Speaker 1: In today's episode of Tickets to the Draft, We've got
Speaker 1: the skill guys, the playmakers, the running backs, the wide receivers.
Speaker 1: You've got record breaking forties, we've got aliens, six to
Speaker 1: seven wide receivers. We've got receivers pretending to be horses
Speaker 1: out there. Man, it was wild. We got quarterbacks Adrian McCarthy,
Speaker 1: Bowe Nicks, Michael Pennix Junior, and the quarterback boards are shuffling.
Speaker 1: That all starts right out. Welcome on into the Tickets
Speaker 1: and Draft Podcast presented by Sea Geek, the official primary
Speaker 1: ticketing partner of the Washington Commanders. I'm Logan Paulson here
Speaker 1: with Jessic Guy Jason, and we are just finishing up
Speaker 1: Day three of the combine receivers, running backs, and quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: And it was a marathon of a day, but a
Speaker 1: lot of fun because these are the guys, are the
Speaker 1: playmakers in this year's draft class.
Speaker 2: This is the best day of the combine. Thanks to
Speaker 2: Sea Geek, we had the best seat in the house
Speaker 2: right well, we really did. We had a good time.
Speaker 2: You were getting up with your exercise bands and working
Speaker 2: out halfway through because it's a lot of I mean,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of guys to watch here, But man,
Speaker 2: is it fun watching these guys do their drills, watching
Speaker 2: these quarterbacks spin it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, And again, the the top top guys didn't participate, right,
Speaker 1: so who are they? They're Caleb Williams, Jane Daniels, Drake
Speaker 1: May didn't do anything.
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Marvin Harrison Junior, the leak Neighbors didn't participate. But
Speaker 1: I think with the quarterbacks that second tier guys is
Speaker 1: really fun. Specifically JJ McCarthy man, like, he's so interesting
Speaker 1: watching his film, watching him throw today. And then honestly,
Speaker 1: like people talk about Malik Neighbors not not participating, Marvin
Speaker 1: Harrison Junior not participating, I mean it was great to
Speaker 1: watch Brian Thomas Jr. And romadonsay, Man, he is a
Speaker 1: special prospect, you know.
Speaker 2: And so that wide receiver group is special, right. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of really good players here, and when we
Speaker 2: break them down, we're gonna do running backs, then wide
Speaker 2: receivers in quarterbacks. When we break down the wide receivers,
Speaker 2: like we're gonna we're gonna nitpick yep, because you're all
Speaker 2: really good. So I just want our listeners to keep
Speaker 2: that in mind. When we're looking at, like what differentiates
Speaker 2: this guy from this guy? When we get through the
Speaker 2: ride receiver group, it's going to be it's going to
Speaker 2: be the smallest details. They're all very good.
Speaker 1: They're all very good, and if you disagree, please leave
Speaker 1: a comment. You know, Like again, we're trying to flesh
Speaker 1: out all of our evaluations and if you guys see
Speaker 1: something different, we'd love to talk to you about it,
Speaker 1: So make sure you leave a comment.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. Now a group that may not have as
Speaker 2: many top end of the drafts players is the running backs.
Speaker 2: Now why do you think that is with this class specifically?
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, like there's just not that guy,
Speaker 1: you know, like last year there was the Jamir Gibbs,
Speaker 1: there was the guy drafted by Atlanta, J John Robinson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think they were special and I think, you know,
Speaker 1: when the drill work and the testing. Obviously v John
Speaker 1: didn't kill the testing the way a lot of people thought,
Speaker 1: but Gibbs ran a four three and six four three eight,
Speaker 1: and just the bagwork, the dexterity of movement, the way
Speaker 1: they caught the football was just different. And they kind
Speaker 1: of fall in that offensive playmaker category and I think
Speaker 1: what you'll find with the NFL and at the NFL
Speaker 1: devalues running backs. The value tight ends the values linebackers
Speaker 1: to a certain extent. But when you find a special
Speaker 1: prospect in that group, you're going to get bumped up
Speaker 1: into the first round. And So while I think there
Speaker 1: are guys that are, you know, I think, very very talented,
Speaker 1: like I'm not, I think they're very good running backs,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's that game changer at the position.
Speaker 1: And when you talk to guys scouts and coaches at
Speaker 1: the combine, you know, we go out every night and
Speaker 1: talk to people, one of the things they always say is,
Speaker 1: like running back value, you want to pick a running
Speaker 1: back in the third round, Like that's where the value is.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of these guys are guys
Speaker 1: that fit that billing, that are good football players and
Speaker 1: add value because they have a kind of a specific
Speaker 1: superpower that they bring to the table.
Speaker 2: Right where Washington got Brian Robinson as an example, is
Speaker 2: a third round pretty good talent there.
Speaker 1: Antonio Gibson too, right, Yeah, and that's.
Speaker 2: Been a trend, yeah, Like it used to be teams
Speaker 2: taking running backs in the top five, right, And definitely
Speaker 2: in the first round that was very valued. Now it's
Speaker 2: not that running backs aren't valued for a team, of
Speaker 2: course he are, but it's like you can find later
Speaker 2: value with running backs. So it started to it's just
Speaker 2: a trend in the NFL. Well, wide receivers flying up right,
Speaker 2: we could see a lot of these wide receivers going
Speaker 2: in the first round.
Speaker 1: And I think a big reason for that with the
Speaker 1: receivers specifically, and we're going to talk about them more
Speaker 1: detail in a second is there's a lot of those
Speaker 1: dynamic playmakers in that group, a lot of them. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's probably eight guys going to go on the first round.
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of guys in the second round where
Speaker 1: you say, man, this guy in last year's class, like
Speaker 1: this is going to sound crazy, but you know, Johnny
Speaker 1: Wilson is probably the first receiver taken in last year's
Speaker 1: draft class, Like that's how bad last year's draft class was.
Speaker 1: And this year he's probably the twelfth, fifteenth guy on
Speaker 1: the list. So yeah, I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: that going on here in terms of it's just a
Speaker 1: saturated class with dudes that can make plays on the
Speaker 1: football and make your offense significantly more explosive with with
Speaker 1: one pick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also the way that they that the league
Speaker 2: is moving, right, they're moving to the more pass catchers, right,
Speaker 2: the more pass heavy offense. Excuse me, and you want
Speaker 2: more dynamic playmakers. You don't just want one guy, you
Speaker 2: want two guys, maybe even three guys in your wide
Speaker 2: receiver room that are weapons that other teams need the
Speaker 2: game plan floor for, and that includes now running backs. Right,
Speaker 2: running backs are becoming more and more and more a
Speaker 2: part of that passing game. And we saw it here
Speaker 2: with the Commanders with Brian Robinson this last offseason. So
Speaker 2: before last season started catching the ball a lot in
Speaker 2: training camp, right caught the ball a lot more in
Speaker 2: season than he did the year before. So we're starting
Speaker 2: to see pass catching is important with running back. So
Speaker 2: let's go to the running backs here, the first to
Speaker 2: go today, and let's talk about some of the guys
Speaker 2: that kind of showed that pure running back ability and
Speaker 2: then what that means for them if they're not pass catchers. First.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think I think it's important that when
Speaker 1: we're talking about the running back group today is talking
Speaker 1: about the two guys I think probably like one the
Speaker 1: combine Isaac Gwendero from Louisville was a guy that absolutely,
Speaker 1: I mean absolutely murdered the combine a testing standboint. Like
Speaker 1: his numbers are kind of unbelievable. He ran a four
Speaker 1: to three at six foot two hundred twenty one pounds.
Speaker 1: He had a forty one and a half inch vertical
Speaker 1: jump and a ten to nine broad So crazy explosive athlete.
Speaker 1: And when you watch the film at Louisville, he kind
Speaker 1: of falls in that traditional runner bucket a little bit.
Speaker 1: He kind of reminds me a little bit of Breese
Speaker 1: Haall on how they used him at Iowa State, And
Speaker 1: what I mean by that is they ran a lot
Speaker 1: of kind of inside zone runs and he never really
Speaker 1: got to be like that playmaker. But I do think
Speaker 1: at the NFL level, because of that speed, because of
Speaker 1: those explosive measurements, when you go back and watch his film,
Speaker 1: you see that even on the inside zone stuff where
Speaker 1: he gets some air and some grass, he's able to
Speaker 1: create explosive plays. And I think even though he kind
Speaker 1: of falls in that traditional runner bucket a little bit more,
Speaker 1: he still catches the ball pretty well. And I think
Speaker 1: that's the thing you see with this running back class.
Speaker 1: That's unique, and I think it's kind of this kind
Speaker 1: of mirrors this trend you're talking about with offenses getting
Speaker 1: more pass centric. Even guys that are kind of traditional
Speaker 1: runners catch the football naturally. Actually then runners. Did you
Speaker 1: know ten years ago when I was playing, and so
Speaker 1: he's a guy I wanted to give a shout out to.
Speaker 1: And also Jalen Right from Tennessee, you know not didn't
Speaker 1: wasn't used in the past game at Tennessee, but he
Speaker 1: ran a four to three eight today, had the fastest
Speaker 1: miles per hour for a five yard split of any
Speaker 1: running back over the last three years at the combine.
Speaker 1: So very dynamic, explosive guy. He led the nation in
Speaker 1: explosive rushes last year for the Tennessee Volunteers. So he's
Speaker 1: five to eleven, he's two hundred and ten pounds, but
Speaker 1: has this explosive skill set. So again, not a true
Speaker 1: pass catcher necessarily. But I think when you're a scout
Speaker 1: and you look at this, you say, hey, man, like this, dude,
Speaker 1: these guys are kind of falling that falling that weapons
Speaker 1: category because speed kills. I think you just have to
Speaker 1: look at Miami and how they've addressed the running back position.
Speaker 1: Maybe not a h and I think was unique and
Speaker 1: that he was a very skilled playmaker and runner. But
Speaker 1: moster a is a guy that I think fits this
Speaker 1: gold He's got explosive qualities and they've built an offense
Speaker 1: around what he does well. And I think you could
Speaker 1: do that with both of these guys.
Speaker 2: What are some other guys that stuck out? Those were
Speaker 2: the speachers who was rid of two fastest times for
Speaker 2: the running backs that ran the four free three for
Speaker 2: Isaac in the four three eight for Jalen. What are
Speaker 2: some of the other guys that stuck out to you?
Speaker 2: And why if they're not, is it because they blended
Speaker 2: well with rushing and passing or talk to me about
Speaker 2: those guys first and we'll lean to more of the
Speaker 2: pass catching back.
Speaker 1: Sure, so I think, yeah, Like there's like Ray Davis
Speaker 1: is the guy from Kentucky who's just at every step
Speaker 1: of the His film's good. His senior ball was very solid,
Speaker 1: His combine performance was very solid. He ran a four
Speaker 1: to four, which is faster than I thought he would run.
Speaker 1: But got that natural vision like when they do the
Speaker 1: bag drills. He doesn't get flummixed like when they have
Speaker 1: to read the bag. His feet are always under him.
Speaker 1: He's kind of this bowling ball build. I think he
Speaker 1: does catch the ball again, does catch the ball better,
Speaker 1: but it's more of a traditional worker back. But I
Speaker 1: think today he got the show that he catched the ball.
Speaker 1: Not He's not Dylan Laub or any of these guys
Speaker 1: that are like almost receivers in terms of how they
Speaker 1: catch the ball, but very skilled. Kamani val Valdall excuse me,
Speaker 1: another guy that is a traditional runner. And again you
Speaker 1: see he ran a four to four to seven. Awesome
Speaker 1: for him, kind of showing that explosive measurement, but good vision,
Speaker 1: good power, good contact balance, but more of a traditional back.
Speaker 1: You know. Brandon Allen, the guy from Wisconsin, didn't run
Speaker 1: his forty today, but in the bag drills you see
Speaker 1: his tremendous size. He's sixty three, he's two fifty. He
Speaker 1: runs pretty well, he moves pretty well. I think he
Speaker 1: catches the ball, okay, because he had to do that
Speaker 1: last year at Wisconsin. They're getting away from their traditional
Speaker 1: power running stuff. But in my mind, in the way,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of scouts look at him a
Speaker 1: traditional runner, right, and I think that's where those guys
Speaker 1: stood out to me as having unique skill sets. But
Speaker 1: I'm also like, I think it's interesting that even though
Speaker 1: they are kind of these traditional runners, they aren't liabilities
Speaker 1: in the past game and they were able to show
Speaker 1: that today. So guys that stuck out to me again
Speaker 1: because they I think they tested pretty solid, but also
Speaker 1: their field work was good, and I think one of
Speaker 1: the things, like with Brandon Allen, for example, he didn't
Speaker 1: test he had two drops today, But the thing that
Speaker 1: I liked about him is how he moved. There wasn't
Speaker 1: a lot of tightness in how he moved. He's just
Speaker 1: a big, kind of flexible guy, and I think that
Speaker 1: there's a role for him at the next level, where
Speaker 1: prior to today, I was a little bit concerned about
Speaker 1: him just being too stiff and too big, and I
Speaker 1: think all those guys kind of were in that bucket
Speaker 1: and they all showed, hey, I can do something more
Speaker 1: than just pound between the tackles.
Speaker 2: Basically, let's talk about Marshall Lloyd from USC because he
Speaker 2: might be the first running back off the board whenever
Speaker 2: that is. It looks like he's trending to be that way, okay,
Speaker 2: and he has good film. He did very well at
Speaker 2: the senior role. The knock on him, or one of
Speaker 2: the knocks on him is yeah, but he played with
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams, so there's not he's not running in the
Speaker 2: boxes eight man boxes because they respect Caleb so much,
Speaker 2: they're backing out. He runs a lot out of the shotgun,
Speaker 2: which may be a good thing these days there's a
Speaker 2: lot of running out of the shotgun in the NFL.
Speaker 2: But that used to be a knock, right, is that
Speaker 2: he wasn't getting in that behind when the quarterback was
Speaker 2: under center and running from behind that. So what about
Speaker 2: him stood out today or were you like, you know,
Speaker 2: some of these concerns that I'm seeing that people are
Speaker 2: talking about because I'm playing with Caleb Williams starting to
Speaker 2: see which way did you go today?
Speaker 1: So every again, he's a guy that I liked his film,
Speaker 1: and again when you mentioned it, when you watch his film,
Speaker 1: they're running into a lot of five man boxes, right,
Speaker 1: He's got very favorable numbers. But I think at the
Speaker 1: Senior Ball you just see a guy who's a good
Speaker 1: football player, you know, I think he catches the ball
Speaker 1: better than people think. At the Senior Bowl, got a
Speaker 1: bunch of wheel routes. I think looked very in control
Speaker 1: catching the football here today. And I think he's got
Speaker 1: the size. I think he's six six footish two hundred
Speaker 1: and seventeen pounds, and he's got the violent running style,
Speaker 1: you like, he wants to finish runs and he's got
Speaker 1: an aggressive kind of who's the running back for Kansas
Speaker 1: City with it runs so hard?
Speaker 2: Check out?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's got a little bit of that to
Speaker 1: his running style, and I think and I think he
Speaker 1: also catches the football well, So I think, to me,
Speaker 1: he that's why I think he's going to be one
Speaker 1: of the first backs because he's not super flash, but
Speaker 1: he's super consistent and I think that's something that I value.
Speaker 1: And every step of the process. Film was consistent, Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl was consistent, combine performance was consistent, and they're to me,
Speaker 1: as an evaluator of talent, there's value in the guys
Speaker 1: that just come to each event and are like, hey,
Speaker 1: you want me to run routes with the receivers, because
Speaker 1: he did do that after he stayed and did like
Speaker 1: receiver route tree, which I don't think of him as
Speaker 1: but I like that he's willing to try that. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I like the he was able to show off his
Speaker 1: hands in that way. But he's a guy that, again
Speaker 1: just every stage of the process, does a great job.
Speaker 1: Not super flashy, but I could see a team taking
Speaker 1: a shot on him late in the second round, earlier
Speaker 1: in the third.
Speaker 2: And guys that stood around to run some of those
Speaker 2: receiver routes to show scouts that they can do. That
Speaker 2: was a Dylan Woub from New Hampshire. Ye, let's talk
Speaker 2: about him a little bit because he's interesting with this group.
Speaker 1: He's very interesting with this group because I think one
Speaker 1: of the things about his film he runs like in
Speaker 1: this kind of shotgun spread offense and not the most
Speaker 1: dynamic runner. And what I mean by that is he's fast,
Speaker 1: he's powerful, but he just doesn't have a lot of
Speaker 1: shake in the hole, and then all of that kind
Speaker 1: of goes away when he gets They line him up
Speaker 1: in the slot quite a bit on linebackers, and he
Speaker 1: runs a tremendous route tree and so it's almost like
Speaker 1: he's a slot receiver that moonlights as a running back.
Speaker 1: So I do think that that's something you know, very
Speaker 1: not he's not this player, obviously, but very Christian McCaffrey
Speaker 1: ask in terms of his ability to kind of line
Speaker 1: up and run like a traditional route tree, like a
Speaker 1: slot receiver, I think he's a little too stiff for
Speaker 1: some of that. But in terms of his ability to
Speaker 1: run a choice route, to run a deep post from outside,
Speaker 1: like he's got that in his bag, and I think
Speaker 1: he kind of represents the direction the position is going.
Speaker 1: And I could see a team definitely taking a flyer
Speaker 1: on him as a guy, a developmental punt return, special
Speaker 1: teams type, guy that could be kind of a Danny
Speaker 1: Woodhead at some point for them. A guy that runs
Speaker 1: well in between the tackles, but also and find those
Speaker 1: matchups win on a choice route, running an option route,
Speaker 1: much like an Edelman or an Amondola would kind of
Speaker 1: that similar body type. And again, if you can find
Speaker 1: players that can create matchups through personnel like he can,
Speaker 1: I believe you feel pretty good about it.
Speaker 2: So, speaking of guys that catch the ball, yep, let's
Speaker 2: move on to the wide receivers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, cool, let's do it all right. There a
Speaker 1: lot of guys to talk about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot. So let's talk about the big dogs.
Speaker 2: The big dogs, the ones that everybody's heard their names.
Speaker 2: One hundred times. But there's a reason. Yeah, And boy
Speaker 2: did they remind you why they're the ones that you
Speaker 2: talk about all the time at the combine because they
Speaker 2: look good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna I'm gonna say, why don't we start
Speaker 2: with one of the best names in the combine right now?
Speaker 2: Roma Donza.
Speaker 1: D It's a great name, what a name, but it's
Speaker 1: a great wide receive. So first off, everyone knew that
Speaker 1: he was going to come in and he wasn't going
Speaker 1: to light the world on fire from a forty standpoint,
Speaker 1: but he took care of business. He ran a four
Speaker 1: to four great job. Check that box. Explosive measurements good,
Speaker 1: check that box. And the thing that just kind of
Speaker 1: sealed the deal for me and him, obviously his film
Speaker 1: was outstanding is when he ran routes. So he was
Speaker 1: in the second group, and so we got to see
Speaker 1: everybody run, they're slipping their phone, they can't on the
Speaker 1: same page with the receivers, and I just felt like
Speaker 1: every route that he ran, he's able to sink his hips,
Speaker 1: he's under control, he's underbalance, he's getting out quickly, he's
Speaker 1: catching with his hands, and I just thought that is
Speaker 1: what a first round potentially top five player at the position,
Speaker 1: no potentially top five player in the draft. Looks like
Speaker 1: just came in and just checked every question mark off
Speaker 1: for me, and I was like, that's exactly what we
Speaker 1: want to see from a potential top five pick. So
Speaker 1: he had a great combine in my opinion, I think
Speaker 1: he got a little tired near the end of the
Speaker 1: on field stuff because we'll talk about the quarterbacks here
Speaker 1: in a minute, but they were really helping him out.
Speaker 1: But I thought his consistency in the in the gauntlet
Speaker 1: drill is consistently, it's consistently with the route tree, and
Speaker 1: it's just his route running fundamentals like his ability to
Speaker 1: run the comeback, the curl, the deep dig. All that
Speaker 1: stuff was on full display. And that just gets me
Speaker 1: fired up because to me, one of the hardest routes
Speaker 1: for big receivers to run is that is that fifteen
Speaker 1: to twenty yard comeback, and he just made it look
Speaker 1: incredibly easy, and so I had no more questions, Like
Speaker 1: he was who he thought he was. He gets comped
Speaker 1: to Larry Fitzgerald. I think that's a very good comp
Speaker 1: He's not going to kill you with vertical speed, but
Speaker 1: he's a great contested catch guy. He runs excellent, his
Speaker 1: excellent route running fundamentals, and he just put that on
Speaker 1: display for us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he looked really smooth, really smooth for as big
Speaker 2: as he is, right, he just looks smooth. And speaking
Speaker 2: of guys that ran nice routes as well, Brian Thomas
Speaker 2: Junior from LSU, Yeah, the other LSU receiver.
Speaker 1: Not moleage neighbors obviously, and so he measured in at
Speaker 1: six y three I think two ten, So bigger guy obviously,
Speaker 1: and dropped a couple of balls. But one of the
Speaker 1: things that I had a question with with him coming
Speaker 1: in is I knew he was going to be fast,
Speaker 1: and I think he ran a four three five or
Speaker 1: four three four, So he was fast. But with fast guys,
Speaker 1: one of the questions you have is can they run
Speaker 1: a full route tree or can they run something resembling
Speaker 1: a full route tree. And so he did a great
Speaker 1: job with the gauntlet, very smooth, but he also ran
Speaker 1: the curl, the comeback, the dig and with good fundamentals,
Speaker 1: smooth in and out of his cuts, didn't get bogged
Speaker 1: down the way some of these other guys were going
Speaker 1: to talk about later. And I just felt like you know,
Speaker 1: he had a couple drops, and I'm with that they're
Speaker 1: probably going to be on Sports Center. But in terms
Speaker 1: of the things that he needed to answer for me
Speaker 1: as an evaluator, came in and ran fast. You're supposed
Speaker 1: to be fast, run fast, Jack, and can you run routes?
Speaker 1: I thought he ran excellent routes on air, and I
Speaker 1: thought he showed great route running fundamentals. So to me,
Speaker 1: I think he just knocked it out of the park
Speaker 1: and I think he jumped a lot of these other
Speaker 1: guys were going to talk about later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I want to bring up something with him
Speaker 2: real quick, because you're like, yeah, he dropped the ball whatever.
Speaker 2: But then we'll look at like tes Walker a deseniable
Speaker 2: and he's like, oh man, he's dropping the ball, so
Speaker 2: not a big deal. So wait, why are we That
Speaker 2: sounds hypocritical to us. Why are we saying one way
Speaker 2: and one the other? And I would say, real quick,
Speaker 2: and then you can give your reason why I would
Speaker 2: say that. A the film shows that he's very sure
Speaker 2: handed and beat not every ball thrown is created equal,
Speaker 2: and he was in a group where he had a
Speaker 2: couple of drops, a ball in him in the hand,
Speaker 2: it wasn't the best place ball, right. He had to
Speaker 2: contort his body to try to get it was behind
Speaker 2: him on his back hip something like that. And it's like, yes,
Speaker 2: he should be making these catches, but it wasn't. We're
Speaker 2: not talking about like this ball hit him right in
Speaker 2: the hands while he's running smoothing around. It wasn't a
Speaker 2: well thrown ball, right, whereas Tez Walker has shown it
Speaker 2: every now and then, that ball can be right there
Speaker 2: in the bread basket and it's and it hits his hands.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think you hit the nail on
Speaker 1: the head there. I think it's a film study thing.
Speaker 1: I think when you just look at the consistency of
Speaker 1: his film in terms of how he catches the football,
Speaker 1: I don't really have any issue with it.
Speaker 2: You know, like you're going to an anomaly we saw.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're going to be working with new quarterbacks, and
Speaker 1: we'll talk about that a lot, and the next group
Speaker 1: of receivers are going to talk about. But when you're
Speaker 1: working with new quarterbacks, the ball comes off the hand
Speaker 1: a little bit differently. And I think that was some
Speaker 1: of it, you know, And I think this is a
Speaker 1: I think it's important to acknowledge that this is an
Speaker 1: extremely stressful environment. You know, this is this is an
Speaker 1: opportunity to kind of be like, you know, like every
Speaker 1: drop means something. They can cascade, then they can become
Speaker 1: multiple drops. But again, the thing I wanted to see
Speaker 1: was foot speed, hip ability to sink your hips in
Speaker 1: and out of routes, and I thought he did a
Speaker 1: great job of that in a way that I was
Speaker 1: not expecting. And it makes you believe there's a foundation
Speaker 1: there for a true X receiver, which is ultimately what
Speaker 1: you're looking for when you're looking for kind of that
Speaker 1: stud playmaking guy that can line up on the ball
Speaker 1: versus man and man coverage and win for you.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and speaking of the studs, let's talk about
Speaker 2: liget behavior. Leget from why am I blanking South Carolina?
Speaker 2: So all the schools run together, all the names and
Speaker 2: schools run together. But he's not in the same category,
Speaker 2: I would say as the Romo dunes A certainly, or
Speaker 2: the Brian Thomas junior. He's like just outside of that,
Speaker 2: maybe like late first round, second round.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was like a second round player. And I
Speaker 1: think this is this is this is a guy that
Speaker 1: I just I kind of you just fall in love
Speaker 1: with a little bit because he just every everyone you
Speaker 1: talk to says he's a great kid. He works really hard,
Speaker 1: a little up and down at the Senior Bowl. And
Speaker 1: I also wanted to bring this up WHI we're talking
Speaker 1: about receivers because I think, thinking back on our Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl content, I don't know if we acknowledge this well enough,
Speaker 1: but it's the first time they're playing padded football in months,
Speaker 1: and they're working with new receivers and sometimes they get
Speaker 1: at a little out of whack. And I just honestly
Speaker 1: was blown away with him because at the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: we didn't get to see kind of his full repertoire
Speaker 1: of stuff. And he came out here. He didn't drop
Speaker 1: a ball, He ran really fast. He looked huge. I
Speaker 1: think he was like two two twenty five.
Speaker 2: His legs look big.
Speaker 1: Like him and Lad mcconchney were standing next to each other,
Speaker 1: and they look like different species of human being.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're the same height, Like they're about the
Speaker 2: same height. Yeah, but he just get just looks bigger.
Speaker 2: I think, did you writ what did you write down?
Speaker 1: In you he's a horse, like I wrote down to
Speaker 1: see a horse question mark, Like he was standing next
Speaker 1: to Luke McCaffrey and they're exactly the same height, and
Speaker 1: they and Xavier just looks so much bigger than him,
Speaker 1: and and the other thing. I was just impressed with
Speaker 1: how he ran routes, the consistency with which he ran routes.
Speaker 1: Guys are slipping all over the place. He didn't slip
Speaker 1: one time his feet runder him. All these criticisms about
Speaker 1: him not being able to run routes, him not be
Speaker 1: able to sink his hips, him not be able to
Speaker 1: adjust the football in the air at a high level.
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't see any of that today.
Speaker 2: He didn't drop a single ball today, Yeah, which not
Speaker 2: that's uncommon, right as all these guys drop at least
Speaker 2: one ball, like whether it's in the gaullet or one
Speaker 2: of the roundtrees, because it's just a badly thrown ball.
Speaker 2: But not him. He made adjustments to it, he called it,
Speaker 2: he grabbed it, even on the bad balls.
Speaker 1: He was special today, absolutely, And there was a kind
Speaker 1: of an element of like what we talked about with
Speaker 1: quinnyon Mitchell, like it's not always perfect, but he's got
Speaker 1: so much horsepower out of his cuts, like the way
Speaker 1: he can close to a football is very special. Ran
Speaker 1: a four to three nine today, forty inch vertical, ten
Speaker 1: to six broad. You're just like he answered, he was
Speaker 1: supposed to be physical free. He was a physical freak.
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, I thought he showed
Speaker 1: a great technical acumen. So he's the guy that, to
Speaker 1: me like kind of falls in that top group today
Speaker 1: as as someone who sort of won the day, and
Speaker 1: I think deserves a lot of credit for whatever he's
Speaker 1: done between the Senior Bowl and now to get himself
Speaker 1: ready to go. Didn't look out of shape at all,
Speaker 1: looked totally fine. Some of the other guys get a
Speaker 1: little heavy legged as the day goes on. I just
Speaker 1: give him a ton of credit. Came out for one
Speaker 1: of the biggest shop interviews of his life, and I
Speaker 1: think he just, at least from the on field portion,
Speaker 1: just aced it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did a great job. Now let's move on
Speaker 2: to the wide receivers who were the just a steady
Speaker 2: at his studies. We knew what they were in film,
Speaker 2: which is good players, and they came out here to
Speaker 2: comment and said, Hey, guess what, we're good players. We're
Speaker 2: going to confirm that for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, Lad mcconchney was a guy that
Speaker 1: seener Bowl super steady here, very steady. I think there's
Speaker 1: some physicality issues that make you think, oh, like where
Speaker 1: does he actually fall? During the broadcast they made a
Speaker 1: comparison to Garrett Wilson physically from a height, weight, speed standpoint,
Speaker 1: They're very somewhere, but they have very different play styles
Speaker 1: but consistent route runner. Love to see that. Luke McCaffrey
Speaker 1: a guy that I think a lot of people have
Speaker 1: kind of pushed off, as you know, Christian McCaffrey's brother,
Speaker 1: all that kind of thing, like in the Gauntlet Drill.
Speaker 1: He reminded me of what Puka Nakua did in the
Speaker 1: Gauntlet Trill and when the whole point of the Gauntlet
Speaker 1: Trill is to run as fast as you can, not
Speaker 1: lose any speed, and stay on the ground.
Speaker 2: Don't jump when trying to catch the ball.
Speaker 1: And he did that at a very very high level.
Speaker 1: Jakwan Jackson from Tulane, No Tulsa from Tulsa, Tulsa.
Speaker 2: Jakwan Jackson, No, he's still ling too lane.
Speaker 1: Sorry, Yeah, I thought he just came out and showed
Speaker 1: that elite twitch that you wanted to see from him.
Speaker 1: He's a smaller guy five to ten two hundred is
Speaker 1: two hundred and five pounds, but snappy like Santana Moss,
Speaker 1: snappy in and out of his cuts. Was not always
Speaker 1: on the same page with the quarterback. Again, I don't
Speaker 1: give that as him, but the superpower you needed to
Speaker 1: see from him. He came out and showed you that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not as fast as Santanamo's. Just to get
Speaker 2: that clear. Yeah, about four two you're talking about the twitch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the twitch in and out of his cuts, his
Speaker 1: ability to like violently throw his feet into the ground
Speaker 1: and then not lose any speed coming out. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: we liked him at the Senior Bowl. I thought he
Speaker 1: came out, showed showed a very solid performance.
Speaker 2: He had a route today where his shoulders went over
Speaker 2: his feet correct right, and he kept his balance and
Speaker 2: popped up and cut violently the other direction. And you
Speaker 2: were like, that's really hard to do by having your
Speaker 2: shoulders go over your feet, maintain your balance and still gain.
Speaker 1: Speed, like really nerdy route running. People call it like
Speaker 1: a sense of false acceleration. And so what you do
Speaker 1: is you throw your chest forward as you're slowing down
Speaker 1: and it makes the DV think you're trying to run
Speaker 1: by them and it's and it's hard. It's hard to
Speaker 1: do that at a high level, and he showed that
Speaker 1: he could do it. And so that is someone you circle.
Speaker 1: You say, I don't know what his exact role is
Speaker 1: at the next level, punt returner, third fourth receiver that
Speaker 1: comes in man man situations, but that physical skill set
Speaker 1: was there, which is great to see. And then Brendan
Speaker 1: Rice from USC obviously Jerry Rice's son, just I think
Speaker 1: he ran well for how big he is, Like everyone
Speaker 1: was worried he was going to be slow. I think
Speaker 1: he ran a four was it a four to four
Speaker 1: seven something like that, ran well, jumped well, and then
Speaker 1: was just super consistent on the field like he was
Speaker 1: consistent at the Senior Bowl. He's consistent here and I
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: And I felt bad for him because he had a
Speaker 2: lot of bad balls, like uncatchable balls thre in his way.
Speaker 1: But is he in the first group or the second?
Speaker 2: He was in the second group. But even with that,
Speaker 2: and you could see his frustration a little bit. And
Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to speak for him. I
Speaker 2: don't know if his frustration was where how the balls
Speaker 2: were thrown or that he didn't catch them or whatever,
Speaker 2: but you could tell that, like it doesn't matter if
Speaker 2: I catched the ball or not. He was going out there.
Speaker 2: He was going to run the route the best he could,
Speaker 2: very very steady.
Speaker 1: Another guy that was in pretty good shape throughout the
Speaker 1: whole thing. A ton of routes and again, every time
Speaker 1: you drop the ball in these drills, they make you
Speaker 1: go again, and so you can get easily during these periods,
Speaker 1: which are about an hour and a half long, a
Speaker 1: thousand high speed yard cards, which is very, very taxing
Speaker 1: on the body, So kudos him. And then Jaylen Polk
Speaker 1: is a guy from you dub who I don't know
Speaker 1: what he is at the next level because he's got
Speaker 1: a little bit of stiffness, but never drops the ball,
Speaker 1: runs good routes and his film is awesome in terms
Speaker 1: of contested catchability. And he just came out and did
Speaker 1: that today, you know, on the field and in an
Speaker 1: environment where there's a lot of bad balls, where there's
Speaker 1: people missing throws, like he made the quarterback right a
Speaker 1: lot diving on the ground. There was one where they
Speaker 1: run like an inn to a high corner and he
Speaker 1: tracked the ball well and dove on the ground and
Speaker 1: Romo Dunze comes up to him and lifts him up,
Speaker 1: and everyone's jacked up. And so that that's the kind
Speaker 1: of player he is, and that's kup of energy that
Speaker 1: he brings, and.
Speaker 2: That's what you see in his film. He he's an
Speaker 2: alpha for that ball. He says, it's mine, I'm going
Speaker 2: to go get it. It's a little bit. He doesn't
Speaker 2: look like Terry McLaurin. I'm not going to say that,
Speaker 2: but when Terry goes to get those fifty to fifty balls,
Speaker 2: he has that like this is mine. Yeah, I'm the
Speaker 2: one that's coming down with it. That's what Polk looks like.
Speaker 1: And he's built a little bit different than Terry.
Speaker 2: He's different wider back, and.
Speaker 1: That physicality and the mentality. So those those guys for
Speaker 1: me are just like I think they're good football players.
Speaker 1: I think there are some physical limitations in some cases,
Speaker 1: you know, lads a little bit on the small side,
Speaker 1: pokes a little bit stiff, But I just in terms
Speaker 1: of the nuance of playing the position, I think they
Speaker 1: just do a great job with it.
Speaker 2: Let's not forget about Ricky pearsol.
Speaker 1: Oh, our guy Ricky Pets.
Speaker 2: Let's not forget he actually had four one.
Speaker 1: I know, but like he's he's a guy that you know,
Speaker 1: like you want to put him in the steady eddie,
Speaker 1: but I think it's he ran a four four one.
Speaker 1: He also had a forty one inch vertical. I think
Speaker 1: he had eleven foot broad jump and for a little
Speaker 1: for a guy that everyone thought was just kind of
Speaker 1: a slot receiver, those are explosive horsepower measurements that I
Speaker 1: would kind of think about even putting him into a
Speaker 1: winners category for the day, because not only did he
Speaker 1: test extremely well, he ran great routes like we thought
Speaker 1: he would, great change in direction. He's a little bit
Speaker 1: smaller upper body wise seeing him in person than I
Speaker 1: thought he would be, But I don't really care about
Speaker 1: that because he's a guy that's going to fit some
Speaker 1: type of role at the next level. And you know,
Speaker 1: if you're looking for a receiver that I would be
Speaker 1: ecstatic about playing here in Washington, who could be that
Speaker 1: three that kind of Curtis Samuel or replacement if necessary,
Speaker 1: I would jump at the chance in the third round
Speaker 1: if he's still there, to run that ticket up because
Speaker 1: he you watch his film in college it's excellent. You
Speaker 1: watch how he tests it, and to see him test
Speaker 1: better than expected, you're just like this guy could be
Speaker 1: a I don't want to say a dynamic playmaker because
Speaker 1: that's overstating, but a consistent playmaker at the NFL level.
Speaker 2: Well, another guy that in that vein the combine really
Speaker 2: helped him out, really pushed them up. I think tes
Speaker 2: Walker stood out today and he needed to have a
Speaker 2: good day, and he did right so real quickly he
Speaker 2: ran a four to three six, which is great.
Speaker 1: And jumped out the gym if I remember correctly, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you looked it up. Look it up
Speaker 1: while I'm talking real quick. Sure, but a guy that
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl had a hard time catching the football,
Speaker 1: just was not very consistent catching the football. And it's
Speaker 1: a red flag because on film you see him also
Speaker 1: drop the football, and so you're kind of like, man,
Speaker 1: the most important part of playing receiver at the NFL level,
Speaker 1: at any level is catching the football. I don't care
Speaker 1: how fast you are, I don't care how big you are,
Speaker 1: I don't care how twitched up you are. If you
Speaker 1: can't catch the football, that's concerning. And so today he
Speaker 1: came out and we've already talked a little bit about
Speaker 1: how challenging it is for these receivers to catch balls
Speaker 1: from new players. He didn't drop a ball, he didn't
Speaker 1: drop a ball. He ran excellent routes. I mean, you
Speaker 1: still see some of the issues with his rot running technique.
Speaker 1: He's a little high hipped, he has a hard time sinking.
Speaker 1: But I think he's violent with his feet and a
Speaker 1: guy that could be again like kind of in that
Speaker 1: Wallace from Pittsburgh over the top playmaker if he can
Speaker 1: kind of catch the football the way he did today.
Speaker 1: So I think, again in the vein of a guy
Speaker 1: who needed to kind of answer a lot of questions
Speaker 1: in a big time job interview, he did that. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's so many they probably caught fifty balls today, or
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to catch about fifty balls. Now that's
Speaker 1: probably too much. Thirty to thirty five balls. He didn't
Speaker 1: drop one of them. So didn't drop it in the gauntlet,
Speaker 1: didn't drop it in the warm up. You can tell
Speaker 1: that was a point of emphasis for him, and I
Speaker 1: think that's awesome that he came out and kind of
Speaker 1: put his stamp on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he looked fantastic. I was pleasantly surprised to see that,
Speaker 2: especially after the tough Senior Bowl the last time I
Speaker 2: saw him a four to three, six forty yard dash
Speaker 2: of forty point five vertical monster pretty good and eleven
Speaker 2: two monster.
Speaker 1: Those are monster explosive numbers. And so for him again
Speaker 1: to come out test so well, jump like that, run
Speaker 1: like that in a big moment, it's hard to do that. Man,
Speaker 1: there's fans there, there's scouts there, everyone gets a little
Speaker 1: bit tight, little bit of tense. I think he just
Speaker 1: did a great job again, and all the questions that
Speaker 1: came up in the Senior Bowl, like kind of not
Speaker 1: answering all of them because he still fights the football
Speaker 1: a little bit. He still he's not the most natural catcher,
Speaker 1: but I liked it. That was a point of emphasis
Speaker 1: for him. So I'd say he's also kind of in
Speaker 1: that pseudo winner category for sure.
Speaker 2: All right, well let's look the other direction, right the winner.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say a loser, because nobody hears
Speaker 2: a loser. They're all NFL dwalent And like I said,
Speaker 2: we're gonna be nitpicky, we're gonna split some hairs. But
Speaker 2: a guy that came in here that we're all that.
Speaker 2: We said, all right, let's see if you can check
Speaker 2: some boxes. Was Keon Coleman from Florida State.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Keon Coleman is a guy that I love.
Speaker 1: I love watching this film. He is great. He's probably
Speaker 1: the best contested catch receiver in the class. The problem
Speaker 1: is like he doesn't separate well on film. So he
Speaker 1: needed to come in here and show me something, show
Speaker 1: me something from an explosive speed standpoint. So he comes in,
Speaker 1: he runs a four to six two. Okay, that's not fatal,
Speaker 1: but it's not great. Then you're like, okay, well, if
Speaker 1: he comes in and shows some route running nuance, maybe
Speaker 1: that four to six two isn't an issue. And every
Speaker 1: route that he so. First off, I got to give
Speaker 1: him his flowers. On the gauntlet drill, he did it
Speaker 1: better than anybody at the combine. He sprinted through the thing,
Speaker 1: his feet never left the ground. He caught the ball
Speaker 1: naturally with.
Speaker 2: His twenty miles an hour.
Speaker 1: He was hitting on that, which is what you want
Speaker 1: to see in that droll. So great, great job. But
Speaker 1: anytime we had to change direction, anytime we had to
Speaker 1: run an out, a deep dig, a comeback. He is
Speaker 1: very stiff in his hips and ankles in a way
Speaker 1: that makes it hard for him to sink into breaks.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna talk about Johnny Wilson here in a second,
Speaker 1: But when you watch Johnny Wilson, his kind of counterpart
Speaker 1: at Florida State sink and run routes, it just looks
Speaker 1: completely different. And that to me, when I watched him
Speaker 1: in routes on air today, it became instantly clear why
Speaker 1: his separation percentage is so low compared to everybody else.
Speaker 1: So I think he could have come in here and
Speaker 1: if you would have run a four or five or
Speaker 1: a four four seven, four four nine, it had been like, Okay,
Speaker 1: he's got the vertical speed to be this home run threat.
Speaker 1: But now I think his role becomes a little bit
Speaker 1: nebulous about what he's good at in the NFL. Again,
Speaker 1: contested catch monster, but so was Kanil Harry, a guy
Speaker 1: that could contested catch any out, contested catch anybody, but
Speaker 1: couldn't separate and obviously had a very kind of lackluster
Speaker 1: professional career.
Speaker 2: Ker Coleman, I hope, I hope he's successful. He looks
Speaker 2: like he has all the tools. It's just there it
Speaker 2: feels like there's just one thing not clicking. And I
Speaker 2: hope he goes to a team that gets a coaching
Speaker 2: staff around him that like figures it out, because he
Speaker 2: is a monster for contested catches and just give him
Speaker 2: that little bit of something that helps him create separation
Speaker 2: so he can be a big success. Yeah, you talked
Speaker 2: about Johnny Wilson. I want to lump two guys together.
Speaker 2: I want to lump Johnny Wilson and I want to
Speaker 2: lump u Xavier Worthy from Texas. And there's a reason
Speaker 2: I want to lump them together, and that reason is
Speaker 2: they came into the combine with a lot of questions
Speaker 2: around them. Did they prove did they answer those questions?
Speaker 2: Did they prove it to you? Because Johnny Wilson ran
Speaker 2: a four or five three and it being at six '
Speaker 2: seven and the size he is, We're like, that's good,
Speaker 2: that's great. We're glad we saw that. You said he
Speaker 2: did the rat Sorry Logan, he said he did the
Speaker 2: routes and he sunk his hips and he looked great,
Speaker 2: and you're excited about that. Yeah, right, these are all
Speaker 2: positive things. Then, Xavier Worthy, we have questions about his
Speaker 2: route tree and what he can do was as far
Speaker 2: as like, can he do these comebacks? Can he do
Speaker 2: all the rout tree h That's basically he comes in
Speaker 2: and he runs a record setting four two one forty.
Speaker 2: That was phenomenal to.
Speaker 1: Watch in the atmosphere.
Speaker 2: The atmosphere was a coach. They were showing coaches on
Speaker 2: the board that were like pulling for him, and it
Speaker 2: was like it was great. But then he doesn't do anything.
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm done for the day. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to run any routes for you. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: show you that i can do these things, even though
Speaker 2: there's questions for it. I'm fine with just being the
Speaker 2: fastest forty time ever at the combine right whereas Johnny
Speaker 2: Wilson derees. I want to lump him. He does all
Speaker 2: these things we said, we checked the box, good forty,
Speaker 2: looking good in it, rounds and jump. But then halfway
Speaker 2: through the drills he's like, I'm good, Yeah, I'm done. Now.
Speaker 2: He could have an injury, we don't.
Speaker 1: Know, or his agent could have said yeah agent, he just.
Speaker 2: But for whatever reason, he's just just stopped. He went on,
Speaker 2: got dressed, put his bag on, stood with the with
Speaker 2: the guys stood at the team, was rooting them one
Speaker 2: and all that, but he like he only did about
Speaker 2: half it. Why so, like, why do we even though
Speaker 2: they came in and did positive things, we still have
Speaker 2: questions about him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think let's sart with Johnny Wilson because
Speaker 1: he's a guy that I I love tall receivers, I
Speaker 1: love outliers, thirty five inch arms. He jumped thirty seven
Speaker 1: inches at two hundred and thirty five pounds. He had
Speaker 1: like an eleven nine broad Like, he did a great
Speaker 1: job testing. Remember the four four, five, three forty, Like
Speaker 1: that's awesome for a man of his proportion. And then
Speaker 1: he goes out and you're like, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: And he runs excellent routes. He catches the ball with
Speaker 1: his hands, he runs a great gauntlet trill. He just
Speaker 1: it's all there, and you're like, oh my gosh, this
Speaker 1: guy can play his way into what I would categorize
Speaker 1: as a two. You know, like he at the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: he didn't lose a rep in one on ones, he
Speaker 1: didn't make any mental like, he had a good week
Speaker 1: of practice, and then at the Senior Bowl he stops
Speaker 1: after the second day he wins all his one on
Speaker 1: ones on the second day and then says, I've got
Speaker 1: an injury. I have to go. You're like, okay, that's okay.
Speaker 1: People do that at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 2: That was tough. And then like we felt bad. Yeah,
Speaker 2: keep seeing you injury, that's fine.
Speaker 1: And so then here it's like you are doing something.
Speaker 1: You're having an excellent day, You're running good routes. He
Speaker 1: made an excellent like this throw, so he ran a
Speaker 1: big out right and I forget who it was, but
Speaker 1: they kind of put the ball way to the sideline
Speaker 1: over his head, so he tracked it over his head.
Speaker 1: He cut it right off his shoelaces as it was
Speaker 1: falling down, popped it up, and then finished the drill.
Speaker 1: And that was his last catch.
Speaker 2: And at six seven, that was amazing.
Speaker 1: And just seeing him run in comparison everybody else, you're
Speaker 1: like this, and and again his ability to sink and
Speaker 1: come out of cuts at that size is it's it's
Speaker 1: really special to watch. But I don't understand why you
Speaker 1: didn't finish the Senior Bowl and why you didn't finish
Speaker 1: this drill. I know I've got we're gonna do some
Speaker 1: investigative reporting. And figure out what's going on with them,
Speaker 1: But do you have an injury problem? Can you only
Speaker 1: run a certain number of routes like what you're conditioning? Like,
Speaker 1: So I feel like that the physical stuff was all
Speaker 1: answered for me, but the character of the composition of
Speaker 1: his competitive character is still in question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it feels like that's unfair because we don't know.
Speaker 2: We don't know if he could have had an injury,
Speaker 2: he could just be taking the advice of his agent
Speaker 2: and like he's doing all the right things. But because
Speaker 2: we don't know and we're not privy to that, they
Speaker 2: should and we don't, Like we're not teams, right, maybe
Speaker 2: they're telling the teams, Hey, here's what's going on whatever,
Speaker 2: and that's fine, but we don't have that information. So
Speaker 2: all we have is like we you're right there every time,
Speaker 2: like we want to fall in love with you, or
Speaker 2: I want to fall in love with you and write
Speaker 2: when I'm about to, you're like.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, that's exactly I think.
Speaker 2: And it's like, oh no, just just just finish it out, Yeah,
Speaker 2: finish it out. But I hope he's I hope he's healthy.
Speaker 2: I hope it's not an injury. I hope it is
Speaker 2: his agent saying, you know, stuff like I hope and
Speaker 2: I just hope it's not him being like, you know,
Speaker 2: I think I'm done.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope that too, because again, I want guys
Speaker 1: who love football, who are passionate about football, and those
Speaker 1: are the guys you bet on. Those are the guys
Speaker 1: that get better and that didn't happen today and so
Speaker 1: and so that that's one element of the people you
Speaker 1: asked about. The other guys. Xavier a Worthy obviously tremendous performance.
Speaker 1: The problem I have with this is he's five or eleven.
Speaker 1: He waited at one sixty five, obviously, jumped out the
Speaker 1: gym all the every explosive measurement you want. His ten
Speaker 1: was great. Everything about it was great. I think he
Speaker 1: ran the fastest ten in the history of the combike.
Speaker 1: Dude was out there today. From an from a measurement standpoint,
Speaker 1: I don't have any question when I watch this film there,
Speaker 1: I had zero questions about that. Like I think I
Speaker 1: told you before I ran, I think he's gonna run
Speaker 1: a four two. I think I said that too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he goes out and runs a four two. Great.
Speaker 1: My question is, what how do you run routes, you know, like,
Speaker 1: I don't care how fast you are, how do you
Speaker 1: run routes? And so I was really hoping because on
Speaker 1: film he works a vertical route tree. People get hands
Speaker 1: on him, they bump him off the stuff. It's a
Speaker 1: hard time changing direction. Maybe that's just the rout tree
Speaker 1: they're asking him to do a Texas. So I really
Speaker 1: wanted to see him run today. I really run routes
Speaker 1: and for him just put the backpack on him, like
Speaker 1: you're not a first round pick, and maybe he will
Speaker 1: be now for the forty. But I think teams have
Speaker 1: gotten wise to understanding that fast guys, really fast guys. Guy.
Speaker 1: If you look at everybody who's broken records at the
Speaker 1: combine in terms of forty outside of Chris Johnson, tend
Speaker 1: to not be the greatest football players. John Ross is
Speaker 1: the most recent example. Drafted by the Bengals in the
Speaker 1: first round.
Speaker 2: That's the record that worthy beat today.
Speaker 1: That's and not a kind of a lackluster career. So
Speaker 1: I just wanted to see him play football, or play
Speaker 1: a version of football, or play something that simulated football,
Speaker 1: and he just didn't do that. So I'm a little
Speaker 1: disappointed with that. Again, he will go down in history
Speaker 1: as the fastest man and dude.
Speaker 2: And it was electric. I was pulling for him. It
Speaker 2: was so exciting because they liked and we don't want
Speaker 2: to take anything away from him for doing that. It's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then just to walk you through, like he
Speaker 1: ran a four two five and I'm like, he's not
Speaker 1: gonna run another one. And he gets up to the
Speaker 1: line and the building is quiet. It's like it's like
Speaker 1: electric and it's running again, and then he runs the
Speaker 1: he runs the forty, and then for the second time.
Speaker 1: For the second forty, the NFL puts up the time
Speaker 1: on the big screen and they flash up the four
Speaker 1: to two right or four to two one right as
Speaker 1: he's finishing, and the stadium erupts. They have clips of
Speaker 1: coaches like double checking their stopwatches and looking at the
Speaker 1: numbers on the screen. Yea, and it was just it
Speaker 1: was awesome. And so they showed ap yeah, and he
Speaker 1: was just oh yeah, clapping, and then they start a
Speaker 1: picture of a scout looking at his stopwatch, looking at
Speaker 1: the number, double checking it, talking to someone next because
Speaker 1: you don't believe that it happened, and it's and it's
Speaker 1: cool to be there for that kind of moment in
Speaker 1: Combine history. But as a town evaluator, that's great, but
Speaker 1: I want to see you run some routes and catch
Speaker 1: the football.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like and it's again, it's the same for me,
Speaker 2: the same Johnny was. I want to love that. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: and that's great, but this isn't just a track meet.
Speaker 2: You need to go play some football, right, You need
Speaker 2: to show.
Speaker 1: Some football run routes, like, yeah, the football skills because
Speaker 1: you're not playing football. There's no pads on. It's the
Speaker 1: end of where Olympics. We get that. I need to
Speaker 1: see the fundamentals like Romadonsday showed me, Brian Thomas showed me, right,
Speaker 1: the xavierly Get showed me they were not they had
Speaker 1: a great workouts and they weren't too good to do
Speaker 1: this other thing. And I just again, we're going to
Speaker 1: go back and watch the film, grind the tape. But
Speaker 1: I had questions about his route running and I was
Speaker 1: hoping to get them answered today or at least shades
Speaker 1: of that answered today, and he didn't do it. So awesome,
Speaker 1: congratulations him, but didn't quite work out. And then there's
Speaker 1: another guy we want to talk about too, Adie Mitchell.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1: Ab Sos, Texas teammate, and he's a guy that everyone's
Speaker 1: going to be super stoked on him because he ran
Speaker 1: like a four to three five or four through four.
Speaker 2: He ran a four to three five.
Speaker 1: He jumped crazy, like his jumps were awesome, like all
Speaker 1: the explosive stuff you're talking about, and you go back
Speaker 1: and watch the film and he's an explosive player, but
Speaker 1: I didn't know he was that explosive. And then he
Speaker 1: gets on the field and all of the questions you
Speaker 1: have about his route running technicality were just exacerbated to
Speaker 1: like the millionth degree. He gets stuck in brakes, he's
Speaker 1: slipping coming out of cuts, he's drifting on routes, and
Speaker 1: quarterbacks missing the throw, and so you're like, he is
Speaker 1: not technically where he needs to be. Physically, it's all
Speaker 1: there for him, but the technical stuff was not there.
Speaker 1: And so you kind of say, even though he had
Speaker 1: a great day measuring and like coming out of that
Speaker 1: lab and saying, man, I can do all this stuff
Speaker 1: from a physical standpoint, the nuance of the position escaped
Speaker 1: him in a way that makes me think maybe it
Speaker 1: wasn't the best day for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he had a couple drops, which is tough.
Speaker 2: And this was with the group with b Nix, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and JJ McCarthy and Sam Hartman who doesn't have the
Speaker 2: best arm but he's fairly accurate. And it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's tough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, that's tough because Joe Millen was out there too,
Speaker 1: would and say what you want about Joe Miller at
Speaker 1: least today was pretty accurate on the whole.
Speaker 2: Had a pretty good day. Yeah, So that was that
Speaker 2: was tough and it's hard to So here's the thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so here's the thing. The combine isn't to be all
Speaker 2: end all right, like and we mentioned this before, like
Speaker 2: the weight that you used a combine to evaluate a
Speaker 2: player is like it just is supposed to support the
Speaker 2: film or push you to like maybe I miss something
Speaker 2: in the film. And also, these guys are gonna have
Speaker 2: pro dase, right, So like with Xavier Worthy with Adie Mitchell,
Speaker 2: they're gonna have a pro day at Texas and hopefully
Speaker 2: this answers questions again, right, And it's like they get
Speaker 2: to do this combine stuff again where they're more comfortable
Speaker 2: and it's like they get to work a little bit
Speaker 2: more and they get to be like, oh, Combine was
Speaker 2: a fluke or like it, and we're hoping positive things
Speaker 2: for these guys.
Speaker 1: And I think the thing with Adi Mitchell though, it's
Speaker 1: like the film shows that he's not the most nuanced or outrunner,
Speaker 1: so you're like, but it also showed that for Brian Thomas,
Speaker 1: right correct, And so Brian Thomas comes to the field
Speaker 1: and you see the nuance, and with Adie Mitchell it
Speaker 1: was like there was it was like he was bashing
Speaker 1: a hammer into the ground, like there was no nuance there,
Speaker 1: and you're like, ooh, that's a lot of work to do.
Speaker 1: And now the great thing about receiver is I think
Speaker 1: if you look at DK Metcalf, who's again not a
Speaker 1: nuance route runner, but is a stallion out there, you
Speaker 1: can cultivate an offense to speak to guys' skill set.
Speaker 1: So you're fast, you're explosive. We can find a way
Speaker 1: to make that work. But that role diminishes in size
Speaker 1: because you're, again the the nuance the artistry of the
Speaker 1: position isn't there now, Like you said, he goes to
Speaker 1: the he goes to his pro da kills it like
Speaker 1: you might be a first round pick, but I would
Speaker 1: be reluctant to kind of give him that designation after
Speaker 1: the field work today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I keep hedging because I think this is
Speaker 2: important because a lot of times, and it's not just
Speaker 2: with fans, with listening to Combine talk or draft talk,
Speaker 2: it's like, we get this just in general in our conversations.
Speaker 2: It sounds like sometimes when you're pointing out things that
Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, he has trouble with this, he has
Speaker 2: trouble with that. It doesn't mean we hate the player, right,
Speaker 2: and it does it mean like they're a bad player.
Speaker 2: We're not saying, by any means that any of these
Speaker 2: guys that we're bringing up some questions with, whether it's
Speaker 2: Adie Mitchell or King Coleman that we're like, or or
Speaker 2: Johnny wilson Eman or Xavier Worth that we're like, Oh,
Speaker 2: they don't they don't deserve to be drafted to it.
Speaker 2: That's not what we're saying. Like I said at the beginning,
Speaker 2: this is a very good wide receiver class and we
Speaker 2: are going to split hairs to try and figure out
Speaker 2: where they're going to fall and where they're going to
Speaker 2: rise in this draft.
Speaker 1: And I still think Adie Mitchell is the second round player,
Speaker 1: but I think he's worth it.
Speaker 2: He's worth the second I think I could.
Speaker 1: Have been a first I think he could have jumped
Speaker 1: Keon Coleman and a first round player if he had
Speaker 1: done better in that area. And it's a small thing.
Speaker 1: It's a small thing, but I think that's kind of
Speaker 1: that's what we're I think he's still good. I'd still have,
Speaker 1: in the right situation, want him. Same thing with Keon Coleman,
Speaker 1: quite honestly, But there's more questions about them as opposed
Speaker 1: to those first three guys we talked about who came
Speaker 1: out and just knocked the ball out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these guys still could have great NFL careers, right,
Speaker 2: and they're still draftable, still definitely draftable.
Speaker 1: Their top sixty players.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I just want to reemphasize that, like, just
Speaker 2: because we're talking about these things doesn't mean we're like
Speaker 2: saying they're like bad at football. They must certainly are
Speaker 2: not right, all right, So, guys going from Texas to Tennessee,
Speaker 2: we just talked about Joe Milton, and we just talked
Speaker 2: about the guy that ran the fastest forty. Let's talk
Speaker 2: about this laser cannon of an arm that Joe Milton
Speaker 2: got to show off. This dude threw the ball. I
Speaker 2: measured seventy yards, which is.
Speaker 1: Nuts seventy yards to a completed pass, so like it's
Speaker 1: gonna fall. It's probably like seventy it was. It was. So,
Speaker 1: you know, we've been to the combine a couple of
Speaker 1: years in a row now, and we see the guys
Speaker 1: do it, and they start on the ten, they do
Speaker 1: their drop back, the receiver runs out and they catch
Speaker 1: the ball approximately between the fifty and the forty five.
Speaker 1: That's on the other side on the on the other
Speaker 1: side of fifty right, So that's approximate where the ball catches.
Speaker 1: And so Joe Millian gets out there and I'm like,
Speaker 1: this dude's about to like, you know, he can throw
Speaker 1: the ball eighty five yards in the air, let's see it.
Speaker 1: It kind of sounds like an urban legend almost. So
Speaker 1: he gets back there, he does his drop and instead
Speaker 1: of throwing the ball, he holds it for like a
Speaker 1: half a second. So the receiver is just getting farther
Speaker 1: and farther away, and You're like, he's gonna underthrow this,
Speaker 1: Like there's no way he can throw the ball as far.
Speaker 1: And he launches this sucker and it lands on the
Speaker 1: minus twenty nineteen eighteen yard line and the receiver catches it.
Speaker 1: And I've never seen a ball travel that far in
Speaker 1: the air to a completed position before. Like he is
Speaker 1: a physical freak. He threw the ball sixty two miles
Speaker 1: an hour. Like I don't know if he broke the record,
Speaker 1: but he was probably close. Like he is a monster
Speaker 1: when it comes to throwing the football. He's not the
Speaker 1: most technically sound quarterback from a film standpoint, but the
Speaker 1: tools man. He's fast, he's big. He did a he
Speaker 1: did a handspring backflip after they scored a touchdown to
Speaker 1: finish the drill. Like he weighs two hundred and forty
Speaker 1: five pounds. Like, dude is a monster, and so in
Speaker 1: terms of winning the combine, Like did he make every throw? No?
Speaker 1: Is he the most amost accus guy of all time? No?
Speaker 1: But does he have a cannon for an arm? And
Speaker 1: is he blessed with everything you could possibly need to
Speaker 1: play the position? Absolutely?
Speaker 2: I said this before, I'll say it again. He reminds
Speaker 2: me of Serx from three hundred. He's a massive, He's
Speaker 2: a massive man, and he has a absolute laser cannon
Speaker 2: of an arm. It was really impressive to see. But
Speaker 2: the other guy that was stealing the spotlight in this
Speaker 2: group for quarterbacks, even though he had that great seventy
Speaker 2: yard throw, the guy that was getting all the attention,
Speaker 2: that all the eyeballs were on was JJ McCarthy. Ye, now,
Speaker 2: why are the eyeballs on JJ McCarthy logan, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, I think so when you watch the film, I
Speaker 1: know there's not a lot of throws. You have to
Speaker 1: watch a lot of games to get the number of throws.
Speaker 1: You need to kind of fill out your evaluation. But
Speaker 1: you see great ball velocity, great ball placement, and you
Speaker 1: see NFL throws in the tight windows. You see a
Speaker 1: confidence an you see an athleticism. So I was little
Speaker 1: disappointed didn't run a forty, But I think the thing
Speaker 1: that just jumps out at you, like right when he
Speaker 1: gets back there is there's Joe Milton's arm right which
Speaker 1: is just straight raw horsepower. And I will say JJ's
Speaker 1: arm is not far off. Like I said, I said,
Speaker 1: Joe Milton through the ball sixty two miles an hour.
Speaker 1: JJ threw at sixty one. And so in combining kind
Speaker 1: of this tremendous physical gift. There's also a little bit
Speaker 1: more nuanced there when it comes to playing the quarterback position.
Speaker 1: Like they're running a big out today and JJ is
Speaker 1: throwing with anticipation, throwing to a spot. Milton is just
Speaker 1: relying solely on the horsepower of his arm. You'll see
Speaker 1: the guy make the cut. He'll throw it to the
Speaker 1: guy and make the catch. But I think JJ just
Speaker 1: you saw the physical gifts that get everybody so fired
Speaker 1: up about him, and you saw him layering that in
Speaker 1: conjunction with some very very high level quarterback kind of
Speaker 1: it's not high level because it's routes on air, but understanding,
Speaker 1: hey this, I can use my mind, my wedge here,
Speaker 1: I can use my driver, I can use the putter
Speaker 1: for this throw. And they were all pretty accurate. And
Speaker 1: again they're throwing to a very eclectic group of receivers
Speaker 1: and he just kind of physically separated himself. And also
Speaker 1: you can tell he has a good feel for some
Speaker 1: of the finer points of the position.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was. It was a really interesting quarterback
Speaker 2: group to watch because you had Milton, you had McCarthy,
Speaker 2: and you had Bononix as well and b Nicks just
Speaker 2: for distance, right, I wrote these down. These are all
Speaker 2: These are not official. These are just what I marked
Speaker 2: when I looked at it. Milne had the seventy yarder
Speaker 2: right then McCarthy was a sixty four yarder.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's not bad. Put that out there.
Speaker 2: And then bon Nix was fifty five. Right. So bon
Speaker 2: Nix is known for being pretty accurate. Right, well, McCarthy
Speaker 2: was matching those nice touch throws, those nice accurate throws.
Speaker 2: And then he was out throwing Bonnicks as far as
Speaker 2: strength and complete a pass down there, just a little
Speaker 2: bit below Milton, So he had a It was almost
Speaker 2: like if you take a little bit of what Milton has,
Speaker 2: a little bit of what bow Nicks has, and you
Speaker 2: put it in one quarterback, that hero, it's JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 2: So yeah, when I was like, when we first started
Speaker 2: doing this, he was not one of the quarterbacks I
Speaker 2: evaluated because he wasn't at the Senior Bowl, right, And
Speaker 2: then I started looking at film. You were sending me
Speaker 2: film of him, and it took a lot of games
Speaker 2: to get at least a decent amount of throats to
Speaker 2: understand what he was capable of. And he's got a
Speaker 2: very strong arm, right, he is accurate with the ball
Speaker 2: when he does throw it. He can move right, he's
Speaker 2: athletic and can move in the pocket, can make a
Speaker 2: play with his legs. And it was just interesting because
Speaker 2: it feels like he came out of nowhere even though
Speaker 2: he's the quarterback of the National Championship time, right, And
Speaker 2: I do want I do see where you hear that
Speaker 2: other teams, other scouts are saying like, hey, this guy
Speaker 2: may slide in and be the fourth quarterback off the board,
Speaker 2: maybe a top ten pick. Yeah, you're starting to see
Speaker 2: if you if you start to squint, you're starting to
Speaker 2: see it.
Speaker 1: And I think especially today, you know, like I know
Speaker 1: he threw with those guys right who And I think
Speaker 1: bo Nix is kind of in that fourth fifth quarterback
Speaker 1: conversation between him and but he outperformed him today. And
Speaker 1: then you compare him to what they did with the
Speaker 1: second group. And I think Penix has an excellent arm,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't have the touch does and I think
Speaker 1: his arm actually was less effective in certain situations, certain
Speaker 1: throws than McCarthy's arm. And so I don't want to
Speaker 1: say he kind of blew those guys out of the water,
Speaker 1: but he kind of did to me, Yeah, and again
Speaker 1: the film is very good too, and the ability to
Speaker 1: kind of use different clubs is something that I can't
Speaker 1: overstate the importance of because Penix does a great deep ball,
Speaker 1: but everything in between is a little bit dicey, and
Speaker 1: I think he's very accurate. I thought he was very
Speaker 1: efficient today, But you see, there's just a little bit
Speaker 1: more with McCarthy, and I think Pennix is going to
Speaker 1: be a serviceable pro. He might even be a good
Speaker 1: started at some point. Same thing with bon Nicks. But
Speaker 1: there's something there's something special about his physical skill skill
Speaker 1: set that makes Jim Harbaugh say he would take him
Speaker 1: first overall if he could like that. And again, I
Speaker 1: don't think Jim Harbro is being hyperbolic. I think he
Speaker 1: genuinely believes in that guy, the leadership stuff. I think
Speaker 1: he probably interviewed really well. So after today, it feels
Speaker 1: like to me that he is the He's established himself
Speaker 1: very firmly as the fourth guy. And we'll see. We
Speaker 1: got to watch more film, the evaluations on going process,
Speaker 1: but seeing what he was able to seeing what he
Speaker 1: was able to do from film and apply it in
Speaker 1: this setting, and to see just you know, Bonix throwball,
Speaker 1: McCarthy throwball, Joe Milton throwball, Pennix throwball, Rue right after another.
Speaker 1: You're kind of like, man, that arm is special, that
Speaker 1: accuracy is special. And he did. It's not like he
Speaker 1: made every throw. He missed some throws. That's he's thrown
Speaker 1: in a bunch of different receivers, but it was it
Speaker 1: was a pretty good performance by him today.
Speaker 2: Well, the combine, because I keep saying it, the combine
Speaker 2: shouldn't be everything. So like the hesitation that I have
Speaker 2: with McCarthy, like as just a guy, right if you're
Speaker 2: talking to me and I'm just a guy, he just
Speaker 2: hasn't done it enough. There are guys like the BONNICKX
Speaker 2: and Penix, they've done it enough. I've seen a lot
Speaker 2: of throws. I've seen them do a lot of different
Speaker 2: type of throws. I've seen them put teams on their
Speaker 2: back with having the throat like we've seen that. Haven't
Speaker 2: seen it as much with McCarthy. So like that's the
Speaker 2: worry is like, yeah, he's got all these things when
Speaker 2: it's routes on air, right, or when it's asked for,
Speaker 2: when he's asked to do it just in burst little burst,
Speaker 2: But if you're gonna draft him high, right, if he's
Speaker 2: going to go in the top ten or be the
Speaker 2: fourth quarterback over or fall somewhere in there, he's gonna
Speaker 2: have to do it more than he did it in college.
Speaker 2: He's gonna have to put a team on his back
Speaker 2: a lot more because you're taking a team that needs
Speaker 2: a lot of help. You would think you're not drafting
Speaker 2: in the top ten if you're not a team that
Speaker 2: needs a lot of help. So, like guys like Caleb Williams,
Speaker 2: you say, well, he can go out there. He can
Speaker 2: do things that even if your team needs a little
Speaker 2: help and growing and rebuilding, he can still win you games,
Speaker 2: right with his type of skill set. That's that's the
Speaker 2: evaluation of him. With McCarthy, maybe he has those, maybe
Speaker 2: he doesn't. But like I just I don't trust it.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it enough. So what do you say
Speaker 2: to just a guy like me. He's like, it's just
Speaker 2: there's just not enough data.
Speaker 1: Point, there's no there's no rebuttal to it. It's true.
Speaker 1: I think the thing about it is I put my
Speaker 1: coaches had on here, and I know coaches are going
Speaker 1: to look at what he does and say we can
Speaker 1: work with that because it's special. I think that's what
Speaker 1: you come down to, and I think you again, I've
Speaker 1: told our listeners to go back and watch the TCU
Speaker 1: game from last year, and you see he makes mistakes.
Speaker 1: He's not perfect, but you see high level NFL throws
Speaker 1: and the tight windows over the middle of the field,
Speaker 1: and they are tough. He's under pressure. He does a
Speaker 1: great job. And I think coaches, GMS they watch that
Speaker 1: and they say that I don't care how long bow
Speaker 1: Nix has played football, I don't care how talented he is.
Speaker 1: He's never going to have that physical skill set. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what's happening right now is it's like
Speaker 1: the mystery box. You've seen enough to say, oh, it's
Speaker 1: not really a mystery, like talk yourself into it, and
Speaker 1: then you see him throw today and you're like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, Like if I was a coach like the
Speaker 1: one you totally blind without the names, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: picking that one. I'm picking him today because and he's
Speaker 1: just gonna have more upper He's going to throw it
Speaker 1: his pro day. They're going to see it more. I
Speaker 1: bet you he's a top ten pick. And it's because
Speaker 1: it's because he's shown a little bit and that little
Speaker 1: bit is really good, and then he's got the physical
Speaker 1: tools to kind of make you say wow. And I
Speaker 1: think that's what the NFL is, right, It's projecting. It's projecting.
Speaker 1: And we talk about this a lot in terms of
Speaker 1: our big spreadsheet that we have of all the prospects.
Speaker 1: Is there are physical rate limitters to the position. And
Speaker 1: like with offensive linemen, it's foot speed and arm length
Speaker 1: or body mass or height or whatever it is. And
Speaker 1: with a quarterback it's arm talent, accuracy, athleticism or things
Speaker 1: that no matter how long we talk about, I can't
Speaker 1: coach you to be better in those areas necessarily. Maybe accuracy,
Speaker 1: but arm talent no negotiable. And then the fact that
Speaker 1: he's done some of these NFL throws, Like just to
Speaker 1: give you some context, like Pennix doesn't make these throws.
Speaker 1: They're all outside, they're all deep comebacks, they're all deep fades.
Speaker 1: He doesn't throw out the millfield. Jane Daniels doesn't throw
Speaker 1: over the midfield. Right, even even our guy Bo Nicks,
Speaker 1: who's got a wide array of throws, isn't an offense
Speaker 1: that is very insulating towards him. So even though he
Speaker 1: has more throws, they're simple, easy reads. These are the
Speaker 1: ones that McCarthy does are challenging NFL level throws, And
Speaker 1: I think people say that's something. If he can do
Speaker 1: that there, we can make that happen all the time
Speaker 1: at the NFL level. So I think that's why after
Speaker 1: this week, you're not going to see anybody have anybody
Speaker 1: but him in that four slot.
Speaker 2: Well, let me put you on the spot. Okay, Washington
Speaker 2: trades back. Let's say they trade back. The common one
Speaker 2: is eight, right, they trade back to eight with the Atlanta.
Speaker 2: So Atlanta moves up to two, get a couple of So, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can build more with your roster with these picks. Okay,
Speaker 2: but we still want a quarterback. Are you feeling comfortable
Speaker 2: with JJ McCarthy there at eight for Washington?
Speaker 1: I'm getting there. I mean, I think I told you
Speaker 1: this morning, if I had to pick, if I was
Speaker 1: picking between fourteen and twenty, I'd feel excellent about it.
Speaker 2: But he's not going to fall.
Speaker 1: He's going to fall that, he's not going to fall
Speaker 1: that far. So I think the idea of getting JJ
Speaker 1: McCarthy apose is in a perfect world. JJ McCarthy at eight,
Speaker 1: he sits for a year, we draft another offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: they get better, the continuity improves, he does the Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes thing, and next year he comes out and we're
Speaker 1: ready to rock and roll. I understand if you dropped
Speaker 1: a guy in the top ten, that's not a reasonable expectation.
Speaker 1: But he's very good and the stuff that he does
Speaker 1: well is very high level NFL stuff, and he's still
Speaker 1: got a lot of growing to do, but that talent,
Speaker 1: I can I'm getting intoxicated just thinking about it. It's
Speaker 1: it's very high.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The last about a month ago, maybe maybe just
Speaker 2: a little bit less than a month ago, on this
Speaker 2: podcast with Zach Selby, with you Me, we did a
Speaker 2: mock draft battle and Selby we did what happens if
Speaker 2: we trade back from two into eight and Selby picked
Speaker 2: bo Knicks at that spot. I would love to do
Speaker 2: that again, and we probably will in the next coming weeks.
Speaker 2: We're gonna do that same thing again with the new
Speaker 2: evaluations we have, And I'm very interested in what Selby,
Speaker 2: you Me, or Fred Smooth does now that we know
Speaker 2: a little bit more about JJ McCarthy, does he overtake
Speaker 2: bo Nicks?
Speaker 1: Moving there on that shore I tried to push I
Speaker 1: tried to push him that way, you know, because of
Speaker 1: because I think I think, I think people are really
Speaker 1: high on bo Nicks, because the numbers for bo Nicks
Speaker 1: are excellent, like completion a percentage, advanced completion percentage adjusted
Speaker 1: to complete a percentage. But when you look at like
Speaker 1: difficulty of throw in that offense, it's not very high.
Speaker 1: Which again that's not taking anything away from him, like
Speaker 1: he made the throws, but the high level stuff isn't there.
Speaker 1: And like you said, it's not there all the time
Speaker 1: for McCarthy, but when he has to, when they have
Speaker 1: to throw in Michigan's offense, it's tough. So I think
Speaker 1: that's part of it.
Speaker 2: One little, one little more thing. McCarthy is much younger.
Speaker 1: Than Boonex, that's true.
Speaker 2: And there's something a learning there too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there really is.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean that's the whole thing with Drake May and
Speaker 1: Jane Daniels too, right like that, there's there's a malleability
Speaker 1: appliability there. You can kind of mold them as you
Speaker 1: want them to be. And and I do think there's
Speaker 1: something special about that. You know that he's been in
Speaker 1: a pro style offense, he's been with with uh the
Speaker 1: coach of the Chargers now, like he understands what the
Speaker 1: expectation is going to be for him. He went to
Speaker 1: IMG Academy, that's basically playing professional football in high school
Speaker 1: or college football in high school. Like he has been
Speaker 1: on a track to be to have a high level
Speaker 1: of professionalism. So there's something definitely intoxicating about it. But
Speaker 1: it's still a projection, like one hundred percent. So I'm
Speaker 1: not saying I know I have the answer, but he is.
Speaker 1: He's very to be sure.
Speaker 2: What a day?
Speaker 1: What a day?
Speaker 2: That was a fun day. I love football, and the
Speaker 2: Combine is a Indianapolis does a fantastic job at it.
Speaker 2: Lucas Oil is a beautiful stadium. Everybody's super nice. It's
Speaker 2: a great facility, and man, I just love football. Watching
Speaker 2: these guys do football.
Speaker 1: Things is a good day. It's a football junkies dream.
Speaker 1: And so we just sit there, talk ball and get
Speaker 1: to watch all these guys come through and get to
Speaker 1: see dreams hopefully happen.
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Speaker 2: the fans, and we're very grateful that we're a part
Speaker 2: of that ride.
Speaker 1: So that's our shows. That's all we.
Speaker 2: Got, all right till next time. That's it.
Speaker 1: That's it.