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Speaker 1: In today's episode of Tickets to the Draft, We've got

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Speaker 1: the skill guys, the playmakers, the running backs, the wide receivers.

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Speaker 1: You've got record breaking forties, we've got aliens, six to

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Speaker 1: seven wide receivers. We've got receivers pretending to be horses

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Speaker 1: out there. Man, it was wild. We got quarterbacks Adrian McCarthy,

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Speaker 1: Bowe Nicks, Michael Pennix Junior, and the quarterback boards are shuffling.

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Speaker 1: That all starts right out. Welcome on into the Tickets

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Speaker 1: and Draft Podcast presented by Sea Geek, the official primary

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Speaker 1: ticketing partner of the Washington Commanders. I'm Logan Paulson here

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Speaker 1: with Jessic Guy Jason, and we are just finishing up

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Speaker 1: Day three of the combine receivers, running backs, and quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: And it was a marathon of a day, but a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun because these are the guys, are the

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Speaker 1: playmakers in this year's draft class.

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Speaker 2: This is the best day of the combine. Thanks to

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Speaker 2: Sea Geek, we had the best seat in the house

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Speaker 2: right well, we really did. We had a good time.

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Speaker 2: You were getting up with your exercise bands and working

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Speaker 2: out halfway through because it's a lot of I mean,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of guys to watch here, But man,

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Speaker 2: is it fun watching these guys do their drills, watching

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Speaker 2: these quarterbacks spin it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, And again, the the top top guys didn't participate, right,

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Speaker 1: so who are they? They're Caleb Williams, Jane Daniels, Drake

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Speaker 1: May didn't do anything.

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Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison Junior.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Marvin Harrison Junior, the leak Neighbors didn't participate. But

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Speaker 1: I think with the quarterbacks that second tier guys is

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Speaker 1: really fun. Specifically JJ McCarthy man, like, he's so interesting

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Speaker 1: watching his film, watching him throw today. And then honestly,

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Speaker 1: like people talk about Malik Neighbors not not participating, Marvin

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Speaker 1: Harrison Junior not participating, I mean it was great to

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Speaker 1: watch Brian Thomas Jr. And romadonsay, Man, he is a

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Speaker 1: special prospect, you know.

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Speaker 2: And so that wide receiver group is special, right. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot of really good players here, and when we

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Speaker 2: break them down, we're gonna do running backs, then wide

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Speaker 2: receivers in quarterbacks. When we break down the wide receivers,

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Speaker 2: like we're gonna we're gonna nitpick yep, because you're all

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Speaker 2: really good. So I just want our listeners to keep

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Speaker 2: that in mind. When we're looking at, like what differentiates

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Speaker 2: ride receiver group, it's going to be it's going to

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Speaker 2: be the smallest details. They're all very good.

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Speaker 1: They're all very good, and if you disagree, please leave

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Speaker 1: a comment. You know, Like again, we're trying to flesh

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Speaker 1: out all of our evaluations and if you guys see

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Speaker 1: something different, we'd love to talk to you about it,

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Speaker 1: So make sure you leave a comment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. Now a group that may not have as

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Speaker 2: many top end of the drafts players is the running backs.

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Speaker 2: Now why do you think that is with this class specifically?

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, like there's just not that guy,

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Speaker 1: you know, like last year there was the Jamir Gibbs,

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Speaker 1: and I think they were special and I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: but Gibbs ran a four three and six four three eight,

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Speaker 1: what you'll find with the NFL and at the NFL

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Speaker 1: devalues running backs. The value tight ends the values linebackers

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's that game changer at the position.

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Speaker 1: And when you talk to guys scouts and coaches at

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Speaker 2: Right where Washington got Brian Robinson as an example, is

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Speaker 1: Antonio Gibson too, right, Yeah, and that's.

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Speaker 2: Been a trend, yeah, Like it used to be teams

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Speaker 2: in the first round that was very valued. Now it's

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Speaker 1: And I think a big reason for that with the

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Speaker 1: detail in a second is there's a lot of those

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Speaker 1: There's a bunch of guys in the second round where

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Speaker 1: And this year he's probably the twelfth, fifteenth guy on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also the way that they that the league

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think I think it's important that when

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Speaker 1: And also Jalen Right from Tennessee, you know not didn't

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Speaker 2: And why if they're not, is it because they blended

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Speaker 1: Sure, so I think, yeah, Like there's like Ray Davis

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, cool, let's do it all right. There a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot. So let's talk about the big dogs.

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Speaker 2: The big dogs, the ones that everybody's heard their names.

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Speaker 1: he had a great combine in my opinion, I think

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Speaker 1: he's a great contested catch guy. He runs excellent, his

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he looked really smooth, really smooth for as big

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Speaker 1: I think it's important to acknowledge that this is an

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Speaker 1: extremely stressful environment. You know, this is this is an

434
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Speaker 1: opportunity to kind of be like, you know, like every

435
00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,119
Speaker 1: drop means something. They can cascade, then they can become

436
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Speaker 1: multiple drops. But again, the thing I wanted to see

437
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Speaker 1: was foot speed, hip ability to sink your hips in

438
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Speaker 1: and out of routes, and I thought he did a

439
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Speaker 1: great job of that in a way that I was

440
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Speaker 1: not expecting. And it makes you believe there's a foundation

441
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Speaker 1: there for a true X receiver, which is ultimately what

442
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Speaker 1: you're looking for when you're looking for kind of that

443
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Speaker 1: stud playmaking guy that can line up on the ball

444
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Speaker 1: versus man and man coverage and win for you.

445
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Speaker 2: So yeah, and speaking of the studs, let's talk about

446
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Speaker 2: liget behavior. Leget from why am I blanking South Carolina?

447
00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:49,359
Speaker 2: So all the schools run together, all the names and

448
00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,840
Speaker 2: schools run together. But he's not in the same category,

449
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Speaker 2: I would say as the Romo dunes A certainly, or

450
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Speaker 2: the Brian Thomas junior. He's like just outside of that,

451
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Speaker 2: maybe like late first round, second round.

452
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Speaker 1: Maybe it was like a second round player. And I

453
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Speaker 1: think this is this is this is a guy that

454
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Speaker 1: I just I kind of you just fall in love

455
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Speaker 1: with a little bit because he just every everyone you

456
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Speaker 1: talk to says he's a great kid. He works really hard,

457
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Speaker 1: a little up and down at the Senior Bowl. And

458
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Speaker 1: I also wanted to bring this up WHI we're talking

459
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Speaker 1: about receivers because I think, thinking back on our Senior

460
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Speaker 1: Bowl content, I don't know if we acknowledge this well enough,

461
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Speaker 1: but it's the first time they're playing padded football in months,

462
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Speaker 1: and they're working with new receivers and sometimes they get

463
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Speaker 1: at a little out of whack. And I just honestly

464
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Speaker 1: was blown away with him because at the Senior Bowl

465
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Speaker 1: we didn't get to see kind of his full repertoire

466
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Speaker 1: of stuff. And he came out here. He didn't drop

467
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Speaker 1: a ball, He ran really fast. He looked huge. I

468
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Speaker 1: think he was like two two twenty five.

469
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Speaker 2: His legs look big.

470
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Speaker 1: Like him and Lad mcconchney were standing next to each other,

471
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Speaker 1: and they look like different species of human being.

472
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're the same height, Like they're about the

473
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Speaker 2: same height. Yeah, but he just get just looks bigger.

474
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Speaker 2: I think, did you writ what did you write down?

475
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Speaker 1: In you he's a horse, like I wrote down to

476
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Speaker 1: see a horse question mark, Like he was standing next

477
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Speaker 1: to Luke McCaffrey and they're exactly the same height, and

478
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,359
Speaker 1: they and Xavier just looks so much bigger than him,

479
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Speaker 1: and and the other thing. I was just impressed with

480
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Speaker 1: how he ran routes, the consistency with which he ran routes.

481
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Speaker 1: Guys are slipping all over the place. He didn't slip

482
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Speaker 1: one time his feet runder him. All these criticisms about

483
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Speaker 1: him not being able to run routes, him not be

484
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Speaker 1: able to sink his hips, him not be able to

485
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Speaker 1: adjust the football in the air at a high level.

486
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Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't see any of that today.

487
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Speaker 2: He didn't drop a single ball today, Yeah, which not

488
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Speaker 2: that's uncommon, right as all these guys drop at least

489
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Speaker 2: one ball, like whether it's in the gaullet or one

490
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Speaker 2: of the roundtrees, because it's just a badly thrown ball.

491
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Speaker 2: But not him. He made adjustments to it, he called it,

492
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Speaker 2: he grabbed it, even on the bad balls.

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Speaker 1: He was special today, absolutely, And there was a kind

494
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Speaker 1: of an element of like what we talked about with

495
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Speaker 1: quinnyon Mitchell, like it's not always perfect, but he's got

496
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Speaker 1: so much horsepower out of his cuts, like the way

497
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Speaker 1: he can close to a football is very special. Ran

498
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Speaker 1: a four to three nine today, forty inch vertical, ten

499
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Speaker 1: to six broad. You're just like he answered, he was

500
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Speaker 1: supposed to be physical free. He was a physical freak.

501
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Speaker 1: And then on top of that, I thought he showed

502
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Speaker 1: a great technical acumen. So he's the guy that, to

503
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Speaker 1: me like kind of falls in that top group today

504
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Speaker 1: as as someone who sort of won the day, and

505
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Speaker 1: I think deserves a lot of credit for whatever he's

506
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Speaker 1: done between the Senior Bowl and now to get himself

507
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Speaker 1: ready to go. Didn't look out of shape at all,

508
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Speaker 1: looked totally fine. Some of the other guys get a

509
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Speaker 1: little heavy legged as the day goes on. I just

510
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Speaker 1: give him a ton of credit. Came out for one

511
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Speaker 1: of the biggest shop interviews of his life, and I

512
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Speaker 1: think he just, at least from the on field portion,

513
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Speaker 1: just aced it.

514
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he did a great job. Now let's move on

515
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Speaker 2: to the wide receivers who were the just a steady

516
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Speaker 2: at his studies. We knew what they were in film,

517
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Speaker 2: which is good players, and they came out here to

518
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Speaker 2: comment and said, Hey, guess what, we're good players. We're

519
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Speaker 2: going to confirm that for you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, Lad mcconchney was a guy that

521
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Speaker 1: seener Bowl super steady here, very steady. I think there's

522
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Speaker 1: some physicality issues that make you think, oh, like where

523
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Speaker 1: does he actually fall? During the broadcast they made a

524
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Speaker 1: comparison to Garrett Wilson physically from a height, weight, speed standpoint,

525
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Speaker 1: They're very somewhere, but they have very different play styles

526
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Speaker 1: but consistent route runner. Love to see that. Luke McCaffrey

527
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Speaker 1: a guy that I think a lot of people have

528
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Speaker 1: kind of pushed off, as you know, Christian McCaffrey's brother,

529
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Speaker 1: all that kind of thing, like in the Gauntlet Drill.

530
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Speaker 1: He reminded me of what Puka Nakua did in the

531
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Speaker 1: Gauntlet Trill and when the whole point of the Gauntlet

532
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Speaker 1: Trill is to run as fast as you can, not

533
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Speaker 1: lose any speed, and stay on the ground.

534
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Speaker 2: Don't jump when trying to catch the ball.

535
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Speaker 1: And he did that at a very very high level.

536
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Speaker 1: Jakwan Jackson from Tulane, No Tulsa from Tulsa, Tulsa.

537
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Speaker 2: Jakwan Jackson, No, he's still ling too lane.

538
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Speaker 1: Sorry, Yeah, I thought he just came out and showed

539
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Speaker 1: that elite twitch that you wanted to see from him.

540
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Speaker 1: He's a smaller guy five to ten two hundred is

541
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Speaker 1: two hundred and five pounds, but snappy like Santana Moss,

542
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: snappy in and out of his cuts. Was not always

543
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Speaker 1: on the same page with the quarterback. Again, I don't

544
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Speaker 1: give that as him, but the superpower you needed to

545
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 1: see from him. He came out and showed you that.

546
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not as fast as Santanamo's. Just to get

547
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Speaker 2: that clear. Yeah, about four two you're talking about the twitch.

548
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, the twitch in and out of his cuts, his

549
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 1: ability to like violently throw his feet into the ground

550
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Speaker 1: and then not lose any speed coming out. Yeah, and

551
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Speaker 1: we liked him at the Senior Bowl. I thought he

552
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 1: came out, showed showed a very solid performance.

553
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Speaker 2: He had a route today where his shoulders went over

554
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 2: his feet correct right, and he kept his balance and

555
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 2: popped up and cut violently the other direction. And you

556
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 2: were like, that's really hard to do by having your

557
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Speaker 2: shoulders go over your feet, maintain your balance and still gain.

558
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Speaker 1: Speed, like really nerdy route running. People call it like

559
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: a sense of false acceleration. And so what you do

560
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: is you throw your chest forward as you're slowing down

561
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Speaker 1: and it makes the DV think you're trying to run

562
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Speaker 1: by them and it's and it's hard. It's hard to

563
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Speaker 1: do that at a high level, and he showed that

564
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Speaker 1: he could do it. And so that is someone you circle.

565
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 1: You say, I don't know what his exact role is

566
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: at the next level, punt returner, third fourth receiver that

567
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: comes in man man situations, but that physical skill set

568
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 1: was there, which is great to see. And then Brendan

569
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Speaker 1: Rice from USC obviously Jerry Rice's son, just I think

570
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: he ran well for how big he is, Like everyone

571
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 1: was worried he was going to be slow. I think

572
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: he ran a four was it a four to four

573
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: seven something like that, ran well, jumped well, and then

574
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: was just super consistent on the field like he was

575
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Speaker 1: consistent at the Senior Bowl. He's consistent here and I

576
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Speaker 1: like that.

577
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Speaker 2: And I felt bad for him because he had a

578
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 2: lot of bad balls, like uncatchable balls thre in his way.

579
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Speaker 1: But is he in the first group or the second?

580
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 2: He was in the second group. But even with that,

581
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 2: and you could see his frustration a little bit. And

582
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Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to speak for him. I

583
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 2: don't know if his frustration was where how the balls

584
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 2: were thrown or that he didn't catch them or whatever,

585
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 2: but you could tell that, like it doesn't matter if

586
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 2: I catched the ball or not. He was going out there.

587
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 2: He was going to run the route the best he could,

588
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 2: very very steady.

589
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Speaker 1: Another guy that was in pretty good shape throughout the

590
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Speaker 1: whole thing. A ton of routes and again, every time

591
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 1: you drop the ball in these drills, they make you

592
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 1: go again, and so you can get easily during these periods,

593
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Speaker 1: which are about an hour and a half long, a

594
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: thousand high speed yard cards, which is very, very taxing

595
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: on the body, So kudos him. And then Jaylen Polk

596
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 1: is a guy from you dub who I don't know

597
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: what he is at the next level because he's got

598
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: a little bit of stiffness, but never drops the ball,

599
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: runs good routes and his film is awesome in terms

600
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 1: of contested catchability. And he just came out and did

601
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 1: that today, you know, on the field and in an

602
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: environment where there's a lot of bad balls, where there's

603
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: people missing throws, like he made the quarterback right a

604
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: lot diving on the ground. There was one where they

605
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: run like an inn to a high corner and he

606
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: tracked the ball well and dove on the ground and

607
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: Romo Dunze comes up to him and lifts him up,

608
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 1: and everyone's jacked up. And so that that's the kind

609
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: of player he is, and that's kup of energy that

610
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: he brings, and.

611
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,159
Speaker 2: That's what you see in his film. He he's an

612
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: alpha for that ball. He says, it's mine, I'm going

613
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 2: to go get it. It's a little bit. He doesn't

614
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 2: look like Terry McLaurin. I'm not going to say that,

615
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 2: but when Terry goes to get those fifty to fifty balls,

616
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: he has that like this is mine. Yeah, I'm the

617
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 2: one that's coming down with it. That's what Polk looks like.

618
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 1: And he's built a little bit different than Terry.

619
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 2: He's different wider back, and.

620
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: That physicality and the mentality. So those those guys for

621
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: me are just like I think they're good football players.

622
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: I think there are some physical limitations in some cases,

623
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: you know, lads a little bit on the small side,

624
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: pokes a little bit stiff, But I just in terms

625
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: of the nuance of playing the position, I think they

626
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: just do a great job with it.

627
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 2: Let's not forget about Ricky pearsol.

628
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: Oh, our guy Ricky Pets.

629
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 2: Let's not forget he actually had four one.

630
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: I know, but like he's he's a guy that you know,

631
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: like you want to put him in the steady eddie,

632
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: but I think it's he ran a four four one.

633
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: He also had a forty one inch vertical. I think

634
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: he had eleven foot broad jump and for a little

635
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: for a guy that everyone thought was just kind of

636
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: a slot receiver, those are explosive horsepower measurements that I

637
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: would kind of think about even putting him into a

638
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 1: winners category for the day, because not only did he

639
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: test extremely well, he ran great routes like we thought

640
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: he would, great change in direction. He's a little bit

641
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: smaller upper body wise seeing him in person than I

642
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: thought he would be, But I don't really care about

643
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: that because he's a guy that's going to fit some

644
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: type of role at the next level. And you know,

645
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: if you're looking for a receiver that I would be

646
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: ecstatic about playing here in Washington, who could be that

647
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: three that kind of Curtis Samuel or replacement if necessary,

648
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 1: I would jump at the chance in the third round

649
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: if he's still there, to run that ticket up because

650
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: he you watch his film in college it's excellent. You

651
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: watch how he tests it, and to see him test

652
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: better than expected, you're just like this guy could be

653
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: a I don't want to say a dynamic playmaker because

654
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: that's overstating, but a consistent playmaker at the NFL level.

655
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 2: Well, another guy that in that vein the combine really

656
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: helped him out, really pushed them up. I think tes

657
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: Walker stood out today and he needed to have a

658
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: good day, and he did right so real quickly he

659
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: ran a four to three six, which is great.

660
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: And jumped out the gym if I remember correctly, I

661
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: don't know if you looked it up. Look it up

662
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: while I'm talking real quick. Sure, but a guy that

663
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl had a hard time catching the football,

664
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: just was not very consistent catching the football. And it's

665
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: a red flag because on film you see him also

666
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: drop the football, and so you're kind of like, man,

667
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 1: the most important part of playing receiver at the NFL level,

668
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: at any level is catching the football. I don't care

669
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: how fast you are, I don't care how big you are,

670
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: I don't care how twitched up you are. If you

671
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: can't catch the football, that's concerning. And so today he

672
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 1: came out and we've already talked a little bit about

673
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: how challenging it is for these receivers to catch balls

674
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: from new players. He didn't drop a ball, he didn't

675
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: drop a ball. He ran excellent routes. I mean, you

676
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: still see some of the issues with his rot running technique.

677
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: He's a little high hipped, he has a hard time sinking.

678
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: But I think he's violent with his feet and a

679
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: guy that could be again like kind of in that

680
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: Wallace from Pittsburgh over the top playmaker if he can

681
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: kind of catch the football the way he did today.

682
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: So I think, again in the vein of a guy

683
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: who needed to kind of answer a lot of questions

684
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: in a big time job interview, he did that. I mean,

685
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: there's so many they probably caught fifty balls today, or

686
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: had the opportunity to catch about fifty balls. Now that's

687
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: probably too much. Thirty to thirty five balls. He didn't

688
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: drop one of them. So didn't drop it in the gauntlet,

689
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: didn't drop it in the warm up. You can tell

690
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 1: that was a point of emphasis for him, and I

691
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: think that's awesome that he came out and kind of

692
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: put his stamp on that.

693
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, he looked fantastic. I was pleasantly surprised to see that,

694
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 2: especially after the tough Senior Bowl the last time I

695
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: saw him a four to three, six forty yard dash

696
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: of forty point five vertical monster pretty good and eleven

697
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 2: two monster.

698
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: Those are monster explosive numbers. And so for him again

699
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: to come out test so well, jump like that, run

700
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: like that in a big moment, it's hard to do that. Man,

701
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: there's fans there, there's scouts there, everyone gets a little

702
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: bit tight, little bit of tense. I think he just

703
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: did a great job again, and all the questions that

704
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: came up in the Senior Bowl, like kind of not

705
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: answering all of them because he still fights the football

706
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: a little bit. He still he's not the most natural catcher,

707
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,479
Speaker 1: but I liked it. That was a point of emphasis

708
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: for him. So I'd say he's also kind of in

709
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: that pseudo winner category for sure.

710
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: All right, well let's look the other direction, right the winner.

711
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: I don't want to say a loser, because nobody hears

712
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: a loser. They're all NFL dwalent And like I said,

713
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: we're gonna be nitpicky, we're gonna split some hairs. But

714
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: a guy that came in here that we're all that.

715
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: We said, all right, let's see if you can check

716
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 2: some boxes. Was Keon Coleman from Florida State.

717
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Keon Coleman is a guy that I love.

718
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: I love watching this film. He is great. He's probably

719
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: the best contested catch receiver in the class. The problem

720
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: is like he doesn't separate well on film. So he

721
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: needed to come in here and show me something, show

722
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: me something from an explosive speed standpoint. So he comes in,

723
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: he runs a four to six two. Okay, that's not fatal,

724
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: but it's not great. Then you're like, okay, well, if

725
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: he comes in and shows some route running nuance, maybe

726
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: that four to six two isn't an issue. And every

727
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: route that he so. First off, I got to give

728
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,239
Speaker 1: him his flowers. On the gauntlet drill, he did it

729
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: better than anybody at the combine. He sprinted through the thing,

730
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: his feet never left the ground. He caught the ball

731
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: naturally with.

732
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: His twenty miles an hour.

733
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: He was hitting on that, which is what you want

734
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: to see in that droll. So great, great job. But

735
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: anytime we had to change direction, anytime we had to

736
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: run an out, a deep dig, a comeback. He is

737
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: very stiff in his hips and ankles in a way

738
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: that makes it hard for him to sink into breaks.

739
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: And we're gonna talk about Johnny Wilson here in a second,

740
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: But when you watch Johnny Wilson, his kind of counterpart

741
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: at Florida State sink and run routes, it just looks

742
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: completely different. And that to me, when I watched him

743
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: in routes on air today, it became instantly clear why

744
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: his separation percentage is so low compared to everybody else.

745
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: So I think he could have come in here and

746
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: if you would have run a four or five or

747
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: a four four seven, four four nine, it had been like, Okay,

748
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: he's got the vertical speed to be this home run threat.

749
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: But now I think his role becomes a little bit

750
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: nebulous about what he's good at in the NFL. Again,

751
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: contested catch monster, but so was Kanil Harry, a guy

752
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: that could contested catch any out, contested catch anybody, but

753
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: couldn't separate and obviously had a very kind of lackluster

754
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: professional career.

755
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: Ker Coleman, I hope, I hope he's successful. He looks

756
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,479
Speaker 2: like he has all the tools. It's just there it

757
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 2: feels like there's just one thing not clicking. And I

758
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: hope he goes to a team that gets a coaching

759
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: staff around him that like figures it out, because he

760
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 2: is a monster for contested catches and just give him

761
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: that little bit of something that helps him create separation

762
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: so he can be a big success. Yeah, you talked

763
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 2: about Johnny Wilson. I want to lump two guys together.

764
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 2: I want to lump Johnny Wilson and I want to

765
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: lump u Xavier Worthy from Texas. And there's a reason

766
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: I want to lump them together, and that reason is

767
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 2: they came into the combine with a lot of questions

768
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: around them. Did they prove did they answer those questions?

769
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 2: Did they prove it to you? Because Johnny Wilson ran

770
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: a four or five three and it being at six '

771
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: seven and the size he is, We're like, that's good,

772
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: that's great. We're glad we saw that. You said he

773
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: did the rat Sorry Logan, he said he did the

774
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: routes and he sunk his hips and he looked great,

775
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: and you're excited about that. Yeah, right, these are all

776
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 2: positive things. Then, Xavier Worthy, we have questions about his

777
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 2: route tree and what he can do was as far

778
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: as like, can he do these comebacks? Can he do

779
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: all the rout tree h That's basically he comes in

780
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: and he runs a record setting four two one forty.

781
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: That was phenomenal to.

782
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: Watch in the atmosphere.

783
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 2: The atmosphere was a coach. They were showing coaches on

784
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: the board that were like pulling for him, and it

785
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 2: was like it was great. But then he doesn't do anything.

786
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm done for the day. I'm not going

787
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: to run any routes for you. I'm not going to

788
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: show you that i can do these things, even though

789
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 2: there's questions for it. I'm fine with just being the

790
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 2: fastest forty time ever at the combine right whereas Johnny

791
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: Wilson derees. I want to lump him. He does all

792
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: these things we said, we checked the box, good forty,

793
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: looking good in it, rounds and jump. But then halfway

794
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 2: through the drills he's like, I'm good, Yeah, I'm done. Now.

795
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: He could have an injury, we don't.

796
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: Know, or his agent could have said yeah agent, he just.

797
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 2: But for whatever reason, he's just just stopped. He went on,

798
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: got dressed, put his bag on, stood with the with

799
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: the guys stood at the team, was rooting them one

800
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 2: and all that, but he like he only did about

801
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: half it. Why so, like, why do we even though

802
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 2: they came in and did positive things, we still have

803
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 2: questions about him.

804
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think let's sart with Johnny Wilson because

805
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: he's a guy that I I love tall receivers, I

806
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: love outliers, thirty five inch arms. He jumped thirty seven

807
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 1: inches at two hundred and thirty five pounds. He had

808
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: like an eleven nine broad Like, he did a great

809
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: job testing. Remember the four four, five, three forty, Like

810
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: that's awesome for a man of his proportion. And then

811
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: he goes out and you're like, we'll see what happens.

812
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: And he runs excellent routes. He catches the ball with

813
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: his hands, he runs a great gauntlet trill. He just

814
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: it's all there, and you're like, oh my gosh, this

815
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: guy can play his way into what I would categorize

816
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: as a two. You know, like he at the Senior Bowl,

817
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: he didn't lose a rep in one on ones, he

818
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 1: didn't make any mental like, he had a good week

819
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: of practice, and then at the Senior Bowl he stops

820
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: after the second day he wins all his one on

821
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: ones on the second day and then says, I've got

822
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: an injury. I have to go. You're like, okay, that's okay.

823
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: People do that at the Senior Bowl.

824
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: That was tough. And then like we felt bad. Yeah,

825
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: keep seeing you injury, that's fine.

826
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 1: And so then here it's like you are doing something.

827
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: You're having an excellent day, You're running good routes. He

828
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: made an excellent like this throw, so he ran a

829
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: big out right and I forget who it was, but

830
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: they kind of put the ball way to the sideline

831
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: over his head, so he tracked it over his head.

832
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: He cut it right off his shoelaces as it was

833
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: falling down, popped it up, and then finished the drill.

834
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: And that was his last catch.

835
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: And at six seven, that was amazing.

836
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: And just seeing him run in comparison everybody else, you're

837
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: like this, and and again his ability to sink and

838
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: come out of cuts at that size is it's it's

839
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: really special to watch. But I don't understand why you

840
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: didn't finish the Senior Bowl and why you didn't finish

841
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: this drill. I know I've got we're gonna do some

842
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: investigative reporting. And figure out what's going on with them,

843
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: But do you have an injury problem? Can you only

844
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: run a certain number of routes like what you're conditioning? Like,

845
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: So I feel like that the physical stuff was all

846
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: answered for me, but the character of the composition of

847
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: his competitive character is still in question.

848
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it feels like that's unfair because we don't know.

849
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,320
Speaker 2: We don't know if he could have had an injury,

850
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: he could just be taking the advice of his agent

851
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: and like he's doing all the right things. But because

852
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: we don't know and we're not privy to that, they

853
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 2: should and we don't, Like we're not teams, right, maybe

854
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 2: they're telling the teams, Hey, here's what's going on whatever,

855
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 2: and that's fine, but we don't have that information. So

856
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 2: all we have is like we you're right there every time,

857
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 2: like we want to fall in love with you, or

858
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 2: I want to fall in love with you and write

859
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 2: when I'm about to, you're like.

860
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, that's exactly I think.

861
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 2: And it's like, oh no, just just just finish it out, Yeah,

862
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 2: finish it out. But I hope he's I hope he's healthy.

863
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 2: I hope it's not an injury. I hope it is

864
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: his agent saying, you know, stuff like I hope and

865
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 2: I just hope it's not him being like, you know,

866
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 2: I think I'm done.

867
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope that too, because again, I want guys

868
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: who love football, who are passionate about football, and those

869
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: are the guys you bet on. Those are the guys

870
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: that get better and that didn't happen today and so

871
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: and so that that's one element of the people you

872
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: asked about. The other guys. Xavier a Worthy obviously tremendous performance.

873
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: The problem I have with this is he's five or eleven.

874
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: He waited at one sixty five, obviously, jumped out the

875
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,439
Speaker 1: gym all the every explosive measurement you want. His ten

876
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: was great. Everything about it was great. I think he

877
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: ran the fastest ten in the history of the combike.

878
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: Dude was out there today. From an from a measurement standpoint,

879
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: I don't have any question when I watch this film there,

880
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: I had zero questions about that. Like I think I

881
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: told you before I ran, I think he's gonna run

882
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: a four two. I think I said that too. Yeah,

883
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: and he goes out and runs a four two. Great.

884
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: My question is, what how do you run routes, you know, like,

885
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: I don't care how fast you are, how do you

886
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: run routes? And so I was really hoping because on

887
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: film he works a vertical route tree. People get hands

888
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: on him, they bump him off the stuff. It's a

889
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: hard time changing direction. Maybe that's just the rout tree

890
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: they're asking him to do a Texas. So I really

891
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 1: wanted to see him run today. I really run routes

892
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: and for him just put the backpack on him, like

893
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: you're not a first round pick, and maybe he will

894
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: be now for the forty. But I think teams have

895
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: gotten wise to understanding that fast guys, really fast guys. Guy.

896
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: If you look at everybody who's broken records at the

897
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: combine in terms of forty outside of Chris Johnson, tend

898
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: to not be the greatest football players. John Ross is

899
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: the most recent example. Drafted by the Bengals in the

900
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: first round.

901
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: That's the record that worthy beat today.

902
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: That's and not a kind of a lackluster career. So

903
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: I just wanted to see him play football, or play

904
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: a version of football, or play something that simulated football,

905
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 1: and he just didn't do that. So I'm a little

906
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 1: disappointed with that. Again, he will go down in history

907
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: as the fastest man and dude.

908
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 2: And it was electric. I was pulling for him. It

909
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: was so exciting because they liked and we don't want

910
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: to take anything away from him for doing that. It's awesome.

911
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then just to walk you through, like he

912
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: ran a four two five and I'm like, he's not

913
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 1: gonna run another one. And he gets up to the

914
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: line and the building is quiet. It's like it's like

915
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: electric and it's running again, and then he runs the

916
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: he runs the forty, and then for the second time.

917
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: For the second forty, the NFL puts up the time

918
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: on the big screen and they flash up the four

919
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: to two right or four to two one right as

920
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: he's finishing, and the stadium erupts. They have clips of

921
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: coaches like double checking their stopwatches and looking at the

922
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: numbers on the screen. Yea, and it was just it

923
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: was awesome. And so they showed ap yeah, and he

924
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 1: was just oh yeah, clapping, and then they start a

925
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: picture of a scout looking at his stopwatch, looking at

926
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: the number, double checking it, talking to someone next because

927
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 1: you don't believe that it happened, and it's and it's

928
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: cool to be there for that kind of moment in

929
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: Combine history. But as a town evaluator, that's great, but

930
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: I want to see you run some routes and catch

931
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 1: the football.

932
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like and it's again, it's the same for me,

933
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: the same Johnny was. I want to love that. Yeah, right,

934
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: and that's great, but this isn't just a track meet.

935
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 2: You need to go play some football, right, You need

936
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: to show.

937
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: Some football run routes, like, yeah, the football skills because

938
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: you're not playing football. There's no pads on. It's the

939
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: end of where Olympics. We get that. I need to

940
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 1: see the fundamentals like Romadonsday showed me, Brian Thomas showed me, right,

941
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: the xavierly Get showed me they were not they had

942
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: a great workouts and they weren't too good to do

943
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: this other thing. And I just again, we're going to

944
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: go back and watch the film, grind the tape. But

945
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: I had questions about his route running and I was

946
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 1: hoping to get them answered today or at least shades

947
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 1: of that answered today, and he didn't do it. So awesome,

948
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: congratulations him, but didn't quite work out. And then there's

949
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: another guy we want to talk about too, Adie Mitchell.

950
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, let's do it.

951
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,760
Speaker 1: Ab Sos, Texas teammate, and he's a guy that everyone's

952
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: going to be super stoked on him because he ran

953
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: like a four to three five or four through four.

954
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: He ran a four to three five.

955
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: He jumped crazy, like his jumps were awesome, like all

956
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: the explosive stuff you're talking about, and you go back

957
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: and watch the film and he's an explosive player, but

958
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: I didn't know he was that explosive. And then he

959
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: gets on the field and all of the questions you

960
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: have about his route running technicality were just exacerbated to

961
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: like the millionth degree. He gets stuck in brakes, he's

962
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: slipping coming out of cuts, he's drifting on routes, and

963
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: quarterbacks missing the throw, and so you're like, he is

964
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: not technically where he needs to be. Physically, it's all

965
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: there for him, but the technical stuff was not there.

966
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: And so you kind of say, even though he had

967
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: a great day measuring and like coming out of that

968
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: lab and saying, man, I can do all this stuff

969
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: from a physical standpoint, the nuance of the position escaped

970
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: him in a way that makes me think maybe it

971
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 1: wasn't the best day for him.

972
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he had a couple drops, which is tough.

973
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: And this was with the group with b Nix, Yeah,

974
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 2: and JJ McCarthy and Sam Hartman who doesn't have the

975
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: best arm but he's fairly accurate. And it's like, Okay,

976
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 2: that's tough.

977
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, that's tough because Joe Millen was out there too,

978
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: would and say what you want about Joe Miller at

979
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: least today was pretty accurate on the whole.

980
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: Had a pretty good day. Yeah, So that was that

981
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 2: was tough and it's hard to So here's the thing. Yeah,

982
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: so here's the thing. The combine isn't to be all

983
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 2: end all right, like and we mentioned this before, like

984
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: the weight that you used a combine to evaluate a

985
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 2: player is like it just is supposed to support the

986
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 2: film or push you to like maybe I miss something

987
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 2: in the film. And also, these guys are gonna have

988
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 2: pro dase, right, So like with Xavier Worthy with Adie Mitchell,

989
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 2: they're gonna have a pro day at Texas and hopefully

990
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 2: this answers questions again, right, And it's like they get

991
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 2: to do this combine stuff again where they're more comfortable

992
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 2: and it's like they get to work a little bit

993
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: more and they get to be like, oh, Combine was

994
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 2: a fluke or like it, and we're hoping positive things

995
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 2: for these guys.

996
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: And I think the thing with Adi Mitchell though, it's

997
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: like the film shows that he's not the most nuanced or outrunner,

998
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: so you're like, but it also showed that for Brian Thomas,

999
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: right correct, And so Brian Thomas comes to the field

1000
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: and you see the nuance, and with Adie Mitchell it

1001
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 1: was like there was it was like he was bashing

1002
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: a hammer into the ground, like there was no nuance there,

1003
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: and you're like, ooh, that's a lot of work to do.

1004
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: And now the great thing about receiver is I think

1005
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: if you look at DK Metcalf, who's again not a

1006
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: nuance route runner, but is a stallion out there, you

1007
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: can cultivate an offense to speak to guys' skill set.

1008
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: So you're fast, you're explosive. We can find a way

1009
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: to make that work. But that role diminishes in size

1010
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: because you're, again the the nuance the artistry of the

1011
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: position isn't there now, Like you said, he goes to

1012
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: the he goes to his pro da kills it like

1013
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: you might be a first round pick, but I would

1014
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: be reluctant to kind of give him that designation after

1015
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 1: the field work today.

1016
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I keep hedging because I think this is

1017
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 2: important because a lot of times, and it's not just

1018
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 2: with fans, with listening to Combine talk or draft talk,

1019
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: it's like, we get this just in general in our conversations.

1020
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 2: It sounds like sometimes when you're pointing out things that

1021
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, he has trouble with this, he has

1022
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: trouble with that. It doesn't mean we hate the player, right,

1023
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,720
Speaker 2: and it does it mean like they're a bad player.

1024
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 2: We're not saying, by any means that any of these

1025
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 2: guys that we're bringing up some questions with, whether it's

1026
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 2: Adie Mitchell or King Coleman that we're like, or or

1027
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 2: Johnny wilson Eman or Xavier Worth that we're like, Oh,

1028
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: they don't they don't deserve to be drafted to it.

1029
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: That's not what we're saying. Like I said at the beginning,

1030
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: this is a very good wide receiver class and we

1031
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 2: are going to split hairs to try and figure out

1032
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: where they're going to fall and where they're going to

1033
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 2: rise in this draft.

1034
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 1: And I still think Adie Mitchell is the second round player,

1035
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: but I think he's worth it.

1036
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: He's worth the second I think I could.

1037
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: Have been a first I think he could have jumped

1038
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: Keon Coleman and a first round player if he had

1039
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: done better in that area. And it's a small thing.

1040
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: It's a small thing, but I think that's kind of

1041
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: that's what we're I think he's still good. I'd still have,

1042
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: in the right situation, want him. Same thing with Keon Coleman,

1043
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 1: quite honestly, But there's more questions about them as opposed

1044
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: to those first three guys we talked about who came

1045
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: out and just knocked the ball out.

1046
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, these guys still could have great NFL careers, right,

1047
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 2: and they're still draftable, still definitely draftable.

1048
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: Their top sixty players.

1049
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I just want to reemphasize that, like, just

1050
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 2: because we're talking about these things doesn't mean we're like

1051
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 2: saying they're like bad at football. They must certainly are

1052
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: not right, all right, So, guys going from Texas to Tennessee,

1053
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: we just talked about Joe Milton, and we just talked

1054
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,439
Speaker 2: about the guy that ran the fastest forty. Let's talk

1055
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 2: about this laser cannon of an arm that Joe Milton

1056
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: got to show off. This dude threw the ball. I

1057
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 2: measured seventy yards, which is.

1058
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: Nuts seventy yards to a completed pass, so like it's

1059
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: gonna fall. It's probably like seventy it was. It was. So,

1060
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: you know, we've been to the combine a couple of

1061
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: years in a row now, and we see the guys

1062
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: do it, and they start on the ten, they do

1063
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: their drop back, the receiver runs out and they catch

1064
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: the ball approximately between the fifty and the forty five.

1065
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: That's on the other side on the on the other

1066
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,240
Speaker 1: side of fifty right, So that's approximate where the ball catches.

1067
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: And so Joe Millian gets out there and I'm like,

1068
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: this dude's about to like, you know, he can throw

1069
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: the ball eighty five yards in the air, let's see it.

1070
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: It kind of sounds like an urban legend almost. So

1071
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: he gets back there, he does his drop and instead

1072
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: of throwing the ball, he holds it for like a

1073
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: half a second. So the receiver is just getting farther

1074
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: and farther away, and You're like, he's gonna underthrow this,

1075
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: Like there's no way he can throw the ball as far.

1076
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: And he launches this sucker and it lands on the

1077
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: minus twenty nineteen eighteen yard line and the receiver catches it.

1078
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: And I've never seen a ball travel that far in

1079
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: the air to a completed position before. Like he is

1080
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 1: a physical freak. He threw the ball sixty two miles

1081
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: an hour. Like I don't know if he broke the record,

1082
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 1: but he was probably close. Like he is a monster

1083
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: when it comes to throwing the football. He's not the

1084
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: most technically sound quarterback from a film standpoint, but the

1085
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: tools man. He's fast, he's big. He did a he

1086
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: did a handspring backflip after they scored a touchdown to

1087
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: finish the drill. Like he weighs two hundred and forty

1088
00:47:56,040 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 1: five pounds. Like, dude is a monster, and so in

1089
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: terms of winning the combine, Like did he make every throw? No?

1090
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: Is he the most amost accus guy of all time? No?

1091
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: But does he have a cannon for an arm? And

1092
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: is he blessed with everything you could possibly need to

1093
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: play the position? Absolutely?

1094
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 2: I said this before, I'll say it again. He reminds

1095
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 2: me of Serx from three hundred. He's a massive, He's

1096
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 2: a massive man, and he has a absolute laser cannon

1097
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 2: of an arm. It was really impressive to see. But

1098
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 2: the other guy that was stealing the spotlight in this

1099
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 2: group for quarterbacks, even though he had that great seventy

1100
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 2: yard throw, the guy that was getting all the attention,

1101
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 2: that all the eyeballs were on was JJ McCarthy. Ye, now,

1102
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 2: why are the eyeballs on JJ McCarthy logan, I.

1103
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: Mean, I think so when you watch the film, I

1104
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: know there's not a lot of throws. You have to

1105
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: watch a lot of games to get the number of throws.

1106
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 1: You need to kind of fill out your evaluation. But

1107
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: you see great ball velocity, great ball placement, and you

1108
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: see NFL throws in the tight windows. You see a

1109
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: confidence an you see an athleticism. So I was little

1110
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: disappointed didn't run a forty, But I think the thing

1111
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 1: that just jumps out at you, like right when he

1112
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 1: gets back there is there's Joe Milton's arm right which

1113
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: is just straight raw horsepower. And I will say JJ's

1114
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: arm is not far off. Like I said, I said,

1115
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: Joe Milton through the ball sixty two miles an hour.

1116
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: JJ threw at sixty one. And so in combining kind

1117
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: of this tremendous physical gift. There's also a little bit

1118
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: more nuanced there when it comes to playing the quarterback position.

1119
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: Like they're running a big out today and JJ is

1120
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: throwing with anticipation, throwing to a spot. Milton is just

1121
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 1: relying solely on the horsepower of his arm. You'll see

1122
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: the guy make the cut. He'll throw it to the

1123
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: guy and make the catch. But I think JJ just

1124
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: you saw the physical gifts that get everybody so fired

1125
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: up about him, and you saw him layering that in

1126
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: conjunction with some very very high level quarterback kind of

1127
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 1: it's not high level because it's routes on air, but understanding,

1128
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 1: hey this, I can use my mind, my wedge here,

1129
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: I can use my driver, I can use the putter

1130
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: for this throw. And they were all pretty accurate. And

1131
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: again they're throwing to a very eclectic group of receivers

1132
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: and he just kind of physically separated himself. And also

1133
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: you can tell he has a good feel for some

1134
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: of the finer points of the position.

1135
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was. It was a really interesting quarterback

1136
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 2: group to watch because you had Milton, you had McCarthy,

1137
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: and you had Bononix as well and b Nicks just

1138
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 2: for distance, right, I wrote these down. These are all

1139
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 2: These are not official. These are just what I marked

1140
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: when I looked at it. Milne had the seventy yarder

1141
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 2: right then McCarthy was a sixty four yarder.

1142
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's not bad. Put that out there.

1143
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 2: And then bon Nix was fifty five. Right. So bon

1144
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 2: Nix is known for being pretty accurate. Right, well, McCarthy

1145
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 2: was matching those nice touch throws, those nice accurate throws.

1146
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: And then he was out throwing Bonnicks as far as

1147
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 2: strength and complete a pass down there, just a little

1148
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 2: bit below Milton, So he had a It was almost

1149
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 2: like if you take a little bit of what Milton has,

1150
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 2: a little bit of what bow Nicks has, and you

1151
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 2: put it in one quarterback, that hero, it's JJ McCarthy.

1152
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 2: So yeah, when I was like, when we first started

1153
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: doing this, he was not one of the quarterbacks I

1154
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 2: evaluated because he wasn't at the Senior Bowl, right, And

1155
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 2: then I started looking at film. You were sending me

1156
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 2: film of him, and it took a lot of games

1157
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 2: to get at least a decent amount of throats to

1158
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 2: understand what he was capable of. And he's got a

1159
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 2: very strong arm, right, he is accurate with the ball

1160
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 2: when he does throw it. He can move right, he's

1161
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 2: athletic and can move in the pocket, can make a

1162
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 2: play with his legs. And it was just interesting because

1163
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 2: it feels like he came out of nowhere even though

1164
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 2: he's the quarterback of the National Championship time, right, And

1165
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,919
Speaker 2: I do want I do see where you hear that

1166
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 2: other teams, other scouts are saying like, hey, this guy

1167
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 2: may slide in and be the fourth quarterback off the board,

1168
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 2: maybe a top ten pick. Yeah, you're starting to see

1169
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 2: if you if you start to squint, you're starting to

1170
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 2: see it.

1171
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: And I think especially today, you know, like I know

1172
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: he threw with those guys right who And I think

1173
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: bo Nix is kind of in that fourth fifth quarterback

1174
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 1: conversation between him and but he outperformed him today. And

1175
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: then you compare him to what they did with the

1176
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: second group. And I think Penix has an excellent arm,

1177
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: but he doesn't have the touch does and I think

1178
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 1: his arm actually was less effective in certain situations, certain

1179
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: throws than McCarthy's arm. And so I don't want to

1180
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,479
Speaker 1: say he kind of blew those guys out of the water,

1181
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: but he kind of did to me, Yeah, and again

1182
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: the film is very good too, and the ability to

1183
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 1: kind of use different clubs is something that I can't

1184
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: overstate the importance of because Penix does a great deep ball,

1185
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: but everything in between is a little bit dicey, and

1186
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: I think he's very accurate. I thought he was very

1187
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: efficient today, But you see, there's just a little bit

1188
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: more with McCarthy, and I think Pennix is going to

1189
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: be a serviceable pro. He might even be a good

1190
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: started at some point. Same thing with bon Nicks. But

1191
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 1: there's something there's something special about his physical skill skill

1192
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: set that makes Jim Harbaugh say he would take him

1193
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: first overall if he could like that. And again, I

1194
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: don't think Jim Harbro is being hyperbolic. I think he

1195
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 1: genuinely believes in that guy, the leadership stuff. I think

1196
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 1: he probably interviewed really well. So after today, it feels

1197
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: like to me that he is the He's established himself

1198
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: very firmly as the fourth guy. And we'll see. We

1199
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: got to watch more film, the evaluations on going process,

1200
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: but seeing what he was able to seeing what he

1201
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 1: was able to do from film and apply it in

1202
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 1: this setting, and to see just you know, Bonix throwball,

1203
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: McCarthy throwball, Joe Milton throwball, Pennix throwball, Rue right after another.

1204
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: You're kind of like, man, that arm is special, that

1205
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: accuracy is special. And he did. It's not like he

1206
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: made every throw. He missed some throws. That's he's thrown

1207
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: in a bunch of different receivers, but it was it

1208
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: was a pretty good performance by him today.

1209
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 2: Well, the combine, because I keep saying it, the combine

1210
00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 2: shouldn't be everything. So like the hesitation that I have

1211
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 2: with McCarthy, like as just a guy, right if you're

1212
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 2: talking to me and I'm just a guy, he just

1213
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 2: hasn't done it enough. There are guys like the BONNICKX

1214
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 2: and Penix, they've done it enough. I've seen a lot

1215
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 2: of throws. I've seen them do a lot of different

1216
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 2: type of throws. I've seen them put teams on their

1217
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 2: back with having the throat like we've seen that. Haven't

1218
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 2: seen it as much with McCarthy. So like that's the

1219
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 2: worry is like, yeah, he's got all these things when

1220
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 2: it's routes on air, right, or when it's asked for,

1221
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 2: when he's asked to do it just in burst little burst,

1222
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,919
Speaker 2: But if you're gonna draft him high, right, if he's

1223
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 2: going to go in the top ten or be the

1224
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 2: fourth quarterback over or fall somewhere in there, he's gonna

1225
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 2: have to do it more than he did it in college.

1226
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 2: He's gonna have to put a team on his back

1227
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 2: a lot more because you're taking a team that needs

1228
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,280
Speaker 2: a lot of help. You would think you're not drafting

1229
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 2: in the top ten if you're not a team that

1230
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 2: needs a lot of help. So, like guys like Caleb Williams,

1231
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 2: you say, well, he can go out there. He can

1232
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 2: do things that even if your team needs a little

1233
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: help and growing and rebuilding, he can still win you games,

1234
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: right with his type of skill set. That's that's the

1235
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: evaluation of him. With McCarthy, maybe he has those, maybe

1236
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 2: he doesn't. But like I just I don't trust it.

1237
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it enough. So what do you say

1238
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 2: to just a guy like me. He's like, it's just

1239
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 2: there's just not enough data.

1240
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: Point, there's no there's no rebuttal to it. It's true.

1241
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: I think the thing about it is I put my

1242
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 1: coaches had on here, and I know coaches are going

1243
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: to look at what he does and say we can

1244
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: work with that because it's special. I think that's what

1245
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: you come down to, and I think you again, I've

1246
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: told our listeners to go back and watch the TCU

1247
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: game from last year, and you see he makes mistakes.

1248
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: He's not perfect, but you see high level NFL throws

1249
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: and the tight windows over the middle of the field,

1250
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: and they are tough. He's under pressure. He does a

1251
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: great job. And I think coaches, GMS they watch that

1252
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: and they say that I don't care how long bow

1253
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: Nix has played football, I don't care how talented he is.

1254
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: He's never going to have that physical skill set. And

1255
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: I think that's what's happening right now is it's like

1256
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: the mystery box. You've seen enough to say, oh, it's

1257
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 1: not really a mystery, like talk yourself into it, and

1258
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,200
Speaker 1: then you see him throw today and you're like, oh

1259
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: my gosh, Like if I was a coach like the

1260
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: one you totally blind without the names, you know, I'm

1261
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: picking that one. I'm picking him today because and he's

1262
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: just gonna have more upper He's going to throw it

1263
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: his pro day. They're going to see it more. I

1264
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: bet you he's a top ten pick. And it's because

1265
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: it's because he's shown a little bit and that little

1266
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,800
Speaker 1: bit is really good, and then he's got the physical

1267
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: tools to kind of make you say wow. And I

1268
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 1: think that's what the NFL is, right, It's projecting. It's projecting.

1269
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: And we talk about this a lot in terms of

1270
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 1: our big spreadsheet that we have of all the prospects.

1271
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 1: Is there are physical rate limitters to the position. And

1272
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: like with offensive linemen, it's foot speed and arm length

1273
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: or body mass or height or whatever it is. And

1274
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: with a quarterback it's arm talent, accuracy, athleticism or things

1275
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: that no matter how long we talk about, I can't

1276
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: coach you to be better in those areas necessarily. Maybe accuracy,

1277
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: but arm talent no negotiable. And then the fact that

1278
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: he's done some of these NFL throws, Like just to

1279
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: give you some context, like Pennix doesn't make these throws.

1280
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: They're all outside, they're all deep comebacks, they're all deep fades.

1281
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: He doesn't throw out the millfield. Jane Daniels doesn't throw

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Speaker 1: over the midfield. Right, even even our guy Bo Nicks,

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00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: who's got a wide array of throws, isn't an offense

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00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: that is very insulating towards him. So even though he

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00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: has more throws, they're simple, easy reads. These are the

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00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: ones that McCarthy does are challenging NFL level throws, And

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00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: I think people say that's something. If he can do

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00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: that there, we can make that happen all the time

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00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: at the NFL level. So I think that's why after

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00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: this week, you're not going to see anybody have anybody

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Speaker 1: but him in that four slot.

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Speaker 2: Well, let me put you on the spot. Okay, Washington

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00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:54,479
Speaker 2: trades back. Let's say they trade back. The common one

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00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 2: is eight, right, they trade back to eight with the Atlanta.

1295
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 2: So Atlanta moves up to two, get a couple of So, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you can build more with your roster with these picks. Okay,

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00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 2: but we still want a quarterback. Are you feeling comfortable

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Speaker 2: with JJ McCarthy there at eight for Washington?

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Speaker 1: I'm getting there. I mean, I think I told you

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Speaker 1: this morning, if I had to pick, if I was

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Speaker 1: picking between fourteen and twenty, I'd feel excellent about it.

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Speaker 2: But he's not going to fall.

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Speaker 1: He's going to fall that, he's not going to fall

1304
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: that far. So I think the idea of getting JJ

1305
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: McCarthy apose is in a perfect world. JJ McCarthy at eight,

1306
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: he sits for a year, we draft another offensive lineman,

1307
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: they get better, the continuity improves, he does the Patrick

1308
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: Mahomes thing, and next year he comes out and we're

1309
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: ready to rock and roll. I understand if you dropped

1310
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: a guy in the top ten, that's not a reasonable expectation.

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00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: But he's very good and the stuff that he does

1312
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: well is very high level NFL stuff, and he's still

1313
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: got a lot of growing to do, but that talent,

1314
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: I can I'm getting intoxicated just thinking about it. It's

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00:58:58,440 --> 00:58:59,439
Speaker 1: it's very high.

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00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. The last about a month ago, maybe maybe just

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00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 2: a little bit less than a month ago, on this

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Speaker 2: podcast with Zach Selby, with you Me, we did a

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00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 2: mock draft battle and Selby we did what happens if

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Speaker 2: we trade back from two into eight and Selby picked

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00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 2: bo Knicks at that spot. I would love to do

1322
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Speaker 2: that again, and we probably will in the next coming weeks.

1323
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 2: We're gonna do that same thing again with the new

1324
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 2: evaluations we have, And I'm very interested in what Selby,

1325
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 2: you Me, or Fred Smooth does now that we know

1326
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 2: a little bit more about JJ McCarthy, does he overtake

1327
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 2: bo Nicks?

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Speaker 1: Moving there on that shore I tried to push I

1329
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: tried to push him that way, you know, because of

1330
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:42,919
Speaker 1: because I think I think, I think people are really

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00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: high on bo Nicks, because the numbers for bo Nicks

1332
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: are excellent, like completion a percentage, advanced completion percentage adjusted

1333
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: to complete a percentage. But when you look at like

1334
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,919
Speaker 1: difficulty of throw in that offense, it's not very high.

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Speaker 1: Which again that's not taking anything away from him, like

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00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: he made the throws, but the high level stuff isn't there.

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Speaker 1: And like you said, it's not there all the time

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Speaker 1: for McCarthy, but when he has to, when they have

1339
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: to throw in Michigan's offense, it's tough. So I think

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Speaker 1: that's part of it.

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Speaker 2: One little, one little more thing. McCarthy is much younger.

1342
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Speaker 1: Than Boonex, that's true.

1343
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 2: And there's something a learning there too.

1344
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, there really is.

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01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: I mean that's the whole thing with Drake May and

1347
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,919
Speaker 1: Jane Daniels too, right like that, there's there's a malleability

1348
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: appliability there. You can kind of mold them as you

1349
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: want them to be. And and I do think there's

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01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 1: something special about that. You know that he's been in

1351
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: a pro style offense, he's been with with uh the

1352
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 1: coach of the Chargers now, like he understands what the

1353
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: expectation is going to be for him. He went to

1354
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: IMG Academy, that's basically playing professional football in high school

1355
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: or college football in high school. Like he has been

1356
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: on a track to be to have a high level

1357
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: of professionalism. So there's something definitely intoxicating about it. But

1358
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: it's still a projection, like one hundred percent. So I'm

1359
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 1: not saying I know I have the answer, but he is.

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Speaker 1: He's very to be sure.

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Speaker 2: What a day?

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Speaker 1: What a day?

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Speaker 2: That was a fun day. I love football, and the

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Speaker 2: Combine is a Indianapolis does a fantastic job at it.

1365
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 2: Lucas Oil is a beautiful stadium. Everybody's super nice. It's

1366
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 2: a great facility, and man, I just love football. Watching

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Speaker 2: these guys do football.

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Speaker 1: Things is a good day. It's a football junkies dream.

1369
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: And so we just sit there, talk ball and get

1370
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Speaker 1: to watch all these guys come through and get to

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Speaker 1: see dreams hopefully happen.

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Speaker 2: Right, And thank you seek for giving us the best

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01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,560
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Speaker 2: the fans, and we're very grateful that we're a part

1376
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Speaker 2: of that ride.

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Speaker 1: So that's our shows. That's all we.

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Speaker 2: Got, all right till next time. That's it.

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Speaker 1: That's it.