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Speaker 4: Oh what is going on? Good morning?

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Speaker 5: Welcome in happy Saturday tune as we get you all

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Speaker 5: set for game six. The third is that right? Let's

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Speaker 5: see the third best two words in sports?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 5: Super Bowl's best, Game seven is second best. These are

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Speaker 5: the third best two words in sports. I would say

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Speaker 5: that's right. You got something else going on down on the.

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Speaker 6: Power ratings now, I don't know, there might be something

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Speaker 6: else that sneaks up there.

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Speaker 4: Power ratings third in the list, right down.

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Speaker 6: The sports words power. I don't have to put some

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Speaker 6: thought to it. I haven't really thought of anything past two.

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Speaker 6: Usually it's just two.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, extend our list.

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Speaker 6: We put anything for this list, like, I don't know

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Speaker 6: what comes after the second word.

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Speaker 5: You know, we're spitballing here, you know, so it's a

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Speaker 5: working list. How about how we got here to game six?

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Speaker 5: So I loved Karl Anthony Towns quote after Game five

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Speaker 5: he said, we came out with energy and we're the

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Speaker 5: first ones to throw a punch.

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Speaker 4: That's a great quote.

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Speaker 5: Right there, and it's basically the opposite as what Pascal

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Speaker 5: Siakam said. Now, Siakam's had a good series. Game two,

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Speaker 5: he was tremendous with thirty nine points. A little quieter

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Speaker 5: in Game five. And this is what Siakam had to

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Speaker 5: say after the Game five loss for the Pacers.

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Speaker 2: They played harder than us.

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Speaker 7: I think I think they play harder than us, you know,

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Speaker 7: loose balls, like rebounds like all that. We gotta be

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Speaker 7: able to win that battle.

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Speaker 5: He's right, but it blows my mind that he's right.

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Speaker 5: I just I don't understand this. You have this happen

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Speaker 5: in basketball from time to time, a little bit too frequently.

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Speaker 5: But I get it. If in an elimination game afterward,

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Speaker 5: in game five, like there's a trip to the finals

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Speaker 5: that's right within your grasp here for the Pacers, and

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Speaker 5: if they came out and they just could not buy

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Speaker 5: a shot, I get that. Sometimes you go cold. If

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Speaker 5: the postgame interview is, hey, it just wasn't our night.

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Speaker 5: We couldn't hit anything from the perimeter. We couldn't buy

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Speaker 5: a three. Okay, sometimes you don't shoot well, no problem,

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Speaker 5: But after a game to be like it wasn't our night.

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Speaker 4: They just played harder than us. It blows my mind rebounds,

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Speaker 4: you know, getting a loose ball.

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Speaker 5: They seem to win all those I shrug your shoulders.

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Speaker 5: It's like, what how this happened in the Western Conference

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Speaker 5: finals as well.

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Speaker 2: We didn't go.

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Speaker 5: Crazy because OKC was the better team and they clearly

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Speaker 5: were gonna win the series.

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Speaker 4: But Game three they lost by forty two.

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Speaker 5: Points, and SGA was like, yeah, we just didn't have

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Speaker 5: the right focus or energy tonight. And it's like, what

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Speaker 5: do you do? Like, were you gassed from playing Xbox

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Speaker 5: or something? What it's the playoffs here? How how after

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Speaker 5: a game can you say, hey, they just outworked us,

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Speaker 5: they played harder than us. That has something I will

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Speaker 5: never understand, But hey, it doesn't matter now we've got

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Speaker 5: game six. Now about game five, but that's how we

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Speaker 5: partially got to Game six, is that the Knicks outworked

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Speaker 4: You should never be able to say that after a game.

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 8: I get it, and I've been there been a part

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Speaker 8: of teams where the way we've lost was embarrassing because

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Speaker 8: either you didn't feel like as a group there was

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Speaker 8: enough mental preparedness, or there wasn't enough of the trade

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Speaker 8: mark charisma as a group that gets you through tough moments,

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Speaker 8: whatever it may be. And look, the reason why sports

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Speaker 8: are interesting is because sports aren't played by robots. You know,

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Speaker 8: this isn't artificial intelligence that's spitting out a result in

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Speaker 8: you know, fractions of a second. You know, this is

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Speaker 8: a long drawn out season. This is a long drawn

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Speaker 8: out playoffs, and this series in particular, I feel like

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Speaker 8: we started it back in you know, early April, and

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Speaker 8: you know now we're heading toward a game six and

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Speaker 8: we'll see the pan ultimate game potentially if the Knicks

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Speaker 8: can force the series to continue. So yeah, I get it,

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Speaker 8: I mean, and I think it's honest. I like it

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Speaker 8: when athletes give you their own appraisal of where a

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Speaker 8: team's at and it's not a canned answer.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 8: I credit Pascal Siakam for not giving the Hey, you

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Speaker 8: know what, we tried real hard and obviously a lot

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Speaker 8: of credit to the Knicks because that's a hungry team,

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Speaker 8: and we knew that this was gonna be a battle

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Speaker 8: hundred and ten percent, you know, anything we could do,

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Speaker 8: whether it's in you know, our physical therapy or our

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Speaker 8: training sessions or our film room sessions. Like we're gonna

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Speaker 8: go out there, We're gonna battle because that's what we

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Speaker 8: do as a group. We're the Pacers.

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Speaker 2: We battle.

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Speaker 8: Like I would be so much more annoyed by that

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Speaker 8: of how he felt after the game. So I mean, look,

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Speaker 8: it's up to you whether or not you like the answer.

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Speaker 8: It's up to you whether or not you feel like

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Speaker 8: it's a justifiable answer. But I like the answer because

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Speaker 8: it's the honest one.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, isn't this what happens during the regular season, like

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Speaker 6: every night?

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Speaker 3: Like it?

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Speaker 6: I agree, Like we should definitely be past this point

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Speaker 6: now in game six essentially of the Eastern Conference Finals,

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Speaker 6: you're basically a breath away from the finals Finals. But

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Speaker 6: this is also what the NBA is on a cellular level.

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Speaker 6: Every single night. There are some nights where these guys

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Speaker 6: just don't have it.

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Speaker 3: And we saw the Super Bowl too.

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Speaker 6: I mean that game was a complete no show from

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Speaker 6: not you know, I'm not gonna say that they didn't

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Speaker 6: show up because they were you know, they didn't have

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Speaker 6: the energy or whatever excuse Siakam gave. But this happens

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Speaker 6: in sports all the time, and it's happening a lot

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Speaker 6: more this postseason than I can recall. And maybe this

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Speaker 6: been incredibly one sided towards the winning team, like insanely

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Speaker 6: one sided. And to take it a step further, the

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Speaker 6: games that have decided series are being decided on an

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Speaker 6: average by twenty points per game. Right, there's been thirteen

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Speaker 6: series decided so far. Those thirteen deciding games are just

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Speaker 6: hulla blowouts. Only three of them have been one score games.

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Speaker 6: So you just get this mail it in one, two,

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Speaker 6: And then in the deciding game situation when the team

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Speaker 6: that is about to be eliminated is losing their like,

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Speaker 3: Let's just mail it in.

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Speaker 6: Like it just it does seem like the NBA has

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Speaker 6: a big problem right now with these blowouts, because it's

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Speaker 4: Well, I think, what's interesting?

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Speaker 5: And I never really thought of it until Rich said

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Speaker 5: it where a lot of times we just automatically say, hey, the.

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Speaker 4: Truth is refreshing. Isn't the truth so great?

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Speaker 5: I really respect the truth, and it's just all happy,

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Speaker 5: about it until but now. But sometimes the truth sucks.

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Speaker 5: I mean, like I can I don't want you to

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Speaker 5: lie to me. I appreciate you telling me the truth.

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Speaker 5: I just wish that weren't the truth, you know what

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Speaker 5: I mean? Like if I'm at the beach and my

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Speaker 5: next to the ocean. She might appreciate the truth. She

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Speaker 5: doesn't like that that's the truth. And so I'm like you, Rich,

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Speaker 5: I appreciate Siakam telling the truth.

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Speaker 4: I just hate that that's the truth.

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Speaker 5: How can you at the end of a playoff game

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Speaker 5: where you have a trip to the finals on the line,

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Speaker 5: say yeah, they just outworked us all night long. That's

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Speaker 5: the thing where Russell Westbrook, you can never say that

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Speaker 5: about him. You can never say he just didn't have

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Speaker 5: it tonight. He just didn't he got outworked by the

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Speaker 5: other guy. You can say all kinds of things, like

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Speaker 5: he can't buy a shot from outside. You could call

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Speaker 5: him west Brick if you want to, like all of

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Speaker 5: those things. You can be critical of his game. You

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Speaker 5: He was right to play every single game. You cannot

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Speaker 5: have the energy. He always had that. And that's the

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Speaker 5: one thing you have one hundred percent control over. You

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Speaker 5: don't have one hundred percent control over every shot you

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Speaker 5: take going in. It's just not gonna happen right like

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Speaker 5: you should forty percent from three, You're you're doing outstanding work.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 4: The one thing you can control is your effort level

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Speaker 5: And for the Pacers to just sit there and be like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: didn't quite have it.

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Speaker 4: Nicks were on another level than us. I got nothing

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Speaker 5: I'm baffled because of that, and it's like it's the

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Speaker 5: same situation for both teams. It'd be like a football

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Speaker 5: game complaining about the weather and it's like, well, the

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Speaker 5: other team was playing in that same weather too. You know,

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Speaker 5: they're just better than you in that weather. So the Knicks,

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Speaker 5: they're going through the same schedule as the Pacers, and

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Speaker 5: so it just falls on deaf ears for me.

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Speaker 4: I want to hear it.

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Speaker 5: I get it's a grind, but you're that close to

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Speaker 5: punching your ticket to face the thunder and they just

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Speaker 5: outworked you all night long.

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Speaker 4: It's unacceptable.

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Speaker 8: Well, the other problem is they go as Tyrese Halliburton goes,

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Speaker 8: and it has been that way all season long. They

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Speaker 8: are thirty and three through the regular season in playoffs

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Speaker 8: when he scores more than twenty points, all right, especially

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Speaker 8: during the playoffs. He's averaging twenty one point three points

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Speaker 8: on forty almost forty eight percent shooting in their eleven

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Speaker 8: wins this postseason, compared with his average that hovers around

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Speaker 8: eleven and a half points and thirty nine percent from

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Speaker 8: the field in their four losses. In Game five, he

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Speaker 8: had eight points. So I mean, there it is. And

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Speaker 8: don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say all

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Speaker 8: of the Pacers losses have been inexorably linked or tied

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Speaker 8: to Tyrese Halliburton's scoring totals, because that is just such

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Speaker 8: a vanilla, surface level stat, but it is telling when

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Speaker 8: you have a ratio like thirty wins to three when

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Speaker 8: system goes through Halliburton. So if you find a way

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Speaker 8: to minimize his effectiveness, which very few teams have over

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the turnovers for me is gonna be the key

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Speaker 6: At fifteen turnovers the other night, which is not a

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Speaker 3: And I think it's gonna land probably right in that area.

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Speaker 4: That's good stuff.

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Speaker 5: Especially, I would add to it, Jared, is especially on

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Speaker 6: Big You got to keep it under that thirteen and

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Speaker 5: gonna get to the player that is attempting to shift

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Speaker 5: over here, fellas I've got my my frappuccino, I've got

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Speaker 6: So let me get this straight. So Bino's gonna pay

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Speaker 8: This is ridiculous. I can't believe you know what. And honestly,

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Speaker 8: with you.

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Speaker 2: But I'm I'm.

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Speaker 8: Sitting in Palm Springs right now. We're doing the We're

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Speaker 2: Have Wow, I have cup.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, very nice. I love the front seat of broadcasting.

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Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, it's really good for being in the front

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Speaker 6: wild How good you said?

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Speaker 2: I really love the child.

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Speaker 4: Where's the front seat video feed? Where's that at?

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Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 2: It's up and running out.

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Speaker 8: I haven't been invited in by Bo Benson.

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Speaker 3: You know, dingo?

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Speaker 5: What got Okay, so you gout? You guys, tell me

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Speaker 5: when all right, you got a good I trukay, all right, Jared,

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Speaker 5: you got a good view, so you got we're dumping

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Speaker 6: Mix it up in there and doing I'm not trying

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, look at the.

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Speaker 5: Well, this will be the first time we'll see Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all right, hang on, see the radio audience

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Speaker 2: Right now.

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Speaker 6: I'm watching I'm watching his playoff going play by Kevin Harlan.

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Speaker 3: He's shaking up.

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Speaker 2: We've got a streaker.

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Speaker 8: He's he's at the forty, he's at the twelve.

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Speaker 2: Security has now detained the man. Put on your pants.

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Speaker 2: You're a man.

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Speaker 5: It's only right for you. Was a little more, Yes,

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Speaker 6: Wow, you're going back like you're going in for seconds

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Speaker 2: No, thank this for me.

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Speaker 4: It's a it's a healthy portion right there.

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Speaker 5: Okay, that's like we're this is supposed to hurt okay,

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Speaker 5: coming in last play supposed to hurt. Hopefully this will yeah,

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Speaker 5: never die in my memory bank crowning.

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Speaker 4: I'm for a rapid fire.

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Speaker 5: I you know, I consider my choices a little more carefully.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's you.

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Speaker 6: You're not gonna pull a Pascal Siakam and say the Knicks.

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Speaker 3: Out worked us tonight.

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Speaker 6: Ever again, he's not getting out worked on rapid fire for.

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Speaker 2: The rest of time.

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Speaker 4: Can't happen?

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Speaker 3: Okay, can't happen.

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Speaker 4: It's shaken up pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 5: Can I go Indy five hundred and just take one

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Speaker 5: sip and then just dump the rest on my head?

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Speaker 5: Is that the fishing list?

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Speaker 6: That's how you want to spend your morning? Then being

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Speaker 6: caked in Mayo coffee?

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Speaker 3: Then go for it, Bud.

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Speaker 8: I'm having wow flashbacks right now. This is and sympathy

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Speaker 8: TSD know how bad this is. I remember I didn't

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Speaker 8: even shake mine when when well, I guess I'm gonna

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Speaker 8: have to do this in a week's time since you've

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Speaker 8: kicked this back off. But I I I squeezed it out.

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Speaker 8: It was an easy squeeze Mayo bottle bottle. It looked

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I did. Okay, one last one last shake

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Speaker 3: Here's my production.

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Speaker 2: Here we go.

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Speaker 6: Ryan's gonna like this because he's he's a little strange, right,

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Speaker 6: and then that way I think you're gonna like this.

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Speaker 3: It's I'm gonna drink this. I'm Gonnadrin coffee from now on.

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Speaker 5: I'm just I'm not going for taste. I'm just chugging

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Speaker 3: To get.

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Speaker 2: Oh god, there he goes.

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Speaker 8: All right, he is already a quarter of a way

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Speaker 8: That is a down frappuccino mixed with what I would

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Speaker 8: time I could have predicted that, But that took you

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Speaker 5: Hey man, we're just weird after taste, weird after taste.

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Speaker 5: We're just we're all about just to get it over with, man.

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Speaker 2: Like that.

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Speaker 3: That was impressive.

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Speaker 6: I mean I was not expected that kind of level

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Speaker 4: Well, hey, I appreciate that, Jared friends, but.

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Speaker 5: They are yeah, yeah, slide anything.

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Speaker 2: Down right now.

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Speaker 4: It's very very good description right there.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So I want to throw Caleb Williams your way

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Speaker 4: Is about Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 5: So the details about Caleb Williams is that he and

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Speaker 4: Right Like Caleb wasn't hot on the idea.

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Speaker 5: Carl Williams said Chicago is the place quarterbacks go to die.

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Speaker 5: And then, according to Wickersham, Carl Williams talked to lawyers

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Speaker 5: He's like, can my son go to the UFL? Can

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Speaker 4: Is that a thing? Can we do that? So they

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Speaker 5: Toward potentially avoiding the Bears, and in the end, Caleb

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Speaker 5: meaning making life so bad for Chicago that they're like, hey,

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Speaker 5: So all of these details is what Caleb Williams addressed

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Speaker 4: Here you go check it out.

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Speaker 10: And I want to come here and you know, be

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Speaker 10: Family friends, Ryan, Kevin, you know, flus And and Shane,

443
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,360
Speaker 10: all those guys that you know went through that all

444
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 10: of that process with me, uh to get me here.

445
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 10: But it was a it was a you know, all

446
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 10: those things, like I said, with thoughts, but the main

447
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 10: goal and the main objective of being here is to

448
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 10: to turn around. That's why I was selected number one.

449
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 4: I love it, man. It's uh for him to be

450
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 4: like all that other stuff. Those are just thoughts, you.

451
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,199
Speaker 5: Know about me wanting to go to the Vikings and

452
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,199
Speaker 5: just thoughts, ufl just thoughts, you know, the most important

453
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 5: thing I eventually wanted to be here in Chicago? What

454
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 5: do you buy? Do you buy that rich? Do you

455
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 5: do a good or bad job? Shifting the focus?

456
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 8: I think it's just about the only thing he could say,

457
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,959
Speaker 8: because I mean, if if Wickersham was flat out, boldface

458
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 8: lying about the information he had, well think Caleb Williams

459
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 8: could just assume him for defaming him or trying to

460
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 8: affect his standing with the organization who drafted him. Caleb

461
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 8: Williams doesn't have grounds to sue because that stuff is true,

462
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. His father did speak to lawyers.

463
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 8: There was strategic caution rooted in the Chicago Bears organizational

464
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 8: history that Carl Williams was concerned with Caleb's father. And

465
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 8: I get it because if you look at the most

466
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,199
Speaker 8: recent draft picks who haven't panned out as quarterbacks with

467
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 8: the Bears, namely Trubisky and Fields, I can understand as

468
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 8: a parent especially as involved of a parent as Carl

469
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 8: appears to be having some serious concerns about your son

470
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 8: going to Chicago.

471
00:23:58,320 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 2: The other thing is.

472
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 8: This is a little bit of a cautionary tale for

473
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 8: NFL franchises. You have to understand how you're viewed as

474
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 8: an NFL franchise, like and not all thirty two are

475
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 8: equally evaluated or looked at the same way. I mean,

476
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 8: the Chicago Bears have a bad name when you draft

477
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 8: a guy and their knee jerk reaction is I can't

478
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 8: play there, Like you've got a real image problem. Yeah,

479
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 8: so the Bears have to change that quick fasten in

480
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 8: a hurry. And maybe Caleb Williams is the soothing balm

481
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 8: or the elixir to that. We'll find out. And then

482
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 8: my other thought about this, and this is something that

483
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 8: I trust. I think Caleb Williams is being authentic when

484
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 8: he says that his perspective evolved through direct engagement with

485
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 8: the people he would be working closely with. When you

486
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 8: meet people face to face, and it isn't an idea anymore.

487
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 8: It's not like, oh my god, I'm gonna play for

488
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 8: who the Chicago Bears?

489
00:24:58,359 --> 00:24:58,479
Speaker 1: What?

490
00:24:58,680 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: That's terrible news?

491
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,159
Speaker 8: And you go and you meet Zach Eberflus, and you

492
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 8: meet you know, the front office, and you meet the

493
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 8: ownership group, and you meet some of your teammates, and

494
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 8: they roll out the red carpet a little bit and

495
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 8: they they're going to give you some of what or

496
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 8: whatever it is that whatever it is that you need

497
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 8: that's filling the void a little bit, you know. It's

498
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 8: I could see being wooed a little bit, you know.

499
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 8: And and so that's what happened with Caleb Williams.

500
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 6: I think we've definitely reached the point where this is

501
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 6: now a non story. I think it was like a

502
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 6: little bit of a story when it first broke because

503
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 6: it was shock value of it. But also hindsight is

504
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 6: twenty twenty on everything. Looking back on the situation, now, Yeah,

505
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 6: the Bears are where quarterbacks go to die. When they

506
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 6: had Matt Ebberflus as their head coach and a disaster

507
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 6: of an offensive situation, I would be willing to bet

508
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 6: that if Caleb Williams went into that situation last year

509
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 6: and the Bears told him, hey Caleb, come here, Bud.

510
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 3: After his meeting with with Eberflus, hey hey.

511
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 6: Hey, Caleb, we're gonna fire Eberflus after the season, and

512
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 6: we're gonna hire Ben Johnson.

513
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 2: We're good, Bud.

514
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like I think if he knew that information, none

515
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 6: of this happens. He goes back to his dad and

516
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 6: he says, hey, Dad, listen, this Eberflus guy. He's he's

517
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 6: a bit of a quack. Like we're gonna be you know,

518
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 6: first year is gonna be a little rocky, and you know,

519
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 6: rookie year is gonna be a little tall.

520
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 3: We're starting to build the pieces around, and then.

521
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 6: We're gonna hire this guy, Ben Johnson, who everybody loves,

522
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 6: who's gonna be the next offensive genius.

523
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 8: But then they meet with Flues first, before Johnson was hired,

524
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 8: wasn't he the first one?

525
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 3: They met with the Bears first, then the Viking second.

526
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, and and so now, don't get me wrong, they

527
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 8: then hired Ben Johnson.

528
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 6: But well, actually no, I flipped that around. They met

529
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 6: with the they met with the Bears second.

530
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

531
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, But my point being, like, even if it were

532
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 8: going to be Eberflus, I realize Johnson's their head coach now,

533
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 8: but even if it were going to be an Eberflus,

534
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 8: my point being, when you walk through the doors and

535
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 8: you talk to the guy for the first time and

536
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 8: you actually hear the voice instead of just have the

537
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 8: idea of who this guy's going to be. I think

538
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 8: that's when the tide started changing. Now, granted, they made

539
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 8: an enormous organizational shift during the I guess the courting

540
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 8: phase of Caleb Williams, even though that's an inappropriate way

541
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 8: to call it. If you were a free agent, it's courting.

542
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 8: You're just drafting the guy and trying to get him

543
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 8: to be on board with you. I agree with you, though,

544
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 8: Jared and Brian, I'm dying to know what you think

545
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 8: about this.

546
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 2: I think overall it is kind of like.

547
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 8: A story that's getting shuffled more into the past and

548
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 8: moving forward.

549
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 2: I'm just curious to see what he looks like.

550
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:00,719
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know.

551
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 5: It's one of these things where it's a big enough

552
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 5: story he had to address it so he doesn't think

553
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 5: it's a non story. I think it's a classic case

554
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 5: of TMI. This is too much information from the beginning

555
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 5: for Caleb Williams and his dad to share these details

556
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 5: with Wickersham. This is better after his career or well

557
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 5: into his career. That's very successful because it lands differently.

558
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 5: If this is at the end of his career and

559
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 5: he's been a decorated quarterback, put up individual numbers, maybe

560
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 5: won a Super Bowl or two, that's possible, and then

561
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 5: he shares this detail of you know what, initially I

562
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 5: didn't even want to be with the Bears because of X,

563
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 5: Y and Z.

564
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 4: All of a sudden, we're like, oh, we get it.

565
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 5: You know, if Jade and Daniels said that about the

566
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 5: Washington Commanders after a really successful rookie season, like, yeah,

567
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 5: honestly I didn't want to be drafted initially by the Commanders,

568
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 5: people are just like, wow, what an interesting tidbit, you know.

569
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 5: But because he was so successful, it's not salacious.

570
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 4: It's not like, whoa, he didn't even want to go there.

571
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 5: Right, So for Caleb Williams and his dad anybody else

572
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 5: who shared these details with Wickersham, it's a total lack

573
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 5: of foresight, just not knowing where it's gonna end up.

574
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 5: He struggled for most of the season, he got sacked

575
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 5: sixty eight times, the Bears went five to twelve, and

576
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 5: now we have these details. If you didn't even want

577
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 5: to go to Chicago initially, you know, like, of course,

578
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 5: it's going to be a big story, and he was

579
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 5: just like, oh shoot, I kind of need to shift

580
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,959
Speaker 5: the focus over here and say a few things about it.

581
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 5: That's why we got his comments this week. And I

582
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 5: think what it boils down to is these are just words.

583
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 5: It's gonna take actions. It's gonna take production. It's gonna

584
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 5: take wins for people to truly forget about that. I

585
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 5: don't think it's the biggest thing in the world. But

586
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 5: if he goes out there and he's underperforming again in

587
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 5: his second season, this story is gonna linger. So you

588
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 5: can't just Jedi mind trick us and be like, oh no,

589
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,479
Speaker 5: the most important part is I want to be here

590
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 5: in Chicago.

591
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 4: Oh really, Caleb?

592
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 5: Is that why you, your dad, your inner circle go

593
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 5: into the UFL to avoid the Bears and now you

594
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 5: want us to believe you wanted to be in Chicago

595
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,239
Speaker 5: all along? Come on, man, no one's buying that. The

596
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 5: only thing that's gonna make people forget is production.

597
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 4: It's actions. It's not words.

598
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 5: It's gonna take individual numbers, wins, not a few sentences,

599
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,719
Speaker 5: because it's going to linger until we get that.

600
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 8: Also, I'm curious if there was ever any conversations with like, hey,

601
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 8: you know, if things don't work out, we may be

602
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 8: making decisions at head coach and you know, you're you're

603
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 8: potentially going to be a part of that conversation, you

604
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 8: know what I mean. I'm curious if some you know,

605
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 8: tentative promises weren't made when they drafted him about what

606
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 8: the future would look like and how involved he would

607
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 8: be with the process. Now, granted, I think an organization

608
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 8: is going to do whatever they want to do. I

609
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 8: think that they probably aren't going to the heed the

610
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 8: warnings of a rookie quarterback rolling off of his season

611
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 8: with a head coach outside of like just maybe what

612
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 8: his opinions are of that coach before making a decision

613
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 8: or you know, I mean, maybe you have your prospective

614
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 8: quarterback meet with a new head coach or something like

615
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 8: that before you officially hire him. Maybe that's a part

616
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 8: of the process. But I'm very curious, like, how did

617
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 8: they sell Caleb Williams. I mean, maybe that comes out

618
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 8: in Seth's book, you know, maybe we'll have more nuanced

619
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 8: information about all that. You know, he's teasing us obviously,

620
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 8: and he's doing a good job because we're still talking

621
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,239
Speaker 8: about this with some of the things that that are

622
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 8: written about the whole.

623
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: Pre draft process. But I'm curious also too.

624
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 8: You know, as as this relationship continued, which obviously continues

625
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 8: on to this day, you know what promises potentially have

626
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 8: been made to ease the sheets between you know.

627
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: The Williams family and the Bears.

628
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 8: And I'm curious then, you know, come contract time, because

629
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 8: depending on how he plays over the next couple of seasons,

630
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 8: you know how hard pressed are the Bears going to

631
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 8: be to keep them? You know, how how far through

632
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 8: the ringer will the Williams family put the Bears. You know,

633
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 8: after this initial dance they had to do to get

634
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 8: everything smoothed out, There's gonna be a lot of questions

635
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 8: about Caleb Williams's future, and I think it all stems

636
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 8: from how bumpy of a road it was his entry

637
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 8: into the NFL.

638
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: I'm very curious where this story goes from here.

639
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 6: You know what the funny thing is And you mentioned this, Brian,

640
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 6: and it got me thinking about Jade Daniels.

641
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 3: Do you guys remember before the.

642
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 6: Draft last year, Adam Peters brought all the quarterbacks in

643
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 6: and it might have been other positions besides just the quarterbacks,

644
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 6: but I recall specifically the quarterbacks, and they had like

645
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 6: a top golf outing with all of them, and Jade

646
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 6: and daniels agent pushed back really hard on that because

647
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 6: it was kind of everyone knews the worst kept secret

648
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 6: in the league, right Caleb was going one and Jade

649
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 6: Daniels was going to like everyone kind of knew that

650
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 6: before the draft, and so everyone expected Washington to just

651
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 6: take Jade and Daniels. But they did this kind of

652
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 6: you know event with all of these prospects, and Jade

653
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 6: and Daniels' agents did not like it, and they pushed

654
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 6: back hard on it publicly, and it created a little

655
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 6: bit of friction before the draft. And now looking back

656
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 6: on how Caleb Williams situation played out and now how

657
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 6: Jaden's situation played out, I kind of understand why these

658
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 6: teams want to push these kids a little bit. Because

659
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Speaker 6: when you push them and you meet with them face

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Speaker 6: to face and it's not just like this, you know,

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Speaker 6: flowery oh, how you doing handshakes and you know, everyone's

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Speaker 6: great and all that, like there's a little bit of

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Speaker 6: energy there, a little bit of friction. It brings out

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Speaker 6: the truth and I think that to me is and listen,

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Speaker 6: Jayden handled it okay like you handled it well. Came

666
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Speaker 6: in and he did his job. But to me, I

667
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Speaker 6: think teams are going to move more towards this. Hey,

668
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 6: we got to bring these kids in and ask them

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Speaker 6: some tough questions and make it a little bit harder

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Speaker 6: on them than just giving them a tour of the

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Speaker 6: facility and meeting all the coaches and then going on

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Speaker 6: your merry way, because we want to know the truth.

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Speaker 6: If some of this stuff is going on behind the scenes,

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Speaker 6: I'd rather know now before I draft you than find

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Speaker 6: out a year later. And now it's a firestorm that

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Speaker 6: we have to address in camp, and it's a distraction

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Speaker 6: and all this stuff.

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Speaker 3: So I think what Adam Peters did last year was

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Speaker 3: very forward thinking. A lot of people were kind of against.

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Speaker 6: It, But now looking back on it and how this

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Speaker 6: Caleb William situations played out, I kind of see where

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Speaker 6: Adam Peters and probably more gms are going to be

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Speaker 6: coming from when they bring these kids in.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'll say real fast, I think it shows how

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Speaker 5: much context matters. Because again, if Jaden Daniels, this is

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Speaker 5: part of Wickersham's book and we've got these juicy details

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Speaker 5: that Jaden Daniels didn't want to go to Washington really

688
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Speaker 5: successful rookie season, he put up numbers, he was electric.

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00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 5: They made it to the NFC Championship Game largely thanks

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Speaker 5: to him, And there are these details you didn't want

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Speaker 5: to go to the Commanders. Wou'd be like, it makes sense.

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Speaker 5: They've been a disaster for the last three decades. They've

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Speaker 5: had a lack of success. You know, we look at

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Speaker 5: it from that point of view, because he and the

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Speaker 5: team had so much success. If Caleb Williams put up

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Speaker 5: the same numbers as a rookie as Jaden Daniels, and

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Speaker 5: the same thing comes out with Rickersham's book, he didn't

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Speaker 5: want to be in Chicago. Initially, we're probably like, well,

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Speaker 5: it makes sense. They don't even have a four thousand

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Speaker 5: yard passer. They have had a long string of horrible

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Speaker 5: quarterback production. It makes sense. But without having that resume

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Speaker 5: in those numbers, it landed completely differently. And you should

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Speaker 5: have understood that before you blabbed these details.

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Speaker 4: You know, so they stepped in it.

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Speaker 5: And he's looking for a mulligan, right The ultimate mulligan

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Speaker 5: very fast. Hey, we're going away very fast. We will

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Speaker 4: All right, let's dive into this.

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Speaker 1: Check this out parlay letter.

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Speaker 5: Ah, Yes, the parlay platter, which have one selection. We

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Speaker 5: pull it together for a greater payout. Jared, we start

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Speaker 5: with you for your pick.

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Speaker 6: And the theme, well, the theme I think is pretty simple.

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Speaker 6: I think we gotta go with Pacers next game six tonight.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if we're gonna have another SAT I

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Speaker 6: don't know what the final schedule is. I'm not sure

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Speaker 6: if we're gonna have another Saturday NBA game for the

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Speaker 6: rest of the season, but we'll still get one on

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Speaker 6: the card for tonight, and I'm gonna just start it

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Speaker 6: off very simple. I think what happened in the first quarter,

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Speaker 6: the first half of the game the other night in

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Speaker 6: Game five, I think that was, to me, not what

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Speaker 6: we usually expect to see from a Pacers team that

746
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Speaker 6: brings that energy, brings that buyer, brings that fight, and

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Speaker 6: I think they are going to eat off of the

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Speaker 6: home crowd tonight and start the game very different.

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Speaker 3: And so I'm gonna keep it very simple.

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Speaker 6: I will put the first quarter money line as the

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Speaker 6: first leg of the parlay. We'll go in chronological order, right,

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Speaker 6: pacers first quarter. I think they get off to a

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Speaker 6: fast start and I think they will have the lead

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Speaker 6: after the opening break.

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Speaker 4: All right, I love that IgG.

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Speaker 8: I'm gonna go with Aaron Nee Smith, who's nursing injury.

757
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 8: He was limited in game five minutes and he was

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00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 8: one for eight from the floor. Nick defensive clap down

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00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 8: hard on some of the key players, and he.

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Speaker 2: Being one of them.

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Speaker 8: Of the pacers, his minutes are shrinking and his point

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Speaker 8: totals are as well. So give me the under eleven

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Speaker 8: and a half points for Aaron Nee Smith in Game

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Speaker 8: six of these Eastern Conference Finals. And I think, paired

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Speaker 8: up with Jared's selection, we're already at plus two fifty,

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Speaker 8: So depends no what you got, bo.

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Speaker 2: We might have a juice little parlay here for the platter.

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Speaker 5: You know what's funny is Jared is highly secretive with

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Speaker 5: the theme of the platter, you know, until the last second,

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Speaker 5: and then.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well that'd be helpful'd be helpful. But the point

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Speaker 4: is I'm not throwing Jared under the bus, I promise.

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Speaker 4: But when he was given his.

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Speaker 5: Leg, I'm like, wait a minute, that's not a prop.

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Speaker 4: And then it's like it dawned on me.

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00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 5: It doesn't need to be It could be anything with

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Speaker 5: this cake, and so I'm like, oh, shoot, that opens

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Speaker 5: up a lot of possibilities. So I agree with Jared

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Speaker 5: in terms of the Pacers starting strong. I think they're

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Speaker 5: coming out of the gate with a ton of energy.

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Speaker 5: They're gonna be going one hundred miles per hour, and

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Speaker 5: so I'm gonna look at their their point total over here,

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Speaker 5: Like you could go with the first half they get

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Speaker 5: off to a great start in the first half, or

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Speaker 5: you could go full game either way. I I think

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Speaker 5: you're on the right train of thinking here, So you know,

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Speaker 5: I'll correlate it with what Jared is going with in

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Speaker 5: the first quarter.

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Speaker 4: I think they start hot, So.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna take the first half team total over the

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Speaker 5: Pacers over fifty six and a half.

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Speaker 4: Oh, That's what I'm gonna go with here.

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Speaker 5: Is that a Miyau's a dollar thirty has a good

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Speaker 5: leg for a parlor.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry to throw a curveball at you at the

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Speaker 4: last second.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's good, Bud.

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Speaker 6: Totals fifty six and a half over for the Pacers

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Speaker 6: in the first half plus four twenty five.

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Speaker 5: Okay, not bad, four to one, not bad at all.

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Speaker 5: All right, a crazy NFL stat next? Oh, welcome in,

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Speaker 5: Happy Saturday to you. I hope your day is off

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Speaker 5: to a great start. So there's a crazy stat in

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Speaker 5: the NFL. I just ran across this during the week

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Speaker 5: and it blew my mind. I don't know if you

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Speaker 5: guys will be as impressed as I was, but here's

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Speaker 5: the stat. Each of the past ten seasons has included

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Speaker 5: at least one team that drafts in the top eight

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Speaker 5: and then goes on to make the playoffs that same season. Right,

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Speaker 5: so think about that. You're drafting in the top eight.

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Speaker 5: That means your record was freaking terrible, you won like

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Speaker 5: three four games, maybe five, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 5: you go on to make it to the playoffs. You

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Speaker 5: go from a four or five win team and you

815
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Speaker 5: make the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: That's pretty good. So it got my mind working.

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Speaker 5: If you look at the teams that drafted in the

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Speaker 5: top eight this past year, just what a month ago.

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Speaker 5: Whose chance do you like the best to make it

820
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 5: to the playoffs here? So these are the teams? Yeah, right, Rich,

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Speaker 5: You've got the Titans.

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Speaker 4: We'll just go in order. Titans, Jags.

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Speaker 5: They traded up with Cleveland, but still would have been

824
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Speaker 5: drafting in the top eight. So Titans, Jags, Giants, Patriots, Browns, Raidas, Jets, Panthers.

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Speaker 5: Out of those eight teams, whose chances do you like

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Speaker 5: the most to make it to the playoffs this year?

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Speaker 8: I like the Patriots. Yeah, I think that the New

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Speaker 8: England Patriots. With Mike Rabel at the helm, you know

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Speaker 8: that defense is gonna be better. You know the culture

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Speaker 8: is going to be stronger. Drake May showed great promise

831
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Speaker 8: as as underwhelming as the weapons were around Drake May

832
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 8: as a young quarterback breaking into the league, he did

833
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Speaker 8: some special things he showed. I think he showed everyone

834
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Speaker 8: enough to get them excited to see what year two is,

835
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 8: sophomore year was going to look like. And then you

836
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Speaker 8: look at their schedule and I'm not saying all these teams,

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Speaker 8: all these games.

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Speaker 2: Will be cupcakes.

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Speaker 8: But they face the Raiders game one, the Steelers they

840
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Speaker 8: get to host them. The Panthers they get to host them,

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00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 8: they go on the road to the Saints. They're going

842
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Speaker 8: to face the Titans this season, They'll host the Falcons,

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Speaker 8: they'll host the Browns, They'll go on the road to

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Speaker 8: play Tampa Bay, which I don't think Baker is going

845
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Speaker 8: to roll over for anybody. But you know, I'm just

846
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 8: looking at their division. The Jets twice, the Dolphins twice,

847
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 8: The Bills are a whole different kind of animal.

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Speaker 2: But man, the New.

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Speaker 8: England Patriots, when you really start thinking about some of

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Speaker 8: the decisions they've made recently, drafting Drake May, hiring Mike Rabel,

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Speaker 8: and then looking at this schedule, you can squint and

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00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 8: you can see daylight here. I could see them. I

853
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 8: could see them breaking into the postseason as a wildcard.

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00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the odds agree with Rich.

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00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 6: Of the eight teams, New England has the shortest odds

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Speaker 6: to make the.

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Speaker 3: Playoffs a plus one fifty five.

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Speaker 6: Do you guys want to guess which team is next

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Speaker 6: on the list in terms of and I'll frame it

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Speaker 6: this way, after this team, So there's two teams that

861
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Speaker 6: are in the top tier of shortest odds to make

862
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Speaker 6: the playoffs.

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00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 3: Of these eight teams, after these two teams.

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Speaker 6: There's a pretty big gap between the rest of the list,

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Speaker 6: so it's really one and two and then there's a gap.

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Speaker 3: So what do you guys think is the second team

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Speaker 3: on the list?

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Speaker 4: I would guess.

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Speaker 5: I would guess it's the Panthers based on you know,

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Speaker 5: Bryce Young taking a step forward, they played a division.

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Speaker 4: That'd be my guess.

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Speaker 5: They were drafting eighth right, they had of these eight

873
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Speaker 5: teams more of a better record last year.

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Speaker 2: I I I mean, my knee jerk reaction was to

875
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 2: agree with Brian, I'm gonna.

876
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 4: Say, and then you reconsidered based off my reaction.

877
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but I was looking.

878
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:34,959
Speaker 3: Terrible booker face.

879
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 2: I was looking directly at Jared Smith when you said

880
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 2: the Carolina paces.

881
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it covered my camera.

882
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 5: You know, It's funny you said that because what I said,

883
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 5: I'm like, I felt strong about the probably Panthers, and

884
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 5: I didn't get any sort of you're on the right track.

885
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,919
Speaker 4: I didn't get anyation a terrible boker face.

886
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 8: I'm gonna say, just based on quarterback alone, the Jacksonville Jaguars.

887
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 6: There it is, right, Yeah, Jacksonville one sixty five, New

888
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,919
Speaker 6: England plus one fifty five. Carolina's third on the list, Brian,

889
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 6: you weren't far off, but it's three to one.

890
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 3: Like there's a pretty big gap there.

891
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 6: Wow, right, you see Vegas plus three ten, the Jets

892
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 6: plus four seventy five, Titans plus four twenty five. That

893
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 6: one kind of intrigued me a little bit. Titans a

894
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 6: plus four twenty five. Now, I'm not gonna bet this now,

895
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 6: But the reason that this intrigues me is the same

896
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 6: reason that Jacksonville is probably the second favorite. Think about

897
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 6: the division that they play in, and I think that

898
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 6: is where like as much as.

899
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 3: New England, and I agree with you Rich New England.

900
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 6: They're favored in a bunch of games, way more games

901
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 6: than they were favored in last year. The vibe is

902
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 6: much more positive in New England. But that scares me

903
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 6: because it does kind of seem like everyone thinks New

904
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 6: England's gonna be that team. And that's where I get

905
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 6: a little hesitant. That doesn't mean New England might not

906
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 6: have a great season, but in terms of like betting value,

907
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 6: I don't know if plus one fifty five off a

908
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 6: team that was drafting in the top five last here

909
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 6: to make the playoffs is something I'd want to go

910
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 6: Tennessee is intriguing. We have no idea what cam Ward is.

911
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 6: He could be JaMarcus Russell, he could be Jadan Daniels,

912
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 6: Like we just don't know until we peel back the

913
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 6: curtain and kind of see it. And at plus four

914
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 6: twenty five in a division that's kind of eh.

915
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 3: If he is Jaden Daniels, well that number is gonna

916
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 3: come down pretty darn quick.

917
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: I hear you.

918
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 4: But he's not Jaden Daniels, you know.

919
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 5: Like that's the thing, Like Jayden Daniels with all the

920
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 5: games he started, and he won a Heisman Trophy, right, like,

921
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 5: we got to remember that. Cam Ward, I'll eat my

922
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 5: words if I'm wrong. I think he's just gonna be

923
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 5: an average NFL quarterback. I would think it's gonna be

924
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 5: a dog with fleas. But the decision making is so

925
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 5: weird from him.

926
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:52,439
Speaker 2: And that was in.

927
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 5: College where one play you're like, Wow, what a playmaker,

928
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 5: what talent? And the next play you're like, dude, what

929
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 5: do you do it? Like you can't throw that late

930
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 5: over the middle. You're throwing like a Kareem skyhook in

931
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 5: the middle.

932
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: Of the field.

933
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,959
Speaker 5: Like it's a good decision. So I just I think

934
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 5: in year one with that roster. Man, if he resembles

935
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 5: anything close to Jayden Daniels, I will be very surprised,

936
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 5: and I'll eat those words if it comes down to it.

937
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 5: But I just don't see him doing work year one

938
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 5: with that many shaky decisions in college. I don't see

939
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 5: how that's just rectified in the NFL. But we'll see

940
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 5: how it goes. I'll tell you what, man, if you

941
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 5: look at the Patriots and you threw this out there, Rich,

942
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 5: you've touched on it to Jared, where I get it, Jared,

943
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 5: Like they're the trendy team right where we're really expecting

944
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 5: better things from the Patriots this year. They're a trendy

945
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 5: bet to go over their season win total over Some

946
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 5: people are very bullish about that too, like, oh, we'll

947
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 5: they can adjust it over, you know, like let's get

948
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 5: more of a higher wind total and go over that too.

949
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 5: Where look, man, they Drake may looks like a real

950
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 5: quarterback and they made some big time upgrades a lot

951
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 5: of free agents. They remind me a lot of the

952
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 5: Washington Commanders last year, where their roster two years ago

953
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 5: was brutal, and they picked up a ton of free

954
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 5: agents last season and matched with Jayden Daniels. That's why

955
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 5: they made it to the NFC Championship Game. So I'm

956
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 5: not calling my shot and saying the Patriot's going to

957
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 5: be in the AFC title game, but it just reminds

958
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 5: me from a free agency standpoint, the Patriots made a

959
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 5: lot of moves just like Washington did last year, and

960
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 5: we'll see if it pays dividends. I'll tell you this

961
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 5: something else to consider. If you think of the three

962
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 5: unique games, that's what I call it. If you look

963
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 5: at teams in the same division, there's a difference of

964
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 5: three games. So depending on where you finished the previous year,

965
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 5: you play a first play schedule, you might play a

966
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 5: last play schedule. Listen to how much this differs between

967
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 5: the Bills and the Pageots. Bills are playing a first

968
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 5: play schedule because they won the division last year. Pats

969
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 5: are playing a last play schedule because their record was brutal. Right,

970
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 5: They're four and thirteen, So the Bills games that differ

971
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 5: from the Patriots. The Bills are at the Texans and

972
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 5: then they get the Chiefs and the Eagles. They have

973
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 5: the two Super Bowl teams of their three unique games.

974
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 4: That's tough.

975
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 5: And then you also look at the Patriots at the Titans,

976
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 5: they get the Raiders and then they host the Giants.

977
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 5: So if you just look at those combined records from

978
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 5: last year, the three teams that Buffalo faces last year,

979
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 5: they went to.

980
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 4: Combined thirty nine and twelve.

981
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 5: The three teams that the Patriots face this coming season,

982
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,479
Speaker 5: last year, those three teams went ten to forty one.

983
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 5: So those three games make a big difference right there.

984
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 5: And for the Patriots to play a last place schedule,

985
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 5: while you also get the Jets twice. Like you said, Rich,

986
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 5: my Dolphins, like, hey, any good players, let's just get

987
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 5: rid of them.

988
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 4: Let's get rid of all of our good players right now,

989
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:05,800
Speaker 4: I would.

990
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 5: Be surprised that the I think the Patriots have a

991
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 5: better chance of sweeping the Dolphins than those two teams.

992
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 5: Splitting man, and we know the Bills. Last thing I

993
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 5: said the Bills. We know their credentials. The Patriots have

994
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 5: had much worse rosters than they have this year, and

995
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,479
Speaker 5: they've beaten the Bills. They've given the Bills a hard time,

996
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 5: like going to Foxborough. The Bills have had their struggles

997
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 5: over there. So I think the Pats are live to

998
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 5: have a pretty good season.

999
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, I went from I went from being on the

1000
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 8: fence about the list to being pretty certain that the

1001
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 8: Patriots were the team that I wanted to go with

1002
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 8: as a potential playoff team after picking in the.

1003
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 2: Top eat in the top eight.

1004
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 8: But now, after that dissertation, Brian, I think I am

1005
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 8: going for the adjusted win total.

1006
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 2: I think. I think I.

1007
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 8: Think they went over twelve and a half games this season.

1008
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 8: Not I'm teason, no, But here's the reality. Could they

1009
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 8: win thirteen games this year? Could they win twelve games

1010
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 8: this year? I let's put it this way. I wouldn't

1011
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 8: be astounded. I wouldn't be flabbergasted. I wouldn't be shocked

1012
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 8: if they did. Now would it be a shocking turnaround?

1013
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 8: I guess yes, compared to how bad they were last year.

1014
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 8: But we've seen this before. I mean, think about the

1015
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 8: Kansas City Chiefs. Year over year you have Andy Reid.

1016
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 8: And again this is in the time where it was

1017
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 8: sixteen games, not seventeen games. Yet Andy Reid get hired

1018
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 8: by the Kansas City Chiefs after a three win season.

1019
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 8: They win eleven games, and the biggest move they made

1020
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 8: was trading for Alex Smith, who was later in his tenure,

1021
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 8: obviously replaced by Patrick Mahomes. But but that year was

1022
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,439
Speaker 8: an important year for the Chiefs because they changed over

1023
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 8: the organization to a stable head head coach. They found

1024
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 8: a quarterback in Alex Smith, who had been cast aside

1025
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 8: by the San Francisco forty nine ers because they were

1026
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 8: gonna roll with their guy Kaepernick, and so they had

1027
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 8: themselves a playoff contending team in just a year after

1028
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 8: a couple of offseason improvements, including a draft. You know,

1029
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 8: another team, and I'm just gonna throw it out there

1030
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,919
Speaker 8: just because it's a team that I like to look

1031
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 8: at on paper. I like their offensive coordinator, I like

1032
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 8: their head coach. I like their quarterback now with Gino

1033
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 8: Smith the Raiders. I like the way they drafted. I

1034
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 8: thought Jen d was great. I liked Max Crosby defensively

1035
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 8: as a feature piece of that defense.

1036
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 2: Like, I'm just gonna throw it out there. Tough division.

1037
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 8: You know, everywhere you look, you got problems and not

1038
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 8: the easiest of road maps in terms of their schedule.

1039
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 2: But I just like the way the Raiders.

1040
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 8: Are built right now, and I'm very curious what they

1041
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 8: look like in twenty twenty five.

1042
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, chip Kelly, Hey, yeah, go ahead, Bud, Yeah, go ahead,

1043
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 4: go ahead. No, if you go first, I'll go.

1044
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 6: I was just gonna say, chip Kelly came out recently

1045
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 6: and said that he thinks Gino Smith is going to

1046
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 6: be a rock star in this offense, but the original

1047
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 6: before Rich went down the Raiders path, I was gonna say,

1048
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 6: let's let's go through the Patriots schedule game by game quickly, yeah,

1049
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,720
Speaker 6: and kind of see where we're at. And the irony

1050
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 6: is they play Vegas in Week one at home. They're

1051
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 6: about a three and a half point favorite in that game,

1052
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 6: and that game might be kind of the determining factor

1053
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 6: for the vibe of the season. And then I'll be

1054
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 6: honest and Rich, you probably could speak to this Week two,

1055
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 6: New England goes to Miami, and I think it's a

1056
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 6: very important get. That game is in Miami and it's

1057
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:48,439
Speaker 6: during the day because hard, yeah, especially in September when

1058
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 6: you're dealing with the sidelines and the heat and all

1059
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 6: that stuff. Then some really tough games after that, right,

1060
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 6: Pittsburgh Carolina is winnable. Then they go to Buffalo on

1061
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 6: a Sunday night, Then they have to go to New Orleans,

1062
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 6: go to Tennis, the Cleveland, Atlanta, Tampa, then the Jets

1063
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 6: on a Thursday night.

1064
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 4: Such a favorable start of their birthday games. I'm like, wow,

1065
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 4: love them, love them, love them.

1066
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 11: Wow.

1067
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 2: There are a lot.

1068
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 6: Like to me like I, and they don't have their

1069
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 6: buy until week fourteen. I absolutely could see New England.

1070
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 6: So they go into their bye week fourteen, and then

1071
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 6: they close with three divisional games and at the Ravens.

1072
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 6: They played Buffalo at Baltimore at Jets home against Miami,

1073
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 6: and that game will be obviously a very cold weather

1074
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 6: game for the Dolphins, which we've seen how that goes

1075
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 6: over the years with Tua. I mean, it feels like

1076
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 6: if they can kind of be in contention going into

1077
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 6: their bye week. Obviously those last four games are tough,

1078
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 6: but man, I can see a path for them to

1079
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 6: win ten or eleven games this year.

1080
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 5: Here's here's something else, right, building off of what both

1081
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 5: you guys are saying, this is eerie because like again,

1082
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 5: going into last season, Washington game a lot of free agents,

1083
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 5: a lot of dudes, and they really strengthened their roster.

1084
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 5: And I think the Patriots have done the same thing.

1085
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 5: So you have that tie in. You also have this

1086
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 5: Washington before last season. You know, two years ago, what

1087
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 5: was their record four and thirteen? What are the Patriots?

1088
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 5: What was their record last year? Four and thirteen? Who

1089
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 5: did the Commanders play? The two divisions that they played

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Speaker 5: last year beyond their own? It was the AFC North

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Speaker 5: and the NFC South. Wow, we were the two divisions

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Speaker 5: that the Patriots played this season, AFC North, NFC South.

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Speaker 5: Now we're not saying Drake may Is, Jayden Daniels. We're

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Speaker 5: not saying the Patriots gonna make it to the AFC

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Speaker 5: title game. When you have that many things that are

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Speaker 5: comparable to a team in Washington that you saw go

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Speaker 5: from a four win team to a twelve win team

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Speaker 5: and playing in the conference title game like the Patriots

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Speaker 5: making the playoffs, I think it makes a.

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Speaker 4: Ton of sense. I think it makes the most sense

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Speaker 4: of the teams that drafted in the top eight last year.

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Speaker 4: I have to do is play the games and win him.

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Speaker 6: Now, I think I'm against the Jacksonville right. Hey, I

1104
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 6: don't understand those jackson Villades. I don't do not see

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00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 6: them as a playoff team.

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Speaker 5: The one thing I'll say about Jacksonville is when you

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Speaker 5: have your starting quarterback get hurt for numerous games.

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Speaker 4: Like Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 5: He hasn't been a top five, top ten guy, but

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Speaker 5: he's been durable outside of last season.

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Speaker 4: And before last season.

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Speaker 5: They were nine to eight in consecutive years. And so

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00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,720
Speaker 5: you get Trevor Lawrence back. Let's say he's healthy, starts

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Speaker 5: all seventeen games. Now, all of a sudden, you got

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Speaker 5: Brian Thomas Junior, who is a baller. You've got Travis

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Speaker 5: Hunter over there. You pick up Diami Brown like you

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00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 5: got a decent wide receiving corps. And with the quarterback

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Speaker 5: who's had a ton of potential, just hasn't had the

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Speaker 5: production yet. Let's say he takes a step forward in

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Speaker 5: that dog division, Like I can see it. I could

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Speaker 5: see them being a playoff team. I think that's that's

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Speaker 5: about it on the list I could see yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: first bet. Okay, later this hour, we have controversy potentially

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Speaker 5: the Russian judge is teetering. That's all I'm gonna tell

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Speaker 5: you right now, teetering, So we'll give you the controversy

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Speaker 5: a little bit later this hour. Coming up next, Seamus

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Speaker 5: McGee get you all set for Game six, Nicks, Pacers

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Speaker 5: and beyond, covering the betting spectrum Shamous on the way.

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Speaker 5: I mentioned there's a little bit of pushback from the

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Speaker 5: Russian judge. That's a colorful way of describing our technical producer,

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00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 5: Chris Purfet.

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Speaker 4: Because he's like, hey, what what mayo did you use

1149
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 4: for the bet payoff? Right there, I finished laster of

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Speaker 4: rapid during football season.

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Speaker 5: Unacceptable, and I said, actually it was Miracle Whip, and

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00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 5: he goes, don't no, I don't know that qualifies the

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00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 5: legitimate mayo because it's a blend of dressing in mayo.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know, what do you guys think is

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00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 4: the bet been paid offer?

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00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 6: It's not a creamer that you put in coffee and

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00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 6: it tastes like mayonnaise.

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Speaker 3: I think we're.

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Speaker 12: Oh, well, A, I don't think Miracle Whip tastes like

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Speaker 12: mayonnaise at all. But b I think it is worse

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00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 12: to have Miracle Whip in coffee than mayonnaise.

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Speaker 3: So I think he's punished himself.

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Speaker 2: Further, I.

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Speaker 8: Think I think Miracle Whip is overall pretty gross, extra

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Speaker 8: and and flavor. Although I will say this, I I

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Speaker 8: you know, at the same time I just said all

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Speaker 8: those mean things about Miracle Whip and the fine people

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Speaker 8: at Miracle Whip.

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Speaker 2: You make a product that is beloved by many.

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Speaker 3: Fox Sports Countdown presented by Miracle Yeah.

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Speaker 12: Right, yeah, if we were doing this original style, like

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Speaker 12: like whatever the quarterback's name is, like it would have

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Speaker 12: been Duke's Mayo, But I don't know you're producing about though.

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Speaker 12: He hates all Mayo, so he's not a good judge this.

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Speaker 12: I I'm fine with Mayo, but I cannot stand Miracle Whip.

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Speaker 8: So this is like I like to pretend sometimes guys

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Speaker 8: that I'm like a food snob, like I have a

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Speaker 8: real strong opinion on certain foods.

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Speaker 2: Like where I'm like, I would turn my nose up at.

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Speaker 8: Miracle Whip, especially in coffee, disgusting. Meanwhile, I could see

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Speaker 8: myself potentially enjoying the combination, like I am there. There's

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Speaker 8: there's no question in my mind that you have passed

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01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 8: this challenge. I think it's ridiculous that I haven't paid

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01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:18,439
Speaker 8: off my bet from last football season, and I'll take

1185
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Speaker 8: care of that next week. But I'm gonna take care

1186
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 8: of it with Helman's or Best Foods or whatever the.

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Speaker 2: Hell they call.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, here we go. Fair enough, all right, Seamus is

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Speaker 4: with us. Let's dive into this.

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Speaker 1: Follow the money, real good money.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 5: He is Seamous McGee, team lead of sports trading at

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Speaker 5: bet MGM.

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Speaker 4: Good morning, Seamus. I'm gonna ambush you a little bit here.

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Speaker 5: Have you accepted that your Knicks are gonna lose this

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Speaker 5: series or do you still have false hope?

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Speaker 2: Great?

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Speaker 9: Two bad guys. I thought the series is over after

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Speaker 9: game four, so I yeah, that's that's where my head's at.

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Speaker 9: It's it's nice we got another game.

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Speaker 2: Great.

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Speaker 4: Wow, So it sounds like you have accepted.

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Speaker 9: It's it's great for the book that we pushed the

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Speaker 9: series a little longer. We couldn't have two series and

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Speaker 9: in five games, so you know, we get a little

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01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 9: bit more next handle on these games. So we'll see

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Speaker 9: if we can get a Game seven for the book.

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Speaker 9: That would be tremendous. I think it'd be an awesome

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01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 9: handle to have on that game.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's kind of funny because you get this, you

1211
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 6: know this pacers not really showing up in game five.

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Speaker 6: Maybe they just really wanted to help you guys out

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Speaker 6: and get an extra game on the books.

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Speaker 3: In game six, you know they had no design.

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Speaker 9: I can see the conspiracy theorist. Now, the Books need

1216
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 9: the Knicks to win this series. The NBA wants the

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Speaker 9: nixt in the finals.

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Speaker 6: Here we go, like Vegas knows that's what we're here.

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Speaker 6: What does Vegas know for tonight? It does kind of

1220
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 6: seem like we've we've seen a pretty big move towards

1221
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 6: the under after a very low scoring Game five, we

1222
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 6: saw that big adjustment.

1223
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Speaker 3: The zig zag theory is in full of fact.

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Speaker 6: The Pacers now the biggest favorite they have been for

1225
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Speaker 6: any game in the series. Here in game six, I'm

1226
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Speaker 6: assuming you're seeing a lot of Knicks money.

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Speaker 3: That would be my guess.

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Speaker 9: You would think that I would have thought that. But

1229
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 9: it's a lot of money coming in on the spread

1230
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Speaker 9: for the Pacers sharps squares. I mean, a lot of

1231
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Speaker 9: people think they're going to get it done tonight, So

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Speaker 9: we'll see how that goes. I mean, a lot of

1233
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 9: money's coming in on the over for this game over

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01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 9: two twenty and a half. But definitely, you know, people

1235
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Speaker 9: really believe in it. Seems like every game this series

1236
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 9: it felt like we need the Knicks. I think the

1237
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 9: only time we needed the Pacers was Game two. But yeah,

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01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 9: it's not a lot of Knicks believers out there. I

1239
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 9: don't know if it's the lack of faith from Knicks

1240
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 9: fans or whatever. I mean, it's emotional hedging, but you know,

1241
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,760
Speaker 9: the Knicks money really hasn't come so far this series.

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Speaker 2: Now, now I'm.

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Speaker 8: Gonna ask you a question that's based on a thought

1244
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 8: that many have shared. The NBA needs the Knicks in

1245
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 8: the final. They need certain matchups to maximize ratings.

1246
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Speaker 2: Is that true for sports books?

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Speaker 8: Like, what's the handle gonna look like if it's the

1248
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 8: Pacers against OKAC versus the Knicks against okay see, or

1249
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 8: do you think that's going to even itself out because

1250
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,240
Speaker 8: there's just always generally interest in the finals.

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Speaker 9: I think that we're gonna be fine either way. On

1252
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 9: the handle. I still think, yeah, the Knicks would be

1253
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 9: a better handle, just because you know, there's just so

1254
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 9: many Knicks fans across the country. But you know, it

1255
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 9: is funny like everyone talks about, oh, if the NBA

1256
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 9: wants the Knicks, they need the next yet everyone keeps

1257
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 9: betting the Pacers in this game. I find it very strange.

1258
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Speaker 5: You know, Seamus Jared mentioned the zigzag approach, and there

1259
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 5: are a lot of betters that subscribe to that. Whatever

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01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 5: happens in one game, you bet the opposite to happen

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Speaker 5: in the next game, and there is a lot of success.

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01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 5: They all hat of great spots. But what have you

1263
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 5: seen in this series particular? Have you tended to see

1264
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 5: more zigzag bets or more like the trend is going

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01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 5: to continue bets.

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Speaker 9: Early in the series, it definitely felt like you saw

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Speaker 9: the zigzag, like Pacers money came in for game one,

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Speaker 9: and then you know game two, it's like, all right,

1269
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Speaker 9: well the Knicks have to have this game. They can't

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01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 9: go down too. So we saw some Knicks money come

1271
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Speaker 9: in Game two. It doesn't go next way. Game three,

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Speaker 9: everyone goes back when the Pacers they're back home nixt

1273
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,919
Speaker 9: one to it, and then since then it's just been

1274
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 9: all Pacers, which is funny considering the next ended up

1275
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 9: winning Game three, but you know, a crazy twenty point comeback.

1276
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 9: Pacers felt like the better team for most of that game.

1277
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 9: So yeah, it's definitely something I saw earlier in the series.

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01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 9: Now has just felt like mainly Pacers.

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Speaker 6: It's a good question Rich about the about the handle,

1280
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 6: because it's funny, you know, you watch a lot of

1281
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 6: these games and I think it really doesn't matter who's

1282
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 6: playing in the finals. I think you get these gamblers

1283
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 6: on board with these props and everything, and people are

1284
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 6: going to be betting it. Are we seeing the same

1285
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 6: in the NHL Seamus I know last year, right, we

1286
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 6: get the same exact matchup. There is a lot of

1287
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 6: fatigue you would think about an Oilers Panthers Stanley Cup Final. Personally,

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01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 6: I think it's fantastic. Last year series was incredible. You

1289
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 6: get a rematch of a Game seven that was a

1290
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 6: very low, tight, tight game everything you want an NHL

1291
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 6: Stanley Cup Final Game seven to be. And we get

1292
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 6: to run it back again this year and that was

1293
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 6: a wild series two three to h Florida and I

1294
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 6: haven't think came back and tied it up. Are you

1295
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 6: seeing any interest early on in the Stanley Cup Final,

1296
01:05:25,560 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 6: which is a rematch of course.

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Speaker 9: I mean we're still waiting for a lot of the

1298
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 9: real money to come in. It's slowly, maturely trickling in.

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01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 9: There might be some fatigue, and I wouldn't say it's

1300
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Speaker 9: with the Oilers, it's mainly the Panthers. I mean, this

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Speaker 9: is the third year in a row in the Cup final.

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01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 9: It's just weird. The NHL used to be the League

1303
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 9: of parody. Now it's like the same teams are in

1304
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,959
Speaker 9: the Final four every year now. But I do think

1305
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 9: with McDavid playing in it. You have the rematch. I

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01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 9: still think this will end up being one of the

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01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 9: more highest handles you've had in a Stanley Cup final.

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Speaker 8: Hey, Seamus, brian No came with this stat. Ten past seasons,

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Speaker 8: the top eight teams who chose in the draft have

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Speaker 8: had that team or one of those teams go to

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Speaker 8: the postseason. So again, eight teams or the teams that

1312
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Speaker 8: selected in the top eight of the draft over the

1313
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 8: past ten seasons, one of those teams.

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Speaker 2: Emerged as a playoff berth.

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Speaker 8: Now the top eight here is the Titans, the Jaguars,

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Speaker 8: the Giants, the Patriots, the Browns, the Raiders, the Jets,

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Speaker 8: the Panthers. We all sort of weighed in on this question.

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Speaker 8: Among those eight who we thought would make the playoffs,

1319
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 8: Patriots were a popular pick in this room. The Raiders

1320
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 8: got some love, even Carolina and the Jacksonville Jaguars got

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Speaker 8: to mention, which of those eight teams do you think

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Speaker 8: has the best route to the postseason this year?

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Speaker 9: Easiest answers The Patriots schedule falls beautifully for them. Year

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Speaker 9: two quarterback, great head coach, so that's definitely the play.

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Speaker 9: As the Pats, we've seen a lot of love for

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Speaker 9: the Panthers, uh, you know, whether it's over their win total,

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Speaker 9: uh make the playoffs. So they're definitely on people's radar.

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Speaker 9: Bryce Young looked a lot better after he got after

1329
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Speaker 9: he came back from being benched. Raiders is an interesting one.

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Speaker 9: That's definitely a liability. We've seen to make the playoffs,

1331
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Speaker 9: some Vegas money, some interesting money coming in on that.

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Speaker 9: But then it's you know, it's really tough. I don't

1333
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 9: see it with the Jetster Giants this year. Schedules aren't

1334
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Speaker 9: really friendly to them. I don't think the Jaguars are

1335
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Speaker 9: like a horrendous pick here, like if Trevor Lawrence is healthy,

1336
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 9: they can win some games in that AFC South Division.

1337
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Speaker 9: So I don't think the Jags are you know, anywhere

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Speaker 9: close to being out of this conversation.

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Speaker 5: All right, Samus, We've got one playoff game this weekend

1340
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 5: and then what you got a bunch of baseball, maybe

1341
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 5: some soccer? Where are you going for the seam of

1342
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 5: special this week?

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01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 9: It's the biggest soccer game of the year every year.

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01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 9: Today the Champions League Final in Munich, Germany. We're gonna

1345
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 9: go with you know, some decent odds on this one.

1346
01:08:07,080 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 9: We're gonna take inter Milan to win an extra time,

1347
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 9: not in a shootout, not in ninety minutes, in the

1348
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:17,559
Speaker 9: thirty minute extra time period. I think this is definitely

1349
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:21,800
Speaker 9: gonna finish a ninety minute draw, and if it goes there,

1350
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 9: intern is gonna have to win an extra time because

1351
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 9: PSG as one of the best penalty stoppers in the

1352
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 9: world with Gigi don Uma, so I like into they

1353
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 9: got a great defense this year. I'm going to take

1354
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 9: them to win in extra time. Great odds. You can

1355
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 9: get anywhere from thirteen to fifteen to one on this one.

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01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 3: Wow, this is wow record for the Shamus Special.

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01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 6: If this hits, we've got to come back next week

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01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 6: and do some kind of celebration for thirteen to one.

1359
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:52,440
Speaker 5: I think we should parlay it Seamous with the Pacers

1360
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 5: game six.

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01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 4: Right, that's great.

1362
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 9: I can't possibly touch this game tonight.

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01:08:58,400 --> 01:08:58,839
Speaker 2: Anything.

1364
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 9: I will bet Will was on that game.

1365
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 2: I just know it.

1366
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 6: Shamous text game last week during the Indy five hundred

1367
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 6: when he was enjoying his Indianapolis trip and he said

1368
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 6: nix and six and I think my response was, you're crazy.

1369
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 3: Enjoyed the win while it last. That's got how it's worked.

1370
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 9: Out the McGee boys painted the town the red after

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01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 9: that game. It was a great night.

1372
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 2: I'm glad there you go.

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01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 4: Very nice, all right, Seamus. I always appreciate you jumping

1374
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 4: on here. Good to visit with you.

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01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 9: Man.

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01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 4: Have a good day. We'll catch you soon.

1377
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 9: Thanks, guys, have a good one you too.

1378
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Speaker 5: There he is Seamus McGee, team lead of sports Trading

1379
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,679
Speaker 5: at bet MGM. You know it's funny, Jared, you mentioned

1380
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 5: puck to Seamus the Stanley Cup final. Now we have

1381
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 5: the matchup here, Edmonton taking on the Florida Panthers. You

1382
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 5: know what's crazy is I've heard NHL fans for years

1383
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 5: talk trash about the NBA playoffs, and they're.

1384
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 4: Like, oh, look at all these blowouts over here.

1385
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 5: If you want to see close games, gotta watch the

1386
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 5: NHL playoffs. And most of the time that's been true.

1387
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 5: You have gotten close games. You look at the postseason

1388
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 5: this year in the NHL, some of these stats are astounding.

1389
01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 5: So twenty of the last twenty two NHL playoff games

1390
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:15,639
Speaker 5: have been decided by at.

1391
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 4: Least two goals.

1392
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 5: Wow, And ten of the last eleven NHL playoff games

1393
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 5: have been decided by.

1394
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 4: At least three goals.

1395
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 5: It was beat down city in the conference finals, like

1396
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 5: both sides. Edmonton did Dallas dirty in the last four games,

1397
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,760
Speaker 5: been they were crushing them. They outscored them nineteen to

1398
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 5: five in the final four games there. So NHL fans

1399
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:41,200
Speaker 5: can't play that card this year of like, well you

1400
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,920
Speaker 5: want drama, you want close games, come watch our product

1401
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 5: over here.

1402
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:46,719
Speaker 4: It's like your product hasn't come through either.

1403
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 2: Agree.

1404
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 8: I'm so glad you made that comparison, because there have

1405
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 8: even been several hockey players, former players, analysts who have

1406
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,759
Speaker 8: made this point two saying, like, you know, the NBA

1407
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 8: should be ashamed of themselves, these players and all this stuff.

1408
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 8: And granted, I'm not saying the product is great. When

1409
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 8: you see a Western Conference team, you know, beat soundly

1410
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 8: in the first half and then show up with a

1411
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 8: lackluster effort in Game three where they get absolutely shelled

1412
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 8: and they start benching their starters in the fourth quarter

1413
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:29,000
Speaker 8: to save themselves for Game four, because hey, you know,

1414
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 8: if we give up game three after winning the first.

1415
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 2: Two, well we'll still seal this series in five.

1416
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 8: No big deal. That's not drama. That's that's awful. It's

1417
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 8: all awful for the viewer. However, it's amazing for the player.

1418
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 8: I mean, I again, I'm not I'm only strictly talking

1419
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 8: about the player.

1420
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:52,679
Speaker 2: This is through the lens of the player.

1421
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,600
Speaker 8: The player is still gonna get the same contract, the

1422
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 8: player is still going to get the same paycheck, the

1423
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 8: player is still going to potentially win a championship. And

1424
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 8: by the way, put less tread on his tire if

1425
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 8: or excuse me, take less tread off the tire. If

1426
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 8: he rests himself appropriately and doesn't avail himself to injury,

1427
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 8: if he if he has a coach who's willing to

1428
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 8: allow them to go out there and roll with basketball

1429
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 8: to the court in the second half.

1430
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 2: You know.

1431
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 8: So, I'm not saying it looks good. I'm not saying

1432
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 8: it makes for good basketball. I hate seven seven game

1433
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:31,640
Speaker 8: series because of this. I don't think there's enough urgency

1434
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 8: in the NBA postseason. But if you're looking at it

1435
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 8: strictly through the lens of do the least to get

1436
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 8: the most, it's human nature. It makes sense, and the

1437
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 8: fact that it hasn't infiltrated hockey yet is shocking to me.

1438
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 8: And maybe this is the bell weather, Maybe this is

1439
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 8: the carry in the coal mine. Maybe This is a

1440
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 8: sign of things to come, because if hockey players get

1441
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 8: hip to the same thing that NBA players have known

1442
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 8: for so long, which is you can get away with

1443
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 8: getting blown out in Game two or Game three or

1444
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 8: early in the series, especially when you have a couple

1445
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 8: game lead in a series and bounce back and win

1446
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 8: and sail through the rest of that postseason series. I

1447
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 8: think that I think that law of diminishing return for

1448
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 8: the fans may be coming to puck and it's not

1449
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:26,679
Speaker 8: a good thing for the sport, but it will be

1450
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 8: good for the player. Unfortunately for everybody who likes and

1451
01:13:31,160 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 8: enjoys watching hockey.

1452
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, I definitely think the style of play matters here too.

1453
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 3: And bear with me for a minute.

1454
01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 6: I think in prior years at least this is maybe

1455
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:50,520
Speaker 6: anecdotal for me, we haven't seen as many high octane

1456
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 6: offenses than we've seen today. It feels like today the

1457
01:13:55,240 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 6: McDavid's and the dry titles and these just insane talent levels.

1458
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 6: Like Colorado had a couple of teams like that during

1459
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 6: their run, where they're just so freaking good on offense.

1460
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:10,280
Speaker 6: It kind of goes against what you would think the

1461
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 6: NHL postseason style typically is which is grinded out, low

1462
01:14:14,680 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 6: scoring games. I mean a lot of these games are

1463
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 6: just flying over the totals, and when the games have

1464
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 6: more goals, well, eventually you're gonna see those goals skew

1465
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,599
Speaker 6: towards one side. So I think I agree with Richard's take.

1466
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 6: I do think it is maybe a little more gamesmanship.

1467
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,559
Speaker 6: Teams are kind of realizing, hey, let's rob you know,

1468
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 6: let's kind of you know, save our energy for later.

1469
01:14:35,160 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 6: But I also think the style of play in the

1470
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 6: NHL is evolving a little bit, just like the NBA. Right,

1471
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 6: more three point shots, Steph Curry generation, all that stuff.

1472
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 6: I think the more goals and the more high oc

1473
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 6: ten offenses you have, it kind of breeds to more blowouts.

1474
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think you can like both.

1475
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:55,639
Speaker 5: I don't know why we turn it into NBA versus

1476
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:58,599
Speaker 5: NHL playoffs and you gotta love one and just talk

1477
01:14:58,640 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 5: trash about the other.

1478
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:03,480
Speaker 4: Can love both, you know, Like I love the NBA playoffs.

1479
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 5: I dabble with the the NHL playoffs, but I watch

1480
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:10,440
Speaker 5: them and the the NHL playoffs are fantastic.

1481
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 4: But a lot of NHL fans have been very lippy.

1482
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 5: Over the years of like our sport is where the

1483
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:19,840
Speaker 5: close games are. It's like, not the conference finals. Man,

1484
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 5: we ain't had any that are within one goal, not

1485
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 5: one game. Most of them are three goals or more.

1486
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 5: So it's just kind of interesting. It played out this year,

1487
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 5: at least in the the conference finals. In the NBA

1488
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 5: game one of the Pacers Knicks was an all timer

1489
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 5: with the comeback and the Halliburton shot to force overtime.

1490
01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 5: And then Game three, Knicks are down big and come

1491
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:44,720
Speaker 5: all the way back and get a game they have

1492
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 5: to have. Like, you've had way more drama in the

1493
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:49,919
Speaker 5: NBA Conference Finals than the NHL.

1494
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:53,960
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Speaker 4: All ways, All right, let's dive into.

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Speaker 1: This prop It Up player plays.

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Speaker 5: Yes, the betting market. We start with you, Jared, what

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Speaker 5: is a prop that you like?

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Speaker 4: Sir?

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Speaker 6: Well, if the Knicks want to compete tonight, you gotta

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01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 6: have heart Josh Hart.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, that's my bad count of the day right there.

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Speaker 6: I think a lot of people are kind of prognosticating

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01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 6: that because the Knicks have changed their rotation where Mitchell

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01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 6: Robinson is now in the starting lineup, that Josh Hart

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01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 6: isn't as good of a bet in.

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Speaker 4: The prop market.

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01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 3: Well, he's still getting there's a lot min of minutes.

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01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 3: They're just coming at different times.

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Speaker 6: In fact, I would argue now that you have Robinson

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01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 6: and Towns starting the game together, when Josh Hart does

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01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 6: come off the bench and come into the game, usually

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01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 6: it's without one of those bigs on the floor, which

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01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:00,640
Speaker 6: is opening up more opportunities. I think on he had

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01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 6: a fantastic rebounding game last game. In fact, he's at

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01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 6: double digit rebounds in four of the five games in

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01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 6: this series. His rebounding number tonight is nine and a half.

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Speaker 6: I think that is a fair bet to the over.

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01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 3: I think his.

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01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:15,160
Speaker 6: Points, rebounds and assists number at twenty two and a

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01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 6: half also a fair bet to the over. Anything that

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01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 6: involves rebounds I think is an over for me With

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01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 6: Josh Hart today, I think he continues to get just

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01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 6: slightly undervalue because of that rotation.

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Speaker 3: Ship.

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01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:27,760
Speaker 6: But heart's still on the floor twenty and he is

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01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:30,240
Speaker 6: still stuff in the statue.

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Speaker 8: All right, live from the front seat of the car

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01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:36,799
Speaker 8: here parked in Palm Springs. I'm going with under seven

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01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 8: to three point attempts for Jalen Brunson tonight. Look, he's

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01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 8: most effective attacking the mid range and the paint. They

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01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 8: thrive when he's creating off the dribble as opposed to

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01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 8: setting up shop deep and trying to bomb away. He's

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01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,639
Speaker 8: been at seven or fewer three point attempts in all

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01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:58,240
Speaker 8: but one game so far in this series in the

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Speaker 8: Eastern Conference against the Pacers. So give me the under

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01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 8: seven three point attempts with Jaalen Brunson.

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Speaker 5: Interesting, Okay, I'm gonna go with og and Enobi. Give

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01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 5: me under four and a half rebounds now, he's gone

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01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 5: under this prop in all five games, under in all five.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 5: The fine print is the first two games his rebounds

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01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:25,559
Speaker 5: prop was at five and a half and in game

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01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 5: two he grabbed five rebounds, So I need him under

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Speaker 5: four and a half. So he's been under every single time.

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01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 5: But in game two, Game one it was one rebound higher.

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Speaker 5: The line was right. I hope I'm not confusing anyone here,

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Speaker 5: But I need under four and a half.

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Speaker 4: Why do I like that?

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01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 5: Well, you've got cat scooping up rebounds, you've got heart

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01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 5: pounding the glass, Mitchel Robinson is doing his thing, and

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01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 5: OJ plays out along the perimeter a lot. So I

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Speaker 5: like the trend to continue in OG Andnoby under four

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01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 5: and a half rebounds tonight in game six. I like

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Speaker 5: not everything is his zig za approach. You know, I

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01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,040
Speaker 5: love the zig zag approach. But every now and then

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01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 5: there's a trend that's so strong you just write it

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Speaker 5: on out.

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Speaker 4: I think that's what we have here all right.

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Speaker 5: Coming up next we get to an interesting narrative that

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Speaker 5: is changing. What is going on? Happy Saturday too. You

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Speaker 5: hope your day is going swimmingly well. Okay, so after

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01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 5: the worst teas in radio history, you might not have

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01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 5: understood or grasped what was coming up next exactly. I

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01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:38,759
Speaker 5: didn't even know what was coming up either, But Tyrese Haliburton,

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01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 5: this is what I'm trying to get to. Tyrese Halliburton

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Speaker 5: has been labeled over rated, and we'll get to the

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01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:50,800
Speaker 5: backstory in just a minute here, but this right here

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Speaker 5: is a potential reputation shifting game for Tyrese Haliburton. Right,

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01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 5: if you want the overrated talk to go away, he's

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01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:03,560
Speaker 5: kind of made it his slogan now, like the overrate

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Speaker 5: that there are T shirts.

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01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 4: Puma made T shirts with his logo. It's a whole thing.

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Speaker 5: If you want that reputation to go away, no player

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01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 5: wants to be known as overrated. It takes a good

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01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 5: performance on a stage like this Game six. He was

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01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 5: tremendous in Game four, thirty two points, fifteen rebounds, twelve

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01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, twelve rebounds, fifteen assists, zero turnovers. His first

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01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:31,160
Speaker 5: time ever in NBA Playoff history a player had a

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01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:35,480
Speaker 5: thirty point triple double with zero turnovers. He was outstanding

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01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 5: in game four. Last game Game five, not so outstanding.

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Speaker 5: Eight points, six assists, two rebounds, No made three pointers.

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Speaker 2: He didn't.

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01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:45,920
Speaker 4: He didn't bring it in game five.

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Speaker 5: So it's going to take a performance on this stage

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01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 5: for the overrated talk to really go away, because that's

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01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 5: what fuels it is. Halliburton might have a great game

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01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:57,639
Speaker 5: and then the next game he's a no show.

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Speaker 4: He just doesn't. He doesn't bring it.

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01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 5: And so I want to say, if it's a good

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01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:04,639
Speaker 5: zigzag spot for him, he might look a whole lot better.

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01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 5: I would expect that, but the inconsistency is fueling to

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01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 5: talk about him being overrated. There's no doubt about that,

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01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 5: and for that to go away, it takes a great

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01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:15,000
Speaker 5: performance on a big stage like this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that.

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Speaker 8: Look, I mean fair or not when we're talking about

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01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:26,719
Speaker 8: when we're talking about opinions, facts don't matter necessarily because

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01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:33,640
Speaker 8: sometimes feelings are feelings are valued over facts when it

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01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 8: comes to debate, when it comes to the things you like.

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01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 8: I mean, you know, deciding or determining whether or not

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01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:47,600
Speaker 8: Tyrese Haliburton is overrated or underrated or rated appropriately is

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01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 8: like having the conversation about why vanilla ice cream is

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01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 8: the best flavor, you know what I mean. It's like, okay,

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01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 8: everybody can weigh in on that, and you're going to

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01:22:59,400 --> 01:23:04,760
Speaker 8: have potent, eventually hundreds of different opinions or angles to

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01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:13,719
Speaker 8: dissect that one very relatively uncontroversial topic. In this case, Look,

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01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 8: what he needs to do is not what he did

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01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 8: in Game five.

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Speaker 2: You just can't score eight points. You can't. You just

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01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:21,880
Speaker 2: can't do it.

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01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 8: At no point during the conference tournament, it's already happened.

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01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 2: And so you.

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01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:31,759
Speaker 8: Got to have that zigzag or that bounce back where

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01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 8: you get off the schneid and you do what he's

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01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 8: done for the majority of this series, or I should

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01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:40,839
Speaker 8: say these playoffs, which is score more than twenty points.

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01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 8: And I gave you that stat earlier, and it's germane

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01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 8: to this conversation. Again, the Pacers all season long are

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01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 8: thirty and three when he scores more than twenty points,

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01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:56,000
Speaker 8: and so he's got to do tyrese Haliburt things in

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01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 8: order for the Pacers to have success. The Pacers' success,

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01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 8: it's linked to whether or not he's having an effective

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01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:08,799
Speaker 8: shooting night, whether or not he is getting around the defense,

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01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:11,519
Speaker 8: whether or not he's getting open looks from the defense,

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01:24:11,680 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 8: or they are offensively in their half court sets generating

1654
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 8: those open looks, or he's creating off the dribble. It

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01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 8: comes down to his success whether or not the Pacers

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01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:25,839
Speaker 8: ultimately will have success.

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01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:29,639
Speaker 2: So you know, kind of in agreement with what you're saying, Brian.

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01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 8: If he doesn't do it here in game six and

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01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 8: you swing the door open wide enough for the series

1660
01:24:36,280 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 8: to go even for the New York Knicks in game seven, Man,

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01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 8: you're missing out on a crazy good opportunity here to

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01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:46,920
Speaker 8: start cementing a legacy.

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01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:48,320
Speaker 2: What do you think is.

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01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 3: More important for Haliburton?

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01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 6: And I'll open this up to you guys, because I

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01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:57,920
Speaker 6: don't honestly know the answer. Is him scoring more important

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01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:01,240
Speaker 6: or creating for others? More Like, when you think of

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01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 6: Tyres Halliburton's game, his best game of the series was

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01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 6: obviously Game one, the one that went Actually no, maybe

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01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 6: you can make the case for Game four as well

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01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:10,680
Speaker 6: when you have thirty two and fifteen, But obviously the

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01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 6: game one shot that went up and over the ram

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01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:17,280
Speaker 6: and back down. But he also had eleven assists in

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01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 6: that game. He had eleven assists in Game two on

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01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:21,800
Speaker 6: the road, and then he had the big game thirty two,

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01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:24,640
Speaker 6: fifteen and twelve, the triple double. Obviously that's really his

1677
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:28,559
Speaker 6: best game of the series. But do you think, for example,

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01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:32,680
Speaker 6: if he scores eight points tonight but as eighteen assists, like,

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01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:35,600
Speaker 6: I think that's a path to victory for Indiana. Like,

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01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 6: what's more important for the Pacers offense? Is it him

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01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:39,479
Speaker 6: scoring or is it him creating?

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01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 4: Well, I would.

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01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 5: Answer it, hopefully not in a ridiculously complex and long

1684
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:51,599
Speaker 5: winded way, but I think it's him creating for others.

1685
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 4: But here's the catch.

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01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 5: It's that to fuel his offense because he's not a

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01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 5: natural scorer. He's not an aggressive, I'm gonna get mine

1688
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 5: type score, or it's the role players when he sets

1689
01:26:04,160 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 5: the table for them, they need to help set the

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01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 5: table for him by scoring. If they're scoring, if they're

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01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:12,679
Speaker 5: hitting open shots that he creates for them, that opens

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01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:15,240
Speaker 5: up his offense, you know what I mean. So he's

1693
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:18,479
Speaker 5: not a Derrick Rose type scorer with the bulls, where

1694
01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:20,599
Speaker 5: it's like I'm gonna get mine, I'm gonnattack the rim,

1695
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be aggressive. That's not what he does in

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01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 5: terms of looking for his shot consistently. But when the

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01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 5: role players, when he sets the table and they're hitting

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01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:31,760
Speaker 5: those shots, then all of a sudden, it opens things

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01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:35,120
Speaker 5: up more for his own offense. So I think it's creating,

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01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 5: but it's also those role players coming through when he

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01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 5: sets the table for them, because that's what really gets

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01:26:40,840 --> 01:26:41,759
Speaker 5: his offense going.

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01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:45,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, I know this kind of feels like

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01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 8: a cop out, Jared, and it's a really good question,

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01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 8: but I think if in general, actually I'm gonna answer

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01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 8: it in general first, and I'm gonna say, creating for

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01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:57,599
Speaker 8: himself is probably what's best for the Pacers because again,

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01:26:57,680 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 8: when Halburton needs the Indiana Pacers eat, But in game six,

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01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 8: whatever gets you the W because Game seven at MSG

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01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 8: is going to be bananas. You can't do it. It's gonna

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01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 8: be electric. You can't do it, you know.

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01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 2: So, yeah, you have to find a way to win

1713
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 2: game six.

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01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,720
Speaker 8: So if they are shutting down every avenue and opportunity

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01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 8: for Tyrese Halburton in game in game six, then find

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01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 8: the open score, you know, create for someone else, create

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01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 8: for multiple teammates, because yeah, you have to win this

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01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 8: game because you do not want to see what game

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01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:38,720
Speaker 8: seven holds for you.

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01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 3: Beautiful.

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01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:43,160
Speaker 6: That was two fantastic answers, and I guess now I'm

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01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 6: gonna be the inquisitor one more time because I had

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01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 6: this debate yesterday on a different show, and I'll bring

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01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 6: it to this crowd as well, because I think the

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01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:54,120
Speaker 6: two of you would like to chew into this. Obviously,

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01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 6: the Knicks are in a must win, so motivation, right,

1727
01:27:57,600 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 6: we talked about who's the more motivated team. I'm not

1728
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:03,919
Speaker 6: debating that the Knicks are incredibly motivated at the utmost

1729
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 6: degree to not get eliminated from the postseason.

1730
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 3: But I do think.

1731
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:11,559
Speaker 6: There is an angle where the Pacers might be a

1732
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:14,640
Speaker 6: little bit I don't want to say more motivated, But

1733
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 6: if you lose this game tonight, to me, like that

1734
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:23,840
Speaker 6: is the series. And I know you can still win

1735
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 6: Game seven on the road, and they've gone on the

1736
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 6: road and they've won two games in this series. But

1737
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 6: everything speaks to if the Pacers start tight, a little

1738
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:35,639
Speaker 6: bit nervy like they did in Game five, and things

1739
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 6: start to snowball, and all of a sudden their backs

1740
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 6: are against the wall, I do think there is a

1741
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 6: little bit more pressure on Indiana to perform early in

1742
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,599
Speaker 6: this game tonight, because if all of a sudden things

1743
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 6: start unraveling like they did in Game five, I think

1744
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:53,840
Speaker 6: that's where the demons start to creep in. Oh man,

1745
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:56,639
Speaker 6: Like we're up three to one in the series. Now

1746
01:28:56,640 --> 01:28:58,880
Speaker 6: it's three to two. We're not doing well in game six,

1747
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:00,280
Speaker 6: and we got to go back to the guard garden

1748
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:02,639
Speaker 6: for Game seven. Like that is not a good mindset

1749
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:05,840
Speaker 6: to be in. So while obviously the Knicks lose, go home,

1750
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 6: is it fair to say the Pacers have more pressure tonight.

1751
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 2: It's it's I would I.

1752
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 4: Think there's something to it.

1753
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:16,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I.

1754
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 4: Think there's something to it.

1755
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:21,120
Speaker 5: But I don't think it's automatically a bad thing, right where.

1756
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 5: I think a lot of times we think, oh, the

1757
01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 5: pressure is on this team, like, oh bad. I would

1758
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:28,880
Speaker 5: argue you go back to Game five, a lack of

1759
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:31,680
Speaker 5: pressure for the Pacers. They didn't handle that well. That's

1760
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 5: why Pascal Siyakam at the end of that is like, yeah,

1761
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:37,760
Speaker 5: they played harder than us. It's like, well, because you

1762
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 5: it wasn't an elimination game, you know, and they didn't

1763
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:44,000
Speaker 5: handle it well. It was an immature approach to Game

1764
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 5: five for the Pacers. And I agree, like if they're

1765
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:49,800
Speaker 5: down in the first half, if it's a fourth quarter

1766
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 5: game and they're trailing, and maybe they start thinking, man,

1767
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 5: if we don't pull this out, we got to go

1768
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:55,719
Speaker 5: to the garden for Game seven.

1769
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:56,639
Speaker 4: That's real pressure.

1770
01:29:57,439 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 5: But sometimes that can be beneficial. It's not always like

1771
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 5: a tight sphincter syndrome and they buckle and having the

1772
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 5: pressure to go out there and perform right and avoid

1773
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:10,600
Speaker 5: the garden, that can actually be a good thing for

1774
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 5: the Pacers.

1775
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 2: It's fair. Yeah, yeah, you know I think that.

1776
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 8: I think that in certain spots, you build up moments

1777
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:23,880
Speaker 8: too much, you know what I mean. And it's possible

1778
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:26,479
Speaker 8: that the Pacers could look at Game six the same

1779
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:29,479
Speaker 8: way you're looking at it, Jared, and thinking, we got

1780
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 8: to win this game, otherwise this series is over.

1781
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:33,559
Speaker 2: And if they're.

1782
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:37,840
Speaker 8: Doing that and they're using the sort of hey, it's

1783
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 8: all or nothing mentality, it just it just depends on

1784
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 8: how they're built emotionally and mentally can they handle that

1785
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 8: level of pressure. And I guess that kind of ties

1786
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 8: in nicely to what we were talking about with Tyre's Halliburton.

1787
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:57,479
Speaker 8: If you want to dispel myths that you're overrated or

1788
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 8: that you're the type of player that you know that

1789
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:03,920
Speaker 8: you can get gaudy stats and you can bring a

1790
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:06,720
Speaker 8: team to the postseason, but you can't really win the

1791
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:10,759
Speaker 8: chip Man. These are the moments you gotta step up big.

1792
01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 8: And sometimes it's not only your fault. Sometimes your leadership

1793
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:16,519
Speaker 8: is there and your gameplay is there, you know, and

1794
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:20,200
Speaker 8: the team lets you down. And you know, that's part

1795
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:23,360
Speaker 8: of playing team sports is sometimes you can bring your

1796
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:26,439
Speaker 8: A game and everybody else brings a B or C

1797
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 8: level game, and you know, you gotta roll with those

1798
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 8: punches too.

1799
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 2: But I would say for the Pacers overall.

1800
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:39,960
Speaker 8: I think the mentality that's it's winning six or lose

1801
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 8: is probably the right mentality to go into this game

1802
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:47,760
Speaker 8: with because I don't really see it any other way.

1803
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:48,519
Speaker 2: I think if you.

1804
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:52,599
Speaker 8: Give Tibbs more opportunity to plan against him, he kind

1805
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:56,479
Speaker 8: of discovered something in Game five with his rotation, Towns

1806
01:31:56,520 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 8: got into foul trouble. Mitchell goes in there, they're fouling

1807
01:31:59,880 --> 01:32:02,559
Speaker 8: the absolute dog out of him because he can't shoot

1808
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:06,200
Speaker 8: free throws, and then he gets to oh, what's his name.

1809
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:09,639
Speaker 2: Precious a Chewa, And you know, like he.

1810
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:12,719
Speaker 8: Was rolling bigs through and that fresh legs in the paint,

1811
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:15,440
Speaker 8: and that was helping the Knicks defensively.

1812
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 2: I think, I.

1813
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:19,880
Speaker 8: Think when you look at I think, when you look

1814
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 8: at this series, the Pacers really need to knock this

1815
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:27,599
Speaker 8: thing up. Otherwise I could spell doom.

1816
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's definitely a lack of I don't know what

1817
01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 6: it is, Carl, Yeah, go ahead, Brian, Yeah, there.

1818
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:37,880
Speaker 4: Was no doubt that Karl Anthony town stupid files. I

1819
01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:40,000
Speaker 4: don't understand. I don't know what, I don't know.

1820
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 2: What he's doing.

1821
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:43,879
Speaker 5: He's gotta stop him, man, there are good playoff files

1822
01:32:44,520 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 5: and there are just dude, this doesn't help us at

1823
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 5: all type files. And Kat has been guilty numerous times

1824
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:54,280
Speaker 5: in this series of committing those type of files.

1825
01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:55,200
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what.

1826
01:32:55,920 --> 01:33:01,400
Speaker 5: In terms of Halliburton, the overrate that logan is cool, right,

1827
01:33:01,439 --> 01:33:05,600
Speaker 5: he was named most overrated by NBA players and so

1828
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:08,919
Speaker 5: he overrated that, right, And it's become a whole slogan.

1829
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 5: That's cool, but the story behind it not as cool.

1830
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:17,400
Speaker 5: So this goes back to an athletic like a poll here, right,

1831
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:20,640
Speaker 5: NBA players were polled by the athletic. They're trying to

1832
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:23,839
Speaker 5: find the most overrated player in the league. The athletic

1833
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:28,559
Speaker 5: got ninety responses and only thirteen players ended up voting

1834
01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 5: for Halliburton, you know. So without knowing that, it seems

1835
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:34,480
Speaker 5: like man, his peers have said he's the most overrated

1836
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:39,000
Speaker 5: the NBA players as a whole, they say Haliburton is

1837
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:40,599
Speaker 5: the guy, he's the overrated guy.

1838
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:43,360
Speaker 4: And it turns out there are thirteen dudes.

1839
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 5: That's that said that, right, And of those thirteen, some

1840
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 5: of them might have been like overrated. I don't know Haliburton,

1841
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:56,360
Speaker 5: you know, So the slogan seems a lot cooler than

1842
01:33:57,360 --> 01:33:59,639
Speaker 5: there are. The story isn't as cool as the slogan

1843
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:05,280
Speaker 5: might indicate, but he's taken that and run and to

1844
01:34:05,400 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 5: Really I'll put it this way though, we struggle with

1845
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:10,400
Speaker 5: the overrated thing all the time. To be a candidate,

1846
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:13,479
Speaker 5: to be overrated, people far and wide have to be

1847
01:34:13,560 --> 01:34:14,640
Speaker 5: singing your praises.

1848
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:19,720
Speaker 4: Does anyone do that with Halliburton? It's really like if

1849
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:22,200
Speaker 4: we're having discussions and it's say, like, hey, who's the

1850
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:24,600
Speaker 4: top point guard in the NBA peoplar as, Oh, Halliburton.

1851
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:29,320
Speaker 5: Halliburton's unbelievable. This guy table said extraordinary play. Who's saying that?

1852
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:32,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a weird thing. Brian, I agree with that it.

1853
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:36,280
Speaker 8: Overrated is a tough conversation to have when it comes

1854
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:40,080
Speaker 8: to a name that doesn't that hasn't cut through in

1855
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:43,880
Speaker 8: a major way until this postseason. Like, I mean, he's

1856
01:34:43,960 --> 01:34:46,559
Speaker 8: really done some special things for the Pacers, and there's

1857
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:49,439
Speaker 8: no question that over his career as an NBA star

1858
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:53,160
Speaker 8: a player, his star has shined brighter at different times

1859
01:34:53,200 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 8: than others. But yeah, I think in terms of a

1860
01:34:57,000 --> 01:35:00,280
Speaker 8: name that's at the tippy top of the zeitgeist, I

1861
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:04,280
Speaker 8: mean overrated, we're gonna be talking about a guy coming

1862
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 8: up in just a little bit here who I would

1863
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:10,639
Speaker 8: argue is highly overrated, you know, based on his production

1864
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:15,040
Speaker 8: in the NBA, you know, like Haliburton. You know, you

1865
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:18,200
Speaker 8: could probably swing that door the opposite way and say

1866
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:20,960
Speaker 8: that there's a potential argument that he's underrated.

1867
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:24,599
Speaker 6: I'll be honest, I hope at some point to ascend

1868
01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:27,880
Speaker 6: in my life to a place where people call me overrated,

1869
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:31,920
Speaker 6: because that means that people are you sure, yeah, right,

1870
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 6: Like that means people are interested, right, That means that

1871
01:35:34,439 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 6: I've caught the attention of someone. I speak about this

1872
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:40,719
Speaker 6: a lot when it comes to taking criticism, like and

1873
01:35:40,720 --> 01:35:43,080
Speaker 6: and I've changed my tune on this over the years,

1874
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:47,280
Speaker 6: back when I was younger and much softer, hardened over time.

1875
01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:50,920
Speaker 6: Wisdom age certainly doesn't there you go, but you know,

1876
01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:52,560
Speaker 6: when you work in this public field, you're going to

1877
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:56,040
Speaker 6: take criticism. And I was very against like, you know,

1878
01:35:56,080 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 6: there's a little whiny baby about when someone criticized me

1879
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 6: about what I say on the air, And then I

1880
01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:04,120
Speaker 6: realized it was a couple of years ago. It dawned

1881
01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:05,880
Speaker 6: on me he was doing this show, and you know,

1882
01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:07,800
Speaker 6: kind of the more you're out there. The more you know,

1883
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:10,880
Speaker 6: your opinions get questioned. And I realized, wait a minute,

1884
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:14,200
Speaker 6: my entire job is criticizing other people. So who am

1885
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:17,040
Speaker 6: I to not be able to take that criticism. I

1886
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 6: think it's different in the athletic world when you're talking

1887
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 6: about the athletes, and which I'm sure you're dealt with

1888
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:25,120
Speaker 6: this for years, especially in a market like New England,

1889
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:27,519
Speaker 6: if fans will be like, this is Ornberger guy, He's terrible.

1890
01:36:27,800 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 6: Like your job, though, is not to criticize other people.

1891
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:35,080
Speaker 6: Your job is to play football. Tyreese's job has played basketball.

1892
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:38,120
Speaker 6: It's our job to analyze. I think we get to

1893
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:41,400
Speaker 6: this certain point where we overanalyze situations, right.

1894
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:43,120
Speaker 3: We do it as fodder. We do it just for.

1895
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:48,840
Speaker 6: Content and the over hyped, overrated argument. It's kind of

1896
01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:52,360
Speaker 6: a weird compliment in a sense. It means you've ascended

1897
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 6: to a point where we now have to bring you

1898
01:36:56,120 --> 01:36:58,760
Speaker 6: down to a level that all the regular athletes are

1899
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:01,519
Speaker 6: at because you've gotten all the way up here. And

1900
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:03,760
Speaker 6: it is and I know it's hard for like a

1901
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:05,960
Speaker 6: twenty five year old to kind of see that, just

1902
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:08,040
Speaker 6: like when I was younger and I hated getting criticism,

1903
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:08,920
Speaker 6: but then you kind.

1904
01:37:08,720 --> 01:37:10,280
Speaker 3: Of see the forest through the trees.

1905
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:12,479
Speaker 6: You realize, wait a minute, this is kind of a

1906
01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:15,759
Speaker 6: backhanded compliment because they wouldn't be talking about me, period

1907
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 6: unless I had reached a certain level where I need

1908
01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:20,280
Speaker 6: to be rated at a certain way.

1909
01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:22,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1910
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:26,760
Speaker 5: No, it's fair, and it's at least a partial compliment

1911
01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:29,960
Speaker 5: if someone says you're overrated, because that means you're highly

1912
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:34,519
Speaker 5: rated to begin with many for probably some legitimate reasons. Yeah,

1913
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:38,120
Speaker 5: are we got Rich hoorn Berger, he's overrated, men state

1914
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:38,759
Speaker 5: all American.

1915
01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:43,880
Speaker 4: But you know no, Jared Smith highly overrated.

1916
01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:46,640
Speaker 3: Oh that is no question about.

1917
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:54,160
Speaker 5: For I know, the epitome of overrated. Definitely hanging out

1918
01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:56,960
Speaker 5: with you guys. All right, it's time for.

1919
01:37:56,880 --> 01:37:59,000
Speaker 4: The tire rack play of the day. Let's do that

1920
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:02,559
Speaker 4: you find out now, show, Hey hits.

1921
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:05,919
Speaker 2: It a mile high into the air way back all right.

1922
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:08,840
Speaker 4: Haroon, Judge at the wall, he leaps.

1923
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:12,479
Speaker 1: He cannot bring that one back. Show Hey old Tani

1924
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:13,759
Speaker 1: with his second of the game.

1925
01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:20,160
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1926
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:23,400
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1927
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Speaker 3: Yeah around, I've seen him there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Oh he's all about it. Yeah, no doubt.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So we've got a terrible answer and a tremendous answer,

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Speaker 5: which would you guys like first, huh.

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Speaker 2: Let's go w lead with the bad news.

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Speaker 4: There you go, that's the way to lead this up.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So we have a little bit more with Pascal Siakam.

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Speaker 5: You rewind to Game five Pacers lose and Siakam had

1960
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Speaker 5: this to say, they.

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Speaker 2: Played harder than us.

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Speaker 7: I think I think they play harder than us, you know,

1963
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:18,960
Speaker 7: and loose balls like rebounds like all that we got

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Speaker 7: to be able to win a battle.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 5: So right after that question, there's a reporter that says,

1967
01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:27,479
Speaker 5: how is that a thing? How can you say they

1968
01:40:27,479 --> 01:40:31,519
Speaker 5: played harder? And so it's a communication breakdown. Crazy this

1969
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:36,320
Speaker 5: happens with men, you know, it's wild. But Sakam thinks

1970
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:39,479
Speaker 5: the reporter is like, no way, you guys played way harder.

1971
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:42,320
Speaker 4: When the reporter is asking, how is that a thing?

1972
01:40:42,760 --> 01:40:43,799
Speaker 4: How can you say?

1973
01:40:44,479 --> 01:40:46,840
Speaker 5: After any game that the other team just outplayed, that

1974
01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:47,920
Speaker 5: played harder than you.

1975
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Speaker 4: So listen to this. It's a terrible back and forth,

1976
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:54,160
Speaker 4: but it's entertaining. Nevertheless, how is.

1977
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Speaker 8: That how.

1978
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:01,760
Speaker 7: He's talking about they played harder than us? It's okay,

1979
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:05,160
Speaker 7: we played hard, but they played harders. What's your point?

1980
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Speaker 7: I don't get it. That happens in a game doing

1981
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:10,320
Speaker 7: that's basketball.

1982
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Speaker 2: You're good.

1983
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Speaker 7: You're good, bro. You're looking for something I know, but

1984
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Speaker 7: damn no, no, But I'm telling you though I told

1985
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:23,479
Speaker 7: you what else you want me to tell you?

1986
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Speaker 2: What about you telling me? Let's go ahead. Who's this guy?

1987
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Speaker 2: Who's this guy? What's your name?

1988
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Speaker 7: Bro?

1989
01:41:34,280 --> 01:41:34,439
Speaker 2: Oh?

1990
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Speaker 5: That's freaking brutal. That's painful, but somehow entertaining. It's the

1991
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Speaker 5: car crash that you have to look at as you

1992
01:41:42,720 --> 01:41:45,800
Speaker 5: pass by, you know, like, uh, but we get it right.

1993
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Speaker 5: He doesn't understand the question. It's basically the reporters like,

1994
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Speaker 5: how can that be a thing? You got a trip

1995
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:56,760
Speaker 5: to the finals right there, and you after a game,

1996
01:41:56,800 --> 01:41:58,080
Speaker 5: you're like, they just outplayed us.

1997
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Speaker 4: That's it. So that's what the reporter is asking.

1998
01:42:01,400 --> 01:42:04,200
Speaker 5: But Siakam he didn't understand what he was going for

1999
01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:07,040
Speaker 5: right there, and then you get what you got, which

2000
01:42:07,080 --> 01:42:07,479
Speaker 5: was rough.

2001
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Speaker 2: I I really I don't.

2002
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Speaker 8: I don't understand the line of questioning either, to be honest,

2003
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:17,280
Speaker 8: like I you know, I guess you could.

2004
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Speaker 2: Say, how did you get out outplayed?

2005
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Speaker 8: And you know, and his follow up to that question is, well,

2006
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:27,200
Speaker 8: they they played harder. We played hard, but they played harder.

2007
01:42:27,240 --> 01:42:29,960
Speaker 8: And that's that's his opinion. And you either got to

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Speaker 8: respect his opinion and respect how he decided to answer

2009
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Speaker 8: that question and move on, or.

2010
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Speaker 2: Don't write the part of the column.

2011
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Speaker 8: Greg Doyle of Indie Starr that you want to write,

2012
01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:46,519
Speaker 8: you know what I mean, like, maybe maybe that's a

2013
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:49,080
Speaker 8: little factoid that you're gonna have to leave out it.

2014
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:55,000
Speaker 8: To me, sometimes you have writers and reporters who are

2015
01:42:55,240 --> 01:42:59,200
Speaker 8: writing and reporting what they see here and experience, and

2016
01:42:59,320 --> 01:43:02,040
Speaker 8: sometimes they they've already written the piece in their head

2017
01:43:02,600 --> 01:43:07,960
Speaker 8: and they're looking for the missing quote or the missing

2018
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Speaker 8: factor or the missing.

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01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:14,400
Speaker 2: Attribution that they need to finish it.

2020
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Speaker 8: And I this kind of I don't know, the way

2021
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 8: this stinks to me is that column was written and

2022
01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:22,800
Speaker 8: he was looking for a quote that fit that column

2023
01:43:23,240 --> 01:43:27,080
Speaker 8: and it couldn't get out of Siakam and so I

2024
01:43:27,120 --> 01:43:30,080
Speaker 8: guess better luck after Game six, Greg.

2025
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Speaker 6: Wait a minute, is this the same Greg Doyle that

2026
01:43:36,520 --> 01:43:39,560
Speaker 6: made that really weird comment to Caitlin.

2027
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Speaker 4: Clark after that? That is the same guy got drafted.

2028
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Speaker 6: By the Indiana Fever and then got suspended and got

2029
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:47,840
Speaker 6: banned from covering the Indiana Fever.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean, listen, I don't know Greg personally. I don't

2032
01:43:53,479 --> 01:43:55,960
Speaker 6: know if he's a good reporter outside of what I've

2033
01:43:56,000 --> 01:44:00,719
Speaker 6: read based off of that incident. But maybe we maybe

2034
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:03,599
Speaker 6: he should not you know, maybe we should stop allowing

2035
01:44:03,680 --> 01:44:06,280
Speaker 6: him to ask questions to athletes if these is the

2036
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:08,200
Speaker 6: line of question. I mean, it happens all the time

2037
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Speaker 6: in sports. People get out played. It happens all the

2038
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:16,240
Speaker 6: fricking time, Greg, You've covered sports for how long. Some

2039
01:44:16,280 --> 01:44:19,040
Speaker 6: teams just don't have it. They're human beings. They show up,

2040
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:22,919
Speaker 6: they realize that this team has got the better whatever

2041
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:27,639
Speaker 6: that day, the vibe, the energy, they have, the gambling

2042
01:44:27,720 --> 01:44:28,639
Speaker 6: gods on their side.

2043
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Speaker 3: Like I watch baseball.

2044
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Speaker 6: Sometimes this happens in baseball all the time, and you

2045
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Speaker 6: handicap a pitcher like let's take Trek Schouble for example.

2046
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Speaker 3: He's pitching today.

2047
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Speaker 6: By the way, maybe you'll hear his name a little

2048
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Speaker 6: later in Rapid Fire, and the numbers say, Scooble's an

2049
01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:48,320
Speaker 6: ace man. He's got the best stuff in the world.

2050
01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:51,800
Speaker 6: And last night he had some bad sushi last night.

2051
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:54,160
Speaker 6: He didn't get a good night's sleep. Last night he

2052
01:44:54,240 --> 01:44:56,960
Speaker 6: was arguing with his girlfriend. I don't know, throwing any

2053
01:44:57,200 --> 01:45:00,960
Speaker 6: random reason that human beings exist in the world and

2054
01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:03,679
Speaker 6: things happen. You show up the next day to work,

2055
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Speaker 6: just like we all show up to work. Just happens

2056
01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:08,680
Speaker 6: to be that professional athletes do it in front of

2057
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Speaker 6: cameras and thousands of people, millions of on TV, and

2058
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Speaker 6: you just don't have it. The other team is better.

2059
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Speaker 6: The approach by the hitters on the other team. Turik's

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Speaker 6: Google's fastball is not fast enough today, it's not curving

2061
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Speaker 6: on the curve ball like I don't know, and it's inexplicable.

2062
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:31,800
Speaker 6: It's just human element of sports. And when you get

2063
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:34,679
Speaker 6: asked about it after the game, I feel I always

2064
01:45:34,720 --> 01:45:37,400
Speaker 6: say that the hardest thing that these athletes have to

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Speaker 6: deal with sometimes on a daily basis, is going there

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Speaker 6: and pouring their heart and soul their job and then

2067
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Speaker 6: having to answer about it, sometimes literally right after the

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Speaker 6: game ends. Game ends, microphone in your face, like you

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Speaker 6: just got off the field or the court from a battle,

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Speaker 6: a war, and you're being asked to be civilized and

2071
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Speaker 6: give in depth intellectual answers about why things happen the

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Speaker 6: way that they did. And sometimes there really is no explanation.

2073
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Speaker 2: It's just sports.

2074
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Speaker 3: It's random, it's human.

2075
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Speaker 6: Continuing to press with this line of questioning I thought

2076
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Speaker 6: was really off base.

2077
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Speaker 5: I I'm completely on the opposite side of you, guys.

2078
01:46:18,320 --> 01:46:20,280
Speaker 5: I'll tell you exactly what it's happening here.

2079
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Speaker 4: What is happening.

2080
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Speaker 5: It's not about goofy Greg Doyle and weird questions in

2081
01:46:25,240 --> 01:46:27,960
Speaker 5: his past with Caitlin Clark and he's being weird goofy

2082
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:28,559
Speaker 5: Greg Doyle.

2083
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Speaker 4: Again, that's not what's happening here. And Richie, he might

2084
01:46:31,720 --> 01:46:34,400
Speaker 4: have had a column in mind and he's looking for

2085
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Speaker 4: a sound bite, and that doesn't mean he's setting a

2086
01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:40,599
Speaker 4: bear trap. What this is and I've done this many times.

2087
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Speaker 5: You'll ask a question that you think is clear and

2088
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Speaker 5: the athlete, the coach is clearly going to understand what

2089
01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:50,160
Speaker 5: you're asking, and then they start to answer it and

2090
01:46:50,160 --> 01:46:53,800
Speaker 5: you're like, holy cow, I didn't do a good enough

2091
01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:58,559
Speaker 5: job presenting the question where it's indisputable, there's no doubt

2092
01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:01,320
Speaker 5: this is what I'm asking. I'm asking about this, and

2093
01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:04,679
Speaker 5: he thinks I'm asking about that, And that's what happened

2094
01:47:04,760 --> 01:47:07,880
Speaker 5: right there. That's a legitimate question. Is I had the

2095
01:47:07,880 --> 01:47:11,600
Speaker 5: same question. How can a team after a game with

2096
01:47:11,680 --> 01:47:14,680
Speaker 5: a finals trip on the line, how can they just

2097
01:47:14,720 --> 01:47:16,799
Speaker 5: be like, yeah, we got out played, we got out worked.

2098
01:47:17,080 --> 01:47:21,040
Speaker 5: How can that be a thing? And so what he

2099
01:47:21,080 --> 01:47:23,000
Speaker 5: should have done was be a little bit more clear

2100
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Speaker 5: about what he was going for, Like, Hey, Pascal, how

2101
01:47:26,120 --> 01:47:28,920
Speaker 5: is that a thing? What's the reason for that you

2102
01:47:28,920 --> 01:47:30,840
Speaker 5: guys getting out played? Is it because you had a

2103
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:33,200
Speaker 5: three to one lead and this is a do or

2104
01:47:33,320 --> 01:47:34,439
Speaker 5: die game for the Knicks?

2105
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Speaker 4: Is that why?

2106
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:39,160
Speaker 5: Like what led to that? That's the only crime here

2107
01:47:39,240 --> 01:47:42,880
Speaker 5: is that it wasn't clear enough, and Siakam didn't understand

2108
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:45,519
Speaker 5: the question. Yeah, it seems obvious if you know what

2109
01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:49,160
Speaker 5: you're asking. But for someone hearing the question, Pascal thought

2110
01:47:49,160 --> 01:47:50,719
Speaker 5: he was going for something that he wasn't.

2111
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Speaker 4: That's really what happened here. Just the communication breakdown.

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Speaker 8: I'm with you, And so it's incumbent upon the reporter

2113
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Speaker 8: who works in the media, whose job is to ask

2114
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Speaker 8: questions to get that right now, I get what you're saying,

2115
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Speaker 8: and I've been there too, have obviously been on both

2116
01:48:07,479 --> 01:48:10,320
Speaker 8: sides of this, as an athlete answering the questions and

2117
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Speaker 8: as the interviewer asking the questions. And there are times

2118
01:48:14,200 --> 01:48:17,160
Speaker 8: where you know, the toothpaste is out of the tube.

2119
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Speaker 8: I've asked the question, the answer is going in a

2120
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Speaker 8: different direction than I've I thought.

2121
01:48:22,439 --> 01:48:25,880
Speaker 2: But I also know the onus is on me as the.

2122
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Speaker 8: Broadcaster, to effectively convey the you know, the question, the

2123
01:48:32,439 --> 01:48:37,880
Speaker 8: whatever in whatever way I can possibly get the person

2124
01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:42,679
Speaker 8: I'm interviewing to understand my perspective. Instead, what Greg Doyle

2125
01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:46,400
Speaker 8: did and and by the way, in a more and

2126
01:48:46,520 --> 01:48:51,000
Speaker 8: more accusatory way or tone of voice, is continue to

2127
01:48:51,040 --> 01:48:55,360
Speaker 8: ask the same question. The definition of insanity is continuing

2128
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Speaker 8: to do the same things expecting a different result and

2129
01:48:59,400 --> 01:49:03,040
Speaker 8: receiving this same one. I mean, so it became like

2130
01:49:03,560 --> 01:49:07,479
Speaker 8: annoying and insane to listen to this reporter go yeah, yeah,

2131
01:49:07,520 --> 01:49:10,519
Speaker 8: but hang on, let me ask it again how And

2132
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:14,760
Speaker 8: it's like, okay, listen, he answered your question, pal, So

2133
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Speaker 8: if you didn't like to answer, maybe clear your throat,

2134
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Speaker 8: take a beat. Let somebody else ask a question and

2135
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Speaker 8: then be like, hey, you know what, Pascal, check this out.

2136
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Speaker 8: I just had a scone in the break room. I

2137
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:30,559
Speaker 8: realized I didn't convey that question the right way.

2138
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Speaker 2: Here's what I meant. So, with the stakes being as

2139
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Speaker 2: high as they are with the game.

2140
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Speaker 4: Blah blah blah.

2141
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Speaker 8: How do you think you guys showed up underprepared for

2142
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Speaker 8: this moment? Because clear and maybe you arrive at a

2143
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Speaker 8: different answer. But yeah, I blame I blame the interrogator,

2144
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Speaker 8: not the interrogated on this side of the debate if

2145
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:54,280
Speaker 8: we needed to pick sides, which I know we didn't,

2146
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Speaker 8: but it just it went from sounding like a Q

2147
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Speaker 8: and A to just an annoyance for Pascal.

2148
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

2149
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Speaker 6: I think the defensiveness is where it got off base.

2150
01:50:05,320 --> 01:50:10,080
Speaker 6: And it's Greg's job in that situation, like the responsibility

2151
01:50:10,120 --> 01:50:14,400
Speaker 6: is on him to communicate effectively. He is the professional communicator.

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Speaker 6: Pascal is the professional basketball player. And maybe the question

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Speaker 6: should have been framed differently. And all questions are on limits.

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Speaker 6: I'm not saying the question itself was out of bounds.

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Speaker 6: I think it was like, it's a fair question to

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Speaker 6: ask why didn't you perform up to your level? But

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Speaker 6: it sounded like Pascal kind of was answering it honestly

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Speaker 6: and then just didn't like the follow up, Like I

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01:50:38,479 --> 01:50:41,320
Speaker 6: understand Pascal's answer like we didn't have it tonight, and

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Speaker 6: and whether or not that's a fair answer or not,

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Speaker 6: whether or not that's an answer that you know passes the.

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Speaker 3: Smell test, that's up to the audience to decide.

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Speaker 6: But if I was the journalist in that situation and

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01:50:51,760 --> 01:50:54,840
Speaker 6: my question was Pascal, I want to know why you

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Speaker 6: didn't have it tonight, and he just was given me

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Speaker 6: that many were they played with more energy, to play

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01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:03,840
Speaker 6: with more fight. And it's not incumbent on me as

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Speaker 6: the reporter to ask a better question if I don't

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Speaker 6: like the answer, Like I just think Greg didn't like

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Speaker 6: the answer because it wasn't going down the path that

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01:51:13,240 --> 01:51:15,200
Speaker 6: he wanted and he wanted to get a better answer,

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01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:16,920
Speaker 6: and then then the back and forth got awkward.

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Speaker 3: But the question itself was fair. I just think it

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Speaker 3: wasn't communicated effectively.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, So we have limited time for the good,

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01:51:26,160 --> 01:51:29,880
Speaker 5: which is standard, right, like we harp on the bad

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01:51:30,360 --> 01:51:33,120
Speaker 5: limited time, we'll shoehorn in the good. This is a

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Speaker 5: tremendous response by Joe Flacco, Brown's quarterback. So you got

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Speaker 5: two rookie quarterbacks on the Browns roster right now, Dylan

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01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:42,800
Speaker 5: Gabriel and Shaduur Sanders. And so he was asked, hey,

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01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:43,639
Speaker 5: are you a mentor?

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Speaker 2: Are you.

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Speaker 5: Listen to this answer? He breaks down. It's a legit answer.

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Speaker 5: I thought it was great.

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Speaker 4: Check it out. Here you go, here's Joe Flacco.

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Speaker 2: It's a good question. Debate.

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01:51:54,200 --> 01:51:57,840
Speaker 11: Somebody into answering and either and no matter how they answer,

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01:51:57,840 --> 01:51:59,880
Speaker 11: it kind of makes the guy that's answering it look bad.

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01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:02,200
Speaker 11: If I say I don't want to be a mentor,

2190
01:52:02,240 --> 01:52:03,920
Speaker 11: I look bad. If I say I do want to

2191
01:52:03,960 --> 01:52:05,439
Speaker 11: be a mentor, then I look like an idiot that

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01:52:05,439 --> 01:52:08,000
Speaker 11: doesn't care about being good and playing football. So it's

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Speaker 11: one of those questions that no matter what I say,

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01:52:10,360 --> 01:52:12,200
Speaker 11: you guys can write what you want to write about it.

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01:52:12,439 --> 01:52:14,120
Speaker 11: And there's a lot of questions like that. That's why

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01:52:14,120 --> 01:52:15,920
Speaker 11: you end up having to try to avoid them. I

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01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:17,880
Speaker 11: tend to try to be honest, and I've said I'm

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Speaker 11: not a mentor. I play football, And in a quarterback room,

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Speaker 11: there's a lot of times already, there's been already a

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01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:26,720
Speaker 11: ton of times where there's learning experiences, and I have

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Speaker 11: a lot of experience and I can talk on things

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01:52:29,320 --> 01:52:31,960
Speaker 11: and hopefully they listen, but it's not necessarily like my

2203
01:52:32,120 --> 01:52:33,439
Speaker 11: job to make sure they.

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01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:33,800
Speaker 2: Listen to me.

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01:52:33,880 --> 01:52:36,439
Speaker 11: And you know, hey, like hopefully you have a really

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01:52:36,479 --> 01:52:38,240
Speaker 11: good relationship with the guys that are in the room,

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01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:42,479
Speaker 11: and you naturally want to do that, you know, But

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01:52:43,960 --> 01:52:46,519
Speaker 11: that's yeah, that was a long winded answer, but that's

2209
01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:48,880
Speaker 11: ultimately why I think you guys ask it. Here's the

2210
01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:50,800
Speaker 11: thing is like, because of what I just said, like,

2211
01:52:50,840 --> 01:52:52,960
Speaker 11: you're acting like I wouldn't want to be a mentor,

2212
01:52:53,240 --> 01:52:55,640
Speaker 11: and it's like, once again, it's not really about that.

2213
01:52:55,720 --> 01:52:58,519
Speaker 11: It's just not the main focus. I see myself as

2214
01:52:58,520 --> 01:53:00,360
Speaker 11: a guy that can play in this league. So if

2215
01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:02,479
Speaker 11: your main focus was just like hey, well I'm gonna

2216
01:53:02,479 --> 01:53:04,960
Speaker 11: get you ready, you're just not taking care of business.

2217
01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:06,880
Speaker 11: The best way to be a mentor, honestly, is like

2218
01:53:06,920 --> 01:53:10,120
Speaker 11: show people how you go to work, you know, and

2219
01:53:11,320 --> 01:53:13,599
Speaker 11: like I said, hope that they pick up on that stuff,

2220
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:15,920
Speaker 11: but not necessarily force them to pick up on the

2221
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:16,519
Speaker 11: things that you do.

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Speaker 5: I think that's tremendously well handled by Flag.

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01:53:20,920 --> 01:53:23,640
Speaker 4: He broke it down for us. He not only he

2224
01:53:23,720 --> 01:53:24,559
Speaker 4: gave us the why.

2225
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:28,519
Speaker 5: He gave us why I don't see myself as a mentor.

2226
01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:29,839
Speaker 4: He explained it clearly.

2227
01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:35,240
Speaker 5: It's easy to understand, and I totally understand where he's

2228
01:53:35,280 --> 01:53:37,360
Speaker 5: coming from, and it made a lot of sense.

2229
01:53:37,360 --> 01:53:40,200
Speaker 4: I thought a great job of breaking that down for everybody.

2230
01:53:40,479 --> 01:53:42,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, the trademark honesty.

2231
01:53:42,720 --> 01:53:47,760
Speaker 8: I met Joe a couple of times, and each time

2232
01:53:47,800 --> 01:53:52,280
Speaker 8: I spoke to him, he's just a straight shooter. He's

2233
01:53:52,320 --> 01:53:54,280
Speaker 8: not a guy who's gonna pull any punches. He'll tell

2234
01:53:54,280 --> 01:53:57,320
Speaker 8: you exactly how he feels. And I appreciate those type

2235
01:53:57,320 --> 01:54:00,599
Speaker 8: of people who are frank and who are blunt, and

2236
01:54:01,120 --> 01:54:04,400
Speaker 8: I think that in the past. Obviously, when Lamar was

2237
01:54:04,479 --> 01:54:08,240
Speaker 8: drafted by the Ravens, he was asked a question similar

2238
01:54:08,760 --> 01:54:11,800
Speaker 8: and he handled it differently, and so he had a

2239
01:54:11,840 --> 01:54:14,640
Speaker 8: better plan this time of how he would want to

2240
01:54:14,680 --> 01:54:17,680
Speaker 8: answer that question so it not be misconstrued. Also, it

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01:54:17,720 --> 01:54:21,519
Speaker 8: was an enormous talking point, not only in Baltimore but

2242
01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:26,559
Speaker 8: across league circles. For it felt like, you know, two

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01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:30,959
Speaker 8: weeks of an offseason when Lamar was drafted by the Ravens.

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01:54:31,400 --> 01:54:33,240
Speaker 2: I completely agree with what he just said.

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01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:36,640
Speaker 8: The same way we were discussing how Pascal Siakam. His

2246
01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:39,360
Speaker 8: job is to play basketball, not to answer questions the

2247
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:43,920
Speaker 8: way Greg Doyle wants questions to be answered. Joe Flacko's

2248
01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:48,680
Speaker 8: job is to be to be a professional football player

2249
01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:51,080
Speaker 8: and play to the highest of his ability and hopefully

2250
01:54:51,080 --> 01:54:53,240
Speaker 8: go out and win a Super Bowl for the Cleveland Browns.

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01:54:53,480 --> 01:54:57,040
Speaker 8: Will that happen, I don't know. Will somebody learn something

2252
01:54:57,040 --> 01:54:59,880
Speaker 8: from him along the way, I don't know, but probably

2253
01:55:00,120 --> 01:55:02,360
Speaker 8: because he's got a lot of experience, like you just

2254
01:55:02,440 --> 01:55:05,640
Speaker 8: pointed out. But one thing I do know is they

2255
01:55:05,680 --> 01:55:08,080
Speaker 8: didn't pay him to be a mentor. They didn't bring

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01:55:08,160 --> 01:55:11,160
Speaker 8: him in necessarily to only be a mentor because they

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01:55:11,240 --> 01:55:13,960
Speaker 8: hired coaches to do that stuff. Yep, Flacco is a

2258
01:55:13,960 --> 01:55:14,720
Speaker 8: football player.

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01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:17,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. I'll be very quick here.

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01:55:17,240 --> 01:55:18,880
Speaker 6: I just think there's a phrase that I like to

2261
01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:21,040
Speaker 6: use a lot in my daily life that I think

2262
01:55:21,080 --> 01:55:23,720
Speaker 6: speaks to this. Don't talk about it, be about it.

2263
01:55:24,640 --> 01:55:27,960
Speaker 6: Like and we've discussed this point before, like when coaches,

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01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:29,600
Speaker 6: for example, Ryan Day, when he had to go on

2265
01:55:29,640 --> 01:55:31,480
Speaker 6: and say how tough his football team is. I know

2266
01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:33,240
Speaker 6: they won the National championship, but they had like a

2267
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:35,680
Speaker 6: gajillion dollar roster and they were most talented, so let's

2268
01:55:35,720 --> 01:55:38,360
Speaker 6: not go crazy. But when Ryan Day was like, our

2269
01:55:38,400 --> 01:55:41,520
Speaker 6: team is tough, man like when you say your team

2270
01:55:41,560 --> 01:55:43,160
Speaker 6: is tough, eh, might not.

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01:55:43,120 --> 01:55:43,720
Speaker 3: Be that tough.

2272
01:55:44,040 --> 01:55:46,280
Speaker 6: You don't need like some things are just unspoken, you

2273
01:55:46,280 --> 01:55:47,960
Speaker 6: don't need to say it. And I think that's where

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01:55:48,040 --> 01:55:52,320
Speaker 6: Joe Flacco is lead by example. Fantastic answer, expect nothing

2275
01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:53,880
Speaker 6: less from someone of his class level.

2276
01:55:56,520 --> 01:55:59,280
Speaker 4: We need Siakam to step up his answering game.

2277
01:55:59,600 --> 01:56:01,720
Speaker 3: Like right Greg Doyle.

2278
01:56:03,120 --> 01:56:07,480
Speaker 5: Games, I think they're both at far. I'm more on

2279
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:10,000
Speaker 5: the Siakam side than the Doyle side. That's not me,

2280
01:56:10,200 --> 01:56:11,200
Speaker 5: you know, I.

2281
01:56:11,560 --> 01:56:13,600
Speaker 4: Took a creed. I'm a media guy. I got no,

2282
01:56:13,680 --> 01:56:15,880
Speaker 4: it's not like that. But I think that.

2283
01:56:17,520 --> 01:56:19,400
Speaker 5: Thought he was saying something he never was saying in

2284
01:56:19,400 --> 01:56:21,560
Speaker 5: the first place. But we need game six.

2285
01:56:21,640 --> 01:56:24,520
Speaker 4: Siakam in the postgame press conference is what we need.

2286
01:56:24,640 --> 01:56:25,880
Speaker 3: You know, we need him to show up.

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Speaker 1: Rapid fire.

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Speaker 4: All right, shared, we start with you.

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Speaker 6: the bonus in a minute. Let's start with game six tonight,

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Speaker 6: Knicks Pacers. I'm taking over thirteen and a half turnovers

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01:58:21,080 --> 01:58:24,040
Speaker 6: for the next day. I've had at least thirteen turnovers

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01:58:24,040 --> 01:58:26,320
Speaker 6: in all five games, so a little increase in this number.

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01:58:26,840 --> 01:58:29,360
Speaker 6: But they had fifteen in Game three in Indiana, seventeen

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01:58:29,440 --> 01:58:32,360
Speaker 6: in Game four. I think the Knicks sloppy with the basketball.

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Speaker 6: Over thirteen a half turnovers. You can get plus money

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Speaker 6: on this prop as well. I'm gonna take the Pacers

2335
01:58:36,160 --> 01:58:37,600
Speaker 6: minus three and a half against the Nicks. I think

2336
01:58:37,640 --> 01:58:40,120
Speaker 6: the next season ends tonight. We've kind of alluded to

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01:58:40,120 --> 01:58:43,440
Speaker 6: this throughout the entire show. It's just the zig zag approach.

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01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:45,600
Speaker 6: How bad the Pacers played in Game five, and the

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01:58:45,680 --> 01:58:47,600
Speaker 6: number moves in their favor for Game six.

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01:58:47,760 --> 01:58:49,200
Speaker 3: I think the series will end tonight.

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01:58:49,360 --> 01:58:51,920
Speaker 6: We're taking the Tigers on the run line in the

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01:58:51,920 --> 01:58:54,200
Speaker 6: first five, so they have to be ahead after five

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01:58:54,240 --> 01:58:56,080
Speaker 6: innings or else to bet as a lost minus a

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01:58:56,080 --> 01:58:58,720
Speaker 6: half run in the first five. They're facing the Royals today.

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Speaker 6: I get to reak Scoble on the mound and you don't.

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01:59:01,640 --> 01:59:03,840
Speaker 6: That's why we're going Detroit and my bonus play. You're

2347
01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:05,839
Speaker 6: got to wait a few days. We're gonna go Oiler's

2348
01:59:05,880 --> 01:59:08,840
Speaker 6: money line in Game one of the Stanley Cup Final

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01:59:08,920 --> 01:59:09,839
Speaker 6: against the Panthers.

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Speaker 8: Okay, I'll go lightning fast here for you. Brian Knicks

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01:59:14,760 --> 01:59:18,320
Speaker 8: plus three and a half tonight. They've led with defense,

2352
01:59:18,400 --> 01:59:22,600
Speaker 8: clutch playmaking. I think they cover the spread. Nicks Pacers

2353
01:59:22,640 --> 01:59:26,120
Speaker 8: tonight two twenty and a half. Give me under the

2354
01:59:26,160 --> 01:59:30,680
Speaker 8: total game five, fairly crack two hundred and over the

2355
01:59:30,760 --> 01:59:34,560
Speaker 8: nine and a half total runs. Dodgers, Yankees, two shaky starters,

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01:59:34,840 --> 01:59:35,760
Speaker 8: great offenses.

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01:59:35,800 --> 01:59:36,960
Speaker 2: It'll be a slugfest.

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01:59:39,360 --> 01:59:43,760
Speaker 4: Okay, it is no and Jared be rich here. I've

2359
01:59:43,800 --> 01:59:45,840
Speaker 4: got the Pacers minus three and a half.

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01:59:45,880 --> 01:59:47,880
Speaker 5: I think it ends. I think you're gonna be a

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01:59:47,880 --> 01:59:51,880
Speaker 5: handful tonight. I'm gonna start another bet over. I'm gonna

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01:59:51,920 --> 01:59:53,800
Speaker 5: take the Pacers in the first quarter minus a point

2363
01:59:53,800 --> 01:59:55,560
Speaker 5: and a half. I think they start really fast, one

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01:59:55,600 --> 01:59:58,000
Speaker 5: hundred miles per hour. It's gonna be allowed to deal with.

2365
01:59:58,600 --> 02:00:01,440
Speaker 5: And then give me ogn nob I'll double down under

2366
02:00:01,480 --> 02:00:02,760
Speaker 5: four and a half rebounds.

2367
02:00:02,960 --> 02:00:03,640
Speaker 4: I like the trend.

2368
02:00:03,720 --> 02:00:07,040
Speaker 5: He's gone under in every game in this prop. Hey

2369
02:00:07,240 --> 02:00:09,600
Speaker 5: enjoy Game six and whatever else you do today.