman.
Speaker 1: So uh. And then like we talked about, she has
Speaker 1: portal crea actually star portal creation where she has the
Speaker 1: rare ability to smash open star shaped portals that enable
Speaker 1: her to transverse the multiverse. Uh. And then she has
Speaker 1: interdimensional travel, time travel, energy and fusion, where the closer
Speaker 1: she is to the Utopian parallel makes her stronger. UM.
Speaker 1: And then she has hyper cosmic awareness, much like the
Speaker 1: rest of the Ultimates team, where essentially she has metaphysical
Speaker 1: insight to the goings on of the multiverse at large.
Speaker 1: She's like a Peter Tinkle. Peter Tingle is this isn't
Speaker 1: from this dimension. It's not like in the high school
Speaker 1: or the school bus. It's like in the galaxy. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: Like they use that a lot in the Young Aventers
Speaker 1: are because there's a lot of like interdimention and inter
Speaker 1: reality style stories. Um, there's even ones where things like
Speaker 1: exist outside of the panels that they're currently in and
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to look into it. So
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like conversations on reality, and she's
Speaker 1: the one that understands it the most, even more so
Speaker 1: than Loki sometimes because he is also kind of the
Speaker 1: one that broke it sort of read the book. It's
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ties in into it, but there's
Speaker 1: a part where everyone's dead parents come back, and she's
Speaker 1: the only one that realizes, like, these aren't my parents,
Speaker 1: They're not from here, and I can sense that. Oh
Speaker 1: she's also six ft hell yeah, hell yeah. She's like
Speaker 1: picking up men left and right, um, tossing him a lot.
Speaker 1: I just I love that. I love her friendship with Prodigy.
Speaker 1: They're very cute. To god, yeah, they're well. First off,
Speaker 1: I was just excited to see Prodigy in general, just
Speaker 1: because it's like, for those of you that don't remember prodigies, uh.
Speaker 1: Power used to be that he would u mimic the
Speaker 1: knowledge of the people around him in the close Vicinity,
Speaker 1: but this would ultimately frustrate him and he would basically
Speaker 1: become very obsessed about retaining the knowledge, so he would
Speaker 1: have to relearn everything that he had in his head
Speaker 1: at one point, and it made him very intelligent, very ambitious,
Speaker 1: but he was unfortunately a victim of the House of Him,
Speaker 1: the depower, the depower of all the mutants in the world,
Speaker 1: um or most of the mutants in the world, i
Speaker 1: should say. And to see him pop up, I was
Speaker 1: just like, of course you're here. Of course you are.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad to see him. And it's so awesome too,
Speaker 1: just because because he was written as someone who was
Speaker 1: very frustrated and ambitious, he was also written very cold
Speaker 1: in previous stories, and to see him here, it's like, no,
Speaker 1: he's obviously moved past it. He's a young you know,
Speaker 1: adult in college, ready to go ahead and learn and
Speaker 1: prove himself. Uh, not only as a unpowered being or whatever.
Speaker 1: They they say something about the fact of like, oh,
Speaker 1: what are you here, and he's like, do you think
Speaker 1: only superpowered people are year Like, no, like, we're all
Speaker 1: here and we all have something to contribute, something along
Speaker 1: those lines. And I just thought it was like, of
Speaker 1: course you'd be here. Of course you would be saying that.
Speaker 1: I love that, It's amazing. But I did want to
Speaker 1: touch on real quick about her, um, her powers, of
Speaker 1: the fact that she is drawn to be just like
Speaker 1: an incredibly strong person, like physically strong person. Um growing up,
Speaker 1: you know, the product of a Mexican Catholic mother who
Speaker 1: was very very insistent on me being as lady like
Speaker 1: as possible, and her being constantly disappointed that I wasn't
Speaker 1: because I was just always like trying to like play
Speaker 1: on the playground and you know, be a power ranger
Speaker 1: or whatever it is that the the other kids wanted
Speaker 1: to be that day. Um. God, I so wish I
Speaker 1: had her like as a kid, because I didn't. All
Speaker 1: I had were like barbies and like Jim. As awesome
Speaker 1: as Jim was. She was also a very pretty character.
Speaker 1: I didn't have brutes, you know, just the brute strength,
Speaker 1: you know, female character to look up to, because any
Speaker 1: of those characters that did exist in comics at that point,
Speaker 1: they were jokes, you know, they were like, oh here's
Speaker 1: you know, um god, like a candy. You know, if
Speaker 1: they were in small and delicate than they were written
Speaker 1: as like, oh, this is the fat friend or this
Speaker 1: is like, you know, the the two tom boyish to
Speaker 1: even consider feminine. You know, she's not even usually shaved
Speaker 1: their heads exactly. And it just was like, Oh, how
Speaker 1: great is that. She's super strong and she's pretty, And
Speaker 1: I just so wish I would have had that to
Speaker 1: be like, see, mom, I could be whatever I want.
Speaker 1: And you know what, the closest thing that I feel
Speaker 1: like we had was Spinelli sell my Heart. Yeah, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, Like I literally was her. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's so sarcastic, she doesn't care about these guys. Um.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that her name was Ashley? Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they made her during the Ashley's my middle name is Ashley.
Speaker 1: And watching that was like a whole experience for me,
Speaker 1: and I was like, there is hope for me. I
Speaker 1: can still be Spinelli even our nineties kids. Spinelli was
Speaker 1: from recess Um. Actually I dressed up as Spinelli one.
Speaker 1: It was really cute. Dope. Yeah, I was trying to
Speaker 1: think of superheroes that we had growing up. I have one.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, go she's a villain. Rita Repulsa, totally, totally.
Speaker 1: If you watch Power Rangers growing up, Rita Repulsa the
Speaker 1: big badge. She's a Latina. Uh and very frequently my
Speaker 1: eye regles I claimed Carmen san Diego. Yes, yeah, I
Speaker 1: think she was. She was yeah, well yeah, um, and
Speaker 1: like like you know, I think they originally were like
Speaker 1: kind of ethnically ambiguous, and then you know, obviously now
Speaker 1: with Gina Rodriguez on it like no, she's our anyven
Speaker 1: closest that we can grab anything that we can possibly take.
Speaker 1: She would claiming her, you can't have her, and uh
Speaker 1: but yeah, Carmen San Diego is the only other Latina
Speaker 1: that I could think of that I I would say, um,
Speaker 1: Catherine Zada Jones and Zoro, but nope, not not heartbroken.
Speaker 1: I was to discuss that, and I was like, that's
Speaker 1: how I feel about um. I can't remember his name,
Speaker 1: but Shades and Luke Cage, you know, yeah, we still
Speaker 1: don't have a ton of we still are fighting for
Speaker 1: our roles. So it's it's difficult when someone's portraying one
Speaker 1: of us and they're not one of us, just because
Speaker 1: it it is heartbreaking to be like, oh so I
Speaker 1: can't actually be it. Yeah, Like, as much as I
Speaker 1: love Di Palma, one of the biggest like Latino characters
Speaker 1: is played by someone Italian because very frequently with castings,
Speaker 1: what most people consider to be Latino is Italian close enough,
Speaker 1: And I do want to say that's an issue with casting. Um,
Speaker 1: I try not to fault Like also when Latino's take
Speaker 1: like different uh ethnic like different roles and stuff, and
Speaker 1: you know a lot of times that's that's because it's
Speaker 1: only the only thing that they're allowed to take. Like
Speaker 1: some of these people would be like why did you
Speaker 1: take this where you play a criminal? And yeah, we've
Speaker 1: seen the gamut of that, Like we've seen that so much.
Speaker 1: But I don't necessarily fault them at times when it's
Speaker 1: like you need to pay your rent and that's like
Speaker 1: all that they're giving you. Yeah, and not only that,
Speaker 1: it's like I'm loving that what we're starting to see
Speaker 1: two is Latino roles where maybe it's like kind of
Speaker 1: like Read Repulsa, where it's like it's a villain, but
Speaker 1: the villain isn't like a villain because they're Latino. They're
Speaker 1: just a Latino villain. Yeah, and they're but like look
Speaker 1: at look at Cohn in Star Trek, Like, yeah, Cohn
Speaker 1: is a villain, but he was the kind of villain
Speaker 1: where it's not like he like I I completely understand
Speaker 1: that in but it's also like there's certain characters that
Speaker 1: we got to have where we can get to sink
Speaker 1: our teeth into a villain and we're just an intergalactic
Speaker 1: villain as opposed to like for who we are, and
Speaker 1: it's lovely that we still have those padded through history. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have to take another quick break and then we're
Speaker 1: going to hop back into America Chaves. Right after this
Speaker 1: we're back, we're still talking about my Kachavez Vanessa. Did
Speaker 1: you want to walk people through a force that she
Speaker 1: was a part of? Yeah, a force? Um, I believe
Speaker 1: it was twenty fifteen. It was shortly after the Young
Speaker 1: Avengers run where uh in the Ultimate Series third run.
Speaker 1: I want to say it was like right after that, Um,
Speaker 1: she was on an all female team that included Captain
Speaker 1: Marvel and I. Their dynamic back and forth was really
Speaker 1: fun to watch because both of them are very like,
Speaker 1: this is how we have to do it, and why
Speaker 1: are the people around us not being as sensible as
Speaker 1: our choices are. There's some really great panels from the
Speaker 1: A Force run of all of these like female superheroes
Speaker 1: together that Danny you had touched on during the break
Speaker 1: a little bit where people had speculated the game that
Speaker 1: was the tease to A Force. Uh, and that is
Speaker 1: I can't believe I keep coming back to this, but
Speaker 1: it was the thing that eventually led up to the shark. Uh,
Speaker 1: We're what a crime? And then she ends up being
Speaker 1: arrested by Thor. So if you're looking for that specific
Speaker 1: come when Narc narc something he would do, um fight
Speaker 1: a shark. That sounds a thousand percent like thor he
Speaker 1: has done that hit someone with a shark. He should
Speaker 1: know better. Marvel Rising Marvel Rising is animated series that
Speaker 1: we get to see these characters come to life. So
Speaker 1: in it America Chavez, She's in Marvel Rising Secret Warriors.
Speaker 1: She's voiced by Sierra Ramirez and uh yet dope, it's
Speaker 1: dope as hell. So in this the Cree have come
Speaker 1: to America's home planet when she was young and encouraged
Speaker 1: the inhumans there to fight each other. The planet was
Speaker 1: on the brink of destruction. America wanted to join them
Speaker 1: in the battle, but her mom's teleported her to safety
Speaker 1: and she was never the same after that. Umle Rising
Speaker 1: is still one. Yeah. Oh also it has uh, it
Speaker 1: has a Milana vont Yes, a squirrel girl, um Marvel Rising.
Speaker 1: If you haven't seen it, and you either you want
Speaker 1: to watch it or if you have like young girls
Speaker 1: in your household, it's a really fun one to strut
Speaker 1: them on Marvel with. Um. I my nieces eight and
Speaker 1: I got her hooked on a Marvel Rising. Sorry parents, uh,
Speaker 1: because now she demands it. Um. But it's basically it
Speaker 1: starts off with squirrel, squirrel girl, uh, Miss Marvel, Spider Gwen,
Speaker 1: and those are the first three that you see, um,
Speaker 1: and then it slowly adds more of these characters that
Speaker 1: we don't really get to see a lot of. And
Speaker 1: I know they added American trave as for like a
Speaker 1: specific I think it was like a movie or like
Speaker 1: a longer episode essentially that they did for Marvel Rising.
Speaker 1: But it is such a great one for like the
Speaker 1: young girls in your life where they're like, I want
Speaker 1: to get into Marvel, but you know some of the
Speaker 1: story yeah, where they start and some of the story
Speaker 1: arcs might be a little heavier. There's like a little
Speaker 1: bit too much backstory to go through, and there's a
Speaker 1: lot for them to jump on. Yeah. So Marvel Rising
Speaker 1: is on the Disney Channel and Disney XD, and Disney
Speaker 1: XD has been killing it, killing it. That's where we
Speaker 1: got to see Myles Morales first before he wasn't at least,
Speaker 1: you know, animated, before he was into the Spider Verse
Speaker 1: and Spider Gwen. They're really crushing. They're really crushing if
Speaker 1: you haven't turned over to Disney XD. They've got a
Speaker 1: lot over there. The Guardians like a cartoon is also
Speaker 1: really fun. They're they're really spearheading some great animation. Anyways, Disney,
Speaker 1: I know you love me because I'm with one of y'all,
Speaker 1: So I just need to slide my way in there. Um.
Speaker 1: I mean, I used to live in Orlando, I used
Speaker 1: to work at Walt Disney World, and I remember when
Speaker 1: you know, the big concern was how are we going
Speaker 1: to get boys into Disney? How are we going to
Speaker 1: get boys into the Disney theme parks? And of course
Speaker 1: this is you know, before they acquired Marvel, and the
Speaker 1: just was you know, once that the merger was announced,
Speaker 1: you know, or acquisition was announced, it was like, well, yeah, obviously,
Speaker 1: but it was even then it was still such a
Speaker 1: concern of like is this gonna work. I'm like, of
Speaker 1: course it's gonna work. Well, it's really fascinating. And some
Speaker 1: of these like studio meetings and things that I do
Speaker 1: is that Nickelodeon is seen as the boys channel, Disney
Speaker 1: is seen as the girls channel, and a lot of
Speaker 1: people still a lot of old school people still view
Speaker 1: it that way. But it's so not the I mean again,
Speaker 1: like i haven't worked at the theme parks in a while,
Speaker 1: but I still you know, go quite a bit both,
Speaker 1: you know, California and Florida because I'm originally from Florida,
Speaker 1: even though I live now in California. You know, everybody
Speaker 1: shows up, you know, men, women, boys, girls, you know,
Speaker 1: no matter your your gender or you know, your your
Speaker 1: your your race, your culture, you know, people show up.
Speaker 1: They want to have a good time because they do
Speaker 1: buy into the idea that you know, Disney is for everybody,
Speaker 1: and now that Disney has sort of you know, there
Speaker 1: was the concern, you know, once they acquired Marvel, Star
Speaker 1: Wars some of these other you know, properties of like,
Speaker 1: oh no, how are they going to Disney by them?
Speaker 1: They're not. That's not what they're there to do. They
Speaker 1: know how to do Disney. What they need is what
Speaker 1: you do. They needed Marvel, they really did, and I
Speaker 1: just love that now they've applied the same philosophy of
Speaker 1: Marvel is for everyone, and now we're finally seeing that,
Speaker 1: you know, with the Disney XD and with these animated
Speaker 1: shows in of course, with Phase four and Phase five
Speaker 1: coming up in the m c U, of the idea
Speaker 1: of this really does need to be for everybody and
Speaker 1: we need to make a serious commitment to that. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: so the future of America UM, that sounds really Dante.
Speaker 1: The future of America travez uh. My guess is that
Speaker 1: she'll show up live action first and probably a Disney
Speaker 1: Plus property, probably before the m c U, but possibly
Speaker 1: the m c U UM. But yeah, I imagine that
Speaker 1: she might show up in one of those first. I
Speaker 1: was just gonna say, with the timeline at the m
Speaker 1: c U um has already put forth because there is
Speaker 1: a chronological linear timeline happening. I think we're on track
Speaker 1: for Young Avengers, the age group, just of what's happening.
Speaker 1: And you know, of course we also have to consider,
Speaker 1: you know, how they're going to also integrate Fantastic four
Speaker 1: an X Men if they choose to go ahead and
Speaker 1: integrate them into the m c U in general. But
Speaker 1: I think because now Disney Plus is such a priority
Speaker 1: for Disney, I definitely think that they are going to
Speaker 1: try to go ahead and aim her for that first
Speaker 1: and then finally see if they can finally make you know,
Speaker 1: the guys stomping cowards, like put your TV characters in
Speaker 1: the m c U. Go ahead, you can have both.
Speaker 1: You can have a character show up in the show
Speaker 1: and in the movies, like we only have one so far,
Speaker 1: and that's Jarvis. That's the only time it's ever happened
Speaker 1: so far. It happened in game they own, and it's like,
Speaker 1: that's a shame. And I know that there's probably all
Speaker 1: kinds of you know, technicalities with contracts and who owns
Speaker 1: what's and if it was on Netflix or ABC and
Speaker 1: whether or not they can do that but um, I
Speaker 1: think that if I think it's the smart way to go,
Speaker 1: I I would love it for them to do Young Avengers.
Speaker 1: I think with what has already been announced and the
Speaker 1: storylines and the relationships that we know about American Javez,
Speaker 1: I'm and if that happens, I'm happy that it's recorded
Speaker 1: on audio. Percent think her first appearance will be uh
Speaker 1: in the Hawkeye series right because of her friendship with
Speaker 1: Kate Bishop, because we've already confirmed that the Hawkeye series
Speaker 1: it is about Barton, but we are going to see Kate.
Speaker 1: The intro is basically in like the David Aja style
Speaker 1: of Hawkeyes, so we know that's the one that we're
Speaker 1: going with. And if it's that Age Kate, that Age
Speaker 1: Kate is very close friends because of Young Avengers with
Speaker 1: America Chavez, they keep contact, they talk back and forth.
Speaker 1: They even if they're not in the same dimension, they
Speaker 1: still find a way to contact each other. Uh, They're
Speaker 1: they're very much they revolve around each other's lives. So
Speaker 1: I think if we're going to see her anywhere, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be the Hawkeyes series. First. All I know is
Speaker 1: that Kevin Figy, he didn't interview UH some you know,
Speaker 1: with an overseas um outlet, and they specifically asked him like,
Speaker 1: you know, do you have plans for Comma And he's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, there are definite at plans. You know, it
Speaker 1: looks like she said that she wanted her in the sequel.
Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah, that'd be amazing. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know if we're gonna go with her being you know,
Speaker 1: you know Kamala, you know, she got her powers not
Speaker 1: as a mutant, but through the Terrigen mists. I don't
Speaker 1: know if we've abandoned that now that MCU now has
Speaker 1: the mutant name back in the stable, I don't know
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do with that. Interesting because that event,
Speaker 1: you know, because I don't know if you guys were
Speaker 1: watching Agents of Shield, but that's how they were figuring
Speaker 1: out how to get around the mutant problem because uh,
Speaker 1: the X Men were was over at Fox. They couldn't
Speaker 1: use the word mutant, so they couldn't use you know, oh,
Speaker 1: this enhanced you know, that's how they were getting around it.
Speaker 1: Oh this enhanced person. Yeah. And now that you know,
Speaker 1: we can go ahead and just say like, no evolution happened,
Speaker 1: and now people just happened to show up. You know,
Speaker 1: I do think that they are going to eventually, probably
Speaker 1: not in phase four, but definitely in phase five. So
Speaker 1: probably by like twenty three, I think we readily see her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that'd be so cool. So that wraps it up for
Speaker 1: us here. Definitely send us your America art. We will
Speaker 1: show the panel of her throwing the shark. Um, Tony,
Speaker 1: where can everyone find you? Um? You guys can find
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