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Speaker 1: I mean, one of the crazier trades you'll ever see.

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Speaker 1: I do want to relate that Luca trade to some

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Speaker 1: let's dive in as some football, and obviously if you

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Speaker 1: and I just started scrolling. I was like, this is insane.

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Speaker 1: And the NBA trade that still as I'm recording this

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Speaker 1: And I think the best part about like the one

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Speaker 1: there was not a bigger star in the coaching world.

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Speaker 1: There really was not, And for what's happened to his career.

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Speaker 1: Then he goes to UCLA and he just hates it.

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Speaker 1: And listen, he's got a lot of friends in the

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Speaker 1: media and they're all like, it's a shitty job. It's

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Speaker 1: stuff to deal with. Yeah, it's not perfect. It ain't

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Speaker 1: Ohio State. But then he leaves to go to Ohio

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Speaker 1: State and you're like, oh, that's his guy, and he

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Speaker 1: just leaves again to go to the Raiders. At least

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Speaker 1: when you went to Ohio State, you go, well, he's

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Speaker 1: getting two and a half million dollars. They recruit by far,

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Speaker 1: the best players in the country, and they basically said, Chip,

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Speaker 1: you don't need to recruit. It's like a pretty good gig.

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Speaker 1: You go to the Raiders. It's like, well, they got

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Speaker 1: no quarterback, their offensive line sucks, they have no wide receivers,

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Speaker 1: and uh, they got one good tight end. It's like this,

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Speaker 1: this is what you're going to do. Like you really

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Speaker 1: just hate recruiting that much because this does not seem

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Speaker 1: like a good situation for you. I also think this

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Speaker 1: is a little weird, right. It's one thing when you

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Speaker 1: take a step down like he did from UCLA to

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Speaker 1: go to Ryan Day. That was a guy that he

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Speaker 1: coached when he was at New Hampshire. That was a

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Speaker 1: guy who worked for him in Philly and in San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: Like they have like a father son bond. So it

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Speaker 1: was gonna work. I don't mean on the field, I

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Speaker 1: just mean personalities. Now he's gonna go to Pete Carroll.

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Speaker 1: Who listen? Is it like Mike Vrabel Belichick yelling at you?

453
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Speaker 1: Much more of an upbe guy, but still like big ego. Well,

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Speaker 1: Chip's got a massive ego too. Feels like a little

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Speaker 1: bit of a weird fit. And in theory, like what

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Speaker 1: does Pete Carroll want to do? Run the ball? That's

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Speaker 1: what he wants to do, run the ball, and that's

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Speaker 1: what in theory Chip likes to do too. But you're

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Speaker 1: not gonna run the ball with this operation. I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: sure the Raiders last year were one of the worst

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Speaker 1: running teams like the history of the NFL. I think

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Speaker 1: it's a weird fit, and I think it's just kind

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Speaker 1: of sad, what you know, the way his career has

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Speaker 1: gone relative to the rest of his peers. He's kind

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Speaker 1: of turned into like an NBA player just bouncing around.

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Speaker 1: It's like, what are we doing here? Uh? So I

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Speaker 1: think the Highers is weird. I really do. And and

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Speaker 1: I'm pro Pete Carroll and I'm pro John Spytech. I

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Speaker 1: think it was smart to bring back Patrick Graham, who's

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Speaker 1: you know, a good, good defensive coordinator. This one, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: I just think And it's not like baby, you just

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Speaker 1: hate the guy. I don't give a fuck. I don't care.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying like he would not have been my higher,

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Speaker 1: Like his shit ain't working in the NFL. It didn't

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Speaker 1: work in the NFL the last couple of years. And

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Speaker 1: you're gonna play Spagnola, You're gonna play Jim Harbaugh's defense,

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna play that Denver defense. And I get it,

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Speaker 1: like we want to modernize our offense and what get throttled.

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Speaker 1: So I give the Raiders a lot of credit for

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Speaker 1: their two main hires. This one a little off the

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Speaker 1: beaten path. Don't think it makes much sense. Cam Newton,

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Speaker 1: you know, Cam Newton said the comments if you missed

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Speaker 1: him that he would wouldn't trade his MVP for Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl tighter. And let me just say this before I

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Speaker 1: get into my opinion on his comment. I do believe

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Speaker 1: if you ask Cam Newton and I attended his Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl when it was at Levi Stadium in the Bay Area,

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Speaker 1: I went, I had a lot of money on the

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Speaker 1: on the on the Broncos that game. It's one of

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Speaker 1: the biggest bets I'd ever made. Still to this day,

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Speaker 1: it was. It was large, and part of it wasn't

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Speaker 1: Cam Newton. It was I had been doing Raider games.

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Speaker 1: I had seen that Denver team for like three straight years.

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Speaker 1: Their defense was so fucking good. I understood Peyton Manning

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Speaker 1: couldn't throw, but it was like, and listen, it wasn't

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Speaker 1: a bet against Cam. It was more just like, I

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Speaker 1: don't think they should be an underdog, and obviously their

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Speaker 1: defense won the game. But I do believe if you

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Speaker 1: would ask Cam Newton the week of the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: or the night before the Super Bowl, especially, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think you win the MVP the night before the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: would you trade the MVP for win tomorrow? I think

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Speaker 1: he would have said yes. I do believe I could

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Speaker 1: be wrong, but I believe that any player if you

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Speaker 1: said that to him the night before the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Who would they had just won the MVP, Matt Ryan,

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Speaker 1: you go back to all the guys that have won

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Speaker 1: MVPs and then not won the Super Bowl, they would

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Speaker 1: trade it. I think Aaron Rodgers would trade his MVPs

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Speaker 1: for Super Bowl. I think anyone at the time. Now

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Speaker 1: I think after the fact, I don't think this is

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Speaker 1: that complicated. You know, if you think about the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl for Cam Newton, it has a negative connotation. He

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Speaker 1: didn't just get viewed as like having a bad game.

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Speaker 1: But when people bring up that moment, it's the lowest

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Speaker 1: moment of his career. He's literally made fun of because

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Speaker 1: of it. He wouldn't jump on the ball, and former

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Speaker 1: players bring that up to him. Yet everywhere he goes

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Speaker 1: and everywhere he has gone over the course of his

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Speaker 1: life since twenty seventeen, he is introduced former NFL MVP,

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Speaker 1: former Heisman Trophy winner and national champion, Cam Newton. Yet

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Speaker 1: if I bring out Joe Montana or Troy Aikman, or

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady or Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers, I would

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Speaker 1: go this is Aaron Rodgers, super Bowl champion and four

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Speaker 1: time MVP. This is Peyton Manning two time Super Bowl champion,

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Speaker 1: five time MVP or however many one. That's how you're

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Speaker 1: introduced as a player, when you go to events, when

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Speaker 1: you go to speaking events, when you go to when

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Speaker 1: he goes to Auburn, to events to fundraise, whatever, when

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Speaker 1: he's at doing radio row for during media week or

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Speaker 1: during super Bowl week for the media. So the MVP

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Speaker 1: to him has a positive connotation. It's a positive thing.

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Speaker 1: The super Bowl is a negative thing. Like I think

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Speaker 1: it's kind of a unique circumstance because I saw everyone

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Speaker 1: and rightfully so like, ah, no shit. Cam Newton said

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Speaker 1: that one hundred percent. Cam Newton said that, like my

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Speaker 1: take was, like I was there, it was pretty bad.

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Speaker 1: That game is in a weird way because it's so

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Speaker 1: hard just to get there, like the lowest moment of

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Speaker 1: his career, like it. He lost random games throughout his

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Speaker 1: career that no one ever talks about, thinks about, or

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Speaker 1: even watched it. They don't matter. But when you bring

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Speaker 1: up Cam Newton, I would say, most people think about

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Speaker 1: not jumping on the fumble in the Super Bowl. Now

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Speaker 1: I'd have to go back and look at what the

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Speaker 1: score was at the time, havn't been there, and I

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Speaker 1: had a few cocktails. Never thought they were gonna win.

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Speaker 1: As the game was going, they were just kind of overwhelmed,

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Speaker 1: even as Peyton, you know, after the first couple drives

550
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Speaker 1: could not throw. But like if you were Cam, the

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Speaker 1: MVP isn't just your most prized possession, it's literally your

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Speaker 1: defining moment as a professional football player. Making the Super

553
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Speaker 1: Bowl just was not and it definitely isn't discussing like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, for a long time, I was insecure about

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Speaker 1: when I when I introduce and I listen, I play golf.

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Speaker 1: That's where I meet the most random, you know people,

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Speaker 1: Like when I do this for a living and I'm

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Speaker 1: talking to other people inside this business, they all know

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Speaker 1: what you do. But when I'm on a golf course,

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Speaker 1: I meet someone for the first time, Eventually, what comes up?

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Speaker 1: What do you do? And you're playing golf with somebody,

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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I work at Wells Fargo, or yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I work for this insurance company. Yeah, own

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Speaker 1: you know, string of restaurants? What do you do? I

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Speaker 1: used to always be is weird. I would be like,

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Speaker 1: you know, I used to work in radio, and I

567
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Speaker 1: used to always kind of start it off that way

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Speaker 1: because I was insecure about saying I was a podcaster.

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Speaker 1: And I remember one night Maria's like, why don't you

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Speaker 1: just why are you so weird about this? Just say

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Speaker 1: what you do, what you do for your a podcaster. Right,

572
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Speaker 1: it's going pretty well. And so for the last probably year,

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Speaker 1: I just when I'm a podcaster and it just starts

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Speaker 1: actually pretty interesting conversation sometimes, but like when you are

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Speaker 1: introduced or when that's your defining moment, like he is

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Speaker 1: defined internally, like that's a good thing. Cam Newton MVP.

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Speaker 1: That's a positive thing. Like, so it's easy for all

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Speaker 1: these other guys to say, like even Charles Barkley, and

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Speaker 1: I hear him come up a lot, like he would

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Speaker 1: have given anything for the ninety three MVP to win

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Speaker 1: that finals against Michael Jordan. That finals against Michael Jordan

582
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Speaker 1: is a positive thing for Charles. He was fucking unreal.

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Speaker 1: He was known also in the Dream Team second best

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Speaker 1: player in the Dream Team. So like everything surrounding his

585
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Speaker 1: MVP is like I was at the highest level and

586
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Speaker 1: I went toe to toe. Cam got to the highest

587
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Speaker 1: level in the pros and it was like not the same.

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Speaker 1: He had a bad night, wasn't very good and then

589
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Speaker 1: like didn't jump on the fumble. So listen, everyone's shitting

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Speaker 1: on him for it. I understand, like when you're insecure

591
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Speaker 1: about something, you kind of want to avoid it, and

592
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Speaker 1: like it's I just think people think he's selfish because

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Speaker 1: of this. I think we're all kind of selfish. We

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Speaker 1: really are. And I think it's easy for a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys to say and now what I where I

596
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Speaker 1: disagree with him, and he's trying to justify it when

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Speaker 1: he goes, well, Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson won a

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Speaker 1: super Bowl, Well yeah, Cam, if you would have won

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Speaker 1: that Super Bowl, you would have been, like, I don't

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Speaker 1: know how many guys have won the MVP and Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl in the same year. Probably pretty special category guys

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Speaker 1: like Montana Manning, but you know Brady for like, it's

603
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Speaker 1: a shortlist of pretty sweet dudes, so it'd have been

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Speaker 1: a big deal. He tries, he tries to justify it

605
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,959
Speaker 1: because he's not dumb. He knows it's gonna sound stupid.

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Speaker 1: But I do get where he's coming from. I really do. Okay,

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Speaker 1: little mail bag time at John Middlecoff at John Middlecoff

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Speaker 1: Fire in those dms. Get your questions answered here on

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Speaker 1: this little old podcast at John middlecoff Instagram fire Away.

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Speaker 1: Start with Marco question for the bag. Do you think

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Speaker 1: it's a coincidence that the NBA gets a massive trade

612
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Speaker 1: Sunday before the Super Bowl? Seems like a pretty good

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Speaker 1: marketing tactic for the NBA to gain some steam once

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Speaker 1: the NFL season ends. Your thoughts, Well, if I was

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Speaker 1: going to be a conspiracy theorist, I would say this,

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Speaker 1: the Lakers with Lebron at forty years old, were gonna

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Speaker 1: be in trouble within the next couple of years. And

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Speaker 1: if I ran the NBA, if I was Adam Silver,

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Speaker 1: And let's face it, the NBA has always done some

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Speaker 1: shady shit and don't I don't blame them. They're in

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Speaker 1: the business to make the most money possible. Now it's

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Speaker 1: much more complicated with gambling legal, but I don't know

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Speaker 1: how that gets to forcing teams to trade people. Listen.

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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think like Adam Silver made this happen,

625
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Speaker 1: but if he did, it'd be the greatest movie he's

626
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: ever made. It as a commission to get one of

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Speaker 1: the best players in the NBA to one of your

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Speaker 1: marquee franchises, and when would you want to do it.

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Speaker 1: You'd want to do it right now now. Their trade

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Speaker 1: deadline is during super Bowl week, so I think some

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Speaker 1: would say, like it's not a good idea to do

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Speaker 1: it during super Bowl week, but it usually gets lost

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Speaker 1: in the shuffle like when'sday or Thursday? Doing it right

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Speaker 1: now better idea. I just think when you look at

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Speaker 1: people are gonna say I'm a Laker hater, I am.

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Speaker 1: I hate the Lakers. They're the only team that you're like,

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00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: I don't like Ohio State. I don't care that much.

638
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: I don't even have a problem with the Dodgers, and

639
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm a diehard Giants fan. I kind of appreciate what

640
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: they're doing. When it comes to Lakers. There's something about

641
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: that feeling. Even at forty years old, I get like

642
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: I'm still fifteen, and there's an envy, that there's a hatred.

643
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: There's just I just don't like them, and I appreciate

644
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: still having that feeling. You know, usually I have to

645
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: create it or manipulate it by gambling. Once, once I

646
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: gamble against you, I hate you. But other than that,

647
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: like even my takes, I'm not Steven A or skip

648
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: baylessic like, I'll change my take if it's not right.

649
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: I don't care that much. But this is a team

650
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: that how I get they landed Lebron because he wanted

651
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 1: to move to LA This one, though, he's got handed

652
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: Luca for Anthony Davis who's thirty one years old. Feels

653
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: like the league somehow was I don't know. I could

654
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: you convince me yes? Does it seem a little shady?

655
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: You couldn't make this trade in a simulator? In what world?

656
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: Do you just go, yeah, we're trading I don't know.

657
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: The best player in the history of the franchise definitely is.

658
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: I know Dirk had a much longer career. Dirk didn't

659
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: have five straight All nbas from twenty to twenty five

660
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: years old. Together, we're just gonna trade him for guy

661
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: thirty one years old. Great player, but you know it

662
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: gets injured a lot too. Like, what else are you

663
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: gonna get like seven first round picks? Like three other players? No,

664
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: just like one other player and one other pick. Yeah,

665
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: we're good, but we're not. We're not really shopping them. Wait,

666
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: you're not. You're not gonna shop them? No, it doesn't

667
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: really add up. Like when you add up like you

668
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: have one of the great players, not just in the league,

669
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: but like his entry to the sport is like Lebron Like,

670
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: so you're just gonna trade them for what the biggest

671
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: hall in the history of the sport. No, not really,

672
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: not even close. Actually, if I would have told you, you

673
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't believe, like this is crazy. But the Lakers, you know,

674
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: get another marque players what they do. It's probably why

675
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: I'm jealous Kings just traded theirs. Mail back question fan

676
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 1: of the show. As you mentioned in the previous show,

677
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: most general managers and head coaches have a general idea

678
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: of how to build a team, at least they speak

679
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 1: like they do. If they know how to build, why

680
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: do half of them choose to not build the team?

681
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: According to that philosophy, does a major draft bust or

682
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: owner pressure the picks negatively affecting their performance. Well, only

683
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: the gms and head coaches I think really know that,

684
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: right if you're in the draft room. Most owners I

685
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: don't think are like forcing your hand if they're not

686
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: like Dan Snyder. But I do think there is a

687
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: lot of closed door meetings with either the owner, his president,

688
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: his right hand man, the coach in the GM, and

689
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: I think there are like I want Travis Hunter. It's like, coach,

690
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: we should take an offensive tackle here. I want Travis Hunter.

691
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 1: Because let's use Travis Hunter as an example. He is

692
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: a fantastic talent. I mean, he's one of the most

693
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 1: honestly unique talents we've ever seen in the history of sports.

694
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: It's like, wait, you play both ways. It's so like, yeah,

695
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: I'm a lead at both I'm a lockdown corner, be

696
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: the number one corner in the drafts, and I'm clearly

697
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: one of the best wide receivers in the draft. I'm

698
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: gonna and I was the number one high school group.

699
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: I'm a blue chip blue chipper who can play both ways.

700
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: It's unheard of, it really is, because even some of

701
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: the guys you know in college that have done both,

702
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: they had a limited role. But you'd go wide receiver, corner,

703
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: very important positions, and I got no problem taking either

704
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: one of the you know those positions. High you take

705
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: a Julio, you take you know Stingley, a Sauce Garden

706
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: or Patrick Peterson, whoever, you know, the elite guys, but

707
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: you'd always take a tackle, like I need a tackle.

708
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: I need a wide receiver. I need a corner. You

709
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: would take the tackle before them. Yet Travis Hunter is

710
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: gonna go before tackles. Now if there is not a

711
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: tackle at his level, do you just take the good player.

712
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: It's like no one ever apologized for drafting don I'm

713
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: not saying this guy is gonna be Deon, but I

714
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: think it's hard because you get there, you go, well,

715
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: the best player on our board. The best player on

716
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 1: our board is Malik Neighbors, right, but we need other positions.

717
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: It's like Molie Neighbor can have I think, like a

718
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: historical season, didn't you have like one hundred plus catches?

719
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: And the Giants couldn't have been any worse? Because it

720
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. And I'm not anti taking the Miligue Neighbors,

721
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: but it's it's easy to say, O line D line,

722
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: O line D line, and then all these teams end

723
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: up drafting corners and wide receivers. It happens all the time.

724
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: It's like Austin Genty, let's look at that, we need

725
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: a good running back. When I see people like the

726
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys should take Austin Genty at twelve. If I

727
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: was a Cowboy fan and we took Austin Genty at twelve.

728
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: He's a great player. Don't get me wrong. I am

729
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: pro drafting running backs, but this individual draft has great

730
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: running backs, So I don't know. Take a position you need.

731
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Speaker 1: Take a defensive lineman. Last time I checked, your defensive

732
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: tackles sucked, so is Ashton Genty and immediately plug and

733
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: play starter for your team. But do you have a

734
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: huge need at the line of scrimmage, which I don't

735
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: know is kind of more important. Use one of your

736
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Speaker 1: second day picks on one of these running backs and

737
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 1: he can immediately be r Like that's how you build

738
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: a team. But sometimes, like Jerry's like, let's just get

739
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: myself some Genty. I want Genty in the backfield with

740
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Speaker 1: Dak You like my Jerry, I put them back there

741
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: with Dac striking glory holes. That's I don't even know

742
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: what my voice is, but it just it's it's e Listen.

743
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 1: Life's all about talk, you know. It's what a lot

744
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: of people do, whether you're in sales, whether or whatever.

745
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,479
Speaker 1: It's easy to say whatever you want at any given

746
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: moment because it sounds good, and then your feet get

747
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: held to the fire. And like you said, a lot

748
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: of people, you know, change their opinion. I don't even

749
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: think change their opinion. They just go I believe in

750
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. But holy shit, I love this

751
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 1: wide receiver. I mean it happens all the time. It's like, Okay,

752
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: I'm the Chargers or the Patriots. I have a ton

753
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: of money and I have a ton of needs. Should

754
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: I go spend that on T Higgins? Now there's an

755
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: argument with a young core back to help him out.

756
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: Not that crazy, but couldn't you just find T Higgins?

757
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,479
Speaker 1: I don't know in the second round. It's like where

758
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: did you find a J. Brown? Mike Vrabel. I'm not

759
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: saying they will, but it's like, oh, we got him

760
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: in a second round. Big fan of the show. Will

761
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: contracts like Baker's and Donald's cause some teams to rethink

762
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: this all or nothing approach. They have to be playing

763
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: an average to slightly above average quarterback like Lawrence or Tua.

764
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 1: I would say those two guys are kind of unique

765
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: when you just look at him. Baker was the number

766
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: one overall pick and Donald was the third overall pick.

767
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: So let's look around the NFL of guys that fit

768
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: their mold. Trey Lance, Zach Wilson, Justin Fields. I got

769
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: no problem giving Justin Fields five million dollars to be

770
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: my backup. I would entertain that. Zach Wilson I could not.

771
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't know enough about and Trey Lance.

772
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 1: I couldn't give. I wouldn't. I wouldn't sign him to

773
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: be on my team. He wouldn't be able to make

774
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: my team. Maybe it's like a four string. I mean,

775
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even want him as my third quarterback. So

776
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: I think it's those are just very very Those are outliers.

777
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: They truly are. And Baker had played well a season

778
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: in Cleveland. Sam never had. Sam never had, but you know,

779
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: went to the perfect spot, got a year to refresh

780
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: with Kyle. I just don't I guess Zach Wilson could

781
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: be if he emotionally matured, But he couldn't even win

782
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: the backup job this year in Denver, So you know,

783
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: can he Pickett? No, mac Jones, No. I just think

784
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: you look around the NFL, you just don't really see

785
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: that at all. That that player question for the back,

786
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: who do you feel would make the Chargers offense more effective?

787
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,800
Speaker 1: A quality tight end, a running back and a wide

788
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: receiver one like Higgins or a revamped interior offensive line.

789
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: Both are equally bad, and you can find clips of

790
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: Herbert yelling at Bozeman frequently. Well, I think you can

791
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: find a guarter center early in the draft, so in

792
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: the first or second round. I don't have their salary

793
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: cap situation in front of me, but I think it's

794
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: pretty clear that they're going to need to add a

795
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: weapon now. Wide receivers on the open market, good ones

796
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: Higgins is going to cost a lot of money keenan out.

797
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: I think I saw a list the other day at

798
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 1: the wide receivers on the open market. It's not a

799
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: great group. So you could draft a couple, you know.

800
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: To me, I would think long and hard about drafting

801
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: a tight end and drafting a running back. I think

802
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: in the first three rounds they got to feel pretty

803
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 1: good coming away with a skill wide receiver or tight

804
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: end and a running back. Now you can find a

805
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: running back on day two, you can find a guarter

806
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: center on day two. I think he would be more

807
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: inclined to draft a wide receiver in the twenties than

808
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: he was gonna do at pick five with Joe Alt

809
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 1: Like who knows who's sitting on the board. I also

810
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 1: think couldn't you go defensive line? I think one question

811
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 1: with the Chargers is Khalil Mack is a free agent

812
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: and he's not going to retire. I would imagine they

813
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: want him back, but what's the price there? And as

814
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: Joey Bosa played his last snap for him, I think

815
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 1: the Chargers has some pretty big questions. Can you give

816
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: us a recipe for an Eagles victory over the Chiefs?

817
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 1: Obviously we can all imagine things like winning the turnover

818
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: battle or being able to run the ball. Do you

819
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: have any next level insights that may be able to

820
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: tilt the needle in the eagles favor? Love the show? Well,

821
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: I think one thing is pretty clear. When the Eagles

822
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: take advantage of you as an opponent, they do it

823
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: defensively with their front and down the stretch. I mean

824
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: Jalen Carter, non quarterback, you could make the argument he's

825
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 1: been a top ten player in the NFL the last

826
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: couple of months of the season. I mean the playoffs.

827
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,319
Speaker 1: He has plays and Baldinger has done some like breakdowns

828
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: on where he's just unguardable. I mean, you get him

829
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: in a one on one situation against a garter or

830
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: a center and he has, you know, whether it's that

831
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 1: kind of swim move or kind of that quick get

832
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: you on you know, your hip or your shoulder, you

833
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: are fucked. I mean he looks like a Hall of

834
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: Fame toa it looks like Chris Jones or something in

835
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: his prime. So if a guy like that, and they

836
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: have other sweet pass rushers, I mean they got multiple

837
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: interior guys. They got Jordan Davis Williams, they got edge

838
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: rushers and Nolan Smith and Sweat. So the one thing

839
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: with the Chiefs, and you notice it in that Texans game,

840
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: the front was giving them problems. Well what do the

841
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 1: Texans have? They got will Anderson, who's a badass in

842
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: d'aneil Hunter. Well, I'd say the Eagles in terms of

843
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: their overall units, they're probably not as good as the

844
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: on the edges those two guys, but they're not bad

845
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: on the edge and their interior with with Jalen Carter,

846
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: I mean, how many Chris Jones is older now, but

847
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: he's one of the great defensive tackles of his era

848
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: and gonna be in the Hall of Fame. I mean,

849
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 1: that's how good this guy can be like, this guy

850
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: could be Chris Jones. Trust me, He asked forty nine

851
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: er fans about Chris Jones. He'd won them the Super

852
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: Bowl on that third down play in overtime when perty

853
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 1: had Ayuk, but he couldn't get there in his progressions

854
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: because Chris Jones already in the backfield. Was because the

855
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: right side of the offensive line camp blocked Chris Jones. Well,

856
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, you know, they take Thoony and they move

857
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: them out to left tackle, which is the right move,

858
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: but it kind of stuck. He has talked about this.

859
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: It's changed how talented their interior is, because usually it was.

860
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: I mean they had the best guard center guard combination

861
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: in the NFL. You know, Tray Smith is. I don't

862
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: know the Chiefs financial situation. It's all this stuff so

863
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: fluid at the combine. Who you caught, who you trade?

864
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's a guard. He might get. If

865
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: I had to guess right now, what does he ended

866
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: up getting paid, I'd guess sixty five seventy million dollars guaranteed,

867
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: and like I could see like five years, one hundred

868
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: million dollars twenty a year average, but like sixty five

869
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: seventy guaranteed. You know, could be even a little higher

870
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: quote unquote average, but I think he'll have the highest

871
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: guaranteed in the history of guards. Last year they were

872
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,439
Speaker 1: making eighteen nineteen million dollars, but they're guaranteed money. Usually

873
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: he's like forty five to fifty. He's gonna be get

874
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: the most guaranteed money by far. So once you bump

875
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 1: him out, their tackle situation is not as good, or

876
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: excuse me, their tackle situation is better because it was

877
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: such a problem, but inside is not quite as dominant.

878
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: So it's like, I think you've got to dominate on

879
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: the defensive line. And a couple of years ago, that

880
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: was their strategy. That's how they dominated the NFL. They

881
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,479
Speaker 1: led the league in sacks. So you lead the league

882
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: in sacks, it's a problem. Now Mahomes is a magician,

883
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 1: But you know, this game comes down to blocking, tackling, throwing,

884
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: and catching the football. Like it's pretty basic. And the

885
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: quarterback like can you block them? Does he have time?

886
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: And when you get a chance to hit him, do

887
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: you fucking throttle him? The other thing, I mean, the

888
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: Eagles can really hitch you hard. I mean they got

889
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: blue chip and these guys are all Georgia and Alabama.

890
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: But it's like you're playing the best offensive coach. I mean, honestly,

891
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: he's chubby. Bill Walsh, he's clearly I mean, if you

892
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: want to do the mount Rushmore of NFL coaches, I

893
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 1: don't even know if he has to win this game

894
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: to be on it. He's already got three Super Bowls.

895
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: This this is sixth appearance. You know, Bill Walsh. People

896
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: forget like he didn't win five Super Bowls Q one

897
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: three and then he quit. So now he's more famous,

898
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: at least as we sit here today. But who's just

899
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 1: saying fifty years Andy won't be more famous or equally

900
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: as I would say him. I think if you were

901
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: doing a mount Rushmore, it's not like Andy's anywhere close

902
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: to done. I don't know who would argue about Lombardi, Belichick, Walsh.

903
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: Then I think the forced spots up for debate, the Landry's, Thenoles,

904
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: the Pallaces, the Andies, MIT's. He's in the mix. I mean,

905
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: you're talking about that's who you're going up against. If

906
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: you're doing a mount Rushmore of NFL head coaches, the

907
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: coach you're playing is on that list. And Vic is

908
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: an elite defensive coordinator. But you go, well, Patrick and

909
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: Andy's kind of owned him, So I think that. And

910
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: the other thing is like Hollywood Xavier Worthy. Eagles have

911
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: good corners. You know, Mitchell's one of the better rookie

912
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 1: corners in recent memory. Cooper's a really good slot and Slay,

913
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: I mean he's older, but he's still a solid starting corner. Technically,

914
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 1: if the Slay's your third best guy, right, if you

915
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 1: just put guys up for factoring in their age, every

916
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: NFL team got to pick or order those three of

917
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: who they'd like, Slay would be third. But if that's

918
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: your third, like you got good dbs. Now, if one

919
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 1: of those guys go down, Rogers has to come in,

920
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: then it's a problem their safeties coverage wise. I mean

921
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: they'll head obviously. CJ willl CJ. Bringle would lots of

922
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: dynasty talk with the upcoming Super Bowl. Where would the

923
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: chief stack up if they win? And do you consider

924
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: the Brady Patriots era one continued dynasty? I do. So

925
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 1: when you say Belichick Brady, now they're different. There are

926
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: three different iterations. There's the Brady Belichick opener. Three super bowls,

927
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: Bruce Ki, Vrabel, Rodney Harrison, Corey Dillon, Troy Brown kind

928
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: of that group. Uh, then there's the seventeen you know

929
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: through eleven, which is like Wes Welker, Randy Moss, Brady

930
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: and his Peak, Logan Mankins, Vince will Fork kind of

931
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 1: that group. And then there's the Brady Belichick, Edelman, Gronk,

932
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: Jason mccordy, High Tower kind of that crew. So I

933
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 1: think there are multiple crews, but Belichick and Brady were

934
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: on them all. So it's like Travis Kelcey retires and

935
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: they win another super Bowl in three years, the dynasty won,

936
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: and he just won't be a part of it, Like

937
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: Gronk wasn't a part of the first three or the

938
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: undefeated season to lose, and I know, like you get

939
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: credit when you lose in the Super Bowl, that's an

940
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: incredible year, but you gotta win him too, Like it

941
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: doesn't sting as much, Like, yeah, Peyton, I lost a

942
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 1: couple of super Bowls, won a couple two. Brady, I

943
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: lost some super Bows, won a bunch two. That's the

944
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: thing with Kyle Shanahan's like, yeah, I've lost a couple

945
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: close ones. It's like Okay, well, what about what about

946
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: the ones you've won haven't won any So? Yeah, one

947
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: continued dynasty question for the pot. If Mahomes hit free

948
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: agency tomorrow, how much money would he be able to net?

949
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: I feel like it can get seventy plus million. He's

950
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: that good and GMS on the hot seat may pay

951
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: him more. Interesting and hearing your thoughts, I mean, I

952
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 1: don't think there's a number that would you get five

953
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:10,320
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars guaranteed. I would put Josh Allen, Joe Burrow,

954
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. I mean these guys hit free agency, Deshaun

955
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: Watson at two hundred thirty million dollars guaranteed? Would they

956
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: get four hundred The thing with all these quarterback contracts

957
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: is then if you're good, you see all the money anyway.

958
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: So like when you see the hollow numbers, some of

959
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: these guys, these teams are gonna want to get out.

960
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,399
Speaker 1: Let's say Trevor Lawrence. The team might want to pivot

961
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: in a year or two, Like you're never pivoting on

962
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson or Joe Burrow or Josh Allen or Mahomes.

963
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: So like when Mahomes got ten years, four and fifty

964
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: million dollars, even if they didn't mess with the contract.

965
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 1: Over the years, he's still getting that. He's seeing all

966
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: that money. So I just think that they make an

967
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: unlimited amount of money. I mean, it's just I think

968
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: it's really that simple, unlimited. I honestly think they get

969
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: They would get ten, fifteen to twenty percent more if

970
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: they hit the open market, but over the aggregate of

971
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: their careers, like my home is going to make seven

972
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars probably more. As someone who is working

973
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: toward having a career and professional sports management degree, what

974
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: was your favorite part of working in a major sports league?

975
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 1: Also what was your least favorite? I would say favorite

976
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: is just you know, you're part of the team. There's

977
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: a people that you become very close to. I still

978
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: got very very close friends that are on different teams now.

979
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: But when you spend especially in the office, it's just

980
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,720
Speaker 1: kind of a unique job where you're just spending, especially

981
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: in football, a lot of hours together in the building

982
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: and it's all kind of for the same common goal.

983
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: You're all just trying to help get wins, win get

984
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 1: better players, you know, and you're all kind of part

985
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: of this little team. Because in a football team, I

986
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: guess basketball and baseball you have less players, but the

987
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: football team you don't have that many people. You have

988
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: the coaching staff, you got some inhouse scouts, you got

989
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: the GM, you get the trainers, equipment, people like you

990
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: all know each other pretty closely, you know, like when

991
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: I work with the Eagles, I just text Don the

992
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 1: other day about something the Gilly Dance, and he got

993
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 1: Gilly to lead the team out on the NFC championship game.

994
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: You just spend like you just get to know all

995
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: these people because you just spend so much time around them,

996
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 1: you know. So I think that's that doesn't mean every

997
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: single person you liked, But for the most part, I

998
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: was pretty lucky. I had a group of people that

999
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: I worked with that I all like a lot. The

1000
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: worst part, you do just work. You can work baseball, basketball, football, hockey, golf, tennis,

1001
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 1: you name it, like your a schedule, Like you ain't

1002
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: a nine to five or it's not Monday through Friday,

1003
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: weekends off. It's a lot of holidays. You're grinding a

1004
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: lot of events you have to miss. It's not a

1005
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:15,399
Speaker 1: normal schedule at all. It's basically you're doing what other

1006
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: people do for recreation. To watch at their house. So

1007
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: when you were you were for a baseball team, like

1008
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: Saturday night, you got a game you mentioned last week,

1009
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: you didn't have a theory to account for why defensive

1010
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: minded head coaches like Aaron Glenn seemed to be more

1011
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: inclined to hand off play calling duties to a new

1012
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator as opposed to offensively offensive oriented coaches like

1013
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: Andy Reid John McVay seem more willing to maintain those

1014
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: duties themselves. I'd like to suggest one possible explanation. We

1015
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: all have a basic orientation to life, and one division

1016
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: I've observed is that some people are more worried about

1017
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: bad things happening, while other aggressively seek fun and positive opportunities.

1018
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: Coaches drawn to defense likely fall into that category, and

1019
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: those who are more adventurous might incline toward offense. Coaching.

1020
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: Defense might be a burdened defensive coaches would love to

1021
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: assign to someone else, whereas offensive coaches might like to

1022
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 1: continue enjoying trying to make good things happen. Just a thought.

1023
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: You're pretty deep on that. I think there's probably some

1024
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: merit to what you're saying, but I do think it

1025
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: comes back to like Andy Reid's an offensive play car

1026
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: he was an offensive lineman. He coached offensive players as

1027
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: an assistant coach. Right, he was an offensive line coach,

1028
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: then he coached tight ends, and then he worked with

1029
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: home We're in like you know, John Gruden was a quarterback.

1030
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: Kyle shanahan was a wide receiver. Sean McVay was a

1031
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:56,760
Speaker 1: wide receiver. They played offense like that was their position

1032
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 1: as a player. So when you transition, it's like, well,

1033
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: what side of the do you want to work on? Well,

1034
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: I played a wide receiver. So where do you usually start?

1035
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: Offensive quality controller, offensive graduate assistant? And then when you

1036
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: elevate from like the lowest guy in the totem pole,

1037
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: where do they put you? Well, they put you usually

1038
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: assistant wide receiver coach. Right, that's kind of where you

1039
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: get your if you're an offensive line guy. Where you

1040
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: start assistant offensive line coach, then you become an offensive

1041
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: line coach, then you become the run game coordinator. So

1042
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: it's like, Demiko, why is he called he's a linebacker? Right? Uh,

1043
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: solid defensive player, Dan Quinn deep defensive lineman. I think

1044
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll's somewhat unique. Pretty sure he played quarterback, but

1045
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: he might have just started coaching on the defensive side

1046
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: of the ball and it just kind of took off.

1047
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: But I think when you look around the NFL, I

1048
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: think a lot Aaron Glenn was a corner. So what

1049
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 1: position does Aaron Glenn start coaching when he gets into

1050
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: the profession, starts coaching dbs, And the natural progression is

1051
00:56:56,640 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 1: like assistant dB coach, dB coach, UH, defensive coordinator. It's

1052
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: just it's just a progression. Now, I also think there

1053
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: is something that you are onto. There's conservative and non

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Speaker 1: conservative like, and that's what's kind of unique about this

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Speaker 1: modern day coaching style. Like I think Dan Quinn and

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Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, if you talk to them twenty years ago,

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Speaker 1: those guys would be old school, tough guys, run the ball,

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Speaker 1: play defense, conservative guys. Now when you watch them, it's

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Speaker 1: go for it, go for it, go for it. So

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Speaker 1: maybe they are just more open minded guys. Like you said,

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00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,919
Speaker 1: they are just more inclined to good things happening where

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Speaker 1: you look at like Belichick, Saban John Harbaugh. Now Harball's

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Speaker 1: a go for it guy, But I would put the

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Speaker 1: Harball brothers they just kind of bad things happening I

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Speaker 1: guess I hear what you're saying. I think you're kind

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Speaker 1: of onto something. I think a lot has to do

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Speaker 1: with it. If you played, at least in college, you

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Speaker 1: just start coaching where you played. So if you were

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Speaker 1: an offensive player or defensive player, that's where you go. Like,

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Speaker 1: why does Kevin O'Connell call offense? He's a quarterback, he

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Speaker 1: was played at San Diego State, got drafted Cliff Kingsbury quarterback,

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Speaker 1: So I think it's a natural. You know, Bruce Arians

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Speaker 1: quarterback called offense, Todd Bowles safety defense. I truly believe

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Speaker 1: a lot of it's that trying to go think of

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Speaker 1: different coaches. I don't think Mike McDonald played, uh trying

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Speaker 1: to go around the NFL Sirianni. I think Sirianni was

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Speaker 1: a wide receiver. I think Vrabel defensive guy, linebacker. I

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Speaker 1: truly believe a lot of it's that. Maybe with scouting,

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Speaker 1: I think some of that would be natural to you.

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00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: Are you negative? Are you a positive guy? Are you

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Speaker 1: glass glass half full? Glass half empty guy? I think

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Speaker 1: with coaching, though, it truly more where you played. Here's

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00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: you for the mail bag. After the Chiefs won the AFC,

1084
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: I started hearing you and others talk about how Andy

1085
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: Reid is on Belichick's ass for the greatest coach of

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00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: all time, This prompted me to search Andy and Bill's

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00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: coaching resume, and I guess I either didn't know or

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00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: just had forgotten that Bill has two rings as a

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00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator on top of the six as a head coach.

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Speaker 1: Seeing this led me to wonder, when evaluating Bills and

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00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: others coaching legacies, how does success as a coordinator factor

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00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: into the all time rankings legacies? If at all, I

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00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: can just speak to my kind of era of guys,

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00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: I think most of the best coaches over the Belichick

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00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 1: and the era will start in like the early nineties,

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00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: have been super Bowl winning coordinators. Belichick, super Bowl winning coordinator,

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Speaker 1: Mike Shanahan, super Bowl winning coordinator, Mike Holmgrin, super Bowl

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Speaker 1: winning coordinator. Who am I miss? Andy wasn't a coordinator,

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Speaker 1: He was not a coordinator, but he was one of

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Speaker 1: the main assistants on a Super Bowl winning team in

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Speaker 1: Green Bay. And you look at then you get to

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Speaker 1: the different next era. John Harbaugh was a huge part

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01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: of special teams and defense on those great Eagles teams

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Speaker 1: with McNabb, Mike Tomlin super Bowl winner as a DV

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01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: coach with UH with Tampa. I think, did Mike Tomlin

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Speaker 1: win win? And I think what you're getting at, too,

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Speaker 1: is the correlation. Uh yeah, he won a Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: in Tampa. He was a dB coach with John Lynch.

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Speaker 1: I think the way you get put on a map

1110
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 1: as an assistant coach is typically to be part of

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01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 1: a good team, like Kevin O'Connell saying, oh, you just

1112
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: got to be connected to Kyle Shanahan or Sean McVay. Well,

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Speaker 1: those teams for the last five years sucked. Those wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have jobs, but they won a Super Bowl, Kyle went

1115
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: to a couple, they were in the playoffs all the time.

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01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: So it's like usually you get hired. Now just because

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Speaker 1: you get hired from one of those staffs doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: you're good. But like, look at all the coaches that

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Speaker 1: have got hired over the last like twenty years from Belichick, Well,

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Speaker 1: why Josh McDaniels, Matt Patricia, Brian Flores, you know, Charlie Weiss,

1121
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 1: Romeo Crenell because they were kicking ass. You know. I

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01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: think a huge, huge part of getting elevated and getting jobs.

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Speaker 1: You know, And when I was like high school ish,

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01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: like all the best teams, the guys getting head jobs

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01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: were from the best defenses, and that happened for a

1126
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,919
Speaker 1: long time up until like five ten years ago. Now

1127
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: this year kind of came back, but a lot of

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Speaker 1: guys from the Great Ravens team. You know. It's like

1129
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Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis, Rex Ryan, Mike Nolan, the Tampa team, Tomlin,

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Speaker 1: their defensive line coach, Rod mir and Nelly. You know.

1131
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Speaker 1: It's like, so if when you're part of great teams

1132
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: you become famous, It's like you could be a no

1133
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: name actor and put the guy in like Wolf of

1134
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: Wall Street or you know, The Godfather or whatever. You

1135
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: just you pick a random movie. If it's an all

1136
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: time movie, that guy's career is probably gonna change. It's

1137
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: probably gonna have a massive, massive change. I ended up

1138
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:30,120
Speaker 1: on this uh YouTube about Josh Brolin. He was being

1139
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Speaker 1: interviewed by Graham. I always mess up with the guy's

1140
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: last name, but he just interviews like famous people, athletes, actors,

1141
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Speaker 1: and Josh was a child actor. I didn't know that

1142
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Speaker 1: well before my time. And he said, like, for twenty years,

1143
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 1: my career sucked nothing happened in my career. And then

1144
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: he got No Country for Old Men, which I actually

1145
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: watched after watching that, Uh that interview. It was a

1146
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: it was a clip from the interview. I ended up

1147
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 1: watching more clips because I was like, I love this guy,

1148
01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 1: Josh Brolin loves Sacario. But I haven't seen Dune, but

1149
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 1: I bet it's I wasn't gonna watch it. Not my

1150
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: style of movie, but knowing he started talking about him

1151
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: like I probably checked this out, but he's like, No

1152
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 1: Country Old Men changed my life. Like I've always been

1153
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: kind of picky at movies. He's like I was turning

1154
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: down movies that I had no business turning down with money.

1155
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: My options completely changed. It's not like I changed as

1156
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Speaker 1: an actor. I was always been the same guy. It's

1157
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Speaker 1: just like there are a lot of really good coaches

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01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: that are on shitty teams. You know, Like if that

1159
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: guy got the opportunity to be at Ohio State, to

1160
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Speaker 1: be at Texas to work for Andy Reid, like he'd

1161
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Speaker 1: become a star. But maybe he's just on the panthers.

1162
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Speaker 1: We're at Texas Tech. It's not his fault. He just

1163
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: doesn't know those guys. He just got hired. He He's

1164
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: just kind of there and in life no different coaching.

1165
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: Sometimes you needed a big break, like Andy Reid getting

1166
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: on Home Gren Staff and John Gruden getting on Home

1167
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: Grind Staff and Mariucci getting on Home Grend Staff changed

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Speaker 1: their lives. I'm sure all three of them will be

1169
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: the first people to tell you that Brett Farv changed

1170
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Speaker 1: their life, changed their life. Tom Brady changed a ton

1171
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: of people's lives. Peyton Manning changed a ton of Aaron

1172
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: Rodgers a ton of people's lives even if they failed,

1173
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: like Mackadoo made a lot of money because Aaron Rodgers,

1174
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: Joe Philben a lot of money because Aaron Rodgers, like

1175
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: these guys Nate Hackett. So it's great coaches are usually

1176
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Speaker 1: associated assistant coaches with a great player, a great head coach,

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Speaker 1: and they usually go hand in hand. Bill Wats, Joe Montana, Belichick, Brady,

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid, Mahomes, Phil Jackson, Michael Jordan. You put Phil

1179
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: Jackson with like fucking James Harden and Phil Jackson. Name

1180
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: for your fans. People want me to have a name

1181
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:59,439
Speaker 1: for my fans. So I like where the one guy

1182
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: was going with the fourth Downers, But it's kind of

1183
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: an awkward name. How about the punning unit? What happens

1184
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: when you go three and out send in the punning unit?

1185
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 1: I think the key to a name and this is

1186
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: growing on me. It has to almost be It can't

1187
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: be three words. It can't be like the X Y

1188
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: right or I think it basically has to be like

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01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: a couple syllables. Ideally one word. I was thinking like

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01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 1: the practice squad, but the middle cough squad, cough squad.

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01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: I'm not great at this stuff, but I think we're

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01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 1: kind of getting down the right path the punning unit.

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01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: I appreciate the idea. It's actually a good idea, and

1194
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: the logic behind the idea I like it. I just think,

1195
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: here comes the punning unit. It doesn't quite work. It

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01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 1: doesn't quite work. When I was a kid, Jim Rome,

1197
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 1: I think had the was the Cronies. Maybe yeah, what

1198
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: is Jim Rome's fans called the Clones the Clones. I

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01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 1: was close the Clones. That was good, the Clones, Like

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01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: that's Portnoy has the Stooley's the Clones. I think the

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01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: key for this to work it's got to basically be

1202
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Speaker 1: one word. I don't know what that word is, but

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Speaker 1: I don't think it can be like a statement like, uh,

1204
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 1: here comes the third down defense, right, here comes the

1205
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: punting units. I thought for probably a couple of minutes

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Speaker 1: the other day and I was like, I'm not even

1207
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: close to getting a good idea, But like clones, that

1208
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 1: was pretty legendary when I was a kid, I was

1209
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: I thought I was a clone. I've never even called in,

1210
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Speaker 1: but I felt it right. So I the one word.

1211
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: One word's key. It doesn't even have to be football related.

1212
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: It can be. It can be in something that sticks,

1213
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:55,560
Speaker 1: some that's good, something that's catchy. But uh, I think

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Speaker 1: one word is pretty key. The volume