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Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up, straight firefam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight

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Speaker 2: Fire for Thursday, April twenty fourth, also known as Draft Day. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I have seen the Kevin Coster movie Draft Day. I

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Speaker 2: did not think it was awful. I did not think

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Speaker 2: it was great.

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Speaker 3: It was just a movie.

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Speaker 2: It was not memorable. I actually probably need to watch

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Speaker 3: Stood out for the movie.

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Speaker 2: I'm a Coster guy, though, so that's why a lot

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Speaker 2: of people just think it was awful and hacky, and

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Speaker 2: I just I like Costner. I think he's in some

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Speaker 2: good stuff, especially Yellowstone. But yeah, Draft Days exciting. I'm

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Speaker 2: glad they made a movie out of it. And I

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Speaker 2: submitted my bets to Fox Sports for the draft and

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Speaker 2: to celebrate the draft. I got my main man Ta

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Speaker 2: you know him from the NFL season. He's got his

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Speaker 2: uh his website uh t Clevanalytics dot com obviously for

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Speaker 2: NFL picks. He does the contest. He has some draft bets.

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Speaker 2: He offers him the best draft bet that he liked.

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Speaker 2: Well there that we'll get to them at the end

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Speaker 2: of the interview. But uh Buffalo to drafted running back

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Speaker 2: that's spicy and like his logic that behind it is great.

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Speaker 2: I think you guys will really like it. The draft

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Speaker 2: tonight is going to be exciting. Obviously, we know Cam

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Speaker 2: gets Ashton Gent? There's not a lot of star power

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Speaker 2: in the draft. For instance, I love Tyler Warren, the

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Speaker 2: TA talks about regarding Tyler Warren, which is not great

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Speaker 2: if you're the Jets and you think you're gonna get

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Speaker 2: Tyler Warren. Doesn't sound like the Jets are gonna take

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Speaker 2: him anyways. I think you'll really like the uh interview

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Speaker 2: with Ta before that n b A on Wednesday night

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Speaker 2: was not phenomenal the Rockets as predicted on this podcast.

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Speaker 2: I hope you saw the ig post Mona four. They

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Speaker 2: easily cover versus the Warriors. And the big story is

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Speaker 2: that Jimmy Butler took a hard fall early in the game,

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Speaker 2: They're calling it a pelvic injury. He's getting an MRI

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Speaker 2: today and that could change the series. Now if he

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Speaker 2: has to just miss Game three. The Warriors could probably

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Speaker 2: still win Game three without him. But remember this is

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Speaker 2: a feisty Rockets team, and if you watch this game closely,

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Speaker 2: I watched this more than the other two. News flash,

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Speaker 2: we're not talking about the Celtics beating the Magic without Tatum.

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Speaker 2: Like I that game was like just.

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Speaker 2: Celtics never really felt threatened. It's just kind of a

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Speaker 2: boring game. I am all in on Palo Banco. I

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Speaker 2: just kind of sort of toying with them. Ban Cao

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Speaker 2: at thirty two, but jay leb Brown had thirty six,

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Speaker 2: the other game, Cleveland, Miamy made a huge comeback and

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Speaker 2: I actually I'm trying to think. I don't think Cleveland

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Speaker 2: The Jalen This is being called the Jalen Green game.

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Speaker 2: He was the best Green in the game. I think

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Speaker 2: Hit eight threes, went off in the third quarter when

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Speaker 2: the Rockets pulled away. Listen, Jalen Greed is an interesting player.

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Speaker 2: He is immensely talented. This skill is off the charts.

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Speaker 2: He's got a huge bag. He's twenty three years old.

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Speaker 2: Comparing him to Michael Jordan, but it's almost like a

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Speaker 2: like the G League and Jyalen's green is he's prone

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Speaker 2: Steph Curry was largely bottled up twenty points on fifteen shots,

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Speaker 2: Game three it is a toss up. I think the

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Speaker 2: eight threes again? Probably not, but Shengon is a very

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Speaker 2: His measurements and his steals and his blocks, deflections, everything

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Speaker 2: just telling you is a he's a good player. Tory

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Speaker 2: It makes sense. The teams are gonna want Tarry Easton.

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Speaker 3: Or was he two? He went? Oh he went number

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Speaker 2: Anyways, not an amazing night in the league. Now tonight's crazy.

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Speaker 2: You gotta fire up two TVs. You got the draft

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Speaker 2: starting at five Pacific, eight Eastern. You got as an appetizer,

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Speaker 3: Folks, you know Nicks are my team.

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Speaker 2: You asked me who I betting here? Is probably gonna

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Speaker 2: be Detroit. I have nothing fired yet. I'm done with Memphis.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's even worth watching. And I actually

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Speaker 2: think Denver LA might be the most fascinating series. I

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Speaker 2: I'm eager to see that one as well as the draft. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: plenty of draft coverage tomorrow. Very stoked. It is a

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Speaker 2: good good weekend for sports. To get NBA playoffs. You

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Speaker 2: got the draft. I love it.

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Speaker 3: Keep it locked here on straight Fire.

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Speaker 2: I know what's words stance one.

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Speaker 1: But for everything he doesn't. He knows a guy who does.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome back to the pod for a

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Speaker 2: NFL Draft special. My main man, Ta. You know, he's

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Speaker 2: got his website, he does gambling, he does NFL draft

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Speaker 2: free agency. Uh, Ta, how you doing, man, It's a

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Speaker 4: It's good, good, Jason Y. I'm finalizing my mock I

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Speaker 4: entered these mock contests and it's all about pride. There's

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Speaker 4: it's always you're so many different pieces of information late,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're we're doing this talk here about eight thirty

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think though some of those guys had really

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, So I went back and we looked since

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Speaker 2: It seems like the Jags one is interesting. They are

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Speaker 4: It's really hard to know. I mean, you have a

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Speaker 4: that's what the Jags did this year. So we don't

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Speaker 4: And yeah, it's it's different. It's not like the Rams

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Speaker 2: What do you think? What do you make of this?

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Speaker 2: Do you think there's any chance they take Membo the

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Speaker 4: There, Yeah, I mean, if you want to go off

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Speaker 2: What do you want your brother? What do you want

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Speaker 4: And first, that's opposite of what everybody's been had been

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Speaker 4: And so I think that's how they got to that point,

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Speaker 4: Would you agree, Yeah, he could take He could take

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Speaker 4: Bridgewater level quarterback, which which isn't bat by the way,

432
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Speaker 4: Teddy Teddy Bridgewater in his prime before the AD. Yeah,

433
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,840
Speaker 4: he can be like the sixteen you know, the fifteen

434
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 4: and eighteenth best quarterback, which is perfectly fine. It's in

435
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Speaker 4: the Derek Carr range, is in the Kirk Cousins range.

436
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 4: Like you can win with those guys. And I don't

437
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 4: think there's anything wrong with that. And I certainly, as

438
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 4: a Browns fan, wouldn't be opposed to that. But he doesn't.

439
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,919
Speaker 4: Nobody thinks he's a top five you know, he's not

440
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,200
Speaker 4: justin Herbert. He's not no hell Josh Allen. So if

441
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Speaker 4: that's the case, if.

442
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Speaker 2: You go, wait, hold on, time out, tell me you

443
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,880
Speaker 2: said Josh Allen when Josh Allen was taken. I don't

444
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 2: do you think anybody thought the kid from Wyoming who

445
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 2: was like fifty six percent completions could be a top

446
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Speaker 2: five quarterback MVP.

447
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Speaker 4: Well physically, yeah, physically people did. It was all about accuracy, right,

448
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 4: it was only an accuracy issue, and nobody thought it

449
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 4: could be fixed, and it was. But he did have

450
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Speaker 4: I mean, he had came in an arm. He was

451
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Speaker 4: very six yeah big. You know, Sanders doesn't have any

452
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Speaker 4: of that. He's not he's not overly athletic. He's not

453
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Speaker 4: you know, Jaln Milroe, he's not you know, he's just

454
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Speaker 4: an average athlete. He has an average arm. He doesn't

455
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Speaker 4: have a strong arm. So you know, I guess if

456
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 4: you don't have a strong arm, you are an average athlete.

457
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 4: You're not you know, huge, You're not a big guy.

458
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,120
Speaker 4: So what do you what is your superpower? Like it's

459
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Speaker 4: very hard to see a guy like that. You know,

460
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Speaker 4: those guys don't become elite quarterbacks. They just don't unless

461
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Speaker 4: you're in a you know, mister Brock party and a

462
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Speaker 4: you know, in a Shanahan system. And even him, you know,

463
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 4: he's not a breeze Yeah. So like, but but Drew

464
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Speaker 4: Brees was highly athletic, like he was, Uh.

465
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Speaker 2: I mean, should doors at least as athletic as Drew Brees.

466
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Speaker 4: No, sorry, not athletic, sorry, accurate.

467
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Speaker 2: Accurate ch was like eight seventy five percent accuracy last year. Now,

468
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 2: I know he was doing a lot of checkdown stuff.

469
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Speaker 4: But and by the way, I'm not saying you can't

470
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Speaker 4: be like I said when I say Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr,

471
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Speaker 4: like those are solid quarterbacks that he'll be in the

472
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Speaker 4: league for ten.

473
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Speaker 2: Here's the thing. Let me ask you, though, we watched

474
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Speaker 2: a full season with shadoor Standers, Colorado was a dumpster fire.

475
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Speaker 2: Before he got there. He was pretty damn good. I'm

476
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Speaker 2: not saying he was awesome, but every week he was good.

477
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Speaker 2: And this is my issue with the draft. TA and you.

478
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Speaker 2: You talked to some NFL people, and every time I

479
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Speaker 2: talk to him, this is like an interesting point. All season, man,

480
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 2: that guy's good. He raises the level of his teammates.

481
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 2: He has no running game, no offensive line, and a

482
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Speaker 2: lot of the times he was keeping his team in games.

483
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Speaker 2: And then you get to the next four months no

484
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 2: games are played, and all of a sudden, it's yes,

485
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 2: Shador can't do that. He cannot do that. I don't

486
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,960
Speaker 2: think we are and you start picking these guys apart,

487
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 2: and I just I wonder, is it a little overreactionary

488
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 2: with four months and no games that Like, listen, if

489
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 2: Shadoor goes to he's not gonna go but Kevin O'Connell

490
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 2: or something, he's gonna be really freaking good.

491
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Speaker 4: No, I don't know. I don't think he was that

492
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,239
Speaker 4: elite of a prospect during the season. I didn't hear that.

493
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Speaker 4: Maybe I wasn't in the same circles, but I just

494
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Speaker 4: thought it was kind of by the fault he was

495
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 4: being talked about as a top five pick because there

496
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Speaker 4: was no other quarterback quarterback ward. So I don't know. Like, again,

497
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 4: I'm not disparaging the guy. I don't think he's bad.

498
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,640
Speaker 4: And I look, I want the Browns to trade back

499
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Speaker 4: up and take him in the twenties. That would be great.

500
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Speaker 2: Well you do want him, Yeah, I.

501
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Speaker 4: Would take him because I think I think he gives

502
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Speaker 4: you enough. I think the biggest issue with I've learned

503
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 4: in my years of and I've loved the draft since

504
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 4: I was a little kid, and I've had opinions, and

505
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,199
Speaker 4: it's just nobody knows what a good quarterback is. I

506
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 4: think that is the bottom line, right, Like how many

507
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 4: just complete busts and how wrong we've been with first round,

508
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 4: top five picks and we just saw Zach Wilson for example.

509
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Speaker 4: It's just we are just so wrong about quarter as.

510
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Speaker 4: We don't know what makes a good quarterback. So I

511
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Speaker 4: am not over You can't be so confident in our

512
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 4: analysis and our projections that we were completely blind to

513
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 4: you know, the potential that you know, maybe he could

514
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Speaker 4: be really good. I don't know, but I just you know,

515
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Speaker 4: based on who based on the traits of an elite

516
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 4: quarterback right now, he doesn't necessarily possess those, But I

517
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Speaker 4: do think he's got a range where he can be

518
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Speaker 4: a solid quarterback and in you know, with with good

519
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 4: surroundings and a good coach like he can be very

520
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 4: very solid as a quarterback. So that's just know where

521
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 4: I stay. And I just think those guys though, like honestly, Jason, uh,

522
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Speaker 4: if they didn't take Sanders, if they didn't take them,

523
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Speaker 4: and wait until next year to take a quarterback, and

524
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 4: again you don't know how you're gonna pick, but quite honestly,

525
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 4: like you know, if if Sanders is typically the fourth

526
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Speaker 4: or fifth best quarterback in a normal average quarterback class,

527
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 4: you get those guys every year. You don't You can't

528
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 4: tell me that the Browns are not gonna be in

529
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Speaker 4: position to take the fourth or fifth best level quarterback

530
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Speaker 4: next year in a draft. You know, it's like or

531
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Speaker 4: even better. So it's not like it's okay. If you

532
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 4: don't get him now, you're not gonna get him, You're

533
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Speaker 4: not gonna get a really good quarterback like this again

534
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 4: next year, or you don't know that. I just think

535
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Speaker 4: kind of those opportunities do come every year.

536
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Speaker 2: So I would largely agree with the NFL doesn't know

541
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Speaker 2: how to pick quarterbacks. They don't know what makes a

542
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 2: good quarterback. For instance, Kyle Shanahan trades upper Tray Lance

543
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 2: and it was I mean, he's gotten so lucky that Brockberdy,

544
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: the last pick in the draft, turns out to be

545
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 2: a stud, and Trey Lance was a complete and utter bust. Now,

546
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 2: the Brockberdy was interesting because everybody saw him at Iowa

547
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 2: State and it was like, after a year or two, oh, yeah,

548
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 2: he's gonna be a pro. And then he stuck around

549
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, he can't do this, he's small.

550
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. I mean Brockberdy some of the stats

551
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 2: you post, the EPA stats for like a two year

552
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Speaker 2: stretch he was a top five, top ten quarterback in

553
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Speaker 2: the league.

554
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Speaker 4: Nope, yep, yeah, that's that's a very outlier system. I

555
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 4: mean Kyle Shanahan made Nick Mullins, you know, and made c. J.

556
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 4: Bethler like those guys have had good moments. It's not

557
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 4: like I mean, if you put brock Party on the Browns,

558
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 4: I don't think you know, he's he's he's probably the

559
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 4: twentieth best QUARTERBA with Stefanski. Yeah, I just don't. It's

560
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 4: you know, with those weapons, and that's that system is

561
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 4: so good. So again, I I totally get it. And

562
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 4: I don't mind Sanders on the Browns and I wouldn't

563
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 4: mind taking him. I have found a trade up. But

564
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 4: there's no reason to take him at too. You don't

565
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 4: have to. There's just no reason. You can have your

566
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 4: cake and eat it too. You could take a hunter,

567
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 4: have a elite level player there, and then come back

568
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 4: up and take Sanders. And if you don't, if for

569
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 4: whatever reason, he goes too high, you know, you can

570
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 4: find a guy like Sanders or better next year. I

571
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 4: know it's not great. You don't want that. I don't

572
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 4: want Joe Flacco as my starting quarterback this year, but

573
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 4: that's just kind of the reality situation.

574
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Speaker 2: It's interesting, you know, every position has these random guys

575
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 2: who pop through the system and dominate. But if you

576
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: look at quarterback around the league right now, Joe Burrow

577
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: first overall pick. These are just the TV's leaders last

578
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: year and the TV's of one metric. You can look

579
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: up EPA and everything. Burrow, Mayfield, Lamar Goff, Darnold Nicks, Rogers,

580
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 2: Alan Mahomes, Jordan Love, Jaden Daniels, Justin Herbert. All of

581
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Speaker 2: those are first round picks, every single one. That's staggering,

582
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Speaker 2: and a lot of them were number one. We're top,

583
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 2: you know, seven to ten. It is weird, though, like

584
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 2: would you consider bo Nixon outlier or not? Did you

585
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: like him a lot?

586
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 4: Uh? I thought he was. I mean, I wasn't that

587
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 4: high on him. But here's the thing with bon Nicks,

588
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 4: we have to understand like he was, he's probably hyped

589
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 4: up a little bit too much. Last year, if you

590
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 4: look at all the advanced mattrics, he was like the

591
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 4: twentieth best quarterback. People were talking about him as Rookie

592
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 4: of the Year, which made no sense. I mean, Jaden

593
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 4: Daniels was elite and is doing was doing what he

594
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 4: was doing with no weapons around him and a bad defense.

595
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Speaker 4: So you know, I think Nix's ceiling is essentially what

596
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 4: you're what you saw. I don't think his trajectory means

597
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 4: he's going to be a top ten quarterback. So I

598
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 4: just think he was really good fast because he was

599
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 4: he was on the top defense in the hand of

600
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 4: Valley at Sean Payton and he kind of hit his ceiling.

601
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 4: I think he hit his ceiling immediately, So we'll see.

602
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 4: I mean Carson Wentz was the same way. You know,

603
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 4: he did that right away, So uh, we'll see. But

604
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 4: you know, Nicks was you know, Nicks was better than

605
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 4: I thought. But I don't think he has that much.

606
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 4: I don't think he's going to improve that much.

607
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: But we'll see mild surprise, although not to you. Jeremiah

608
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 2: has Tyler Warren to the Bears at ten. I would

609
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 2: love the Jets to take him, but they're just desperate

610
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: for an offensive lineman. Their new GM is a guy

611
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 2: that there's no data on Darren. I don't even know

612
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: how to say his last.

613
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Speaker 4: Name, Moogie. I don't think yeah, no more than me

614
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 4: on that.

615
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: I don't know the guy. I mean, he's a new GM,

616
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: but Aaron Glenn. I like I was keeping everything close

617
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: to the vest. He's kind of shut down, shut it

618
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 2: all down. So nobody's leaking all these nonsense stories. But

619
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Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like they'll take Warren. Where are you

620
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: on Tyler Warren?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Tyler Warren is an interesting case because he's twenty

622
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 4: three years old, didn't really do anything until you know,

623
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 4: this past season and just exploded on the scene. He

624
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 4: was just a unique player because they use him in

625
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 4: the backfield. He was kind of a Takesom Hill like

626
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 4: kind of do everything. So he's a really interesting kind

627
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 4: of weapon. Didn't run, so I don't know what his

628
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 4: you know, athletic traits are. And that's the thing with

629
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 4: tight ends is the tight ends that have really broken out.

630
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 4: The Kelsey's and the Kittles of the world, and even

631
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Speaker 4: you know, we don't know about brock Bowers because you

632
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 4: don't work out, but the Kittles and the kelsey of

633
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 4: the world are really good athletes. They posted great numbers

634
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 4: at the combine, you can you can look down the line,

635
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 4: like the best tight ends in the league all were

636
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 4: really good. You know, they had really good workout numbers,

637
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 4: and so that is a really good indicator. We don't

638
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 4: know his workout numbers, so I have no idea what

639
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 4: he is athletically, but I think generally he's a good

640
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 4: tight end. I think that he's being pushed up and

641
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 4: maybe Loveland as well because of what brock Bauers did

642
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 4: last year. But you remember, going into last year, everyone

643
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 4: said tight ends just don't make an impact right away,

644
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 4: especially in the first round. It was kind of it's

645
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 4: kind of been a wasteland before brock Bowers. I think

646
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 4: Bowers is a little bit of an outlier because so

647
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 4: good at Georgia, but we'll see. I think that Tyler

648
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 4: Warren to the Bears makes sense just because you have

649
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 4: Ben Johnson there and he had his Sam Laporta, and

650
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 4: I think that's I think add adding that type of

651
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 4: player to and I think Ben Johnson will really use

652
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 4: him in unique ways because he's very, very creative. And

653
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 4: I think the fact that Warren's got some of that

654
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 4: quarterback yep, yeah, played played some some wildcat for Penn State.

655
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 4: I think they'll do that a little bit with me.

656
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: He's a high school quarterback. Now, this is you just

657
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: said something I hadn't heard from anybody that Tyler Warren

658
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 2: didn't do anything at Penn State until this year when

659
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: he was twenty three. Holy cow, he had as a

660
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 2: junior thirty four catches for four hundred twenty two yards.

661
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: Then he went up to one hundred and four catches

662
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: for twelve and he had the same quarterback. I'm was

663
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: it the same court? No, No, they switched quarterbacks. Didn't

664
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: They have the guy Sean what's his face? He was

665
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 2: with the Packers. Yes, they had Clifford forever and then

666
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: they ar Aller and then he puts up monster numbers.

667
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: Interesting huh.

668
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 4: Yeah. Now they did have THEO Johnson who was who

669
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 4: was drafted by the Giants last that's probably why. Okay,

670
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 4: well yeah he was he as a late bloomber and

671
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 4: that's the that's always interesting something.

672
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: Then they're hiding him. I didn't realize he hasn't really

673
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: I'm looking up, like, what's his forty time? What's all this?

674
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: You can't really find much info on him, So they

675
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: basically shut him down. Huh.

676
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's the thing that you know, we're seeing

677
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 4: more and more of that, which sucks for someone like

678
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 4: me who really relies on data and you know, historical

679
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 4: kind of combined numbers to come up with you know,

680
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 4: where these guys should go. And so it makes me

681
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 4: always makes me wonder when these guys don't run. It's

682
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 4: like Will Johnson, for example, in Michigan. Everyone says he's

683
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 4: a slow quarterback and he hasn't done it. He didn't

684
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 4: do anything. He refused to run the forty and everyone's saying,

685
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 4: what's because he's really slow? So you have to assume

686
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 4: these guys are hiding something. I mean, Marvin Harrison, I love,

687
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 4: I'm a buck guy. You know, he didn't run last

688
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,719
Speaker 4: year and you saw he couldn't really separate much in

689
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 4: the NFL, And it's a little scary, like what would

690
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 4: he have run? He wasn't a Blazer at Ohio State.

691
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 4: So you know, it's probably smart to not run because

692
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 4: you want to hide as much as you can if

693
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 4: it's a weakness. But would you draft a guy like Warren?

694
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 4: What's up?

695
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: Would you draft a guy like Warren? I mean, it

696
00:32:58,760 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: seems like they are hiding some.

697
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 4: To me, I only my personal philosophy is it's got

698
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 4: to be a real outlier case to not take a

699
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 4: premium position player in the first round because you know,

700
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 4: we can get into it. But you know, there's something

701
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 4: called surplus value, which I'm not sure if you've heard

702
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 4: of that, but it's a it's a term that a

703
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 4: lot of the analytics folks really dive into, and it's

704
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 4: based on, you know, who is getting paid the most,

705
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 4: kind of what positions are getting paid the most. And

706
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 4: you know, running backs don't get paid for example, right

707
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 4: tight ends you know, don't get paid big money compared

708
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 4: to edge rushers and wide receivers and obviously quarterback and

709
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 4: tackle that's where the big money guys are. So if

710
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 4: you can find, you know, guys in free agency or

711
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 4: in trade that A're not gonna cost you a lot

712
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 4: of money at those positions at the running back and

713
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 4: at guard and you know at safety, those guys don't

714
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 4: cost a lot of money. So you can find good

715
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 4: players in free agency and just pay them, you know,

716
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 4: pay them that money and it won't won't hurt you

717
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 4: too much. Whereas you won't find edge sures in free agency,

718
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 4: right like those guys do not become available, and if

719
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 4: by chance there is one, you're gonna be paying throughout

720
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 4: the you know, through the nose. So if you can

721
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 4: find those premium positions in the first round of the

722
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 4: draft and you keep them on a rookie rookie contract,

723
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 4: that is extremely valuable. That if you get a rookie

724
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 4: edge rusher who is you know, uh making a huge impact,

725
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 4: like on Michaeh Parsons right, who has been for the

726
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 4: last number of years on his rookie deal. I mean,

727
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 4: that value is just out of this world versus you know.

728
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 4: That's why taking ash Gent doesn't make much sense. If

729
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 4: he's gonna get picked, he's going to automatically be the

730
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 4: I think the fifth or sixth highest paid running back

731
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 4: in the NFL. You know that, So it's like, why

732
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 4: are you doing that? So it's just to me, I

733
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 4: would never take so back to the Tyler Warren tight

734
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 4: ends generally just do not pan out in the first round.

735
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 4: That historically you can find them in rounds three, four, five.

736
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 4: We saw it with Kittle and Kelsey for example, are

737
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 4: perfect examples of that. So I would eight on a

738
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 4: tight end, and obviously someone who's twenty three who broke

739
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 4: out late and doesn't have any workout metrics. To me,

740
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 4: those are all red, you know, flashing signs that I will.

741
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: Damn that's good stuff. So I don't have many bets yet.

742
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 2: Do you have any that you want to fire or

743
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: let the audience know that you fired on you?

744
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, at this time, I think so. For example, I

745
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 4: took I'm close to the Browns, right, I have over

746
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 4: Shader Sanders eight and a half draft position minus one

747
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,479
Speaker 4: thirty about a month ago. If you look that up now,

748
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 4: it's like minus I think it's ten and a half

749
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 4: minus like eight hundred. It's a crazy number. So it's

750
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 4: way off. So you can't that's not available anymore. I

751
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 4: have Abdul Carter. So I when I thought that Hunter

752
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 4: would be the pick of two, I bet Hunter at

753
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 4: about even money at the time to go to I

754
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 4: had abdulk Harder to go three at plus two seventy five,

755
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 4: and they had Sanders over eight and a half. That

756
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 4: was just based on my thesis of you know what

757
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 4: we talked about with the with the Browns. You know

758
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 4: how they're drafts to go and it looks like that's

759
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 4: gonna go that way. So now I'm I think all

760
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 4: of the if you had good bets, it's it's kind

761
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 4: of too late, like there's nothing, there's no real value.

762
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 4: So to me, this is long shot time. So three

763
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 4: long shots that I like. One is not this is

764
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 4: this is one of those draft position you know what

765
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 4: what position a team will take in the first round.

766
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 4: And I have Buffalo running back at twenty eight to one.

767
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 4: And so if you've seen James Cook, is you know,

768
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 4: threatening the holdout? Yeah, I saw that, you know, Buffalo

769
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 4: and Beam the GM. He has taken a lot of

770
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 4: running backs. I think he's gonna running back every year

771
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 4: in the last three years. So he took Ray Davis

772
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 4: last year. I don't think it's out of this. It's

773
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 4: not impossible for them to just you know, move on

774
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,919
Speaker 4: from Cook or just you know he's gonna walk and

775
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 4: they take a guy like if Trayvon Henderson's there, you know,

776
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 4: or really really athletic impact running back from Ohio State.

777
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 4: So that's possible. And at twenty eight to one, I

778
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 4: think when you get late in the first round, you

779
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 4: know so little. You have no idea where these guys

780
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 4: are gonna go and what positions are gonna take and

781
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 4: they're good teams, so they're kind of taking best player available.

782
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:15,839
Speaker 4: So I think that's an opportunity. And by the way,

783
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 4: they could trade out of the first round, right, Like,

784
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 4: let's say a team like the Giants or the Browns

785
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 4: want a quarterback. They could trade back ten spots. Yeah,

786
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 4: and so their first pick is a second round pick,

787
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, it's like, all right, well,

788
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 4: running back is definitely not out of the question. So

789
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 4: to me, the odds don't do the line, so I.

790
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 2: Would and that's a good bet. Also because Buffalo is

791
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 2: remember when Detroit took Jamior Gibbs, everybody was like, ooh,

792
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 2: that's kind of crazy. They were like a finished product.

793
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 2: Offensive line, set receivers, pretty much, set tight end, set quarterback,

794
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 2: like they had everything. They're like, ooh, this could work. Git,

795
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 2: sorry gent to Jacksonville. They're not even close to finished

796
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: right now.

797
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 3: The Buffalo Bills.

798
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: Running back there, I mean there, I like them, you know,

799
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: super Bowl team, right, I mean they could be the

800
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: Super Bowl next year. So yeah, I like that.

801
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: Not bad.

802
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: What was the other one?

803
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 4: And so there's two others I like. So these are

804
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 4: specific players to the draft position. So Mason Graham to

805
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 4: go eighth at plus seven fifty. So I actually tweeted

806
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 4: about this earlier today, and it's funny, I was looking

807
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 4: at you just mentioned the Daniel Jeremiah Mock. He has

808
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 4: Mason Graham going eighth, So it's plus seven fifty at

809
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 4: least it was. I don't know if this is going

810
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 4: to change that. And my theory at the time was

811
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 4: twofold one. Carolina needs a defensive line. They ain't anybody

812
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 4: on defense. They're the worst defense in the NFL last

813
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 4: two years. And so if he drops, if Gent does

814
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 4: go five and we see a little bit of a

815
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 4: drop for Graham, either Carolina could take him or he's

816
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 4: one of the few guys that I think a team

817
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 4: will trade up for. And I think Carolina wants to

818
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 4: move back. You know, they they don't love anybody here.

819
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 4: So I think you get kind of two bites at

820
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 4: the apple. You get maybe Carolina just takes best player

821
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 4: available with you know, a need at the defensive defensive line,

822
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 4: or they trade back and a team jumps, you know,

823
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 4: jumps to their spot to take him eighth. So I

824
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 4: think there's value there. I think that number should be

825
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 4: more like four or five hundred instead of seven fifty.

826
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 4: And then the last, the third one I think is

827
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 4: interesting and I'll give you reasons why. And it goes

828
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 4: into some of the GM stuff. I talked about Jalen

829
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 4: Walker to go ninth at fourteen to one, so he

830
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 4: is being mocked everywhere except for Jeremiah to go eighth

831
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 4: to Carolina. So you're talking one spot back. And so

832
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 4: in my scenario, you know, if Mason Graham is there

833
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 4: or they decided to get a little different route, you know,

834
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 4: he would be available for the Saints. And the Saints

835
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 4: I think are really heavy on either offensive line or

836
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 4: pass rush, and so he fits. And another reason why

837
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 4: I think this makes sense is some of the GM stuff.

838
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 4: So Mickey Loomis, who is the GM for the Saints,

839
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 4: longtime GM for the Saints. He has historically drafted, you know,

840
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 4: guys who are are good athletes, okay, And there's nothing

841
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 4: about about this guy, that Jala Walker that says he's

842
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 4: not a good athlete. He's twenty one years old, Georgia, Georgia.

843
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 4: Guys love him. And the other thing that is really

844
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 4: interesting is Loomis. And I don't know if this is

845
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 4: a coincidence, but I started analyzing about a week ago,

846
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 4: looking at how GM's historically, you know, who they've met

847
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 4: pre draft with these official visits, who they met at

848
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 4: the combine. There are good sites that show these things

849
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 4: and you can see, like how often did they actually

850
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 4: draft a player that they met with. I went back

851
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 4: and Mickey Loomis, there's actually another GM that fits this,

852
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 4: and I'll talk about in a second. Mickey Loomis, I

853
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 4: don't know how this has occurred. They have not drafted

854
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 4: a player in the first round since twenty fifteen that

855
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 4: they actually met with pre draft. What ye isn't that crazy?

856
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 4: And I looked and it's not like, oh, they met

857
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 4: with a bunch of guys that all went above them

858
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 4: where they were picking. It was there's a handful of

859
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,439
Speaker 4: years where yeah, they just didn't And maybe they're doing

860
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 4: something behind the scenes where we're meeting with these guys

861
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 4: and it's not official visits, or maybe they just have

862
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 4: enough information they don't want to, you know, you know,

863
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 4: release kind of who they're on, so you know, they

864
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 4: don't meet with them publicly, but they this is just

865
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 4: something that they have done. And I've gone back and

866
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 4: looked and it's it's been over ten years now and

867
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 4: it's pretty incredible. And so I look and Walker is

868
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 4: not a guy that they've met with. They've met with

869
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 4: a lot of edge rushers, a lot of defensive players,

870
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 4: but he's not one of them. So anyway, maybe that's

871
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 4: a coincidental thing, but you know, it kind of ties

872
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 4: with what I want and it fits a need and

873
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 4: fourteen to one I think is really interesting by the

874
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 4: way they get deep. The other GM who has not

875
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 4: I think he's met with one off first round pick

876
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 4: in the last you know, seven eight years is Chris

877
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 4: Greer with Miami, so keep that in mind. But anyway,

878
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 4: so those are a couple that I like and I

879
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 4: think I think have some value. So we'll see. I

880
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 4: like it.

881
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: I like the data on that one. Like Joe, meet

882
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 2: the players and then draft them.

883
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 4: How about this one, because there's one on the other

884
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 4: side of the other end of the spectrum. And again

885
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 4: this is something I tweeted last year last week when

886
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 4: I just started looking at this. There's one team, slash GM,

887
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 4: who very very predictable in who they draft in the

888
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 4: first round, actually not just first round, but early in

889
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 4: the draft, based on who they meet with. And that's

890
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 4: Omar Khan and the Steelers saw that. Yeah. So you

891
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 4: know where when I look at kind of gms that

892
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 4: have had multiple drafts and how often they meet with

893
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,720
Speaker 4: a player and then draft them in the first round,

894
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 4: it's you know, most of these these gms are in

895
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 4: kind of that thirty forty percent range. Yeah, only one

896
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 4: that was above fifty percent. It was Omar Khan and

897
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 4: it was seventy nine and that was on total slid actions,

898
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 4: not even just first round. This he leads all active gms.

899
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 4: Seventy nine percent of his total picks have been on

900
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 4: players that the Steelers have conducted an official pre draft

901
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 4: meeting they have yet to draft up now, he's only

902
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,240
Speaker 4: at two drafts. Okay, so small sample, but the Steelers

903
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 4: have yet to draft a single player inside the top

904
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 4: four rounds in these two drafts where they did not

905
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 4: meet with that player prior to the draft. So they

906
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 4: are you know, they telegraph who they're taking, and I

907
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 4: think that's more of an organizational thing. They've been doing

908
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 4: it for years, and so you know, take a look

909
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 4: at who Pittsburgh has met with and you might get

910
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 4: a better insight as to who they might go with

911
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 4: in the draft. I think they're gonna go with a

912
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 4: running back personally, that's why Hampton, Yes, but you know Hampton,

913
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 4: and if not, then maybe they, you know, take to

914
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 4: take a defensive take a defensive back. But that's that's

915
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 4: the centric what I'm looking at all.

916
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 2: Right, TA, great stuff, The draft is here. I'm excited.

917
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: It's it's a little overhyped, but it's still fun, fun

918
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 2: as hell, and and hopefully your Browns make a good

919
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 2: move that you're happy with, and we'll talk to you

920
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 2: again in August ahead of the season.

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Speaker 4: Awesome. Thanks Jason,