WEBVTT - Boycott or Nah? 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:03.680 Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:05.080 with reisent Choice Media. 0:00:05.559 --> 0:00:09.600 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:12.480 Home, y'all. This is episode sixty four. As in the 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:15.040 nineteen sixty four Civil Rights Acts that they're trying to 0:00:15.120 --> 0:00:17.560 roll back, but this is episode sixty four of Native 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.840 Land Pod. I am kicking this off. I'm your host, 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:24.000 Tiffany Cross along with my other hosts, Angela Rye and 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:27.120 Andrew gillim And we got a pack show today, y'all. 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:28.320 What's going on? What's all got? 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:30.720 Well? 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:33.920 We got a special guest. That's that's one great thing. 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:35.400 Yes, do you want to say? 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:37.320 No, one and only Leslie Jones. 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:40.239 We got Leslie Jones, y'all. I didn't want to give 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:40.520 it away. 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:41.640 I was gonna let you tell us. 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:41.960 Yes. 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:44.800 We're excited because you know, we typically have guests during 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:47.519 our live shows. But you guys follow us. You saw 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:48.960 Leslie was like let me be I guess and we 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:52.159 were like, yes, through to have you. So we'll be 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:57.320 having guests done. So this is our first show. No, 0:00:57.400 --> 0:01:00.480 it's not because we have we have Reverend we have Yeah, 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:01.560 but what am I talking about? 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:04.360 This is our first time virtually, to be fair to 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:05.960 that's our first time virtually having you. 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:08.400 That's true. That's true. So excited about that. 0:01:08.520 --> 0:01:09.920 But that's not true either, Andrew. 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:13.160 No, no, no, I mean, hey, shout out to the first, but. 0:01:13.319 --> 0:01:16.080 It's some type of first. This is the only inauguration 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:19.760 that matters. Yeah, right, this in this calendar year. And 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:22.520 speaking of this calendar year, it's twenty twenty five, and 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:24.080 also Project twenty twenty five. 0:01:23.959 --> 0:01:28.240 As well underway yesterday. Well, by the time y'all see this. 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:32.120 Two days ago, I did an executive order of conversation 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:33.639 with our NLP audience. 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:35.520 We're calling them sidepods or solo pods. 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:43.440 I I was gonna say, depending on if you ask Andrew. 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:44.760 Or the rest of us, it's a side pod. 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:48.000 And I think that what we also will get into 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:51.800 every show is what is happening from Project twenty twenty 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:54.160 five that the administration is pushing through. 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:56.720 So that will come out for shore in today's show. 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:58.440 I love it, Andrew. 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:02.680 What you got, well you all know, I guess as 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:09.800 an extension of Project twenty twenty five Trump Racist January sixth, 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:14.760 insurrectionist slash racist bigots. Keeping with the theme and what's 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:18.640 motivating this administration and his supporters, it seems, is coming 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:21.519 after people of color, and in this case very specifically 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:26.880 black folk in this withdrawing of support for a diversity 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:32.160 and inclusion in the workplace, government, non nonprofit and for profit. 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:36.520 I want to assess to boycott or not to boycott? 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:38.760 That is the question. I look forward to getting into 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:39.240 it with y'all. 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:40.960 I know a lot of you guys have asked about that. 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:43.440 Another question that we get asked a lot is what 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:47.679 do we do? So many people ask in our audience 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:50.880 but also in my personal space, just our personal friends 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:53.880 have been asking what do we do? Angela? I know 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.840 you get this question probably the most because people will 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.000 even ask me, can you ask Angela? And it'd be 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:03.200 about something very cific or something very broad. So I 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:06.320 just want to talk about that and what that means 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:08.960 for our audience and how we can better handle that 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:10.920 question and how people can better frame their question. 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:13.799 And you say, what what can we do in response 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:14.480 to what's happening? 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:17.720 Is that everything everybody knows? Everybody knows right now, we 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:19.360 say what do we do? That we are in an 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:22.679 existential crisis? How do we respond? I want to say 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:25.800 this before we went out of the rundown. TIFU laugh 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:29.240 at this, Andrew. For the first time. I finally got 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:33.040 called Tiffany in an Instagram comedy yesterday. So you know, 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:35.200 she's always like people are calling me and I was like, 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:37.120 that doesn't happen to me. They were like, Tiffany, I 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:38.680 just love you, can you? And I was like, I 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:39.680 just am not Tiffany. 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:40.480 She ain't even anything. 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:40.840 I love it. 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:41.520 I love it. 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:43.920 They do that all this time. 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:45.960 I get it. I get it all the time. 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:50.080 I'm gonna be called Andrew. I'm sure I know ORR 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:52.800 today because look at my shirt. 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:56.600 Y'all are show up. 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:58.600 Though I know. I was just thinking that. 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:02.400 I would support black, our own brands and historically black collegists, 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:03.640 since don't nobody else want to. 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.560 Okay exactly, speaking of let's get into it. 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:12.800 Thank you so much for welcoming home each and every 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:14.440 week when I listen to you guys. 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:17.880 My name is doctor annbra Brown, and I have a question. 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:20.400 I know that Donald. 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:23.800 Trump is constantly putting out these ook orders that are 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:28.920 very harmful and very impactful in a negative way towards 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:30.160 the minorities. 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:33.440 Especially brown and black communities. 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:39.040 And so I think just recently he decided to stop letting. 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:42.560 Funeral agency celebrate Black History Month. 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:46.400 And my question is, like, why are Black Americans just 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:48.720 allowing us to happen? Like why can't we stay up 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:50.680 and say no, this is not what we're gonna do, 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:54.520 Like stop giving our money to companies and organizations and. 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:57.640 Platforms that do not care about us. When that happens, 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:00.200 I feel like they can be defeated and show that no, 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:03.000 you can't do this. Test like why are we allowing us? 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:04.599 Do you have any thoughts? Fakes? 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:09.359 Yeah, so Ambers, Ambers question is really hitting on what 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:11.640 a lot of folks in our community are talking about 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:14.640 right now. We've had conversations in my household I'm sure 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:19.120 y'all have with with family and other friends around you know, 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:21.800 how do we continue to give our money away to 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:25.599 corporations who at this time are backing away from us 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:30.479 and doing so in such a public way as you 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:34.200 all know, and we talked about in the rundown. You know, 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:39.839 some of the more patronized brands by our community are 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:43.359 looking like they are betraying us, and it's hitting very, 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:45.800 very close to home. I'll start with the fact that 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:52.040 Target just recently announced that they were ending their DEI work, 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:57.960 their emphasis on recruiting more minority let businesses into their profile. 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.480 We'll talk more about that, but I just wanted to 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:03.960 quickly mention some of the companies who have joined Target 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:11.839 in stepping back from our community and supporting diversity, Amazon, Walmart, Meta, McDonald's, Ford, 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:20.080 Harley Davidson, Lowe's, John Deere Tractor supply, Brown fore Men, 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:24.920 and the list actually is continuing to grow. I think 0:06:25.040 --> 0:06:27.200 part of the good news is y'all is that the 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:29.440 list of companies who are saying they are sticking with 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:34.320 us is also growing. Some of those are Apple, Costco, 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:39.400 Ben and Jerry's, EIF Beauty, JP Morgan, and again that 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:43.960 list is continuing to grow. But folks, man, this is 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.320 our j and I were having a conversation about the 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.719 Target piece because it's one of the first places we 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:53.239 were able to go to find Black History Month shirts 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:56.479 that fit our kids that they could wear the school 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:59.520 and felt we're proud about it. And we also, of course, 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.359 as y'all know, have friends who are who on the 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:05.440 merchandising side. In fact, why don't we, just before we 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:09.240 get into our conversation just quickly throw to just one 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:13.280 of those examples of vendors, of black vendors who are 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:15.600 part of Target's national portfolio. 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:19.040 Yeah, this is Melissa Butler. She's the owner of the 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:22.200 lip Bar, which is carried in Target. Let's take a listen. 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.640 I've seen a lot of people like, this is why 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:27.840 we need our own Target, or this is why we 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:31.560 need our own Walmart, which is true. But do you 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:33.480 know why we don't have our own Target. Do you 0:07:33.520 --> 0:07:36.400 know why we don't have our own Walmart? Because we 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:42.280 barely shop black brands. We're constantly competing to tell people 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:46.360 to shop the lip bar over Charlotte Tilbury, or the 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:51.400 lip bar over Mac, or the lip bar over Nyx 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:52.440 or Elf or etc. 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:53.040 Etc. 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:58.600 So the reason why we don't have these powerhouse brands 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:00.360 is because. 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:01.920 Our support is finicky. 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:06.920 In twenty twenty, when it was cool to shop black 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:11.800 owned businesses, we all got an inflated sense of support 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.920 for about three months, and then by the end of 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:18.560 the year we had all this extra inventory. Some people 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.600 had hired a bunch of people, and guess what, it 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:26.239 wasn't cool to shop black anymore. But again, the reason 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:30.080 why we don't have the control that y'all want us 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.560 to have is because we are not keeping our dollars 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:36.600 with on our community in the first place. So now 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.719 when somebody decides that they don't want to support our community, 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:41.280 we're all up in arms. 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:43.040 Well, we've created this. 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:48.560 So that's one perspective, y'all. 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:51.280 I'm curious to know, ladies, how are you all thinking 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:56.120 about some of the upcoming I think boycotts that are 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:59.800 pretty well predictable. Reverend al Sharpton has announced along with 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:03.000 this committee that there'll be a strategic list of companies 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:08.640 that will be first targeted, no pun intended. And then 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:13.120 there's been an announcement that February first would be the 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:17.880 start of a nationwide boycott of target. I'm curious to 0:09:17.880 --> 0:09:19.559 know how you all feel about that, especially in the 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:21.520 context of these business owners. 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:23.160 I am. 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:27.480 I was so grateful to our friend, Reverend Mark Thompson 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:32.040 in our feed we have a black media feed, and 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:33.680 he said, and I don't think I'm out of line. 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:35.360 We normally don't share out of here, but this is 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:38.679 a synopsis he gave us from the letter from the 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:42.800 Birmingham Jail, which we know is from Reverend Martin Luther King, 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:45.319 Reverend doctor Martin Luther King. He said that there are 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.520 four steps that you take in a direct action against 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:53.240 any entity, and the first is the collection of the evidence, 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:56.000 which I think that we mostly have. These companies have 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:59.040 come out now and have said where they are rescinding, 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.360 where they are retracting. I do think it's important that 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:05.000 we distinguish Amazon, and we can talk about that today 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:10.160 or another time. To negotiation, which normally are your list 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:13.800 of demands. I have not seen a list of any 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:19.040 clear demands. The third is spiritual purification. As you all know, 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:23.920 doctor King had a commitment to nonviolent resistance. Some people 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:26.559 believe it's something else, but there is that. And then 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:31.400 the fourth is direct action, which are your protests, your boycotts, etc. Now, 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:34.480 what I think is important in this day and age 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.120 is I think we've gotten very comfortable with our ability 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:39.120 to blow things up. And I don't mean in a 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:41.800 literal sense. I mean in a figurative sense. We can 0:10:42.520 --> 0:10:44.760 say like we're gonna take this person that we cancel 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:46.959 in this person, this brand is canceled, blah blah, but 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:49.439 we don't have no type of strategic plan. 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:51.560 Reverend now has talked. 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:53.840 About them doing a ninety day review and then selecting 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:56.160 two companies from that there are more than two companies 0:10:56.200 --> 0:11:00.600 that are basically assaulting our community, trying to take our money, 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:04.440 but not respect us, not honor us. And I think 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:07.200 that we do need to be in conversation with the 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:10.600 vendors at these brands to figure out what does support 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:13.800 look like for them if these boycotts are indeed going 0:11:13.840 --> 0:11:17.959 to happen. What we should not do is subject our friends, 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:21.000 our family, brands that we care about to friendly fire, 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:22.600 because people are going to be real hot about if 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:24.599 they can't get Boss Lady no more. They're gonna be 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:26.840 real hot about if they can't get something from Tapa, 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:30.199 whether it's her book or some products she has in Target. 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:33.080 And I think that we are at a time a 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:37.120 very critical juncture where when we make enough noise, when 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:41.120 we make our demands clear, and we are on one 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:42.559 accord about it, there. 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:43.080 Is a response. 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:47.000 And I'll give you an example that's very timely right now. Yesterday, 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:51.760 the Trumpet or the night before, the Trump administration put 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.920 out a memo from the Office of Management and Budget, 0:11:55.640 --> 0:11:58.199 which is what I talked about on the Live show yesterday, 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:03.760 which was essentially a federal funding freeze. Today as a 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:06.760 result of the up uproar as a result of the 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:10.280 clear information we gathered as a result of our requirements 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:14.320 about what our expectations are as taxpayers of the federal government. 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:19.360 That federal funding freeze has been rescinded. It's been rescinded. 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:22.400 A judge stopped them yesterday. But today just now breaking 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:24.600 news while we're recording, it's been rescinded. 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:28.640 Stuff happens when we move, things change when we. 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:32.360 Stand together, and so I would implore us to figure 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:35.360 out what our demands look like in this very critical time, 0:12:35.760 --> 0:12:40.520 not just of brands, not just of entities, nonprofits, etc. 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.880 But also of this administration and also of the Congress, 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:47.240 particularly those representatives who are aligned with our beliefs. If 0:12:47.240 --> 0:12:49.760 we stand on run accord, I believe that fascism can 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.000 be beat. So I wanted to use that example because 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:54.040 I think it's a timely and it's an approach that 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:57.400 works universally. Sure our methods can change. We don't have 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:00.960 to do as doctor King did in the fifties and 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:02.480 the sixties as TIFFs. 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:03.640 So Alane went out as a. 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.559 Sixty fourth episode for the nineteen sixty four Civil Rights Act, 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:07.679 because we're trying to preserve it. 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:11.000 What is it look what does preservation, survival and. 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:13.400 Abundance look like it look like for us in this 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:15.080 day and age. And I think that is what we 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.080 need to wrestle with and get on the same page about. 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:17.680 Well. 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:20.480 I want to thank doctor Brown for a question. Appreciate 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:22.920 you listening and tuning in and taking the time to 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:25.520 drop a video. I do take a bit of an 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:27.920 issue with the framing, and I think it's important for 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:31.400 us to know Black folks ain't sitting around letting anything happen. 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:33.680 We have never done that, and I can see why 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:35.800 some people may think that. And she's not doctor Brown. 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:37.240 You're not the only person I've heard say that. I've 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.480 heard so many people say that, and I want you 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:43.280 to know it is not true. We have never been 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:46.319 a docile, laid down and let it happen people. We 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:49.720 have always we damn near freed ourselves in this country. 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.920 You know, we did free ourselves in this country, and 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:57.360 we are a liberated people who will fight to hold 0:13:57.400 --> 0:13:59.600 and protect that liberation. I know a lot of what 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:03.160 you see, the imagery you see on the very antiquated 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:07.120 echo chambers of cable news, shows like there are two 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:12.120 equal forces fighting each other because so often our truth 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:15.480 makes them uncomfortable, so that's not what gets highlighted. Our 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:18.560 resistance makes them uncomfortable. That's why you only hear about 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.560 Nat Turner as if that was the only slave rebellion, 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.800 when in truth, what there were hundreds of people who 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:27.840 fought to the death. And so if I can offer 0:14:28.040 --> 0:14:31.440 some hope, there are people all across this country right 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:34.920 now as we sit here and speak, who are activating, 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:38.080 who are organizing, who are trying to figure it out, 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.080 just like you, and I think we have to at 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:45.800 least keep that hope in mind. Don't believe their truth 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.160 about us. What we need in this moment is black 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:51.840 folks who believe in black folks enough to not believe 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:54.800 the bullshit they put out there about us. So and 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:56.840 you all hear us on this podcast. You've watched the 0:14:56.880 --> 0:15:00.440 work that Angela does, You've seen the work that Andrew does, 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:02.080 the work that we do here together to try to 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:04.800 make sure that people are informed. And we can't do 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:07.400 it all by ourselves. So I think that's an important 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:10.720 distinct distinction to make We are not let standing by 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:11.920 letting anything happen. 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.720 I feel that I feel that I also feel what 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:19.600 Amber is pointing out if I were to compare the 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:23.760 Trump administration one to the Trump administration two and how 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:28.440 the country seemed to respond. Right now in this moment, 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:34.600 the pushback feels pretty vacant, pretty void, And from just 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:38.520 my own personal lived experience and conversations you know, that 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.160 I've had and just things that I've observed, it feels 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:46.600 like this man is browbeating us. We are catching whiplash 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:48.960 left and right, trying to keep up with the impact 0:15:49.000 --> 0:15:53.040 of these executive orders. Angela's breaking news on the recension 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:57.800 of one. We saw them step back on the Tuskegee 0:15:57.800 --> 0:16:01.040 Airmen when they had taken that out of the training 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:05.600 curriculum for members of the Air Force and the larger military, 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:11.080 And so they're hearing something and it's feeling like we're 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:14.560 revving up to show that we are prepared to reckon 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:16.640 with you when you better be prepared to reckon with 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:21.880 us if we can square up. But a as a country, 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.760 when we look at the inauguration and we see corporation 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:28.840 after corporation after corporation, people who wrote statements following January sixth, 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:32.360 cutting ties, We're done with this. This was a you know, 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:37.040 a reach too far? Are now special guests, and everybody's 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:40.400 treking down tomorrow Lago to pay homage to bend the knee. 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:45.640 That is, in my experience pretty how do you say 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:51.080 deflating for the opposition? And my response really is twofold 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:55.000 so one to our leaders, our national leaders, folks in Congress, 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:57.240 I mean folks in the Senate, I mean these are elected. 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:00.400 I'm speaking very specifically on the elected side of this, 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:04.240 which is y'all need to clone Mitch McConnell on the left, 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:08.360 because I don't know how it is that when Republicans 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:11.880 were out of power, they were somehow able to bring 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:16.600 the government, the business to a grinding halt. When the 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.480 President declared war on the Congress by saying he has 0:17:19.520 --> 0:17:23.800 appropriation power over them, wherein it's given to the Congress 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.160 in the Constitution of the United States, I would have said, 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.800 we ain't hearing no more nominees for any position in 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:34.239 this government until we come to a reckoning on the 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:39.440 fact that Congress is the appropriator by constitution. Why would 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:41.679 we go from calling this man out saying that he 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:46.240 is creating an illegal act by trespassing on the rights 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:50.879 and the responsibility of Congress through appropriation and then in 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:54.120 the afternoon hold a confirmation hearing for three four five 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:57.720 of his nominees. No, sir, we're bringing the Congress to 0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:00.919 a halt until you recognize this because this man is 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:03.879 willing to roll the dice and take a chance that 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:07.800 the same Supreme Court that made him a king when 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.280 it comes to prosecution and accountability, will be the same 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:14.280 Supreme Court that will hold him, that will have his 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:19.919 back on this fight with Congress around appropriation and then 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:22.040 to the boycotts. Just real quick and I'll be done. 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:27.120 And this is to say the folks in Montgomery did 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:31.600 not want to have to disrupt their lives by walking 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:36.679 and carpooling to work, to church, to school, to social activities. 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:37.159 You have it. 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:41.440 When the boycott was announced, it wouldn't agreed upon by 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:45.840 all black people and Montgomery. In fact, we know that 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:50.440 through protests practically ten percent of us participated and all 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:53.760 of the civil rights demonstrations combined during that period of time. 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:58.200 So we're not going to be able to get everybody 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:02.920 signed on and by in uh through ballot or or 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:07.240 them expressing their opinions. But the damn thing, after a 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:13.159 year's time worked. It was inconveniencing. It was. It was 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:17.639 mind boggling, it was frustrating, it was angering for us, 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:22.399 but they stuck to it. We there was an announcement, 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:25.439 there was the plan was laid. We said we are 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:28.760 not getting back on this and back on this bus, 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:32.800 and that indignity to be suffered until y'all come to heal. 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:36.640 And they bought Montgomery to heal. I say that to say, 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:40.120 I've seen people texting and me, and and and and 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:42.760 my wife and just reading some of this stuff. Folks, 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:44.800 Well we can't do this because we got black brands. Well, 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:47.160 guess what. We spent a couple of days just looking 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:49.400 at how we can get access to those black brands 0:19:49.600 --> 0:19:52.960 outside of Target. Is there a direct distribution from a 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:57.080 from a provider directly to my house? And yes it 0:19:57.200 --> 0:20:00.639 existed for a good number of them. Target was a 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:03.359 distribution opportunity, but there was also a direct way to 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:05.920 get to the to the to the vendor to get 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:07.960 what it is that you want us you can support them. 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:09.560 So all I have to say is where there is 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:13.280 a will, there is a way. And if it isn't 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:17.200 making you uncomfortable, if it isn't disrupting your pattern, if 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:23.080 it isn't inconveniencing, mind boggling, mind blowing, upsetting, then you're 0:20:23.080 --> 0:20:24.160 not doing it right. 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:25.040 Can I add? 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:28.080 But these folks have never coming to us with respect 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:31.800 until we use our dollars to say hell Na, If 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:35.240 you don't respect me enough to employ me and to 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.480 employ the qualified brothers and sisters who are putting product 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:41.480 into this street, then you don't deserve my money. Period. 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:44.160 Angela. Let me ask you, because Andrew's making this point 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:46.359 about our de lyrics in Congress, and I have to 0:20:46.359 --> 0:20:48.480 be honest, like, I don't know who our leaders are, 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:51.159 and I you know, Andrew respectfully, I definitely am not 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:54.440 looking at elected officials as our leaders these days, because 0:20:54.480 --> 0:20:56.520 I think they are there to uphold an institution that 0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:59.200 quite frankly needs to be disrupted. At this point, I 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:01.600 think I'm ready to dis antle everything. But Andrew, you 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:04.080 do make a legitimate point that so many other people 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:06.880 have set. What are Democrats doing so, Angela? You heard 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:09.800 Andrew suggests, well they need to just halt government? Is 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:13.600 that possible? One? Do the Democrats have the power to 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:16.640 do that? And two? Is the Congressional Black Caucus large 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:20.639 enough in number where they can halt legislation. Most of 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:21.959 them are in the House, so I don't know how 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:25.080 they would like halt the Senate confirmations. And as we're 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:28.720 so disaggregated in Congress, and as a Democratic Party is 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:32.560 so disaggregated, you have white people there in the Democratic Party. 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:35.240