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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Monday, November the seventeenth, and

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Speaker 1: the man who jumped the barricade and rushed Ariana Grande

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Speaker 1: and her movie star co stars, well, he has now

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Speaker 1: been sentenced to nine days in jail. Question is is

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Speaker 1: that enough? With that? Welcome to this episode of Amy

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Speaker 1: and TJ Robes. This was a scary scene. Nobody got hurt,

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Speaker 1: and by all accounts, he didn't mean anybody harm, but

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Speaker 1: this video went everywhere and this was terrifying.

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Speaker 2: It was especially in this day and age. You don't

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Speaker 2: know what somebody has in their hands. You don't know

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Speaker 2: if it's meant to just be a prank on social

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Speaker 2: media or if someone means you harm. And clearly, when

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Speaker 2: you watch this video, Ariana Grande's face tells you everything

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Speaker 2: you need to know. She is scared to death and

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Speaker 2: she has reason to be scared. She has lived through

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Speaker 2: one of the worst terror attacks I think any artist

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Speaker 2: can imagine, having lived through at her concert in Manchester

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Speaker 2: stuff for years ago. Twenty seventeen, twenty two people died

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Speaker 2: with the terror attack at her concert.

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Speaker 1: She lives with that.

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Speaker 2: She probably, I mean, she's spoken about her PTSD from that,

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Speaker 2: so can you imagine now already being afraid of being

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Speaker 2: out in public and having this happened to you on

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Speaker 2: the red carpet.

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Speaker 1: So always, so this was not a consideration of this

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Speaker 1: young man. And I say young man, he is twenty

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Speaker 1: six years old. He did go to and he did

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Speaker 1: have a mini trial, if you will. She showed up

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Speaker 1: in court and he did plead guilty to being a

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Speaker 1: public nuisance essentially, and he was sent us to nine

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Speaker 1: days in jail. Now, the young man did tell the judge,

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Speaker 1: according to reports there, that he wouldn't do this again.

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Speaker 1: Judging on his history, it doesn't seem like Robes that

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Speaker 1: would be the case, because he has as terrifying as

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Speaker 1: this moment we described might have been for Ariana Grande.

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Speaker 1: What we're talking about here is a young man who

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Speaker 1: thinks this is fun, funny, and has made a sport

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Speaker 1: in unsuspecting moments they're expecting to be safe on stage

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Speaker 1: on a red carpet. And he's rushed the stage or

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Speaker 1: the red carpet on several occasions.

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Speaker 2: And then gleefully posts it online. In fact, you can

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Speaker 2: see him at the end of this video clapping and

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Speaker 2: celebrating that he was able to get actually to touch

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Speaker 2: Ariana Grande. He is celebrating what he just did and

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Speaker 2: clearly then posted online to then hopefully get hearts and

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Speaker 2: several people are extremely upset with him after this one.

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Speaker 1: This is moronic and it's I don't know how to

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Speaker 1: be supportive, right, I'm always you know me Rove. I

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Speaker 1: want to hear both sides. I want to hear from

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Speaker 1: someone else. I just don't imagine where this could ever

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Speaker 1: be something anyone could explain or anyone in the wider

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Speaker 1: population could endorse what he's doing. His name, I'll give

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Speaker 1: his name. I won't give his Instagram handles, but his

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Speaker 1: name is Johnson. Excuse me Johnson when he's a twenty

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Speaker 1: six year old Australian and he does operate this Instagram

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Speaker 1: handle and where we have seen at least Katy Perry,

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Speaker 1: he has posted the weekend chain smokers he has gotten

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Speaker 1: on their stages robes during these concerts. I am a

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Speaker 1: little surprised at some of the reactions of security. I

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Speaker 1: wonder what they are legally able to do. But in

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Speaker 1: the case of the red carpet. This one was in Singapore.

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Speaker 1: This was last Thursday premiere of Wicket for Good, the

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Speaker 1: second installment of the Wicked movies that are coming out.

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Speaker 1: I was shocked at how kid glovey they were with him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost because he wasn't some big, imposing, scary

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Speaker 1: A fan kid.

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Speaker 2: Okay, he doesn't appear to be menacing, doesn't have he's

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Speaker 1: And you and I talked about this once we saw

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Speaker 1: the video from what he did in Singapore with Ariana

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Speaker 1: Grande and her co stars. When I go back and

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Speaker 1: Katy Perry or the weekend. The weekend, especially the security

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Speaker 1: give those guys a good jolt. This guy gets none

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Speaker 2: It's bizarre to me. Look, the only thing that maybe

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Speaker 2: it perhaps should be like with security. When you and

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Speaker 2: I were at Good Morning America, we would often go

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Speaker 1: In fact, I never had.

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Speaker 2: A scary moment once, and we were out there quite

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Speaker 2: so anything can happen any and there are plenty of

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Speaker 2: people out there who have been up all night and

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Speaker 2: I always felt safe going out there, knowing anything could happen.

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Speaker 1: You make it okay now that I didn't think about

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Speaker 1: what you're saying, But now it seems even more egregious

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and I'm desperate not to criticized security.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what they go through and what their

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Speaker 1: rules are. I mean, for the most part of Ariana

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Speaker 1: there to do harm. Is that in the back of

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Speaker 1: their minds when this happens. I don't know, but Cynthia

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Speaker 1: Arrivo should not be the primary defender of Ariana Grande. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: this guy ran from a distance. You had time to

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Speaker 1: see him coming, yes, did you not without a doubt.

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Speaker 1: And it still took a beat. It took a moment

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Speaker 1: before Cynthia or Revo was no longer the primary defender

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Speaker 1: of Ariana Grande. We applaud Cynthia without criticizing her. I've

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Speaker 1: just it feels so bizarre and uncomfortable with My question

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Speaker 1: seen I mean deadly force, how can you bloody him?

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Speaker 1: Can you just restrain him? What are they allowed to do?

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Speaker 1: Because I argue it was not.

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Speaker 2: Enough exactly, So I would first of all, I would

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Speaker 2: say the job of security is to anticipate this sort

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Speaker 2: of thing and stop it before there's contact. Period. That

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Speaker 2: clearly did not happen, and thank god it was a prank.

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Speaker 2: Thank god it was a joke and for fun. If

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Speaker 2: would be a very different podcast that we'd be having.

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Speaker 1: Right, it was a successful attack. If he wanted to

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Speaker 1: do harm to any star of that movie, if he had,

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Speaker 1: God forbid, if he had a gun, he had a knife,

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Speaker 2: Hund And like you said, there was a runway like

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Speaker 2: he had to run. There was time for them. They

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Speaker 2: looking to the side. Nobody was looking ahead. Obviously, that's

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Speaker 2: a clear problem that they're going to have to fix up.

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Speaker 2: And my god, I hope they're having a mortem Monday

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Speaker 2: morning quarterbacking session where if I'm Ariana Grande, I'm having

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Speaker 2: serious talks. Because also someone who's also been involved in

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Speaker 2: even be more sensitivity to the fact that she is

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Speaker 2: does have a fear of public spaces, she does suffer

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Speaker 2: from PTSD, with what she's been through, that there'd be

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Speaker 2: an extra eye or an extra level of concern or care.

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Speaker 2: But in terms did you asked what I think? I

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Speaker 2: don't know what the legal response is or what you

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Speaker 2: is touching my client, who I am being paid to

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Speaker 2: protect from being touched and harmed or in any way impeded,

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Speaker 2: I think you could take that dude down to the

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Speaker 2: ground period. You don't know what his intentions are.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm getting it mixed up now because this guy,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I think I got it right. He

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Speaker 1: rushed this premiere twice. I think he was only caught, right,

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Speaker 1: He was only caught after the second incident, the one

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I have the question, if you don't look menacing,

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Speaker 2: different level of once overs. And probably he wasn't considered

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Speaker 1: I am. Look, we saw this and it went viral

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Speaker 1: and what happened to Ariana Grande was I say what

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Speaker 1: There were families that were forever changed, twenty two people

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Speaker 1: I mean, she credits some people with saving her life

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Speaker 1: but an Instagram post. That is disgusting, that part of it.

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Speaker 1: And I know maybe he doesn't even realize what he

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Speaker 1: is egregious already, but given her history, it's especially unkind.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Poor And look, we've had the pleasure of meeting her,

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Speaker 2: and we love her brother, Frankie, who's been amazing and

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Speaker 2: sweet young woman. She really is She's a sweet young woman.

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Speaker 2: She doesn't deserve this. And I actually hated the caption

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Speaker 2: Dear Ariana Grande, thank you for letting me jump on

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Speaker 2: the yellow carpet with you. She did not let him,

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Speaker 2: and that's patronizing to thank her for something she would

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Speaker 2: never have condoned.

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Speaker 1: Obviously she she did and didn't know who this guy

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Speaker 1: these artists did welcome him and did allow him to

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Speaker 1: come up. But that's not the case. But he, for

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Speaker 1: whatever reason, likes to say thank you Katie Perry for

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Speaker 1: allowing me. Thank you changed smokers for a long and

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Speaker 1: he thinks that's funny.

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Speaker 2: Do I have this right? Is this the first time

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Speaker 2: he's actually been arrested? Is this the first time he's

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Speaker 2: actually been held accountable? Is this the first time he's

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Speaker 1: Only one we've seen reported so far? Yes, what should

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Speaker 1: that punishment be Stay here, folks, we're going to try

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Speaker 1: to answer that question. Nine days okay, fine, sure, but

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Speaker 1: maybe you could argue nobody got hurt, it was a prank,

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Speaker 1: it should be less. Or you could argue he just

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Speaker 1: traumatized Ariana Grande all over again. Nine days ain't gonna

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Speaker 1: cut it. Stay here, all right, folks, We continue now,

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Speaker 1: nine days is enough? Is that enough? Nine days robes

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Speaker 1: for a quote unquote harmless prank? I say harmless in

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Speaker 1: that no harm was done, in that nobody was hurt,

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Speaker 1: nobody was injured there with, nobody died, there was no attack,

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Speaker 1: somebody just doing something silly. This guy jumps the barricade, excitedly,

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Speaker 1: going towards the stars, movie stars, what's the big deal? Rope?

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Speaker 1: So he gets nine days, and a lot of people

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Speaker 1: would look at that, and we're pressured that he needs

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Speaker 1: to get something. So nine days. How's that sit with you?

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Speaker 2: So here's what I think, given all that we know

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Speaker 2: about him, his past and certainly Ariana Grande's past, I

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Speaker 2: think it should have been more. But I do appreciate

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Speaker 2: the fact that at least he got something. I do

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Speaker 2: think that if he suffers no consequences as he has

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Speaker 2: up until this. Now he's just gonna up until now.

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Speaker 2: He's going to just keep on doing this. He's not

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Speaker 2: going to acknowledge, he's not going to be forced to

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Speaker 2: acknowledge that there is harm in what he's doing. And

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Speaker 2: there is the potential for actual danger and violence to

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Speaker 2: ensue because of what he's doing, because you can catch

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Speaker 2: somebody off guard, you can scare a star or a

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Speaker 2: security guard or a star's co star into doing something violent.

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Speaker 2: There is no place for this, there's no space for this.

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Speaker 2: This isn't funny. And I do appreciate the judge what

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Speaker 2: the judge said to this young man. Judge Go said

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Speaker 2: that he wanted to send a signal not just to him,

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Speaker 2: not just to when, but to like minded individuals that

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Speaker 2: we will not condone any act that undermines the reputation

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Speaker 2: of Singapore as a safe country. I appreciate the fact

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Speaker 2: that that was top of his mind, and he said,

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Speaker 2: you should be mindful that there are always consequences for

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Speaker 1: He traumatizes girl, I mean, when you stop, take us longer,

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Speaker 1: obviously remember. But maybe he didn't remember, and maybe he

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have cared. But that's horrific what he did to

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Speaker 1: the young lady, and we could see it on her

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Speaker 1: face what happened. And again Cynthia or Revo made this story.

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Speaker 1: I guess this is another you know, always looking for

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Speaker 1: a silver lining, and we've said for the past few days, man,

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Speaker 1: everybody should get you a friend. Make sure you got

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Speaker 1: a friend like Cynthia or Rivo, who did not hesitate

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Speaker 1: to just react, to respond and quite frankly, not knowing

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Speaker 1: what was there. She was putting herself in danger, not

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Speaker 1: knowing what was happening. So we do applaud that, and

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Speaker 1: look applaud Singapore for what they did make an example.

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Speaker 1: There's already reports out there. This kid has already said

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Speaker 1: he plans to keep doing this no matter what does happen.

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Speaker 1: I probably would believe that. We'll see if he gets

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Speaker 1: charged with anything down the road, But I don't know

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Speaker 1: the benefit the upside. What it is. He doesn't have

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Speaker 1: that many followers. He doesn't so it's not like this

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Speaker 1: is a huge money making adventure.

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Speaker 2: I was surprised I did, and actually I was impressed.

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Speaker 2: I loved this about Ariana Grande fans. I'm assuming people

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Speaker 2: I'm sure have checked out his Instagram page. It doesn't

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Speaker 2: take that long, it's not that hard to find it.

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Speaker 2: But I was surprised and how few followers he had,

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Speaker 2: given the attention this has gotten, how few likes he's

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Speaker 2: gotten on the post, given the attention this has received,

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Speaker 2: And that just speaks volumes to the fact that I

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Speaker 2: get it. Her followers, her fans, people who love her

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Speaker 2: and don't like what he did. They know their best

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Speaker 2: way of impacting him, or having an impact in general

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Speaker 2: is to ignore him, to not follow him, to not

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Speaker 2: like And even the people who had did put comments,

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Speaker 2: they were basically things like, shame on you, how dare

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Speaker 2: you this poor girl? Leave people alone? And if it's

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Speaker 2: true that he is already acknowledged, because he's in jail

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Speaker 2: right now as we're recording this, still nine days, he's

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Speaker 2: in the middle of his nine day sentence. But he

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Speaker 2: sat there on this video conference call with this judge

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Speaker 2: and said, I will not do this again. You know

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Speaker 2: your honor, and this will be the last time. If

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Speaker 2: he goes and does it again, I certainly hope. I

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Speaker 2: certainly hope wherever he does it, wherever, whatever country he's in,

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Speaker 2: I hope they throw the book at him like and

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Speaker 2: I hope he never does again. I hope he's learned

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Speaker 2: his lesson.

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Speaker 1: What can you do? I think how big of a

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Speaker 1: new Whatever the charge is in the US, what would

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Speaker 1: it be right harassment?

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Speaker 2: You could say attempted assault or assault even I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure exactly, but I'm sure there are ways there could be.

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Speaker 2: There could be some sort of charge that would keep

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Speaker 2: him behind bars longer.

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Speaker 1: I would have been.

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Speaker 2: It would have been so nice had we heard from

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Speaker 2: him in that hearing saying I'm sorry, I deeply apologize

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Speaker 2: for what I did.

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Speaker 1: I get it is what nat I would like to

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Speaker 1: know that he gets what he did. I know who

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Speaker 1: knows how this guy is built, and even negative attention.

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Speaker 1: Some people appreciate as long as they're getting attention. I

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Speaker 1: don't know who he is, how he's built, and why

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Speaker 1: he does this, But this is what he did to somebody.

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Speaker 1: It went beyond a prank, a joke or even scaring someone.

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Speaker 1: This is traumatizing for this particular individual. That's tough. But

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Speaker 1: applaud Singapore for what they did. We'll keep an eye

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Speaker 1: on this and see, uh, I guess you got what

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Speaker 1: eight days left? We'll check my in a week and

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Speaker 1: a half and see where he's shown up. But folks,

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Speaker 1: as always appreciate you spending some time here with us. TJ.

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Speaker 1: Holmes On behalf of my dear and me Robock. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you ell soon