WEBVTT - Xavier Worthy Runs Fast, Joe Milton Throws Far, and J.J. McCarthy Drops Dimes on Day 3 | Ticket to the Draft Podcast | Washington Commanders 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:01.960 In today's episode of Tickets to the Draft, We've got 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:05.279 the skill guys, the playmakers, the running backs, the wide receivers. 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:08.159 You've got record breaking forties, we've got aliens, six to 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:11.160 seven wide receivers. We've got receivers pretending to be horses 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:15.480 out there. Man, it was wild. We got quarterbacks Adrian McCarthy, 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:19.560 Bowe Nicks, Michael Pennix Junior, and the quarterback boards are shuffling. 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:27.480 That all starts right out. Welcome on into the Tickets 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:30.480 and Draft Podcast presented by Sea Geek, the official primary 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:33.760 ticketing partner of the Washington Commanders. I'm Logan Paulson here 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:36.360 with Jessic Guy Jason, and we are just finishing up 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:41.720 Day three of the combine receivers, running backs, and quarterbacks. 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:43.720 And it was a marathon of a day, but a 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:45.559 lot of fun because these are the guys, are the 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:47.920 playmakers in this year's draft class. 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:50.159 This is the best day of the combine. Thanks to 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:52.320 Sea Geek, we had the best seat in the house 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:54.960 right well, we really did. We had a good time. 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:57.760 You were getting up with your exercise bands and working 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:00.319 out halfway through because it's a lot of I mean, 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:02.520 there's a lot of guys to watch here, But man, 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:05.200 is it fun watching these guys do their drills, watching 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:06.200 these quarterbacks spin it? 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:10.959 Yeah? Absolutely, And again, the the top top guys didn't participate, right, 0:01:11.040 --> 0:01:14.840 so who are they? They're Caleb Williams, Jane Daniels, Drake 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:15.640 May didn't do anything. 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:16.720 Marvin Harrison Junior. 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:19.920 Yeah, Marvin Harrison Junior, the leak Neighbors didn't participate. But 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:23.640 I think with the quarterbacks that second tier guys is 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:27.279 really fun. Specifically JJ McCarthy man, like, he's so interesting 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:30.480 watching his film, watching him throw today. And then honestly, 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:34.400 like people talk about Malik Neighbors not not participating, Marvin 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:36.440 Harrison Junior not participating, I mean it was great to 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.640 watch Brian Thomas Jr. And romadonsay, Man, he is a 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:41.280 special prospect, you know. 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:45.479 And so that wide receiver group is special, right. There's 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:48.360 a lot of really good players here, and when we 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:50.640 break them down, we're gonna do running backs, then wide 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:53.400 receivers in quarterbacks. When we break down the wide receivers, 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:57.640 like we're gonna we're gonna nitpick yep, because you're all 0:01:57.680 --> 0:01:59.760 really good. So I just want our listeners to keep 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:02.840 that in mind. When we're looking at, like what differentiates 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:04.400 this guy from this guy? When we get through the 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:06.920 ride receiver group, it's going to be it's going to 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:09.400 be the smallest details. They're all very good. 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:11.760 They're all very good, and if you disagree, please leave 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:13.560 a comment. You know, Like again, we're trying to flesh 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.160 out all of our evaluations and if you guys see 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:18.840 something different, we'd love to talk to you about it, 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:19.919 So make sure you leave a comment. 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:23.760 Yeah. Absolutely. Now a group that may not have as 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:27.760 many top end of the drafts players is the running backs. 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:30.519 Now why do you think that is with this class specifically? 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:32.720 You know, it's funny, like there's just not that guy, 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:34.920 you know, like last year there was the Jamir Gibbs, 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:38.800 there was the guy drafted by Atlanta, J John Robinson. Yeah, 0:02:38.840 --> 0:02:41.320 and I think they were special and I think, you know, 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:44.000 when the drill work and the testing. Obviously v John 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:45.840 didn't kill the testing the way a lot of people thought, 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:48.040 but Gibbs ran a four three and six four three eight, 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:51.160 and just the bagwork, the dexterity of movement, the way 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:53.640 they caught the football was just different. And they kind 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:56.200 of fall in that offensive playmaker category and I think 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:58.480 what you'll find with the NFL and at the NFL 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.880 devalues running backs. The value tight ends the values linebackers 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:04.800 to a certain extent. But when you find a special 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:07.640 prospect in that group, you're going to get bumped up 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:09.359 into the first round. And So while I think there 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:11.800 are guys that are, you know, I think, very very talented, 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:13.960 like I'm not, I think they're very good running backs, 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.079 I don't think there's that game changer at the position. 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:18.960 And when you talk to guys scouts and coaches at 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:20.800 the combine, you know, we go out every night and 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:22.760 talk to people, one of the things they always say is, 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:24.720 like running back value, you want to pick a running 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:26.600 back in the third round, Like that's where the value is. 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:28.320 And I think a lot of these guys are guys 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:31.520 that fit that billing, that are good football players and 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:34.000 add value because they have a kind of a specific 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:35.560 superpower that they bring to the table. 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:38.800 Right where Washington got Brian Robinson as an example, is 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:40.640 a third round pretty good talent there. 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:42.760 Antonio Gibson too, right, Yeah, and that's. 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:46.160 Been a trend, yeah, Like it used to be teams 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:49.560 taking running backs in the top five, right, And definitely 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:53.240 in the first round that was very valued. Now it's 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.520 not that running backs aren't valued for a team, of 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:57.880 course he are, but it's like you can find later 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:00.880 value with running backs. So it started to it's just 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:04.440 a trend in the NFL. Well, wide receivers flying up right, 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:07.200 we could see a lot of these wide receivers going 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:08.320 in the first round. 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:10.280 And I think a big reason for that with the 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:12.320 receivers specifically, and we're going to talk about them more 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:14.640 detail in a second is there's a lot of those 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:17.839 dynamic playmakers in that group, a lot of them. I mean, 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:20.160 there's probably eight guys going to go on the first round. 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:21.760 There's a bunch of guys in the second round where 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:25.080 you say, man, this guy in last year's class, like 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:27.000 this is going to sound crazy, but you know, Johnny 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:30.280 Wilson is probably the first receiver taken in last year's 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:33.720 draft class, Like that's how bad last year's draft class was. 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:36.680 And this year he's probably the twelfth, fifteenth guy on 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:38.680 the list. So yeah, I think there's a lot of 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:41.760 that going on here in terms of it's just a 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.000 saturated class with dudes that can make plays on the 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:48.040 football and make your offense significantly more explosive with with 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:48.679 one pick. 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:52.200 Yeah, it's also the way that they that the league 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:55.200 is moving, right, they're moving to the more pass catchers, right, 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:58.400 the more pass heavy offense. Excuse me, and you want 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:01.200 more dynamic playmakers. You don't just want one guy, you 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:03.800 want two guys, maybe even three guys in your wide 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.359 receiver room that are weapons that other teams need the 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:11.400 game plan floor for, and that includes now running backs. Right, 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:14.160 running backs are becoming more and more and more a 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.440 part of that passing game. And we saw it here 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:20.599 with the Commanders with Brian Robinson this last offseason. So 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:23.240 before last season started catching the ball a lot in 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:26.880 training camp, right caught the ball a lot more in 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:30.480 season than he did the year before. So we're starting 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.359 to see pass catching is important with running back. So 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:35.120 let's go to the running backs here, the first to 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:37.559 go today, and let's talk about some of the guys 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:41.359 that kind of showed that pure running back ability and 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:46.640 then what that means for them if they're not pass catchers. First. 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:49.080 Yeah, So I think I think it's important that when 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:50.960 we're talking about the running back group today is talking 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:52.800 about the two guys I think probably like one the 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:57.800 combine Isaac Gwendero from Louisville was a guy that absolutely, 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:01.080 I mean absolutely murdered the combine a testing standboint. Like 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:04.640 his numbers are kind of unbelievable. He ran a four 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.000 to three at six foot two hundred twenty one pounds. 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:09.080 He had a forty one and a half inch vertical 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:12.599 jump and a ten to nine broad So crazy explosive athlete. 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:14.720 And when you watch the film at Louisville, he kind 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.120 of falls in that traditional runner bucket a little bit. 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:18.560 He kind of reminds me a little bit of Breese 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:20.680 Haall on how they used him at Iowa State, And 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:22.159 what I mean by that is they ran a lot 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.200 of kind of inside zone runs and he never really 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:26.840 got to be like that playmaker. But I do think 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:29.120 at the NFL level, because of that speed, because of 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:31.960 those explosive measurements, when you go back and watch his film, 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:34.560 you see that even on the inside zone stuff where 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:37.600 he gets some air and some grass, he's able to 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:40.080 create explosive plays. And I think even though he kind 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:43.040 of falls in that traditional runner bucket a little bit more, 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.480 he still catches the ball pretty well. And I think 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:48.520 that's the thing you see with this running back class. 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:51.080 That's unique, and I think it's kind of this kind 0:06:51.120 --> 0:06:54.000 of mirrors this trend you're talking about with offenses getting 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:57.080 more pass centric. Even guys that are kind of traditional 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:01.359 runners catch the football naturally. Actually then runners. Did you 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:03.159 know ten years ago when I was playing, and so 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:04.680 he's a guy I wanted to give a shout out to. 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:07.799 And also Jalen Right from Tennessee, you know not didn't 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:09.600 wasn't used in the past game at Tennessee, but he 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.000 ran a four to three eight today, had the fastest 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:14.840 miles per hour for a five yard split of any 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:17.480 running back over the last three years at the combine. 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.640 So very dynamic, explosive guy. He led the nation in 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:24.760 explosive rushes last year for the Tennessee Volunteers. So he's 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:27.480 five to eleven, he's two hundred and ten pounds, but 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:30.480 has this explosive skill set. So again, not a true 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:33.280 pass catcher necessarily. But I think when you're a scout 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.800 and you look at this, you say, hey, man, like this, dude, 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:39.400 these guys are kind of falling that falling that weapons 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:41.680 category because speed kills. I think you just have to 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:44.360 look at Miami and how they've addressed the running back position. 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:46.440 Maybe not a h and I think was unique and 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.200 that he was a very skilled playmaker and runner. But 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:51.240 moster a is a guy that I think fits this 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:54.720 gold He's got explosive qualities and they've built an offense 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:56.320 around what he does well. And I think you could 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:57.800 do that with both of these guys. 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.320 What are some other guys that stuck out? Those were 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:02.240 the speachers who was rid of two fastest times for 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:04.720 the running backs that ran the four free three for 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:08.560 Isaac in the four three eight for Jalen. What are 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:10.280 some of the other guys that stuck out to you? 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:13.640 And why if they're not, is it because they blended 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:18.360 well with rushing and passing or talk to me about 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:19.960 those guys first and we'll lean to more of the 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:20.720 pass catching back. 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:23.200 Sure, so I think, yeah, Like there's like Ray Davis 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:25.680 is the guy from Kentucky who's just at every step 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.960 of the His film's good. His senior ball was very solid, 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:31.840 His combine performance was very solid. He ran a four 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:33.640 to four, which is faster than I thought he would run. 0:08:33.679 --> 0:08:35.800 But got that natural vision like when they do the 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.439 bag drills. He doesn't get flummixed like when they have 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:40.720 to read the bag. His feet are always under him. 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:43.160 He's kind of this bowling ball build. I think he 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:45.360 does catch the ball again, does catch the ball better, 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:47.760 but it's more of a traditional worker back. But I 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:49.839 think today he got the show that he catched the ball. 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.680 Not He's not Dylan Laub or any of these guys 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:54.720 that are like almost receivers in terms of how they 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:58.960 catch the ball, but very skilled. Kamani val Valdall excuse me, 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:02.400 another guy that is a traditional runner. And again you 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:04.319 see he ran a four to four to seven. Awesome 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.640 for him, kind of showing that explosive measurement, but good vision, 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:12.200 good power, good contact balance, but more of a traditional back. 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:14.280 You know. Brandon Allen, the guy from Wisconsin, didn't run 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:16.400 his forty today, but in the bag drills you see 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:19.880 his tremendous size. He's sixty three, he's two fifty. He 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:21.720 runs pretty well, he moves pretty well. I think he 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:23.599 catches the ball, okay, because he had to do that 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:25.920 last year at Wisconsin. They're getting away from their traditional 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:29.040 power running stuff. But in my mind, in the way, 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:30.520 I think a lot of scouts look at him a 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:33.880 traditional runner, right, and I think that's where those guys 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:36.200 stood out to me as having unique skill sets. But 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:38.839 I'm also like, I think it's interesting that even though 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:42.360 they are kind of these traditional runners, they aren't liabilities 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:44.000 in the past game and they were able to show 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:46.120 that today. So guys that stuck out to me again 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:48.440 because they I think they tested pretty solid, but also 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:50.319 their field work was good, and I think one of 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:52.640 the things, like with Brandon Allen, for example, he didn't 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:54.760 test he had two drops today, But the thing that 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.520 I liked about him is how he moved. There wasn't 0:09:57.520 --> 0:09:59.560 a lot of tightness in how he moved. He's just 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.560 a big, kind of flexible guy, and I think that 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.400 there's a role for him at the next level, where 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:07.640 prior to today, I was a little bit concerned about 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.320 him just being too stiff and too big, and I 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:12.559 think all those guys kind of were in that bucket 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:14.959 and they all showed, hey, I can do something more 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:16.280 than just pound between the tackles. 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:20.760 Basically, let's talk about Marshall Lloyd from USC because he 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:23.760 might be the first running back off the board whenever 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.720 that is. It looks like he's trending to be that way, okay, 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:30.320 and he has good film. He did very well at 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:33.880 the senior role. The knock on him, or one of 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:36.080 the knocks on him is yeah, but he played with 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:39.160 Caleb Williams, so there's not he's not running in the 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:43.360 boxes eight man boxes because they respect Caleb so much, 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:46.119 they're backing out. He runs a lot out of the shotgun, 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:49.360 which may be a good thing these days there's a 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.000 lot of running out of the shotgun in the NFL. 0:10:51.160 --> 0:10:53.320 But that used to be a knock, right, is that 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:57.360 he wasn't getting in that behind when the quarterback was 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:01.000 under center and running from behind that. So what about 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:05.440 him stood out today or were you like, you know, 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:08.040 some of these concerns that I'm seeing that people are 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:10.920 talking about because I'm playing with Caleb Williams starting to 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:12.480 see which way did you go today? 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:15.480 So every again, he's a guy that I liked his film, 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:18.240 and again when you mentioned it, when you watch his film, 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:20.839 they're running into a lot of five man boxes, right, 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:22.800 He's got very favorable numbers. But I think at the 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:25.440 Senior Ball you just see a guy who's a good 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:27.520 football player, you know, I think he catches the ball 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:29.280 better than people think. At the Senior Bowl, got a 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.080 bunch of wheel routes. I think looked very in control 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:34.720 catching the football here today. And I think he's got 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:37.960 the size. I think he's six six footish two hundred 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:41.400 and seventeen pounds, and he's got the violent running style, 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:44.760 you like, he wants to finish runs and he's got 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:49.240 an aggressive kind of who's the running back for Kansas 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:50.480 City with it runs so hard? 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:50.880 Check out? 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:52.440 Yeah, but he's got a little bit of that to 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:55.200 his running style, and I think and I think he 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:56.960 also catches the football well, So I think, to me, 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.040 he that's why I think he's going to be one 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:02.560 of the first backs because he's not super flash, but 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:05.600 he's super consistent and I think that's something that I value. 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:08.440 And every step of the process. Film was consistent, Senior 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:12.440 Bowl was consistent, combine performance was consistent, and they're to me, 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:15.560 as an evaluator of talent, there's value in the guys 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:17.920 that just come to each event and are like, hey, 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:20.480 you want me to run routes with the receivers, because 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:22.160 he did do that after he stayed and did like 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:24.680 receiver route tree, which I don't think of him as 0:12:24.720 --> 0:12:26.720 but I like that he's willing to try that. I'm like, 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:28.440 I like the he was able to show off his 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:31.280 hands in that way. But he's a guy that, again 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:34.520 just every stage of the process, does a great job. 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:36.920 Not super flashy, but I could see a team taking 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:38.600 a shot on him late in the second round, earlier 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:39.240 in the third. 0:12:39.120 --> 0:12:41.200 And guys that stood around to run some of those 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:43.360 receiver routes to show scouts that they can do. That 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:48.280 was a Dylan Woub from New Hampshire. Ye, let's talk 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:50.720 about him a little bit because he's interesting with this group. 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:53.240 He's very interesting with this group because I think one 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:55.160 of the things about his film he runs like in 0:12:55.200 --> 0:13:00.680 this kind of shotgun spread offense and not the most 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:04.160 dynamic runner. And what I mean by that is he's fast, 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:07.040 he's powerful, but he just doesn't have a lot of 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:09.439 shake in the hole, and then all of that kind 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:12.160 of goes away when he gets They line him up 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:14.040 in the slot quite a bit on linebackers, and he 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:17.120 runs a tremendous route tree and so it's almost like 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:19.800 he's a slot receiver that moonlights as a running back. 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:22.280 So I do think that that's something you know, very 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:26.000 not he's not this player, obviously, but very Christian McCaffrey 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:28.280 ask in terms of his ability to kind of line 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:30.160 up and run like a traditional route tree, like a 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:32.920 slot receiver, I think he's a little too stiff for 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:34.680 some of that. But in terms of his ability to 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:38.240 run a choice route, to run a deep post from outside, 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:40.760 like he's got that in his bag, and I think 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:44.760 he kind of represents the direction the position is going. 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:47.160 And I could see a team definitely taking a flyer 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:51.120 on him as a guy, a developmental punt return, special 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.520 teams type, guy that could be kind of a Danny 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:57.600 Woodhead at some point for them. A guy that runs 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:01.200 well in between the tackles, but also and find those 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:03.920 matchups win on a choice route, running an option route, 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.840 much like an Edelman or an Amondola would kind of 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:09.320 that similar body type. And again, if you can find 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.680 players that can create matchups through personnel like he can, 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.000 I believe you feel pretty good about it. 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:18.680 So, speaking of guys that catch the ball, yep, let's 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:19.960 move on to the wide receivers. 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.200 Yeah, yeah, cool, let's do it all right. There a 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:23.080 lot of guys to talk about it. 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:26.440 Yeah, there's a lot. So let's talk about the big dogs. 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.000 The big dogs, the ones that everybody's heard their names. 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:33.000 One hundred times. But there's a reason. Yeah, And boy 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:36.040 did they remind you why they're the ones that you 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:38.160 talk about all the time at the combine because they 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:38.560 look good. 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:39.320 Yeah. 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:42.960 So I'm gonna I'm gonna say, why don't we start 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:46.160 with one of the best names in the combine right now? 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:47.600 Roma Donza. 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.480 D It's a great name, what a name, but it's 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.000 a great wide receive. So first off, everyone knew that 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:56.080 he was going to come in and he wasn't going 0:14:56.120 --> 0:14:58.240 to light the world on fire from a forty standpoint, 0:14:58.240 --> 0:14:59.640 but he took care of business. He ran a four 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:03.200 to four great job. Check that box. Explosive measurements good, 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:05.720 check that box. And the thing that just kind of 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.160 sealed the deal for me and him, obviously his film 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.600 was outstanding is when he ran routes. So he was 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:13.040 in the second group, and so we got to see 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:15.200 everybody run, they're slipping their phone, they can't on the 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.200 same page with the receivers, and I just felt like 0:15:17.280 --> 0:15:19.880 every route that he ran, he's able to sink his hips, 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:23.120 he's under control, he's underbalance, he's getting out quickly, he's 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:25.560 catching with his hands, and I just thought that is 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.760 what a first round potentially top five player at the position, 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.000 no potentially top five player in the draft. Looks like 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:35.360 just came in and just checked every question mark off 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:37.640 for me, and I was like, that's exactly what we 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:40.040 want to see from a potential top five pick. So 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:42.560 he had a great combine in my opinion, I think 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:43.800 he got a little tired near the end of the 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:46.880 on field stuff because we'll talk about the quarterbacks here 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:48.320 in a minute, but they were really helping him out. 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:50.800 But I thought his consistency in the in the gauntlet 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:53.800 drill is consistently, it's consistently with the route tree, and 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:56.240 it's just his route running fundamentals like his ability to 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:59.680 run the comeback, the curl, the deep dig. All that 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:01.800 stuff was on full display. And that just gets me 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:03.760 fired up because to me, one of the hardest routes 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.520 for big receivers to run is that is that fifteen 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:08.880 to twenty yard comeback, and he just made it look 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:11.880 incredibly easy, and so I had no more questions, Like 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:13.520 he was who he thought he was. He gets comped 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:15.680 to Larry Fitzgerald. I think that's a very good comp 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:17.800 He's not going to kill you with vertical speed, but 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:21.000 he's a great contested catch guy. He runs excellent, his 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:23.560 excellent route running fundamentals, and he just put that on 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:24.200 display for us. 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:27.480 Yeah, he looked really smooth, really smooth for as big 0:16:27.520 --> 0:16:30.000 as he is, right, he just looks smooth. And speaking 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:34.480 of guys that ran nice routes as well, Brian Thomas 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:38.360 Junior from LSU, Yeah, the other LSU receiver. 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:40.480 Not moleage neighbors obviously, and so he measured in at 0:16:40.480 --> 0:16:43.440 six y three I think two ten, So bigger guy obviously, 0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:45.800 and dropped a couple of balls. But one of the 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:47.680 things that I had a question with with him coming 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:49.240 in is I knew he was going to be fast, 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.040 and I think he ran a four three five or 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:54.960 four three four, So he was fast. But with fast guys, 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:56.480 one of the questions you have is can they run 0:16:56.520 --> 0:16:58.800 a full route tree or can they run something resembling 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:00.800 a full route tree. And so he did a great 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:04.320 job with the gauntlet, very smooth, but he also ran 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:08.960 the curl, the comeback, the dig and with good fundamentals, 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:12.359 smooth in and out of his cuts, didn't get bogged 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:13.840 down the way some of these other guys were going 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:16.439 to talk about later. And I just felt like you know, 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:18.040 he had a couple drops, and I'm with that they're 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:20.160 probably going to be on Sports Center. But in terms 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:21.960 of the things that he needed to answer for me 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.720 as an evaluator, came in and ran fast. You're supposed 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:28.200 to be fast, run fast, Jack, and can you run routes? 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:30.679 I thought he ran excellent routes on air, and I 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:32.879 thought he showed great route running fundamentals. So to me, 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:34.520 I think he just knocked it out of the park 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:36.639 and I think he jumped a lot of these other 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:38.000 guys were going to talk about later. 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:40.919 Yeah, so I want to bring up something with him 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:44.280 real quick, because you're like, yeah, he dropped the ball whatever. 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:46.720