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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds and Donald Trump campaign manager Chris la

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Speaker 1: Savita is trying to swift vote Governor Tim Walls, just

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Speaker 1: like he swift voted presidential candidate John Carey. We have

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Speaker 1: such a great show for you today. Fred Trump, who

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Speaker 1: is Donald Trump's nephew, stops by to talk about his

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Speaker 1: new book All in the Family, The Trumps and how

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Speaker 1: we got this way. Then we'll talk to former Olympian

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Speaker 1: Monica Trenell, who is a candidate in Montana's first district

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Speaker 1: against Ryan Zinki. But first we at the host of

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Speaker 1: the Mary Trump Show, the One the Only Mary Trump.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics. My friend really like a person.

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Speaker 1: I just really adore Mary Trump.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Molly, you know what, You're awesome. And what's also

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Speaker 2: awesome is that we're having a conversation and it's time

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Speaker 2: when things don't feel so apocalyptic.

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Speaker 1: I feel like there are some people who will be

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Speaker 1: okay no matter what. I am not one of those people.

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Speaker 3: Like that's right.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: I say this every time you come on, but it's

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Speaker 1: because it really informs some of the questions I ask you,

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Speaker 1: and I feel like listeners should remember these two things.

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Speaker 1: You are very steeped in psychology and you have a

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Speaker 1: have absolutely the most unique perspective of almost anyone this cycle.

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately for you, every cycle has spends twenty fucking sixteen.

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Speaker 2: So where is he now? Well, where's Waldo of American politics?

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Speaker 2: Seeps to have disappeared from the patrol. This might sound

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Speaker 2: when the only headline you've gotten in the last week

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Speaker 5: So I think that's good.

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Speaker 2: The problem is I don't think there's anything that will

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Speaker 1: Fred Trump is the author of All in the Family,

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Speaker 1: The Trumps and How We Got this Way.

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Speaker 4: Welcome too Fast, Politics, Fred Trump.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Molly, it's great to be here.

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Speaker 1: Your sister wrote a memoir. You've really stayed out of

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Speaker 4: What changed well.

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Speaker 3: The book was written to honor my father, Fred Donald's

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Speaker 1: You know, I've had experiences like that where somebody has

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Speaker 3: knew a family back in the sixties and I remember

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Speaker 3: it child had cerebral palsy and Mom would go there

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Speaker 3: every week to help pat down the kid, to give

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Speaker 3: him the feeling and the touch that was necessary for him.

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Speaker 3: So I've been involved in this one way or another.

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Speaker 3: But yes, William has changed my life. He just brings

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Speaker 3: such warmth. If you look at his eyes and his smile,

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Speaker 3: people just automatically fall in love with him. But let's

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Speaker 3: be clear, there are millions and millions of disabled people

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Speaker 3: who need help that I've been lucky enough to give

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Speaker 3: to William. But we need as a country to move

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Speaker 3: forward and helping this vast community. And if you saw today,

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Speaker 3: Senator Hassan wrote a beautiful op ed piece in the

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Speaker 3: Boston Globe. In fact mentioned my book in the opening lines.

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Speaker 3: So there's got to be a movement. And as long

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Speaker 3: as I have what I think I have is some

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Speaker 3: kind of platform, I'm going to use it full on

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Speaker 3: to write some very long standing wrongs for this community.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that Donald should be president again now?

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Speaker 3: And That's why you may have heard that I am

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Speaker 3: not only voting for Kamala Harrison and Governor Walls, but

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Speaker 3: I will campaign on their behalf. Two things in my mind,

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Speaker 3: First of all, for the country. She is what stands

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Speaker 3: between us and very dark dystopian times, especially under Donald

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Speaker 3: and what is morphed into the Republican Party. Certainly not

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Speaker 3: the Republican Party I remember years ago with Project twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty five. Now she will keep our freedoms intact and

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Speaker 3: move them forward. She also and if you've read the

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Speaker 3: literature and heard Governor Wallace talk about the disabled, that's

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Speaker 3: going to be a great partnership for this very fast community.

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Speaker 1: How do you think Trump got here? You know him,

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Speaker 1: you grew up with him. How do you think that

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Speaker 1: he's sort of found himself in this situation.

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Speaker 3: He's always had the ability to make people feel good

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Speaker 3: about themselves, even though he just doesn't care about them.

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Speaker 3: He uses people as props. Call it populism, call it

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Speaker 3: whatever you want to, but that's in my mind what

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Speaker 3: he does so well. I think it's just grotesque, but

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Speaker 3: it happens. I call it trickle down cruelty. He will

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Speaker 3: make this group of people feel good about themselves because

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Speaker 3: the group below them are lesser people. That's how he

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Speaker 3: does it. He will use them as props and then

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Speaker 3: cast them aside as soon as his goals are met.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that Trump believes what he says? Like,

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Speaker 1: for example, for many years he was a dam and

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Speaker 1: there's certainly things that he seems to have supported that

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Speaker 1: don't necessarily jive with some of his lived experience.

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Speaker 4: Do you think that's also true or now?

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Speaker 3: Oh, oh, certainly, I'll use two example. Abortion writes he

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Speaker 3: was obviously pull on, and you know, the word abortion

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Speaker 3: has been twisted into pretzels over the years. You know,

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Speaker 3: women's reproductive health is what it is in my mind.

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Speaker 3: Gun control, he would always say, oh, I have a

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Speaker 3: gun permit, okay, But he wasn't out there, you know,

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Speaker 3: shooting targets, are shooting animals. But all of a sudden

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Speaker 3: he's the biggest gun advocate there is. In fact, I

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Speaker 3: remember one time, and just to give a little indication

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Speaker 3: of how close I was after the Vivaldi shooting, I

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Speaker 3: called him up. I was shocked, like, well, maybe shocked,

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Speaker 3: we've become numb unfortunately told that gun violence. So I

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Speaker 3: called him up and he got back to me and

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Speaker 3: I said, Donald, You've got to do something about this,

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Speaker 3: and his answer simply was there's nothing I can do,

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Speaker 3: which was disappointing and maybe goes to your point that

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Speaker 3: he's changed to believe in what others are telling him

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Speaker 3: to benefit his political career in his future right.

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Speaker 1: And that certainly sounds right. Do you think that he

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Speaker 1: really does just not have a belief system or do

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Speaker 1: you think he now believes these things, or do you

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Speaker 1: think he just is clinging to power.

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Speaker 3: I think he's clinging to power. And I think he

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Speaker 3: is famous for saying something time and time and time again.

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Speaker 3: You know which on which on which on woindt hut.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if that's he says it that much

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Speaker 3: for him to believe it or for his supporters to

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Speaker 3: believe it. I don't think he has much of a

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Speaker 3: belief system. I think it's what he needs to stay

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Speaker 3: in power and to grow that power is what he

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Speaker 3: will accept and take forward with him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. If you sort of had a

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Speaker 1: thought about what you would think the way to do

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Speaker 1: feed him would be, what would it be? I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know him from growing up, You have a certain

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Speaker 1: insight into him.

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Speaker 3: There's one characteristic that he and I share well, besides

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Speaker 3: the love and passion of golf. We are both relentless.

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Speaker 3: He will stay after something and not let it go.

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Speaker 3: I have the same relentlessness in me. And there's a

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Speaker 3: fun little anecdote in the book about when I was

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Speaker 3: running for student council president that the great q Farsol

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Speaker 3: school that actually Donald was thrown out of the way.

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Speaker 3: If I were to advise the Iris campaign, and I

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Speaker 3: hope to do so, you cannot stop. You have to

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Speaker 3: keep going. There are things that get out under his

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Speaker 3: skin that will set him off, and you have to

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Speaker 3: use that for the positive of your campaign. You can't

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Speaker 3: rest on laurels for a second. And Molly, you know this.

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Speaker 3: It's going to get ugly. It's going to get ugly,

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Speaker 3: and they have to prepare for that. The Harris campaign does.

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Speaker 3: He's got a lot of queens in him, as I do.

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Speaker 3: And just buckle your seat belt.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, I mean I think that that's, you know,

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Speaker 1: sounds very to me. There was a lot of stuff

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Speaker 1: that the family did with the money stuff. Can you

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Speaker 1: talk about that just for a minute?

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Speaker 3: I can, and I think it brings up an extremely

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Speaker 3: important endpoint to it. When my son William was born,

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Speaker 3: he had hundreds of seizures a day, and he was

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Speaker 3: born at Mount Sinai hospital that you may be familiar with.

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Speaker 3: I was born there, Mary was born there. All three

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Speaker 3: of my kids were born there. It's within a half

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Speaker 3: a mile of where Donald and my aunts and uncle

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Speaker 3: other uncle lived. They never visited him ever, and they

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Speaker 3: didn't even all to see how he was doing. In fact,

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Speaker 3: there was one time when my grandmother asked me two

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Speaker 3: weeks in or so she knew that Lisa and I

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Speaker 3: needed to just get out and have a dinner, and said, oh,

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Speaker 3: I have some relatives in from Scotland. You mind having dinner?

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Speaker 3: And Lisa and I of course is my grandmother had

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Speaker 3: such a nice relationship with her. And as we entered

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Speaker 3: the restaurant there was Donald and Milania and all he

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Speaker 3: could muster up was, hey, I hear your kids sick.

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Speaker 3: Lash forward seven weeks later, seven weeks after William being

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Speaker 3: in the neonatal intensive care unit of three different hospitals,

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Speaker 3: we're home and we get a note from Donald's attorney saying,

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Speaker 3: in essence, we were cut out of my grandfather's will.

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Speaker 3: Now Donald was going through very very bad, humiliating financial

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Speaker 3: distress at that time, so bad and so humiliating that

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Speaker 3: the banks had to put him on an allowance. So

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Speaker 3: he hatched this scheme to take Mary and I out

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Speaker 3: of my grandfather's inheritance. So he not only took advantage

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Speaker 3: of my grandfather's his father's dementia at the time, he

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Speaker 3: trod on my father's memory, his brother, and at the

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Speaker 3: most vulnerable time of my life to help me out

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Speaker 3: or tried to take me out of as well. And

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Speaker 3: the thing I hope your listeners will understand is Donald

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Speaker 3: was my trustee after my father passed. Donald was named

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Speaker 3: the trustee for me. So here you are, the guy

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Speaker 3: who's supposed to protect me and my family did the

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Speaker 3: exact opposite. So I can simply ask, if I couldn't

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Speaker 3: trust him to take care of me, how can the

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Speaker 3: country trust him to take care of them?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I think that's right.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Fred, Oh Molly, my pleasure.

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Speaker 4: Are you concerned.

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Speaker 1: About Project twenty twenty five and how awful Trump's second

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Speaker 1: term could be? Well, so are we, which is why

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Speaker 1: we teamed with iHeart to make a limited series with

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Speaker 1: the experts on what a disaster Project twenty twenty five

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Speaker 1: would be for America's future right now. The first four episodes,

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Speaker 1: looking up Molly John Faun Last Project twenty twenty five

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Speaker 1: to educate America on what Trump's second term would do

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Speaker 1: to this country. Please watch and help us spread the word.

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Speaker 1: Monica Trenelle is the Democratic nominee in Montana's first congressional district.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Fast Politics, Monica.

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Speaker 5: Thank you for having me, Mollie. It's great to be

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Speaker 5: back after last cycle and give you enough day. Where

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Speaker 5: we are in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Let's hear it. But first talk to me about the Olympics.

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Speaker 5: The Olympics are such an amazing experience. I just absolutely

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Speaker 5: love watching the highs, the lows, the athletes, the finish line,

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Speaker 5: the photo finishes, just every piece at the high jump.

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Speaker 5: I mean just seeing these athletes in the prime of

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Speaker 5: their careers, representing their countries and putting it all on

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Speaker 5: the line. It is always such a pick me up

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Speaker 5: to experience this moment, and I mean having been there,

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Speaker 5: it really touches something inside of me and I am

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Speaker 5: so inspired. You feel like it's so great to have

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Speaker 5: this moment where we see the best in people and

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Speaker 5: we realize we can be our best selves. We can

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Speaker 5: be our Olympic selves. Right, we can all do that

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Speaker 5: every day. It's such a great reminder that we can

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Speaker 5: be better than we are.

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Speaker 4: Just remind me what's for you?

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Speaker 5: You did rowing? So I was in the women's eight

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Speaker 5: in nineteen ninety six and I was in the single

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Speaker 5: I read the single for the United States and two thousand.

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Speaker 5: If you remember Muhammad Ali with the torch in Atlanta

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Speaker 5: above his head. I was standing in the infield next

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Speaker 5: to Shaquille O'Neill, who is a very large human.

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Speaker 1: So explain to me what your campaign looks like and

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Speaker 1: sort of the lessons you've learned from your last campaign.

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Speaker 5: Well, we did a lot right last time. We made

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Speaker 5: it a three point race without any outside resources. So

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Speaker 5: this cycle, what's different is we have we're starting from

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Speaker 5: a higher foundation. I have more name recognition going into it.

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Speaker 5: And I have put lots and lots of miles on

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Speaker 5: the ground here in Montana. This is the western district

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Speaker 5: where the only state in the country to lose a

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Speaker 5: congressional seat and then get it back. So it was

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Speaker 5: an open seat in twenty two after the twenty twenty census,

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Speaker 5: and I think one of the things I learned is

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Speaker 5: that we have a lot of first time to Montana voters,

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Speaker 5: not first time voters, but new in Montana, so people

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Speaker 5: who've moved here, which is why we have this seat.

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Speaker 5: And realizing the issues on the ground are housing, housing,

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Speaker 5: and housing. So we've had a farmously fast growth and

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Speaker 5: how that impacts people on the ground. So making sure

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Speaker 5: that I'm connecting with people, getting out talking to people,

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Speaker 5: building relationships, building trust. Montana, like everywhere, is retail politics.

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Speaker 5: You have to do it on the ground. You have

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Speaker 5: to have those base to face conversations. And I will

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Speaker 5: be the only Democrat between Seattle and Minneapolis and down

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Speaker 5: to Denver. So really making sure that rural America has

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Speaker 5: a voice, which is how I grew up, It's what

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Speaker 5: I know, and this is my home. So really getting

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Speaker 5: that rural voice out and amplified is important to me.

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Speaker 5: And that's what I'm doing on the ground, walking in parades,

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Speaker 5: shaking hands, building relationships, building trust, to work for the

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Speaker 5: only home that I have.

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Speaker 1: So talk to us about what Montana is like, what

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Speaker 1: the election looks like there.

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Speaker 5: Montana has always been a purple date, and we vote

654
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Speaker 5: for people, not parties, and so we take every candidate

655
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 5: on their own terms and their own merits. We have

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Speaker 5: done that through our history as a state, and so

657
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 5: we're very purple. We have had a strong track record

658
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 5: of champions in the Democratic Party for public lands and

659
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 5: civil rights. Mike mansfieldly metcalf Pat Williams Senator tester for sure.

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Speaker 5: So I'm asking people to vote for me as a person.

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Speaker 5: The election here in Montana, in this western district, which

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Speaker 5: is sixteen counties, is rural and urban. It is college

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Speaker 5: campuses the Montana State University campus and the University of

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Speaker 5: Montana campus in Missoula. And two tribal nations the Mscopi Pecuni,

665
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 5: the Blackfeet tribe up in northern Montana on the Canadian border,

666
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 5: and then the Confederated sal and Coutney tribes around Flathead Lake.

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Speaker 5: So interesting demographics. It really spans the rural, urban, young,

668
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 5: old and we have a minority population with the Native

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Speaker 5: American vote that is outcome determinative.

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Speaker 4: What does that mean.

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Speaker 5: That means that there are fifteen thousand registered Native American

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00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 5: voters that could make the difference in the election one

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Speaker 5: way or the other depending on how close this is.

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Speaker 5: And we expect it to be a plus election up

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Speaker 5: and down the ballot, So we're going to win on

676
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Speaker 5: small margins. So we need to get everyone voting, and

677
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 5: we need to also have some crossover persuasion votes.

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Speaker 1: Also, you have a really important centers.

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Speaker 5: Oh for sure, Senator Tester is on the ballot, and

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00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 5: that was one of the reasons that compelled me to

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Speaker 5: run again because with his resources on the ground, it

682
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 5: will help get out the vote in a way that

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Speaker 5: will really make a difference for me. And so having

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Speaker 5: people voting means that I can focus my resources on

685
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Speaker 5: meeting everyone and making sure that they know who I

686
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Speaker 5: am and that they have an option and that they

687
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Speaker 5: can vote for me as well. So that Senate race

688
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 5: is one of the most expensive or most important. Now

689
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 5: every want to praise at Molly in the country. I mean,

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Speaker 5: there are a couple of others that are pretty high profile,

691
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Speaker 5: but Senator Chester is an important person on the ballot,

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Speaker 5: and so he's bringing resources that I can put to

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Speaker 5: good use for me if I use them correctly, which

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Speaker 5: is making sure people who are going to be voting

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Speaker 5: know me as well.

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Speaker 1: Right. So do you feel and again, we on this

697
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Speaker 1: podcast talk a lot about this idea that down ballot

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Speaker 1: races support top of the ticket candidates and vice versa.

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Speaker 5: Do you feel like that it's a really interesting time.

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Speaker 5: I've certainly been aware of those conversations and a lot

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Speaker 5: of different venues, and I've heard your conversations around it too.

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Speaker 5: I think it's a situation where we don't really know

703
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Speaker 5: who's driving what in a lot of ways in these

704
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 5: unique districts like Montana. There are a lot of states

705
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Speaker 5: where the get out the vote effort or the voters

706
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 5: and presidential races really do drive turnout. But Montana is

707
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Speaker 5: its own unique brand and it's a very independent state.

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Speaker 5: And so I think having candidates starting down ballot who

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00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 5: are going to drive excitement and generate enthusiasm that certainly

710
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 5: can drive turnout and help higher ticket races. But last

711
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 5: year and twenty two of the sixteen counties in this

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Speaker 5: new district, I was the only Democrat. In two of

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00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 5: those counties, I was the only Democrat on the ballot,

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Speaker 5: So that makes it pretty tough to generate turnout. So

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Speaker 5: having down ballot candidates in the legislative races certainly helps

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Speaker 5: on the ground for people who were really connected. And

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Speaker 5: I will say that there has been a tremendous amount

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Speaker 5: of enthusiasm for voting in the last three weeks. That

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00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 5: is new, and the college campuses in this district I

720
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Speaker 5: think will help that as well. So I think in

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Speaker 5: this age where we don't know where people get their

722
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Speaker 5: news and their information, I think the question of is

723
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Speaker 5: it a top down or bottom up or a both?

724
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Speaker 5: And I think that's sort of an open question and

725
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 5: a strategic approach that we're all trying to figure out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also think that it's interesting to me

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00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: that when we're focused on really giving people choices, they

728
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Speaker 1: vote for them, right, I mean, that gets them excited.

729
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Speaker 1: So tell me sort of how you're campaigning in Montana

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Speaker 1: and the people you're talking to, what are their concerns.

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Speaker 5: I'll answer that last question first, their concerns and order

732
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 5: our housing. Housing and housing that is the top issue,

733
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Speaker 5: and there's no number two that's even close. It's really

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Speaker 5: top of mind for us because we've had so much

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Speaker 5: growth and it's been so rapid, and there have been

736
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Speaker 5: a lot of people coming to Montana who are buying

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00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 5: up huge swaths of land and property and really squeezing

738
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 5: out the people who have lived here, or even people

739
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 5: who have come here recently and are setting down roots,

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Speaker 5: they feel squeezed too. So the median home price in

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Speaker 5: Montana right now is in Western Montana's over seven hundred

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Speaker 5: thousand dollars, and if you're a teacher making thirty thousand

743
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,919
Speaker 5: dollars a year, that's just not going to work. I've

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Speaker 5: talked to the sheriff in Flathead County told me that

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Speaker 5: some of his deputies are living in campers. I've talked

746
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Speaker 5: to schools who have jobs open for teachings and they're

747
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 5: not getting any applicants because they can't find a place

748
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Speaker 5: to live. The labor market is a huge part of

749
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 5: that lumber mill closing because they can't hire workers because

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Speaker 5: there isn't a place where those people can afford to live.

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Speaker 5: So it's really housing, housing, and housing, and that's driving

752
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 5: so many other pieces of the conversation. So that opp

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Speaker 5: of mind.

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Speaker 1: Are people not able to build houses because of restrictions

755
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Speaker 1: or is there something else?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so your question is really what's the issue and

757
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 5: how do we now? I have that housing plan on

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Speaker 5: my website, and really the first it has three parts assessment, accountability,

759
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 5: holding bad actors, accountability, and affordability making sure that we

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Speaker 5: have housing stock that people can afford to buy. But

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Speaker 5: the first assessment goes to your point of what is

762
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Speaker 5: driving the shortage, what's behind it? And so I address

763
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Speaker 5: that in my plan. I talk about assessment, and they're

764
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Speaker 5: really the need to understand do we actually need to

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Speaker 5: build more units or do we need to loosen the

766
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Speaker 5: housing supply that already exists by disincentivizing second, third, fourth

767
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Speaker 5: home ownership or corporate ownership of houses that are in

768
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Speaker 5: a highly desirable area and then renting them out so

769
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Speaker 5: airbnbs and short term rentals, and making sure that houses

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Speaker 5: are where families and people go to sleep at night

771
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Speaker 5: and love and fight and raise their kids and you know,

772
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Speaker 5: figure out their lives. But it's not an investment portfolio piece.

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Speaker 5: So the assessment piece of it is really really important.

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Speaker 5: In two of our counties, the vacancy rate is fifty percent,

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Speaker 5: so you're talking about a lot of houses that aren't

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Speaker 5: getting lived in for a lot of the time. And

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Speaker 5: so do we actually really want to just build more

778
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Speaker 5: or do we want to incentivize making sure that houses

779
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Speaker 5: are places where people live in a community. And to me,

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Speaker 5: I think that's really more of the issues. So the

781
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Speaker 5: holding bad actors accountable is really about following the money,

782
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Speaker 5: making sure that we're not making it economically desirable to

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Speaker 5: hold on to lots and lots of empty houses. From

784
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Speaker 5: a corporate ownership perspective, so where we see private equity

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Speaker 5: buying up nursing homes, private equity buying trailer lots and

786
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 5: raising and then selling off the land lots for higher dollars,

787
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Speaker 5: we need to tackle that with economic policies. And then

788
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Speaker 5: the final one is making sure that there are in

789
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Speaker 5: fact available houses that people can buy and that they

790
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Speaker 5: can live in.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so important.

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Speaker 1: And so it's not a building problem, it's not an

793
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Speaker 1: inventory problem.

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Speaker 4: It's people aren't incentivized to fill their houses.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think that it is an inventory problem in

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Speaker 5: one way, but I think that's a part of a

797
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 5: larger problem. Right, So what do we mean when we

798
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 5: say inventory. We need to make sure that what's available

799
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Speaker 5: in Anaconda, for example, they're building houses that are three

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Speaker 5: hundred thousand dollars.

801
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 4: Right, and people don't have money.

802
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, that sounds may sound great if you're in New

803
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 5: York or San Francisco or Los Angeles, but in Anaconda.

804
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Speaker 4: It's crazy. For Montana.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's not an affordable house if you're a law

806
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Speaker 5: enforcement officer or a teacher. And you know, I've talked

807
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 5: to people who are working multiple jobs making twenty dollars

808
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 5: an hour and they can't find a place to live.

809
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 5: And a lot of the you know, issues around that,

810
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 5: they impact our small businesses because small businesses need their

811
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Speaker 5: workforce to be invested in the community, to live in

812
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 5: the community. They small businesses don't benefit from high turnover.

813
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 5: They need to be able to stay here and be

814
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 5: invested in what they're doing. So that's really important, and

815
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Speaker 5: you know, I think that that's the piece that we

816
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 5: need to take on. And you know, I have in

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Speaker 5: my housing plan, I have this follow the money piece

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Speaker 5: of it. And I'm uniquely positioned to do that because

819
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Speaker 5: that's what I've spent my entire career doing. I've taken

820
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 5: on big corporate interests, I've followed the money in monopoly utilities.

821
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Speaker 5: And believe me, if you can follow the money and

822
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 5: monopoly utilities, you can follow it anywhere because they are

823
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 5: really good at hiding where their produits come from. That's,

824
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 5: you know, the fact that people are benefiting off of

825
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 5: our pain. That's what people really hate. And you know,

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Speaker 5: that's a huge contrast between me and my opponent Ryan Zinki,

827
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Speaker 5: who he has an address that he's registered to vote

828
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 5: from in Monte and that address is a place that's

829
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 5: listed on Airbnb. You can go rent it now, And

830
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Speaker 5: that is not right.

831
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Speaker 1: Ryan Zinchi also really sucks.

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Speaker 4: He was in the Trump administration.

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Speaker 5: He lives in Santa Barbara. He was fired by Trump

834
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Speaker 5: for ethics violations.

835
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Speaker 1: Right, which is imagine being fired by Trump for ethics violations.

836
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Speaker 5: Well, so it's the corruption, and it's the you know,

837
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 5: the lack of integrity. But it's even deeper than that.

838
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:37,760
Speaker 5: It's about his selling off Montana's lands, selling off public lands.

839
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Speaker 5: You know what he has done to personally profit from

840
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Speaker 5: his office.

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Speaker 1: He's a privateer, really, right, didn't he also build the skiff?

842
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: And wasn't he behind the tactical pants controversy where he

843
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 1: used government bunny to buy all new clothing.

844
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Speaker 5: You know, he is using public office for his personal gain.

845
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Speaker 5: Remember the scandal where he spent one hundred and thirty nine,

846
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Speaker 5: one hundred thousand dollars on doors for hisfice in the interior.

847
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Speaker 5: And this is when people one hundred and thirty nine,

848
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Speaker 5: one hundred thousand dollars think about what that would buy

849
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 5: you and a house. People in Montana are looking to

850
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 5: have a trailer for ten thousand dollars and he's spending

851
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 5: you know, multiples of that on a door for his

852
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 5: new office and the secretary of theterier at our expense.

853
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Speaker 5: Those are the kinds of things. And the fact that

854
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 5: he is the properties that he owns in Montana he

855
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 5: has listed as airbnbs. So it's the fact that he

856
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 5: is profiting off of the thing that is hurting us.

857
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Speaker 5: Most people are coming to Montana and making a profit

858
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Speaker 5: from the housing stock, and we can't find a place

859
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Speaker 5: to live. The people who are serving and living in

860
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 5: our communities can't find a place to live. That has

861
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 5: to change, and I'm here to change it.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely so true.

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Speaker 1: I'm so right, Monica.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Molly. I really appreciate everything You're doing.

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Speaker 6: No moment thick On, Jesse Cannon, Molly junk Fast. I

867
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Speaker 6: sure heard a lot of yuppin today, a lot a

868
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Speaker 6: lot of yuppin.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump held this press conference, he said, there was

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Speaker 1: a lot of build up. A lot of us heard

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Speaker 1: about it. That were a lot of theories about what

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Speaker 1: he was going to habit this press conference. Would it

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Speaker 1: be the sort of twenty sixteen you know, remember when

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Speaker 1: he had that thing about all the papers the taxes.

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Speaker 1: In the twenty sixteen cycle, he had a lot of

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Speaker 1: these press conferences and you know, where he would trot

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Speaker 1: out people or have kind of stunts, and a lot

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Speaker 1: of us thought that was what was coming. But instead,

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Speaker 1: instead all those people fucking flew down to Florida and

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Speaker 1: they were greeted with exactly what Trump always does in

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Speaker 1: our plus rally speech, and that was it. And he

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Speaker 1: took a few questions and the answers were all part

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Speaker 1: of around speech, and that, my friends, is our moment

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Speaker 1: of fuck ray. That's it for this episode of Fast Politics.

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