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Speaker 1: your hosts Dane Brugler, David Hellman and Brian brought us. Well,
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Speaker 1: the Draft Show once again on a Thursday. Glad you're
Speaker 1: along with us. Eighty four days until the NFL Draft
Speaker 1: be here before we know it, Boys, it will be.
Speaker 1: It's harder to believe. Senior Bowl and januaries in the
Speaker 1: in the rearview absolutely want to look forward to the
Speaker 1: Combine and the workouts and everything else. It's Dan Burglar
Speaker 1: right there, David Hellman on the other side, Kent Garrison,
Speaker 1: Executive Producing. You brought up the Senior Bowl and we
Speaker 1: kind of put that in a little bit in the
Speaker 1: rearview mirror. Let's talk about the combine a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of on this you're on the you're on the
Speaker 1: combine train. I am. All those all those uh invites
Speaker 1: went out. We kind of have an idea who's in,
Speaker 1: who's out right and the way they do it is
Speaker 1: they send a mountain waves. Usually in the past it
Speaker 1: was two waves, and there's three waves. They kind of
Speaker 1: do it systematically, where you know, the first wave goes out, um,
Speaker 1: you know, even before Christmas. Uh, and then when the
Speaker 1: underclassmen come out, you know, they reserve a certain amount,
Speaker 1: and then the third wave just went out. The final
Speaker 1: wave at least I was told the final wave just
Speaker 1: went out this week and surprising some names, um, you know,
Speaker 1: following up some players that did not receive invites yet.
Speaker 1: Now I did talk to an underclassman who received one
Speaker 1: this morning. Okay, uh, not quite done yet. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: but is it the enderclassman, you know, because there's so
Speaker 1: we had one hundred and thirty nderclassmen come out there.
Speaker 1: It's a record, wasn't it. It is a record? Yeah? Uh.
Speaker 1: And the end, it's funny the NFL tries to hide
Speaker 1: it a little bit by saying, well, there's really only
Speaker 1: one hundred and six, but then there was also these
Speaker 1: ten who graduated but we're still juniors, and then there
Speaker 1: are these six who they try to like put the
Speaker 1: number lower. It's really one hundred and thirty. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so the we'll see who receives invites based on those underclassmen,
Speaker 1: but a few seniors Poona Ford being from Texas defensive
Speaker 1: tackle being the most notable to me, who has yet
Speaker 1: to receive his invitation and at this point doesn't look
Speaker 1: like it's coming. And if that's the case, I think
Speaker 1: he'd be the biggest snub this year. National scouting have
Speaker 1: something to do with that. The fact that he's five
Speaker 1: eleven one. Oh, there's no Yeah, do you think they're
Speaker 1: grade coming in was so low? You just hit the
Speaker 1: nail on the head. They part of this. They're so
Speaker 1: committed to the grades that they have going in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they don't factor enough the changes throughout the year,
Speaker 1: guys that helped themselves. It's almost like they're stubborn with
Speaker 1: those grades going into the senior season that they just don't.
Speaker 1: They don't. It's it's hard to come off those initial
Speaker 1: grades and it hurt. It's gonna hurt a player like Pounaford. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a shame. It's kind of like Pootaford a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he is undersized but destructive and well the
Speaker 1: point I was gonna make it mean one hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty yeahs two hundred and fifty six draft slots. I
Speaker 1: believe right around there. Yeah, we went, you factor in
Speaker 1: the compensatories and stuff, and by that we'll know compense
Speaker 1: TWIST owners meeting March, there's there's Yeah, there's never a
Speaker 1: set date for it. Yeah, but I think it's always
Speaker 1: kind of been around the meeting by mid last year.
Speaker 1: We got it a little bit early, so we'll see
Speaker 1: what this year has um. But yeah, I mean we're
Speaker 1: gonna have three hundred and thirty around there, combine invites.
Speaker 1: You're gonna tell me there's three hundred and thirty better
Speaker 1: players in this draft than Poonaford. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think Poonaford's a first round pick. I'm not sure he's
Speaker 1: a top one hundred type of guy, but they're not
Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty better players. Another one that stood
Speaker 1: out to me was Doris Fountain, wide receiver from Northern
Speaker 1: I liked him a lot. I've talked about him throughout
Speaker 1: the season, and he made me look smart when he
Speaker 1: performed without the Shrine Shrine game. Those practices in the
Speaker 1: game really raw as a wide receiver, but good size,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna test really well. Now it won't be
Speaker 1: at the Combine. I'll have to be his pro day.
Speaker 1: But he's the ideal candidate for a Day three receiver
Speaker 1: that you can stash either bottom of the roster or
Speaker 1: on the practice squad and develop. I think he might
Speaker 1: have something there. So surprising he's not going to be
Speaker 1: an Indie this year. And that I mean just basic math.
Speaker 1: So three hundred and thirty invites, I mean almost a
Speaker 1: hundred guys will be at the Combine that won't get drafted.
Speaker 1: Yeah that number. Oh yeah, you've always you've always keep
Speaker 1: his tab on that number, don't you? That number of
Speaker 1: guys that aren't drafted that the Combine. Let me pull
Speaker 1: it up, all right, So last year, let's just take
Speaker 1: last year. There were three hundred and thirty players invited
Speaker 1: to the Combine two hundred and fifty three total draft picks.
Speaker 1: So that means that one hundred and five Combine invites undrafted. Wow.
Speaker 1: So yeah, even if you get a Combine invite as
Speaker 1: far from not a guarantee, there were twenty eight players
Speaker 1: that did not receive a Combine invite who were drafted.
Speaker 1: There we go. So that's the number I want to know.
Speaker 1: If you don't receive an invite to the Combine. It's
Speaker 1: not the end of the road by any means. Don't
Speaker 1: find you. Last year is twenty eight, the year before
Speaker 1: it's thirty eight, year before its forty one, So play
Speaker 1: do better. Yeah, there's plenty of these names that don't
Speaker 1: receive Combine invites that still have a chance. Goodness, Gracio
Speaker 1: it is. And we'll be there by the way for
Speaker 1: the combine. Uh, you know, we'll be there the whole
Speaker 1: week covering that action for you. We're gonna have shows
Speaker 1: from the from the Radio Row with the Combine where
Speaker 1: we have now in the Convention Center, which is kind
Speaker 1: of fun. So we'll be over at that. Part way
Speaker 1: of saying they moved us out of the stadium, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not very it's not very fun. You know. It's
Speaker 1: okay they bring those guys over there. I liked the
Speaker 1: old setup better. Yeah. Yeah, it's gotta do what you
Speaker 1: gotta do. Gotta do what you gotta do. You just
Speaker 1: like it so you can trash talk all the other
Speaker 1: teams on Radio Row. I can I tend to do that.
Speaker 1: It's all right. When they borrowed Dane, yeah exactly, that's
Speaker 1: our analysts, that's all you're doing. Yeah, Hey, mister Jets,
Speaker 1: they'll be barring our analysts over there. Please thank you
Speaker 1: very much. All right, by the way, at eleven forty today,
Speaker 1: Taylor Stern is gonna join us and she's gonna have
Speaker 1: a segment we're gonna call a Stern look, so stay
Speaker 1: tuned for that. That that is Tay what we'll be here.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you guys a little question here,
Speaker 1: and you know, and this is something more of a
Speaker 1: philosophy question, and I want to say, make it more
Speaker 1: of a true or false question, but she can answer
Speaker 1: however you want to answer it, true or false. A
Speaker 1: non pass rushing defensive lineman has no business being drafted
Speaker 1: in the first round. And this is why I'm talking
Speaker 1: about all the names that we're you know, we're looking
Speaker 1: at with the Cowboys at nineteen potential, with Vita Veaz,
Speaker 1: guys like that, maybe even Payne. If you're talking about
Speaker 1: a non non pass rushing should a non pass rushing
Speaker 1: defensive lineman be drafted in the first round, which I mean,
Speaker 1: can I give you some names? Yeah, go for it.
Speaker 1: Last year we had Jonathan Allen. We all agreed probably
Speaker 1: a top five player that went to Washington at seventeen
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, Sheldon Rankins went to the Saints at the
Speaker 1: twelfth spot. Kenny Clark UCLA went to the Packers at
Speaker 1: twenty seven, Robert Kind Old Miss went to Arizona at
Speaker 1: twenty nine. Vernon Butler from Louisiana Tech went to Carolina
Speaker 1: at thirty. Okay, go back to twenty fifteen. Leonard Williams,
Speaker 1: who we all loved at usc went to the Jets
Speaker 1: sixth overall, Dandy Shelton to Cleveland at twelve, and Malcolm
Speaker 1: Buck Butler excuse me at University of Texas to Saint
Speaker 1: Assuming to New England at thirty two. Malcolm Brown, Malcolm Brown,
Speaker 1: does Malcolm Butler? You did? I'm sorry about that, brother Patriot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a really fair question, and it's something that fans
Speaker 1: ask us a lot about because there are several intriguing
Speaker 1: one technique prospects in this draft. And at this point
Speaker 1: I can give ourselves a little pad on the back
Speaker 1: here because we do a good enough job that people
Speaker 1: who pay attention know that that's probably not something the
Speaker 1: Cowboys typically consider. So you get a lot of questions
Speaker 1: about whether they change that philosophy this year. Yeah. Me, personally,
Speaker 1: I'm of the opinion that if a guy is, you know,
Speaker 1: the best or close to the best at his position,
Speaker 1: and I mean, you know, if it makes sense for
Speaker 1: your team. Specialists are the only position in football that
Speaker 1: I wouldn't consider drafting in the first round, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, if he's the best one tech and he's
Speaker 1: gonna go Vince will fork on you and just eat
Speaker 1: up space and make your life easier on your linebackers
Speaker 1: and the rest of you guys on your defensive line,
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, that's worth a first round pick if it
Speaker 1: makes sense for your team, which in the Cowboys case,
Speaker 1: I think it does, so yeah, I would absolutely, I
Speaker 1: say false, I think if he's the best, non the best,
Speaker 1: if he's the best at his positions one technique, go ahead,
Speaker 1: don't don't feel bad about making that pick at all. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean a great, great, he doesn't get stacked sacks.
Speaker 1: But if he makes life easier on your linebackers, which
Speaker 1: is a position we've been worried about since we started this. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: position value is going to be a popular subject in
Speaker 1: this draft. When you have a Quentin Nelson, a guard who,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, and I think an opinion you guys
Speaker 1: share best player in this draft, but he's a guard.
Speaker 1: Sequon Barkley, top five player in this draft, but he's
Speaker 1: a running back. Position value matters in the draft. You know,
Speaker 1: that's part of the discussion. And I think one technique
Speaker 1: h knows tackles. It's that that's part of the discussion.
Speaker 1: Is it too early to draft one of those guys?
Speaker 1: And I think it just like guard, like running back,
Speaker 1: it depends on the impact it makes for your team,
Speaker 1: kind of like what Dave was saying about, you know
Speaker 1: what fits best for your team. You know, a one
Speaker 1: technique or a nose tackle might not be It might
Speaker 1: be a need for another team, but it might not
Speaker 1: have a big impact. Now for the Cowboys, I think
Speaker 1: it could have a big impact potentially because of the
Speaker 1: way it frees up your linebackers, the way it helps
Speaker 1: your defensive ends, moving Leek Collins to three technique where
Speaker 1: I think he's probably better suited. So I think that
Speaker 1: adding a one technique who not just to add one,
Speaker 1: but because he is arguably the best player on the board,
Speaker 1: he could have that type of impact for a team
Speaker 1: like the Cowboys. And this goes actually right back to
Speaker 1: what I got so mad about last year, which feel
Speaker 1: free to tweet me and remind me that Taco didn't
Speaker 1: set the world on fire in his rookie year. But
Speaker 1: I get I'm so frustrated by Well, we don't think
Speaker 1: he's a right end. We're not sure he has those Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't care. Give me the guy who's a good
Speaker 1: football player. If the best one technique is there, or
Speaker 1: the best project at right end, give give me the
Speaker 1: surefire every snap of the season one technique if that's
Speaker 1: if that's the situation we're in, Give me the better player,
Speaker 1: Give me the guy that's ready to go. If the
Speaker 1: one technique is just a two down player, well, now,
Speaker 1: I mean that gets into a conversation about whether that's
Speaker 1: worth nineteenth overall pick. Say most most are. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's not many one technique or nose tackles that are
Speaker 1: every down players. There's we think the league Collins could play.
Speaker 1: Someone could be he's an every down player. All right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So I'm just you know again, that's will the philosophy change?
Speaker 1: Will the philosophy change? Will will the nineteenth pick be
Speaker 1: their last first round player? And will that player be
Speaker 1: a I would argue defensive tack. I would argue this,
Speaker 1: if you're spending the nineteenth overall pick on a one technique,
Speaker 1: so that's another that's another premium prospect for your defensive line.
Speaker 1: So contrary to everything we've said about it in past years,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're talking about a lot of talent.
Speaker 1: So even if you're taking your nineteenth overall pick off
Speaker 1: the field on third down, you're bringing another talented guy
Speaker 1: onto the field in that situation. Whether it's Taco, whether
Speaker 1: it's Tyrone Crawford, whether it's I mean DeMarcus Lawrence, will
Speaker 1: be out there regardless. But you get my point. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're adding another really talented defensive linemanto that mix,
Speaker 1: then you're just giving yourself more bodies to work with.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean that sounds bad when you put
Speaker 1: it that way, but I'd still probably do it, assuming
Speaker 1: there's not a better option available. What your feelings brought us,
Speaker 1: I'm okay, yeah, I you know, after seeing those names, though,
Speaker 1: it kind of made me think a little bit. But
Speaker 1: you know, we're thinking about pass rush defensive tackles. Aaron Donald, right,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think Aaron Donald's though once in
Speaker 1: every fifteen year type player, I really do. Aaron looks
Speaker 1: that way. So to me, you know, if it's Aaron Donald,
Speaker 1: I get it because he run pass, he can play.
Speaker 1: But I'm just trying to say, though, if looking at
Speaker 1: the names, if you look at these guys and you're
Speaker 1: kind of thinking, well, who's the best player out of
Speaker 1: that group we just went through? You know, Leonard Williams
Speaker 1: would would you would you take the career of Sheldon Rankins,
Speaker 1: Kenny Clark, Robert Candice? You know, I can't speak. Kenny
Speaker 1: Clark is developing into a pretty damn good player. For him,
Speaker 1: he is that that that yeah, that was one of
Speaker 1: the youngest players in that draft. So I think he's,
Speaker 1: you know, growing into that role. Well, like a guy
Speaker 1: that I know has disappointed is Danny Shelton in Cleveland. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, they drafted him, I think overall, Yeah, twelfth
Speaker 1: overall and there's another University of Washington guy. But I
Speaker 1: think that I think that Vita Vea is a different
Speaker 1: player than Danny Shelton. I think vitave is a better
Speaker 1: athlete than Danny Shelter. Also drafting him into a different scheme.
Speaker 1: He said, nos, yeah, three four nos. Yeah, So I
Speaker 1: mean that that to me, I I just wondered it,
Speaker 1: like you guys thought, I I have no problems with
Speaker 1: Vitava again, because I think that I think there's a
Speaker 1: shot that he there. Let's really I mean if you
Speaker 1: look at if you look at really you know, if
Speaker 1: you look at the landscape of you know, well, you
Speaker 1: know we we we rate him pretty high. But if
Speaker 1: you look at the landscape of the draft. I mean again,
Speaker 1: I never believed that Jonathan Allen was gonna and it
Speaker 1: might be because of the shoulder. Am I right about that? Well,
Speaker 1: it has to be. Yeah. And also, well, you don't
Speaker 1: know what's going to come out about these guys once
Speaker 1: they go through all these physicals, So sure there's just
Speaker 1: as many things that could be coming out about. But
Speaker 1: I would have never believed that Jonathan Allen because it
Speaker 1: was a male bad question that we had today. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if there's somebody you would trade up for, I would
Speaker 1: have never believed in all my just last year's draft,
Speaker 1: the safety from Ohio State would have been a potential guy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then Jonathan Allen, Yeah, would have never believed that.
Speaker 1: I think we had we generally agreed that Hooker and
Speaker 1: Lattimore were both top ten picks. I believe when eleven
Speaker 1: and Hooker went seven, no doubt. So I was looking
Speaker 1: back at my top ten the other day. Lattimore was six,
Speaker 1: Hooker was two, Allen was five, something like that. So
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. You don't know, But is it?
Speaker 1: You know? Is that one technique? Well, let's get down
Speaker 1: to brass tacks. Not that I mean, you know, the
Speaker 1: main guys are all still here, but there's been some
Speaker 1: change on the on the coaching staff. Yeah, you think
Speaker 1: the philosophy is any different? Is there any reason to
Speaker 1: believe that they feel differently and that they would do
Speaker 1: something like I think that. I think, yes, you think so?
Speaker 1: I do? Okay, I think so. That's why I asked
Speaker 1: the question because I think it's going to become a
Speaker 1: point in time where you're sitting at nineteen and if
Speaker 1: Vitavea is sitting there, you surely should consider him. But
Speaker 1: that's it's It's so hard though, because who else, okay,
Speaker 1: who else is there? That's what I'm saying, is Derwin
Speaker 1: James there? Because I'd rather have Derwin James. Okay, let
Speaker 1: me let me all right, say Vitavea is gone. Say
Speaker 1: it's between durn Payne and let's say I don't want Okay,
Speaker 1: well you ruined to the hypothetical already before he could
Speaker 1: even finish it. Whols you giving me. Let's say Derwin James,
Speaker 1: Take Derwin James. Yeah, okay, I would take Derwin James
Speaker 1: over Vita Vea. That's what I'm saying. Okay, that's that's
Speaker 1: where that's where my you know, all right, I ask
Speaker 1: you this, If you take Vita Vea over mcclinchey, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not taking an offensive lineman in the first round.
Speaker 1: I would, but about when I like him a lot,
Speaker 1: I'm not taking him in the first round though, he's
Speaker 1: your twenty first best player something like that. Yeah, we're talking. Uh,
Speaker 1: McGlinchey is the tackle from Notre Dame. When is the
Speaker 1: offensive line guy from Georgia offensive line guy? Well, he
Speaker 1: could do both whatever, guard tackle. You know, that's interesting
Speaker 1: about this one technique thing. I think that will change,
Speaker 1: though I think I don't. I don't know if Marinelli's
Speaker 1: gonna have a choice change good. I mean no, I
Speaker 1: mean he's a fantastic coach, but well, these names scary
Speaker 1: you though, a little bit. For one techniques or guys
Speaker 1: are the defensive tackles that don't rush? Which one? I mean,
Speaker 1: Veya doesn't He's no, No, I'm just talking about the
Speaker 1: guys I read off from ranks previous. Kenny clark Is
Speaker 1: is playing damn well for the Powers, and Rankins spent
Speaker 1: most of his rookie year on IR. But I don't
Speaker 1: have his numbers on hand for you, but I'm under
Speaker 1: the impression he played pretty well for New Orleans. Jonathan
Speaker 1: Allen didn't do anything for Washington because he didn't wind
Speaker 1: up on IR. Yeah, exactly, kim D didn't him DJ? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he he was. He was a train wreck. Yeah, but Rankings,
Speaker 1: Rankins and clark are two names that jump out to
Speaker 1: me as as good picks to this point, at least,
Speaker 1: i'd agree. Yeah, yeah, so that doesn't bother me. Real quick,
Speaker 1: before we get out of here on the break, I
Speaker 1: have another question for you guys. Who has a better
Speaker 1: NFL career out of Barkley Geis and Ronald Jones? Come on, what,
Speaker 1: I'm curious, where where are they going? What do you
Speaker 1: want me to say? Not just just crystal ball it, No,
Speaker 1: that's the variable that yeah, in situation'll be just crystal
Speaker 1: ball it. That's just in your in your thought, in
Speaker 1: your thought. Who I mean, it's all said because I
Speaker 1: want to see how much everybody likes Ronald Jones here.
Speaker 1: I'd love Ronald Jones. So that's this's my whole, this
Speaker 1: is my mission here. But I'm trying to figure out
Speaker 1: if you guys like and I threw in the LSU
Speaker 1: guy because you know the LSU guy, and a lot
Speaker 1: of people like guys the LSU. What if sae Quon
Speaker 1: Barkley's just running into ten man fronts for the Browns
Speaker 1: for the next five years because they don't find a quarterback.
Speaker 1: And what if what if Darius What if Darius Geis
Speaker 1: falls to eighteen and all of a sudden he's playing
Speaker 1: in Seattle with an MVP caliber quarterback and a better
Speaker 1: O line. Like I mean, guys could have a way
Speaker 1: better career despite not being as talented as Barkley. Like
Speaker 1: what do you want me to say? I want you
Speaker 1: to crystal ball this thing. I think, why you put
Speaker 1: yourself on the line a little bit here, because why
Speaker 1: would you put yourself on the line for a question
Speaker 1: and answer? Because it's stupid. It's not stupid. I think
Speaker 1: all three of them will be really good. I'd be
Speaker 1: better out of all three. How about that for a question?
Speaker 1: All right, if if you want me to pick one
Speaker 1: of okay, pick I'll I think I want to see
Speaker 1: how much you like Ronald Jones. I think it goes
Speaker 1: in that order. I think it's Barkley, Guys, Jones, but
Speaker 1: I'll take Jones because of where I can get him.
Speaker 1: Like you gotta take Barkley in the top ten, you
Speaker 1: probably got to take Guys. I know you don't think
Speaker 1: he's a first round pick. I think you gotta take
Speaker 1: him in the top twenty twenty five. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: you can get Ronald Jones in the top forty. Like
Speaker 1: I said, I was mapping up my top fifty, I
Speaker 1: had four running backs in the top twenty eight. I'm
Speaker 1: about not to believe your top fifty. By the way,
Speaker 1: because I asked you about taking Win potentially at nineteen
Speaker 1: and you wanted nothing to do with him. I believe
Speaker 1: he's your twenty first best player. Well this is I'm
Speaker 1: not This board is not for the cowboy. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying if I'm looking at your board, well yeah, no,
Speaker 1: dress your board, Dane. Cowboys don't pick twenty one right
Speaker 1: pick nineteen, so I'm not I'm not taking the twenty.
Speaker 1: You guys used to have some guts in this room.
Speaker 1: Hold back to what I was saying. Give me about Jones.
Speaker 1: Tell me about Jones, Guys and Barkley. I have Barkley
Speaker 1: in top five. Okay, I've got guys and Johnson back
Speaker 1: to back, twenty seven and twenty eight. Okay, I mean,
Speaker 1: or wait, which from I have Ronald Jones at eighteen,
Speaker 1: so I have him I'm way off. Well, no, I
Speaker 1: mean I hate that there's not guarantee he's gonna go.
Speaker 1: That's Nott the Cowboys board, Dave, don't, don't, don't pay
Speaker 1: attention to that. No, well, it's I have Christian Kirk
Speaker 1: ahead of But you know, if the Cowboys maybe that's
Speaker 1: not a fit. You know, it's just this is just
Speaker 1: a general board. You know, I'm not doing it. It's
Speaker 1: a better player Ronald Jones or Christian Kirk. I have
Speaker 1: him like almost back to back, so I'm more confident
Speaker 1: about what Ronald Jones can do right away. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know we've talked about, you know, the questions around Kirk.
Speaker 1: Can he play outside? Yeah, we see, and that's I
Speaker 1: have those questions too. But with Kirk, I feel great
Speaker 1: about his floor. It's high. Yeah, I think I know
Speaker 1: at the very least he's going to be an impact
Speaker 1: returnment and slot receiver. Yeah. So yeah, I also have
Speaker 1: the same questions is he going to be the same
Speaker 1: productive player on the outside. But at least I feel
Speaker 1: like I know have a great feeling at the very
Speaker 1: least what he can be. So that value because actually
Speaker 1: rallied their congratulations. I like Ronald Jones a lot, like
Speaker 1: two I probably five favorite guys. I wonder if Ronald
Speaker 1: Jones is going to be the second best back on
Speaker 1: some people's sports, he might be the first. Is that
Speaker 1: a reach? Um? I think maybe complete back. I think
Speaker 1: I think, what, it's February first, and I think there's
Speaker 1: already some Barkley fatigue, like I think people are. I
Speaker 1: took some heat on Twitter for saying someone tweeted that
Speaker 1: he couldn't find anyone that was gonna take Barkley in
Speaker 1: the top seven. Yeah, that guy who was the guy Albright? Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I commented on it and said, yeah, that wouldn't
Speaker 1: surprise me. Yeah, And it's not necessarily it's not about Barkley.
Speaker 1: It's more about the value of this running back class. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, the drop off from Barkley to Jones and
Speaker 1: Johnson and Geiss and Chub and Michelle and the rest
Speaker 1: of these guys that you can get potentially in the
Speaker 1: second or third round. It's not a big as as
Speaker 1: big of a gap. And so would you rather go
Speaker 1: with a different position in the top five and then
Speaker 1: get your running back later. So if you're the Browns
Speaker 1: at number four, get the top corner and make Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: and then get the third best running back in guy
Speaker 1: you set thirty three. Yeah, you know, so value is
Speaker 1: going to dictate more than eighty. And that's totally fair.
Speaker 1: I just I think people are already trying to poke
Speaker 1: holes in Barkley because he's been so highly touted for
Speaker 1: so long. Film's good. I think he's the best running
Speaker 1: back in the class, regardless of regardless of whether he
Speaker 1: goes for seven, ten or fifteen. Yeah, there's no question.
Speaker 1: I'd be surprised if he's not the first running back
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Speaker 1: we're gonna wrap up this d tackle discussion with a
Speaker 1: really a really good question from d Rob who asked,
Speaker 1: what would you think is a better combo for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys going forward? Maurice Hearst at the three technique with MALIEK.
Speaker 1: Collins at the one technique or MALIEK. Collins at the
Speaker 1: three technique with Vita Vea at the one technique. So
Speaker 1: you got your choice between, you know, arguably the best
Speaker 1: defensive tackles in this class at their respective spots are
Speaker 1: arguably for me, that's hard to answer, because I to
Speaker 1: Willie Collins is a to me a three technique. That's
Speaker 1: but yeah, I agree. You have always Brian, you have
Speaker 1: always told me that his best tape with the Cowboys
Speaker 1: has been when he's at the one. It's when he's
Speaker 1: spent playing the one. Is that because he needs a
Speaker 1: better three or just better help regardless of you don't
Speaker 1: mean that when he was really playing, We thought he
Speaker 1: was a Pro Bowl guy who was playing next to him.
Speaker 1: Daryl McClain, Yeah, three technique. Yeah, there you go. So
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. I'm going I think I think
Speaker 1: playing him, I would take Hurst at the three. I
Speaker 1: like Hurst, have a first round grade on Hurst, I
Speaker 1: have Hurt. I would like to see I'd like to
Speaker 1: see what he could do at the three with a
Speaker 1: guy like Vya. I don't know. I mean, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: haven't had a one technique like that. In my memory,
Speaker 1: I think if you if you the combination with with
Speaker 1: Collins and Hurst, they don't come off the field. That's fair,
Speaker 1: that's a good point. You get more bang for the
Speaker 1: buck with Hurst and you'd do Vita Vea. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: you worry about your run defense though, I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the knock on Hearst, Is it not? From what I remember?
Speaker 1: Why White? Yeah, yeah, it's a three technique well light
Speaker 1: in the ass. Yeah, you know, I know what that's
Speaker 1: but why but why you play it? Why you play
Speaker 1: in We're talking about making life easier on your linebackers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but what about though? The what about who you got
Speaker 1: Crawford playing the right end? Yeah? That helps you in
Speaker 1: the run, it does. I like I hear you, and
Speaker 1: I respect y'all's opinions more than my own. But I'm
Speaker 1: i'd be intrigued to see him and if I find
Speaker 1: the general manager of this team, I'm going down. I'm
Speaker 1: talking to my defensive line coach. I'm talking about defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Okay, Malie Collins, where is he best? You
Speaker 1: are as coaches, you see him every day in practice,
Speaker 1: you study the move with the one. They put David
Speaker 1: Irvin at the three. Right, But I'm gonna ask them,
Speaker 1: ideal situation, where would you rather play him? Do you
Speaker 1: think he'd have a better long term NFL career at
Speaker 1: the three or at the one? Where do you where
Speaker 1: do you like him best? Not independent of everything else
Speaker 1: on this team, an ideal world, an ideal roster, where
Speaker 1: would you want to play him? And based on that answer,
Speaker 1: that would heavily influence where I go with that. With
Speaker 1: that answer to that question, see the problem I have
Speaker 1: with that defensive coaching staff told me to pay Crawford
Speaker 1: and that he was going to be the three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a good point. They needn't even make a chance.
Speaker 1: I mean you have to trust your coaches, which you
Speaker 1: have to to a point, to a point I will
Speaker 1: because it proved to me, proved to me that you can. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I I paid nothing against Tyrn Crawford because
Speaker 1: he's he's They paid him as a three technique. He's
Speaker 1: making nine million dollars years a three technique. Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: And now is your right end? Now I've got Now
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out, Okay, do I want to
Speaker 1: draft a three technique? When I just gave a guy
Speaker 1: nine million dollars a year at right end, that was
Speaker 1: the three technique, and I let a guy walk. Because
Speaker 1: it's safe to say that door is closed on Crawford
Speaker 1: moving back to tackle. I think it is. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: kind of think they liked the fact that he could
Speaker 1: play the riot in and play the run. You know,
Speaker 1: he gives him a little something on the edge as
Speaker 1: a pass rusher. See the problem. I'm just trying to think, Okay,
Speaker 1: who am I who could be my most dynamic players?
Speaker 1: You know, an inside hurst disruptive Yeah, heave he'd be disruptive, sure,
Speaker 1: but he is he an every down player? Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: my that's my argument. Oh, I hear you, I hear you.
Speaker 1: Just it's interesting. I don't know, watch the draft. The
Speaker 1: whole defensive tackle conversation with this team is just frustrating
Speaker 1: because it's have they got it right yet? It's an enigma? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and enigma. So I'm saying we don't. You're you're you're
Speaker 1: talking about college who we think is last year coming
Speaker 1: out And I know we were coming out of Oxnard,
Speaker 1: we were thinking college could be a Pro Bowl player.
Speaker 1: I've got a foot injury. I thought he was gonna
Speaker 1: lead the team and it sacks. Yeah, exactly what happened there? Well,
Speaker 1: he got injured. Also DeMarcus Lawrence just yeah, lost his mind,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. I thought we were going to have to
Speaker 1: like drag fans along with this line of thinking. But
Speaker 1: I've been pleasantly surprised by the ground swell of interest
Speaker 1: and support for this question. With a friend of the show,
Speaker 1: Tom and then Eric a little bit of a dual
Speaker 1: question here guard in the first round put that line
Speaker 1: back together and really just put it ridiculously over the top.
Speaker 1: And then Eric, a little more detailed, says, is will
Speaker 1: Hernandez a real consideration there? The UTEP guard? We talked
Speaker 1: about this a bunch, Yeah, we have. We've really talked
Speaker 1: about this a bunch. I am okay. If you tell
Speaker 1: me that the best player and this is this goes
Speaker 1: against something that you say, and I believe you on
Speaker 1: this best player within need right? Am I right about that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Everybody says, oh, to take the best player on the board.
Speaker 1: I grew up in that in Green Bay, right, I
Speaker 1: grew up in that, And I'm thinking, okay, nineteen is
Speaker 1: the best could the best player on the board be
Speaker 1: a guard and that would make me think about taking him.
Speaker 1: I mean if if, if, in fact it Dane has
Speaker 1: Win Georgia tackle converted guard as his twenty first best player,
Speaker 1: and I kind of see him the same way. Why
Speaker 1: would I not take him at nineteen because he's not
Speaker 1: in your top nineteen ranked players. Let's not. Let's not
Speaker 1: do this, gentleman. I'm not to me. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't have a single except for Quentin Nelson. Do you
Speaker 1: think that Travis Frederick was in their top nineteen. No,
Speaker 1: because they would have taken him there if it was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not drafting an offensive lineman in the
Speaker 1: top twenty this year unless it's Quentin Nelson. That's just
Speaker 1: my opinion. Oh sure, So I understand the Travis Frederick
Speaker 1: that plan where you maybe you trade back a little bit.
Speaker 1: That's I'm open to that, But at nineteen, I am
Speaker 1: not taking offensive lineman there. I would rather wait till
Speaker 1: the second round and I could probably get well Hernandez
Speaker 1: if I trade up into the early second round, I'd
Speaker 1: be okay with that, get myself a stud in the
Speaker 1: top twenty, and then maybe move around in the second
Speaker 1: round ward wherese Ward the corner from Ohio. Steak going
Speaker 1: to go, oh, answer that, and but that's a good
Speaker 1: segue for the next one. I think he's a top
Speaker 1: ten pick. Okay, but we've seen this before, have away teams.
Speaker 1: Some teams have issue with height at the cornerback position.
Speaker 1: Man Hughes, so he's eager to see at the combine
Speaker 1: what he weighs in at. He's probably gonna be around
Speaker 1: five to ten. We'll see that could be an issue
Speaker 1: for some teams. I would be surprised if he's there
Speaker 1: at nineteen. I think he's a top ten player in
Speaker 1: this draft, speaking of need within reason. What if okay,
Speaker 1: excuse me just second, what if he was there at nineteen?
Speaker 1: Can you like? What if? The like? Can you let me? Oh?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, can you let me? Blake says, would you
Speaker 1: consider a cornerback at nineteen? Denzel Ward and Josh Jackson
Speaker 1: being Jackson, I wouldn't likely candidates there. I wouldn't Jackson.
Speaker 1: Oh you would Wan Jackson Jackson, Ward and Hugh and
Speaker 1: Hughes are Mike two guys, which one is Hughes. Well,
Speaker 1: I've learned this now, you see f that's what they
Speaker 1: like to say. It they don't like to say Central Florida.
Speaker 1: Say you see it's kind of like ULLL in Louisiana. Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 1: Denzel Ward he's a top. I have him six on
Speaker 1: my board actually, so I'm a high and then I
Speaker 1: have use thirteen. So both those guys I have ranked
Speaker 1: pretty high. Now both are undersized corners. And could that
Speaker 1: cause them to slip a little bit? Sure, it's possible.
Speaker 1: Where do you have Vita vea seventeen? So he's got
Speaker 1: two corners higher than his tackle, and he's got he's
Speaker 1: got two corners and a tackle higher than his guard.
Speaker 1: But those corners, it's an interesting question because could they
Speaker 1: fall a little bit because of the height. It's possible.
Speaker 1: And then well, and from a cowboys perspective, maybe people
Speaker 1: don't want to hear this, but I gain need within reason.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at the can you which you move
Speaker 1: a woozier to safety? I guess if you want to
Speaker 1: do that, Like I'm sitting here, like, how do you
Speaker 1: started him? How do you find room for another corner?
Speaker 1: Right now? I mean, I guess if Scandrick's walking. If
Speaker 1: we don't know that right now, we think if he does,
Speaker 1: you still have three very capable corners and a fourth
Speaker 1: guy in Xavier Woods who can do the job. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're still and you know, if you're taking the guy
Speaker 1: at nineteen, the assumption would be that he's immediately better
Speaker 1: than at least two of those guys. I get that.
Speaker 1: But which is more of a reach, the corner or
Speaker 1: the guard at nineteen? All the guard in terms of
Speaker 1: see this is interesting though, because I would say you
Speaker 1: clearly think the corners more talented, because but the guard
Speaker 1: has a better chance to be a Day one starter,
Speaker 1: does he not? Or it's a more efficient pick because
Speaker 1: you're just plugging him into left guard cornerback. He's either
Speaker 1: not starting or he's taking a highly drafted player off
Speaker 1: the field. That's I mean, that's what you're telling me.
Speaker 1: Who's a better safety, the Woozier or Byron Jones? It
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how to answer that. We
Speaker 1: haven't seen Cheeto play, yea Cheeto started off and then
Speaker 1: what we saw Colorado? I mean they started him. He
Speaker 1: got hurt in the Green Bay game this year playing safety.
Speaker 1: This is this is that class away I see some
Speaker 1: about Byron Jones, sure, drafted in two thousand and fifteen. Yes,
Speaker 1: of the two thousand and fifteen draft, He and Leonard
Speaker 1: Williams are the only two guys to start forty eight
Speaker 1: games for their teams. Everybody else has started less. Nice
Speaker 1: little stat there, Yeah, yeah, if you want it, if
Speaker 1: you want now, people out there, I'm sure Ah brought
Speaker 1: his forty eight games. He sucked every one of them.
Speaker 1: I'm just letting you know where he was picked him.
Speaker 1: Only he and Leonard Williams in that whole twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: draft class of the first round have started forty eight games.
Speaker 1: That's saying something Byron Byron Jones as the scapegoat for
Speaker 1: this defensive troubles is beat up guy. But they beat
Speaker 1: him up. But it's it's not fair. But I still
Speaker 1: I still wouldn't pick up his option, would you? I
Speaker 1: don't think they will, would you? I don't think I would. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm just telling you though, when you
Speaker 1: talk about you, when you talk about picks that don't play, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's a terrible pick. Mo Claiborne was a terrible pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a terrible pick. All right. We considering when
Speaker 1: you look at and you watch Fletcher Cox destroy New
Speaker 1: England's blocking scheme this weekend, we did the we did
Speaker 1: the Byron Jones Defense Hour recently. We don't know. That's fine. Well,
Speaker 1: back to the original question though, just to me, cornerback
Speaker 1: is the third most important position on your roster. So
Speaker 1: you can never have enough of those guys. Whoa whoa,
Speaker 1: whoa whoa wait, quarterback, yeah, ass rusher, ass rusher, left tackle,
Speaker 1: corner to me, in my opinion, you can work around it. Well,
Speaker 1: don't tell the Cowboys that they struggled. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: left tackle got you killed. They struggled with that. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: that's lack of depth more than anything. But I left
Speaker 1: tackle still important. It probably you know, it's probably some
Speaker 1: more top five for me. Corners third, I mean, you
Speaker 1: have to have a guy that can at least, you know,
Speaker 1: keep receivers busy on the outside, and you can never
Speaker 1: have enough of those guys. Now in the first round.
Speaker 1: That's an interesting debate for this team because with a
Speaker 1: Woozier Lewis that you know, you invested second round, second
Speaker 1: day picks and those guys last year. You still have
Speaker 1: hope for Anthony Brown, right, Yeah, you know you're not
Speaker 1: toss him aside. So there's there's an interesting debate there.
Speaker 1: If a Hughes now Josh Jackson, I'm not taking there,
Speaker 1: but if either if use were to be there, that'd
Speaker 1: be interesting debate. See that's where that's where I'm now.
Speaker 1: Now you're starting to I don't know, man, that sounds crazy.
Speaker 1: I know how important hues. Those are players. They might
Speaker 1: be sure, but those guys are players. I know, I
Speaker 1: hear you, and and I would imagine they'd they'd probably
Speaker 1: be better than, like I said, at least one of
Speaker 1: your top three. But again, is it the most efficient
Speaker 1: pick possible? Is it? Is it more noticeably better than
Speaker 1: plugging a really quality guard into what's already a good
Speaker 1: offensive line. I don't know. That's that's a debate. We
Speaker 1: can contend. Would you play Fitzpatrick Alabama at safety or corner?
Speaker 1: I like him best at corner, but he could play safety,
Speaker 1: no problem. It's like Jalen Ramsey, like he could he
Speaker 1: be a slider. I don't see how. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: one of the top five players in this draft. I mean,
Speaker 1: unless there's something comes up medical we don't know about,
Speaker 1: then I don't see how. But I mean he's like
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey where, yes, I know Jalen Ramsey's been out
Speaker 1: standing at corner. He'd be just as good as a
Speaker 1: safety as a free safety in this league. So I
Speaker 1: make a Fitzpatrick. I'm not saying he's gonna make the
Speaker 1: same type of impact as Jalen Ramsey, but he for
Speaker 1: a lot of guys. If you don't have a true position,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, did Jalen Ramsey have a true position?
Speaker 1: It wasn't this team talking. It wasn't safety. It was not.
Speaker 1: It was not as obvious as it seems now right,
Speaker 1: it was not as defined because he was as safe
Speaker 1: as Patrick say. And then he played corner, but he
Speaker 1: was up and down. He's played a lot better at
Speaker 1: corner now in the pros. Fitzpatrick he played minimal snaps
Speaker 1: as an outside corner, but he played a lot of
Speaker 1: slot corner, you know, as kind of their versatile nickel defender.
Speaker 1: I've seen him backpedal, I've seen his instincts. He can
Speaker 1: do it in the nickel, he can do it outside.
Speaker 1: He's a big, long Yeah, I'm playing him outside as
Speaker 1: a perimeter corner, but uh, there's no worries with me
Speaker 1: with Fitzpatrick can play free safety, played nickel, he could
Speaker 1: do it all but he's not falling, He's not there.
Speaker 1: You go. I thought that about that safety from Ohio State. Here.
Speaker 1: You're yeah, you're I'm ready for somebody that we think
Speaker 1: if you just you take it, you take it so personally,
Speaker 1: I do take when like when life intervenes with your board,
Speaker 1: you know, like stuff happens, man, so it does. But
Speaker 1: you know what, you gotta be ready. Do you gotta
Speaker 1: be ready? You gotta be ready for that one more.
Speaker 1: You gotta get tay in here real quick. All right? Um,
Speaker 1: just well, I'll tell you. Let's let's let's let's be
Speaker 1: sure you have a short one. You have a small one.
Speaker 1: I know. There and there we go on. We got
Speaker 1: we got some good question. No, I can get one more.
Speaker 1: There's gonna do it. I'm gonna put Dane on the spot.
Speaker 1: All right. Question from Reuben. The Ravens, Chargers and Seahawks
Speaker 1: all picked before the Cowboys, right, what what do you
Speaker 1: think their needs are? And like I mean, you're looking
Speaker 1: at the players who might be falling off the board
Speaker 1: right before the Cowboys pick. And how does that affect
Speaker 1: that raven receiver I say, receivers from the quarterback Seahawk
Speaker 1: offensive line. Oh Brian just did it there for you.
Speaker 1: I mean that's yeah, those are the obvious ones. But
Speaker 1: you look at some of the best players available. You know,
Speaker 1: if a Roquan Smith or Derwin James, you know, we
Speaker 1: could see a team like you know, you know, Aussie
Speaker 1: Ridley in Baltimore. Ridley, Yeah, it was. He was chumming
Speaker 1: it up with Nick Saban at the story. Worry about
Speaker 1: worry about the Ravens and Ridley. They need well. I
Speaker 1: tried to get Dez Bryant from you one time too.
Speaker 1: They need a skill player receiver for sure. Sure, I
Speaker 1: mean sure they do. I could see, you know, if
Speaker 1: if a Darius Guys or somebody like that is there,
Speaker 1: they could use a bell Cow running back. Alex Collins
Speaker 1: played well down the stretch. But yeah, they don't have that, true,
Speaker 1: like you said, a bell Cow, So yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: think you can rule out running back there. Same with Seattle.
Speaker 1: I think that's a possibility for running back as well.
Speaker 1: But they need offensive line and Baltimore they need to
Speaker 1: rebuild that front seven a lot, right. Trell Suggs is
Speaker 1: on the you know he's fifty Yeah, yeah, he's near
Speaker 1: in the eighteenth hole. Uh, it's time to kind of
Speaker 1: rebuild that that that front seven. They've you know, they
Speaker 1: took Marland Humphrey in the first round last year, so
Speaker 1: the secondary they've invested a lot in, especially in their
Speaker 1: free agency. So Baltimore, Yeah, you have to look at
Speaker 1: skill player, especially wide receiver. They only had two wide
Speaker 1: receivers more than twenty catches lift years. Got a lot
Speaker 1: of money in that quarterback too. Oh my right, god, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't know it was that bad. Perriman has not
Speaker 1: worked out for no and it's a lot of it's
Speaker 1: been injury. So I mean they might be skittish on
Speaker 1: another first round wide receiver because of him. Sure, But
Speaker 1: then you had the Chargers. It's kind of their moo
Speaker 1: to go in the trenches. The offensive line, defensive line help.
Speaker 1: They need a quarterback though, Chargers. Chargers, you think rivers
Speaker 1: talently or quarterback will be there for him, We'll see.
Speaker 1: But take a take a quarterback and look toward the
Speaker 1: future or draft win and show her up. The rest
Speaker 1: of your offensive line could very well do that. That's good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: good questions. All right, thanks everybody for those. Sorry we
Speaker 1: didn't get to more. Yeah, sorry, we'll try and answer
Speaker 1: them on we'll go on Twitter and answer. Okay. Coming
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Speaker 1: their pads, and their helmet, but they're not gonna want
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Speaker 1: knows the rules absolutely, And yes we do welcome Taylor
Speaker 1: Stern to the show. Hey, we missed you down there
Speaker 1: to see what I missed you guys. I mean, last
Speaker 1: time I went, was it freezing again? It was? It
Speaker 1: was chilly, but not terrible fifties so cold two years ago,
Speaker 1: I don't know it was the Then I go down
Speaker 1: to the Pro Bowl last year and it's facing it was, well,
Speaker 1: it was a monsoon this year. Yeah, I'd be glad
Speaker 1: you didn't go this year. Yeah. And then if you
Speaker 1: guys haven't seen it's really cold in Minnesota, I guess. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's your timeline saying that, mind saying that a lot too.
Speaker 1: And I've heard that everybody saying, oh three below. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I lived in it for five years. Yes, I'm sick
Speaker 1: of it. We're all doing great. We're all doing great.
Speaker 1: To your question, you know, Tay, you know your expertise
Speaker 1: of course of a lot of things, but really the
Speaker 1: social side of it though, I mean, you dig in
Speaker 1: on these players and stuff like that, and I know
Speaker 1: that you got some stuff for us today and in
Speaker 1: your in your segment, there the stern look of some
Speaker 1: potential guys that the Cowboys can take. Yes, And I
Speaker 1: want to kind of turn it over to you and
Speaker 1: let you kind of talk about the various guys and
Speaker 1: what you're reading from, you know, as you're analyzing. We
Speaker 1: see the film stuff, but kind of the personal side
Speaker 1: of some of these kids. Yeah. Well, I really I
Speaker 1: talk a lot about this with Dave and you guys,
Speaker 1: and the certain thing of I think this is the
Speaker 1: first generation of draftabowl prospects where they have more communication
Speaker 1: control than ever before. I mean, they're announcing their draft decklers.
Speaker 1: I'm going to the draft. They're announced saying, oh I
Speaker 1: got a letter to the Combine or the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: I mean, we know more about them from them than
Speaker 1: say their school or you know, because most of them
Speaker 1: don't have agents yet. You know, they're working on that still.
Speaker 1: And now I mean they're getting these contracts, these large endorsements,
Speaker 1: even before they're on a team. Ye you know. I
Speaker 1: remember I think Zeke was the one who signed the
Speaker 1: huge Nike deal before he was even drafted. Like the
Speaker 1: you know, the first the elite prospects are already doing that.
Speaker 1: They're looking at the shoot trying to get that money
Speaker 1: in that pocket right now. I mean, I remember we're
Speaker 1: sitting on probably Cowboys Break with you, Brian, and we're
Speaker 1: sitting there watching Snapchat during the thirty day visits and
Speaker 1: we're like, Zeke's here today. Yeah, that was a great
Speaker 1: way to kind of fall along what was going on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just know all of that stuff. So I really
Speaker 1: wanted to look at some of these guys, asked Dave
Speaker 1: some of his advice of some guys that are potential
Speaker 1: Cowboys targets in the first or second round. And I
Speaker 1: want to start with obviously Calvin Ridley. He has a
Speaker 1: Twitter and Instagram, pretty popular guy. Obviously, playing at Alabama
Speaker 1: you get more exposure than most. But of course he
Speaker 1: announced his decision to go to the NFL through Twitter.
Speaker 1: I just don't know when that even started. And who
Speaker 1: helps them write these? Because some of these well crafted. Yeah,
Speaker 1: some of these are great. Like Vita his was very
Speaker 1: like you could tell it was like on his phone.
Speaker 1: It was like literally a screenshot of a note. But
Speaker 1: then like Calvin Ridley's is like a professional graphic. Oh
Speaker 1: I saw that one. Yeah, got like the drop caps, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the shadowing, like his signature is put on, So I'm like,
Speaker 1: who helps him do this? Like? Interesting the Alabama graphic design? Yeah,
Speaker 1: perhaps nice jot, wouldn't that be awesome? Thing? What about
Speaker 1: him the decision? Well? He very simple tweets, very simple
Speaker 1: tweets off a lot of motivational phrases, and he's promoting
Speaker 1: his snapchat a lot, which is interesting to me because
Speaker 1: I'm like, why do you you know, why do you
Speaker 1: want people to see your snapchat? Because usually snapchat has
Speaker 1: more of a connotation of private. Sure, like this is
Speaker 1: my personal life, you know what I'm doing on Twitter
Speaker 1: and Instagram, But that's different. Now. The thing I thought
Speaker 1: was funny, what's his what's his snap handle? Ted? Do
Speaker 1: you have it? Pretty thirteen or something? I'll look it
Speaker 1: up later. That's a if you think I'm not going
Speaker 1: to be following along with that stuff when they're going
Speaker 1: on their visits and stuff, oh, no doubt, crazy, no doubt. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they want to show everyone like look who wants me
Speaker 1: and all this stuff. Now I did notice this. I
Speaker 1: told you this earlier. Brand He only has thirty one
Speaker 1: posts on Instagram and I haven't followed him for long,
Speaker 1: but it looks like he went there and cleaned up
Speaker 1: some things. Have you seen that before, Dane. That's one
Speaker 1: of the first things they tell you is clear out
Speaker 1: your history. I mean, you don't know what pictures are
Speaker 1: out there, gas mask photos. Yeah, well, we remember when
Speaker 1: Dak got tweeted art when he got drafted. Everyone looked
Speaker 1: back at his tweets, just hyping at Dak fifteen at
Speaker 1: the time, Dallas Cowboys and then the Tony Romo tweets
Speaker 1: came up right, good point, So it's go look through that.
Speaker 1: If you've ever said anything bad about an NFL team, deleted.
Speaker 1: But overall, what you're seeing with him pretty clean. Though
Speaker 1: as far as pretty clean, I mean pretty average, like
Speaker 1: as far as like just retweeting his own highlights and
Speaker 1: things like that. I do think that he has the
Speaker 1: most exposure out of these five guys. I looked at
Speaker 1: and he has oh my gosh. Yeah, And I mean
Speaker 1: he's been playing for Alabama, so he understands that, which
Speaker 1: is a good thing. Next guy looked at was Will Hernandez.
Speaker 1: That's got to be the other end of the spectrum. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: he rarely tweets. I'm shocked. More active on Instagram, of course,
Speaker 1: But to be honest, he's kind of a boring Instagram
Speaker 1: followed two because it's just game photos. I do like though,
Speaker 1: this was pretty funny because he did out of all
Speaker 1: these like different just game day photos, you'd appreciate this, Brian.
Speaker 1: He has a meme of like somebody carrying somebody out
Speaker 1: of a Chinese buffet. So he's playing on the fact, like,
Speaker 1: I get, I'm an offensive lineman. I get, I eat
Speaker 1: a lot of food, yeah, pounds, Yeah, I know the
Speaker 1: feeling getting carried out of a buffet. Yeah. And so
Speaker 1: it was like, okay, I like that. You mix that
Speaker 1: up a little sense of humor. Then huh. I talked
Speaker 1: to him for about ten minutes at the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: and it didn't granted I'm a reporter, but it did
Speaker 1: not shine through. He was he's he was a bit
Speaker 1: of a surly fellow, which how much would that mix
Speaker 1: with our guys? Oh yeah, hey, this is a business
Speaker 1: minded old line. I really with the exception of Friendliest
Speaker 1: man on the planet Joe Looney, they're all kind of stoic, yeah,
Speaker 1: and so he doesn't have the typical offensive lineman attitude,
Speaker 1: Like if you look at other schools, they're the goofy
Speaker 1: ones the the funny ones outspoken sometimes and he's definitely not.
Speaker 1: But he does retweet a lot of highlights of like
Speaker 1: pancake Blox. He very proud of that. There you go,
Speaker 1: So we're proud of you too when you do those
Speaker 1: three pounds Brot. Yeah, a lot of pancake. The next one,
Speaker 1: of course, Vita Vea. We talked about him a bunch
Speaker 1: of that game. He also announced his draft decision through
Speaker 1: social media. I thought was funny because that was the
Speaker 1: note one looked like he just was like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: guess I gotta tell someone. Oh private Instagram. Private Instagram
Speaker 1: now not a battling down like you never know, right,
Speaker 1: hiding and you're about to professional football play. Yeah no,
Speaker 1: I mean some if you can do that, some guys
Speaker 1: want to keep some things private. Something's you know, like
Speaker 1: like me personally, I like Twitter is kind of my
Speaker 1: public thing, and Facebook I try to keep my private
Speaker 1: you know. I. Oh yeah, I don't just accept anybody
Speaker 1: on Facebook or anything like that. So I understand if
Speaker 1: players want to do the same thing, well I agree.
Speaker 1: And the only thing I noticed about him is that
Speaker 1: he has a very serious girlfriend. I don't know how
Speaker 1: long they've been dating, but serious enough that her posts
Speaker 1: are flooded with him, so you kind of have you know,
Speaker 1: that's sometimes people forget that that they think, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm protecting myself. But if you're letting other people to
Speaker 1: be part of your life and expose you, you need
Speaker 1: to also have another conversation with them, like what is she?
Speaker 1: What has she posted about you? Before? We've all seen
Speaker 1: what happened with Giselle and Tom Brady. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes you have to understand that, Hey, Annie Apple, don't
Speaker 1: tweet this all the time. Yeah, that's another spectrum of
Speaker 1: this now because people well, I mean, Dave, how many
Speaker 1: times have you seen like somebody like oh this is
Speaker 1: what Stacy Elliot had said? Oh yeah, we're looking at
Speaker 1: not only them on social media, but what are their
Speaker 1: family and friends saying? I'm embarrassed of how many cowboy
Speaker 1: family members that I follow? Just like two what it
Speaker 1: was three years ago Orlando Scandrick's fiance tweeted out a
Speaker 1: picture of his MRI to retore all the ligaments in
Speaker 1: his legs, Like, yeah, just you never know, you ever
Speaker 1: never know what you're gonna see from from some of
Speaker 1: these channels. Seriously, like like stuff you're not supposed to see.
Speaker 1: She's just like, well, this is what happened to Orlando.
Speaker 1: It's like a picture of his leg. A lot of
Speaker 1: family members don't fully grasp they're basically an extension of
Speaker 1: the player, you know, in terms of perspective, you're trying
Speaker 1: to figure these kids out. I mean, I know, I
Speaker 1: think he would be just so valuable to have somebody's expertise,
Speaker 1: like Tay come in and tell me about these kids.
Speaker 1: I guarante I bring her the combine, say Okay, you're
Speaker 1: gonna sit in and listen to me talk to these kids.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you that there's there's at least a few
Speaker 1: people listening to this segment that are kind of rolling
Speaker 1: their eyes and wondering why this is important. Yeah, guarantee
Speaker 1: you they're doing this. Oh absolutely, Oh, I guarantee you.
Speaker 1: Agencies have multiple people just doing that. So they're making
Speaker 1: sure their clients there's nothing buried on their social media
Speaker 1: that teams or fans or anybody be able to you know,
Speaker 1: pull up. So everyone's yeah, teams agents two thirds of
Speaker 1: our scouting department have Twitter handles. Yeah, and I get
Speaker 1: feedback on stuff. I tweet all the time. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: just like, oh, oh yeah, I forgot y'all are on
Speaker 1: here too, y'all are looking at stuff, y'all are paying attention.
Speaker 1: I agree. You know a lot of people are always like, oh,
Speaker 1: what does that matter? Just play the game, don't worry
Speaker 1: about that stuff. I'm sorry. But it's all about character though, too.
Speaker 1: It is. It's all about character and it's all about
Speaker 1: marketability these days. I mean, Dak Prescott, only a second
Speaker 1: year guy, is the most endorsed player in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Guarantee you. If he didn't have the social presence he does,
Speaker 1: he would not be there. Yeah, I guarantee that because
Speaker 1: I mean, who was I talking to the or I
Speaker 1: was listening to a podcast of the under Armor founder
Speaker 1: and he was saying, yeah, we only signed guys after
Speaker 1: we look at their social media. Yeah. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just the way of the world these days. So if
Speaker 1: you're gonna go, what was our highest best tweet on
Speaker 1: draft night, taco emojia? It was a great tweet, because
Speaker 1: it's just all about that nowadays. I mean, they're finding
Speaker 1: the news out of who these guys, where they're going,
Speaker 1: or what they like or man, did you know this guy?
Speaker 1: You know feels this way about this. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: I guarantee you there's some guys that like need to
Speaker 1: clean up more. Yea, they don't think anyone's looking. I
Speaker 1: want you to find me a draft prospect who's a
Speaker 1: nine to eleven. Okay, that's your goal next week, you guys,
Speaker 1: I won't be here next week, but it's true maybe
Speaker 1: I will. Well, we'll get you back for the combine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for the combine. Me be a list, find me some
Speaker 1: real dirt. That way we can when we go to
Speaker 1: the combo, we gonna ask the player. So yeah, two
Speaker 1: years ago lat Earth theory A yeah, what's going on
Speaker 1: with this? Hermine Edmunds tweets a lot. Yeah, talk about him. Okay,
Speaker 1: they's likeeen years old, so he's Yeah, he's a Twitter
Speaker 1: handle his main savage, which I really appreciate. Like he's
Speaker 1: the Virginia Tech linebacker that you know, possibility of the Cowboys. Look,
Speaker 1: I mean he's with the second best linebacker on your board,
Speaker 1: right or first for some people. Okay, that's what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I depend on which way you want to go. Smith Edmunds,
Speaker 1: those are the two linebackers. But what'd you find out
Speaker 1: about him. We love talking about family, and he loves
Speaker 1: talking about his brother, who was an undrafted rookie for
Speaker 1: the Saints. I mean he posts about him all the
Speaker 1: time like and which is awesome. But you know, like, okay,
Speaker 1: is he going to lean one way because these guys
Speaker 1: are going on different visits? Right? You know that that
Speaker 1: impacts too, you know, is he going to give more
Speaker 1: to his Saints visit than say he would with the
Speaker 1: Cowboys because he's leaning there, right, you know, and a
Speaker 1: lot of them don't know, like, Okay, yeah, I could
Speaker 1: go to the Saints be with my brother for a second.
Speaker 1: There aren't many Rod Smith brother Jalen Smith situations. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is pretty rare. Yeah, I mean I remember sitting
Speaker 1: with you brand We asked Rod, like, where's your brother
Speaker 1: want to go? That was before his injury, right right,
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. Yeah, Rod was just a practice
Speaker 1: squad guy at the time, Sue. The last one I
Speaker 1: looked at was the wide receiver Oklahoma State James Washington.
Speaker 1: Of course, he was very talked about, or I guess
Speaker 1: you'd say, like popular at the Senior Bowl. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: week sure didn't. Yeah, and he noticed that as well.
Speaker 1: He's one of those that searches a name searcher. I
Speaker 1: love the name sears. It's funny how many of my
Speaker 1: tweets get favorited by Oh, Josh Jackson favorited this tweet
Speaker 1: and maybe positive about him might be negative. So it's amazing.
Speaker 1: Those guys do live for the name searchers. They're my favorite.
Speaker 1: He retweeted our article we posted about him us. He
Speaker 1: posts about Dez all the time. Obviously the connection there,
Speaker 1: and it's just it's funny. But he is a true
Speaker 1: West Texan, y'all. He is at Sanford. Is that where
Speaker 1: he's from. Well, he posts a lot about hunting, which
Speaker 1: I thought was kind of unique to his personality and
Speaker 1: very cool. Yeah, so that was funny, But yes, he's
Speaker 1: a name searcher. Now. The other thing about name searching,
Speaker 1: it goes back to their girlfriends are doing it too,
Speaker 1: their family friends. They're like, where's this guy gonna go?
Speaker 1: Do I need to be friends with him again? Just
Speaker 1: delete your social media until the drafts over or for good? Really,
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. Social media is the greatest
Speaker 1: and worst thing everyone. I love social media as a
Speaker 1: member of the media, but if I was an athlete,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I would be the guy that doesn't happen,
Speaker 1: Like what's the point. But if you want to make
Speaker 1: some money, I'll, you know, I'll do five minute oil
Speaker 1: change here in Dallas. Like look at what Tom Brady did.
Speaker 1: He just has Tom versus time. That's well present Tom
Speaker 1: tom Brady is a phenomenon. I mean, like he's got
Speaker 1: his own team, Like he's probably got a bigger staff
Speaker 1: putting his social together than we do. Probably that's so.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, if you're the greatest quarterback ever, you
Speaker 1: can control the message. Well that's what I found for
Speaker 1: you guys. Well thanks to appreciate that. That was very
Speaker 1: very good. You know what I mean. It is it's
Speaker 1: it's really important, you know, and it's something that I
Speaker 1: never got to experience. I mean, I was my last
Speaker 1: year in the scouting room was two thousand and five.
Speaker 1: So we really weren't you know, looking at one year
Speaker 1: into Facebook and yeah we were Twitter. Yeah we really weren't.
Speaker 1: You know were I mean you were trying to you
Speaker 1: were trying to dig information. I always thought, because you know,
Speaker 1: you're going to give these kids, you know, one hundreds
Speaker 1: of millions of dollars, you know why not, why not
Speaker 1: try and figure out as much stuff about him? And
Speaker 1: I always felt like, you know, could you talk to
Speaker 1: the equipment man, can you talk to you know, your
Speaker 1: interview their third grand teachers. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You you go into great depths to try and figure
Speaker 1: these guys out. I'll give you an example. There was
Speaker 1: a player when I was running the draft in Philadelphia
Speaker 1: that I talked mister Lurry into spending an significant amount
Speaker 1: of money to have a private investigator follow Yeah, just
Speaker 1: because I wanted to know, Just because I wanted to know.
Speaker 1: And you'll do whatever you have to do. And the
Speaker 1: social part of it, there is somebody like Taylor who's
Speaker 1: who's an expert at this. You know, if you could
Speaker 1: draw from that and say, okay, what tell me about
Speaker 1: this kid? What's his makeuperception is reality? Am I going
Speaker 1: to get an immature kid here? You know? Am I
Speaker 1: going to get a kid that's got his head on?
Speaker 1: Is he? Is he tweeting out Bible scriptures? Is he
Speaker 1: always party in? Is he what's he doing? Social media
Speaker 1: helps you figure that out. You can figure that out.
Speaker 1: I mean, if again you follow Ezekiel, you see a
Speaker 1: fun guy you want to go out with Zeke. You
Speaker 1: know you want to go out with him because he's
Speaker 1: always doing something fun to their tagged photos too. Yeah
Speaker 1: you saw my ranking. Tis my database of players that
Speaker 1: you have. I've got you know, the height, weight, hometown,
Speaker 1: high school, everything. Also the column for Twitter, all the
Speaker 1: habitter accounts for all these players, because it's important. How
Speaker 1: many times have you heard people say if they had
Speaker 1: social media back in my day? Michael Irvin says it
Speaker 1: all the time. Oh yeah, no doubt. Yeah, that's great. Helly,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for throwing up. We always appreciate
Speaker 1: taste takes and the stern look. I want to thank
Speaker 1: Dan Burglar, David Helman, Ki Garrison, and I want to
Speaker 1: thank everybody out there for watching us today and if
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