1 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: School of Humans. 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 2: This show follows the investigation of serial murders and contains 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:10,240 Speaker 2: material that may be disturbing. 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:12,640 Speaker 3: Listener discretion advised. 5 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: In June of twenty sixteen, while Mirinda and her two 6 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: children were locked up in custody in krueger'stor the South 7 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: African Police Service hastened its investigation. They had LaRue and 8 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: Marcel on solid charges, including photographic evidence that showed them 9 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: taking money out of accounts belonging to two of the 10 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: murder victims, Anthony Schofield and Hanley Lattigan. Initially, Marinda coached 11 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: them to keep feeding the cops the story that they 12 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: had been working for drug dealers. The kids knew that 13 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: not doing as they were instructed was a matter of 14 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: life day. Eventually, Marinda and Cecilia decided that LaRue should 15 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:05,559 Speaker 1: take the fall. 16 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 4: Le Rustain made a confession that he's the only person 17 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 4: that killed the Appointment murders. 18 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: LaRue and Marcel's statements were taken on June twenty fifth, 19 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, two days after the arrest. Detective Ben Boysen 20 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: was briefed on this interview and read LaRue's statement. The 21 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: seasoned investigator wasn't buying his story for a second. 22 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 4: With him being about sixty five sciety kilograms, it's impossible 23 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 4: that they would have been able to kill The two 24 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 4: men picked him up, loaded him in a vehicle, drove 25 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 4: away with that vehicle is not strong enough to do that. 26 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 4: It's totally not possible. 27 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: Both Marcel and LaRue remained in custody, but the police 28 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: needed more serious charges to keep Mirinda behind bars when 29 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: there was no new evidence to report. After a few 30 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: days in jail, Marinda had her day in court. The 31 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: case involving the pot plant was delayed, making way for 32 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: the larger claims against her like insurance fraud and murder. 33 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: When she got out, Marinda immediately filed her third lawsuit 34 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: against the police for wrongful arrest. This time she promised 35 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: LaRue that she would push for resolution and use any 36 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: award from the claim to bail him out. It was 37 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: starting to look like the Kruger's door of killers would 38 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: once again walk free, but detective Ben Boysen worked overtime 39 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: to make sure that didn't happen. The case quickly took 40 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: over his life. 41 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 4: I took on one off my rooms in my house 42 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 4: and I made that to wardroom and I start working 43 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 4: day at night. I neverted it. You know, sometimes my 44 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 4: wife will wake up two o'clock in the morning and 45 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 4: I'm not in baten, so she comes in there and 46 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 4: take me on my ear and take me back to 47 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 4: bath and said, listen, need to go and freaking sleep. 48 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: It didn't take long for Ben and Manny Victor's task 49 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: team to connect the dots between LaRue, Marcel, Marinda, and 50 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: Cecilia and recognized the mayhem that EPD had been adjacent 51 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: to for the past four years. Digging a little deeper, 52 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: they discovered the open claim with Discovery Life. Cecilia was 53 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: waiting to collect Zach Valentine's insurance payout. 54 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 4: And at that state, Zach Valentine was still missing because 55 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 4: I told he was. They burned out in Pietre Steit. 56 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: Which then led them to look into Jared Jackson's murder. 57 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: The details surrounding his death also appeared immediately suspicious in 58 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: Ben's eyes. 59 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 4: His arms was full of cutting marks, he only had 60 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 4: socks on, no shoes. It cannot be suicide. Something happened 61 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 4: before this. 62 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: Soon enough, there was a warrant out for Zach's arrest, 63 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: and on June twenty sixth, just one day after LaRue's confession, 64 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: the task team received in a non tip. Someone matching 65 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: Zach Valentine's description had been spotted from School of Humans 66 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: and iHeart podcasts This is Queen Havoc and her murder 67 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 1: Cult I'm Your Host Kurt Kubachek episode nine, Only Hope. 68 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: For the six months following Jared Jackson's murder, Zach Valentine 69 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 1: had been in hiding when hotels got too expensive, especially 70 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: without the insurance payout they'd been expecting. He sought shelter 71 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: from a religious charity organization. Here's journalist and author Janna. 72 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 5: Marx Zak has been lying low at kia Kaya, a 73 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 5: Christian ministry. 74 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: Since his arrival. Zach had been using an alias Michael 75 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: de Villers. When law enforcement arrived at the ministry, they 76 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: didn't find Zach right away, but they found his. 77 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 5: Roommate, and at the time of his erased, he was 78 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 5: busy camping at Kiakaya's camping grounds. It was on a 79 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 5: farm near Machalisberg. 80 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: Upon viewing a photo of the suspect, the roommate insisted 81 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: that the man they were looking for was named Michael 82 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: de Villers and that he was currently away camping. Two 83 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: officers from Manny's war room headed to the location. Detective 84 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: Herd Krueger was one of them. 85 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 6: On the place where he was rased, he first gave 86 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 6: up a name that not. 87 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: He's the only nine the task team was prepared. 88 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 6: He had just a lot of tattoos on his back. 89 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 6: Now I had a photo of that and asked him 90 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 6: to turn around. They checked the tattoos and then the 91 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 6: game was over. 92 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 5: They managed to id him as Zach Valentine. That's also 93 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 5: when he then admitted that he was indeed Zach Valentine. 94 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: He was arrested on charges of fraud for faking his 95 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: own death. Then, in another suspicious twist, when Ben went 96 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: searching for information on the suspects, the case files from 97 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: the first four murders had mysteriously gone missing. 98 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 4: The twenty twelve murdered casis that I eventually started investigation, 99 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 4: all those dockets is missing. Built today it's missing. Nobody 100 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 4: knows where it is. All the evidence that was taken 101 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 4: into that twenty twelve investigations, everything's gone. So I had 102 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 4: to restore that in twenty sixteen. 103 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: So, after all that had happened in twenty twelve, Ben 104 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: had only three case files one on the Jared Jackson murder, 105 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: another on Joan and Peter Meyer being robbed and killed 106 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: in their home, and after Zac's arrest, a clear attempt 107 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: at an insurance scam. 108 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 4: So I opened a throat case against Zach for trying 109 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 4: to defraud Discovery, and then I started in mistigations all 110 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 4: on those three docades. 111 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: This fraud case was Ben's only real inroad, the only 112 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: thing unquestionably linking all the perpetrators Zach, Cecilia, and Mirinda 113 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: and eventually LaRue and Marcel too. 114 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 4: Maranda Stein went to Pietre Stein saying that she's the 115 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 4: sister of Zack Valentine, and she gave a false address, 116 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 4: false information for the people at the mortuary, and Cecilia Stein, 117 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 4: who was the sole beneficiary of that Discovery thing, and 118 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 4: knowingly that Zach is now alive, they all were cursed 119 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 4: to commit this fraud. 120 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: On July twenty ninth, twenty sixteen, Cecilia Stein and Mirenda 121 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: Stein were arrested for insurance fraud linked to the killing 122 00:07:58,080 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: of Jared Jackson. 123 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 4: So I luckily arrested them when I opened the fraud case, 124 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 4: so nobody were on the street anymore except for John Barnard. 125 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: Cecilia Stein was finally behind bars, and so was Mirinda. 126 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: This time, as it turned out, for good. Ben wanted 127 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: to interview them right away. 128 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 4: They thought when I arrested them, I arrested him for 129 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 4: the murders, but I never arrested him for the mergers. 130 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 4: And then as soon as I started reading why I 131 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 4: arrested them, you know, they changed. I couldn't believe that 132 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 4: I now arrested in them for fraud because I didn't 133 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 4: approve at that stage about the murders. 134 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: They were being held in the precincts in Kruger's door. 135 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: He brought Christelle with him, as he often did. 136 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 4: On weekends and after hours when I arrested or I 137 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 4: interview women, I always take my wife with because he's 138 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 4: a police officer, and there's always stories when you interview 139 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 4: women alone, your sexual harassment, or you know, you put 140 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 4: praiser on him to say stuff. 141 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: Cristelle and Ben very quickly got a taste of Cecilia's 142 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: manipulation tactics. First, she went for pity. 143 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 4: Cecilia Steins was a freaking clown. She came in with 144 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 4: a bottle oxygen bottle, and she sat down and was 145 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 4: a ute oxygen bottle, and as soon as I told 146 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 4: her why I'm resting her, she suddenly start breathing difficult 147 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 4: and I look at the bottle and I saw that 148 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 4: the pipe from the mass to the bottle was not 149 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 4: even connected. 150 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: Then she went for ridicule. Ben and Cristelle got a 151 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: front row seat to the way Cecilia gnashed her teeth 152 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: when she felt vulnerable. At one point, Ben was taking 153 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: a note trying to spell the word conspiracy, and he 154 00:09:58,120 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: casually asked his wife for help. 155 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 4: She said, how do you spell conspiracy? And she started 156 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 4: laughing in my face and said, you're a fucking idiot. 157 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 4: You can't even spell conspiracy, but you want to send 158 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 4: me to jail. And I just told her, you know 159 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 4: the person who laughed last laugh the loudest. 160 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: Then they pressed Cecilia about Zach and his relationship to 161 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: his wife, Michaela. They had learned about Zach and Cecilia's 162 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:26,479 Speaker 1: intimate relationship. 163 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 7: Being tested her by saying that you found evidence that 164 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 7: Zack and Michaela had intercourse the night she was killed 165 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 7: or the night before she was killed, and Cecilia went like, 166 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 7: it's fucking impossible. From this silly clown what she turned 167 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 7: into a vicious person. She physically transformed in front of 168 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 7: us from this you know, can't breathe and poor person. 169 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 7: She said, it's fucking impossible. It won't happen. 170 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: It sound. 171 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 7: And then said, but why wouldn't they happened? They were 172 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 7: happily married, and she said, and then she came forward 173 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 7: to him and she says, I'm telling you it wouldn't 174 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 7: have happened. 175 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: Christelle chimed in, pushing Cecilia further. 176 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 7: On this, and I said to her, but how would 177 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 7: you have insight into what's happening in this marriage? And 178 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 7: she turned to me again and she said, I'm telling 179 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 7: you it fucking didn't happen. And then all of a sudden, 180 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 7: someone else walked in. She went like this. 181 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: Christelle shook her shoulders as she spoke, like a duck 182 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 1: shaking water off its back. 183 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 7: She you know, she like this, and next question, please, 184 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 7: so we saw that. 185 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,239 Speaker 4: I saw it changed the transformation. 186 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Zach was desperately trying to get out of jail. 187 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 1: All three of them were. Actually they had the right 188 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: to apply for bail since their only charge was odd, 189 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: which is not a capital offense. But Ben kept fighting 190 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: to keep them off the streets. 191 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 4: And luckily I thought all of their bio application Zach 192 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 4: brought about eight of them. 193 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: Bail would mean Zach could walk free. Once released, he'd 194 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: be a likely flight risk and the police might never 195 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: see him again. They gotten lucky to find him the 196 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: first time. Now, prosecutors were considering letting Zach walk. 197 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 4: But because he was the clared date, it's impossible to 198 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 4: give him battle because I'm going to blacklist him on 199 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 4: the airports and stuff like that. So that was a fight, 200 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 4: you know, between me and the prosecutor of the regional court, 201 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 4: trying to keep him in jail. 202 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: During this fight, this back and forth with the state, 203 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: fate finally played a hand in Ben's favor. Ben and 204 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: Cristelle are known as trusted cops in the community and 205 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: got a number of tips from citizens of Kruger's were 206 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: anxious to end the murders. One in particular, though, led 207 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 1: to a windfall. 208 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 4: So one of the people that found my wife's said, 209 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 4: I must go to Arundos classroom to see what's happening 210 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 4: in a classroom. 211 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: On August ninth, twenty sixteen, Ben Christelle and a fellow 212 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: officer from the Krugery store. Police headed over to the 213 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: high school where Mirinda taught English. Turns out we were 214 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: there interviewing Ben exactly five years to the day that 215 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: this happened. 216 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 4: I actually arranged it for today. That's Women's Day in 217 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 4: South Africa today, exactly today, because there will be no 218 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 4: children and at school. 219 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: The headmaster was resistant at first, explaining that Mirinda was 220 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: one of the best teachers at the school. The kids 221 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: all loved her. Detective Ben boys and casually threatened the 222 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: headmaster that if he didn't comply, Ben could return with 223 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: a proper search warrant on a school day and conduct 224 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: his search in front of all the kids. The principal 225 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: didn't have to think long. He led them down the 226 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: empty hallways toward Merinda's classroom. It's a large room with 227 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: multiple sections and storage closets with stoves in them. 228 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 4: I said, to the old place, but I didn't know 229 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 4: what to look for. I look for laptops and I 230 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,040 Speaker 4: look for papers, I look for photos. I look for 231 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 4: anything that I can link to what they were doing. 232 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: Ben almost gave up. The headmaster was skeptical of the cops, 233 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: and Ben certainly didn't want to waste anyone's time. 234 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 4: I couldn't find anything, and eventual I went to sit 235 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 4: down with the eight most of them, I said, it's Souri. 236 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 4: It seems to meet. It's false information. 237 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: But something was still nagging at Ben, so before he left, 238 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: he decided to take one last look around. 239 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 4: We all stood up and on the way out told 240 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 4: another lady from Cruiser Detective Unit. 241 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: It was with me. 242 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 4: I just want to go through all the rooms again. 243 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 4: And I went into the rooms and I checked and 244 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 4: I checked, and eventually I went to the left front room. 245 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 4: There was a lot of stuff laying around there, but 246 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 4: there was these two stoves standing in the middle of 247 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 4: the premises, and something just told me go and open 248 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 4: the ovens. 249 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: Merenda's room was a repurposed home economics classroom. 250 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 4: And as soon as I opened the ovens, I found 251 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 4: all this ammunition and machine to reload. Then they ate 252 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 4: master also turned and was on outside there because it 253 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 4: was not on the police side from the beginning. 254 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: He continued his search and discovered a bullet reloading kit, 255 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: shotgun shells, nine millimeter bullets and then red tipped rubber 256 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: bullets only used by specially trained police officers, and sold 257 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: what was Marnda doing with guns and AMMO, some of 258 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: which was from the heyday of South Africa's violent apartheid 259 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: passed and in a high school, no less, How did 260 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: a school teacher wind up with military grade weaponry? When 261 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: he was done, he lined up all the AMMO on 262 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: a school desk. The principal was shocked to silence as 263 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: the veteran cops stared at the amateur arsenal. He had 264 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: a new concern. Were there cops helping these killers? The 265 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: only people who have access to this kind of ordinance 266 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: are people with a badge. The next domino fell that 267 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: same day after he called the task team in to 268 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: gather evidence from Mirenda's classroom. 269 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 4: Packed it out and we took photos and stuff, And 270 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 4: eventually I think it was his wife. She's working in 271 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 4: the offices day. She came to me and she said, 272 00:16:55,480 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 4: did I know that Maranda changed their will? I knew 273 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 4: nothing about it. 274 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: Mirinda had just recently changed her will. Things had unfolded 275 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: so fast since Marinda's arrest, Plus the twenty twelve case 276 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: files were all missing, so Ben was doing his best 277 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: to catch up. 278 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:19,360 Speaker 4: Osta will you give me the will? Otherwise I must 279 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 4: make a two or five application and force them to 280 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 4: give me the will through the right channels. And luckily 281 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 4: you said them, and I'll give you the will. 282 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: Ben took a statement from the headmaster and his wife 283 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 1: confirming that they were handing over this document of their 284 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: own free will. As they signed the paperwork, Ben read 285 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: over the will. 286 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 4: While reading this will, I knew of good now something 287 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 4: to approach LaRue, because in that will she just owned 288 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 4: the children and she gave everything that is part of 289 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 4: her life to Cecilia Stein. 290 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: But before he had a chance to meet with LaRue, 291 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: the task team made yet another breakthrough. They found the 292 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: sort of hard evidence that would make prosecutors finally believe 293 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: everything Ben had already suspected. 294 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 4: Luckily, in the twenty fifteen sixteen murders, John Barnard took 295 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 4: his cell phone to all the crime scenes. 296 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 1: Detectives Krueger and Violent had been busy tracing the suspects 297 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: and discovered that pings from John Barnard's cell phone matched 298 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 1: the murder map to a t This was the smoking 299 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: gun the cops needed. On August eighteenth, twenty sixteen, John 300 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: Barnard was taken into custody in connection with the insurance 301 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: fraud and his involvement in the murder of Glenn McGregor. 302 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: Here's Commander Hert Krueger. 303 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 6: We erased John Barnard at his work, the Mayers Printing Company, 304 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 6: and while we were driving back like coldn SEMs, we 305 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 6: stopped and John just started confacing. 306 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 1: Barnard confessed to being part of all of the appointment Murners. 307 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 6: I didn't got an officer to take his confession. It 308 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 6: was his first confession that he might after debt the 309 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 6: invasity guiding officer Captain Boisin's didn't just that he repeat 310 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 6: the dead confession in front of him magistrate, just to 311 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 6: give it more power. And John was the first one 312 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,479 Speaker 6: that was convicted and the first one who went to prison. 313 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: Finally, on August nineteenth, the day after John Barnard's confession, 314 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 1: Ben sat down with LaRue. He baited LaRue telling him 315 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: that his mother, Marinda's claim against the police wasn't going 316 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 1: to pay out. There was no way she'd be able 317 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 1: to save him from a life behind bars. He let 318 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: that sink in. Then he told LaRue that Barnard had 319 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: made a full confession at his arraignment hearing, implicating everyone. 320 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: It was a smart move. Ben told LaRue the confession 321 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: would increase his chances of getting a reasonable plea deal. Still, 322 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: LaRue stuck to his story and took to blame for 323 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: all the murders. Then was still not buying it. 324 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 4: For a young boy like that picking up a date 325 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 4: person and llowed him into a vehicle, It's slutally not possible. 326 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: Not only did Ben immediately recognize the improbability of this claim, 327 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 1: but he could see through Laru, see the boy in him, 328 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: a boy who was in way over his head. 329 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 4: While I was speaking to him in prison. I've got 330 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 4: the scenes that he is predicting the people around him. 331 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 1: At first, Larux was agitated, tense, pacing like a cage tiger. 332 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: Detective Ben Boyce and his a father. He thought of 333 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: his own son and how he could reach him when 334 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: he was combative. Here's Gristelle recalling his approach. She refers 335 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: to LaRue by his nickname. Lex. 336 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 2: Paine was friendly to next time, and he was kind 337 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: to Lex, and he was talking, you know, to Lex 338 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 2: with respect, and that turned ultimately turned Lex eventually to say, 339 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 2: but listen, yeah, you are giving me more kindness and 340 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 2: love than I ever experienced from my mother. 341 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: Ben knew that if he was calm with the wayward 342 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: son and asked him why he'd done what he'd done, 343 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: rather than scream at him, he was more likely to 344 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: hear the truth from LaRue. He was right. 345 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 4: I talked to him a lot, and eventually I took 346 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 4: too well out and I put it in front of him, 347 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 4: but the words facing my way, and I asked him 348 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 4: who's antwriting? And he said it's my mother, because she's 349 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 4: got a very very nice antwriting neat and I turned 350 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 4: the paper around and I said, listen, read how much 351 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 4: your mother loved you. 352 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: Harsh right, But Ben's instincts were guiding him. LaRue was 353 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: apt to turn against his mother. Throughout his first couple 354 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: of months in police custody, LaRue had been worried about 355 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: his sister Marcel, who also in custody. He wrote her 356 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: a series of letters pleading with her to come clean, 357 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 1: not to take the rap for their mother, Cecilia or 358 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: any of the others. When Cecilia and Marinda got word 359 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: that one of their puppets was turning on them, they 360 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: tried to kill LaRue. Journalist Maritzka Kotsayer was visiting him 361 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: in jail around this time, reporting on the case, she 362 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: recalled Larux telling her about when his mother brought him medication. 363 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 3: There was one way she apparently took him medication for 364 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 3: his stomach, and it was supposedly two step. So you 365 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 3: know that is a poison that stab one. You take 366 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 3: it in step till you die. Can you imagine living 367 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 3: in fear that your own mother wants to kill it. 368 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 1: It appears that even in jail, LaRue wasn't safe from 369 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 1: Cecilia's wrath. In Mirenda's will, she attested, I'm Marinda stein laradim. 370 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 8: Same mind and wished to recorde my last wishes as 371 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 8: follows every sent and property that I and will become 372 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 8: available at my death. I bequeathed to Cecilia stein nie 373 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 8: seword Kniebrandt to use as she sees fit, whether my 374 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 8: biological children are still in jail or not, whether she 375 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 8: wants to spend it on them or not. It toutally 376 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 8: becomes us. 377 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: As soon as LaRue heard about the change in the will, 378 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: he broke down. Ben's compassionate approach had softened the edges, eroded, 379 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 1: the walls around the roots broken heart. 380 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 4: And then at tisk started coming out here and his 381 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 4: lip stopped going like this, and he stopped crying and 382 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 4: then he said, FuG them. Now I'm going to talk. 383 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 4: And then he told me a lot of stuff where 384 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 4: the guns was hiding and stuff like that, and he 385 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 4: told me about it. Twenty twelve meders. 386 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: After the cathartic confession, Ben did his due diligence and 387 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: got LaRue to repeat it in front of a magistrate. 388 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: Back from the hearing to the jail, Larux is exhausted. 389 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: He fell into this sort of paralyzing exhaustion that is 390 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 1: specific to the fallout from a world crumbling realization. Once 391 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: Laru stopped seeing the world through the lies, Secilia and 392 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: his mother raised him to believe. Laru was free to 393 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: face the truth of what his entire life had been 394 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: and the grim future ahead. The silence hung heavy on 395 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: the drive. Ben, a detective Herd Krueger, sat up front. 396 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: They knew it would be a long time before Laru 397 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: would ever see the world again. 398 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 2: Ben ask him, is there anything you need? And he says, yes, Uncle, 399 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 2: I'm hungry. And Ben asked him what would you like 400 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 2: to eat? And Lex was very confused because he says 401 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,360 Speaker 2: that they could never decide what they wanted to eat. 402 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 2: They always had to eat what Cecilia was prescribing because 403 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 2: that was part of her power. And then he said, 404 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 2: can I please have a pizza and a coke? 405 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: LaRue became emotional, recognizing something that had been missing from 406 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: his life, human kindness. 407 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 2: When we got hold of Marenda's diary, she writes in 408 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 2: her diary as if she's speaking to the person in 409 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 2: the first person. And she wrote in her diary with 410 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 2: regard to Lex and Afrikaans, but I'll translate it into English. 411 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 2: She said, but you sold your soul for a pizza 412 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 2: and a coke. 413 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: This was the beginning of Christelle and Ben kind of 414 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: taking care of the Rue. They would continue to provide 415 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 1: him with emotional support throughout the trial, and over time 416 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 1: they became bonded to him. L Arux even wrote letters 417 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: to Ben while he was in prison. He had no 418 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: one else. 419 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 2: What she doesn't realize is that if you mean so 420 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 2: little to your children that they are willing to sell 421 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 2: you out for a pizzana coke. And this is no 422 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 2: indication of lex but it's indication of how poor mother 423 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 2: she was to the children, and that is what she caused. 424 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 2: Not anyone else. 425 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: Armed with LaRue's confession. Boison and hert Krueger go to 426 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: Cecilia's apartment. Upon entry, they find blood on the carpet. 427 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 4: I saw the stains on the carpet, and then I 428 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 4: got the police to come out and check the stains 429 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,360 Speaker 4: for me for blood, and then we fell into Goldfield's 430 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 4: blood and LaRue's blood inside the premises. So the previous 431 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 4: policemen that were about ten times in that flat then 432 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 4: trains for that to be done. 433 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: Ben and his team also confiscate a whole lot of 434 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: illegal firearms and ammunition stashed in the walls at seventeen 435 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: Cassano Flats. LaRue had been the one to create these 436 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: hidden panels. 437 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 9: And there was a little gap between the cupboards and 438 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 9: the walk and I kind of broke one of the 439 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 9: wooden panels, so the length of the closet then it 440 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 9: made like a little I thought chimney almost, and we're 441 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 9: like push it back and put a panel back there, 442 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 9: so it looked like any other coverages, you know, going 443 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 9: up to the ceiling. 444 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: Cecilia's husband, Sergeant Drese Stein, an officer with the South 445 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: African Police Service, was also arrested after the arsenal was 446 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: found hidden in the walls of his home. All the 447 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 1: firearms were illegal. He was only held for a few 448 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 1: days and then released. The case against EPD would finally 449 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: go to trial in twenty seventeen, and it would take 450 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: two years to connect them to all the murders and 451 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 1: officially see them convicted. Journalist Maritzka Kotsayer's book on the 452 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: krueger Storf killings walks readers through these events from LaRue's perspective. 453 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: It's called outcast. Like most people in Krugersdorp and many 454 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: more across the nation, Maritzka had been following this story. 455 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: Thanks to her press credentials, she was granted access to 456 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: visit both John Barnard and LaRue in the late stage 457 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 1: of the trial. Upon meeting the two men, it was 458 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: immediately clear to her who her main subject should be. 459 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 3: That is the easy target, you know, because I thought 460 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 3: he had a little hard left. 461 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: Maritzka also had a cousin who was locked up with LaRue, 462 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: giving her a whiff of street cred. So he agreed 463 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: to meet with her one on one. 464 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 3: A godday. Waited. I was scared, and then he actually 465 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 3: agreed to see me. And I think it's because he 466 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 3: knew my name because of my cousin. And I remember 467 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 3: the first words that he said to me was dhxie. 468 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 3: So it's something like good day is very pulotte. So 469 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 3: I saw to myself, do you murderers have manners? 470 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 2: You know? 471 00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 3: I was really like, what's this guy saying nice? 472 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 4: You know? 473 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: Mariska and LaRue had an instant connection. 474 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 10: You liked metal music. 475 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 3: He was into piercings, into tattoos. So when you know, 476 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 3: when I got down you, I only had a short 477 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 3: time to win him over. So now I said to him, 478 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 3: I want to tell your story, but I don't want 479 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 3: to tell your story like, yes, I committed the murders. 480 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 3: I said, I want to I want to hear your story, 481 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 3: like I want you to tell me what you want 482 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 3: to say. And that day he asked me my number 483 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 3: and I gave it to him. 484 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: In the months leading up to his sentencing, she and 485 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: LaRue formed a tight bond that evolved in the Mariska 486 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: becoming an advocate for him and Marcel. 487 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 3: I mean, is there not one person that can see 488 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 3: that this was child abuse? She conditioned them to be monsters. 489 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: On December fourteenth, twenty sixteenth, John Barnard took his plead 490 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: in exchange for testifying against EPD. His sentence was reduced 491 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: from life to twenty years in prison. Charging the rest 492 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: of EPD was a challenge. Now keep in mind that 493 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: in South Africa it's a judge's courtroom. The jury system 494 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: was abolished during apartheid, so the fate of each EPD 495 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: member lay solely in the judge's hands. 496 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 11: You might shure you bring the truth to the court 497 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 11: in a Watertodd Vihko where you're the jud character of effect. 498 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: That's Dion Venvick. He's worked in the State's Attorney's office 499 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: for thirty years, twenty of which were in the High Court, 500 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: which is like the federal district courts in the US. 501 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: He is currently a senior State Advocate. At just under 502 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: six feet tall, Dion Vnvick is an authoritative presence and 503 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,959 Speaker 1: has been doing this so long. He's extremely well versed 504 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: in the intricacies of South African law and not to 505 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: be confused with Captain johann and Vick, who you've heard 506 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 1: from in earlier episodes. 507 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 11: On the effects of the case that you guys are investigating. 508 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 11: Many crimes were perpetrated by various of her followers, but 509 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,640 Speaker 11: the challenge is to prosecute them all, for each and 510 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 11: every one of them, to keep them liable, criminally liable 511 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 11: for all the offenses would be impossible without detulov racketeering. 512 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: Ben had a background in organized crime, so he developed 513 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: a strategy to approach this rare, unprecedented prosecution. Then, Vic says, 514 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: according to the Prevention of Organized Crime Act or POKER, 515 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: Ben would have to prove that the crimes involved racketeering. 516 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 11: Section one of our Poker Acts creates that too. You 517 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 11: turned on proving an enterprise, which was easy to do. 518 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: In this case. Alectis Perdaeus's enterprise was blatant insurance fraud, 519 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: thinking zach death to cash in on his policy. 520 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 11: Secondly, how you your factual association, It all depends on 521 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 11: what level. Obviously, the main person will be the manager. 522 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 11: You have sufficient evidence to prove. 523 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: That Cecilia being the sole beneficiary of the attempted fraud 524 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: made her the manager or ringleader in this act of 525 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: organized crime. 526 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 11: And the person's associating in activities to further the objectives 527 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 11: of the enterprise, and that was the key. 528 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,720 Speaker 1: This is how Mirinda and her children were linked in complicity. 529 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: The kids were working to carry out Cecilia's enterprise. For example, 530 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: LaRue had made incessant calls to check on the claim 531 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: for Cecilia, then he backed her up in the insurance 532 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: inquiry video, and Marcel was an active participant in the robberies. 533 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: The ATM withdrawals from this angle. They were all enmeshed 534 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: involved in an ongoing conspiracy beyond a reasonable doubt. Still, 535 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 1: this approach was unheard of at the time. 536 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 11: Normally you would not deploy racketeating on a murdic case likeness, 537 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 11: but that was the only way to bring them all 538 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 11: to book, and there's nothing boarding us or boring the 539 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 11: prosecution team in law to apply that. So that's the 540 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 11: first in South Africa as far as I know. 541 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: Since it had never been used in a murder case before. 542 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 1: It took a while to convince the judge that pocket 543 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: charters held water for the prosecution, but finally in February 544 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: the judge approved. Senior State Advocate Dion van Vick also 545 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: illuminated for US based on his years in the field, 546 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 1: that organized crime at this level usually leads to murder. 547 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 11: Keeping in mind that it doesn't matter in what sphere 548 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 11: of organized crime you move. If your financial your criminal 549 00:33:55,400 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 11: benefit is big enough, people will die. 550 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 1: Just to be clear, Dion van Vick didn't work on 551 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: this case, but we spoke to him to get some 552 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: clarity on the racketeering stuff from an actual state official. 553 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: While Ben developed this racketeering angle, he also gathered witnesses. 554 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 4: And fifty witnesses actually, and I served to aenit in 555 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 4: fifty two supunas three times, but we only used at 556 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:33,240 Speaker 4: the end of the day about seventy witnesses to testify. 557 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: Many of the witnesses were reduced to tears. They were 558 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: all emotionally broken and terrified of speaking out against Cecilia. 559 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 1: As you've heard, Luke asked us to alter his voice 560 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: and use an alias because he's still convinced that he's 561 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: a target for testifying against Cecilia. Prison bars were no 562 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: match for her. Not only did she speak of astral projection, 563 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 1: but no one would have been surprised if she put 564 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 1: a hit out on any of the witnesses or their families. 565 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: Throughout the investigation, Ben received death threats warning him that 566 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: if he didn't stop his pursuit of justice, he would 567 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: be murdered by the Satanic Church. At one point, Brigadier 568 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: Manny victor got a tip that a one million RAN 569 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: contract had been offered to anyone that would take out 570 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: Ben Boysen. That's about fifty thousand US dollars. A suspect 571 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: was eventually arrested and identified as the would be hitman. 572 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: Cecilia also came after Ben and Cristelle's. 573 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 7: Family since her first year in Joel, one of the 574 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:45,200 Speaker 7: peoples she was incarcerated with was released and she told us. 575 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 7: She made a statement, she's coming from Kruystol, and she 576 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:53,280 Speaker 7: told us that Cecilia is planning on killing our youngest daughter. 577 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 7: She took out a contract to kill our youngest daughter 578 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,719 Speaker 7: for revenge on what Ben has done. And then our 579 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 7: younger his daughter had to move out of town and 580 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,280 Speaker 7: she doesn't stay with us anymore. 581 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 1: The court dates kept getting postponed for myriad reasons, a 582 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: slow moving justice system being one, but also because the 583 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: twenty twelve case files were missing. LaRue's confession was not enough. 584 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: Ben had to completely recreate reports on crimes that happened 585 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 1: four years earlier, which took time. 586 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 4: But remember there was no dockets, there was no witness statements, 587 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,920 Speaker 4: there was nothing. So even if he tells me and 588 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 4: he confession all this stuff, I still need to go 589 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 4: out and get evidence to prove what he said is 590 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:39,840 Speaker 4: the truth. 591 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: And that was very difficult, and Ben's health had not improved. 592 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: In fact, it was buckling under the pressure. 593 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,279 Speaker 4: Every time the court postponed. I had to serve all 594 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,439 Speaker 4: that tupunas again by myself. I became very very ill. 595 00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: Christelle finally forced him to go to the doc. 596 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,719 Speaker 4: I didn't want to go to the doctor because I 597 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,240 Speaker 4: know they're going to book me off and I can't 598 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 4: be booked off because I still need to get information 599 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 4: and stuff. And one morning I woke up and I 600 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 4: was sitting on bed and I didn't have a voice, 601 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 4: and she said, you're going to hospital to the doctor today. 602 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 4: And I was so weak when I get to the 603 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,280 Speaker 4: hospital that I actually couldn't walk. 604 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,720 Speaker 1: Turns out he had pneumonia, but even during treatment, Ben 605 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: kept working. 606 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,280 Speaker 4: So they brought the wheelchair to take me into the hospital. 607 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 4: And as I because the hospital was its opposite Cecilia 608 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 4: Stein's flats. 609 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: There was suspicion that Cecilia had a friend working in 610 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: the hospital pharmacy who would secure drugs for Cecilia and 611 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 1: Electus per Dais. 612 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,399 Speaker 4: I saw the chemist and I said, I still need 613 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 4: to I want to tell I still need a statement. Yes, 614 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 4: And my wife freaked out that she said, no, since 615 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,520 Speaker 4: you warned everybody in but all that they must not 616 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 4: talk about the case with me, I must relax. And 617 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 4: then eventually the doctor came to me and he said, 618 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 4: you've got overgrown art. 619 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:17,520 Speaker 1: An overgrown heart. After a few days of rest, Ben 620 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:18,240 Speaker 1: was released. 621 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 4: I wasn't supposed to go to work, but when I 622 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 4: get home, I took the sick note, I tear it 623 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 4: up and I started working the next day again. My 624 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 4: wife was very very cross with me, But you know, 625 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,360 Speaker 4: I knew that if I'm not going to see this 626 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 4: cases through, that it's not going to work out nicely. 627 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 4: So I forced myself to do work. 628 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: About a year into the trial, Janna Marx was working 629 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: as a court reporter. 630 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,839 Speaker 10: I was working in court, so I was attending court 631 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,680 Speaker 10: cases and I was literally sitting in court every day. 632 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 10: It would be different cases because cisis Skates postponed. I 633 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 10: was a digital journalist. It becomes difficult to see a 634 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,400 Speaker 10: trial evolving from start to end. I mean, it's not 635 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 10: always possible because of the speed of the journalism that 636 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:15,839 Speaker 10: we practice. 637 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: The case against EPD was moved to the High Court 638 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,839 Speaker 1: in May of twenty eighteen, and Yana was assigned to it. 639 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 10: So I think from the very beginning this really grab 640 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,720 Speaker 10: people's attention, just because of the religion and also the 641 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,839 Speaker 10: normalization of what happened there. I mean, the regular people 642 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 10: being part of a group are goodness. Now regular people 643 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 10: are killing other regular people. 644 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 1: We are so grateful for all the insight and expertise 645 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,720 Speaker 1: that Yana lent to this project for over a year, 646 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 1: Nearly every time these murderers took the stand, Yana was 647 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: there watching. She'll walk us through the trial. In the 648 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,359 Speaker 1: next episode, we'll get her take on Cecilia, Zach and 649 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 1: the kids as they try to make a case for 650 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: themselves Merinda too well sort of. Yanna also speaks to 651 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: Cecilia's delusional style, which was on full display in the courtroom. 652 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 10: Cecilia is very She's very lively, and she tells jokes, 653 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,360 Speaker 10: and that happens in court. 654 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 1: Cecilia's charming personality is part of what makes her so terrifying. 655 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: Even today, her shadow is buried deep. I know this 656 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 1: because I met her well. 657 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 12: I like joking and I like, you know, having fun. 658 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 12: Laughing life is serious and and you can't be serious 659 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,200 Speaker 12: all the time. It'll just make you the priest if 660 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:48,359 Speaker 12: you certain think about life. 661 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,399 Speaker 1: On the next episode of Queen Havoc, LaRue. 662 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:01,240 Speaker 4: Right when when he was found guilty and in front 663 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 4: of his mother, he said, thank you Captain for sending 664 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 4: this beach the. 665 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:12,319 Speaker 13: Jail on understand she lied Latant. I killed Reginald and 666 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,720 Speaker 13: I enjoyed every minute of it and went into great 667 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,239 Speaker 13: gory detail about how she did it and saying it 668 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 13: had nothing to do with Cecilia. 669 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 3: But he still says there in things like what if 670 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 3: Cecilia I can sneak into my cell and come and 671 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:29,800 Speaker 3: hurt me. 672 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:34,920 Speaker 10: You know, Massell was a bit different. I think the 673 00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,400 Speaker 10: whole country's sympathy lay with Mussel. 674 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,839 Speaker 7: And everyone believed her. 675 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 6: Everyone believed in. 676 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 7: What she was saying. 677 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: So Queen Havoc in Her Murder Cult is a production 678 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: of Schooly Humans and iHeart Podcasts. Queen Havoc is hosted 679 00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 1: and created by me Kurt Kupachak, produced and written by 680 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 1: Jennifer ZC Kenny, Julia Chriskau, and Kirk Kupachick. Lead producer 681 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 1: is Julia Chriskau. Story editor is Saren Burnett, Senior producer 682 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:15,400 Speaker 1: is Amelia Brock. Production manager is Daisy Church. Original music 683 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: composed by Claire Campbell, editing, sound design and scoring by 684 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:27,120 Speaker 1: Jesse Niswanger. Associate producers are DaShan Moodley and Jamaine Kriher. 685 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:32,280 Speaker 1: Additional producing by Ben Melman, fact checking by Dennis Webster. 686 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:38,399 Speaker 1: Recording engineers are Graham Gibson, Clay Hillenberg and Josh Hook. 687 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,799 Speaker 1: Brinda Stein was read by Angelique Pretorious. Executive producers are 688 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:49,239 Speaker 1: Virginia Prescott, L. C. Crowley, Brandon Barr, Jennifer Takeny and 689 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,399 Speaker 1: Kurt Kupachick. We want to thank all of those who 690 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,719 Speaker 1: so generously welcomed us in South Africa and shared their stories. 691 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,360 Speaker 1: We're incredibly grateful to you all. We also want to 692 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,759 Speaker 1: acknowledge how traumatic these events are for the victims and 693 00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,840 Speaker 1: their families. Please respect their privacy. If you or someone 694 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,239 Speaker 1: you know has been affected by cult behaviors, there are 695 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:18,920 Speaker 1: resources available, including voices for Dignity at Christine Murray dot 696 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:24,000 Speaker 1: com