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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone welcome the Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about what celebrities do with their afterbirth.

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Speaker 1: Last week on Mother Knows Death, we talked about how

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Speaker 1: the body positivity movement is essentially gone now because of

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Speaker 1: drugs like ozembic, and now Lizzo is coming out and

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Speaker 1: saying that plus sized people are being erased. We'll also

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Speaker 1: get into an unexpected object that fell from the sky

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Speaker 1: and went through somebody's windshield, a person that took their

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Speaker 1: own life in a shopping center in front of people

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Speaker 1: in a very gruesome way. And a new AI app

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Speaker 1: which is designed so you could still have relationships with

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Speaker 1: dead family members. That one is like so disturbed. All

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Speaker 1: that more on today's episode.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's start off with Cardi b. So, she

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Speaker 2: recently at her fourth child, and as a way to

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Speaker 2: honor the berths, she got her umbilical cord turned into

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Speaker 2: gold jewelry.

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Speaker 1: So I guess they dehydrated it and dipped it in

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Speaker 1: a gold chrome solution. I don't know, It's kind of

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Speaker 1: boring to me. Like I saw it, I just was

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Speaker 1: like what only costs fifty bucks. I mean, what do

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Speaker 1: you want.

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Speaker 2: It's not like it's this great piece of jewelry. It's

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Speaker 2: just a little thing. I don't even thin it's just

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Speaker 2: a jewelry is the right word.

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Speaker 1: It's like a memento. It just doesn't look good. It

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Speaker 1: looks like an umbilical cord dipped in gold dust. Like

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Speaker 1: that's what like it? It just I don't know, like

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Speaker 1: it doesn't Well, what do you advise?

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Speaker 2: Everybody keep their placentas in jars like you in their

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Speaker 2: house so everybody gets stared.

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Speaker 1: Wish I wish Cardi b would have contacted me because

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Speaker 1: I could have had I could have advised her to

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Speaker 1: do something much cooler with it.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I just see this uptick in you know,

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Speaker 2: jewelry or art that could be made from things like this.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you.

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Speaker 2: I think you sent this to me, but I've seen

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Speaker 2: it before too, Like you could even take your extra

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Speaker 2: embryos from IVF and turn them into jewelry and stuff,

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Speaker 2: which as a person that just went through IVF, I

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Speaker 2: think that's a little excessive.

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Speaker 1: But no, you want me to tell you the one

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Speaker 1: that I just saw? What like I you won't even

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Speaker 1: believe this. Two people like sent their semen specimen or

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Speaker 1: like samples and pubic hair, and we're making like a

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Speaker 1: joint ring for what purpose. I don't know to just

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Speaker 1: like that, I don't know, Like, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I don't know how I feel about this,

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Speaker 2: because like I wouldn't do this, but a lot of

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Speaker 2: people are very well. I guess I do know I

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Speaker 2: feel about it because I wouldn't do this with the

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Speaker 2: umbilical cord. Right when it comes to things like funeral jewelry.

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Speaker 2: When you think about people getting creamnes or a lock

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Speaker 2: of somebody's hair turned into jewelry, I think that's cool.

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Speaker 2: It's an old Victorian tradition.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: But in it you know, I told you when we

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Speaker 2: were at that Ante store in Philly, how it's so

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Speaker 2: sad when you see those days for sale, because you're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: your family member should.

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Speaker 1: Stop giving a shit about you.

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Speaker 2: Throughout the generation.

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Speaker 1: There's like three generations, like nobody cares. It's just sad.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know how like I feel about

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Speaker 2: the umbilical cordealry, I agree with you. I don't think

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Speaker 2: this looks that great, but it's also not that expensive,

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Speaker 2: so I'm sure somebody with her level of wealth could

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Speaker 2: have gotten something better made, perhaps, But I don't know

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Speaker 2: this girl, I mean have a flourishing business that does it.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean it goes, it goes viral, and

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Speaker 2: there's lots of different things. We know.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about this before of people eating their plasina,

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Speaker 1: which I just think is just so nasty. I just

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Speaker 1: saw this video. I don't know if it was like

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Speaker 1: National Geographic or something, but it was showing these gorillas

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Speaker 1: giving birth and then this the mom was like eating

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Speaker 1: a placenta, which is bigger than a human one either.

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Speaker 1: Even it just looks like a giant raw piece of

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Speaker 2: Or the daughter of a PA who is forced to

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Speaker 1: Said, look at this one. It looks like a jellyfish,

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Speaker 1: and now I'm scarred for it does a little bit,

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Speaker 1: But so are you going to keep my placenta? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I will if you take it home? Sure? Why not?

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Speaker 2: Well, how do you go about that? Do I tell

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Speaker 2: them there I want to keep it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you usually just have to get it signed out.

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Speaker 1: It just depends on the hospital and what their rules are.

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Speaker 1: But you could just say that you're taking it for

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Speaker 1: religious purposes and they have to give it to you.

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Speaker 1: The only thing is is that usually they might send

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Speaker 1: it to pathology if there's any kind of issue, but

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Speaker 1: if it's just like a normal vaginal childbirth or even

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Speaker 2: I don't want it, like, I don't even want to

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Speaker 2: touch it though, So you could come get the did

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Speaker 2: it comes?

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Speaker 1: I haven't. I have no interest at all why I

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Speaker 1: had I had mine because I couldn't touch mine, for like,

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Speaker 1: because I was in the hospital, especially after I had

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Speaker 1: Lilian for a while and it was just sit it

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Speaker 1: in the fridge for a while. It's just not I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I just don't think it's a gross But

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you're a organ, you made it, you

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Speaker 1: should keep it. You could keep it at your house

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Speaker 1: and I'll see it GiB over there. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: But this company also does offer you could send the

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Speaker 2: placentage of them and they'll turn it into pills for you.

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Speaker 2: So I guess, yeah, and that and that was five

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Speaker 2: hundred dollars. It said, yeah, that was five hundred dollars.

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Speaker 2: This gold thing was fifty bucks. And then I guess

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Speaker 2: Cardi b also got a print made. They do prints

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Speaker 2: or something. I was trying to find a video of.

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Speaker 1: Dominus Industry, Like you know how you get a print,

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Speaker 1: take the thing home and paint it and stick it

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Speaker 1: on a piece of paper. There, I just saved you

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Speaker 1: hundreds of dollars. Like what what?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I just I don't understand it, okay, all right.

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Speaker 2: Over the weekend, Lizo posted an essay on subsac expressing

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Speaker 1: Said, I'm like actually getting annoyed by this shit at

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Speaker 1: especially people like Lizo and just like a lot of celebrities,

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Speaker 1: body positivity. Totally, I feel like they were pushing obesity.

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Speaker 1: Like actually, Cosmopolitan, never forget that picture they put on

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Speaker 1: just was. The whole entire thing was out of control, right,

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Speaker 1: So now I know people are ultimately responsible for whatever

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Speaker 1: So you have this whole entire population of especially young women,

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Speaker 1: the chefs and the better food and all this stuff. Well,

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Speaker 1: what about all the people you just convinced that it

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Speaker 1: and now they're pushing three hundred pounds because you told

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Speaker 2: Well, I think this is like so ridiculous because she's

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Speaker 2: was quote sick and tired of her identity being overshadowed

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Speaker 2: by her weight, But like, don't you think that's why

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Speaker 2: the other. This is absolutely no different than you know,

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Speaker 2: imagine people were saying these girls were fat back then,

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Speaker 1: They're all taking these drugs and super super skinny, and

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Speaker 1: they're still continuing to put out a terrible message for people.

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Speaker 2: Both sides of it are bad. I mean, these people

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Speaker 2: that need to lose five pounds or don't need to

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Speaker 1: Like if you look at pictures of like right before

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Speaker 1: Wicked happened with those two people what's her name, Cynthia, whatnthet,

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Speaker 1: they're both the most annoying people that ever existed. When

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Speaker 1: me is like I don't know that that's necessarily something

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Speaker 2: But both of them, I think there are people out

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Speaker 2: there that need this drug that have had issues losing

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Speaker 2: the weight to become healthy, to kickstart it, and that

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Speaker 2: categy is she is. But you're saying you're worried about

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Speaker 2: to say, well, it's.

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Speaker 1: Also it's just also another thing, another bad message. So

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Speaker 1: first they were telling you you could be healthy at

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Speaker 1: any size, which I've been saying from the beginning is

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Speaker 1: total bullshit. And now they're saying like, oh, well, you

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Speaker 1: and it's just like that drug is not benign even

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Speaker 1: is good for people, like because I've been saying forever

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Speaker 1: that you're not healthy at any size if you take

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Speaker 2: see that is going to be upset by that, you know, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: so I just don't I mean, like not just upset,

436
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 2: but like I mean, there's been situations where sometimes you

437
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Speaker 2: see somebody get hurt or somebody, you know, the ambulance

438
00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:28,880
Speaker 2: gets called in front of you, and it's just kind

439
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 2: of like disturbing to see something like that happen. And

440
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 2: just imagine seeing that, like it would just bother you

441
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:38,120
Speaker 2: for such a long time. You know, you'll be traumatized

442
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Speaker 2: if you saw something like that, if you even know

443
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 2: a person that's died around you, it's disturbing, right, Like

444
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Speaker 2: you're driving on the highway and there's a bad accident

445
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,399
Speaker 2: and you know somebody's died in that accident, it's terrible,

446
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 2: but to see somebody do this, it's horrific.

447
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just can't even imagine.

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Speaker 2: All Right, Former Disney Channel star Column Worthy is facing backlash.

449
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Speaker 2: Af You're creating an app that will allow people to

450
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 2: talk to an avatar representing their dead relative.

451
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 1: So you guys have to see and we'll put the

452
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 1: link to this in the grocer room or the video.

453
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: The video that's been going viral. It's so disturbing of

454
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: it's a woman who's pregnant, who's like robbing her belly

455
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 1: and talking to her dead mother and then talking to

456
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Speaker 1: her dead mother to like help read her son a

457
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 1: nighttime story and all this, and it's like an actual

458
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Speaker 1: video of her mom. This is what like Kanye did

459
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Speaker 1: for Kim Kardashian, Remember, Like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I just see so many problems with this,

461
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 2: mostly being that if this is readily accessible to people,

462
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,919
Speaker 2: they're not going to be able to grieve in a

463
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 2: way that they can move on with their life. And

464
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Speaker 2: not that you should forget somebody who's died, and not

465
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Speaker 2: that you don't have the right to grieve as long

466
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Speaker 2: as you want, but there needs to be a point where,

467
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Speaker 2: like you have to accept that it has occurred and

468
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Speaker 2: keep going with your life. And I feel like I

469
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 2: read this really controversial book about therapy this year. A

470
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 2: lot of people really don't like it, and it's because

471
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Speaker 2: the author was saying that a lot of therapists take

472
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Speaker 2: advantage of patients by having them retell these traumatic stories

473
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Speaker 2: and making them relive it over and over and over again,

474
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Speaker 2: to the point where the patient never gets resilience over

475
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Speaker 2: what happened to them and they're not able to move on,

476
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Speaker 2: and that's exactly what I see could happen in this situation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I just I mean that part

478
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Speaker 1: of it bothers me too, But what really bothers me

479
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Speaker 1: is that, like when I die, I don't want you

480
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Speaker 1: making videos of me saying things that I didn't say.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's another problem too, like the dead person consenting

482
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Speaker 2: to their likeness be used forever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I know, it's just because it's just

484
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Speaker 1: like a real bizarre thing. Like when I'm dead, I'm dead.

485
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,959
Speaker 1: I don't want it. I don't want that, and that

486
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: would only be for your personal use. But think about

487
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 1: when like movie stars die and stuff like that, Like

488
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: it's just like why are we doing this? Why? I

489
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 1: just don't. I just don't understand it. And it's just

490
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 1: it's not it's not going to end well. And you

491
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: may be tricking yourself into thinking that your mom is

492
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: there to help raise your kid or whatever, but like

493
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 1: they're not. And it's the same thing as people dating

494
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: these boyfriend chatbots. It's not real, Like stop trying to

495
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Speaker 1: tell people that something's there that's not there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I think it's setting people up for

497
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Speaker 2: a disaster because you're reliving it and then you're getting

498
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Speaker 2: off the app and then remembering that person is not alive.

499
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Speaker 2: So I think there's a way to handle these things

500
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Speaker 2: when relive memories you have with people that have died.

501
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 2: But I don't think this is right, and it's it

502
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 2: could be used for bad obviously, and then I just

503
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 2: don't think it's gonna help people with grieving. I think

504
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 2: it's just gonna make it worse.

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Speaker 1: Humans are so in tune to like slight differences with things,

506
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Speaker 1: and like when you watch the video, I don't know

507
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: that lady's mom, so I'm like, I don't know if

508
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: she's really like that or that's how she would talk.

509
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 1: But like, don't you think most people would just be like,

510
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: it's like, I mean, it looks like my mom, and

511
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: it sounds like her voice a little bit, but it's

512
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: just off and like it's just not I mean, I

513
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: guess the technology could get better to a point where

514
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be able to recognize it, but like your

515
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: own mother or your own spouse or your own kids

516
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: or whatever, like you would know your brain wouldn't be

517
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: tricked into thinking it was them, so it just would

518
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 1: be like I feel like it would almost be more

519
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: upsetting to see it. I don't know, that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I think it's just gonna make to grieving process worse

521
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 2: because you're just reliving the trauma of that person being

522
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 2: dead over and over and over again.

523
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Speaker 1: So what are so like the reception online like people

524
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 1: aren't having it? Is are people like excited about it?

525
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 1: Or it's generally like people are like, no, this is

526
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: too much.

527
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 2: No. Generally people seem really pissed about it. I mean

528
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 2: people are called evil and demonic, which I think is like, okay,

529
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 2: like it sucks, but chill out. And then people are

530
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 2: pointing out that it's profiting off of grief. But in

531
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, Amazon released a similar feature where I

532
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: guess you couldn't you couldn't interact with the person, like

533
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: you couldn't see them, but you could train their voice

534
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: so you could hear their voice back. And it also

535
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 2: was met with a lot of criticism. So I don't

536
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 2: see why this guy then thought this was a great

537
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 2: idea after Amazon got so much backlash for it a

538
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 2: couple of years ago.

539
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Speaker 1: I just I just like, when I'm dead, I want

540
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: to I just want to be dead. Like it's and

541
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: I think that's why people are calling it evil, especially

542
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: religious people, because you're you're you're kind of going against nature.

543
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: Well, religious people say IVF is evil too, so let's

544
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 2: not take their word for everything.

545
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: But sorry, my body sucks. But I don't know, I

546
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: don't know.

547
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 2: I think this is a bad idea, and I'd be interesting.

548
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 2: I mean, I want to know what you guys think, Like,

549
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: do you think it's a bad idea? Do you would

550
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 2: you like to do something like this? I am curious

551
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 2: to see what the listeners have to say because we're

552
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 2: very like we're a little more sterile when it comes

553
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 2: to death, so some people that are a little more emotional.

554
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: But this is what didn't Kanye do this with Kim

555
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: Kardashian's dad, Yeah, in a way that hologram of it's

556
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: the same kind of thing, like made a video of

557
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: the dad talking to her.

558
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,239
Speaker 2: And I feel like at the time, I don't really

559
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 2: remember because it's years ago. When I watched it, I

560
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 2: feel like at the time she was saying it was

561
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: this great, awesome thing, but I feel like everybody was

562
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 2: like what they were saying wasn't what their face was saying,

563
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: you know, what I mean, Yeah, it was more disturbing

564
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 2: than that. Yeah, exactly, but you're dealing with the crazy

565
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: person with him, So are you gonna go on TV

566
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: and say it was a t I guess it's just

567
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 2: different than like obviously, because let's say, for example, like

568
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: maybe there's there's not much pictures of my mom's like

569
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: grandparents from when they were kids, and like every generation

570
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: has more and more pictures from and videos and stuff

571
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: from when they're kids. There's not even really that much

572
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 2: videos that exist from when I was a kid, Like

573
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: Aunt Terry might have one or something, but like I

574
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: don't have one. So it's like looking back on videos

575
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: of like your grandmom and this and that, but it's

576
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: like that was that was like while the moment in

577
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: time that was captured. It's not like a future a

578
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: future video.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean. It's just a little bit

580
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: different like now with the kids, for example, like I

581
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: don't I don't think I have any videos of my grandmom,

582
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 1: so I can't show my kids and like let them

583
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: watch it and hear how she talked and stuff like that.

584
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: So it's just weird to think that that's that that's

585
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: something that you could train an AI thing to do

586
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: in the future. I don't know. I just don't like it.

587
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: But that's the difference. It's not a memory that you're reliving.

588
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that's and I don't know how it

589
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: feels because I never I never really experienced it. I

590
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: just I'm not sure. I'm not sure how I would

591
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: feel about that. All right, guys.

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