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Speaker 1: Jason.

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Speaker 2: What's going on, man?

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Speaker 1: How are you? What's happening? Aaron? Things are going pretty well,

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Speaker 1: pretty good, pretty good day. I would say, watching some hoops,

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Speaker 1: doing a couple of things, spending some time with the family.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, things are good. We're about we're I think

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Speaker 1: we're about a month away. Give or take from football

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Speaker 1: having a second child. Oh okay, we're only about four

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Speaker 1: weeks away. Now, congratulation could be, could be sooner, but

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Speaker 1: it's likely gonna be. It looks like it's gonna be,

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Speaker 1: you know, Easter weekend or right thereafter, God willing. And

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Speaker 1: uh so we're kind of on the home stretch here,

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Speaker 1: in full preparation mode for that. And when I have time,

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Speaker 1: I turn an eyeball.

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Speaker 2: Towards sports talk about March madness. That was good. Congrats

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Speaker 2: to you and your wife obviously, and of course your

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Speaker 2: your your daughter who's already you know here, she's obviously

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Speaker 2: going to be an older sister, So congrats there. And

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Speaker 2: uh yeah, I thought you were gonna say, we're about

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Speaker 2: a month away from spring football, which I know is

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Speaker 2: your favorite football season of them all.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know how I'm gonna I don't know

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Speaker 1: how I'm I mean, because I'm gonna have to focus

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Speaker 1: on the child. I guess my priority is going to

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Speaker 1: have to change from spring football to being a father.

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Speaker 1: It's honestly, it's difficult, Like I've been in deep thought

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Speaker 1: over it, contemplating how can I do both? Because I

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Speaker 1: don't understand the universe in which I don't have time

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Speaker 1: to both devote to children, which I get it they're important,

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Speaker 1: but I mean spring football only comes around once a year,

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Speaker 1: and eventually maybe it's never going to come around again.

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Speaker 2: Well, the good news is, you know, with the modern technology.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't have any children of my own,

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Speaker 2: but those late night diaper changings and stuff you can

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Speaker 2: throw on the Arizona Hotshots in the Minnesota Rattlers or whatever.

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Speaker 1: It's a fair point. I mean, that's fair point. Look, man,

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Speaker 1: DVR was invented for just this purpose to create and

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Speaker 1: replay opportunity for me for spring football. So that's that's

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Speaker 1: an excellent silver lining in the cloud that is not

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Speaker 1: being able to watch live spring football.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what, Jason, Let's switch gears to

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Speaker 2: another sport that you know, listen has certainly been in

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Speaker 2: the headlines, you know, and I think we've been a

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Speaker 2: little bit sarcastic with our interest in it, and that

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Speaker 2: is the NBA. And it was a historic night at

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Speaker 2: State you know, can't call it Staple Center anymore, but

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Speaker 2: Staple Center Crypto dot Com arena where the Los Angeles

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Speaker 2: Lakers did lose to the Denver Nuggets. But of course

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Speaker 2: the story was Lebron James, with his ninth point, passed

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Speaker 2: forty thousand points for his career now last season. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: it goes without saying he passed Kareem as the all

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Speaker 2: time leading scorer in NBA history. Tonight he hits forty thousand,

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Speaker 2: and Jason, I was thinking about this, and I want

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Speaker 2: your perspective. I think there's well, first of all, listen,

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Speaker 2: so it's interesting because I think there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: ways you can look at this one. Obviously, what Lebron

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Speaker 2: is doing at thirty nine years old remains incredible, and

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Speaker 2: I think you know, whether you're a Lebron guy, not

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Speaker 2: just insane. But I bring it up, Jason, because of this,

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Speaker 2: maybe I'm just watching the wrong media. It didn't feel

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Speaker 2: but before we do, am I like, I don't feel

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Speaker 1: I mean, forty thousand is a big number, and Lebron

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Speaker 1: James is a big at star as you're gonna find

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Speaker 1: in American sports, no question about that. Most recognizable face

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Speaker 2: The two guys mess He's you know, if you included.

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Speaker 1: But I guess I'm just talking American team sports. But yes,

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Speaker 1: is a polarizing factor to Lebron. There's a polarizing factor

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Speaker 1: to some of the things that he has said off

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Speaker 1: But I want to put those to the side a

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Speaker 1: The fact that he's been able to play as long

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Speaker 1: he's an exquisite passion. We already know that, but just

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Speaker 1: he's always been the star of every team he's been on,

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Speaker 1: it was his team all along. When Kevin Durant was there.

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Speaker 1: But back to the polarizing side, and this is purely

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Speaker 1: historically is the fact that Lebron James has hand picked

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Speaker 1: multiple situations. He didn't stay in Cleveland his whole career.

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Speaker 1: He manufactured situations. The narrative was always he didn't have

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Speaker 1: consistently when you look at a lot of these other guys,

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Speaker 1: I don't think we've ever seen somebody that has kind

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Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of layers to a lot

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Speaker 2: like he is celebrated like all these other legends though,

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Speaker 2: And I'm having trouble figuring out why. And I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of it is exactly what you just said,

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Speaker 2: obviously he's been by all accounts of great father, a

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Speaker 2: So that's not what I'm saying. But what I'm saying is,

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Speaker 2: like you said, switching teams, having no allegiance. It's funny

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Speaker 2: to all sorts of people, including like you know, Rob Gara,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you were if you were going to

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Speaker 1: even arguable like Kobe was the Lakers. And a large

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Speaker 1: part of that was because, you know, after he was

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Speaker 1: For all the negatives about Aaron Rodgers, one thing was,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he was that city, he was that team.

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Speaker 1: He's what you knew Green Bay four positive and negative.

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Speaker 1: He was a you know, certainly a polarizing force as well,

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Speaker 1: and another highly regarded athlete who was always a superstar

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Speaker 1: throughout his entire starting career. But he never left that city,

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Speaker 1: at least for a long long time, and now he's

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Speaker 1: gone to the Jets. But it's kind of like Jordan

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Speaker 1: Everything's kind of already said. It's if Brady go into

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Speaker 1: whereas Lebron never I don't feel like he ever put

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Speaker 1: be Oh, he's theirs like, and I don't mean that

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Speaker 1: in a negative context. Again, Lebron had the right to

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Speaker 2: Tell you what, Jason, I actually while you were speaking,

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Speaker 2: I want to continue this conversation, discuss that. Next Lebron

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, everybody, Fox Sports Radio, Eric Torris, Jaysonmartin Broadcasting,

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Speaker 1: shape all that.

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Speaker 2: Same, Luca is going to break the record. I'm just

430
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Speaker 2: saying No, I'm just saying that's part of it. Like

431
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Speaker 2: it requires the longevity and to be to be healthy

432
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Speaker 2: like that. I think that's part of it. It's certainly

433
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Speaker 2: it's certainly it's going to take.

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Speaker 1: A lot, but there are a lot of guys that

435
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Speaker 1: just average an insane amount of points. And the thing

436
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Speaker 1: about Lebron was he could he could score all out

437
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Speaker 1: when he wanted to, when he has forty thousand points,

438
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Speaker 1: but he spent a lot of time, you know, giving

439
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 1: the ball to Duwayne Wade. He's spent a lot of

440
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Speaker 1: time not taking shots. And the other thing about somebody

441
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Speaker 1: like Luca, I'm just using him as his example because

442
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Speaker 1: you did. I understand that you're not making that claim,

443
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Speaker 1: but it's gotta be somebody's playing a lot of playoff

444
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Speaker 1: games too. You gotta win a lot of games to

445
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Speaker 1: do this, because think about I mean, he's had I

446
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Speaker 1: don't know how many playoff games he has played in,

447
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Speaker 1: but he's probably had an extra seasons worth of work, sure,

448
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Speaker 1: just from that. So that and that's time before age

449
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Speaker 1: takes over. Now I understand basketball minutes, but your age

450
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Speaker 1: change is a little bit different too. Like five years ago,

451
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Speaker 1: I woke up and I was pretty sure even if

452
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Speaker 1: i'd run the day before, I was good. Now at

453
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Speaker 1: forty five, I ran, if I run yesterday, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: wake up the next day. Oh I'm not even sure

455
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Speaker 1: what I did. But why why is my elbow hurting

456
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Speaker 1: I was running like stuff like that, Like being able

457
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Speaker 1: to play that time before the clock would turn over.

458
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Speaker 1: I think makes a bit of a difference as well.

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot lot of factors that they would

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Speaker 1: have to work in the favor of this. I just

461
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Speaker 1: look at the way basketball is played up and down,

462
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Speaker 1: not holding the ball too much for the shot clock,

463
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Speaker 1: and then these wide open deep threes from thirty feet

464
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Speaker 1: that guys are taking or twenty five footers, and I

465
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Speaker 1: just say, somebody one of these sharpshooters most likely, or

466
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Speaker 1: one of these stretch guys that can step out and

467
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Speaker 1: make threes at a high level, has a decent free

468
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Speaker 1: throw shooting percentage, but has an excellent mid range game.

469
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Speaker 1: Those guys are right to take this record at some point.

470
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Speaker 1: The only difference is does today's athlete have an interest

471
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Speaker 1: in playing to forty if they're already you know, set

472
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Speaker 1: for life plus seven generations worth? And are they gonna

473
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Speaker 1: want to move on? That's the other thing is you

474
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Speaker 1: got to want to do this, You gotta want to

475
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Speaker 1: play that long. And we see a lot of athletes

476
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Speaker 1: now stepping away earlier in careers rather than later.

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Speaker 2: Really interesting By the way, you said Lebron's probably played

478
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Speaker 2: a year's worth, a season's worth of postseason games. How

479
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Speaker 2: about three and a half season's work?

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but yeah, two hundred. It's a bad underest

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Speaker 1: of it by me.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I wouldn't have been able to do the

483
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Speaker 2: bad man two hundred and eighty two career playoff games

484
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Speaker 2: for Lebron. Yes, how about this. He didn't even make

485
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Speaker 2: his first postseason until his third year in the league.

486
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Speaker 2: So uh so Lebron does pass that thirty or forty

487
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Speaker 2: thousand point mark. Tonight, the Lakers do lose to the

488
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Speaker 2: Denver Nuggets, and I'll tell you what, we'll come back.

489
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Speaker 2: We'll talk a little NFL combat. We'll get back to

490
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Speaker 2: Lebron later in the show. But there was some stuff

491
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Speaker 2: from the combine that does need to be discussed. We'll

492
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Speaker 2: get to that momentarily first time this evening, though, Let's

493
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Speaker 2: get over the news desk, Steve Seger, what is trending.

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Speaker 5: Amazing with the longevity guys with Lebron is he's still great.

495
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Speaker 5: He's at twenty five points a game this year and

496
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Speaker 5: he turned thirty nine this season, and he's twenty seven

497
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Speaker 5: points a game.

498
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Speaker 2: For his career.

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Speaker 5: Michael Jordan wasn't doing this at the end of his career.

500
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Speaker 5: First off, he quote retired after that last Bulls title,

501
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Speaker 5: and then after three years off he was shooting about

502
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Speaker 5: forty forty five percent the Washington Wizards. If you recall

503
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Speaker 5: those uniforms, Lebron here, it's going to be four years

504
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 5: in a row shooting fifty percent from the floor, and

505
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Speaker 5: the points per game. It's just the longevity and being

506
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Speaker 5: great at it. It's just stunning well and really quickly.

507
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Speaker 2: That's kind of the other crazy part about Lebron that

508
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Speaker 2: people don't talk about. He won wasn't a great shooter

509
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Speaker 2: early in his career and then two just the three

510
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 2: point shot wasn't as prevalent as it is now. Like

511
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Speaker 2: if he was coming up now like that would just

512
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Speaker 2: to quote the kids that would just be in his

513
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Speaker 2: bag and he'd probably be a thirty eight thirty nine

514
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Speaker 2: percent shooter from the outset and.

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Speaker 5: Compare it to Jordan. I mean, he would take two

516
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Speaker 5: three pointers a game, and exactly Lebron, even not a

517
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 5: three point shooter, would put up five three pointers.

518
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Speaker 2: Shoot. It's just the game has changed.

519
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Speaker 5: But I love the staff from a guy who's covered

520
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 5: Lakers for years in La Brian Kamenitsky that to get

521
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Speaker 5: to where Lebron James is right now forty thousand career points,

522
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Speaker 5: a player breaking into the NBA today would need to

523
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Speaker 5: average twenty five points a game for about twenty seasons,

524
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Speaker 5: so about sixteen hundred games, which reminds me exactly of

525
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 5: baseball's all time wins record for a pitcher. Cy Young's

526
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Speaker 5: record is never going. You would need pretty much the

527
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Speaker 5: same type of numbers. You would need twenty five wins

528
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Speaker 5: a year for twenty years, and that would get you

529
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Speaker 5: five hundred victories, and Cy Young has five eleven, so

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Speaker 5: you'd still be short.

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Speaker 2: I would tell you when we were talking about that record, like,

532
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Speaker 2: there are some that are unbreakable. I don't think forty

533
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Speaker 2: thousand necessarily is one that will never be broken. Five

534
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Speaker 2: hundred and eleven wins silly, Yeah, that's four man.

535
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Speaker 5: Rotation, yeah, Ali, Well, even the home run record. Remember

536
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Speaker 5: people were saying with Mike Trout, maybe he's the guy

537
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Speaker 5: in this generation that's got a chance for the seven

538
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Speaker 5: hundred home runs. Nope, because the longevity's not there. Used

539
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Speaker 5: to get thirty five forty homers a year. And it's

540
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Speaker 5: been seven or eight years since he's played the full

541
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Speaker 5: seasons and he's still well.

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Speaker 1: In the playoffs.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a completely completely separate thing, but thank you.

544
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Speaker 5: As for what's going on right now in college hoops,

545
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 5: Gonzaga leads with ten minutes to go at Saint Mary's

546
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 5: sixty to forty one, and the Zags in this top

547
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Speaker 5: twenty five matchup, we're ahead by sixteen at the half,

548
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 5: the stab from one of their beat riders. Gonzaga when

549
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Speaker 5: leading by double digits at halftime, has won one hundred

550
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Speaker 5: and sixty eight consecutive games. They're facing a seventeenth ranked

551
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Speaker 5: Saint Mary's team that is fifteen to zero in league

552
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Speaker 5: play until tonight, and this is the game that ends

553
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Speaker 5: the West Coast Conference regular season. The quarterfinals of the

554
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Speaker 5: Conference A Tourney are next Saturday.

555
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Speaker 2: By the way, the.

556
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Speaker 5: First conference tournament final is next Saturday. Ohio Valley Conference

557
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Speaker 5: well number one rank Houston won a thriller at Oklahoma

558
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Speaker 5: eighty seven eighty five on a last second jumper on

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Speaker 5: Fox TV. Number two Perdue beat Michigan State eighty to

560
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Speaker 5: seventy four, and fourth ranked Tennessee is now alone and

561
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Speaker 5: first in the sec after winning at Alabama eighty one

562
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Speaker 5: seventy four. Creighton beat number five Marquette Baylor over numbers

563
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Speaker 5: seven Kansas nineth trying. North Carolina came back to beat

564
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Speaker 5: NC State. In the NHL, Nashville won its eighth straight

565
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Speaker 5: game victories for Toronto and the Islanders. The Broncos are

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Speaker 5: due to cut quarterback Russell Wilson by next week. According

567
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Speaker 5: to the Athletic, the forty nine ers are promoting Nick

568
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Speaker 5: Sorenson to defensive coordinator. In the NBA's late game under

569
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Speaker 5: four minutes to go, Rockets still leading at Phoenix one

570
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Speaker 5: thirteen to one h two Jalen Green thirty two points.

571
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Speaker 5: Denver has won sixth straight since the All Star Break,

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Speaker 5: a win and a dominant fourth quarter of really last

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Speaker 5: six minutes or so. At the Lakers one twenty four

574
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Speaker 5: to one fourteen. Nikola Jokic thirty five points. Lebron James

575
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Speaker 5: scored twenty six and yes he's over forty thousand career points. Reminder,

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Speaker 5: nascars on Fox TV again tomorrow from Vegas.

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Speaker 2: Back to you, Thank you very much. Steve Seger, Fox

578
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Speaker 2: Sports Radio, Fox Sports Saturday Era Tords Jason Martin broadcasting

579
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Speaker 2: live from the tire rack dot Com studios. Jayson want

580
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Speaker 2: to do a pivot back to football because after one

581
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Speaker 2: week where it was like, wow, super Bowl's done, not

582
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: much to talk about on the football side, when now

583
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Speaker 2: the Combine's going on, baby, and it's all football. The

584
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Speaker 2: time we got Xavier Worthy setting a Combine record, we

585
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Speaker 2: got all sorts of stuff coming out of Indianapolis. But

586
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Speaker 2: to me and not to me, I mean, it's the

587
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: story is this Caleb Williams just stuff. And we've heard

588
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Speaker 2: about all of this dating back to probably August when

589
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Speaker 2: his dad and he and his dad both did that

590
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Speaker 2: interview in GQ where basically his dad insinuated, Hey, if

591
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Speaker 2: we don't like who ends up with a number one pick,

592
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Speaker 2: we could always come back to college for another year. Anyway,

593
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Speaker 2: I bring it up because we are now here, this

594
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Speaker 2: is the Caleb Williams Draft, and obviously this week in Indianapolis.

595
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Speaker 2: While there have been a lot of different narratives and storylines,

596
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Speaker 2: the prevailing one is what is going to happen with

597
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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams. But also I think part of it has

598
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Speaker 2: become like what does Caleb Williams want out of this process?

599
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Speaker 2: Because we've seen the interviews. He did multiple interviews where

600
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Speaker 2: he said I don't care. He didn't say I don't

601
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Speaker 2: care where I go. He said, I'll be happy wherever

602
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Speaker 2: I go. I'd be happy to go to Chicago. If

603
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Speaker 2: that's where I end up, I'll be happy to But

604
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Speaker 2: you also see kind of these mixed messages. You know,

605
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Speaker 2: he's refused to release some of his medical information. What

606
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Speaker 2: do you make of everything going on with Caleb Williams

607
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Speaker 2: this week? Is this just a guy that knows he's

608
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Speaker 2: going to be the number one pick? Is he being

609
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Speaker 2: a diva? What have you made of all of it?

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Speaker 1: I tend to think the first thing you said the former,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think he does think he can think

612
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Speaker 1: and no, he's going to be the number one pick

613
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Speaker 1: or feel that way. Contrary to some of the speculation

614
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Speaker 1: with other names that have been mentioned, I don't think that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think you necessarily have separate

616
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Speaker 1: those two things. Actually, like, I think that he thinks

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be a number one pick, and maybe he's

618
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Speaker 1: being a little bit of a diva, And the guy

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Speaker 1: who thinks he's going to be the number one pick

620
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Speaker 1: might always generally have that diva tendency in them, at

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Speaker 1: least to some extent. I mean, he's been talked about

622
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Speaker 1: in rarefied air for such a long time, it feels

623
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Speaker 1: like multiple years, including the Heisman two years ago, that

624
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Speaker 1: I just don't think he's very used to hearing anything

625
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: but superlatives about himself, and probably from his inner circle

626
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Speaker 1: and externally. And of course I think he has a

627
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Speaker 1: lot of self confidence as well. There is definitely I

628
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Speaker 1: think that you could accuse him of coming across arrogant,

629
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Speaker 1: or coming across entitled or conceded. But again, here's a

630
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Speaker 1: dude thinks he's gonna be the number one pick because

631
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Speaker 1: everybody has always told him, you're gonna be the number

632
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Speaker 1: one pick. So I can't rise to like condemn him,

633
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Speaker 1: and at the same time, I can understand why some

634
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Speaker 1: people view it that way. It's just this just feels

635
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Speaker 1: like the natural outpouring of the way he has probably

636
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Speaker 1: been treated in his own life and the things he's

637
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Speaker 1: heard about himself for such a long period of time.

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Speaker 2: Tell you what, Jason, I have another thought on Caleb Williams,

639
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 2: a little bit of a half bake theory that I

640
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Speaker 2: want to run by you. Next we'll discuss that discuss

641
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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams. The NFL combine is ramping up in Indianapolis,

642
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: and as I said, got a little bit of a

643
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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams conspiracy theory. I want to run by you.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back everybody, Fox Sports Radio. Eric Torres, Jason Martin

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Speaker 2: broadcasting from the Tierraq dot com studios, and we were

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Speaker 2: talking combine before the break. Jason, I have a little

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Speaker 2: half baked theory here, and I don't think it's a

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Speaker 2: you know, when I was teasing it knowing I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: pay it off. I don't think it's as conspiracy theory

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Speaker 2: ish as a maybe I made it sound, but whatever.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully I kept people through the break, but I listen.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anything is done yet. And I think

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Speaker 2: if Caleb Williams ends up as a Chicago Bear, I

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Speaker 2: think he will go there. He'll report this isn't gonna

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Speaker 2: be a John Elway thing. He's not gonna go play baseball,

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Speaker 2: you know, like Michael Jordan or something. But my theory is,

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Speaker 2: and I truly believe this, and if part of it

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Speaker 2: is some of the actions this week, and then part

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Speaker 2: of it is something else, I truly believe week one,

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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams will run out of the tunnel as a

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Speaker 2: Washington commander. I truly believe it. And let me explain why.

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Speaker 2: So first of all, it's clear like Caleb is saying

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Speaker 2: all the right things about you know, oh my goodness,

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Speaker 2: you know, yeah, if I'm a bear whatever, blah bla blah.

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Speaker 2: But it's clear that he doesn't want to go there.

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Speaker 2: His camp doesn't want to go there. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: in his defense, I sort of get it. Literally a

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Speaker 2: one hundred year history without one, you know, one time

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Speaker 2: really developing a high level quarterback. You have a defensive

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Speaker 2: coach that's on the hot seat. I know eber Flus

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Speaker 2: was good down the stretch, but let's be honest, if

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Speaker 2: it doesn't work out, you know, if they go four

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Speaker 2: and thirteen, he's gonna get fired whatever. But also a

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Speaker 2: couple other things. One, obviously there's the Cliff Kingsbury thing

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Speaker 2: with the commanders. But I'm telling you, man, I just

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Speaker 2: think you're talking about a billionaire owner who just took

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Speaker 2: over this team. We know the team's history. I just

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Speaker 2: don't believe that that guy. His first big move is

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Speaker 2: to hire Dan Quinn, who like everybody likes, But that's

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Speaker 2: not really a home run. And now you're gonna bring

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Speaker 2: in Drake may or Jaden Daniels, which really is in

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Speaker 2: a home run. You have a hometown kid in Caleb

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Speaker 2: Williams from DC wants to be there. You've hired a

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Speaker 2: guy that he obviously has ties to, in Cliff Kingsbury

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Speaker 2: to run the offense. I think Washington's gonna have to

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Speaker 2: pay an arm in a leg. I don't know what

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Speaker 2: it was take to move up one spot to get

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Speaker 2: that number one pick, but I truly believe, in my

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Speaker 2: heart of hearts, Caleb doesn't want to be in Chicago.

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Speaker 2: Every sign is pointing to it, and I just don't

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Speaker 2: think Drake may or Jaden Daniels is flashy enough for

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Speaker 2: a new ownership group. Am I crazy for saying it?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 1: I mean no, you're not crazy because we just saw it.

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Speaker 1: We saw a number one pick swap last year, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like it doesn't get done. I

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Speaker 1: just think that it's it's it's gonna take so much

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Speaker 1: to take that pick from Chicago. They're doing a really

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Speaker 1: good job of trying to sell you that they believe

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Speaker 1: in Justin Fields. But I think they know what Justin

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Speaker 1: Fields is and they think and they know what he isn't.

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Speaker 1: But I also think they still think there are some

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Speaker 1: teams out there that believe they can be the one

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Speaker 1: for Justin Fields. And I saw it really spelled out

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Speaker 1: pretty closely, and I think they serve a twenty two

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Speaker 1: to twenty three general managers in the NFL. I think

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Speaker 1: ESPN did this over the last few weeks. I think

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Speaker 1: it was seventeen to five or something like that that

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Speaker 1: Caleb would be a Bear. And the biggest reason for

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Speaker 1: it what was because you couldn't give the Bears enough.

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Speaker 1: And a large part of it is the same just

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Speaker 1: logistical reason I've always given, which is you reset the

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Speaker 1: clock on that salary. Well, you get a quarterback with

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Speaker 1: a rookie contract at that point in time, as opposed

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Speaker 1: to feel too you have to pay next year. I

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Speaker 1: immediately saw one GM that said, point blank, you trade him.

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Speaker 1: You trade Fields to Atlanta for a third round pick,

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Speaker 1: and you move on. You draft Caleb Williams. It's just

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Speaker 1: that simple.

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Speaker 2: Well, let me jump in real quick. I didn't say

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Speaker 2: Justin Fields would be the starting quarterback in Chicago Bears

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Speaker 2: next year. I mean, if you're moving down to the

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Speaker 2: number two pick, and you're acquiring insane draft capital going

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Speaker 2: forward because Washington wants to make a splash, you could

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Speaker 2: still take either Drake May or Jaden Daniels at the

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Speaker 2: number two spot. So I didn't say I think Justin

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Speaker 2: Field is going to be the quarterback. I don't. I

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Speaker 2: just think, especially if you know he doesn't want to

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Speaker 2: be there, you know that Washington wants him because he's

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Speaker 2: the hometown kid. You know you still have the second pick.

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Speaker 2: You still obviously have your own pick at number nine

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Speaker 2: to get whoever it is help. And you know, I

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Speaker 2: think one thing you and I were texting about privately

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Speaker 2: this this afternoon, I think that receiver receiver group is

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Speaker 2: probably deeper than a lot of people give it credit for.

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Speaker 2: So you know, it's not just Marvin Harrison Junior, who

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Speaker 2: probably won't be available at nine. It's Roma Dunze, it's

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Speaker 2: Malik Neighbors. One of those guys is probably available at nine.

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Speaker 2: So I didn't say Justin Fields, I think is gonna be.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. I mean, yeah, I mean that's true. Again,

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Speaker 1: I just I mean maybe. I think it's a really

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Speaker 1: interesting theory. I do. I don't know if you're Caleb

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Speaker 1: Williams that you want to go play for Dan Quinn.

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Speaker 1: I understand the Kingsbury side of it, but I mean

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Speaker 1: I always go back to, Yeah, Okay, so he doesn't

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Speaker 1: want to be there. So you're gonna get Zion Williamson

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Speaker 1: in New Orleans, or you're gonna end up getting Jim

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Speaker 1: Kelly in Buffalo because Jim Kelly famously never wanted to

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Speaker 1: go to Buffalo because it was cold, and he got

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Speaker 1: dogged out by those fans early in his career, and

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Speaker 1: then he became the most beloved figure they've ever had there,

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Speaker 1: and he's cried and told the story about he was

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00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: so happy that he went this place he didn't want

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Speaker 1: to go, and all this kind of stuff, like you

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Speaker 1: never know, and the athletes are built differently and each

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Speaker 1: individual is different, and maybe there is a sense with

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Speaker 1: the Bears where they're just like, this guy's not going

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Speaker 1: to be dialed in and this is going to be

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Speaker 1: a problem because of certain makeup and his personality or whatever.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never spoken to Kallleb Williams, so

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Speaker 1: I have no idea what they might see or not see.

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Speaker 1: I just think unless they know for sure that he's

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Speaker 1: not going to play for them, if they think he's

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Speaker 1: the guy, you pull that trigger because you just said

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Speaker 1: it yourself. If the Commanders shouldn't be sold at two

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Speaker 1: on Jaden Daniels or on Drake May, then why would

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Speaker 1: Chicago do the same thing just to acquire a little

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Speaker 1: bit capital. I don't know, Like I just think that

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Speaker 1: if Caleb Williams is a transcendent talent that we've all

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Speaker 1: been told he is for so long, and if the

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00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: Bears feel that way, you just can't pass up on that.

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Speaker 1: Even though it's an unknown and you never know which

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Speaker 1: one of these guys ends up being the best, you

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Speaker 1: have to take your best guess. You got to take

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Speaker 1: your best swing. And I still believe that's Kayleb Williams

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Speaker 1: now and we'll do it later. But there's an argument

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Speaker 1: on the number two guy, no question about that. But

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Speaker 1: I'm not on this train of let's start dogging out

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Speaker 1: Kayleb Williams and trying to pick him apart. I just

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Speaker 1: think that right now is something easy to create column

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Speaker 1: space or segments on the radio. I think Caleb Williams

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Speaker 1: is still really really good, and I think the Bears

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Speaker 1: think so too, and I would take that risk unless

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Speaker 1: he's made it clear he's not going to play for you.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what, Jason, Well, that's interesting.

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Speaker 1: If it happens, I will I don't know, I'll do something, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean something for you. Okay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, well we still got a lot of time,

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Speaker 2: and you know we got a lot of time till

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Speaker 2: the draft. We also have two more hours to discuss

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Speaker 2: at all. So I'll tell you what. Why don't we

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00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 2: come back? Can continue this conversation because I think with

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Speaker 2: the combine now here, there are so many fascinating conversations.

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Speaker 2: I think, obviously, look by the way Caleb william should

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Speaker 2: he even be number one?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: By the way Jaydon Daniels and Drake May There's so

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Speaker 2: much going on. As I said, Xavier Worthy of course

805
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 2: set a combine record today. I saw Adam Schefter say

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Speaker 2: that Malik Neighbors is moving up a lot of people's boards.

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Speaker 2: So combine season is here, and there is so so,

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Speaker 2: so much to discuss, and I'm excited to do it

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Speaker 2: over the next two hours. So Air Torus Jason Martin

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Speaker 2: will come back. Caleb Versus Jada Daniels, Caleb Versus Drake

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Speaker 2: win probably does it for them. I think they're probably in.

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Speaker 2: But with that said, Jason, I do want to go

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Speaker 2: ahead switch gears and well not really switch gears. I

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Speaker 2: want to get back to where we were Prior to

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Speaker 2: the top of the hour. We were talking NFL combine,

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Speaker 2: and so we were talking a lot about Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 2: I gave you my half baked theory that I do

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Speaker 2: believe that he will end up some way, somehow as

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Speaker 2: a member of the Washington Commanders. But I want to

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Speaker 2: talk just bigger picture about Kayleb Williams and the you know,

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Speaker 2: the NFL draft should mention. By the way, Sharon did

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Speaker 2: chime in. She tweeted in I see too many red

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Speaker 2: flags with Caleb Williams. I would not want him drafted

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Speaker 2: by my team. If things he wants don't get done,

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Speaker 2: I see him sitting and pouting no thanks. So obviously,

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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams has sort of become a polarizing draft prospect

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Speaker 2: in many people's eyes because of some comments that he's made,

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Speaker 2: some comments that his dad has made, you know, some

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Speaker 2: of his actions. Whatever. I want to start by asking

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Speaker 2: you this, Jason, is I've seen you know, and so

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Speaker 2: like I said last hour, I said, I think that

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00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: the Chicago Bears may not really be forced to but

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Speaker 2: I think there's a scenario where they trade down one pick,

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Speaker 2: get either Jayden Daniels or Drake May or some other

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Speaker 2: quarterback whatever, it doesn't really matter at the number two spot.

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Speaker 2: I guess that's start by asking you this, Jason, do

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Speaker 2: you believe and you know, do you believe that Caleb

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Speaker 2: Williams is the best quarterback in this draft. There's been

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Speaker 2: some buzz now that some of the NFL people are

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Speaker 2: starting to break down the film that maybe Jayden Daniels

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Speaker 2: is a little bit closer than people thought. Obviously, Drake

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Speaker 2: May has all the tools. Michael Pennix had some really

856
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 2: big games in big spots, including in that college football semifinal.

857
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: Do you believe that there is a gap between Caleb

858
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 2: Williams and the rest of the field.

859
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: I don't know how big a gap. I still believe

860
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams is the best bet. And I think that's

861
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 1: the only way you can really talk about this because

862
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: none of us knows. We don't know exactly how it's

863
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: going to translate. We think we do. But what happened

864
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: to the split screens where we would see Kayleb Williams

865
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: and Patrick Mahomes over the last year, year and a half,

866
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: where you'd see the mechanics, and you'd hear Kirk kurb

867
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 1: Street or whoever it was, breaking them down and saying

868
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: they were that Caleb is so much like Mahomes but

869
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: more seasoned at his age, and all this stuff, like

870
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: we've heard all these things. Those things are true. We

871
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: don't need to have this argument. I do think that

872
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 1: the red flags that Sharon mentioned and all that kind

873
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: of stuff, it's really interesting the discourse surrounding Kayleb Williams.

874
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: I still leave Caleb Williams is the top guy in

875
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: this class. And Jayden Daniels could be outstanding and he

876
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: could end up being the best. Drake May could end

877
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: up being the best. Michael Pennix could end up being

878
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: the dress the best. JJ McCarthy could be the best.

879
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: We have no idea, but if but I don't think

880
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: you can operate under that. You just have to operate

881
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: under the best assumption that you have or the best

882
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: feeling that you have. And my gut tells me that

883
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: I haven't been lied to for the last two years

884
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: by my eyes or by the experts. And I think

885
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams is the guy.

886
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too, Jason, And I'll say this too,

887
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: is like and I think part of it is, you know, look,

888
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: we both love college football, but also we're on in

889
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 2: this shift when so many of those USC games they're on,

890
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 2: and I do think there's like a little bit of

891
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 2: a misnomer with some Caleb Williams stuff. Listen, by the way,

892
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 2: for the record, I agree with what Sharon said. I

893
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 2: think from the outside he does look at best a

894
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 2: little bit needy. At worst, you know, you know, a

895
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: negative you know, locker room presence whatever. I get that

896
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 2: first of all. I also haven't heard anything that he's

897
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: really said that would upset me that much. But he

898
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: does have a loud mouth father. And you know, we've

899
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 2: dealt with this. We've dealt with it with LeVar Ball,

900
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 2: we dealt with it this week with Lebron James, which

901
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 2: we'll talk about later on in the show with Brody

902
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: Like but you know, everyone who's been around Caleb seems

903
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 2: to like him. And the other thing too, that that

904
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 2: did really bother me, And it was kind of amazing

905
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: because we were on air when it happened and I

906
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: didn't think anything of it, and then it became a

907
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 2: story later on. But after that Washington game, when he

908
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: went to the stands and kind of cried in his

909
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 2: mom's arms, and it kind of became a discourse the

910
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 2: next couple of days. And I just found that weird

911
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 2: because again we were on air, we watched that game.

912
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: He played one of the best games of his career.

913
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 2: He left it all on the field. His defense gives

914
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 2: up fifty two points and if I remember correctly, I

915
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 2: think they gave up. That was the game that got

916
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 2: Alex Scrinch fired. They gave up like seven yards of

917
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: rush I think seven hundred and fifty yards of offense

918
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 2: or something like that. And I and by the way,

919
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: that was also kind of the game that it was like, Okay,

920
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: they lost that game. Basically everything they were playing for

921
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 2: was done. No PAC twelve regular season, no Pac twelve

922
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 2: you know, no PAC twelve championship, no no major bowl

923
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 2: game whatever. And so I will say I do believe

924
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 2: some of the discourse with him has been unfair. And

925
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 2: again we don't know him. Maybe he is a little

926
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 2: harder to deal with behind the scenes. But I think,

927
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 2: like to me, like the whole crying on the sidelines

928
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: I thought was totally unfair.

929
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: Wait, you know what, you know what else and what

930
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: you're saying just kind of brought this to my attention.

931
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: It is weird to see somebody that's that good and

932
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: has talked and has been talked about on television for

933
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: years for how great he is as a player.

934
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: It is weird to see.

935
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: Him not be protected at all from stuff like this.

936
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: Like we've seen a lot of guys come into the

937
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 1: NFL where you know this as well as I do, Aaron,

938
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,399
Speaker 1: there's stuff behind the scenes that we hear about these

939
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: guys and their work ethic or their attitude and all

940
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: this stuff, and a lot of it ends up coming

941
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: true in the NFL, but we don't know about it

942
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: ahead of time. In terms of the public, we hear

943
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: about it because we'll talk to you know whoever at

944
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: this program, or we'll get this information or whatever like that,

945
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: because that's part of the job. But then we just

946
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 1: watch and we see whether or not it ends up

947
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: taking place, and then we have a good anecdote to say, yeah,

948
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: you know, two years ago, I heard this and da

949
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: da da da da dah Kat Williams. So there's like

950
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: no filter. There's nothing that stops anything negative that could

951
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: be said about him from coming out. It's really weird

952
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: to me that they have not done a better job

953
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: at just kind of protecting him in some ways from

954
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: some of this stuff. It just seems like all of

955
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 1: this finds its way out. Everything the guy says, everything

956
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: his dad says, everything gets magnified in a way that

957
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: I it just had Maybe there just hasn't been that

958
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: much from these guys in the past that you could

959
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: have done this with. But I know a lot of

960
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 1: it occasions where a lot of guys could have walked

961
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: in with a lot more red flags and did not

962
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: because some of this stuff got either covered up or

963
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: just hush hushed, And none of it seems to with

964
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams.

965
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 2: Well, and I'll say this too, is that it's very clear.

966
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 2: And again we don't know the dad, we don't know

967
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: the family, and I think the dad is trying to

968
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 2: do what is best for him, but it doesn't help

969
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 2: that you can't really get access to him. And I'm

970
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 2: not being like the big Jay like, oh I deserve

971
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: a sit down whatever, But most of the narratives and

972
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 2: the conversations either come from the dad on the record

973
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 2: or off the record things about his dad. I don't

974
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 2: know if you saw this this week, but there was

975
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 2: a big athletic article where basically they went through all

976
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 2: the dad's stuff of you know, basically he was interviewing

977
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 2: essentially agents and basically saying, is there any way we

978
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 2: can get out of a rookie contract early or like? Basically,

979
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,959
Speaker 2: he's very involved. I think it's what's best for a son.

980
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 2: But I also do think it is at the detri

981
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 2: mint of Caleb Williams that he really he doesn't really

982
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 2: tell his own story except in super prepackaged stuff where

983
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 2: it's clear that everything is being you know, scripted. And

984
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 2: I'll just give you a quick example. I just mentioned

985
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 2: Lvar Ball. Listen, Bill could criticize LaVar for whatever, but

986
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 2: I had you know, and listen, I think a lot

987
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 2: of people know this, but some people probably don't. But

988
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 2: you know, college hoops is my thing. And like LeVar,

989
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,919
Speaker 2: you could get access to Lonzo and LaMelo and and

990
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: all his kids, and you know, I mean, he definitely

991
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 2: wanted a certain message out there, but it was never

992
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: if you wanted Lonzo. I mean, listen, I interviewed Lonzo

993
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 2: at UCLA. Lonzo was available at media availability every week.

994
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 2: I interviewed LaMelo when he was in high school. It

995
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 2: was like there was never this, like you you can't

996
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 2: get access to him now as time went on, obviously

997
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 2: things changed and whatever. But at least with Lonzo and

998
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: again maybe maybe I shouldn't use the two younger ones

999
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 2: because it got really weird they went overseas, whatever. But

1000
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 2: with Lonzo, he was at the podium every week for UCLA.

1001
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 2: They have a media availability every week. He was available

1002
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 2: every week. He answered questions every week. He didn't really

1003
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 2: have much to say, he didn't give great answers, but

1004
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,439
Speaker 2: you could get access to him, and I think that's

1005
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 2: something that again, I think it's just the kind of

1006
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 2: the media climate that we're in right now, where everything

1007
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 2: is scripted, everything is manufactured, and it's like I don't

1008
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 2: think it's been at the benefit of Caleb Williams, where

1009
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 2: we never really get to hear from Caleb Williams himself,

1010
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 2: as opposed to again it's either a written interview with

1011
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 2: his dad or it's off the record stuff. It's just

1012
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 2: I think that's an interesting commentary by you.

1013
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: Jason. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think your explanation is excellent,

1014
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: and I think that you know, we had a similar

1015
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: conversation like this last year about somebody else was really

1016
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: really good, but maybe needed to check somebody in their family.

1017
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: And these two guys aren't comparable because of you know,

1018
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: the circumstances that surrounded this other guy. But John Morant's dad, Like,

1019
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,479
Speaker 1: eventually you got to tell your dad back off, sure,

1020
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 1: like this is not your stardom here, like you were

1021
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: harming me. Get out of the spotlight. Stop being enabling

1022
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: this kind of behavior and all this kind of stuff.

1023
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: Won't you be my dad and support me behind the

1024
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: scenes At some point, Kayleb Williams gonna have to stand

1025
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: up if this If this stuff and what you're saying

1026
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: is right, like this the limited access, the way it's

1027
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: so carefully controlled, and it feels so artificial and so

1028
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: professional and business like. It's like there's no down to

1029
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: earth with Caleb Williams. And it's not because maybe Caleb is.

1030
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: It's because he's so tightly he's almost like a puppet

1031
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: on a string with his team, like he's he's certainly

1032
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: the prize. But who is it that's kind of doing

1033
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 1: everything behind the scenes. If it's his dad, Caitlin's gonna

1034
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: have to stand up and take control of his own life.

1035
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: If that's what's happening. If that's part of this, then

1036
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,280
Speaker 1: somebody in his life, whether it's his agent or somebody,

1037
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: needs to say, Okay, we need to change a strategy

1038
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: and the strategy. He just needs to be Caleb. Why

1039
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 1: don't you just go be you? Man. It's your life.

1040
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: You're an adult, You're about to be more rich than

1041
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: you ever dreamed. Stop letting other people in your life

1042
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: derail you. Somebody's gonna have to tell him that. I

1043
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: don't know if he's got that person in a circle

1044
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 1: now or not, but you know, I've heard Caleb Williams

1045
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,240
Speaker 1: talk at times, and he sounds thoughtful, an he sounds obviously.

1046
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: We know his football IQ is very high, but he's

1047
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: got he's got the world potentially in front of him,

1048
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: and he also has the world on his shoulders. But

1049
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,439
Speaker 1: he may need to, you know, back elbow somebody off

1050
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 1: his back a little bit so that he can live

1051
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 1: his own Life's that's the only thing I would fear

1052
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: if I were one of these teams. It's just I

1053
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: don't need his dad around my facility. I don't need

1054
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: his dad in the office, in the meeting rooms. I

1055
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: don't need his dad going to I don't know the

1056
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: Chicago Tribune, Chicago Sun Times, which everyone's still around, or

1057
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: the Washington or whatever like that, if he doesn't like

1058
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: something that's happening with the wide receivers or the tight

1059
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: end just it's like, I need to know that your

1060
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 1: dad's not a part of the deal. This is not

1061
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: a just not a combo deal. I'm not drafting your dad.

1062
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: I'm drafted Caleb Williams because Caleb Williams is exquisite on

1063
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: football field, and I think he can win championships and

1064
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: I think we can work magic together. But Pops is

1065
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: gonna have to take a back seat in order to

1066
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: make me feel comfortable about that.

1067
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 2: And it'll be interesting to see over these next couple weeks, months, years,

1068
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 2: et cetera. Because I will say there's been a lot

1069
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 2: of examples of guys like this where dad is very

1070
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 2: involved early. You know, LaVar is probably the most famous one,

1071
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 2: LaVar Ball and Lonzo, and you know, LaVar kind of

1072
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 2: backed off. You know, Kyler Murray's dad was very involved

1073
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 2: early and he kind of backed off. So we'll see,

1074
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 2: but I do think there is something to that. Caleb Williams,

1075
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 2: you know, you're a grown man now, you know, you're

1076
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,799
Speaker 2: going to be the face of a franchise. And by

1077
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 2: the way, what we're saying is essentially what I think

1078
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 2: every NFL team that has a realistic chance of drafting

1079
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 2: him is, which is basically like, we believe in the talent.

1080
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 2: And this was again The Athletic did a big article

1081
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: this week that I read where basically the insinuation was

1082
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 2: like everyone can see the talent, they just kind of

1083
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 2: want to know exactly what's going on behind the scenes.

1084
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 2: And to be clear, I don't think anybody believes that

1085
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 2: the dad has anything other than what he believes to

1086
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: be his son's best interest at heart. But at the

1087
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 2: same time, as you said, Jason, sometimes dad has to

1088
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 2: step away. Fox Sports Radio aer Tors Jason Martin, broadcasting

1089
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,720
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1090
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1093
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1094
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1095
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1096
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Speaker 2: right after we get off air. Coming up, we just

1097
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 2: spent a lot of time talking about Caleb Williams. But

1098
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 2: there is another quarterback who is quite possibly even more

1099
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 2: polar rising who might go higher than you expect should

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Speaker 2: he though. We'll discuss that next Fox Sports Ready, Welcome

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00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 2: back everybody, Fox Sports Radio. Eric Torres Jasbart broadcasting live

1102
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 2: from Thetireraq dot com studios. One last Caleb Williams thing

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00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: Jason before we switch gears to another quarterback. So Sharon, again,

1104
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 2: we appreciate you listening, Sharon, she just tweeted in. One

1105
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 2: thing I find very problematic is Kaleb Williams is refusing

1106
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 2: to go through medicals at the Combine. I forget who

1107
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 2: said it on FSR today, but they said it had

1108
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 2: never happened before at the Combine. Okay, so this is

1109
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 2: actually very interesting. And again this goes to a little

1110
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 2: bit of my background covering college basketball in the NBA.

1111
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 2: So this is actually very common in the NBA when

1112
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 2: you don't want to go to a certain team, you

1113
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 2: don't release the medicals. And this has actually been a

1114
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 2: very big point of contention in like collective bargaining negotiations

1115
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 2: and stuff agents want to condosort of control, stuff the

1116
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 2: owners want obviously medical access. But I remember it was

1117
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,959
Speaker 2: about six seven years ago. There was like one year

1118
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 2: that I think it was like one of the top twenty,

1119
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:14,280
Speaker 2: you know, projected picks in the draft. Basically like nineteen

1120
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 2: of the top twenty picks of the draft refuse to

1121
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 2: release their medicals to the Sacramento Kings. It was like

1122
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 2: one of those years where they were really bad and

1123
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 2: they were a total mess. And so I bring it

1124
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 2: up because I think that kind of plays into my

1125
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 2: why I think Caleb Williams could potentially be trying to

1126
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 2: force his way out of Chicago is basically, yeah, you

1127
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 2: could draft me, but but you know it's going to

1128
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 2: be a total crapshoot if there's something wrong you don't know,

1129
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 2: why don't you Why don't you just trade back to

1130
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 2: the number two spot, get the guy you want and

1131
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 2: you know, get the guy that you know a little

1132
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 2: bit more about whatever. So I want to hit on that, Jason,

1133
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,399
Speaker 2: but we can kind of move on. But I thought

1134
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 2: that was an interesting point by Sharon.

1135
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. I mean, that's good. There's one quote

1136
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: from the Athletic article. I was checking it out during

1137
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: the breakout and I had a chance to read it,

1138
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: but it says Carl meaning is Carl choallenged several potential

1139
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: representatives at maning Agents to find loopholes in a collective

1140
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: bargaining agreement between the league and the players union, but

1141
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 1: the answers he received were unsatisfying. None could show him

1142
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,879
Speaker 1: a way out of the four year rookie contract term

1143
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: and fifth year option for first round picks, and basically

1144
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: that he discarded all those people. So he's trying to

1145
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: go against where it appears like he's trying to find

1146
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: a way to go against a CBA, and that right

1147
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: there is Well, that increases the chance of a holdout,

1148
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: increases a lot of different things. I looked at a

1149
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: couple of like responses from lawyers and things like that.

1150
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: There's a little bit of wig room, but a not

1151
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: a lot. They're asking for impossible stuff. So I mean, look,

1152
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: your theory, if it comes true, there's going to be

1153
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 1: a paper trail that could lead you there, because it

1154
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: does seem like they're doing everything in the world to

1155
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: make themselves appear toxic.

1156
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 2: Well, I think the the I saw so I saw

1157
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 2: that too, the thing about you know, hiring lawyers, I

1158
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 2: actually took that as a different way, because basically, the

1159
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 2: the you know, they haven't hired an agent. Basically, you know,

1160
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 2: they said, you know, hey, we're locked into this four

1161
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:17,439
Speaker 2: year contract, fifth year option, whatever. And my read on

1162
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 2: that was basically they were basically saying to these agents, Okay,

1163
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 2: if you want to get hired, prove to us that

1164
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 2: you can get us more money and get us out

1165
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 2: of this this rookie deal. Now, obviously, you know, the

1166
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 2: NFL has really good lawyers too, that wrote all of

1167
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 2: this stuff, which is why, which is why no lawyer,

1168
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 2: no agent could figure that out. So I I do

1169
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 2: think they are pushing I think Caleb Williams camp. I

1170
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 2: want to be careful not blaming Caleb Williams with a

1171
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 2: wide ranging brush. I do think Caleb Williams camps. What

1172
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 2: I would say is everything that has been accepted as

1173
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 2: just well that's the way it goes. I think they're

1174
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 2: pushing to see is that actually accurate. You know, It's like,

1175
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 2: you know, Jacon, you led the show by saying, you

1176
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 2: know that you know you're you're a couple of weeks

1177
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 2: away from having your second child. Well it's like it's

1178
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,080
Speaker 2: like a kid, It's like, well why is that? Well,

1179
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,440
Speaker 2: why is that, Well, why is that? And I feel

1180
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: like that's essentially what Carl Williams is doing, is this

1181
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 2: is the way these twenty five things have always been

1182
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 2: done in the NFL. Do they all have to be

1183
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 2: done that way? Or is there some way we can

1184
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 2: get around it?

1185
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: And that's fair?

1186
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1187
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's fair. I mean the one argument

1188
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:35,640
Speaker 1: you could make this similar and I saw a few

1189
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: people say this and it kind of backs up what

1190
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: you were saying. Is just Carl Williams, if he's looking

1191
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: at it from his perspective, he is saying, I mean,

1192
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: why do we need to hire an agent because you

1193
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: can't do anything we can't do exactly, like if you

1194
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: can't find a loophole that we can't find. It's not

1195
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: like I can't or my legal team or whatever like that.

1196
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: It's not like we're not gonna get kid Williams every

1197
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: cent that he can get, So why bother hiring an

1198
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: agent at that point in time? And that's an interesting

1199
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: theory and honestly it's true, Like Carl Williams is right,

1200
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 1: it's not as if an agent's going to get him

1201
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: more money on a rookie contract. He says, all right,

1202
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: you need to do something that we're incapable of doing

1203
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: without you. And at that point that makes a lot

1204
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: more sense to me, Like, if I go at it

1205
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: from that angle, Carl Williams is actually coming at it

1206
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: from a fairly logical perspective.

1207
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, and that was my read on that as well.

1208
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: That's good by you. I hadn't thought about it. But

1209
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: as soon as you start saying, I'm like, okay, yep,

1210
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: that makes sense.

1211
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll tell you what, Jason, Let's do something different

1212
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 2: since I want to get into a lengthy conversation about

1213
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 2: a different quarterback. We'll get to him momentarily, but I

1214
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:45,919
Speaker 2: want to get to our quarterback, the star of our show,

1215
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 2: our number one overall pick, who gives us no drama.

1216
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 2: Steve Desager never never tried to get out of a

1217
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 2: contract and hired lawyers. Anyway, slightly less drama from this corner.

1218
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Speaker 5: At the NFL Scouted Combine Today, wide receiver Xavier Worthy

1219
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 5: of Text ran a forty yard dash in four point

1220
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 5: two one seconds, the best in at least twenty years.

1221
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 5: There the forty nine ers are promoting Dick Sorenson to

1222
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 5: defensive coordinator. In the NBA feature matchup, Denver wonted six

1223
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 5: straight game, beating the Lakers in LA one twenty four

1224
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 5: to one fourteen. Nikola Jokic thirty five points. Jamal Murray

1225
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 5: started had twenty four points. He'd been questionable with the

1226
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 5: sprained ankle. Nuggets led by one with about three minutes left.

1227
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 5: Denver's now defeated the Lakers eight straight games. Lebron James

1228
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 5: had twenty six points in defeat. He is over forty

1229
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 5: thousand career points. Houston and Miami each one Brooklyn and

1230
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 5: Portland with wins.

1231
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 2: Now.

1232
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 5: The Blazers had just ended a nine game losing streak

1233
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:45,000
Speaker 5: last night at Memphis. Blazers won in overtime at Memphis

1234
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 5: tonight one oh seven, one hundred Grizzlies or what's left

1235
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,440
Speaker 5: of them, have lost five in a row. If you've

1236
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 5: seen Memphis, well you don't recognize a single player on

1237
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 5: the court.

1238
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 2: Let's just hit it were you in that day. I

1239
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 2: was working one Sunday afternoon and they were down. I

1240
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 2: forget that. I think they almost beat somebody, but it

1241
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 2: was like we went through the run. That would be news.

1242
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 2: I should remember this. It was so bad. It was

1243
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 2: like I'm a college basketball guy and I hadn't heard of,

1244
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 2: like four of the guys on their own.

1245
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 5: The starting lineup for the Grizzlies tonight was Lamar Stevens,

1246
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:24,120
Speaker 5: Santia Idama, Zaire Williams, Jordan Goodwin, and Vince Williams Junior.

1247
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 5: That was an NBA starting five in Memphis.

1248
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: To me, No, it wasn't.

1249
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 2: Yes, it was. I'm not kidding.

1250
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: You could have told me that was a WNBA roster

1251
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: and I still would.

1252
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 2: Have said, I mean, or the Saint Mary's game today.

1253
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 2: I think I can name two of those colleges, and

1254
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 2: I'm a pretty big college hoops guy. Vince Williams Junior

1255
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 2: is someone I've never heard of before.

1256
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't even mention the you know, bench players

1257
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 5: that were getting minutes, you know, Matt Hurt, et cetera.

1258
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 5: Matt Hurt, Dookie not a very good one. But Jaron

1259
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 5: Jackson of Memphis out again with a sore quad. By

1260
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 5: the way, for Portland, DeAndre Aiden was out again with

1261
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 5: a sprained hand. The late game in college hoops top

1262
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 5: twenty five matchup at Saint Mary's went to Gonzaga, and

1263
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 5: I agree with you, they're probably in the tournament now.

1264
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 5: Seventy to fifty seven the final in the Bay Area

1265
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 5: to end the West Coast Conference regular season. Saint Mary's

1266
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 5: was fifteen. And oh, do those two teams.

1267
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: Play each other ten times a year? It seems like

1268
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: they're on every Saturday when we're on the air, and

1269
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, cool, Gonzaga Saint Mary's. It's a little

1270
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: like the Duke.

1271
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 5: North Duke North Carolina always play each other for a

1272
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 5: second time late in the year. You've already seen it

1273
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:28,600
Speaker 5: once and then a week later they play in the

1274
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 5: conference tournament.

1275
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1276
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 2: Well, I will say it's two games, like, it's two

1277
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 2: Gonzaga games that are guaranteed to be on TV because

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Speaker 2: the rest of that leader best thirty point mediocre. But

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Speaker 2: still it does feel like And by the way, they'll

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Speaker 2: probably play in the conference championship game in about two

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Speaker 2: weeks from now.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Next Saturday is the quarterfinals of the WCC Tournament.

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Speaker 5: But Gonzaga's record twenty four and six right now, and

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Speaker 5: they are ranked twenty third in the country. This week

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Speaker 5: eighteenth ranks South Carolina beat number twenty four Florida eighty

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Speaker 5: two to seventy six. Coming up Wednesday, South Carolina against

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Speaker 5: Tennessee with a week left and the regular season. The

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Speaker 5: fourth ranked Balls are now alone and first in the

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Speaker 5: SEC after winning at number fourteen Alabama tonight eighty one

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Speaker 5: seventy four volunteers one game over South Carolina and Bama

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Speaker 5: in the standings. Tennessee's final two games at South Carolina

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Speaker 5: and then against Kentucky sixteenth rank. Kentucky won its game

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Speaker 5: against Darkansas one eleven to one oh two, and Kentucky

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Speaker 5: trailed by nine points with under nine minutes left. Number

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Speaker 5: one Houston a winner on a last second jumper at

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Speaker 5: Oklahoma eighty seven eighty five, and two games on Fox

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Speaker 5: TV daytime. Twelfth rank Creighton beat number five Marquette eighty

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Speaker 5: nine seventy five. Creighton's next and final game of their

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Speaker 5: regular season is next Saturday at Villanova on Fox. Number

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Speaker 5: two per Due at home Tonight won its game on

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Speaker 5: Fox TV against Michigan State eighty to seventy four All

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Speaker 5: American center Zachie Eaty with thirty two points. The Michigan

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Speaker 5: State Spartans just nine and nine in conference play. A reminder,

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Speaker 5: NASCAR's on Fox TV again tomorrow from Las Vegas three

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Speaker 5: thirty pm Eastern time. Today's Infinity Race went to John Hunter,

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Speaker 5: NIMA check back to you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Steve Disager, Fox Sports Radio, Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Saturday Sunday, depending on where you are. Era toors

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Speaker 2: Day smartinbroadcasting live from the Tyreck dot Com studios. The

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Speaker 2: Saga will rejoin us in just a few moments with

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Speaker 2: his extended update. Before we get to it, though, Jason,

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Speaker 2: I'll say this, So, there's a quarterback in this draft

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01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 2: that has created quite a bit of waves over the

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01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 2: last couple of weeks, and he's won. I know that

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01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 2: I don't really have a strong opinion on I don't

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01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 2: have it like an I don't. I could see it

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01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 2: going one of two ways, and we can get into

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Speaker 2: it in a minute. But I think you do. And

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Speaker 2: I want to bring him up because he is a

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01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 2: guy that a lot of people seem to be projecting

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Speaker 2: to go to your team, the Denver Broncos. That is

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01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy of Michigan, who of course won a lot

1323
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 2: of games, but also had a great defense, had a

1324
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 2: great run game, had a great old line. A lot

1325
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 2: wasn't put on his shoulders. He wasn't great in big games.

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Speaker 2: What do you make of it? Feels like it went

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01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 2: you know, I even saw somebody you might have sent

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01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 2: it to me where it's like, well, I had a

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01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 2: third round great out him coming into this week, but whatever,

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Speaker 2: it seems like he's gonna go in the first round. Jason,

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Speaker 2: what do you make of this recent search.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting just because I didn't see it happening at

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01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: the beginning of the year, and I know he won

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01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 1: a championship, and he would make a couple of plays

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01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: per game where you're just where he could wow you,

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01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 1: like the thread the needle throw against Ohio State, for example,

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01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 1: into the end zone maybe one of the great plays,

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01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: maybe the best play I saw him making his entire

1339
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: college career. But we're talking about going twelve overall. Here

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Speaker 1: you got the Vikings picking at eleven, and I think

1341
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 1: the Raiders are picking at thirteen. And by the way,

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01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 1: a lot of people I see now Pennicks being moved

1343
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,320
Speaker 1: towards Oakland or towards Vegas. I should say you could

1344
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 1: technically see the two quarterbacks from the National Championship game

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01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: go back to back at twelve and thirteen. I don't

1346
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 1: know that I think that's gonna happen, but I've seen

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01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: it from multiple places that mock for a living, and

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01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 1: usually I mock the mockers because I think a lot

1349
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 1: of this is to generate content. But we are getting

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01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: to the point where when I keep seeing it everywhere,

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01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 1: it does have my attention. And JJ McCarthy's name is everywhere,

1352
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 1: So you tell me, Aaron, I mean, we watch college

1353
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: football religiously. It's our time slot, it's our baby. We'd

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Speaker 1: love it. And I don't know what to make of

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01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy as a pro prospect. I have no idea.

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01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 1: I mean, he's a rookie quarterback. I like him as

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01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: a kid. I like him as a young man. I

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01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 1: like some of the things he said. I like the

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01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: way he carries himself. I like his confidence. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot to like about JJ McCarthy. I don't know that

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01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: I see transcendent quarterback talent, but again, you just never

1362
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 1: know if they like the guy. I know, they've got

1363
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 1: to move on from russ and where they are unless

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01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 1: they're gonna give up a ton of appol to try

1365
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: to get up higher because of the circumstances they find

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Speaker 1: themselves in. If he's sitting there at twelve, they're gonna

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01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 1: take a quarterback, you would think. I just find it

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Speaker 1: interesting that it seems so universal, like almost everywhere I look,

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01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 1: it's JJ McCarthy to Denver, Like it's just a done

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Speaker 1: deal that as long as he doesn't get picked beforehand,

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Speaker 1: he's going to Denver. And like, I'm certainly gonna give

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Speaker 1: it a shot. I just don't know what it is

1373
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: yet because I still haven't seen like the unleashed, unlocked

1374
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Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy. I never saw that stuff at Michigan that

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Speaker 1: we were just oh, he was definitely gonna take Kate

1376
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: mcnamary's job, and then he's gonna start throwing for four

1377
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Speaker 1: hundred yards a game, and that's not really the way

1378
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Speaker 1: that they played. And if that's what they're gonna ask

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Speaker 1: him to do in the NFL, I just I don't

1380
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Speaker 1: know what that looks like, just because I've never seen

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Speaker 1: him do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's a great point. On the back end,

1383
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 2: there is the idea that basically it's impossible to know

1384
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 2: it's impossible to know what a ceiling is because he

1385
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:57,640
Speaker 2: was never asked and he never had to kind of

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01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 2: carry a team. My only thought is I don't believe,

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Speaker 2: like like I have no strong opinion about it, Like

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01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 2: I do think that if I was drafting, I'd probably, like,

1389
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 2: you know, Michael Pennock's a little bit more, assuming that

1390
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 2: the medicals come back clean. Obviously, Caleb Williams, obviously, Jaden Daniels,

1391
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:20,719
Speaker 2: Drake May obviously has more physical gifts than JJ McCarthy.

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01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 2: The only thing I will say, and I don't have

1393
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 2: the stats in front of me, but there is a

1394
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 2: pretty direct parallel between JJ McCarthy playing pretty well when

1395
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 2: Jim Harball was on the sidelines and his play getting

1396
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 2: a little bit sloppy when Jim Harball was on sidelines

1397
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 2: that you could certainly argue towards the back end of

1398
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 2: the season. He was also playing two elite defenses, which

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01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 2: is probably why the stats weren't as good when he

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Speaker 2: played Penn State in Ohio State. So that's one thing

1401
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 2: that I don't think has I've heard really discussed with

1402
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy. And it's not an excuse, but it's just

1403
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 2: I mean, if you took Caylin de Boor off the

1404
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 2: sidelines for six of Michael penny His twelve regular season games,

1405
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,560
Speaker 2: like would he have put up the same stats with

1406
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,439
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels. I mean, he probably would have won the Heisman,

1407
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 2: But like if Brian Kelly was not available for six games,

1408
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 2: and the play caller then had to become the interim

1409
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 2: head coach. Like would that, like would Jayden Daniels have

1410
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 2: been as good? And by the way, it wasn't just

1411
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 2: in six games. It happened to be among them by far,

1412
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 2: the two biggest games of the season, So that that

1413
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:32,840
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that because Jim Harbaugh wasn't there that it

1414
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 2: definitively means that we didn't see the best of JJ McCarthy.

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01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 2: It just means that I'm willing to give him a

1416
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 2: little bit more of a pass now. And what's interesting

1417
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 2: too with McCarthy, and I struggle with this. I mean,

1418
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:48,840
Speaker 2: Harbaugh just raves about him, and I struggle because is

1419
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,559
Speaker 2: it Harbaugh raving because it's not only the guy that

1420
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 2: won him the national championship, but just that it's his guy?

1421
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 2: Or does he really believe and does he know better

1422
01:10:58,120 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 2: than the rest of us because he was around the

1423
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:02,880
Speaker 2: guy every day for three years? So that's another variable.

1424
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 2: Where like Harbaugh, it feels like every time he's in

1425
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 2: front of a camera seems to go out of his

1426
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 2: way to talk about how awesome JJ McCarthy is. But again,

1427
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 2: I think most most coaches, if you put a camera

1428
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:16,840
Speaker 2: in front of them, would do the same for their guys.

1429
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 2: So that's that's a little bit what throws me off

1430
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 2: on that.

1431
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean again, I just haven't seen a lot

1432
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 1: of it. But Nick bomb Gardner, who covers Michigan for

1433
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 1: The Athletic and who actually went to mi alma mater

1434
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 1: at Western Kentucky and was a be writer there for

1435
01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:33,439
Speaker 1: a while. I have a lot of respect for Nick

1436
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 1: and his ability, and he loves JJ McCarthy and he

1437
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 1: says he's not going to get out of the top fifteen.

1438
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 1: I think in his I think he wrote about him

1439
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 1: today or yesterday. He says his test and inveryview, is

1440
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,719
Speaker 1: going to be phenomenal in Andy. He's great on the run,

1441
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:51,640
Speaker 1: he's got woe throws all through his film, even though

1442
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 1: he's got some hiccups, but he's just he's just got

1443
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: a ton of good to go along with a little

1444
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 1: bit of the bad, especially at his age. And so

1445
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 1: he loves him, and that makes me feel good. I'm

1446
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 1: excited about what it could be. There's a lot to

1447
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 1: like about JJ McCarthy. I just haven't seen enough of

1448
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:10,880
Speaker 1: just the take over a game but I also haven't

1449
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:14,440
Speaker 1: seen the give away a whole lot of games, obviously

1450
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 1: because of the success that he's had. I just want

1451
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: to see what it looks like when more of it

1452
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 1: is focused on him and not on Blake Korum and

1453
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 1: the defense, because the quarterbacks got to get the job done.

1454
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: In the NFL. It can't just be the defense. It

1455
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 1: can't just be the run game. You got to have

1456
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 1: all these factors, and so I just think the jury's

1457
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 1: a little bit out, But if Denver ends up with him,

1458
01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 1: I will certainly be optimistic about it and feel okay

1459
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:45,840
Speaker 1: about at least I just saw the guy win a

1460
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,240
Speaker 1: national championship and far Ball saying good things about him.

1461
01:12:48,240 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 1: There's no reason he would be going out of his

1462
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:52,839
Speaker 1: way to say good stuff about him unless he actually

1463
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 1: believed in him. So I think he's trying to help

1464
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: him out. But at the same time, I think he's

1465
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 1: trying to help out somebody he thinks deserves an opportunity.

1466
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 1: Although this and he's playing in his division against.

1467
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,320
Speaker 2: Him, I'll say this, I'll wrap on this. Certainly think

1468
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 2: he's the most intriguing quarterback of all of them. For

1469
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 2: this reason is it feels like there's one guy that

1470
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:13,680
Speaker 2: just becomes a media story every year and it's like, oh,

1471
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 2: I mean that guy could go top five, that guy, Yeah,

1472
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 2: and then they end up just and sometimes they do,

1473
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,719
Speaker 2: and then sometimes they just end up like completely plummeting

1474
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, he was a third rounder all along,

1475
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 2: and that was just a media creation. And like, I

1476
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 2: don't think of the other marquee guys like like Drake

1477
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,600
Speaker 2: may falling beyond like five would be shocking to me.

1478
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 2: But I could see JJ McCarthy going somewhere like right

1479
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 2: outside the top ten. And I could also see him

1480
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 2: not being going in the first round. And I don't

1481
01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 2: think i'd be surprised by either. Yeah, Fox Sports, yeah's right.

1482
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 2: I mean i'd say bo Nicks is probably in that category. Two.

1483
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what Bonnix is gonna be in

1484
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:51,360
Speaker 1: the pros.

1485
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with that. Fox Sports Radio enter towards

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Speaker 2: Jason Martin, broadcasting from the Tireck dot Com studios, will

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Speaker 2: come back, toss it over the news desk to Sega

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01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:02,639
Speaker 2: with his extent update. We do it every week around

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Speaker 2: twelve forty five Eastern.

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Speaker 1: That's next.

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back, everybody, Fox sports radio aer

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01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:13,560
Speaker 2: tourist Jason Martin broadcasting live from the tyreck dot Com studios,

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01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 2: And as we do every week around this time, do

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01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:18,639
Speaker 2: you want to toss it? Over the news desk? Steve

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01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 2: de Sega with our extended update to Saga Take it away, guys.

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Speaker 5: Caitlin Clark's last regular season home game at Iowa is

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01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 5: on Fox TV tomorrow, one pm Eastern Time, Number two

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01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 5: Ohio State at number six Iowa. Those two went at

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01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:34,599
Speaker 5: it went to overtime about a month and a half ago.

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01:14:35,120 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 5: Turns out there's quite a score in women's basketball at

1501
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 5: the small college level, and she just ended her career

1502
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 5: for a school in Saint Louis. Tonight from the NAI level,

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01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 5: Grace Bayer had thirty three points, but her team loss

1504
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:52,160
Speaker 5: in a conference tournament semifinal, so her career is done.

1505
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 5: She finished with close to four thousand points scored. Kaitlin

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01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 5: Clark has three thousand and six fifty going into tomorrow.

1507
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 5: This player buyer plays for the University of Health Sciences

1508
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:07,800
Speaker 5: and Pharmacy in Saint Louis, which I had to look

1509
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 5: up as a private institution founded in the eighteen hundreds

1510
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 5: with an enrollment a year ago. Of two fifty five. Wow,

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01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:19,160
Speaker 5: that's that's for those scoring at home two hundred and

1512
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 5: fifty five. The best part is it turns out their

1513
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 5: team nicknames the Utectics. The uhsp U Tectics, which I

1514
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 5: looked up is a mixture of substances having to do

1515
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 5: with chemistry. And it's a pharmacy school. So there you go.

1516
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:43,000
Speaker 5: What's her name, uh, Grace Bayer. Nearly four thousand career points,

1517
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,080
Speaker 5: which is the Naia Women's.

1518
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:47,799
Speaker 2: Can't believe somebody in tamper to get her to transfer?

1519
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 2: I mean, do we not have nil and women's that's right.

1520
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 2: They got to give her some sort of pharmacy disc can.

1521
01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 1: How many people you said were at that school?

1522
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 2: That is two fifty.

1523
01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: Five, So it's only about forty points less than the

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01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 1: East scord in the All Star Game two weeks ago.

1525
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:05,639
Speaker 5: If you want to compare numbers, there you go. Yes,

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01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 5: they were over two hundred. As we head toward men's

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01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:12,719
Speaker 5: March Madness, the first conference tournament, Final Division one next Saturday.

1528
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 5: The Ohio Valley Conference Selection Sunday for the NCAA Tournament

1529
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 5: is Sunday, March seventeenth, so only a couple weeks away.

1530
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 5: Five conference tournaments will be ending on that day. Which

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01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 5: current college basketball program has the longest drought of not

1532
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 5: making the NCAA Tournament. It used to be Northwestern for years.

1533
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 2: Power conference it is.

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01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:39,919
Speaker 5: It's not a power team, but it's not the ACC

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01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:41,080
Speaker 5: or SEC.

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01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 1: No.

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01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 2: Well, I know DePaul, yeah, has n't been there since

1538
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 2: O four, but I think car Washington State is the

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01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 2: second behind them.

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01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 5: Yes, Washington State two thousand and eight, and Washington State's

1541
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 5: having a great year. They are ranked in the top twenty.

1542
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 5: And WAZU beat UCLA tonight. The game was tied with

1543
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 5: about six minutes to go seventy seven to sixty five.

1544
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 5: We mentioned it before. This is not breaking news. U

1545
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 5: CLA's not going to the tournament this year. Gonzaga probably is.

1546
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 5: We'll see about Villanova. UCLA's a no, and don't even

1547
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 5: start talking about Indiana or any of the other great

1548
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 5: names of the past.

1549
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 2: But Louisville will not be there this year.

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01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 5: I'm gonna bring up Louisville UCLA's record fourteen and fifteen

1551
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 5: de paul as anh to eighteen record in the Big

1552
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 5: East right now because they lost to Butler today. I

1553
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:28,560
Speaker 5: was looking over to Paul's season. One of their wins

1554
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:32,639
Speaker 5: was against Louisville. It was which is three and fifteen

1555
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 5: in the ACC. Louisville lost at home against Syracuse today.

1556
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:39,240
Speaker 5: De Paul's only other victories all season going back to

1557
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 5: early November, they beat Chicago State and South Dakota.

1558
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 2: So there. Yeah.

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01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,480
Speaker 5: De Paul's been twenty years since they made the NCAA's

1560
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 5: Washington State due to go Boston College hasn't made it

1561
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 5: since two thousand and nine. As for other teams not

1562
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 5: doing so well, Georgetown two and sixteen in the Big

1563
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 5: East after losing Xavier today, and Missouri is zero to

1564
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:05,719
Speaker 5: sixteen in the SEC after losing to Old miss Twenty

1565
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 5: Fifth ranked South Florida is fifteen to one in the

1566
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 5: American Conference after winning at Charlotte today. We mentioned Kentucky

1567
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 5: and South Carolina one today Tennessee with the win tonight.

1568
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:19,719
Speaker 5: Gonzaga ended its regular season with a win at Saint Mary's.

1569
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:24,440
Speaker 5: And then there's Illinois, which is still ranked top fifteen,

1570
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 5: still piling up wins twenty two and seven. Thirteenth ranked

1571
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 5: Illinois won at Wisconsin ninety one eighty six. Remember one,

1572
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:34,639
Speaker 5: Wisconsin was highly ranked this year. Coming up Tuesday, it's

1573
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 5: Illinois against Perdue. The number two ranked Boilermakers won against

1574
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 5: Michigan State tonight. Auburn's ranked eleventh. They're twenty two and

1575
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 5: seven as well, beat Mississippi State. Duke is ranked tenth.

1576
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 5: Its final score against Virginia was seventy three to forty eight.

1577
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:53,280
Speaker 5: In fact, Duke led forty to fifteen late in the

1578
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 5: first half. Next Saturday, Duke hosts North Carolina, which is

1579
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 5: ranked ninth and was down by eight point tis at

1580
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 5: the half against NC State, tar Heels beat him seventy

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01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:06,439
Speaker 5: nine to seventy. Iowa State is a top ten team,

1582
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 5: ranked eighth twenty three and six. Iowa State won at

1583
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 5: UCF sixty to fifty two, cyclone, still one game behind

1584
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,880
Speaker 5: Houston in the Big twelve standings. Houston won on a

1585
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 5: last second jumper at Oklahoma tonight. Iowa State's win at

1586
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:22,640
Speaker 5: Central Florida UCF from three point range was one for

1587
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:26,160
Speaker 5: nineteen in the game with twenty two turnovers. And I

1588
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:27,880
Speaker 5: got to see a lot of the Baylor home game

1589
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 5: against Kansas today. Baylor wins eighty two to seventy four.

1590
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:34,679
Speaker 5: Kansas is piling up the conference road losses this year.

1591
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:38,720
Speaker 5: It's amazing and overall in conference play, Jayhawks nine and

1592
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:42,680
Speaker 5: seven in the Big Twelve, seven conference losses for the

1593
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 5: first time since nineteen eighty nine. But Kansas can't extend

1594
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 5: its mark of winning records in conference play to thirty

1595
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 5: five straight seasons. Arizona and Creighton with wins.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Steve de Sager. Sega will be

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01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:58,840
Speaker 2: with us for one more hours. Is Fox Sports Radio

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01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Saturday and the Sunday air toors Jason Martin,

1599
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:06,679
Speaker 2: broadcasting live from the tireraq dot Com studios. We'll come

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01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 2: back and we will get to the story of the night.

1601
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 2: Lebron James breaks forty thousand points. But does anybody really care?

1602
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 2: And if so, why not? This is Fox Sports Radio.

1603
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:24,720
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1604
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Speaker 2: us at the top of the hour, Bernie Frado of

1610
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:53,759
Speaker 2: the Bernie Frado Show. He will be on from eleven

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Speaker 2: am or eleven pm Pacific two am Eastern on And also,

1612
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 2: if you missed any of today's show, make sure and

1613
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:04,439
Speaker 2: download the podcast. We covered a lot of ground and

1614
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:07,880
Speaker 2: still have an hour left. Well, that said, Jason, let's

1615
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 2: get back to the story of the evening. Biggest story

1616
01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 2: of the day in sports, Lebron James Los Angeles Lakers.

1617
01:21:15,479 --> 01:21:18,679
Speaker 2: Los Angeles Lakers hosted the Denver Nuggets. The Denver Nuggets,

1618
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 2: much like in the East the Western Conference Finals last

1619
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 2: last year, they end up taking care of business. The

1620
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 2: Denver Nuggets go into Crypto dot Com Arena and get

1621
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 2: the victory. But the big story is that Lebron James

1622
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 2: did become the first player in NBA history to surpass

1623
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:40,599
Speaker 2: forty thousand points. What I find interesting about it, though

1624
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 2: Jason is pretty straightforward. I don't get the sense that

1625
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 2: this is some incredible celebration that everybody is celebrating, everybody

1626
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 2: is honoring, everybody's appreciating, everybody is talking about it. Felt

1627
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 2: like there wasn't that much talk about this throughout the day.

1628
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit come out of this week when,

1629
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,919
Speaker 2: of course Lebron had that insane fourth quarter against the Clippers.

1630
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 2: But it just didn't feel like that big of a

1631
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 2: deal to me. And I don't know if Lebron has

1632
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:12,600
Speaker 2: been so great for so long that we just expect greatness.

1633
01:22:13,080 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 2: I don't know if we just don't celebrate him as

1634
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 2: much as other great athletes the way that we celebrated

1635
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 2: achievement for Kobe Bryant late in his career, Derek Jeter

1636
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 2: late in his career, Tom Brady late in his career,

1637
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 2: et cetera. I don't know why. It just didn't feel

1638
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:32,839
Speaker 2: as big to me as you would have thought somebody

1639
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 2: hitting a very important milestone that no player in the

1640
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 2: history of the NBA has ever touched.

1641
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:43,840
Speaker 1: I didn't say this in the first hour, maybe because

1642
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:47,680
Speaker 1: I didn't think about it, But I don't know that

1643
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 1: there are milestones anymore, career level milestones like point totals

1644
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 1: and things like that in basketball that really moved the

1645
01:22:57,479 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 1: needle the same way as maybe they would have ten

1646
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 1: or twenty years ago. We took it from the Lebron

1647
01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 1: angle in the first hour, and I think there's there's

1648
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:09,719
Speaker 1: a lot to that. I feel like the general public

1649
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 1: is always going to look at Lebron a little differently

1650
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:18,600
Speaker 1: because of the fact that he jumped from Cleveland to Miami,

1651
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:23,680
Speaker 1: back to Cleveland, then to Los Angeles. He manufactured situations,

1652
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:26,760
Speaker 1: he moved multiple coaches out of there, He got who

1653
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 1: he wanted when he went back to Cleveland. It's not

1654
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 1: like he just went back home. He went back home

1655
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 1: when they had a number one draft pick in Kyrie

1656
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 1: Irving that he could go team up with, and they

1657
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: grabbed Kevin Love. After that, he played with multiple super teams.

1658
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:40,520
Speaker 1: He helped orchestrate those. He was a very shrewd businessman,

1659
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 1: and he was somebody that you know, wielded his power

1660
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 1: and leverage to create circumstances where he could win. And

1661
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 1: he was also one of the greatest basketball players to

1662
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 1: ever live. So there's a there's a complic I think

1663
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: there's a There are a myriad of factors here, But

1664
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:01,680
Speaker 1: I do think that part of it is just when

1665
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:03,960
Speaker 1: I hear forty thousand points in the NBA, it just

1666
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 1: doesn't ring the same way as it did. I don't

1667
01:24:06,280 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 1: know that records mean what they once did, especially not

1668
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:12,880
Speaker 1: in the NBA like there was a time maybe when

1669
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 1: it did. But the records that matter to me, the

1670
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 1: ones that still actually you start talking about our baseball records,

1671
01:24:23,240 --> 01:24:25,840
Speaker 1: because so much of what they've done forever has been

1672
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 1: stat based, not just championship based. It's not about how

1673
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 1: many World Series you won, it's about how many home

1674
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 1: runs you hit. It was about your average. Could you

1675
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:36,639
Speaker 1: finish with this many wins, could you finish with this average?

1676
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 1: Could you win the Triple Crown? Could you know the

1677
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 1: most stolen bases? All of those things. It was so

1678
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 1: built around that kind of stuff. I just haven't really

1679
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 1: sensed that way about basketball. So that's just a bit

1680
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 1: of a different take than what we set off the

1681
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 1: first hour, which I think all that stuff's valid, But

1682
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 1: I think maybe another angle of it is just I

1683
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:58,680
Speaker 1: don't know the basketball individual accomplishments like this raised to

1684
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 1: I just don't know that anyone knows enough about the

1685
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 1: history of it to care that much.

1686
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe that's it. And and maybe you know, we're

1687
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 2: pretty tough on Lebron in hour one of just you know,

1688
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:15,439
Speaker 2: are we not celebrating it because you know, he's done

1689
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:18,639
Speaker 2: some stuff off the court, he's left teams, he's done whatever.

1690
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:21,920
Speaker 2: Maybe it is just as simple as he's been so

1691
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 2: great for so long that nothing really surprises us anymore.

1692
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 2: But I still I don't know. I still think it's weird.

1693
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 2: Like I mean, I can't remember, you know, what Milestone's

1694
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:36,320
Speaker 2: Kobe hit late in his career, other than of course

1695
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 2: that final game when he of course was insane.

1696
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 1: But I don't know.

1697
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 2: It just it feels like it feels like it should

1698
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 2: have been bigger. I also maybe maybe it maybe it doesn't,

1699
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 2: maybe maybe it's only so I don't know. I just

1700
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 2: find it very interesting, but I do think there has

1701
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:56,680
Speaker 2: to be something here. I'll also say this, though, I

1702
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 2: do think that we are now at the point in

1703
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:01,400
Speaker 2: Lebron's career. Let me ask you a question, Jason, And

1704
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:06,240
Speaker 2: I know you're not an everyday, you know, NBA guy,

1705
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 2: but I don't.

1706
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 1: I used to be, But the last couple of years

1707
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 1: I've definitely I've trailed off just a little bit.

1708
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 2: No, And I just bring it up because I don't

1709
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 2: think the Lakers, in my opinion, are a legitimate NBA

1710
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:23,320
Speaker 2: title contender, which probably isn't shocking because they're currently in

1711
01:26:23,320 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 2: the Tennessee. They'd have to go through the play in tournament,

1712
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,839
Speaker 2: playing games, whatever. But I just bring it up because

1713
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 2: I also think part of it is like when you're

1714
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:34,680
Speaker 2: the great, when you want to be in the conversation

1715
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 2: of the greatest of all time. I guess, like stats

1716
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 2: don't really matter. I mean, they matter, but it's also

1717
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 2: about winning, and it's about championships, about all the stuff

1718
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 2: that we talk about, and so I just bring it up.

1719
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 2: It does feel like the last two or three years,

1720
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:51,559
Speaker 2: and I've heard other people say this, it's not necessarily

1721
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 2: an original take, it feels like Lebron's career has become

1722
01:26:56,600 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 2: more about accomplishing individual things, right, Yeah, Like I just

1723
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:06,720
Speaker 2: I mean, he broke Kareem's record. I think that I

1724
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:09,599
Speaker 2: guess the play the mid season tournament was a little

1725
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:11,640
Speaker 2: bit of a It wasn't a little bit, it was

1726
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 2: a team accomplishment, but it also felt like a little

1727
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:15,760
Speaker 2: bit of a I want to do something that stead

1728
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:17,479
Speaker 2: of I don't know, I just I think that's part

1729
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:19,320
Speaker 2: of it as well, is that it does. And by

1730
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:21,160
Speaker 2: the way, it goes to something that we said in

1731
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 2: our one that you brought up as well, is that

1732
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 2: I think this entire chapter of Lebron's career feels a

1733
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 2: little self centered. Like we know that he didn't come

1734
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 2: to Los Angeles because it was the best basketball situation.

1735
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 2: He came for off the court opportunities, business opportunities, family

1736
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 2: want to live here, which, by the way, that's his

1737
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 2: prerogative whatever. I'm not going to debate whether that's right

1738
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 2: or wrong. But I do just feel like maybe that's

1739
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 2: why there isn't as much of a celebration is because

1740
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:47,519
Speaker 2: it does feel like the last two or three years

1741
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 2: it's become a lot about individual things more than it

1742
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 2: has becoming team goals. And with the way the Lakers

1743
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 2: are playing, I obviously don't think there's gonna be any

1744
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:58,639
Speaker 2: big picture team things that happened for the Lakers this year.

1745
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:02,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, the individual thing is definitely right. It has felt

1746
01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:06,439
Speaker 1: like a celebration of Lebron by Lebron for Lebron, And

1747
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:10,040
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that LA wanted to be invited to

1748
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 1: that party.

1749
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 2: Nope.

1750
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:14,360
Speaker 1: And it's certainly not in the way that many of

1751
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 1: their legends have been. But Lebron, he's just if he

1752
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 1: had just stayed put in Cleveland his entire career, now,

1753
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 1: could he have won championships there? I don't know, because

1754
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 1: they probably don't. Almost surely they don't end up with

1755
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving because he's too good to give them a

1756
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:30,400
Speaker 1: chance to ever have been in the lottery unless he

1757
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:33,360
Speaker 1: got hurt. If he hadn't left, they wouldn't have had

1758
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:34,719
Speaker 1: a pick. It would have come there, so he would

1759
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 1: have still been playing with like Moe Williams as the

1760
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 1: second best player on his team, or they would have

1761
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 1: had to finagle some things because of the way the

1762
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 1: money set up in the NBA, he can't just push

1763
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:46,640
Speaker 1: contracts five years down the road like you can in

1764
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 1: the NFL and find a way to still sort of

1765
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 1: put together a super team. So maybe he had to

1766
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 1: leave in order for Cleveland to even get better to

1767
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:55,719
Speaker 1: where he could come back because they could go draft

1768
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 1: a number one guy and he could get there before

1769
01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:00,599
Speaker 1: he had to pay that guy. So maybe it had

1770
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:03,679
Speaker 1: to work out this way. But I just don't think

1771
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 1: that he is revered as this icon of sport when

1772
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:14,680
Speaker 1: it comes to the loyalty factor. And it's not that

1773
01:29:14,760 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 1: he's the only guy. He's far from the only guy.

1774
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:23,879
Speaker 1: He just seemed like the tipping point where we really

1775
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 1: started to see when he did that press conference with

1776
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:30,759
Speaker 1: Jim Gray. He never he could never live it down.

1777
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:33,720
Speaker 1: It's still something that I will never forget, is him

1778
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 1: wearing the picnic table shirt and saying, I'm taking my

1779
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:38,559
Speaker 1: talents to South Beach. We're never going to forget it.

1780
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:41,439
Speaker 1: He could score eighty thousand points, Aaron, We're still not

1781
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 1: going to forget it. And he did what he thought

1782
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 1: was right, and he probably was right. I mean, he

1783
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:48,559
Speaker 1: went and won a couple of championships and he came

1784
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 1: back and he did win one for Cleveland, and I

1785
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:52,360
Speaker 1: thought that was really cool. And then he left for

1786
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:55,800
Speaker 1: LA and I said, this destroyed him. It destroyed him

1787
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 1: in terms of his legacy, because here's just what are

1788
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:00,920
Speaker 1: you doing this for. You can take a private jet

1789
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:02,760
Speaker 1: to LA in a couple hours, Lebron. You don't have

1790
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 1: to go play there to be a mogul like You're

1791
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:06,680
Speaker 1: gonna be fine. But he moved out there and he

1792
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:08,160
Speaker 1: did what he felt like he had to do from

1793
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:12,160
Speaker 1: a business standpoint, and maybe he did it, Aaron, because

1794
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 1: he had already accepted the fact that his legacy was

1795
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:17,639
Speaker 1: what it was going to be. There were some people

1796
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:20,160
Speaker 1: younger generation, for the most part, they were going to

1797
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 1: say he was the greatest basketball player of all time

1798
01:30:22,160 --> 01:30:24,680
Speaker 1: because they didn't watch Michael and they certainly didn't watch

1799
01:30:24,680 --> 01:30:28,439
Speaker 1: anybody prior to Michael and then the people that watched Michael,

1800
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:31,800
Speaker 1: by and large most of us, he was never going

1801
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:34,320
Speaker 1: to catch him Jay, and maybe he knew it. And

1802
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:36,559
Speaker 1: finally it was well, what else can I do? Well,

1803
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:39,800
Speaker 1: I can go do the movie thing. I can go

1804
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:41,760
Speaker 1: do the acting thing, but I can also do the

1805
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:46,840
Speaker 1: directing and the film company film production company thing. I

1806
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:49,439
Speaker 1: can do this agency thing with Rich Paul, and then

1807
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 1: on the side, you know, I can kind of manufacture stuff.

1808
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:56,519
Speaker 1: And La is a good landing spot. Lebron James with

1809
01:30:56,600 --> 01:30:58,920
Speaker 1: the Lakers makes it an appealing situation for a lot

1810
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:01,479
Speaker 1: of free agents to want to come there, potentially, as

1811
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 1: long as they understand that the sun rises and sets

1812
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:07,680
Speaker 1: around him and not around you. But I think all

1813
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:09,360
Speaker 1: of that kind of plays into it. If he had

1814
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 1: just stayed in Cleveland his entire career, and maybe he

1815
01:31:12,200 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 1: only won one championship, I still think we would regard

1816
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:18,880
Speaker 1: him in a different way. I think that the movement

1817
01:31:19,479 --> 01:31:22,599
Speaker 1: and how sports has changed as a result of his movement.

1818
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:25,600
Speaker 1: I think that hurt him. I do. I think it

1819
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 1: hurt him in the eyes of the people. I feel

1820
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:33,000
Speaker 1: like there's a more polarizing aspect to Lebron basketball wise,

1821
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:36,120
Speaker 1: because of the decisions that he made, which he was

1822
01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:38,720
Speaker 1: entitled to make. But I think that's it.

1823
01:31:39,400 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 2: No, I definitely think there's something to it. And I

1824
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:43,080
Speaker 2: was just thinking about this while you were talking. Is

1825
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:48,080
Speaker 2: like if Lebron announced tomorrow that he was going to

1826
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:51,639
Speaker 2: play one more year, and if Steph Curry announced tomorrow

1827
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:53,960
Speaker 2: that he was going to play one more year, I

1828
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:56,600
Speaker 2: think we all know who would have the more celebrated

1829
01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:59,599
Speaker 2: retirement tour, and to be Steph Curry. And I think

1830
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 2: there's so something too, you know, came up in that organization.

1831
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:06,680
Speaker 2: You know, both of them stuff a couple of years left.

1832
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 2: So I'm not saying that, but you know, like like

1833
01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:11,599
Speaker 2: you know, came up with the organization in Steph's case,

1834
01:32:11,680 --> 01:32:13,200
Speaker 2: you know, they they you know, it's easy to forget

1835
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:14,599
Speaker 2: they did have a couple down years. Like we could

1836
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:16,559
Speaker 2: sit there and say, well, they got Kevin Durant. Yeah,

1837
01:32:16,640 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 2: then they stunk for two years because Klay Thompson had

1838
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:21,160
Speaker 2: a couple of injuries and you know, Steph had a

1839
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:23,519
Speaker 2: couple of injuries. Whatever. So I just bring it up

1840
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:25,640
Speaker 2: because I do think there is something to all of

1841
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:29,439
Speaker 2: the movement. And I think, like I said, I think

1842
01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 2: the last move was. It was just if you're a

1843
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:35,479
Speaker 2: basketball fan, it was just disingenuous. And I say it

1844
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 2: all the time, but you know, even even Laker fans

1845
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 2: like I don't think I think Lebron And I've said

1846
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 2: this many times, but I remember listening to one of

1847
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:47,519
Speaker 2: his early press conferences where it was funny because they

1848
01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:50,200
Speaker 2: actually asked him the exact question or comment that you

1849
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:53,240
Speaker 2: just made, Jason, which is, you know something about his

1850
01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:55,840
Speaker 2: legacy as it pertained to what would it mean to

1851
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 2: his legacy to win as a Laker or something like that,

1852
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:01,639
Speaker 2: and he basically said, guys, my legacy is said come

1853
01:33:01,640 --> 01:33:03,400
Speaker 2: on now, like you know. And this was one of

1854
01:33:03,439 --> 01:33:05,439
Speaker 2: his early press conferences, and I remember sitting there saying,

1855
01:33:05,439 --> 01:33:08,360
Speaker 2: wait a second. Now, you don't get it, buddy, this

1856
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:13,280
Speaker 2: ain't Cleveland. You don't walk on water. Lakers greats are

1857
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 2: judged by what they do in a Lakers uniform. Nobody

1858
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 2: in LA cares what he did in Cleveland. Nobody in

1859
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:20,920
Speaker 2: LA cares what you did in Miami. What are you

1860
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:22,120
Speaker 2: going to bring to the Lakers.

1861
01:33:22,439 --> 01:33:24,120
Speaker 1: Look, I think he's been out standing on the floor

1862
01:33:24,120 --> 01:33:26,040
Speaker 1: for the Lakers for the most part, and he's won

1863
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:28,760
Speaker 1: a championship with the Lakers, and I still don't think

1864
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:33,040
Speaker 1: it matters, Like I just I think that the best

1865
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 1: chance that he had to be somebody's son was in Cleveland.

1866
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:38,760
Speaker 1: He was their son, he was their guy. They had

1867
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:40,760
Speaker 1: the billboards up, they had the giant thing on the

1868
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:42,880
Speaker 1: side of the building with him with the chalk. I

1869
01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:46,840
Speaker 1: remember this. It was a big deal. That's where it

1870
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:49,800
Speaker 1: turned like there was like when he went to la

1871
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,960
Speaker 1: it just felt like the move of a narcissist. It

1872
01:33:53,000 --> 01:33:57,360
Speaker 1: did not feel to me. It just felt icky because

1873
01:33:57,360 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 1: it's not like he was going to win a championship.

1874
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:01,600
Speaker 1: He'd already done that. There was really nothing left for

1875
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:04,040
Speaker 1: him to do, which is why even at the time

1876
01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:06,639
Speaker 1: I said, Lebron, I mean, I know you're probably gonna

1877
01:34:06,680 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 1: do this, but I wouldn't. I'd stay in Cleveland. But

1878
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:12,280
Speaker 1: he's making larger decisions. And again, maybe that's to your

1879
01:34:12,280 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 1: point when he said that legacy comment, Maybe I'm right,

1880
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:18,479
Speaker 1: Maybe what I said is more accurate that I thought,

1881
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 1: meaning he already knows what his legacy is and what

1882
01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:24,080
Speaker 1: it isn't so now he's just gonna do what he wants.

1883
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the theme, you know, talking out a

1884
01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:29,040
Speaker 2: second time. We did talk about this in hour one.

1885
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:33,000
Speaker 2: I do think the theme that I've probably learned out

1886
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 2: of this is that probably I think this last two

1887
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:40,760
Speaker 2: or three years, certainly since the Bubble title, but really

1888
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:43,599
Speaker 2: the entire LA thing. Really maybe even since he won

1889
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:46,839
Speaker 2: that title in twenty sixteen in Cleveland, it has felt

1890
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:53,000
Speaker 2: a lot of you know, my career is now. I'm

1891
01:34:53,080 --> 01:34:57,439
Speaker 2: just my focus is on the individual, individual stats, my

1892
01:34:58,320 --> 01:35:03,040
Speaker 2: quality of life, my son, Yeah, my son, Well, my son.

1893
01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:04,960
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, Jason, why don't we come back

1894
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:08,519
Speaker 2: and talk about that son who maybe is going to

1895
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:13,320
Speaker 2: the NBA, maybe is not. But Lebron is furious that

1896
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:16,080
Speaker 2: you have the nerve to talk about him, even though

1897
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:18,000
Speaker 2: he's been doing the same thing for the last three years. Now.

1898
01:35:18,200 --> 01:35:24,839
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1906
01:35:54,720 --> 01:36:00,320
Speaker 2: oh six ' one the ticket in New Orleans. So

1907
01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:06,599
Speaker 2: before the break, talking a little bit about a little

1908
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:11,320
Speaker 2: bit about Lebron James becoming the first NBA player ever

1909
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:17,040
Speaker 2: to break the forty thousand point threshold on the court,

1910
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:20,440
Speaker 2: but off the court, it was certainly a very interesting

1911
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:23,960
Speaker 2: weekend for Lebron James, or very interesting week I should

1912
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:27,360
Speaker 2: say for Lebron James, for some social media stuff that

1913
01:36:27,439 --> 01:36:30,559
Speaker 2: popped up over the course of the week. I'm sure

1914
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:35,680
Speaker 2: you've heard it by now, but Bronni James, his son ESPN,

1915
01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 2: removed him from their twenty twenty four mock draft. He

1916
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:43,760
Speaker 2: had been on there previously. He has now been moved

1917
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:45,400
Speaker 2: to twenty twenty five, where they believe he is a

1918
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:49,439
Speaker 2: draftable prospect at that point. And of course, Lebron James,

1919
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:53,760
Speaker 2: doing what Lebron James did, went to Twitter to defend

1920
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 2: his son, which, by the way, no problem with him

1921
01:36:57,400 --> 01:37:01,759
Speaker 2: defending his son on Twitter. Here is what he said.

1922
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:05,080
Speaker 2: I am pulling up the sinse deleted tweets right now.

1923
01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:08,320
Speaker 2: Of course, the internet is moving very slow as I'm

1924
01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:13,000
Speaker 2: doing it, but basically this is what he said, can

1925
01:37:13,120 --> 01:37:15,479
Speaker 2: y'all just please let a kid be a kid and

1926
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:18,320
Speaker 2: enjoy college basketball? The working results will ultimately do the

1927
01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:21,320
Speaker 2: talking no matter what he decides to do. If y'all

1928
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:24,080
Speaker 2: don't know, he doesn't care what a bock draft says.

1929
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:29,200
Speaker 2: He just works earned, not given. And so he tweeted

1930
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:33,519
Speaker 2: that now, since then Rich Paul, who obviously is not

1931
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:37,080
Speaker 2: only Lebron's good friend, but Lebron's agent, and I'm sure,

1932
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:41,400
Speaker 2: I'm not sure he is working with Bronni Rich Paul

1933
01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:44,519
Speaker 2: did do an interview with ESPN or Essentially, what Rich

1934
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:48,880
Speaker 2: Paul said is that Bronnie's decision. What he said is,

1935
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:51,320
Speaker 2: I don't value a young player getting into the lottery

1936
01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:53,360
Speaker 2: as much as I do getting him on the right

1937
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 2: team in the right developmental situation. And he continued by saying,

1938
01:37:57,120 --> 01:38:00,479
Speaker 2: Lebron wants Bronnie to be his own man. Jason, there's

1939
01:38:00,479 --> 01:38:02,120
Speaker 2: a lot of layers to this, but but you know,

1940
01:38:02,400 --> 01:38:04,200
Speaker 2: from a distance, you know, I know this is a

1941
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 2: four or five day old story. But what did you

1942
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:09,280
Speaker 2: make of this whole story as it unfolded this week?

1943
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:13,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you first, Lebron like, we'll be glad to

1944
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:16,120
Speaker 1: let him enjoy college just as soon as you do,

1945
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:19,479
Speaker 1: because I mean, a lot of this has been brought

1946
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:22,080
Speaker 1: on by his famous father, and some of it would

1947
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:24,679
Speaker 1: have been even if Lebron had never said a word

1948
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:26,920
Speaker 1: about his son, because we know who his son is.

1949
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:30,000
Speaker 1: But we've been talking about Bronni James for what three

1950
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:34,080
Speaker 1: years at least somewhere in that neighborhood. We've been watching highlights,

1951
01:38:34,360 --> 01:38:37,120
Speaker 1: high school games and all this other kind of stuff

1952
01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:41,760
Speaker 1: for seemingly ever. And gosh, there seems to be a

1953
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:47,000
Speaker 1: cottage industry out there in people that are experts on

1954
01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:49,439
Speaker 1: the NBA and insiders to have all sorts of takes

1955
01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:53,639
Speaker 1: on Lebron James. And like Adrian wiljon Erowski, for example,

1956
01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:56,479
Speaker 1: I saw like a video pop up an hour ago.

1957
01:38:57,560 --> 01:39:02,240
Speaker 1: That's another expose where wass saying Bronni James worries more

1958
01:39:02,280 --> 01:39:05,479
Speaker 1: about team fit than draft selection. But why don't you

1959
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:07,880
Speaker 1: worry about getting better at basketball because right now you're

1960
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:10,679
Speaker 1: not an NBA player? Like what are we talking about?

1961
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:13,240
Speaker 1: I don't understand. Like he was in the top fifteen

1962
01:39:13,439 --> 01:39:15,280
Speaker 1: in these deals and now he's out of the first

1963
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:18,320
Speaker 1: round because of course he is. He'll be draftable in

1964
01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:24,400
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. This shouldn't. This is not a preordained thing. Folks.

1965
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:28,160
Speaker 1: More often than not, even the guys that try to

1966
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:30,960
Speaker 1: follow in the footsteps of the greats that are, you know,

1967
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:34,719
Speaker 1: their parents, most of the time it doesn't work. Sometimes

1968
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:37,040
Speaker 1: it does. Most of the time it doesn't. There's a

1969
01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:40,360
Speaker 1: lot of but they get extra opportunities and they get

1970
01:39:40,360 --> 01:39:43,840
Speaker 1: a chance. And I certainly don't think he doesn't deserve

1971
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:46,160
Speaker 1: a chance. I don't think he's an NBA player right now,

1972
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:49,120
Speaker 1: and they let him enjoy the college experience thing. I agree.

1973
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:52,200
Speaker 1: So let's just stop talking about him. You first, Lebron,

1974
01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:57,360
Speaker 1: then Adrian Ljnarowski and Givoni and all these guys that

1975
01:39:57,400 --> 01:40:00,160
Speaker 1: are out here that constantly have a take on where

1976
01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:03,240
Speaker 1: Lebron's son's going to be drafted and is he gonna

1977
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:04,960
Speaker 1: play with Lebron and all this is like he used

1978
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:06,840
Speaker 1: to get to where it actually makes sense for him

1979
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:09,479
Speaker 1: to be drafted as anything other than a charity case,

1980
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:12,120
Speaker 1: because right now he's averaging five points a game, and

1981
01:40:12,160 --> 01:40:16,080
Speaker 1: there's there's there's no reason. If his name wasn't what

1982
01:40:16,200 --> 01:40:18,920
Speaker 1: it is and his dad wasn't who he was, we

1983
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:20,559
Speaker 1: would not be talking about him at all.

1984
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:23,559
Speaker 2: Aaron well, I mean, yeah, I know, we wouldn't be

1985
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:27,320
Speaker 2: and a couple of things. One, as you said, and

1986
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:28,720
Speaker 2: this is the part that I think a lot of

1987
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:31,280
Speaker 2: people brought up. I mean, it was literally like six

1988
01:40:31,320 --> 01:40:33,800
Speaker 2: weeks ago that Lebron said that Bronni could help the

1989
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:37,280
Speaker 2: Lakers right now. So it is no one's fault, but

1990
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:40,479
Speaker 2: help him. What Aaron, I mean, he's a dad, I mean,

1991
01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 2: he's a delusional dad. But of course, like sell popcorn. Wait,

1992
01:40:45,320 --> 01:40:47,920
Speaker 2: what what is it that Bronnie James could do for

1993
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:50,439
Speaker 2: the Lakers right now? Well? Nothing, but that's not the

1994
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:53,280
Speaker 2: kids for Yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna sit here

1995
01:40:53,320 --> 01:40:55,880
Speaker 2: and mock the kid because he's not ready and that

1996
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:59,439
Speaker 2: his dad is delusional. But it's like what I will

1997
01:40:59,479 --> 01:41:02,040
Speaker 2: also say, and I forget if you and I have

1998
01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:03,439
Speaker 2: talked about it. I know I've talked about it with

1999
01:41:03,439 --> 01:41:08,800
Speaker 2: Bernie on his show, is if you want to have

2000
01:41:09,120 --> 01:41:12,439
Speaker 2: a real conversation about Bronnie, I'll have it with you

2001
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:15,320
Speaker 2: right now, Jason. And that's this is that no one

2002
01:41:16,120 --> 01:41:20,200
Speaker 2: in the basketball world ever at any point except for

2003
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:24,400
Speaker 2: one person, well you know, outside of Lebron, but one

2004
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:27,680
Speaker 2: person thought that Bronnie was a top ten pick and

2005
01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:29,759
Speaker 2: it was the guy who does mock drafts at ESPN.

2006
01:41:30,240 --> 01:41:31,640
Speaker 2: And I don't know if he did that as a

2007
01:41:31,640 --> 01:41:33,880
Speaker 2: favorite of Lebron. I don't know if he did it

2008
01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:36,519
Speaker 2: to get clicks on his mock draft. But this is

2009
01:41:36,520 --> 01:41:40,920
Speaker 2: not mocking Lebron, not mocking Bronnie James. Bottom line is

2010
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:44,320
Speaker 2: he was a four star recruit, a fringe top thirty

2011
01:41:44,360 --> 01:41:47,680
Speaker 2: prospect in his high school class. And let's just do

2012
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:51,680
Speaker 2: some mental math here, Jason. It's not often, although it

2013
01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:55,120
Speaker 2: has happened, but it's not often, and certainly something that

2014
01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:58,479
Speaker 2: you can't project that a guy goes from a fringe

2015
01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:01,760
Speaker 2: top thirty prospect in his high school class to a

2016
01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:04,120
Speaker 2: top ten pick in his class, because oh, by the way,

2017
01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:06,839
Speaker 2: there's thirty players better than you in your own class,

2018
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:10,320
Speaker 2: plus all the international players, plus the older college basketball players.

2019
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:14,200
Speaker 2: It was just, if anything, I feel bad for Bronnie

2020
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:19,320
Speaker 2: because it was never realistic. It was never realistic. I

2021
01:42:19,479 --> 01:42:21,960
Speaker 2: don't know why, and I'll just say the name. I

2022
01:42:22,040 --> 01:42:25,400
Speaker 2: don't care, Jonathan Cavoni from ESPN. I don't know why

2023
01:42:25,400 --> 01:42:26,840
Speaker 2: he put him in the top ten of the mock draft,

2024
01:42:26,880 --> 01:42:28,720
Speaker 2: but I can tell you, and you know, we all

2025
01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:31,120
Speaker 2: have sources in this industry, I could tell you whether

2026
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:36,120
Speaker 2: it was NBA scouts, whether it was college basketball coach.

2027
01:42:36,200 --> 01:42:37,920
Speaker 2: I can tell you this, and this isn't a knock

2028
01:42:37,960 --> 01:42:41,639
Speaker 2: on Bronnie. I can tell you for a fact Bronni

2029
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:46,760
Speaker 2: essentially had no recruitment because Lebron has said publicly that

2030
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:48,400
Speaker 2: he wanted his son to be a one and done

2031
01:42:48,520 --> 01:42:50,200
Speaker 2: or expected him to be, or he wanted to play

2032
01:42:50,240 --> 01:42:52,040
Speaker 2: with him, and he set up his Lakers contract in

2033
01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:54,920
Speaker 2: such a way. It's like, if you look at the timeline,

2034
01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:59,720
Speaker 2: USC took him late in the process, like Mayor, I

2035
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:02,400
Speaker 2: think was middle of May last year, and it was

2036
01:43:02,439 --> 01:43:04,439
Speaker 2: only after they lost two or three players to the

2037
01:43:04,439 --> 01:43:06,880
Speaker 2: portal and they knew they had a spot for him

2038
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:09,880
Speaker 2: and that he would play for them, because you can't

2039
01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:12,559
Speaker 2: bring in Bronnie James and have him be the eighth guy.

2040
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:16,280
Speaker 2: And so this has been mishandled from the beginning with Lebron.

2041
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:18,559
Speaker 2: But I'll also call out ESPN. And I'm not one

2042
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:20,080
Speaker 2: of those people. And you've been working with me long

2043
01:43:20,160 --> 01:43:23,360
Speaker 2: enough to know. I know in our industry, ESPN takes

2044
01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:26,960
Speaker 2: a lot of strays and they're an easy target and whatever.

2045
01:43:27,320 --> 01:43:29,280
Speaker 2: But I am here to tell you, there is no

2046
01:43:29,320 --> 01:43:32,360
Speaker 2: one other than the dude that does mock drafts at

2047
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:35,599
Speaker 2: ESPN and probably Lebron James, that ever believed at any

2048
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:38,920
Speaker 2: point Bronni James was a top ten pick, and all

2049
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:42,280
Speaker 2: they were ever doing was a disservice to him because

2050
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:45,160
Speaker 2: there was never going to be a scenario this year

2051
01:43:45,439 --> 01:43:50,479
Speaker 2: where he played like and based on merit, genuinely looked

2052
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:51,360
Speaker 2: like a top ten pick.

2053
01:43:52,280 --> 01:43:56,599
Speaker 1: So all that's really well said, and you're right, and

2054
01:43:56,920 --> 01:43:58,960
Speaker 1: I certainly don't want a dog on the kid either.

2055
01:44:00,439 --> 01:44:04,559
Speaker 1: The problem is that because of the circumstances, because of

2056
01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:09,879
Speaker 1: him being put in that list, because of the Lebron

2057
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:12,120
Speaker 1: factor and what he has said and what he's done

2058
01:44:12,160 --> 01:44:14,000
Speaker 1: behind the scenes and all the stuff that you just

2059
01:44:14,080 --> 01:44:18,240
Speaker 1: laid out, there's nothing for me to do but mock

2060
01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:22,760
Speaker 1: the perform months. It's not mocking the performer, but they

2061
01:44:22,840 --> 01:44:25,400
Speaker 1: have this circumstance in a way it's been laid out

2062
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:29,840
Speaker 1: by whoever. It has done nothing but open him up

2063
01:44:29,880 --> 01:44:32,720
Speaker 1: to this kind of criticism because this is the only

2064
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:35,040
Speaker 1: thing you can do, Like, yeah, you can call out

2065
01:44:35,080 --> 01:44:37,200
Speaker 1: the process and you could say, yet, not only was

2066
01:44:37,240 --> 01:44:40,439
Speaker 1: this flawed, but this was not clean either. The way

2067
01:44:40,479 --> 01:44:42,519
Speaker 1: that this was done, and it did him no favors

2068
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:45,400
Speaker 1: because he wasn't right. It's like letting somebody into Harvard

2069
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:50,559
Speaker 1: who had a five hundred under SATs because their entire

2070
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:51,639
Speaker 1: family had gone to Harvard.

2071
01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:53,560
Speaker 2: It's basically the Aunt Becky of basketball.

2072
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:57,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, you don't you don't just get in

2073
01:44:57,400 --> 01:44:59,479
Speaker 1: because of the family, because you're gonna get in there?

2074
01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:03,519
Speaker 1: Are you equipped once you get there? It's cool to go,

2075
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:06,559
Speaker 1: it's cool to have the opportunity, but you can also

2076
01:45:06,600 --> 01:45:10,400
Speaker 1: be exposed awfully quickly. And for Bronnie, I don't know that,

2077
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:13,040
Speaker 1: and you would know this better than me, Aaron, But

2078
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:16,320
Speaker 1: it just seems like everything's been laid out for him

2079
01:45:17,560 --> 01:45:20,000
Speaker 1: and he didn't ever have to Like his natural talent,

2080
01:45:20,120 --> 01:45:21,960
Speaker 1: his ability to grow and all that and to be

2081
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:24,400
Speaker 1: a kid, all that was removed from him a long

2082
01:45:24,439 --> 01:45:26,880
Speaker 1: time ago. Because this whole thing has kind of been

2083
01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:29,200
Speaker 1: set out. There's been a road laid, there's been a

2084
01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:32,559
Speaker 1: path laid, there's been talks behind the scenes, there's been

2085
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:37,080
Speaker 1: this arrangement or this and all this other kind of stuff.

2086
01:45:37,240 --> 01:45:41,120
Speaker 1: Lebron or Bronnie hasn't had the opportunity to be a

2087
01:45:41,160 --> 01:45:44,080
Speaker 1: young man and just a basketball player, because he said,

2088
01:45:44,479 --> 01:45:46,439
Speaker 1: just let him play, let him work. It's like, no,

2089
01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:49,600
Speaker 1: that was taken away from him years ago. Lebron. He

2090
01:45:49,680 --> 01:45:51,960
Speaker 1: can't work, he can't do all this kind of stuff

2091
01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:54,960
Speaker 1: because he's been put out here in front of everybody

2092
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:57,680
Speaker 1: long before he was ready to be, if he was

2093
01:45:57,720 --> 01:46:01,240
Speaker 1: ever going to be ready to be. Now, he's going

2094
01:46:01,320 --> 01:46:04,840
Speaker 1: to take these kind of strays. He's gonna take these

2095
01:46:04,960 --> 01:46:08,599
Speaker 1: kinds of shots. He's gonna take the jokes and they're

2096
01:46:08,640 --> 01:46:11,080
Speaker 1: not meant to be personal, and they're not meant to

2097
01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:13,559
Speaker 1: be at his expense. But you reap what you sow

2098
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:16,440
Speaker 1: and that's kind of what this feels like to me, unfortunately.

2099
01:46:16,439 --> 01:46:18,439
Speaker 1: And I'm rooting for him. I want to see him

2100
01:46:18,439 --> 01:46:20,840
Speaker 1: be good, but I do think that he's already had

2101
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:23,840
Speaker 1: hands tied behind his back, even though the people that

2102
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:26,040
Speaker 1: were doing it thought they were doing the opposite.

2103
01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:28,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that last part is the most important part.

2104
01:46:30,280 --> 01:46:33,000
Speaker 2: I think. You know, Listen, we talked about this a

2105
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:37,080
Speaker 2: little bit earlier with Caleb Williams Dad. I'm sure, in

2106
01:46:37,160 --> 01:46:39,640
Speaker 2: his heart of hearts, Lebron thought he was doing what

2107
01:46:39,720 --> 01:46:41,439
Speaker 2: was best for his son, and I think he was

2108
01:46:41,479 --> 01:46:44,000
Speaker 2: sincere in saying I want to play with him in

2109
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:47,559
Speaker 2: the NBA, and I have structured my contract as such

2110
01:46:47,960 --> 01:46:50,880
Speaker 2: that I can move around the first year that he

2111
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:54,400
Speaker 2: will be eligible. Again, I hate saying it. I don't

2112
01:46:54,439 --> 01:46:57,880
Speaker 2: think Lebron thought of any of the negative downside consequences.

2113
01:46:57,880 --> 01:46:59,080
Speaker 2: And it was funny. I was talking to some people

2114
01:46:59,080 --> 01:47:01,320
Speaker 2: about it this week, like, I think the whole tweet

2115
01:47:01,400 --> 01:47:04,439
Speaker 2: of let the kid be a kid and enjoy college,

2116
01:47:04,479 --> 01:47:08,000
Speaker 2: I think that's without him actually saying it, because I

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Speaker 2: don't think Lebron has enough self awareness to actually admit

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Speaker 2: that he was wrong. I think that's kind of his

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Speaker 2: way of saying it was probably unfair of me to

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Speaker 2: put these expectations on this kid, because yeah, ever since

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Speaker 2: Lebron literally structured his contract in such a manner that

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Speaker 2: he could become a free agent the year that Bronnie

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Speaker 2: James was first eligible for the NBA draft, the implication was,

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Speaker 2: and I think he's even said it on the record,

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Speaker 2: like I'm gonna go where And he said it like

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go wherever Bronni goes. So in theory, like

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Speaker 2: if Bronni was drafted by the New Orleans Hornets or

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Speaker 2: New Orleans Pelicans, I don't know why I got New

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Speaker 2: Orleans Hornets. That's like ten years ago New Orleans Pelicans.

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Speaker 2: In theory he would go play in New Orleans to

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Speaker 2: play with bronni that whatever would that have ever happened?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but Lebron put a lot of this

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Speaker 2: on his son himself. Jase anything else before we switch gears,

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Speaker 2: get over to Saga and kind of wrap No.

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Speaker 1: No, I think pretty well covers. Like I said, we're

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Speaker 1: not rooting against so as a matter of fact, I'd

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Speaker 1: like to see him turn it around. But it's the

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Speaker 1: whole thing about it right now is just really unfortunate

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Speaker 1: for him because he doesn't have an opportunity to make

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Speaker 1: his own name.

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Speaker 2: Nothing that I disagree with. There nothing that I discrew

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Speaker 2: with at all. Fox Sports Radio Eric Tors, Jason mart

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Speaker 2: will come back one more college hoops topic. We'll switch gears.

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Speaker 2: Get to that. Before we do, let's toss it over

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Speaker 2: the news desk to Sega. What is trending?

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Speaker 5: Often when I hear the phrase mock draft, I am

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01:48:28,640 --> 01:48:32,240
Speaker 5: reminded that former Kentucky quarterback Andre Woodson was once a

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01:48:32,360 --> 01:48:35,599
Speaker 5: first rounder in an NFL mock draft. And while most

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Speaker 5: people say who we will then say see exactly and

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01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:42,720
Speaker 5: it was LeVar ball on Colin Cowherd once. Remember that

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01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:46,559
Speaker 5: guaranteed all three of us sons would play together in

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01:48:46,600 --> 01:48:50,559
Speaker 5: the NBA. There are a lot of sons of former

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Speaker 5: NBA players in LA high school basketball tons Lebron James

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01:48:55,720 --> 01:49:01,120
Speaker 5: with sons plural, Scottie Pippen with sons, Trevor Razi, Yeah,

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01:49:01,240 --> 01:49:04,880
Speaker 5: Matt Barnes famously has sons in high school basketball in LA.

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01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:08,920
Speaker 2: Robert Lorrie Anymore yelling at some fourteen year old kid

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Speaker 2: on the mic.

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Speaker 5: But just tonight, Gilbert Arenas son scored fifty three points

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Speaker 5: as they advanced to a regional final from Chatsworth High

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01:49:16,360 --> 01:49:19,519
Speaker 5: which I looked up. Famous alumps from Chatsworth High School

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Speaker 5: in LA include Kirk Cameron, Val Kilmer, and the late

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01:49:23,120 --> 01:49:27,360
Speaker 5: Great Angels announcer Rory Marcus, but also Matt Castle, after

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01:49:27,400 --> 01:49:29,639
Speaker 5: he was in the Little League World Series in the nineties,

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01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:32,880
Speaker 5: went to Chatsworth High School, USC, and he's of course

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Speaker 5: a trivia item in Tom Brady's long Patriots career because

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Speaker 5: people may not remember early in the season Brady got

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Speaker 5: hurt and the Patriots still got double digit wins that

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Speaker 5: year with Matt Castle at quarterback two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 2: I'll say this, not to make eleven at five, right, yeah,

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Speaker 2: not to make this a Matt Castle thing. I think

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Speaker 2: it was eleven and five. But that really was what

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01:49:52,840 --> 01:49:58,400
Speaker 2: I think gave Belichick the mystique that carried post Brady,

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01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:00,479
Speaker 2: because everyone was like, well, how good is gonna be Post?

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Speaker 2: Pretty well? He to Jason's point, he won eleven games

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Speaker 2: with Matt Castle. He's the greatest ever. And then we

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Speaker 2: see that maybe at that point it was the system

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Speaker 2: and that Matt Castle for one year could be a.

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Speaker 5: Bridge and Castle wasn't with the Payriots the next year

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Speaker 5: after that, off to some other team in the NBA. Tonight,

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Speaker 5: Lebron James did go over forty thousand career points. LA

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01:50:19,680 --> 01:50:21,519
Speaker 5: did not win the final three minutes of the game.

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Speaker 5: Though defending champion Denver has won six straight since the

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Speaker 5: All Star Break. It beat the Lakers one twenty four

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Speaker 5: one to fourteen, James with twenty six points, Nicola Jokic

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Speaker 5: with thirty five. Nuggets had led by one with about

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Speaker 5: three minutes left. Denver's beating the Lakers eight straight games.

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01:50:37,160 --> 01:50:40,960
Speaker 5: Houston and Portland with wins. Blazers won in overtime at Memphis.

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Speaker 5: Wins today for Brooklyn and Miami. In college hoops, one

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Speaker 5: week left in the regular season, Number one Houston won

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01:50:47,560 --> 01:50:50,240
Speaker 5: on a last second jumper at Oklahoma tonight eighty seven

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Speaker 5: eighty five. Number two per Due beat Michigan State, fourth

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Speaker 5: rank Tennessee won at Alabama Balls now alone and first

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Speaker 5: in the SEC. Creighton beat number five Marquette Baylor over

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Speaker 5: number seven Kansas. Ninth ran North Carolina had come from

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01:51:03,520 --> 01:51:07,400
Speaker 5: behind to defeat NC State. Wins for Kentucky, South Carolina

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Speaker 5: and Gonzaga won the late game tonight at Saint Mary's

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Speaker 5: seventy to fifty seven. Zags led by sixteen at the half,

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Speaker 5: ending the West Coast Conference regular season with a win

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Speaker 5: over the first place team. Saint Mary's had been fifteen

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Speaker 5: to oher in league play again. Caitlin Clark's last regular

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Speaker 5: season home game at IWA was on Fox TV tomorrow

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Speaker 5: one pm Eastern time. Number two Ohio states at number

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Speaker 5: six Iowa at NASCAR's on Fox TV again tomorrow from

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Speaker 5: Las Vegas three thirty pm Eastern time. In the NHL,

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01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:40,919
Speaker 5: Nashville won its eighth straight game. Toronto got a shootout

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Speaker 5: victory and the Lake contest was a comeback win at

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01:51:43,800 --> 01:51:46,519
Speaker 5: Calgary Flames over the Penguins four to three. The Denver

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01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:49,400
Speaker 5: Broncos are due to cut quarterback Russell Wilson by next week.

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Speaker 5: According to The Athletic, the forty nine Ers are promoting

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Speaker 5: Nick Sorenson to defensive coordinator and hiring Brandon Staley, likely

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Speaker 5: as assistant head coach former Steelers linebacker Andy Russell Petway

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Speaker 5: at the age of eighty two. As for Major League

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Speaker 5: Soccer on Fox today, Miami won five nothing over Orlando

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01:52:06,960 --> 01:52:10,439
Speaker 5: Lionel Messi two second half goals. Rail Salt Lake won

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Speaker 5: at home in a heavy snow three to nothing against LAFC.

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01:52:13,560 --> 01:52:16,719
Speaker 5: The field was all white all game. In Utah, US

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Speaker 5: women's soccer, coming off a loss to Mexico this past week,

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01:52:19,880 --> 01:52:22,559
Speaker 5: plays in La Sunday night against Columbia that ends this

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Speaker 5: weekend's quarterfinals of the new Women's Gold Cup tournament, and

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01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:28,720
Speaker 5: finally to baseball at spring training. The Royals allowed five

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01:52:28,760 --> 01:52:32,280
Speaker 5: homers today and still won thirteen to twelve against the Guardians.

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Speaker 5: Texas defending champs won fourteen to three over the White Sox.

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Speaker 5: Rangers prospect Wyatt Langford three for four five RBIs including

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Speaker 5: two homers. Braves outfielder Ronald Acunya did not play again

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Speaker 5: due to a sore knee after a rundown on the

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Speaker 5: basis Thursday. He'll have further evaluation on Monday. Acunya, they say,

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01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:54,559
Speaker 5: has irritation around the meniscus, but is it is not

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Speaker 5: expected to keep him out for opening Day, which is

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Speaker 5: late March. Atlanta won at spring training game sixty two

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Speaker 5: over Toronto.

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Speaker 2: Back to you, Thank you very much, Steve de Seger.

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Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Radio. Fox Sports Saturday Airitors Jason Martin,

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Speaker 2: broadcasting live from the Tireck dot Com studios.

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Speaker 1: Tell you what.

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Speaker 2: Jason will come back, hit on a few stories that

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Speaker 2: we have not gotten to. Little college oops, little NFL.

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Speaker 2: That's all next, Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back, everybody, Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Radio eritors Jason Martin, broadcasting live from the tire

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Speaker 2: rack dot Com studios. Twelve minutes from now. Bernie Fratto

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Speaker 2: of The Bernie Fraddo Show will follow us. Can't wait

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Speaker 2: to listen to what Bernie has to say about all

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Speaker 2: the big stories across sports this week. Jason want to

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01:53:42,439 --> 01:53:44,679
Speaker 2: go ahead and wrap on a few different things.

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Speaker 3: One.

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Speaker 2: First of all, de Seger mentioned this just a minute ago,

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01:53:47,400 --> 01:53:52,200
Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark's senior night. You know, I know you have

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01:53:52,200 --> 01:53:54,360
Speaker 2: a daughter. She's probably a little young to be getting

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01:53:54,360 --> 01:53:57,840
Speaker 2: into sports. Has the Caitlin Clark's story captivated you in

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01:53:57,880 --> 01:53:59,320
Speaker 2: any way, shape or form.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's great, it's great, and certainly I've wanted

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Speaker 1: to wanted to see what she was going to do

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01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:09,439
Speaker 1: what I have hated, and I've seen this, and I

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01:54:09,439 --> 01:54:14,880
Speaker 1: think it's just it just shows that some people are

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01:54:14,920 --> 01:54:17,280
Speaker 1: just never going to be satisfied. It's when you immediately

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Speaker 1: start trying to compare it to pistol pete and two

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Speaker 1: men and to what would she do here? And could

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Speaker 1: what could she do in this circumstance. Just what she's

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01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:27,280
Speaker 1: doing in women's basketball is awesome? Can we just appreciate

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01:54:27,320 --> 01:54:30,080
Speaker 1: it for what it is? And is am I going

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01:54:30,160 --> 01:54:32,640
Speaker 1: to be more apt to at least look at the

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Speaker 1: score sheets and all that after the fact to see

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Speaker 1: how she does night after night and ad WNBA. Yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I want to see what she does. I want to

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Speaker 1: see what her stats look like. The question is is

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Speaker 1: that gonna get me to sit down and watch a

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Speaker 1: w NBA game? I must be honest, no, because I

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Speaker 1: just it's not a product that appeals to me. Maybe

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Speaker 1: that could change, but it's gonna take some work there.

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Speaker 1: There's just nothing there for me right now. I will

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Speaker 1: kind of from afar keep tabs on what she does,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think it's gonna change my opinion overall

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Speaker 1: on using my time to watch the WNBA.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think I guess that would be an

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01:55:14,720 --> 01:55:17,400
Speaker 2: interesting thing to kind of monitor over the next year

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01:55:17,440 --> 01:55:20,240
Speaker 2: or two, which I think people will be is does

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01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:23,480
Speaker 2: she actually bring viewers with her from college to the pros?

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01:55:23,560 --> 01:55:26,040
Speaker 2: Because it was interesting, like like a few weeks ago,

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01:55:26,160 --> 01:55:28,800
Speaker 2: Jay Williams on ESPN, you know, he had some comments

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Speaker 2: that I don't think they were like the best phrased comments,

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01:55:32,640 --> 01:55:36,120
Speaker 2: but he basically said like she can't be great until

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01:55:36,160 --> 01:55:38,720
Speaker 2: she wins at the highest level, and like, I don't

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01:55:38,720 --> 01:55:41,320
Speaker 2: agree with that, but I do think there has been

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01:55:41,360 --> 01:55:44,080
Speaker 2: some discourse and he mentioned like, hey, Diana Tarazzi won

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01:55:44,120 --> 01:55:47,920
Speaker 2: three titles, Brianna Stewart won four titles, and I get it,

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01:55:47,960 --> 01:55:50,080
Speaker 2: I'm a uku guy, whatever, but I do think there

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01:55:50,080 --> 01:55:52,880
Speaker 2: has been some stuff about, you know, she's the most

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01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:55,480
Speaker 2: influential women's player ever blah blah blah, and I think

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01:55:55,520 --> 01:55:58,160
Speaker 2: what Jason Williams, Jay will was trying to say. Jay Williams,

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01:55:58,200 --> 01:56:00,440
Speaker 2: I should say, was trying to say, was like, hey,

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Speaker 2: there's been other great players before, and let's not like

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01:56:04,160 --> 01:56:08,960
Speaker 2: diminish what they've done to elevate her. And so why

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01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:10,360
Speaker 2: I bring it up is because I do think there

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01:56:10,400 --> 01:56:13,400
Speaker 2: will be an interesting thing to monitor of is there

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01:56:13,440 --> 01:56:17,160
Speaker 2: any correlation between her bringing new fans to the WNBA

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01:56:17,280 --> 01:56:19,120
Speaker 2: and those are things that you know, we'll be able

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01:56:19,120 --> 01:56:21,640
Speaker 2: to monitor and everything like that. What I will say,

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01:56:21,680 --> 01:56:25,160
Speaker 2: like I found and again because this is just the

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Speaker 2: world that we live in. Like you said, everybody brings

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Speaker 2: negativity to conversations. But I thought the discourse on her

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01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:34,080
Speaker 2: got a little bit mixed up this week where well

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01:56:34,320 --> 01:56:36,160
Speaker 2: a lot of people started talking about well, you know,

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Speaker 2: like I guess people were saying like, well, could she

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01:56:39,680 --> 01:56:43,160
Speaker 2: make more staying in college? And then the WNBA people

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01:56:43,160 --> 01:56:45,760
Speaker 2: were like, well, under this clause she can make It's like,

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01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:48,200
Speaker 2: I don't think that's really what people are saying. Is

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Speaker 2: I do think it's a fair question. Nobody knows the

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01:56:51,840 --> 01:56:56,240
Speaker 2: specifics of monetary but I do think there is a

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01:56:56,320 --> 01:57:00,280
Speaker 2: question of what sport gives her more exposure, which is

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01:57:00,280 --> 01:57:02,200
Speaker 2: exactly what we're just talking about. I think it's easy

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01:57:02,240 --> 01:57:04,320
Speaker 2: to say, you know, it's time for her to move on,

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01:57:04,360 --> 01:57:08,160
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. But listen, college college basketball, women's college

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01:57:08,200 --> 01:57:10,960
Speaker 2: basketball is a great stage. And to the point that

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01:57:11,000 --> 01:57:13,680
Speaker 2: you just brought up, I don't know that there really

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01:57:13,720 --> 01:57:15,680
Speaker 2: has been any woman as great as all of them

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01:57:15,680 --> 01:57:20,600
Speaker 2: have been. Brianna Stewart, Diana Tarazzi, you know, Candice Parker.

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01:57:21,160 --> 01:57:22,960
Speaker 2: I don't know that there has been one that has

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01:57:23,320 --> 01:57:26,720
Speaker 2: brought a significant audience with them from college to the

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01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:29,560
Speaker 2: professional ranks. And I'll be curious to see if she's

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01:57:29,600 --> 01:57:31,839
Speaker 2: able to do that next year in the WNBA.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's all right. I'm gonna do like

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Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna pay attention to, you know, how

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01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:38,760
Speaker 1: she scores and all of that, and I'm sure I'll

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01:57:38,760 --> 01:57:41,880
Speaker 1: watch some highlights. I just and maybe all right, So

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01:57:41,960 --> 01:57:44,720
Speaker 1: let's say her game is on on I don't know,

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Speaker 1: a random Tuesday night or a Thursday night. Am I

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Speaker 1: more app to stay and watch two minutes of that game? Yes?

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01:57:51,600 --> 01:57:54,160
Speaker 1: Am I more app to watch that game start to finish? No?

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01:57:54,800 --> 01:57:57,840
Speaker 1: I just I'm not a consumer of that product, and

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01:57:58,000 --> 01:58:00,960
Speaker 1: I think I still represent the vast major the country.

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Speaker 1: I'm more much more of a college women's basketball fan

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Speaker 1: than a WNBA fan between the two.

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Speaker 2: And it'll be interesting. It'll be interesting to follow really quickly.

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Speaker 2: So want to get to one final story. Unfortunately, we

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Speaker 2: do have the audio, but it's not very good, so

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Speaker 2: I will just read it to you. NFL Combine Tyler Owens. Oh, yes, again,

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Speaker 2: we do not have the audio, so I apologize. He

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01:58:26,600 --> 01:58:31,320
Speaker 2: is from Texas Tech was asking what was asked about

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Speaker 2: a variety of different things with the media earlier this week.

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Speaker 2: Here's a direct quote from Tyler Owens. I don't believe

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Speaker 2: in space. I'm really religious, so I think we're alone

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Speaker 2: right now. I don't think there's other planets and other

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01:58:46,640 --> 01:58:50,240
Speaker 2: stuff like that. He continued with some other stuff. What

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01:58:50,280 --> 01:58:53,320
Speaker 2: did you think of Tyler Owens saying I don't believe

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01:58:53,560 --> 01:58:55,840
Speaker 2: in space? Jason Martin?

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01:58:58,680 --> 01:59:02,040
Speaker 1: My first reaction was how good is he as a

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01:59:02,080 --> 01:59:07,680
Speaker 1: football player? You know what I'm saying? Sure, I mean

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01:59:08,760 --> 01:59:13,200
Speaker 1: him saying he's really religious? So am I scripture would

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01:59:13,240 --> 01:59:18,720
Speaker 1: teach you Tyler that your take is not necessarily backed up.

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Speaker 1: But again my initial reaction was just how good is he?

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Speaker 1: I don't know if Tyler owens, but I'm hopeful for

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01:59:25,800 --> 01:59:30,440
Speaker 1: him that he's really good at football, because if so,

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01:59:30,800 --> 01:59:32,800
Speaker 1: we can overlook a lot of things in this country

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01:59:32,800 --> 01:59:34,760
Speaker 1: when it comes to giving you opportunities to play in

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01:59:34,800 --> 01:59:36,640
Speaker 1: the pros. But if you happen to be a wide

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01:59:36,680 --> 01:59:40,080
Speaker 1: receiver and you run five to one uh oh, then

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01:59:40,120 --> 01:59:41,800
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, that Planet's talk is going to

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01:59:41,880 --> 01:59:45,280
Speaker 1: cost you some draft positions. But I mean I at first,

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Speaker 1: I was just like, is he kidding around? Is he

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01:59:46,920 --> 01:59:52,960
Speaker 1: having fun? Obviously, anybody's entitled to their opinions. That one

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Speaker 1: definitely took the cake for me. That that was That

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Speaker 1: was a great story. I'll say that