Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,
Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of
Speaker 1: today's best minds and Donald Trump campaign manager Chris la
Speaker 1: Savita is trying to swift vote Governor Tim Walls, just
Speaker 1: like he swift voted presidential candidate John Carey. We have
Speaker 1: such a great show for you today. Fred Trump, who
Speaker 1: is Donald Trump's nephew, stops by to talk about his
Speaker 1: new book All in the Family, The Trumps and how
Speaker 1: we got this way. Then we'll talk to former Olympian
Speaker 1: Monica Trenell, who is a candidate in Montana's first district
Speaker 1: against Ryan Zinki. But first we at the host of
Speaker 1: the Mary Trump Show, the One the Only Mary Trump.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics. My friend really like a person.
Speaker 1: I just really adore Mary Trump.
Speaker 2: Hey, Molly, you know what, You're awesome. And what's also
Speaker 2: awesome is that we're having a conversation and it's time
Speaker 2: when things don't feel so apocalyptic.
Speaker 1: I feel like there are some people who will be
Speaker 1: okay no matter what. I am not one of those people.
Speaker 3: Like that's right.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: I say this every time you come on, but it's
Speaker 1: because it really informs some of the questions I ask you,
Speaker 1: and I feel like listeners should remember these two things.
Speaker 1: You are very steeped in psychology and you have a
Speaker 1: degree in that, and you understand motivations and the psychological
Speaker 1: machinations behind the scenes. And you happen to be the
Speaker 1: niece of a guy that we've spent the last eight
Speaker 1: years having to deal with. So in that way, you
Speaker 1: have absolutely the most unique perspective of almost anyone this cycle.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately for you, every cycle has spends twenty fucking sixteen.
Speaker 2: So where is he now? Well, where's Waldo of American politics?
Speaker 2: Seeps to have disappeared from the patrol. This might sound
Speaker 2: like a weird thing to say, because he's obviously been
Speaker 2: on very stressful situations before, Like the second he got
Speaker 2: into the White House, you know, he was overwhelmed and
Speaker 2: out of his depths. Now, however, there is so much
Speaker 2: that he's dealing with that he can't handle, and it's
Speaker 2: all in terms that he actually understands and that resonate
Speaker 2: with him. He's been overshadowed, he's out of the news cycle,
Speaker 2: and he can't compete in terms of crowd sizes like
Speaker 2: those are the things that matter to him, and for
Speaker 2: the first time, maybe ever in his career as a politician,
Speaker 2: he's not measuring up and there's literally nothing he can
Speaker 2: do about it. You know, you know you're in trouble
Speaker 2: when the only headline you've gotten in the last week
Speaker 2: is Trump's complaining about his camp pain and doesn't know
Speaker 2: how to adjust to the fact that he has a
Speaker 2: new competitor who's twenty years younger than he is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny because it's like so much of his psychology,
Speaker 1: so much of his gestalt, so much of his you know, makeup,
Speaker 1: is this like you know, when you start to trading
Speaker 1: up spouses right for a younger model, trading up you know,
Speaker 1: the sort of like getting on television, juicing the news cycle,
Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden you see him not
Speaker 1: knowing how to win, but also not being able to
Speaker 1: take over the news cycle again.
Speaker 5: And this is just sort of his arrogance.
Speaker 2: And let's face it, like Adnald had every expectation to
Speaker 2: think that he could do whatever he wanted and he
Speaker 2: would be fine in pretty much any area of his life,
Speaker 2: but even in terms of the campaign, because corpora media
Speaker 2: coverage has been so abysmal and so broke him. So
Speaker 2: you know, he and his campaign had strategies that only
Speaker 2: with the individual they are running against. No, it's a
Speaker 2: policy free campaign. It was all about Joe Biden's being old.
Speaker 2: He picked JD. Vance, who did nothing to expand the
Speaker 2: electoral map for them because JD Vance was obviously willing
Speaker 2: to subjugate himself to Donald and humiliate himself in service
Speaker 2: to Donald. But because he had the same kinds of
Speaker 2: grievances and the same anger and misogyny and racism, right,
Speaker 2: he can't adapt because picking Vance kind of shrunk his campaign.
Speaker 2: Then when it was Kamala Harris not Joe Biden, he
Speaker 2: literally was called completely flat footed. He hasn't been able
Speaker 2: to adjust, none of his attacks or saying you know,
Speaker 2: when you're your line of attack is to mispronounce somebody's name,
Speaker 2: you're basically letting everybody know that you don't realize that
Speaker 2: prepbescent white boys can't vote. He literally can't get out
Speaker 2: of his own way, I say with glee, and it's
Speaker 2: a self reinforcing cycle of doo because the only thing
Speaker 2: he has to offer also then becomes the only way
Speaker 2: he can see out of this, which is to get
Speaker 2: angrier more aggrieved and more vicious in his attacks, and
Speaker 2: we've already seen the limits in that, so it's not
Speaker 2: going to end well for him. I'm very curious to
Speaker 2: see what happens at this press conference.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know me too. I think there's going to
Speaker 1: be a swift Boat Veterans for Change kind of thing,
Speaker 1: because remember that swift boat Veterans worked on John carry
Speaker 1: even though John Carrey had three purple hearts or some
Speaker 1: crazy I think it was three purple hearts, but that
Speaker 1: was Chris la Savita, who is now running Trump's campaign,
Speaker 1: so you could see where that would be. What we
Speaker 1: see with Trump is that he had success in twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen and since then he has pretty much used that
Speaker 1: same playbook, say something ray assistant, inflammatory, dominate the news cycle,
Speaker 1: appeal to the base. When we look at dominating the
Speaker 1: news cycle and appealing to the basse, we are able
Speaker 1: to see that that is what he did with the
Speaker 1: Black Journalists Association, the Association of Black Journalists is he
Speaker 1: felt he was slipping out of the news cycle and
Speaker 1: he used this racist attack and I think he thought,
Speaker 1: just like with Jade Van Sid it would galvanize the bass.
Speaker 1: But instead Harris was much more like Obama and able
Speaker 1: to just shut it down in two lines.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: First of all, the role out of her compan has
Speaker 2: been utterly impeccable in terms of the coalescing of the
Speaker 2: Democratic coalition choosing Timboles, and she's not going to play
Speaker 2: by Donald joules. And while he can't define her, she's
Speaker 2: already defined herself right, And that's something else he can handle.
Speaker 2: Because as mightily as say the New York Times, for example,
Speaker 2: is trying to help him, they can't get a handle
Speaker 2: on it either, because there's nothing to attack here, like
Speaker 2: there really isn't, And I think adding walls makes it
Speaker 2: even harder for them. What I like seeing about the Democrats,
Speaker 2: and again this box is donalded even further is they're
Speaker 2: willing to go low, but they're also not willing to
Speaker 2: get tangled up in the narrative of Donald's creating. And
Speaker 2: it's quite right brilliant, and it also exposes in a
Speaker 2: way it never has been before to people I guess
Speaker 2: who are paying attention. It shows that he's incapable of
Speaker 2: leading because he's unable to adjust to changing circumstances on
Speaker 2: the ground, to the point that he's pretending that Joe
Speaker 2: Biden wants to jump back into the race.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's right.
Speaker 1: He is now trying to dominate the news cycle with
Speaker 1: something right to do a presser, and I think that
Speaker 1: he does want to keep going, you know, just to
Speaker 1: keep getting his name out. You know, he got over
Speaker 1: the finish line in twenty sixteen and even in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty with these voters who don't vote right, these low
Speaker 1: propensity voters, and so those voters nobody really knows who
Speaker 1: they are, right because they are not what studied in politics,
Speaker 1: And so in his mind, he does still probably feel
Speaker 1: that there are these hidden Trump voters who will come
Speaker 1: out for him if only he can, you know, say
Speaker 1: enough racist stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the thing is that we know this culturally that
Speaker 2: in any society there's you know, maybe twenty eight percent
Speaker 2: of the population that's you know, has authoritarian personality that
Speaker 2: is sort of the worst of the worst. That's the
Speaker 2: Republican base, and they are as motivated as they can be.
Speaker 2: He he'll keep trying to motivate them more, but they
Speaker 2: can only vote once. And I don't think his support
Speaker 2: among them has wavered. And I don't think there is
Speaker 2: you know, some hidden cash of them anywhere, And you're right,
Speaker 2: the undecided voters.
Speaker 5: Who knows.
Speaker 2: I don't even think that that's where the contest is.
Speaker 2: It's the contest is in the voters who seems still
Speaker 2: to think that there's no real difference between the two
Speaker 2: parties and they'll just vote based on last minute vibes.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm not really sure it's not playing for
Speaker 2: them because he doesn't understand that his brand of politic
Speaker 2: has very limited appeal. I think he's also probably counting
Speaker 2: on because this is a guy who is incapable of
Speaker 2: admitting he lost to the extent that he's still lying
Speaker 2: about the twenty twenty election, and he believes that he
Speaker 2: deserves to win always, So therefore it's totally legitimate to lie, cheat,
Speaker 2: and steel to get the win because he deserves it. Right,
Speaker 2: So he's banking on some combination of gerrymandering, voter suppression,
Speaker 2: and voter subversion, and having in place things like false
Speaker 2: electors and corrupt secretaries of stick to come in at
Speaker 2: the last minute and snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there certainly is a big movement among Trump world
Speaker 1: that the only appropriate answer to any of this is
Speaker 1: to cheat, right, I mean, that's the message that they're
Speaker 1: tacitly or not so tacitly. The idea is that they're
Speaker 1: going to cheat, so you should cheat too, which is
Speaker 1: in fact, we all know the Democrats did not cheat,
Speaker 1: that Trump really did lose the twenty twenty election. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what we're seeing, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think it's tacit at all.
Speaker 2: And that's maybe the only good side of the fact
Speaker 2: that for years now Donald has been given permission to
Speaker 2: get away with everything. You know, this is somebody who
Speaker 2: pushes the envelope, waits to see if it worked. If
Speaker 2: it does, he keeps pushing the envelope. Most of the time.
Speaker 2: He gets away with it thanks to you know, the corrupt,
Speaker 2: illegitimate supermajority in the Supreme Court, or thanks to a
Speaker 2: Republican party that has gone all in on this trader.
Speaker 2: He doesn't feel the need anymore to be circumspect, not
Speaker 2: to the extent that he ever was, you know, and
Speaker 2: you see this also with his surrogates. They don't see
Speaker 2: the need to moderate their commentary. So the good news
Speaker 2: for us is that means it's much more obvious what's
Speaker 2: going on. And we can be much more prepared. We
Speaker 2: know that there is preparation in the event that there
Speaker 2: is a fake elector scheme, or in the event that
Speaker 2: people on the right are trying to interfere with elections
Speaker 2: at a local level.
Speaker 5: So I think that's good.
Speaker 2: The more we know about what they're thinking, the better
Speaker 2: we are to prepare.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's true. What do you think he's
Speaker 4: going to do now?
Speaker 5: I think he's going to do what he always does.
Speaker 5: He's going to double down.
Speaker 2: This is somebody who's absolutely incapable of synthesizing information and
Speaker 2: analyzing it and coming to conclusions about things. He believes
Speaker 2: that he's great, right, so he's great. Why does he
Speaker 2: need to change anything. He's somebody with no self awareness
Speaker 2: and no capacity to course correct, because what does it
Speaker 2: mean if you have to course correct, It means that
Speaker 2: you were wrong about something, So he can't be wrong.
Speaker 2: It's what mature, intelligent people do.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: They look at the facts on the ground, they analyze them.
Speaker 2: They see, oh, well, you know what, maybe I was
Speaker 2: wrong about COVID being like the flu, So now I
Speaker 2: need to do X, Y or Z. He can't do
Speaker 2: any of that. He can't admit that he made a
Speaker 2: mistake in picking events. He can't admit that it's a problem.
Speaker 2: If your entire campaign is centered arounded individual who is
Speaker 2: no longer in the race.
Speaker 4: Right, could be a problem.
Speaker 5: He's going to go with his greatest hits.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: It's funny because it's like there is this interesting thing
Speaker 1: where he can't adapt, and then he got so much
Speaker 1: free media on that insanity and twenty sixteen, and it's
Speaker 1: like it really is like an itch. He can't stop scratching.
Speaker 1: But if you like, go back and sort of unpeel,
Speaker 1: it was that we in American media had never seen
Speaker 1: anyone run for office who was so blatantly racist. I
Speaker 1: think there was so much legitimate shock by that, But
Speaker 1: now he's almost immunized us.
Speaker 2: I think corpora media takes a lot of the blame
Speaker 2: for that because they've normalized this stuff. I mean, we're basically,
Speaker 2: you know, the implicit and sometimes explicit message is, well,
Speaker 2: we already knew this about him, so it's all baked
Speaker 2: in well, you know. I mean, I don't think you
Speaker 2: say that, hey, we already knew Ted Bundy was the
Speaker 2: serial killers, so we don't need to take note if
Speaker 2: he kills another person. That's insane. It's absolutely insane that
Speaker 2: his behaviors, which are egregious.
Speaker 1: Has become so normalized. Yeah, I think that's a really
Speaker 1: good point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, racism, mistogyny, treason, stealing classified documents, inciting it, insurrection,
Speaker 2: it's absolutely insane. He's an adjudicated rapist. So to be
Speaker 2: told that it's baked in and it doesn't matter, it's
Speaker 2: such an abdication of journalistic responsibility. I can't quite wrap
Speaker 2: my head around it. And it just shows us that
Speaker 2: many in the media have learned nothing. We can't pretend
Speaker 2: anymore that it's just it's so shocking that we can't.
Speaker 2: We can't grapple with it. It's been eight years now,
Speaker 2: it's probably been more like ten years.
Speaker 5: Now. What else is it going to take?
Speaker 2: The problem is I don't think there's anything that will
Speaker 2: shape the media out of its corpor I really don't.
Speaker 2: I think, honestly, the only thing that would get the
Speaker 2: media to pay attention is if Donald actually did something,
Speaker 2: as you said earlier, presidential but he's incapable of doing it.
Speaker 4: Right now now.
Speaker 1: I just thought this peace Trump can only be Trump
Speaker 1: this week, and the media did set up this axios
Speaker 1: in fact, had this whole thing like a being shot
Speaker 1: and the face change is a man.
Speaker 4: And then he was like.
Speaker 1: They say it's changed me, but maybe I've gotten worse. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it was like, come on, man, you had this opportunity.
Speaker 1: Everybody in the world just wants you to pretend to
Speaker 1: be normal, and he couldn't do it.
Speaker 2: No, that's exactly it. He's exactly who he presents himself
Speaker 2: to be. The fascting part to me is that he's
Speaker 2: nothing he claims to be, so like that's the tension,
Speaker 2: but there's no version of himself. Donald Trump is all
Speaker 2: false self, right, He's the same person in any context,
Speaker 2: which is a serious red flip.
Speaker 4: It's true.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you can be the same person
Speaker 1: at any context if you're normal. But the sort of weird,
Speaker 1: narcissistic insanity that he practices, he manages to be that
Speaker 1: way everywhere and all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess I should be more clear.
Speaker 2: What I mean is that when you treat strangers or
Speaker 2: you know, your buddies or your political allies, for the
Speaker 2: people you're allegedly most intimate with, the same way, that's weird. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like that's really dysfunctional. I don't mean like he has
Speaker 2: the same core self. He has no cour self, which
Speaker 2: is part of the problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and no values are no morals. Mary Trump Trum
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Speaker 5: You're the vast Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 5: I love chatting with you.
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Speaker 1: Fred Trump is the author of All in the Family,
Speaker 1: The Trumps and How We Got this Way.
Speaker 4: Welcome too Fast, Politics, Fred Trump.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Molly, it's great to be here.
Speaker 1: Your sister wrote a memoir. You've really stayed out of
Speaker 1: the public eye.
Speaker 4: What changed well.
Speaker 3: The book was written to honor my father, Fred Donald's
Speaker 3: older brother, who is a very caring and charismatic guy.
Speaker 3: My youngest son, William, who has complex disabilities, who is
Speaker 3: the most courageous and inspirational person I know. He's the
Speaker 3: one who opened the door for me to advocate on
Speaker 3: behalf of people with intellectual and developmental disabilities. My wife
Speaker 3: Lisa and I have been advocating on behalf of the
Speaker 3: disabled community for years, including Donald's years in the White House,
Speaker 3: but personally we wanted to wait until William was set
Speaker 3: up in a group home out of our home, where
Speaker 3: We've had some incidents, including dead animals thrown on our
Speaker 3: law on reporters coming up to our door cars in
Speaker 3: our driveway. So I've always stayed out of the spotlight.
Speaker 3: Even though I was in the rough and tumble commercial
Speaker 3: real estate business in New York for thirty five years,
Speaker 3: I always was, I guess you could say, the quiet one.
Speaker 3: But now that William is settled in a home outside
Speaker 3: of ours, I felt it was the time not just
Speaker 3: to advocate on behalf of the disabled in a more
Speaker 3: meaningful way. If I have a platform now, I'm going
Speaker 3: to use it to to the highest level. But the
Speaker 3: way the country started going off the rails during Donald's residency,
Speaker 3: up and including the insurrection and now the absolute just
Speaker 3: disgusting rhetoric and amped up views of his followers made
Speaker 3: me want to come out and say in a different
Speaker 3: way than any other book that has been written. I've
Speaker 3: known Donald during his formative years. He was the first
Speaker 3: person to put a golf club in my hand, for instance.
Speaker 3: I've known him through his business career, known him during
Speaker 3: his political career and in the White House, so I
Speaker 3: know Donald personally better than anybody does.
Speaker 1: Was it scary? How did you feel doing this?
Speaker 3: You know, Lisa and I were concerned about potential security
Speaker 3: issues again, which is why we wanted William to be
Speaker 3: in a different environment than being at home. Our two
Speaker 3: older kids are one generation removed from Donald. I just
Speaker 3: felt it was the right time. It's too important for
Speaker 3: me to stay silent after what has been happening over
Speaker 3: the past few years, and as you probably know, what's
Speaker 3: going to be happening over the next ninety some odd days.
Speaker 1: Did you tell Trump that you were going to do this?
Speaker 1: And was there pushback? And I know I saw what
Speaker 1: Eric tweeted. I mean, just talk to me about making
Speaker 1: that decision.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Interestingly enough, we had thought about a book years ago,
Speaker 3: but it didn't start evolving until September or so of
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, and I did reach out to Donnie.
Speaker 3: I won't call him don Junior. I call him Donnie
Speaker 3: and Avanka and Eric with the thoughts that I wanted
Speaker 3: to do at that point, which was a again to
Speaker 3: honor Dad and William, but also go into where our
Speaker 3: family's next generations should go. I'm upholled by the attitude, dudes,
Speaker 3: of just the violence and the horrible rhetoric. So I
Speaker 3: wanted to try to get to them and say, hey,
Speaker 3: can we tone this down? And I will give her credit.
Speaker 3: Avoca did write a very gracious note to us with
Speaker 3: some ideas on that, and you know, I promised I
Speaker 3: would not use anything without letting her know. We wound
Speaker 3: up not using what Evoga said. But I do appreciate
Speaker 3: it as far as Eric's and I of course have
Speaker 3: read it, and I appreciate the way my sister Mary
Speaker 3: took him down in a tweet a week or so ago.
Speaker 3: But I'm sure Eric has not read the book. I'm
Speaker 3: sure Donnie or Donald has read the book. I encourage
Speaker 3: your listeners to do so to understand in a first
Speaker 3: person account, really what the truth is. It's interesting to
Speaker 3: me that in Eric's statement he didn't mention anything about
Speaker 3: the comments his father made about his nephew, my son William.
Speaker 1: Will you talk about this comment he made that was
Speaker 1: so shocking to you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it started, Molly right after Donald was inaugurated. That's
Speaker 3: when I knew I'd have the ability to advocate more
Speaker 3: personally for the disabled community, and again I reached out
Speaker 3: to Avanka and she was very helpful in leading us
Speaker 3: to some Cabinet secretaries. I brought down just a fantastic
Speaker 3: group of advocates on several occasions, and it culminated in
Speaker 3: a White House meeting in the Oval office with Donald
Speaker 3: and he seemed engaged and understood where we were going.
Speaker 3: This was very high level topics regarding the intellectually and
Speaker 3: developmental disabled community. And the meeting dispersed and I was
Speaker 3: called back in and Donald greeted me with the typical Haye,
Speaker 3: L how's it going? And we sat down and he goes,
Speaker 3: those people the cars, why don't they just die? And
Speaker 3: obviously that's a shocking thing to say, especially for someone
Speaker 3: in such power that could do such good, And that
Speaker 3: was his comment. And then flash forward three years later
Speaker 3: when he and I were on the phone call together
Speaker 3: to discuss some funding issues regarding William's well being to
Speaker 3: pay for his therapeutic needs, which unfortunately this country insurance
Speaker 3: won't cover. And his response was, he doesn't recognize you
Speaker 3: let him die and move down to Florida. Now, I
Speaker 3: don't know how you can explain somebody saying that about
Speaker 3: another human being, but to say it about your own
Speaker 3: grand nephew is just shocking. And I still can't wrap
Speaker 3: my head around it. And my only response was, no, Donald,
Speaker 3: he does recognize me.
Speaker 1: You know, I've had experiences like that where somebody has
Speaker 1: said something that was so crushing because your whole life
Speaker 1: is your children, and you have his disabled child, and
Speaker 1: you don't know what to say. I mean, right, I
Speaker 1: mean I must have just been a horrible moment.
Speaker 3: It was. And here's the thing, Molly. Donald has never
Speaker 3: met William. He never asked to meet William. So he's
Speaker 3: making this judgment about somebody he has no firsthand knowledge of.
Speaker 3: I mean, his grandnephew, his relative, his blood. And I
Speaker 3: often say, you know, Donald hates losing. He hates losing
Speaker 3: more than anything. In my mind, he's the big loser
Speaker 3: for not getting to know William and understanding it and
Speaker 3: maybe using that for good as opposed to using the
Speaker 3: disabled or the wounded veterans as props and something to
Speaker 3: make him feel good.
Speaker 1: Do you think having a disabled child changed you?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? But my mother and my father were very, very
Speaker 3: caring people. Dad certainly was the big rooter for the underdog.
Speaker 3: That's how he was. And my mom was just so
Speaker 3: much involved in volunteering at a local hospital, and she
Speaker 3: knew a family back in the sixties and I remember
Speaker 3: it child had cerebral palsy and Mom would go there
Speaker 3: every week to help pat down the kid, to give
Speaker 3: him the feeling and the touch that was necessary for him.
Speaker 3: So I've been involved in this one way or another.
Speaker 3: But yes, William has changed my life. He just brings
Speaker 3: such warmth. If you look at his eyes and his smile,
Speaker 3: people just automatically fall in love with him. But let's
Speaker 3: be clear, there are millions and millions of disabled people
Speaker 3: who need help that I've been lucky enough to give
Speaker 3: to William. But we need as a country to move
Speaker 3: forward and helping this vast community. And if you saw today,
Speaker 3: Senator Hassan wrote a beautiful op ed piece in the
Speaker 3: Boston Globe. In fact mentioned my book in the opening lines.
Speaker 3: So there's got to be a movement. And as long
Speaker 3: as I have what I think I have is some
Speaker 3: kind of platform, I'm going to use it full on
Speaker 3: to write some very long standing wrongs for this community.
Speaker 1: Do you think that Donald should be president again now?
Speaker 3: And That's why you may have heard that I am
Speaker 3: not only voting for Kamala Harrison and Governor Walls, but
Speaker 3: I will campaign on their behalf. Two things in my mind,
Speaker 3: First of all, for the country. She is what stands
Speaker 3: between us and very dark dystopian times, especially under Donald
Speaker 3: and what is morphed into the Republican Party. Certainly not
Speaker 3: the Republican Party I remember years ago with Project twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five. Now she will keep our freedoms intact and
Speaker 3: move them forward. She also and if you've read the
Speaker 3: literature and heard Governor Wallace talk about the disabled, that's
Speaker 3: going to be a great partnership for this very fast community.
Speaker 1: How do you think Trump got here? You know him,
Speaker 1: you grew up with him. How do you think that
Speaker 1: he's sort of found himself in this situation.
Speaker 3: He's always had the ability to make people feel good
Speaker 3: about themselves, even though he just doesn't care about them.
Speaker 3: He uses people as props. Call it populism, call it
Speaker 3: whatever you want to, but that's in my mind what
Speaker 3: he does so well. I think it's just grotesque, but
Speaker 3: it happens. I call it trickle down cruelty. He will
Speaker 3: make this group of people feel good about themselves because
Speaker 3: the group below them are lesser people. That's how he
Speaker 3: does it. He will use them as props and then
Speaker 3: cast them aside as soon as his goals are met.
Speaker 1: Do you think that Trump believes what he says? Like,
Speaker 1: for example, for many years he was a dam and
Speaker 1: there's certainly things that he seems to have supported that
Speaker 1: don't necessarily jive with some of his lived experience.
Speaker 4: Do you think that's also true or now?
Speaker 3: Oh, oh, certainly, I'll use two example. Abortion writes he
Speaker 3: was obviously pull on, and you know, the word abortion
Speaker 3: has been twisted into pretzels over the years. You know,
Speaker 3: women's reproductive health is what it is in my mind.
Speaker 3: Gun control, he would always say, oh, I have a
Speaker 3: gun permit, okay, But he wasn't out there, you know,
Speaker 3: shooting targets, are shooting animals. But all of a sudden
Speaker 3: he's the biggest gun advocate there is. In fact, I
Speaker 3: remember one time, and just to give a little indication
Speaker 3: of how close I was after the Vivaldi shooting, I
Speaker 3: called him up. I was shocked, like, well, maybe shocked,
Speaker 3: we've become numb unfortunately told that gun violence. So I
Speaker 3: called him up and he got back to me and
Speaker 3: I said, Donald, You've got to do something about this,
Speaker 3: and his answer simply was there's nothing I can do,
Speaker 3: which was disappointing and maybe goes to your point that
Speaker 3: he's changed to believe in what others are telling him
Speaker 3: to benefit his political career in his future right.
Speaker 1: And that certainly sounds right. Do you think that he
Speaker 1: really does just not have a belief system or do
Speaker 1: you think he now believes these things, or do you
Speaker 1: think he just is clinging to power.
Speaker 3: I think he's clinging to power. And I think he
Speaker 3: is famous for saying something time and time and time again.
Speaker 3: You know which on which on which on woindt hut.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's he says it that much
Speaker 3: for him to believe it or for his supporters to
Speaker 3: believe it. I don't think he has much of a
Speaker 3: belief system. I think it's what he needs to stay
Speaker 3: in power and to grow that power is what he
Speaker 3: will accept and take forward with him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. If you sort of had a
Speaker 1: thought about what you would think the way to do
Speaker 1: feed him would be, what would it be? I mean,
Speaker 1: you know him from growing up, You have a certain
Speaker 1: insight into him.
Speaker 3: There's one characteristic that he and I share well, besides
Speaker 3: the love and passion of golf. We are both relentless.
Speaker 3: He will stay after something and not let it go.
Speaker 3: I have the same relentlessness in me. And there's a
Speaker 3: fun little anecdote in the book about when I was
Speaker 3: running for student council president that the great q Farsol
Speaker 3: school that actually Donald was thrown out of the way.
Speaker 3: If I were to advise the Iris campaign, and I
Speaker 3: hope to do so, you cannot stop. You have to
Speaker 3: keep going. There are things that get out under his
Speaker 3: skin that will set him off, and you have to
Speaker 3: use that for the positive of your campaign. You can't
Speaker 3: rest on laurels for a second. And Molly, you know this.
Speaker 3: It's going to get ugly. It's going to get ugly,
Speaker 3: and they have to prepare for that. The Harris campaign does.
Speaker 3: He's got a lot of queens in him, as I do.
Speaker 3: And just buckle your seat belt.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I mean I think that that's, you know,
Speaker 1: sounds very to me. There was a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: that the family did with the money stuff. Can you
Speaker 1: talk about that just for a minute?
Speaker 3: I can, and I think it brings up an extremely
Speaker 3: important endpoint to it. When my son William was born,
Speaker 3: he had hundreds of seizures a day, and he was
Speaker 3: born at Mount Sinai hospital that you may be familiar with.
Speaker 3: I was born there, Mary was born there. All three
Speaker 3: of my kids were born there. It's within a half
Speaker 3: a mile of where Donald and my aunts and uncle
Speaker 3: other uncle lived. They never visited him ever, and they
Speaker 3: didn't even all to see how he was doing. In fact,
Speaker 3: there was one time when my grandmother asked me two
Speaker 3: weeks in or so she knew that Lisa and I
Speaker 3: needed to just get out and have a dinner, and said, oh,
Speaker 3: I have some relatives in from Scotland. You mind having dinner?
Speaker 3: And Lisa and I of course is my grandmother had
Speaker 3: such a nice relationship with her. And as we entered
Speaker 3: the restaurant there was Donald and Milania and all he
Speaker 3: could muster up was, hey, I hear your kids sick.
Speaker 3: Lash forward seven weeks later, seven weeks after William being
Speaker 3: in the neonatal intensive care unit of three different hospitals,
Speaker 3: we're home and we get a note from Donald's attorney saying,
Speaker 3: in essence, we were cut out of my grandfather's will.
Speaker 3: Now Donald was going through very very bad, humiliating financial
Speaker 3: distress at that time, so bad and so humiliating that
Speaker 3: the banks had to put him on an allowance. So
Speaker 3: he hatched this scheme to take Mary and I out
Speaker 3: of my grandfather's inheritance. So he not only took advantage
Speaker 3: of my grandfather's his father's dementia at the time, he
Speaker 3: trod on my father's memory, his brother, and at the
Speaker 3: most vulnerable time of my life to help me out
Speaker 3: or tried to take me out of as well. And
Speaker 3: the thing I hope your listeners will understand is Donald
Speaker 3: was my trustee after my father passed. Donald was named
Speaker 3: the trustee for me. So here you are, the guy
Speaker 3: who's supposed to protect me and my family did the
Speaker 3: exact opposite. So I can simply ask, if I couldn't
Speaker 3: trust him to take care of me, how can the
Speaker 3: country trust him to take care of them?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think that's right.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Fred, Oh Molly, my pleasure.
Speaker 4: Are you concerned.
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Speaker 1: Monica Trenelle is the Democratic nominee in Montana's first congressional district.
Speaker 4: Welcome to Fast Politics, Monica.
Speaker 5: Thank you for having me, Mollie. It's great to be
Speaker 5: back after last cycle and give you enough day. Where
Speaker 5: we are in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Let's hear it. But first talk to me about the Olympics.
Speaker 5: The Olympics are such an amazing experience. I just absolutely
Speaker 5: love watching the highs, the lows, the athletes, the finish line,
Speaker 5: the photo finishes, just every piece at the high jump.
Speaker 5: I mean just seeing these athletes in the prime of
Speaker 5: their careers, representing their countries and putting it all on
Speaker 5: the line. It is always such a pick me up
Speaker 5: to experience this moment, and I mean having been there,
Speaker 5: it really touches something inside of me and I am
Speaker 5: so inspired. You feel like it's so great to have
Speaker 5: this moment where we see the best in people and
Speaker 5: we realize we can be our best selves. We can
Speaker 5: be our Olympic selves. Right, we can all do that
Speaker 5: every day. It's such a great reminder that we can
Speaker 5: be better than we are.
Speaker 4: Just remind me what's for you?
Speaker 5: You did rowing? So I was in the women's eight
Speaker 5: in nineteen ninety six and I was in the single
Speaker 5: I read the single for the United States and two thousand.
Speaker 5: If you remember Muhammad Ali with the torch in Atlanta
Speaker 5: above his head. I was standing in the infield next
Speaker 5: to Shaquille O'Neill, who is a very large human.
Speaker 1: So explain to me what your campaign looks like and
Speaker 1: sort of the lessons you've learned from your last campaign.
Speaker 5: Well, we did a lot right last time. We made
Speaker 5: it a three point race without any outside resources. So
Speaker 5: this cycle, what's different is we have we're starting from
Speaker 5: a higher foundation. I have more name recognition going into it.
Speaker 5: And I have put lots and lots of miles on
Speaker 5: the ground here in Montana. This is the western district
Speaker 5: where the only state in the country to lose a
Speaker 5: congressional seat and then get it back. So it was
Speaker 5: an open seat in twenty two after the twenty twenty census,
Speaker 5: and I think one of the things I learned is
Speaker 5: that we have a lot of first time to Montana voters,
Speaker 5: not first time voters, but new in Montana, so people
Speaker 5: who've moved here, which is why we have this seat.
Speaker 5: And realizing the issues on the ground are housing, housing,
Speaker 5: and housing. So we've had a farmously fast growth and
Speaker 5: how that impacts people on the ground. So making sure
Speaker 5: that I'm connecting with people, getting out talking to people,
Speaker 5: building relationships, building trust. Montana, like everywhere, is retail politics.
Speaker 5: You have to do it on the ground. You have
Speaker 5: to have those base to face conversations. And I will
Speaker 5: be the only Democrat between Seattle and Minneapolis and down
Speaker 5: to Denver. So really making sure that rural America has
Speaker 5: a voice, which is how I grew up, It's what
Speaker 5: I know, and this is my home. So really getting
Speaker 5: that rural voice out and amplified is important to me.
Speaker 5: And that's what I'm doing on the ground, walking in parades,
Speaker 5: shaking hands, building relationships, building trust, to work for the
Speaker 5: only home that I have.
Speaker 1: So talk to us about what Montana is like, what
Speaker 1: the election looks like there.
Speaker 5: Montana has always been a purple date, and we vote
Speaker 5: for people, not parties, and so we take every candidate
Speaker 5: on their own terms and their own merits. We have
Speaker 5: done that through our history as a state, and so
Speaker 5: we're very purple. We have had a strong track record
Speaker 5: of champions in the Democratic Party for public lands and
Speaker 5: civil rights. Mike mansfieldly metcalf Pat Williams Senator tester for sure.
Speaker 5: So I'm asking people to vote for me as a person.
Speaker 5: The election here in Montana, in this western district, which
Speaker 5: is sixteen counties, is rural and urban. It is college
Speaker 5: campuses the Montana State University campus and the University of
Speaker 5: Montana campus in Missoula. And two tribal nations the Mscopi Pecuni,
Speaker 5: the Blackfeet tribe up in northern Montana on the Canadian border,
Speaker 5: and then the Confederated sal and Coutney tribes around Flathead Lake.
Speaker 5: So interesting demographics. It really spans the rural, urban, young,
Speaker 5: old and we have a minority population with the Native
Speaker 5: American vote that is outcome determinative.
Speaker 4: What does that mean.
Speaker 5: That means that there are fifteen thousand registered Native American
Speaker 5: voters that could make the difference in the election one
Speaker 5: way or the other depending on how close this is.
Speaker 5: And we expect it to be a plus election up
Speaker 5: and down the ballot, So we're going to win on
Speaker 5: small margins. So we need to get everyone voting, and
Speaker 5: we need to also have some crossover persuasion votes.
Speaker 1: Also, you have a really important centers.
Speaker 5: Oh for sure, Senator Tester is on the ballot, and
Speaker 5: that was one of the reasons that compelled me to
Speaker 5: run again because with his resources on the ground, it
Speaker 5: will help get out the vote in a way that
Speaker 5: will really make a difference for me. And so having
Speaker 5: people voting means that I can focus my resources on
Speaker 5: meeting everyone and making sure that they know who I
Speaker 5: am and that they have an option and that they
Speaker 5: can vote for me as well. So that Senate race
Speaker 5: is one of the most expensive or most important. Now
Speaker 5: every want to praise at Molly in the country. I mean,
Speaker 5: there are a couple of others that are pretty high profile,
Speaker 5: but Senator Chester is an important person on the ballot,
Speaker 5: and so he's bringing resources that I can put to
Speaker 5: good use for me if I use them correctly, which
Speaker 5: is making sure people who are going to be voting
Speaker 5: know me as well.
Speaker 1: Right. So do you feel and again, we on this
Speaker 1: podcast talk a lot about this idea that down ballot
Speaker 1: races support top of the ticket candidates and vice versa.
Speaker 5: Do you feel like that it's a really interesting time.
Speaker 5: I've certainly been aware of those conversations and a lot
Speaker 5: of different venues, and I've heard your conversations around it too.
Speaker 5: I think it's a situation where we don't really know
Speaker 5: who's driving what in a lot of ways in these
Speaker 5: unique districts like Montana. There are a lot of states
Speaker 5: where the get out the vote effort or the voters
Speaker 5: and presidential races really do drive turnout. But Montana is
Speaker 5: its own unique brand and it's a very independent state.
Speaker 5: And so I think having candidates starting down ballot who
Speaker 5: are going to drive excitement and generate enthusiasm that certainly
Speaker 5: can drive turnout and help higher ticket races. But last
Speaker 5: year and twenty two of the sixteen counties in this
Speaker 5: new district, I was the only Democrat. In two of
Speaker 5: those counties, I was the only Democrat on the ballot,
Speaker 5: So that makes it pretty tough to generate turnout. So
Speaker 5: having down ballot candidates in the legislative races certainly helps
Speaker 5: on the ground for people who were really connected. And
Speaker 5: I will say that there has been a tremendous amount
Speaker 5: of enthusiasm for voting in the last three weeks. That
Speaker 5: is new, and the college campuses in this district I
Speaker 5: think will help that as well. So I think in
Speaker 5: this age where we don't know where people get their
Speaker 5: news and their information, I think the question of is
Speaker 5: it a top down or bottom up or a both?
Speaker 5: And I think that's sort of an open question and
Speaker 5: a strategic approach that we're all trying to figure out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also think that it's interesting to me
Speaker 1: that when we're focused on really giving people choices, they
Speaker 1: vote for them, right, I mean, that gets them excited.
Speaker 1: So tell me sort of how you're campaigning in Montana
Speaker 1: and the people you're talking to, what are their concerns.
Speaker 5: I'll answer that last question first, their concerns and order
Speaker 5: our housing. Housing and housing that is the top issue,
Speaker 5: and there's no number two that's even close. It's really
Speaker 5: top of mind for us because we've had so much
Speaker 5: growth and it's been so rapid, and there have been
Speaker 5: a lot of people coming to Montana who are buying
Speaker 5: up huge swaths of land and property and really squeezing
Speaker 5: out the people who have lived here, or even people
Speaker 5: who have come here recently and are setting down roots,
Speaker 5: they feel squeezed too. So the median home price in
Speaker 5: Montana right now is in Western Montana's over seven hundred
Speaker 5: thousand dollars, and if you're a teacher making thirty thousand
Speaker 5: dollars a year, that's just not going to work. I've
Speaker 5: talked to the sheriff in Flathead County told me that
Speaker 5: some of his deputies are living in campers. I've talked
Speaker 5: to schools who have jobs open for teachings and they're
Speaker 5: not getting any applicants because they can't find a place
Speaker 5: to live. The labor market is a huge part of
Speaker 5: that lumber mill closing because they can't hire workers because
Speaker 5: there isn't a place where those people can afford to live.
Speaker 5: So it's really housing, housing, and housing, and that's driving
Speaker 5: so many other pieces of the conversation. So that opp
Speaker 5: of mind.
Speaker 1: Are people not able to build houses because of restrictions
Speaker 1: or is there something else?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so your question is really what's the issue and
Speaker 5: how do we now? I have that housing plan on
Speaker 5: my website, and really the first it has three parts assessment, accountability,
Speaker 5: holding bad actors, accountability, and affordability making sure that we
Speaker 5: have housing stock that people can afford to buy. But
Speaker 5: the first assessment goes to your point of what is
Speaker 5: driving the shortage, what's behind it? And so I address
Speaker 5: that in my plan. I talk about assessment, and they're
Speaker 5: really the need to understand do we actually need to
Speaker 5: build more units or do we need to loosen the
Speaker 5: housing supply that already exists by disincentivizing second, third, fourth
Speaker 5: home ownership or corporate ownership of houses that are in
Speaker 5: a highly desirable area and then renting them out so
Speaker 5: airbnbs and short term rentals, and making sure that houses
Speaker 5: are where families and people go to sleep at night
Speaker 5: and love and fight and raise their kids and you know,
Speaker 5: figure out their lives. But it's not an investment portfolio piece.
Speaker 5: So the assessment piece of it is really really important.
Speaker 5: In two of our counties, the vacancy rate is fifty percent,
Speaker 5: so you're talking about a lot of houses that aren't
Speaker 5: getting lived in for a lot of the time. And
Speaker 5: so do we actually really want to just build more
Speaker 5: or do we want to incentivize making sure that houses
Speaker 5: are places where people live in a community. And to me,
Speaker 5: I think that's really more of the issues. So the
Speaker 5: holding bad actors accountable is really about following the money,
Speaker 5: making sure that we're not making it economically desirable to
Speaker 5: hold on to lots and lots of empty houses. From
Speaker 5: a corporate ownership perspective, so where we see private equity
Speaker 5: buying up nursing homes, private equity buying trailer lots and
Speaker 5: raising and then selling off the land lots for higher dollars,
Speaker 5: we need to tackle that with economic policies. And then
Speaker 5: the final one is making sure that there are in
Speaker 5: fact available houses that people can buy and that they
Speaker 5: can live in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so important.
Speaker 1: And so it's not a building problem, it's not an
Speaker 1: inventory problem.
Speaker 4: It's people aren't incentivized to fill their houses.
Speaker 5: Well, I think that it is an inventory problem in
Speaker 5: one way, but I think that's a part of a
Speaker 5: larger problem. Right, So what do we mean when we
Speaker 5: say inventory. We need to make sure that what's available
Speaker 5: in Anaconda, for example, they're building houses that are three
Speaker 5: hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: Right, and people don't have money.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that sounds may sound great if you're in New
Speaker 5: York or San Francisco or Los Angeles, but in Anaconda.
Speaker 4: It's crazy. For Montana.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's not an affordable house if you're a law
Speaker 5: enforcement officer or a teacher. And you know, I've talked
Speaker 5: to people who are working multiple jobs making twenty dollars
Speaker 5: an hour and they can't find a place to live.
Speaker 5: And a lot of the you know, issues around that,
Speaker 5: they impact our small businesses because small businesses need their
Speaker 5: workforce to be invested in the community, to live in
Speaker 5: the community. They small businesses don't benefit from high turnover.
Speaker 5: They need to be able to stay here and be
Speaker 5: invested in what they're doing. So that's really important, and
Speaker 5: you know, I think that that's the piece that we
Speaker 5: need to take on. And you know, I have in
Speaker 5: my housing plan, I have this follow the money piece
Speaker 5: of it. And I'm uniquely positioned to do that because
Speaker 5: that's what I've spent my entire career doing. I've taken
Speaker 5: on big corporate interests, I've followed the money in monopoly utilities.
Speaker 5: And believe me, if you can follow the money and
Speaker 5: monopoly utilities, you can follow it anywhere because they are
Speaker 5: really good at hiding where their produits come from. That's,
Speaker 5: you know, the fact that people are benefiting off of
Speaker 5: our pain. That's what people really hate. And you know,
Speaker 5: that's a huge contrast between me and my opponent Ryan Zinki,
Speaker 5: who he has an address that he's registered to vote
Speaker 5: from in Monte and that address is a place that's
Speaker 5: listed on Airbnb. You can go rent it now, And
Speaker 5: that is not right.
Speaker 1: Ryan Zinchi also really sucks.
Speaker 4: He was in the Trump administration.
Speaker 5: He lives in Santa Barbara. He was fired by Trump
Speaker 5: for ethics violations.
Speaker 1: Right, which is imagine being fired by Trump for ethics violations.
Speaker 5: Well, so it's the corruption, and it's the you know,
Speaker 5: the lack of integrity. But it's even deeper than that.
Speaker 5: It's about his selling off Montana's lands, selling off public lands.
Speaker 5: You know what he has done to personally profit from
Speaker 5: his office.
Speaker 1: He's a privateer, really, right, didn't he also build the skiff?
Speaker 1: And wasn't he behind the tactical pants controversy where he
Speaker 1: used government bunny to buy all new clothing.
Speaker 5: You know, he is using public office for his personal gain.
Speaker 5: Remember the scandal where he spent one hundred and thirty nine,
Speaker 5: one hundred thousand dollars on doors for hisfice in the interior.
Speaker 5: And this is when people one hundred and thirty nine,
Speaker 5: one hundred thousand dollars think about what that would buy
Speaker 5: you and a house. People in Montana are looking to
Speaker 5: have a trailer for ten thousand dollars and he's spending
Speaker 5: you know, multiples of that on a door for his
Speaker 5: new office and the secretary of theterier at our expense.
Speaker 5: Those are the kinds of things. And the fact that
Speaker 5: he is the properties that he owns in Montana he
Speaker 5: has listed as airbnbs. So it's the fact that he
Speaker 5: is profiting off of the thing that is hurting us.
Speaker 5: Most people are coming to Montana and making a profit
Speaker 5: from the housing stock, and we can't find a place
Speaker 5: to live. The people who are serving and living in
Speaker 5: our communities can't find a place to live. That has
Speaker 5: to change, and I'm here to change it.
Speaker 4: Absolutely so true.
Speaker 1: I'm so right, Monica.
Speaker 4: Thank you for joining us.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Molly. I really appreciate everything You're doing.
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