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Speaker 2: be the greatest reality show going. And you can script everything,

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Speaker 2: but the ending. The news you heard break about ninety

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Speaker 2: minutes ago is just the beginning. Now the Hollywood script begins.

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Speaker 2: But here's why. The trade that was announced about ninety

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Speaker 2: minutes ago has really got my scratch from my head.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me? Got me scratching my head and wondering where

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Speaker 2: does this all lead? What's the endgame here? And I'll

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Speaker 2: draw on a historical perspective in just a minute, and

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Speaker 2: in about an hour, of course, Mark Medina will join

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Speaker 2: us for our weekly Medina Magic Midnight segment and we

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Speaker 2: close every segment with let's see what the new cycle

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Speaker 2: brings us next week? Market It never fails to deliver. Look,

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Speaker 2: superstars get traded. That that part is nothing new, but

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Speaker 2: traded for each other in a fashion that's this unexpected

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Speaker 2: during mid season, right before the trade deadline, so it

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Speaker 2: raises questions. And again in about an hour, Mark Medina

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Speaker 2: and I will take a much deeper dive into this,

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Speaker 2: the impetus behind the trade. What I don't want to

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Speaker 2: lot of great stuff tonight and now have three great

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Speaker 2: guess and listen, I'm not an idiot. You play the hits.

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Speaker 2: People want to know right now, there's not a hell

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Speaker 2: of a lot much more to report, and I want

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Speaker 2: to sit here for four hours and say, Wow, this

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Speaker 2: is crazy man, No one saw it's coming. Wow, this

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Speaker 2: is kookie. What do you think? Okay, we don't want

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Speaker 2: to sound like two guys at the game of the bar,

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Speaker 2: so let's try to add some texture in some context.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, not for nothing. The irony here

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Speaker 2: is if you look at the offensive production between these

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Speaker 2: two players, Luca averages two more points a game. Anthony

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Speaker 2: Davis averages three more rebounds a game. Luca has three

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Speaker 2: more assists per game. Davis Moore block shots and Davis

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Speaker 2: shoots at about fifty two percent and Luke at about

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Speaker 2: forty six. But this is so much more than that

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Speaker 2: because the Lakers will they're they're an organization of eras.

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Speaker 2: All right, you go back to Wilt Baylor, West, Kareem

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Speaker 2: I'm Kobe Shack, not Brownie. Okay, I'm just kidding, Lebron.

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Speaker 2: Now is are the Lakers playing the long game here?

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Speaker 2: What's really happening. Look, I've been covering sports a long time,

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Speaker 2: and I've talked to general managers who have made trades

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Speaker 2: in all sports. And I had a general manager in

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Speaker 2: Major League Baseball many many years ago. This is back

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Speaker 2: in the nineties. Tell me, before he makes the trade,

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Speaker 2: he understands he wants to get value for that trade.

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Speaker 2: But the one thing he checks is he checks is

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Speaker 2: subconscious with before making the trade. Is this all right,

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Speaker 2: Here's a player I'm going to move and I want

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Speaker 2: to get value for him. But the way, I still

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Speaker 2: have to worry about playing against him. So there are questions.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, make no mistake, Luca needs the

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Speaker 2: really doesn't play a hell of a lot of defense

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Speaker 2: has to be written. This has to play itself out,

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Speaker 2: otherwise we don't really have a whole hell of a

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Speaker 2: It's a jarring trade. It seems to have come out

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Speaker 2: and that was his motivation to trade Luke. Apparently Dallas

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Speaker 2: made the first overture toward the Lakers. All right, Anthony

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Speaker 2: Davis turns thirty two next month. His role with the

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Speaker 2: surrounded by Kyrie, Klay Thompson, PJ. Washington. This is a

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Speaker 2: on the other side of the trade, the deal completely

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Speaker 2: alters the Lakers' long term I think just swapping out

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Speaker 2: he'd run his course. Got to the Lakers in seventy five,

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Speaker 2: and one of the reasons this trade is so memorable

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Speaker 2: Rest his soul. He passed a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 2: and the Lakers were giddy that they got this magnificent player.

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Speaker 2: prior to that Magic johnson arrival, Jabar had had four

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Speaker 2: I don't think Luca is the missing link to help

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Speaker 2: This is just a situation now where that's what I

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Speaker 2: does this go again? What makes this so unique? There

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Speaker 2: have been superstars traded before. Hell, just two years ago,

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Speaker 2: Kevin Durant was moved in a blockbuster deal. But here's

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Speaker 2: the deal. This is mid season involving two superstars completely unexpected.

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Speaker 2: Right before the trade deadline, James Harden requested a trade

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two. That's Ben Simmons as part of that. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you get the point, but two superstars traded for each other. Now,

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Speaker 2: I also want to look at the other end of

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Speaker 2: Don't say a home dinner, maybe a show. Don't say

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Speaker 2: say that Bucks lost the trade. Well, you can say

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Speaker 2: they did, but was it completely without value for them? No,

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Speaker 2: it was not, because anytime an organization trades a superstar player,

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Speaker 2: when the player is someone with the historical stature that

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Speaker 2: Milwaukee Bucks actually received two players in that trade whose

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Speaker 2: both pretty good defensive players. Brian Winners is probably the

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Speaker 2: Jersey also also hangs up there. When you trade away

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Speaker 2: Lucas never want anything, I really and when I talked

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Speaker 2: to Mark Mendina here in about forty nine minutes, I

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Speaker 2: want to dive into what really happened here. I understand

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Speaker 2: we're being told that it was Dallas who made the

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Speaker 2: But the truth of the matter is is that Dallas

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Speaker 2: We've heard of the thousand times. You don't need to

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Speaker 2: concerns about Luca's conditioning issues. He was also eligible to

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Speaker 2: even approach Luca Dancis about it until Saturday night. So

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Speaker 2: more tidbits, more factoids will come out, and if they do,

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Speaker 2: I will tell you that I will share them as

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Speaker 2: what happens next. Will this be impactful when they write

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Speaker 2: With the Lakers win one with Luca? How are Luca

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Speaker 2: We will be talking about this story throughout the show.

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Speaker 2: But I got a lot of other stuff happening too.

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Speaker 2: Las Vegas. Just getting started. In case you missed it,

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Speaker 2: Luca's coming to the Lakers, Anthony Davis is going to

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Speaker 2: His name is Scott Robin. I know of nobody better

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Speaker 4: That is very kind. Thank you, Good evening to you.

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Speaker 4: I talked to the folks that are in the meetings.

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Speaker 2: So there's a few things to unpack for you on

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I think those are great points. I was

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Speaker 2: They need but they need a billion, two of which

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Speaker 4: of the a cels, the new owner could still want

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Speaker 4: to come to Vegas. Like, we don't know what other

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Speaker 4: players are involved. It seems really unlikely they would go

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Speaker 4: back to Oakland now, but there are multiple options now

433
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Speaker 4: Sacramento one of them, Vegas would be one. I've even

434
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Speaker 4: heard these folks in Philadelphia saying come back to Philadelphia. Goodness,

435
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Speaker 4: So I think, yeah, things really open up, But I

436
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 4: think Vegas has stuck for a while with even if

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Speaker 4: they put shovels in the ground, it's really unclear how

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Speaker 4: this thing gets built here. There's no real enthusiasm from

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Speaker 4: the casinos. There's the only enthusiasm is coming from the

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Speaker 4: tourist agency that was they were one of the prime movers,

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Speaker 4: and they obviously want credit for bringing a major League

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Speaker 4: baseball to town. But I don't think it's going to

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Speaker 4: happen with the A's to be.

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Speaker 2: Honest, all right, So you I just got about a

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Speaker 2: minute left, but you answered my question. I know that

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Speaker 2: they set some sort of April date for breaking ground

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Speaker 2: there at the old Tropicana site on the corner of

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Speaker 2: Las Vegas Boulevard and Tropicana where mol Green is out Tropicana.

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Speaker 2: But you bring up a great point, and again I

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Speaker 2: think you just answered my question, Scott, So I probably

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Speaker 2: want to get you back on in the summer. When

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Speaker 2: this We'll see where this sits. But if I put

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Speaker 2: a gun to your head figuratively speaking, would it be

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Speaker 2: your prediction, would it be your prediction that when opening

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Speaker 2: day twenty twenty eight rulls around that the A's are

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Speaker 2: in Vegas or not in Vegas.

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Speaker 4: I believe that there may be the foundation may have

458
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Speaker 4: been laid for a ball parks, but the team will

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Speaker 4: not be playing in Las Vegas from twenty twenty. Interesting,

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Speaker 4: through their credit, they did a contract for all the

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Speaker 4: port of partties for the construction site. That's the only

462
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Speaker 4: thing I've the only thing I've heard that's a concrete

463
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Speaker 4: movement forward, literal movement forwards. But that's it.

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Speaker 2: I as you know the general contractor, I believe it's

465
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Speaker 2: Martinson out of Minneapolis. They built a Legion Stadium and

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Speaker 2: they got the contract to build this stadium. But again,

467
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 2: when so much time goes by and it's radio silent

468
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Speaker 2: and you can't point to the financing and they miss deadlines,

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Speaker 2: you have to raise your eyebrow don't you, Scott.

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Speaker 4: Yep, they could probably afford some gold shovels, but it's

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Speaker 4: all just going to be smoking theirs because they're kicking

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Speaker 4: us down the road.

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Speaker 2: That's all right, Bud, thanks so much for everything. I

474
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Speaker 2: want to get you on again a couple months down

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Speaker 2: the road as the story continues continued success with Vital Vegas.

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Speaker 4: Scott, thank you, thank you appreciate having me on.

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Speaker 2: Now. For locals who live here in Vegas, they see

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Speaker 2: the story, Scott breaks and I mean, I don't care

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00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 2: if it's restaurants, hotels, casinos, big names. The open thing

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Speaker 2: came about because he's been steadfast. He never thinks. He

481
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Speaker 2: didn't think they're coming coming up. We're going to circle

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Speaker 2: back to the blockbuster trade. Let's have a little fun

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Speaker 2: and try to grade the trade. Opinions are actually starting

484
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Speaker 2: to fly now a little more fast and furious. And

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Speaker 2: there seems to be one of these franchises that's definitive

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Speaker 2: winner of this trade. And oh, by the way, guests

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Speaker 2: who quote had no idea that this was happening. He

488
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Speaker 2: happened to be out to dinner. You get two guesses

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Speaker 2: in the first one doesn't count. I'll give you the

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Speaker 2: answer coming up. By the way, football fans, be sure

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Speaker 2: to tune into Fox Sports Radio every Sunday morning, beginning

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Speaker 2: at ten am Easter in seventy m Pacific for Countdown

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Speaker 2: Radio and the iHeart Radio app. Hi Bernie Friderlewick come

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Speaker 2: to your line from the Las Vegas Fox Sports Radio

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Speaker 2: Tirac dot Com Studios. Plenty of trade coverage coming up.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna grade it. You're gonna be surprised. Who the

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Speaker 2: hell was most shocked about this? And in twenty three

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Speaker 2: minutes Mark Padina Magic, We're gonna get through all our

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Speaker 2: stuff tonight too. But I promised as things seep out,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna bring it to you. Keep it locked. We're

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Speaker 2: listening to the Bernie Frattle Show on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: All right, back on the Bernie Frattle Show Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: We are company line from the Tirac dot Com studios

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Speaker 2: here in Las Vegas. Take you up to three am Pacific,

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Speaker 2: six am Eastern, just getting started. In sixteen minutes, Mark

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Speaker 2: Medina will join us for his weekly segment, And it's

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Speaker 2: exactly why we do this fifty two weeks out of

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Speaker 2: the year. There's always news and of course, coincidentally, one

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Speaker 2: of the things we were going to be talking about

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Speaker 2: tonight would be the trade deadline and some speculation. The

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Speaker 2: trade deadline in the NBA is actually Thursday. And as

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Speaker 2: I said at the top of the show, the thing

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Speaker 2: that sticks out to me about this trade because superstars

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Speaker 2: get traded, but when have you seen a superstar get

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Speaker 2: traded for a superstar? And it was this unexpected, this

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Speaker 2: sudden in the middle of the season, mid season, right

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Speaker 2: before the trade deadline, and before I get to grading

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Speaker 2: the trade, and who was shocked at this happened? And

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Speaker 2: he's pretty close to the situation. Trades we were talking

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Speaker 2: to would have talked about tonight's Deer and Fox and

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Speaker 2: I know that you know, the Sacramento is probably gonna

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Speaker 2: move him. He wants superstar level money and the Spurs

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Speaker 2: might be able to provide that. So they were one

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Speaker 2: potential trade partner, and at that point, the King said, well,

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Speaker 2: if we're going to trade it, we wants to find

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Speaker 2: Castle a lot of yukon the number four pick in

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Speaker 2: the recent NBA draft. And look, they value Castle, they

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Speaker 2: don't want to trade him. But according to Brian Windhorst,

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Speaker 2: you know, the Spurs value Castle so greatly, he's basically

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Speaker 2: untouchable unless somebody like Luka Doncitz was offered. Well, the

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Speaker 2: irony is, as of yesterday, there was no reason to

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Speaker 2: believe that the Mavericks were ever going to trade do

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Speaker 2: Luka Donchez. But things change, and look what was happening

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Speaker 2: behind the scenes. And guess who didn't know. And you know,

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Speaker 2: there was a time that Rob Polinka he consulted with

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Speaker 2: Anthony Davis and Lebron on free agent moves, trades. They

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Speaker 2: were liking the front office damn near And of course

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Speaker 2: Lebron infamously has his signature all over the Russell Westbrook acquisition,

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Speaker 2: which you'll have to wear the rest of his life.

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00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: That went over like a lead balloon. And the truth

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Speaker 2: of the matter is, I don't think they've taken Lebron

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Speaker 2: seriously since then when it comes to personnel decisions. So

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00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: guests who had no idea that the Anthony Davis Luka

548
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Speaker 2: doncons trade was in the works. Apparently Lebron was just

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Speaker 2: as shocked about the Lakers getting Luca as the rest

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Speaker 2: of us were, especially you know, trading Anthony Davis, who

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Speaker 2: he believed was the heir apparent to Lebron. Believe was

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Speaker 2: the heir apparent to Lebron when he retires twenty years

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Speaker 2: from now. This trade actolutely sent shockwaves. All right, Lebron

554
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: was apparently a dinner and you might, you know, raise

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Speaker 2: an eyebrow because Lebron had a lack of knowledge about

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Speaker 2: this deal. But keep in mind, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: anybody knew, I mean, who hinted it the possibility of

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Speaker 2: either Luka Doncicz or Anthony Davis for that matter, being

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Speaker 2: on the move. The rumors were the possibility of the

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Speaker 2: Lakers maybe adding a center, and Anthony Davis himself suggested

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Speaker 2: it just a week ago. This is the beauty of

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Speaker 2: his business, This is the beauty of sports. And again

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Speaker 2: considering how closely Vice President of Basketball Operations Rob Polinka

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Speaker 2: has worked with Lebron and Anthony Davis for that matter,

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Speaker 2: going all the way back to twenty nineteen, on Rotter

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Speaker 2: decisions leaving them both in the dark hair is his surprise.

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Speaker 2: So if neither Lebron ad or Luca knew the trade happening,

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Speaker 2: it really lends further credence to the fact that this deal,

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Speaker 2: whenever they started considering it, came to fruition very fast.

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Speaker 2: You know the old joke three people could keep a

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Speaker 2: secret of two of them are dead. Well, this was

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Speaker 2: very kept secretive. And Sean's chernning. When he broke the story,

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00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 2: everybody thought he was hacked, right, that's why you wait

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00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 2: and see, all right, what's clear is As have done

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00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 2: it again. They've made a splash. They've given Lebron a

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Speaker 2: new toy to play with, and the shiny new toy

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Speaker 2: as he I see this in air quotes, pushes for

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Speaker 2: another title at the age of forty, which I do

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Speaker 2: not believe he'll get. But what the hell? That's grade

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Speaker 2: the trade, because this is what we do. What's the

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Speaker 2: consensus among NBA insiders that are more connected than I am.

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Speaker 2: They are giving the Los Angeles Lakers an A grade,

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Speaker 2: A resounding A grade. Okay, he traded kid Anthony Davis,

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Speaker 2: who's no longer a kid. He's about to turn thirty two.

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Speaker 2: Last couple of years have been pretty good, but he's

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Speaker 2: been injured a lot for a soon to be twenty

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Speaker 2: six year old perennial MVP candidate who, oh, by the way,

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Speaker 2: very much helped carry his team to the NBA Finals

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Speaker 2: just what seven eight months ago. Here's the kicker, the Lakers.

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Speaker 2: This is why this grade's an a. They did it

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Speaker 2: for a trade package that you really have a hard

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Speaker 2: time getting your mind around. Think about it. They basically

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Speaker 2: got Luka Donchetz and gave up one first round pick.

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Speaker 2: Let's also draw some perspective about this in much the

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00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: same way I did the Kareem Abdul Jabbar trade back

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Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy five, fifty years ago. Just five years ago,

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00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: the Clippers gave up Shay Gilgis, five first round picks

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Speaker 2: and two pick swaps for Paul George. How that work out.

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00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 2: Two years ago, the Phoenix Suns gave up a bunch

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Speaker 2: of rotation players, including Cam Johnson and McHale Bridges, and

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Speaker 2: four first rounders for Kevin Durant, who at the time

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00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 2: was thirty four. Not long after that, the Milwaukee Bucks

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Speaker 2: got Damian Lillard for a package that included three first

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Speaker 2: round picks. How many titles of the Clippers and the

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00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: Suns and the Bucks won in the last five years.

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Speaker 2: You can answer later, oh, did I mention? LA got

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Speaker 2: Luca in his prime for one first round pick. My look,

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00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 2: Anthony Davis is a great player, but you get a

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00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: collection of assets. It feels like pennies on the dollar

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00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 2: while other are several teams could have offered. Now, look,

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00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: think about how many future picks the Oklahoma City Thunder,

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00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: the San Antonio Spurs, and the Utah Jazz have. There

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00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 2: was just no open viting on this. They weren't going

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Speaker 2: to give up that kind of capital. And of course

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00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: that's not the Lakers problem. They're dancing I guarantee the

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Speaker 2: Lakers are dancing in the aisle on this deal. Luca's

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Speaker 2: been in the league six years, He's first team All

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Speaker 2: NBA five times. He's already in the top fifty all

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Speaker 2: time in career VEPCE years. When you get a player

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Speaker 2: of this caliber in his twenties for a gentlemen, is

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Speaker 2: it fair that to say that Anthony Davis has passed

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Speaker 2: his prime. He might be. He's a good player, he's

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Speaker 2: a non playmaker. Okay, you get a young player, you've

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00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 2: already declined a team option on Okay, right, you get

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00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 2: the picture. The Lakers are dancing in the aisle. The

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00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: truth of the matter is what they got and what

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00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 2: their hopes aren't for the future, they'd have to spend

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Speaker 2: a lot on Well, guess what. The NBA pundits again,

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Speaker 2: I say that in the non pejorative sense, have given

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Speaker 2: the Dallas Mavericks a great f. They gave the Lakers

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Speaker 2: an A and the Mavericks an F. All right, there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of media personalities and fans in Dallas that

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Speaker 2: are going to wake up on Sunday morning and say,

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Speaker 2: does this really make any sense? You know? Yeah, They're

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Speaker 2: going to talk about Luca's conditioning and his commitment to

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Speaker 2: the organization. They felt it wasn't strong in a lot

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00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 2: of ways. The lack of commitment was mutual. But you know,

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00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 2: and if you really were to give Luca a Supermax deal,

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00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 2: would that be a wise investment? And again, the general

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Speaker 2: manager for the Mavericks has already weighed in, Nico Harrison

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Speaker 2: and said, quote, I believe the defense wins championships. I

642
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 2: believe in getting an all defensive center and an all

643
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: NBA player with a defensive mindset gives us a better chance.

644
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: We're built to win now and in the future. With

645
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 2: all due respect, I'm not sure I'm buying it. Sounds

646
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: like a real vote of confidence to Kyrie Irving. Maybe

647
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 2: he's all the offense they believe they need. Good luck

648
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 2: with that. He's been a good boy Scott the last

649
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 2: couple of years. But to me, Kyrie Irving will always

650
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 2: have the credibility of a dermatologist with acne. By the way,

651
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 2: NBA superstar is notoriously difficult to deal with for decades.

652
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 2: The Lakers once had their rebuff a pretty serious trade

653
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,439
Speaker 2: request from Kobe Bryant. Obviously, Anthony Davis is a better

654
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Speaker 2: defender than Luca, but the defense wins championships is an

655
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: old Hackney cliched. Okay, the MAVs are allowing one hundred

656
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 2: and ten points per one hundred processions with Luca on

657
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 2: the floor, I get it. Defensive anchors are easier to find.

658
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: You can find them, but how do you find it

659
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 2: once in a generation offensive hub. From a basketball perspective,

660
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Speaker 2: I don't think anybody in the NBA world is selling

661
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: this is a positive for Dallas. And on top of that,

662
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Speaker 2: if the MAVs were gonna consider moving talent to this level,

663
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: totally unforeseen, middle of the night deal right before the

664
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Speaker 2: trade deadline. It just seems like the date of their

665
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 2: offering is a little questionable. There's still four and a

666
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 2: half days to the trade deadline. If the MAVs even

667
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: you have a handful of potential suitors that Luca might

668
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: have been available, then they could have had a massive

669
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 2: bidding war. Okay, no possible way. This was the best

670
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 2: deal the team could have gotten between nod men Thursday.

671
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: Just my take. By the way, the Utah Jazz are

672
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: also involved. They were given a grade as to a

673
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: D plus. Utah is one of those teams that's got

674
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 2: a mountain of draft picks. They got some young talent,

675
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: they got some veterans, They were movable. If they knew

676
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Speaker 2: Luca was available, why didn't they offer some of that?

677
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: For all we know, maybe they did, We don't know.

678
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 2: The Jazz have been searching for a bona fide number

679
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: one starter since they started their own rebuild. They got

680
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 2: rid of Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell three years ago.

681
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,240
Speaker 2: They got Lori marketIn, who appears to be decent. But look,

682
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Speaker 2: if you're to put a one to two punch donss

683
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 2: and marketing on the floor. Utah would probably win back

684
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Speaker 2: in the playoff hunt. So Utah gets a D, the

685
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 2: Mavericks get an F, and the Lakers get an A.

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Speaker 2: comes to us every Saturday night, twelve midnight Pacific on

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Speaker 2: the Burn Frattle Show, and Mark, I actually have plenty

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Speaker 2: of meat on the boat inside of the besides the

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Speaker 2: lead story, but let's dive right into it without any cajuling.

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Speaker 2: I would like to know at this point, do you

705
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Speaker 2: have any information on the chronology of this. It appears

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Speaker 2: that the impetus was an overture made by Dallas to

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Speaker 2: the Lakers. But can you take us back, do we

708
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: this seminal event? How did this whole thing start?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's a very good question, and we'll know

710
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 5: more and more. But here's what I do. No one

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00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 5: this did come out of nowhere. Prior to tonight. The

712
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Speaker 5: Lakers kind of initial expectations before this upcoming tradeline on

713
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Speaker 5: February sixth was that, you know, they would be aggressive

714
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Speaker 5: and see what they could make moves, but they weren't

715
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Speaker 5: expecting anything significant. You know, they would be on the margins.

716
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 5: They'd be willing to trade draft picks, but only if

717
00:40:55,600 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 5: it you know, made the roster better, you know, significant only.

718
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 5: But they weren't expecting blockbuster trades. So this is a

719
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 5: move that was initiated by Dallas. Now, Dallas will push

720
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 5: back and say, you know, Luca didn't demand a trade,

721
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Speaker 5: He didn't give any indication that he didn't want to

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Speaker 5: re sign with an extension. But I do feel like

723
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Speaker 5: unless you feel like he is their long term fit,

724
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Speaker 5: that you don't do this kind of move. Now, you know,

725
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 5: since the move has happened, you know, there's been a

726
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 5: lot of concerns expressed about Luca Dontrisch's conditioning and deserve ability.

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Speaker 5: But I'm not going to discount those things. But those

728
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 5: things have been prevalent throughout his career and that hasn't

729
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 5: prevented him from being a generational talent. So I think

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Speaker 5: for Dallas, it's more about the calculus that, uh, he

731
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 5: is a generational talent. But they're kind of moving in

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00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 5: mud right now. They're in eighth place. You know, there's

733
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 5: some thought around the league, you know that I from

734
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Speaker 5: an executive that I talked to before the season did

735
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 5: that they're kind of seen as a one hit wonder

736
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 5: with being the NBA Finals last season, so they feel like,

737
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 5: you know, here they can get a bigger defensive identity.

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Speaker 5: The chemistry with Kyrie Irving is going to be great.

739
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Speaker 5: I think with the Lakers, what they've really done is

740
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 5: no doubt they have addressed the long term. Luca is

741
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 5: the face of their franchise. Whenever Lebron James retires. But

742
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 5: you know, in fairness, Anthony Davis and Lebron, they've been

743
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 5: playing pretty good basketball up until this past week at

744
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 5: eightiest and pretty healthy, but the best has been there.

745
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 5: A second tier team in the West, they're not a

746
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 5: championship contender. So short term there's gonna be questions about

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00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 5: Luca's conditioning his injury. He hasn't played since, you know,

748
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 5: near Christmas. How who do the players the Lakers even

749
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 5: play at center right now? I think long term, you know,

750
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 5: Luca Dotris is Luca Docics. So this is going to

751
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 5: be a good thing, and it does give them a

752
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 5: fighters chance actually contend the season.

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Speaker 2: And of course, ironically Luca currently out with the calf injury,

754
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 2: I might understand he slated to return Saturday, February eighth,

755
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 2: conveniently the Lakers at home in an afternoon game against

756
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Speaker 2: the Indiana Pacers. Do you expect Luca to be on

757
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 2: the floor that day with the Lakers.

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Speaker 5: I would expect so, But I think, to be completely

759
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 5: honest with you, Bernie, the fact that he hasn't been

760
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 5: in LA and you don't know the ins and outs

761
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 5: of day to day progress and when evaluation period, it's

762
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 5: going to happen, but I would expect that it would

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00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 5: be next Saturday. You know, I would be surprised that

764
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 5: his debut was against the Clippers Tuesday, because he's got

765
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 5: to come in and get situated and do all the

766
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 5: physical stuff. So this gives him a little bit of

767
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Speaker 5: a ramp up time.

768
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Speaker 2: So for years, Rob Palinka leaned on Lebron for console.

769
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Speaker 2: I think the Russell Westbrook debacle kind of kibosh that

770
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Speaker 2: Lebron claims he was shocked, he was at dinner, didn't

771
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 2: know about this. To you buy that, I do buy it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, let's look at the Corowady year. The

773
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Speaker 5: Wakers play the Knicks on the East Coast. They had

774
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 5: a pretty good win, and I don't think anyone saw

775
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 5: this coming. Even though Lebron will always say yeah, he

776
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 5: wants the Lakers to win, make moves before the trade deadline,

777
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 5: doesn't care about the draft picks. He liked playing with

778
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 5: Anthony Davis. They have a really good partnership.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: Obviously they only have one championship to show for it,

781
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Speaker 5: and they've had some playoff shortcomings. A lot of it

782
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 5: had to do with their own injuries, and I think

783
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 5: in fairness ad again, he's technically been out with an

784
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 5: abdominal injury, but he's been pretty injury free since January

785
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 5: twenty twenty three, So I don't get any sense that

786
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 5: Lebron was pushing for Ady to be out. I don't

787
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 5: get any sense that he was behind the scenes maneuver

788
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 5: or anything. But that being said, I think once he

789
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 5: gets over the shock of lose Anthony Davis, he's going

790
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 5: to embrace Luka Doncics for probably obvious reasons. Luca is

791
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 5: a really good player. He's been a fan of him,

792
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 5: you know. Funny enough, I think four years ago he

793
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 5: was talking a few of us, including myself, about how

794
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 5: he was hoping to try to recor route Luca to

795
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 5: be a part of his shoe company, and he wound

796
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 5: up doing his own thing. But there's a lot of

797
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 5: mutual respect, you know. I know Luca's rookie season, Lebron

798
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 5: gave him his jersey here. So there's going to be

799
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 5: some x's and o's adjustments because lucas so ball dominant,

800
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 5: obviously so is Lebron. But I think the fit, you know,

801
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 5: after the initial hiccups, is going to be pretty good

802
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 5: because they're both really talented players, and this season is

803
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 5: Lebron's workload quite a bit.

804
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: You just read my mind. That was my next question.

805
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: They're going to get on the floor. Eventually, this is

806
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: going to manifest itself into practical matter. At ninety four feet,

807
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: they're both ball dominant. Luca needs the ball to be impactful.

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00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 2: That's not debatable. Will they coexist? I think you just

809
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: answered it.

810
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they'll coexist fine. And look, we've had

811
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 5: these discussions before with Lebron James a new star. You

812
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 5: mentioned Russell Westbrook, but Luka Doncris is on a completely

813
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 5: different stratosphere than Russ. You know, he has been playing

814
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 5: really good basketball before he got hurt. He's a great score.

815
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Speaker 5: He knows how to create his own shot. Doesn't mean

816
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 5: he's a complete player. We talked about the conditioning his defense.

817
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 5: You know, it's improved relatively, but no one's going to

818
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 5: put him on an All NBA defensive team. But when

819
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 5: it comes to making plays and being a consistent score,

820
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Speaker 5: Luca does that. He is a great outside shooter, knows

821
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Speaker 5: how to create a shot, knows how to use that

822
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 5: deadly floater. Or with Russ, you know, he's just you

823
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 5: know he's on speed and that's it. Like he makes

824
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 5: a lot of reckless decisions, and I think that's where

825
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 5: the tension was pulled, because even though he gets a

826
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Speaker 5: lot of assists numbers, he doesn't always make the right

827
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 5: basketball play and often leaves the turnovers.

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Speaker 2: All right, So, someone who had the pleasure of interning

829
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Speaker 2: at the Forums, it's some very pivotal years. I was

830
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Speaker 2: there a court side for damn near every one of

831
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: Magic's games is rookie year. I've always said the Lakers

832
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 2: are a franchise defined by Aris Will Baylor, Jerry West,

833
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Speaker 2: Kareem and Magic Scheck and Kobe. Now Lebron is part

834
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Speaker 2: of the decision here based on the fact that Lakers

835
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Speaker 2: are playing the long game, that Luca is part of that.

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Speaker 2: It's going to could potentially be for a twenty six

837
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Speaker 2: year old offensive, prolific guy, could be Luca aer Be beginning.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's a huge part of this calculus.

839
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 5: That Lebron James is forty, He's still playing also are

840
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 5: caliber level, but his days are numbered, his years are numbered.

841
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 5: So yeah, the Lakers are really trying to prepare for

842
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 5: that long term play. Now, I think, in fairness to this.

843
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 5: When they got Anthony Davis, they were trying to make

844
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 5: him that guy. Lebron James was trying to make him

845
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 5: that guy said it as much he would say, yeah,

846
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 5: the offense runs through a D. And there were some

847
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 5: hiccups his first few years. Again, I think eighty really

848
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 5: turned a corner in the twenty twenty two to twenty

849
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Speaker 5: three season when they got to the Western Conference Finals.

850
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Speaker 5: But I think what became clear here is that even

851
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Speaker 5: with Lebron and ad mostly being healthy and playing a

852
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 5: consistently high level with some roster depth of decent role players,

853
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 5: they seem that's just not good enough. Their best, you know,

854
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,399
Speaker 5: ceiling is you know, being a playoff team that can

855
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 5: make some noise, but nothing more than that. And so

856
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 5: I think that that was part of the calculus too,

857
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 5: that we saw that the best version of what this

858
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 5: Lakers team could be with those two players, and the

859
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 5: idea of trying to replicate that twenty nineteen twenty season

860
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 5: just wasn't going to happen because it's hard to really

861
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 5: bottle up that kind of supporting cast with all the

862
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 5: spending restrictions and just need to have continuity and right

863
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 5: roster pieces that they decide, you know what, let's get

864
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 5: another star player that's also a lot younger and frankly

865
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 5: a lot better. So all that being said, I think

866
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 5: the bigger thing is the long term play about the

867
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 5: base of the franchise. But as long as Lebron's on

868
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 5: your team, and it is the Lakers, they do have this. Okay,

869
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 5: let's give him another shot to win a title, as

870
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 5: long as this doesn't sacrifice our long term future. So

871
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 5: that's part of it as well.

872
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 2: By the way, as part of the Mavericks calculus, I

873
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: am sufficiently convinced they did not want to give Luca

874
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 2: a five year super Max contract for three hundred and

875
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 2: forty five million. And just to set the record for

876
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 2: the people that are listening, now that Luke has been traded,

877
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 2: he's no longer eligible for that. He's slated to make

878
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 2: I think forty six million next year and forty nine million.

879
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 2: Do you expect the Lakers to lock up Luca long term?

880
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 2: Are they going to take this year by year and

881
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 2: see what happens.

882
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 5: No. I think the Lakers they want to make this

883
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 5: trade if it was just a rental, and that's a

884
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 5: I think that even though technically, you know, it's against

885
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 5: the rules, and I don't think they even try to

886
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 5: go down that path of getting assurances on what his

887
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 5: future would be. I think that they made the calculus

888
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 5: that it kind of speaks for himself. Were the Lakers

889
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 5: or a perduced franchise, Lucer gets to play with Lebron,

890
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 5: Luca gets to be the face of the franchise once

891
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 5: Lebron retires. It's all kind of self explanatory.

892
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 2: Mark, let's have a little fun. The NBA pundits, and

893
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 2: I don't say that in the pejorative all right, these

894
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 2: are people who get paid to cover the league for

895
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: a living have sort of weighed in with grades. They

896
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 2: gave the Mavericks a resounding f and apparently they're not

897
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 2: necessarily buying Nico Harrison's the general manager for the Mavericks,

898
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 2: statement that defense wins championships and now that they got

899
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 2: an all defensive center, the defensive mindset they think to

900
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 2: get a better chance to win a championship. People don't

901
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 2: seem to be buying that.

902
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 5: Let's say you, yeah, I'm surprised that they didn't try

903
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 5: to get even more out of this deal. Now, it's

904
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 5: not like the Lakers had a lot more to offer,

905
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 5: and I think that they know it's not like they

906
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 5: want to strip down the roster. But I am surprised

907
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 5: that they didn't get another team involved.

908
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: I could get well, it wasn't involved. But on the periphery,

909
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 2: what's that. Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Yes, yes, yes,

910
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:05,959
Speaker 2: As a matter of let me let me jump ahead

911
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 2: real quickly, because one of the reasons these same folks

912
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: gave the Lakers an a is because on the trade

913
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: for the grade is essentially they got Luca and gave

914
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 2: up one first round draft pick. And when you juxtaposed

915
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 2: what the Clippers had to give up for, you know,

916
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 2: a few years ago for Paul George, and what the

917
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 2: Sons had to give up for Kevin Durant and the

918
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 2: Bucks had to give up for Damian Lillard, some people

919
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 2: are feeling like they might have picked Dallas's pocket.

920
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that there's definitely I thought of that.

921
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 5: You know, Look, obviously, Anthony Davis is a great player.

922
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 5: First round pick I gave up Max Christie. He was

923
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 5: an intriguing young player. But yeah, I was surprised that

924
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 5: they didn't get more out of the steal. But I

925
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 5: do think that when you're looking at Dallas's end. I

926
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 5: do give the Lakers a better grade out of this,

927
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 5: but I think you can make the case short term

928
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 5: that Dallas will benefit it from it more. Here's a

929
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 5: few reasons. One, when it comes to availability, Anthony Davis's

930
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 5: injury isn't considered that series. He's going to be reevaluated

931
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 5: later this week. I want to be surprised he starts

932
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 5: seeing up and playing pretty soon. Chemistry with him and

933
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 5: Kyrie Irving is going to be great. It's very natural

934
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 5: as a one two punch, and Anthony Davis can be

935
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 5: that defensive anchor. And to Anthony Davis's credit, like he

936
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 5: has been a defensive Player of the Year kind of

937
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 5: candidate because he's been all over the place, great room protector.

938
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 5: But you know, Dallas does have a lot of good

939
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 5: defensive depths. Now they don't have Derek Lively because of injury,

940
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 5: but they still have, you know, some other good players. PJ.

941
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 5: Washington comes to mind as far as the perimeter goes.

942
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 5: You know, Clay is not a lockdown defender Klay Thompson,

943
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 5: but he's a good catch and shoot player. So what

944
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 5: I'm gaining at is Dallas is still a team that

945
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 5: can be reckoned with They do have good roster depth,

946
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 5: they have star power. I wouldn't put them in, you know,

947
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 5: a championship contender in the Western Conference, but I want

948
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 5: to put the Lakers out that either or because Oklahoma

949
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 5: City has just been that dominant. I think both teams

950
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 5: made the calculus that they've had almost a half a

951
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 5: season to see what they're likely seeing is and they

952
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 5: figure they better make a better deal because there's more

953
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 5: upside of them.

954
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 2: So coming from a Vegas perspective. Interestingly enough, Mark, four

955
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: hours ago, the Lakers odds to win an NBA title

956
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 2: were forty to one. After the trade, they're down to

957
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 2: eighteen to one. Oh, so here's a question for you. Now,

958
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 2: that's a betting market deal. The books are always going

959
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 2: to try to try to maximize profit, minimize risk. The

960
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 2: don't want to be exposed. Just in case, because the

961
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 2: season ended today, I believe the Lakers would play the

962
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 2: Denver Nuggets. Is that fair that I think they would

963
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 2: open up if it ended today? Who gives the Lakers

964
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 2: a better chance to win that series? Anthony Davis or

965
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: Luka Dungeics.

966
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 5: As far as the Denver Nuggets go, Well, it's interesting

967
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 5: because when you look at the history, the Lakers have

968
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 5: not been able to figure out the Denver Nuggets, you know,

969
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 5: these past few years, and that was even with Anthony

970
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 5: Davis playing really well. There just hasn't been an answer

971
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 5: to Nikola Jokic. So I would actually argue that the

972
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 5: Lakers that have a better shot with Luca because one

973
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 5: any short term hiccups I would think would be ironed

974
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 5: out before the playoffs start. Number two, You're not going

975
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 5: to be able to do anything this Nicole Joki. She's

976
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 5: an MVP cannon for a reason. So why not beat

977
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 5: them in a different way with having great perimeters, scoring,

978
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 5: great playmaking. So yeah, it would be a tough haul regardless,

979
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 5: but I do give them having a better shot now

980
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 5: they have Luke on their team.

981
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 2: Interestingly enough, on the other side of the coin, the

982
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 2: Daalax Mavericks odds got slightly worse to win the NBA title.

983
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 2: If you if you're looking at this, but you know,

984
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 2: do you believe you know they you know they got

985
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 2: Max Christy, a couple other guys. The point is you

986
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 2: believe Dallas believes they have a better chance because they're

987
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 2: better defensively.

988
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 5: Now, well that's certainly what they believe, and I think

989
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 5: that they can be a better team. It's just here's

990
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 5: through reality, Bernie. If they're going to play the Oklahoma

991
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 5: City Thunder in the playoffs, because that's how it's cedar

992
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 5: right now, there's no way they would have beat the

993
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 5: Thunder anyway with Luca or now ads. So they'll get

994
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 5: a little bit better, but I don't think significantly. I

995
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 5: do think that some of the people I was talking

996
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 5: to were onto something before the season as far as

997
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 5: executives from other team where they viewed Dallas as a

998
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 5: one hit wonder. But it had nothing to do with Luca.

999
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 5: It just had to do with the fact that even

1000
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 5: when you add Kyrie and some of the roster depth,

1001
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,720
Speaker 5: there is a feeling that this is just not enough.

1002
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 5: And also the Western Conference landscape has just gotten insanely

1003
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 5: competitive because Oklahoma City has such a great young team.

1004
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,879
Speaker 5: Same thing with the Houston Rocket. Sea Moran is back

1005
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 5: with the Memphis Grizzlies, that was just going to be

1006
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 5: a haul for them to repeat that.

1007
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 2: Talking with Mark Medina and Medina Magic Fox Sports Radio,

1008
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 2: a Fox Sports Radio NBA guru, we are all reacting

1009
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 2: to what has been a shocking development in the NBA.

1010
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 2: What I said Mark in my opening monologue was, look,

1011
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 2: superstars get traded, but I don't recall a superstar getting

1012
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 2: traded for another superstar in the NBA mid season right

1013
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 2: before the trade deadline in this unexpected fashion. So I

1014
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 2: think at this point we fleshed out about everything we

1015
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 2: can on that subject, we're just going to sound like

1016
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 2: two guys in the bar saying wow, can you believe it?

1017
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 2: And that's not the kind of radio I want to do.

1018
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 2: But this has been really good with what we know

1019
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 2: so far, So I want to get to some of

1020
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 2: the other subjects I had prepared for us tonight because

1021
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 2: there's a lot of meat on the bone. As the

1022
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 2: trade deadline is this Thursday. Bring us up to date.

1023
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 2: The Jimmy Butler saga continues to be even more of

1024
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 2: a soap opera. It's hard for me to believe he

1025
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,520
Speaker 2: gets traded by Thursday, but stranger things have happened. Look

1026
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,879
Speaker 2: what just happened two hours ago. What are your thoughts

1027
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 2: on Jimmy Butler?

1028
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 5: Expect the unexpected because he's been suspended three times already.

1029
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 5: No laid us after walking out of practice because he

1030
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 5: was upset that he wasn't going to be starting, So

1031
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 5: with that, I think his trade value is diminished. I

1032
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 5: think Miami has started to lower the bar as far

1033
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 5: as what their expectations are, but it's still complicated. I mean,

1034
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 5: I don't see any scenario how he gets to the

1035
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 5: Phoenix Suns because of Bradley Beal's no trade clause and

1036
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 5: the fact that I don't think either party is interested

1037
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 5: in that kind of partnership. But the fact that Jimmy

1038
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 5: Butler has just been so volatile and he once again

1039
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 5: extension even though he's thirty seven years old and has

1040
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 5: been coming off of injuries from last season. It's just

1041
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 5: not realistic. So I know that there's talk about the

1042
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 5: Warriors potentially being interested, but I'd be very surprised, you know.

1043
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 5: It's I've been given the impression that they have no

1044
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 5: interest and they just feel like that would be a

1045
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 5: waste of time. And even though you know, they would

1046
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 5: have a better I think culture around Jimmy Butler because

1047
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 5: of the respect for Steph Curry and Draymond Green, they

1048
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 5: feel like they're better off, you know, investing in some

1049
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 5: of their young guys, with Jonathan Kaminga and Brandon Podzemski,

1050
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 5: even though you know, they shown flashes of good potential

1051
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 5: and also flashes of inconsistency. So I don't know where

1052
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 5: he goes to be frank And with Miami, they do

1053
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 5: have some pressure to trade him because he has a

1054
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 5: fifty two million dollar player option, and you know, you

1055
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 5: can say all you want, Okay, well, if Jimmy doesn't

1056
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 5: really want to be here, we can let him walk

1057
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 5: in the off season. But I'm Jimmy Butler, you really

1058
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 5: turning down fifty two million dollars because you're UPSat again

1059
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 5: an extension? It's uh, you know, it wouldn't make any

1060
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 5: financial sense to do that.

1061
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 2: How about Deer and Fox?

1062
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that that's more likely of a trade

1063
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 5: happening because he's playing at a really high level. He

1064
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 5: hasn't been demonstrative with Sacramento. He's just let it be

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00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 5: known that he doesn't have any intentions to sign extension.

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Speaker 5: So here's an opportunity to get something in return. You know,

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Speaker 5: I've been told as well as others have been that

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Speaker 5: you know, he has a wish list and the Lakers

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00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 5: aren't part of it. Now in light of today's trade,

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Speaker 5: that that might be irrelevant, and the Lakers might think, well,

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00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 5: who cares? But you know, it does make sense that

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00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 5: there are reports out there that he is eyeing the

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00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 5: San Antonio Spurs because you combine him with Victor one Banama,

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00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 5: with how great of the player he's grown, you know,

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00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 5: they can really do wonders in the playoffs. But I

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00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 5: think that the thing that teams are going to be

1077
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 5: calculating is that they don't have to trade for him now.

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00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 5: Maybe they just wait until it becomes a free agent

1079
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 5: this summer, because then that way they can just sign

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01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 5: them out right. So did the Spurs make that kind

1081
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 5: of gamble? We'll have to wait and see.

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Speaker 2: Titler Mark Adda Adida magic Mark another subject we have

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01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 2: to broach tonight if we maintain our journalistic integrity. Another

1084
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 2: player for the Miami Heat Terry Rosier, an eleven year veteran.

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01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 2: He's in the news for a decidedly different reason. He's

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01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 2: on the heels of John tay Porter's lifetime ban and

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Speaker 2: the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, through US Attorney's Office, is

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Speaker 2: looking into multiple inquiries involving a situation at Temple University.

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Speaker 2: Let's go back to Terryett Rosier, there's a federal probe.

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Speaker 2: Can you tell us what you know? And where is

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Speaker 2: Adam Silver weighing in on this if he has well,

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Speaker 2: the NBA.

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Speaker 5: Has said in a statement that they've investigated all this,

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01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 5: but they have determined there's absolutely no wrongdoing.

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01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 2: Now really, okay, now.

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Speaker 5: Here's some veat here. The US Attorney's Office is still investigating,

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Speaker 5: and the NBA doesn't have the kind of jurisdiction that

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01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 5: they would have, right So Dave determined things, but they

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01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 5: can't probe that deeply. They can probe deeply, but they

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Speaker 5: don't have access to what the government would have as

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01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 5: far as like phone logs and records and things like that. Yeah, exactly.

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01:01:23,080 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 5: They don't have subpoena power either. So Terry Rogieri, you

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01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 5: mentioned that he's with the Miami here right now, which

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01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 5: is true. But the question in play is when he

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01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 5: was with the Charlotte Hornets, because you know, there were

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01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 5: a games specifically against the New Orland r Yeah, where

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01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 5: he was. There were some parlays about how he would play,

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01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 5: and he only played nine minutes and allout of not

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01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 5: returning because the team mentioned a foot issue. He didn't

1110
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 5: play the rest of the season. Now that might raise

1111
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 5: some red flags for you know, certain vetting places, but

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01:01:57,040 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 5: it does make sense here because he was with the Hornets.

1113
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 5: They're tanking at the end of the year, so it

1114
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 5: is plausible that happens. But I think when you look

1115
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 5: at a bird, you know, a big picture with this.

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01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 5: This is something that the NBA is obviously aware about

1117
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 5: and always concerned about because it's not just about monitoring,

1118
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 5: you know how, making sure that there's no gambling indiscretions

1119
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 5: when it comes to outcomes when you're looking at parlay bets,

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Speaker 5: it really dives into so much minutia with the game,

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01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 5: with player performances and different trends in the first, second, third,

1122
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 5: fourth quarter, whether a player gets a triple double or

1123
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 5: not that you know, the NBA stands obviously money drives

1124
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 5: a lot of things, but their feeling was in the

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Speaker 5: modern society that they are, they may as well, you know,

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Speaker 5: embrace this as opposed to have the prohibition tactic and

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01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 5: say gambling is not allowed and then allow the underground

1128
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Speaker 5: to take care of that. But because of the times

1129
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 5: that we're in where every little thing into a parlay bet,

1130
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 5: that becomes a huge concern for the NBA. But at

1131
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 5: least for now. I do give them the beth out

1132
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 5: that Terry Rozier wasn't a part of it, and I'm

1133
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 5: not going to be naive to think that this is

1134
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 5: the end of it. But just using logic, it makes

1135
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 5: sense that Johntay Porter was the player that was found

1136
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 5: guilty of doing this because he was an end of

1137
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 5: a rotation player. He essentially didn't have as much to

1138
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 5: lose as it would be a star player. And I

1139
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 5: think for a star player, or even a rotation player,

1140
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 5: I think they would make the calculation that's not worth

1141
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 5: sacrificing a career as well as significant earnings just to

1142
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 5: manipulate some of these bests.

1143
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Speaker 2: So, Mark, because of tonight's breaking news, a couple of

1144
01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 2: other topics that I think are important, we'll push to

1145
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 2: the back. Any chance you could hang with us from

1146
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 2: one more quick segment, Sure, love to do it, great,

1147
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 2: Mark Medina, Medina Magic, Keep it locked. You listened to

1148
01:03:58,200 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 2: the Bernie Fraddle Show on Fox Sports Radio.

1149
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

1150
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 3: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio

1151
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:11,600
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1152
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 3: listen live.

1153
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 2: All Right back at the Bernie Frattle Show, Fox Sports Radio,

1154
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 2: wrap it up with Mark Madeena nice enough to stay

1155
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 2: with us for a second segment. This happens every few

1156
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 2: months where there's so much we got to get to

1157
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 2: it all. Mark. Two more things I had on the

1158
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 2: DOCTA that I think are important. Look, the NBA just

1159
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 2: you know, landed a massive eleven year, seventy six billion

1160
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 2: dollars billion with the b Metea writes to you, But

1161
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 2: the vibe to me feels different for no other reason

1162
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 2: that why would Adam Silver even intimate possibly ten minute quarters.

1163
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 2: What's going on here?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think that he's mindful that there has been

1165
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 5: some ratings decrease. There is a society that has add

1166
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 5: and he's flowed in a trial balloon because when you're

1167
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 5: looking at you know, he often invokes, you know, the

1168
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 5: European soccer model and those time of games is not

1169
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:12,439
Speaker 5: as long. But yeah, I don't like the idea either

1170
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 5: because it completely changes the tenor of the game. And

1171
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 5: now the easier retort is why not just start the

1172
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 5: games on time? The reason why it doesn't start on

1173
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 5: time is because of TV and commercials and when you

1174
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 5: sign a new lucrative deal. You just live with that.

1175
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 5: But I think this is a trial balloon. Michael Malone

1176
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 5: has already said he's not a fan of it. JJ

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01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:35,960
Speaker 5: Reriddick same thing. I don't think this is going to

1178
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,360
Speaker 5: go anywhere, and it'll give us content to talk about.

1179
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 5: But I think everyone's any namous agreement that shortening the

1180
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 5: game from twelve to ten minutes isn't good because it

1181
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 5: completely changes the complexion on how the game is actually played.

1182
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 2: I think it's ridiculous. Look, one of the great things

1183
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:57,560
Speaker 2: about sports is rivalry. The NBA truly lacks thoes right now.

1184
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 2: I believe the best players and teams in the current

1185
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 2: NBA iteration are less captivating than previous eras. I think

1186
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 2: the pace in space era isn't always very exciting basketball.

1187
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 2: The NBA stars aren't on the court often enough. I'm

1188
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 2: gonna go I can go on and on, but ten

1189
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 2: minutes that's not going to solve anything. Finally, a gentleman

1190
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 2: got fifteen minutes. We have to talk about Bronni Now, Okay,

1191
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna make fun of him. I'm not going

1192
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 2: to reach for any silly laugh lines in this quick conversation.

1193
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 2: All I know is something changed and somebody somewhere decided,

1194
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 2: why don't we put Brownie on the floor with starters,

1195
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 2: and why don't we have them guard Tyrese Maxi And

1196
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 2: then after the game, it's pretty clear they've got a

1197
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 2: muzzle on JJ Reddick. What's going on is this is

1198
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 2: all part of this new development program, because as I've

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01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 2: been on record forever saying, look, you want to have

1200
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 2: the father son taster's choice moment, Fine, you did it,

1201
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 2: manufactured history. No one else will probably ever get this again.

1202
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,840
Speaker 2: You're going to continue to try to sell us that

1203
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 2: he's a future NBA player. I'm not there yet. And

1204
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 2: what I saw Wednesday night and then what morphed into

1205
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 2: what happened a couple nights later in Philadelphia where they

1206
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 2: were channing MVP making fun of him. It felt like

1207
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 2: the manager of the basketball team getting on the floor

1208
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 2: at the end of the year and banking in a

1209
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 2: thirty foot three pointer and the crowd goes nuts. They're

1210
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 2: turning us into a circus. You've got the floor.

1211
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm with you. I mean, I was totally fine

1212
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 5: with Browny James being on the team because he's a

1213
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,520
Speaker 5: late draft pick. He was mostly playing with the g League,

1214
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 5: he had that father son moment, but it didn't last

1215
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 5: that long. Here he played consequential moments in a game

1216
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Speaker 5: that was still close at that point. Anthony Davis hadn't

1217
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 5: gotten hurt. At that point, the game was still close,

1218
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 5: and you know, they'll say that the idea was, well,

1219
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 5: they're trying to find some replacements because Kate Vincent was

1220
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,720
Speaker 5: out and it was hurt. They're trying to inject some

1221
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 5: energy because they're on along road trips, second night of

1222
01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 5: a back to back. But Brownie was just not ready

1223
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 5: for that moment, and it kind of puts him in

1224
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 5: a tough spot where he's not in a position to succeed.

1225
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 5: He's in a position to fail. You know, I think

1226
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 5: that when he does get minutes, it's supposed to be

1227
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 5: like what we saw the previous night when the Lakers

1228
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 5: blew out the Washington Wizards on Thursday. He can get

1229
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 5: all the fun mop up duty he wants and feel

1230
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 5: good moments there because he's not going to determine how

1231
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 5: much worse a game could be because of a few

1232
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,320
Speaker 5: bad passes that lead a turnover. So I'm with you

1233
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 5: one hundred percent that I'm just not with it on

1234
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 5: how they used him in that Philadelphia game.

1235
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Speaker 2: Marco, we'll pick this up next week. It's an ongoing story.

1236
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Speaker 2: And I'm of the belief that mop up duty does

1237
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 2: not develop an NBA player. He's played lots of basketball,

1238
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 2: and I think he's only played a ten games that

1239
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 2: we're in the G League.

1240
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Speaker 5: Well, I'll clarify. I mean mop up duty when you

1241
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 5: combine it with taxual G League games is fine, and

1242
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 5: that's what he's been doing. So I've been fine with

1243
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 5: everything with how they've handled it from that, and then

1244
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 5: he's on around the team occasionally on road trips because

1245
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 5: you can, you know, practice with the team, be a

1246
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 5: part of film sessions. All that's fine. Where they lost

1247
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 5: me was throwing him in a close game of consequence

1248
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 5: where he was asked to have, you know, meeting full assignments,

1249
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 5: and he's not ready for those.

1250
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 2: Mark, great stuff. Thanks so much for going over time

1251
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 2: with us tonight. And as I say, every week, we'll

1252
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 2: see what the new second next week as the trade

1253
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 2: deadline will be in the books, and we'll talk a.

1254
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:35,639
Speaker 5: Lot about Luca's debut.

1255
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:38,719
Speaker 2: I'm sure, Oh yes, that's right. She'd be next Saturday

1256
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 2: afternoon against Indiana. I'm sure you'll be there. Thanks a lot, Mark,

1257
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 2: all right, take care, Mark Medina Medina Magic. You hear

1258
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 2: him every Saturday night at midnight Pacific time on the

1259
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 2: Bernie Frauder Show. All right, let's have a little fun

1260
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 2: here and a relatively serious topic. Are you an NBA heter?

1261
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 2: They're out there, they're out there, and apparently in a

1262
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 2: recent survey, there are four or five key facets to

1263
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:14,960
Speaker 2: the NBA game that have essentially resurrected a new cadre

1264
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:18,720
Speaker 2: of NBA haters. Are you one of those haters? I'll

1265
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 2: bring into categories and why they feel this way? On

1266
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 2: Bernie Fraddlework comedy line from Las Vegas, Fox Sports Radio,

1267
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Speaker 2: H right back on the Bernie Frautles Show, Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: Radio Comedy Live from the tirerack dot Com Studios here

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Speaker 2: in Las Vegas, heavily dominant tonight on the Luca Anthony

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Speaker 2: Davis Trade. We've fleshed out as much as we humanly can.

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Speaker 2: We'll continue to reference it as it becomes pertinent, but

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01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 2: I want to stay on the NBA somewhat very simply

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01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 2: for this reason that, in spite of recently receiving a

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01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 2: massive eleven year, seventy six billion dollar media rights deal,

1277
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 2: hater's abound, and a recent survey was done, a fan

1278
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 2: survey was done, and it sort of gave us a

1279
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 2: focus as to the haters. I say this in air quotes.

1280
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:24,839
Speaker 2: I'm not a hater. Do I think the NBA product

1281
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 2: is as good as it used to be? No, And

1282
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 2: I'll get to my thoughts in a minute. But I'm

1283
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 2: not a hater. But what are the problems really people

1284
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 2: have in the NBA right now? One of them? And

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01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 2: I don't buy this one at all. The fans claim

1286
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 2: that the you know, the season, the eighty two regular

1287
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 2: game season is too long. Not buying it. They've been

1288
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 2: playing playing it for over fifty years. Travels better, everything's

1289
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 2: better now. And when you get a new media rights package,

1290
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 2: the idea is that you've got an inventory sport all right,

1291
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 2: and it provides value on a nightly basis to networks

1292
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 2: eighty two games throughout the year. I get it. It's

1293
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 2: far from appointment viewing every night, but there are enough

1294
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 2: mini events. Starting in the first month of the season,

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01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 2: and now even with the tournament in season, and like

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01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:20,680
Speaker 2: Mark Mdina and I just talked about Saturday, Luka, Doncic

1297
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 2: is cleared, is allegedly being cleared to play from his

1298
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 2: calf injury, so he'll make his debut in Los Angeles

1299
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 2: at home at one o'clock against the Indiana Pacers. That's

1300
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 2: an event you might want to see. And that's the

1301
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:40,000
Speaker 2: same dynamic that attracts people of the NBA. Why but

1302
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 2: not every single night. Every night is not a highlight reel.

1303
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:46,679
Speaker 2: And that's why the NBA season bores the average fan

1304
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 2: because oftentimes it's kind of a mech product that just

1305
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 2: simply is the criticism is valid. Okay. Now you can

1306
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 2: argue that an eighty two game season packs less punch.

1307
01:13:00,080 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 2: Then say the NFL and they're seventeen games slate. But

1308
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 2: that's comparing apples dorges. Don't don't, don't ever do that.

1309
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 2: That's silly. Okay. I would bet a finger. The NBA

1310
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 2: owners will never shorten the season, well, nor will they

1311
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 2: shorten to ten minute quarters. They're trying to manufacturing set

1312
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 2: and you don't do it by shortening it. It doesn't work.

1313
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 2: The storylines and narratives and draw fans. It's built over

1314
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 2: six months. It takes time to build a season story,

1315
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 2: so when the playoffs start they have meaning. So thumbs

1316
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 2: down on the stupid idea to, you know, shorten the

1317
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 2: season the eighty two game season, although fans list that

1318
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 2: as is one of their reasons why they're NBA haters.

1319
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 2: Now we're going to get more into the met The

1320
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 2: second reason is part of this conversation, was NBA stars.

1321
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 2: I see that near quotes, stars are not on the

1322
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 2: court often enough. That's an undeniable thing. NBA athletes are

1323
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:04,680
Speaker 2: just simply not on the court as much as they

1324
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 2: used to be, between minute limits, load management, and of

1325
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 2: course there are legitimate injuries. It's all too often to

1326
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 2: hear stories all fans buying tickets only to show up

1327
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 2: to the arena and miss out on seeing their favorite players.

1328
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:22,719
Speaker 2: And that's not to mention all the nationally televised games.

1329
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 2: I mean, you had Christmas Day games where stars were out. Now,

1330
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 2: I'm not going to call the NBA players soft. Well,

1331
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,240
Speaker 2: maybe compared to hockey players or rugby players, but they're

1332
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:42,679
Speaker 2: still not soft. All right. You've got huge behemoth men, tall,

1333
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:46,599
Speaker 2: freakish running on hard and floors ninety four feet, You've

1334
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 2: got a lot of soft tissue injuries. Athletics athletes are

1335
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 2: more dynamic now than they ever have been. They got

1336
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 2: a change direction of speed more, but they did that

1337
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 2: back in the day as well. The league has tried

1338
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 2: to solve this issue by mandating that's sixty five games

1339
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 2: played for end of season awards, as well as instituting

1340
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 2: fines for improper improper injury management might solve the problem,

1341
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 2: but when does that helped Joel Embiid or Kawhi Leonard

1342
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 2: or Zion Williamson, and they all struggle with actual injuries.

1343
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 2: There's no more showtime Lakers anymore. There's no surprise that

1344
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 2: a lot of the NBA haters have landed on the

1345
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 2: fact they don't really care for the pace and space era.

1346
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 2: All Right, last season and Boston won the championship, more

1347
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 2: than half of their shots for the entire season were

1348
01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:44,519
Speaker 2: from behind the yark. Okay, that's become sort of the

1349
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:48,759
Speaker 2: group think echo chamber narrative that people quote unquote missed

1350
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 2: the old NBA. I don't know how you solve that,

1351
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 2: all right. In the mid two thousand Z era, there

1352
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 2: were a lot more highlight reel type of stuff, and

1353
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 2: people think they want the Kobe style ISO basketball back,

1354
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 2: But those viewing habits two decades ago people somewhat complained

1355
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 2: about that as well. Look, whether it's Giannis or Joli

1356
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 2: Embiid or Nicola, they're all sort of individual in their

1357
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 2: own right. There are too many threes, but if you

1358
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 2: look closer, Jannis and Joel Embiid, they don't take a

1359
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:32,760
Speaker 2: lot of threes. Nicole Jokich's a basketball purest dream Shay Gilgess.

1360
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:35,759
Speaker 2: He plays like Penny Hardaway used to play. Luka Doncic,

1361
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 2: He's got his own style. Lebron still is popular, one

1362
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 2: of the greatest players ever, and he has multiple different styles.

1363
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 2: Not to mention Steph Curry. He still actually might be

1364
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 2: the most popular NBA player in the last ten years,

1365
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 2: and he's been at the forefront of the NBA three

1366
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 2: point revolution. But let's get to some other meat that

1367
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 2: I think is real meat. The best players and best

1368
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 2: teams are less captivating than in previous eras. Let's face it,

1369
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 2: I truly believe that one of the great things about

1370
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 2: sports is rivalry. You know, where's your bird and magic

1371
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,360
Speaker 2: where is it? And I know that maybe a hackneyed

1372
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:19,759
Speaker 2: old cliche, but it's apropos. Do you know that every

1373
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:23,760
Speaker 2: in the decade of the eighties, every single year, either

1374
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 2: Bird or Magic was in the finals. Okay, who are

1375
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 2: the likable, charismatic players with panache, who are athletic and

1376
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,320
Speaker 2: skillful and can help lead their team do a championship

1377
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,639
Speaker 2: and cause you to want to go pay to see them.

1378
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 2: I think the NBA yearns for a post Curry era

1379
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 2: that they can latch their you know, hitch their wagon

1380
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 2: to all right, they hoped it would be Ja Morant,

1381
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 2: They hoped it would be Zion Williamson. They hoped it

1382
01:17:56,560 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 2: would be Anthony Edwards, perhaps Victor web I don't think

1383
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 2: he's ready to play, ready to take over that torch

1384
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:08,599
Speaker 2: and carry that torch. And Wemby plays in a small city,

1385
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 2: and so does Anthony. One of the fortunate things the

1386
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,040
Speaker 2: NBA has had the passes their superstar is played in

1387
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 2: major markets. Right La is the number two market. New

1388
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 2: York is the number one market. Boston's right after, Golden

1389
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 2: State's right after. So when you add it all up,

1390
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 2: the haters are starting to line up again. Didn't stop

1391
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 2: the NBA from getting a seventy six billion dollar deal.

1392
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 2: That's billing with a B. But you consider the long

1393
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 2: season load management at times of boring style, no real rivalries,

1394
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:43,720
Speaker 2: no real box office straws that have that sort of

1395
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 2: Matt and I idel love that magic bird Kobe to

1396
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 2: a degree at Jabbar, and I don't want to leave

1397
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 2: anybody out right on down the line. These players had

1398
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 2: they don't exist anymore. So the NBA maybe has to

1399
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 2: do a better job of promoting or finding their new stars.

1400
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:03,679
Speaker 2: And they're trying to do that. All right, So we'll

1401
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 2: see what's what coming up. I want to circle back.

1402
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 2: I want to I want to dive in on a

1403
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 2: narrative I'm sick of hearing about, and that is is

1404
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:14,919
Speaker 2: the NFL rigged? No, But let's give you a historical

1405
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:16,600
Speaker 2: perspective when I come back. Keep it locks to the

1406
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:18,320
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Speaker 2: get your podcasts, and to see the show posted right

1423
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 2: after we get off the air. Well, obviously, there was

1424
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:24,599
Speaker 2: big news tonight, and we've fleshed out as much as

1425
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 2: we humanly can without repeating ourselves and starting to sound

1426
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 2: like we're stattering. But I promise you I've got you

1427
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:32,880
Speaker 2: my finger on the pulse. Should anything else emerge, there'll

1428
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 2: be more, I believe coming as the you know, in

1429
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 2: the coming days. And we expect Luca to make his

1430
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:46,240
Speaker 2: Lakers debut next Saturday, February eighth, one pm. The Lakers

1431
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 2: host the Indiana Pacers, but it is Sunday and Super

1432
01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 2: Bowl week is officially here. People are descending upon New

1433
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:59,759
Speaker 2: Orleans as we speak. The teams will both arrive today.

1434
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 2: And what has been the narrative this past week that's

1435
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 2: become so incredibly nauseating is the NFL rigged? Do they

1436
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:11,760
Speaker 2: favor the Chiefs? And I got to tell you what

1437
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 2: I hear these comments, with all due respect to make

1438
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 2: my teeth itch. Let me give you what I think

1439
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 2: is some perspective, okay, because the reality of it is,

1440
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 2: there have been other dynasties and when history repeats itself,

1441
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:29,720
Speaker 2: for it to repeat itself, there always has to be

1442
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:34,679
Speaker 2: a convergence of factors. They can involve leadership, decision making,

1443
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 2: consistency and execution, situational awareness, preparedness, confidence, and as Joe

1444
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 2: Montana would say, icy cold precision. I'm looking at you

1445
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills. You're zero to four in playoff games against

1446
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 2: the Chiefs in January. Meanwhile the Chiefs are four and

1447
01:21:55,560 --> 01:22:00,839
Speaker 2: oh but you want to fall back on maybe you Buffalo,

1448
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 2: but fans want to fall back on these what I

1449
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 2: believe a false narratives. Let's look at the Bills and

1450
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. I have a lot of respect

1451
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 2: for the franchise and Sean McDermott and the city of Buffalo.

1452
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 2: So I won't mention James Cook and the fact his

1453
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 2: non usage when it mattered most, even though he's having

1454
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:24,040
Speaker 2: a great game, or on the fourth down a quarterback

1455
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 2: sneak the whole damn world knew was coming. That's all

1456
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 2: you got. Why are you chasing points throughout the game?

1457
01:22:31,439 --> 01:22:35,240
Speaker 2: You missed two two pointers. The Chiefs made their only chance.

1458
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 2: Maybe if you kick those two extra points, the complexion

1459
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 2: of the game might have looked different, or for whatever reason,

1460
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 2: every time the Bills get to these high leverage moments

1461
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 2: in January, especially in Arrowhead, Sean McDermott just simply looks

1462
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:53,240
Speaker 2: very unsure of himself. Make no mistake, the Bills had

1463
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:56,960
Speaker 2: plenty of chances to win that game. So please miss

1464
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 2: me with this loser's lament about the ref and conspiracy theories.

1465
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:09,360
Speaker 2: But that said, let's take another historical perspective. How special

1466
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 2: is this Kansas City's Chiefs team that a lot of

1467
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:13,640
Speaker 2: people don't want to give a hell of a lot

1468
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 2: of credit to For some reason, they've been trying to

1469
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 2: diminish him now for the better part of six months. Well,

1470
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 2: first of all. The Chiefs are the fourth team to

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01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 2: reach three straight Super Bowls in the first to make

1472
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 2: the game after winning back to back Super Bowls. Follow me.

1473
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:34,240
Speaker 2: As hard as it is to win two titles or

1474
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 2: one title in any sport, a three peat is fairly

1475
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 2: well non existent. If you go back one hundred years

1476
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:47,600
Speaker 2: in the NBA, Major League Baseball, the NHL, certainly the

1477
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 2: NFL has never been done. In the WNBA. In all

1478
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 2: those years, there have been a grand total, over the

1479
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:58,599
Speaker 2: thousands of teams, enfranchises and opportunities, there have been fourteen

1480
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 2: instances team has won three straight titles. It hasn't been

1481
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 2: done in twenty three years the last time. The last

1482
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 2: team to do it were the aforementioned Los Angeles Lakers,

1483
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 2: who've been all over the news Saturday night. They did

1484
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 2: it from two thousand to two thousand and two. They

1485
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:17,160
Speaker 2: were the last team to complete quote a three peat.

1486
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 2: So you want to say the Chiefs are having success

1487
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:27,600
Speaker 2: because the refs love them so much. What if I

1488
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:30,000
Speaker 2: told you the Chiefs had gone eight straight games without

1489
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 2: a single turnover, the longest streak of the Super Bowl era. Well,

1490
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:35,640
Speaker 2: of course, Pat Mahomes conveniently lost the fauvel against the

1491
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 2: Bills last week. They couldn't take advantage. That's the same

1492
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 2: Patrick mahomeso winers this Super Bowl on a nine to

1493
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 2: zero run and an eight to one run against the spread.

1494
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 2: And then there's a d Reid, the winning as coach

1495
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:55,559
Speaker 2: in both Kansas City and Philadelphia and their franchise histories

1496
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 2: both franchises. Yes, and the Chiefs have won a remarkable

1497
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 2: twelve one score games this season and dating back to

1498
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:07,320
Speaker 2: last season, seventeen in a row. Oh and by the way,

1499
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 2: the Chiefs are also twenty three and two straight up

1500
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:12,920
Speaker 2: on their last twenty five overall games. One of those

1501
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,639
Speaker 2: losses was at Denver when they played with their JV

1502
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 2: team in the season's final game. The starters were glued

1503
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 2: to the bench. They didn't care. It's a pretty good

1504
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 2: body at work, wouldn't you say? But the group think

1505
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 2: echo chamber won't quit. Forget the fact you got a

1506
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame head coach, a Hall of Fame quarterback,

1507
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 2: a Hall of fame tight end championship DNA. You've heard

1508
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 2: me say it a thousand times. Casey Stegel once said

1509
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:36,760
Speaker 2: teams can't beat the Yankees. To get stuck staring at

1510
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:40,760
Speaker 2: the pen strikes same situation. I think the Chiefs have

1511
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 2: teams sighted, and yes, have they been the beneficiary of

1512
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 2: certain calls that looked like it might have been a

1513
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 2: little questionable. Well maybe only because they were good enough

1514
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:55,720
Speaker 2: to take advantage of it. Look, there's most saying in

1515
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:58,559
Speaker 2: life beat the right place at the right time. But

1516
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 2: to me, that's a sentence that doesn't end in a period.

1517
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 2: That's the sentence that showed in in a comma. Be

1518
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 2: in the right place at the right time, Comma and

1519
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 2: do something about it. But even though the sports news

1520
01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 2: cycle changes on a dime, look what happened tonight about

1521
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 2: nine to thirty pm Pacific time, twelve thirty Eastern. The

1522
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 2: whole world got turned on. It's here because of the

1523
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 2: l Luca Anthony Davis trade. Nobody saw coming. That new

1524
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:27,720
Speaker 2: cycle changed, But one story lingers. It's rare for a

1525
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:30,000
Speaker 2: story to linger more than twenty four hours, and you

1526
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:34,680
Speaker 2: can bet your butt the next week you're gonna hear

1527
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:38,800
Speaker 2: the NonStop anger over the Chief's history of controversial calls,

1528
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 2: recently fueled by what just happened last week and their

1529
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:46,280
Speaker 2: thirty two to twenty nine went over Buffalo. But I said,

1530
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:50,960
Speaker 2: historical perspective. So work with me here. Is this really new?

1531
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 2: Is this a phenomenon? It's really new? Wasn't it? A

1532
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:58,120
Speaker 2: similar story for the New England Patriots and their dynasty

1533
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 2: that actually Kansas City exceeded after New England and their

1534
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen AFC championship went over the Jacksonville Jaguars. They

1535
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 2: were screaming from the rafters about a very controversial pass

1536
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 2: interference penalty, among other flags. It got so serious that

1537
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:20,960
Speaker 2: day that Forbes Magazine, Forbes Magazine of all publications, decided

1538
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 2: they would weigh in with some damning cartoons. Yes, but historically, overall,

1539
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:30,559
Speaker 2: if we're being honest, this is actually how it goes

1540
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:35,880
Speaker 2: with Juggernauts. They play, they beat your team, you don't

1541
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:39,280
Speaker 2: like it. They win more games than anyone else, anybody else,

1542
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:42,559
Speaker 2: and they keep doing it, and all of a sudden,

1543
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:45,680
Speaker 2: people quote get tired of that, are jealous of it,

1544
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:49,679
Speaker 2: and then they start looking for signs that they must

1545
01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 2: have some advantage that we don't have, like you know,

1546
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:58,760
Speaker 2: officials favoring the dynasty, and then you start to look

1547
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 2: for them in every play, maybe the rest field drawn

1548
01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 2: to give some calls to this team. But oh, by

1549
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 2: the way neatly ignoring that giving favorable calls to veteran

1550
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 2: stars like in basketball or certainly in baseball, if you

1551
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:15,560
Speaker 2: didn't at the strike zone for Ken Griffey Jr. Was

1552
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 2: the same for Eddie Gazinski, You're wrong. Certain NBA players

1553
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:24,720
Speaker 2: get certain foul calls that others don't. So I'm not

1554
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 2: going to use the word preferential treatment. But what I

1555
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 2: will say is that certain stars, certain veterans, are the

1556
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 2: beneficiary of certain calls given their contributions to the league

1557
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:40,840
Speaker 2: over time. The refs are human, the umps are human.

1558
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 2: So today you can remove the name Tom Brady, which

1559
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:50,840
Speaker 2: is the last guy who was the subject in the Patriots,

1560
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:55,080
Speaker 2: the last entity as the target for this type of vitriol,

1561
01:28:55,200 --> 01:29:00,439
Speaker 2: and replace it now with Patrick Mahomes. One unnamed NFL

1562
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:06,040
Speaker 2: coach said quote, with regards to Patrick Mahomes, I think

1563
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 2: quote he's a great manipulator. As a matter of fact,

1564
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:12,639
Speaker 2: his coach went on to say, Mahomes offers a master

1565
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 2: class in leveraging rules designed to protect quarterbacks. That's true.

1566
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 2: Do I believe that's true? Yes? I do. Then why

1567
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:24,320
Speaker 2: don't you have your quarterback do it? Well, maybe he's

1568
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 2: not as good as Patrick Mahomes. Like deal, Steve Martin joke,

1569
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 2: you want to be a millionaire, first get a million dollars. Well,

1570
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 2: you don't have Patrick Mahomes, do you? Actually? You could

1571
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:40,639
Speaker 2: actually imply that a couple of major calls that could

1572
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 2: have gone to Buffalo had nothing to do with Patrick Mahomes. Okay.

1573
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:52,400
Speaker 2: In a poll, it was asked just this last Monday,

1574
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,439
Speaker 2: did Josh Allen gain the first down on that fourth

1575
01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 2: and one sneak? Eighty percent said yes, the ball touched

1576
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:03,040
Speaker 2: the line. Do I agree with that? Yes? Is it

1577
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 2: the reason Buffalo lost the game? No? But were the

1578
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 2: Chiefs the beneficiary of that call? Yes? How important were

1579
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:20,160
Speaker 2: the controversial calls from say, Xavier Worthies catch to Josh

1580
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:23,679
Speaker 2: Allen's sneak? Well, the poll actually went on to say

1581
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:29,240
Speaker 2: only forty five percent considered those calls quote game changing.

1582
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:32,160
Speaker 2: They were just pissed off and needed time to cool down.

1583
01:30:33,080 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 2: Fifty percent think a other factors in the game played

1584
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:39,200
Speaker 2: a larger role, some of the ones I mentioned earlier

1585
01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:43,599
Speaker 2: b the Bills have to share some blame from finding

1586
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:48,439
Speaker 2: themselves in these positions, or some of the respondents said no,

1587
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:51,559
Speaker 2: it was actually an evenly called game. Did you know

1588
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 2: that this season? By the way, the Philadelphia Eagles, the

1589
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 2: Chief's opponent this week, was called for the fourth most

1590
01:30:57,400 --> 01:31:02,800
Speaker 2: unnecessary roughness penalties in the league. I will bet you though,

1591
01:31:03,320 --> 01:31:05,840
Speaker 2: that when they kick off the balls in the air

1592
01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:10,759
Speaker 2: this coming Sunday, February ninth, three thirty Pacific, six thirty Eastern,

1593
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:13,720
Speaker 2: the rest are not going to let the game come

1594
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:16,439
Speaker 2: down to subjective calls like that. All right? And oh,

1595
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 2: by the way, there are some folks if you look

1596
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:23,280
Speaker 2: hard enough, you can find them who are griping that

1597
01:31:23,320 --> 01:31:26,080
Speaker 2: the Chiefs are checked at. The Eagles lost the matchup

1598
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:28,240
Speaker 2: to the Chiefs two years ago. I believe it was

1599
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:32,599
Speaker 2: thirty five thirty three because of a holding penalty. Let's

1600
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:37,760
Speaker 2: go back to Patrick Mahomes. Here's your unicorn. The truth

1601
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:40,920
Speaker 2: of the matter is, when you want to win, we

1602
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:43,160
Speaker 2: all come down to these high leverage moments where it's

1603
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:47,600
Speaker 2: hard to breathe and the heat is hot and you

1604
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:51,639
Speaker 2: need someone to step up. Patrick Mahomes simply shines brightest

1605
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:56,000
Speaker 2: when the stage is brightest period, when the situation the

1606
01:31:56,080 --> 01:32:02,040
Speaker 2: man's greatness. Patrick Mahomes defines greatness. He stands now on

1607
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:05,280
Speaker 2: the brink of NFL history. If he can make the

1608
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:09,200
Speaker 2: Chiefs the first team ever to win three straight Super Bowls.

1609
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:12,240
Speaker 2: And now that this does come to pass, berieve it.

1610
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:17,479
Speaker 2: If it doesn't, Mahomes has already etched his name among

1611
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:21,439
Speaker 2: the superstars that are lucky enough to even just get

1612
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:24,680
Speaker 2: to a Super Bowl. Let's just take a look at

1613
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 2: a couple of them. Okay, these are iconic guys who

1614
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 2: were dreaming soul crushers. If you play it against him,

1615
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:34,439
Speaker 2: he's the guy you'd most want on the field with

1616
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 2: the game on the line, like Patrick Mahome, paulms. These

1617
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:41,680
Speaker 2: are guys that got there often like Patrick Mahomes, and

1618
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 2: they won. I'm gonna start with Tom Brady. Ten super

1619
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 2: Bowl appearances, seven wins. This is what Mahomes is aiming for,

1620
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:54,240
Speaker 2: knowing full well he went on two against Brady in

1621
01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:57,680
Speaker 2: the playoffs. Now Brady's first super Bowl, I get it.

1622
01:32:57,720 --> 01:32:59,639
Speaker 2: He only threw fo one hundred and forty five yards.

1623
01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:02,599
Speaker 2: What a key game winning drive. But in the remaining

1624
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 2: Super Bowls, did you know Brady average better than three

1625
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:07,080
Speaker 2: hundred and three yards through the year every time he

1626
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:09,400
Speaker 2: took center stage. And what's the biggest game in all

1627
01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:13,320
Speaker 2: the sport, most likely six of Brady's Super Bowl wins

1628
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:18,400
Speaker 2: the result of game winning drives after being tied or

1629
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:20,639
Speaker 2: trailing in the fourth quarter. Do you want to blame

1630
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:23,960
Speaker 2: the refs blame him for all six of those? Sure,

1631
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 2: knock yourself out when the situation the man's greatness? Are

1632
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 2: you great? How about? Joe Montana went to four Super Bowls,

1633
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 2: won four Super Bowls four to oz through for two

1634
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:39,040
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty seven yards a game, through for eleven

1635
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:44,360
Speaker 2: touchdown passes, never through his single interception, sixty eight percent

1636
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:48,280
Speaker 2: completion rate, completed his passes at almost nine point four

1637
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:51,200
Speaker 2: yards per pass. By the way, just for fun, Joe

1638
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 2: Montana also ran for two touchdowns in the Super Bowl

1639
01:33:54,360 --> 01:33:57,400
Speaker 2: and had a cumulative passer rating of seven point eight.

1640
01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:03,320
Speaker 2: Were winning super bowls there was no social media. But

1641
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 2: look at what John Montana did. He had played in

1642
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:11,320
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl since nineteen ninety But those are twenty

1643
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:13,320
Speaker 2: twenty five numbers for a player who hadn't taken the

1644
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:15,800
Speaker 2: field in four decades. I do know a lot of

1645
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:18,160
Speaker 2: those games were blowouts, and he only needed one game

1646
01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:22,160
Speaker 2: winning drive, the legendary one in nineteen eighty eight against Cincinnati,

1647
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:25,840
Speaker 2: the Bengals with a minute thirty eight to Gold when

1648
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:29,400
Speaker 2: Joe Montana directed the team down the field with icy

1649
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:34,559
Speaker 2: cole precision. I believe that was Super Bowl twenty three.

1650
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:38,599
Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, that was the game where

1651
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:40,400
Speaker 2: Montana got in the huddle and they had to go

1652
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:43,479
Speaker 2: eighty some yards and he says that John Candy. Yeah,

1653
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:48,160
Speaker 2: when the situation demands greatness, he's great. He was way

1654
01:34:48,200 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 2: ahead of his time. Joe Montana, Pat Tom Brady, Now

1655
01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:57,360
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes, you want to blame the refs, knock yourself out. Finally,

1656
01:34:57,560 --> 01:35:00,840
Speaker 2: I want to I want to throw some some love

1657
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 2: to Josh Allen because people will line up to point

1658
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:06,599
Speaker 2: out that Josh Allen is now zero to four versus

1659
01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 2: Kansas City in the playoffs. What if I told you

1660
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:12,720
Speaker 2: in those four games, Josh Allen and the Bills averaged

1661
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:16,439
Speaker 2: twenty nine points a game. In those four games, Josh

1662
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:20,160
Speaker 2: Allen threw for fourteen hundred yards, eleven touchdowns and only

1663
01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:23,800
Speaker 2: one interception. But see, Josh Allen doesn't play defense, Maybe

1664
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:28,599
Speaker 2: he should. The Bills in those four losses to Kansas

1665
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:32,040
Speaker 2: City have given up thirty eight points, forty two points,

1666
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 2: twenty seven points, and thirty two points chronologically for an

1667
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:41,120
Speaker 2: average of allowing thirty four points per game. You want

1668
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:46,280
Speaker 2: Josh Allen to play defense? Hell, maybe he should? Coming

1669
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:49,479
Speaker 2: up more fun super Bowl stuff meant Okay, we are

1670
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:52,040
Speaker 2: now officially into Super Bowl Sunday or Super Bowl Week.

1671
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:55,439
Speaker 2: Teams are converging, people are converging in radio road, New Orleans.

1672
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:59,120
Speaker 2: It all starts up on Monday, and here you go.

1673
01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:00,920
Speaker 2: You better get ready to durned through a fire hose.

1674
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:03,800
Speaker 2: By the way, football fans, I'll be sure to tune

1675
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:08,080
Speaker 2: into Fox Sports Radio every Sunday morning beginning at ten

1676
01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:12,040
Speaker 2: am Eastern seven am Pacific for Countdown to Kickoff presented

1677
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:14,800
Speaker 2: by bet MGM, Brian No, Jeff Schwartz, and professional better

1678
01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:18,320
Speaker 2: Bill Krackenberger. They're gonna have you covered three hours before

1679
01:36:18,439 --> 01:36:22,000
Speaker 2: kickoff every Sunday morning. Listen to Contdown to Kickoff presented

1680
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:25,559
Speaker 2: by bet MGM right here on Fox Sports Radio and

1681
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:32,040
Speaker 2: the iHeart Radio app coming up. You know, the Super

1682
01:36:32,120 --> 01:36:35,639
Speaker 2: Bowl is basically a two week convention for the NFL

1683
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:38,599
Speaker 2: and it culminates in the little football game for all

1684
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:41,479
Speaker 2: the Marbles on the final Sunday of the season. Well,

1685
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:44,240
Speaker 2: what's great about the Super Bowl and what makes it

1686
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:48,720
Speaker 2: such an iconic part of the American cultural landscape. I'm

1687
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:50,200
Speaker 2: gonna tell you coming up, you already know it, but

1688
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna remind you. I'm Bernie Fradder, who comes you

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Speaker 2: Keep it locked. You're listening to the Bernie Frattle Show

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Speaker 2: We're back on the Bernie Frattle Show Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Come to your life from the Tarak dot com studios

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Speaker 2: here in a Las Vegas. Coming up in a bit,

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01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:27,599
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have some additional perspective on the Los Angeles

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01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:30,559
Speaker 2: Lakers and what their strategy might have been. I drew

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01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:34,880
Speaker 2: a parallel. I'm the opening monologue. I try to look

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01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:37,799
Speaker 2: for historical perspective. I try to look for context, subtext.

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01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 2: And it was fifty years ago. It'd be fifty years

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Speaker 2: in June that the Lakers traded for Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

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01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:49,920
Speaker 2: And if you look throughout those fifty years, only seven

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01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:53,040
Speaker 2: of those fifty years did the Lakers not have a

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01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:56,960
Speaker 2: roster without a headliner like a Kareem, a Magic, a Shaq,

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01:37:57,040 --> 01:38:01,599
Speaker 2: a Kobe or Lebron. And I have to feel that

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01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:04,880
Speaker 2: part of their motivation was doing just that at bringing

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01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:07,160
Speaker 2: in Luca as the successor of Lebron. The Lakers are

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01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:10,559
Speaker 2: a franchise of eras, which I've said many, many times.

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01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:15,919
Speaker 2: But back to what's going to be another huge story

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01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:21,280
Speaker 2: as the sun rises on Sunday as teams, as the

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01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:25,760
Speaker 2: teams descend upon New Orleans for Super Bowl fifty nine

1715
01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 2: and all the storylines that go with it. You know,

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01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:35,000
Speaker 2: the truth of the matter is the Super Bowl is

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01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:39,400
Speaker 2: basically a two week convention for the National Football League.

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01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:43,280
Speaker 2: It then culminates a little football game a week from today.

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01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:47,400
Speaker 2: We're about, let's see where one hundred and sixty, about

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01:38:47,439 --> 01:38:50,360
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy hours from kickoff if you're scoring

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01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:54,759
Speaker 2: a home for super Bowl fifty nine. But it's basically

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01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:56,680
Speaker 2: a two week convention, the Super Bowl, and then it

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01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:59,280
Speaker 2: culminates this little football game for all the marbles. It'll

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01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:02,920
Speaker 2: be the final Sunday of the season, and then you know,

1725
01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:05,800
Speaker 2: people will be marking their time for the draft and

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01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:08,679
Speaker 2: the OTAs and all that. But let's stay on point here.

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01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:11,080
Speaker 2: So you know what's really great about the Super Bowl.

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01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:15,479
Speaker 2: I think what makes it such an iconic part of

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01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:19,280
Speaker 2: the American culture landscape is that you don't need to

1730
01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:21,680
Speaker 2: be a football addict to even have any interest in

1731
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:25,559
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, because when it comes to the game,

1732
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:31,519
Speaker 2: there's something for everybody, whether it's the parties, the food,

1733
01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:36,040
Speaker 2: the commercials showing, the celebrities, the halftime show. Even the

1734
01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:38,800
Speaker 2: national anthem performers are big deal. Who can forget what

1735
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:42,360
Speaker 2: Whitney Houston did in nineteen ninety one right after the

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01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:46,000
Speaker 2: Gulf War started to this day one of the most

1737
01:39:46,160 --> 01:39:53,400
Speaker 2: iconic national anthem performances in history of any sport. All right,

1738
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:56,759
Speaker 2: but guess what else? People get a kick out of betting.

1739
01:39:57,880 --> 01:40:00,840
Speaker 2: And you can bet not just on the game and

1740
01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:05,320
Speaker 2: the outcome of the game, but prop bets. Okay, proposition

1741
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:09,200
Speaker 2: bets having to do with individual or team performance is

1742
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:11,240
Speaker 2: not related to the outcome of the game. And there'll

1743
01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:14,960
Speaker 2: be over one thousand this year. But in addition to those,

1744
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:17,360
Speaker 2: there is a bunch of what we call waistside wagers.

1745
01:40:18,439 --> 01:40:21,360
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna tell you right now, some of these

1746
01:40:21,400 --> 01:40:24,320
Speaker 2: goofy things you can bet on you can't do here

1747
01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:29,160
Speaker 2: in Vegas. Just a rule of thumb. Okay, in Las Vegas.

1748
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:33,080
Speaker 2: If you're going to bet on the game, or you're

1749
01:40:33,120 --> 01:40:36,080
Speaker 2: gonna bet any event, it's basically got to be something

1750
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:37,880
Speaker 2: that's decided on the field and shows up in a

1751
01:40:37,880 --> 01:40:41,200
Speaker 2: box score the next day. Because if it involves information

1752
01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:43,799
Speaker 2: that some can get their hands on where the outcome

1753
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:46,120
Speaker 2: might already be decided, well, the sportsbooks don't like that

1754
01:40:46,160 --> 01:40:50,200
Speaker 2: too much. So there are regulatory standards in North American

1755
01:40:50,240 --> 01:40:53,439
Speaker 2: sports books. But there are offshore books and people, and

1756
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:57,880
Speaker 2: they put up these crazy props primarily for entertainment purposes.

1757
01:40:57,920 --> 01:41:00,559
Speaker 2: But you'd be amazed how popular they are. I'm gonna

1758
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:02,519
Speaker 2: give you an example of a few of them here.

1759
01:41:04,439 --> 01:41:06,920
Speaker 2: And the truth of the matter is that, again, you

1760
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:10,479
Speaker 2: can't bet these in Vegas, but you can bet them

1761
01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:15,040
Speaker 2: if you look hard enough. Will a player or coach

1762
01:41:15,320 --> 01:41:19,960
Speaker 2: cry during the national anthem? Yes? Minus four thirty, which

1763
01:41:19,960 --> 01:41:22,680
Speaker 2: means you would wager if you wanted to win one

1764
01:41:22,760 --> 01:41:26,280
Speaker 2: hundred dollars, you'd wage your four hundred and thirty dollars.

1765
01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:28,400
Speaker 2: You don't think they will you wage you one hundred dollars.

1766
01:41:28,439 --> 01:41:32,200
Speaker 2: It'll bring back two hundred and eighty five. Now. National

1767
01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:34,919
Speaker 2: anthem prop bets are nothing new, but they usually revolve

1768
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:37,760
Speaker 2: around how long the performance will take or whether their

1769
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:40,000
Speaker 2: performer will forget a word or mess up the song.

1770
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:43,520
Speaker 2: But you can also bet on the length of the performances,

1771
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:44,800
Speaker 2: which this year I think I'll be done by a

1772
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:49,920
Speaker 2: guy named John Batiste. The over under is one hundred

1773
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:51,960
Speaker 2: and twenty point five seconds. It's just like a half

1774
01:41:51,960 --> 01:41:55,280
Speaker 2: a second over two minutes, and the spread is minus

1775
01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:57,840
Speaker 2: one twenty two, which means, if you want to if

1776
01:41:57,880 --> 01:42:01,759
Speaker 2: you think John Batist's performance will go over two minutes,

1777
01:42:03,080 --> 01:42:06,080
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty two dollars wins one hundred. Or

1778
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:07,680
Speaker 2: if you think it's gonna be under one hundred and

1779
01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:10,360
Speaker 2: twenty point five seconds, one hundred dollars brings you back

1780
01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:13,360
Speaker 2: a hundred. Believe it or not. Here's how goofy this gets.

1781
01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:16,679
Speaker 2: Will he use a piano to perform? Yes? His minus

1782
01:42:16,720 --> 01:42:18,840
Speaker 2: six fifty, so this guy must be a piano player.

1783
01:42:19,400 --> 01:42:21,120
Speaker 2: He bet six hundred and fifty to one one hundred,

1784
01:42:21,560 --> 01:42:24,519
Speaker 2: one one hundred to win four to twenty. Now, just

1785
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:27,920
Speaker 2: so you know, if you find these over if you

1786
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:30,240
Speaker 2: find these prop bets, and you can not that hard,

1787
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:33,040
Speaker 2: just not here in Vegas. He over has hit six

1788
01:42:33,120 --> 01:42:38,040
Speaker 2: of the past ten years, and there's actually been one performer.

1789
01:42:38,439 --> 01:42:42,360
Speaker 2: This happened, actually happened in Super Bowl fifty six, Kelly Clarkson.

1790
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:45,559
Speaker 2: She hit the number right on the mark. It was

1791
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:47,920
Speaker 2: a tie in terms of whether or not it would

1792
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:52,320
Speaker 2: go over or under the length. But here's where it

1793
01:42:52,360 --> 01:42:55,200
Speaker 2: also gets goofy okay again, Like I said, will the

1794
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:57,320
Speaker 2: player or coach cried during the national anthe and you

1795
01:42:57,360 --> 01:42:59,920
Speaker 2: can also bet on whether or not Batisse perform and

1796
01:43:00,040 --> 01:43:02,599
Speaker 2: so of the moment is so moving that the player

1797
01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:07,040
Speaker 2: or coach is moved to tears. Now two years ago,

1798
01:43:07,479 --> 01:43:11,640
Speaker 2: don't don't poop poo this, okay. Nick Siriani in his

1799
01:43:11,680 --> 01:43:14,040
Speaker 2: first appearance in the Super Bowl stood on the sidelines

1800
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:20,920
Speaker 2: and he shed a tear. And perhaps his prior experience

1801
01:43:21,160 --> 01:43:24,479
Speaker 2: and focus on unfinished business, maybe he won't shed a

1802
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:26,960
Speaker 2: tear this time. But will somebody, well you can bet

1803
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:29,559
Speaker 2: that they will, just not here in Vegas. Here's another

1804
01:43:29,640 --> 01:43:35,479
Speaker 2: goofy one. Okay. Well, Travis Kelsey proposed to Taylor Swift.

1805
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:39,320
Speaker 2: Now this is pretty heavily weighted to the null. You

1806
01:43:39,320 --> 01:43:42,519
Speaker 2: have to bet nine hundred and fifty dollars to one hundred. Yes,

1807
01:43:42,640 --> 01:43:44,559
Speaker 2: you win one. You bet one hundred dollars, you win

1808
01:43:44,680 --> 01:43:48,360
Speaker 2: five hundred, and there'll be all kinds of Taylor Swift

1809
01:43:48,439 --> 01:43:51,080
Speaker 2: prop bets whether or not she's shown during the national anthem,

1810
01:43:51,640 --> 01:43:54,200
Speaker 2: or how many times she's shown during the anthem more

1811
01:43:54,240 --> 01:43:56,080
Speaker 2: than one and a half, less than one and a half, YadA,

1812
01:43:56,160 --> 01:43:58,360
Speaker 2: YadA yah. You can also bet on whether or not

1813
01:43:58,640 --> 01:44:02,639
Speaker 2: Travis Kelsey and that you Thiefs will win the Super

1814
01:44:02,640 --> 01:44:05,120
Speaker 2: Bowl in the same year that Swift wins the Grammy

1815
01:44:05,160 --> 01:44:08,000
Speaker 2: Award for Album of the Year. That's plus nine hundred.

1816
01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:08,559
Speaker 4: Now.

1817
01:44:08,600 --> 01:44:11,960
Speaker 2: The most notable bet from a pop culture standpoint is

1818
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:14,679
Speaker 2: whether or not Kelsey proposes to her after the game.

1819
01:44:14,760 --> 01:44:18,040
Speaker 2: This one likely relies on the fact that the Chiefs

1820
01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:19,800
Speaker 2: probably would need to win to have that happen. It

1821
01:44:19,800 --> 01:44:22,840
Speaker 2: would be a little hard to imagine the Chiefs lose

1822
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:25,719
Speaker 2: and then Kelsey does the deal and Eagles Vams swarm

1823
01:44:25,720 --> 01:44:28,439
Speaker 2: in the field. But see, people love tibet this kind

1824
01:44:28,439 --> 01:44:31,960
Speaker 2: of stuff. Even the halftime show, which will be performed

1825
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:36,439
Speaker 2: by Kendrick Lamar. All right, you can bet whether or

1826
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:41,120
Speaker 2: not Kendrick Lamar brings out a guest to perform with

1827
01:44:41,200 --> 01:44:44,360
Speaker 2: him for at least one song, and there's odds on

1828
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:47,639
Speaker 2: every one of them. Future plus one twenty five Metro

1829
01:44:47,680 --> 01:44:50,160
Speaker 2: Boomin plus one twenty five, Lil Wayne plus one sixty

1830
01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:53,160
Speaker 2: four Baby Game plus one seventy. Now Lil Wayne seems

1831
01:44:53,240 --> 01:44:56,439
Speaker 2: like he might be a lot for a guest appearance

1832
01:44:56,479 --> 01:44:59,720
Speaker 2: prediction because he's from New Orleans and some people were

1833
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:02,800
Speaker 2: act kind of shocked he wasn't chosen to perform in

1834
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:04,920
Speaker 2: his own hometown, and during an appearance on the Skip

1835
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:08,040
Speaker 2: Bayless Show, Little Wayne mentioned that he had spoken to

1836
01:45:08,120 --> 01:45:11,400
Speaker 2: Kenna Lamar and after he was chosen the headline I

1837
01:45:11,439 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 2: wished him luck, but asked if he would be making

1838
01:45:13,200 --> 01:45:15,960
Speaker 2: against appearance. He said he would not even be in

1839
01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:19,360
Speaker 2: the same country for the game, So careful if you

1840
01:45:19,400 --> 01:45:22,760
Speaker 2: bet that one. Remember what happened the last time there

1841
01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:26,000
Speaker 2: was a Super Bowl at the Caesar Supernome between the

1842
01:45:26,040 --> 01:45:30,439
Speaker 2: Harbaugh brothers. The game was interrupted by a power power

1843
01:45:30,479 --> 01:45:33,559
Speaker 2: outage that lasts for thirty four minutes. Now, there are

1844
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:38,320
Speaker 2: no odds currently listed for this year's contest. Last year

1845
01:45:38,360 --> 01:45:43,120
Speaker 2: here at Allegiance Stadium one hundred dollars if there'd have

1846
01:45:43,120 --> 01:45:45,559
Speaker 2: been a power outage would have brought you back sixteen

1847
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:49,720
Speaker 2: hundred dollars. But if you said no, you don't think

1848
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:54,240
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a power outage, you'd have to bet

1849
01:45:54,280 --> 01:45:57,400
Speaker 2: fifteen thousand dollars to one hundred dollars if you did that.

1850
01:45:58,040 --> 01:46:01,400
Speaker 2: There was no power outage here at Allegiance State. Now

1851
01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:06,920
Speaker 2: there's some other interesting props, and these things almost never

1852
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:10,680
Speaker 2: happen in a Super Bowl, but these are on the field. Now,

1853
01:46:10,680 --> 01:46:12,679
Speaker 2: these are things you might be able to bet in Vegas.

1854
01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:16,640
Speaker 2: All the sportsbooks are putting out their pumpets now, and

1855
01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:20,680
Speaker 2: some will have these. Will a quarterback, either quarterback or

1856
01:46:20,720 --> 01:46:24,000
Speaker 2: anybody at quarterback, whether it be Jalen Hurts or Patrick

1857
01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:29,240
Speaker 2: Mahomes your quarter reception, it's unlikely that means you have

1858
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:31,639
Speaker 2: to bet six thousand, six hundred dollars. Do one hundred

1859
01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:34,880
Speaker 2: someone will do it, or one hundred dollars will bring

1860
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:38,240
Speaker 2: you back sixteen hundred someone will do that. Will any

1861
01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:41,760
Speaker 2: non quarterback throw a touchdown? Now? I covered Super Bowl

1862
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:46,280
Speaker 2: forty Detroit two thousand and six when Pittsburgh played Seattle

1863
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:49,760
Speaker 2: and Antoine randall El took a pitch out for Ben

1864
01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:53,920
Speaker 2: Roethlisberger and threw a touchdown pass. If any kind of

1865
01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:57,800
Speaker 2: gimmick trick play like that happens this year, well, one

1866
01:46:57,840 --> 01:46:59,920
Speaker 2: hundred dollars will bring you back fourteen hundred. But no,

1867
01:47:00,760 --> 01:47:04,679
Speaker 2: minus four thousand. You have bet four hundred, which makes

1868
01:47:04,720 --> 01:47:08,000
Speaker 2: sense to me. If I'm the Chiefs and I'm throwing

1869
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:11,400
Speaker 2: a pass, I want Patrick Mahomes throwing it. You get it.

1870
01:47:11,800 --> 01:47:13,760
Speaker 2: I mean, you saw what happened when Ben Johnson the

1871
01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:17,280
Speaker 2: Lions got cute against Washington. When Jamison Williams threw that pass.

1872
01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:20,360
Speaker 2: It was very ill advised. Here's another one that's a beauty.

1873
01:47:20,439 --> 01:47:26,200
Speaker 2: Will any offensive lineman score a touchdown? It's unlikely, but

1874
01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:29,400
Speaker 2: if you feel in saucy, one hundred dollars brings you

1875
01:47:29,439 --> 01:47:34,160
Speaker 2: back twenty eight hundred. Meanwhile, this is ridiculous. The no,

1876
01:47:35,400 --> 01:47:38,120
Speaker 2: you gotta bet forty to win one hundred dollars. I'm

1877
01:47:38,160 --> 01:47:40,559
Speaker 2: not making this up. I'm not sure if a sports

1878
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:44,320
Speaker 2: book here has got that. But look, there's a possibility

1879
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:47,280
Speaker 2: there could be a play that goes beyond the normal

1880
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:51,559
Speaker 2: job description quarterback catching a pass, an offensive lineman scoring

1881
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:54,040
Speaker 2: a touchdown, a trick play involving a non quarterback throwing

1882
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:58,760
Speaker 2: a touchdown pass. Anything is possible. I suppose it is

1883
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:02,040
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl. The two week convention will be over.

1884
01:48:02,120 --> 01:48:04,200
Speaker 2: People look forward to the game. What makes it great

1885
01:48:04,920 --> 01:48:08,000
Speaker 2: not just the food, the commercials, the celebrities, the national anthem,

1886
01:48:08,040 --> 01:48:11,559
Speaker 2: the halftime show. There's betting and plenty of it, and

1887
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:14,800
Speaker 2: some of it is actually a little bit goofy, as

1888
01:48:14,800 --> 01:48:19,559
Speaker 2: you can see. By the way. A little later, I'll

1889
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:25,160
Speaker 2: get into some interesting fun with numbers. This is the

1890
01:48:25,439 --> 01:48:28,320
Speaker 2: fifth appearance. Five is a magic number the Chiefs have

1891
01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:31,639
Speaker 2: made in the Super Bowl since twenty twenty. How about

1892
01:48:31,640 --> 01:48:35,640
Speaker 2: New Orleans? The number is eleven. It's the number of

1893
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:38,559
Speaker 2: times the New Orleans Saints. Check that out. The New

1894
01:48:38,680 --> 01:48:41,240
Speaker 2: Orleans City of New Orleans has hosted the Super Bowl.

1895
01:48:41,439 --> 01:48:43,679
Speaker 2: The game has been played at the Superdome eight times,

1896
01:48:43,920 --> 01:48:47,759
Speaker 2: and believe it or not, at Two Lane Stadium three times.

1897
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Speaker 2: But I digress. Coming up, I got some additional thoughts

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Speaker 2: on the shocking trade that sent Luka Doncic to the Lakers.

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Speaker 2: Four Anthony Davis, and oh, by the way, again, shortly

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Speaker 2: after the show, our podcast will be going up. If

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Speaker 2: see the show going up right after we get off

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Speaker 2: the air, coming up Luca Anthony Davis. So the additional

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Speaker 2: thoughts that just popped into my head. I'm Bernie Friddle.

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Speaker 2: We're comedy line from Las Vegas, Fox Sports Radio diirect

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Speaker 2: dot com studios. Keep it locked or listening to the

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Speaker 2: Bernie Fridle Show on Fox Sports Radio. How We're back

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Speaker 2: on the Bernie Friddle Show, Fox Sports Radio Comedy Live

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Speaker 2: from the tirect dot com studios here and Las Vegas.

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Speaker 2: The huge news that hit around nine to thirty Pacific

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01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:48,160
Speaker 2: time twelve thirty Eastern times we head into Sunday, of course,

1915
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Speaker 2: was Luka Doncic for Anthony Davis. And as you've heard

1916
01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:56,280
Speaker 2: me say, the Lakers are a There are franchise of

1917
01:49:56,400 --> 01:50:00,479
Speaker 2: errors going back to will Baylor West all the way

1918
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Speaker 2: through Magic Kareem, Kobe Shack, now Lebron and I have

1919
01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:09,840
Speaker 2: been up close and personal to this. I was an

1920
01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:13,280
Speaker 2: intern at the Forum for three years and was right

1921
01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:17,240
Speaker 2: there basically courtside for all the Magic's games his rookie

1922
01:50:17,320 --> 01:50:23,680
Speaker 2: year and the incredibly beat Philadelphia in the in the

1923
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:27,840
Speaker 2: NBA Finals in May of nineteen eighty, Magic started at center,

1924
01:50:27,880 --> 01:50:30,000
Speaker 2: played all three positions. He's twenty years old when he

1925
01:50:30,040 --> 01:50:32,439
Speaker 2: should have been a junior at Michigan State. He's in

1926
01:50:32,479 --> 01:50:35,320
Speaker 2: the NBA winning championships. I'll never forget the star power

1927
01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:38,720
Speaker 2: he brought to the Lakers. I will never forget that

1928
01:50:40,040 --> 01:50:46,160
Speaker 2: he resurrected Kareem Abdul Jabbar's career completely. The Lakers had

1929
01:50:46,160 --> 01:50:49,880
Speaker 2: acquired Jabbar in seventy five, but by the time nineteen

1930
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:52,920
Speaker 2: eighty ruled around nineteen seventy nine rolled around, Jabbar had

1931
01:50:52,920 --> 01:50:55,040
Speaker 2: become a punchline. He was a punchline in the Airplane

1932
01:50:55,080 --> 01:50:59,360
Speaker 2: movie for crying out about he becomes surly. He'd become,

1933
01:51:00,640 --> 01:51:04,439
Speaker 2: you know, uncommunicative, and he was, you know, Kareem's an

1934
01:51:04,439 --> 01:51:07,920
Speaker 2: interesting guy, but he's his own guy. Even after the

1935
01:51:08,120 --> 01:51:11,879
Speaker 2: very first game, when the Lakers beat the San Diego

1936
01:51:11,920 --> 01:51:15,960
Speaker 2: Clippers on a last second shot and Magic Johnson ran

1937
01:51:16,120 --> 01:51:19,320
Speaker 2: and jumped into the arms of Kareem Abdul Jabbar with

1938
01:51:19,360 --> 01:51:23,320
Speaker 2: a big smile on his face, and everybody said, you

1939
01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:29,400
Speaker 2: know what, something feels really different. After the game, a

1940
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:33,840
Speaker 2: reporter asked Jabbar how'd you feel about that tonight? You know,

1941
01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:35,720
Speaker 2: I don't think I can take eighty one more of these.

1942
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:38,280
Speaker 2: He was set up with a straight face, but Magic

1943
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:40,160
Speaker 2: got it out of him. Magic learned from his parents

1944
01:51:40,200 --> 01:51:43,720
Speaker 2: at an early age the value of hard work and

1945
01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:45,680
Speaker 2: doing it with a smile on your face. Jabar never

1946
01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:48,400
Speaker 2: had a smile on his face. But if you think

1947
01:51:48,439 --> 01:51:52,360
Speaker 2: about the incredibly important role that Jabbar played in Lakers

1948
01:51:52,439 --> 01:51:57,760
Speaker 2: history with Magic and Worthy showtime get him to the

1949
01:51:57,800 --> 01:52:01,160
Speaker 2: finals nine out of twelve years before Magic retired in

1950
01:52:01,240 --> 01:52:07,000
Speaker 2: ninety one, winning five, creating the great rivalries with the

1951
01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:11,160
Speaker 2: Celtics and then later the Pistons. In those fifty years

1952
01:52:11,160 --> 01:52:16,719
Speaker 2: since Kream Abdul Jabbar was acquired by the Lakers, only

1953
01:52:16,840 --> 01:52:21,080
Speaker 2: in seven years of those fifty have the Lakers had

1954
01:52:21,640 --> 01:52:28,160
Speaker 2: not had that marquee star headliner, you know, like Lebron,

1955
01:52:28,520 --> 01:52:32,200
Speaker 2: like Magic, like Kareem, like Shaquille O'Neal, like Kobe Bryant.

1956
01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:35,960
Speaker 2: And so what's interesting is is it starts to settle.

1957
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:42,160
Speaker 2: And in addition to assuming Lucas stays healthy, Okay, because

1958
01:52:42,200 --> 01:52:44,840
Speaker 2: I know that the Dallas Mavericks are on record is

1959
01:52:44,840 --> 01:52:48,200
Speaker 2: saying they have serious concerns about Donchik and his conditioning.

1960
01:52:48,200 --> 01:52:50,960
Speaker 2: But assuming he says healthy, the Lakers are getting a

1961
01:52:51,000 --> 01:52:55,519
Speaker 2: twenty five year old star that they ca and build

1962
01:52:55,560 --> 01:52:59,160
Speaker 2: around along the same lines that they did with the

1963
01:52:59,200 --> 01:53:03,559
Speaker 2: Magic and check and Kobe's et cetera, et cetera. And

1964
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:07,200
Speaker 2: it's canny how the Lakers managed to find a way

1965
01:53:07,240 --> 01:53:10,160
Speaker 2: to get this done. They've done it for fifty years.

1966
01:53:11,400 --> 01:53:15,320
Speaker 2: Sometimes you draft him, you draft him like Magic Johnson,

1967
01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:18,680
Speaker 2: and I will tell you a story. God rest his soul.

1968
01:53:18,760 --> 01:53:21,559
Speaker 2: Chick her And, the legendary play by play announcer of

1969
01:53:21,560 --> 01:53:26,120
Speaker 2: the Lakers, was livid when the Lakers drafted Magic. Johnson

1970
01:53:26,120 --> 01:53:30,519
Speaker 2: didn't like him. He wanted Sidney Moncrief. He thought at best,

1971
01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:34,120
Speaker 2: Magic lumbered gracefully. I remember when Magic came into the league.

1972
01:53:34,120 --> 01:53:37,719
Speaker 2: Even though he just led Michigan State to a national

1973
01:53:37,800 --> 01:53:40,080
Speaker 2: championship in that famous game when they beat Larry Byrd

1974
01:53:40,120 --> 01:53:43,000
Speaker 2: Indiana State in March in nineteen seventy nine, he wasn't

1975
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:45,000
Speaker 2: shooting the three. Then he had invented the baby hook.

1976
01:53:45,080 --> 01:53:47,320
Speaker 2: Then there was a lot of things Magic didn't do,

1977
01:53:48,600 --> 01:53:51,479
Speaker 2: but the Lakers identified him. Jerry West stuck to his guns,

1978
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:53,960
Speaker 2: and of course, very quickly early on the end of

1979
01:53:53,960 --> 01:53:56,000
Speaker 2: the season, chick her and changed his mind. Of course

1980
01:53:56,040 --> 01:54:00,479
Speaker 2: you did. So It's uncanny how the Lakers come upon

1981
01:54:00,520 --> 01:54:04,680
Speaker 2: these guys. They traded for Jabbar and seventy five for

1982
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:09,479
Speaker 2: boatload of guys and draft picks. They draft him like

1983
01:54:09,960 --> 01:54:12,680
Speaker 2: Magic Johnson. Jerry Buss wasted no time in saying, this

1984
01:54:12,720 --> 01:54:15,080
Speaker 2: is showtime. People who want to come see a show

1985
01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:19,760
Speaker 2: Magic Johnson, and my god, did he deliver. And then

1986
01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:23,000
Speaker 2: you get into the mid nineties, you find a young

1987
01:54:23,120 --> 01:54:25,919
Speaker 2: seventeen year old, eighteen year old talent like Kobe Bryant,

1988
01:54:27,640 --> 01:54:31,000
Speaker 2: and somehow the Jerry West once again identified that and

1989
01:54:31,080 --> 01:54:33,080
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he he morphs into a full

1990
01:54:33,120 --> 01:54:38,120
Speaker 2: grown man. The franchise was moribund, ill equipped to handle everything,

1991
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:44,760
Speaker 2: and it's another future superstar comes along, and you know,

1992
01:54:45,200 --> 01:54:47,720
Speaker 2: how did they get a seventeen eighteen year old Kobe

1993
01:54:47,720 --> 01:54:52,320
Speaker 2: Bryant for Vallati Devac and you know, and a collection

1994
01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:57,320
Speaker 2: of other players that didn't make a major impact. And

1995
01:54:57,360 --> 01:54:59,960
Speaker 2: it should be noted when the Lakers acquired Kream Abduli Jabar,

1996
01:55:00,680 --> 01:55:03,839
Speaker 2: the most notable player the Lakers gave up was Elmore Smith,

1997
01:55:04,960 --> 01:55:07,960
Speaker 2: although I will say they had just drafted Dave, my friend,

1998
01:55:08,040 --> 01:55:11,080
Speaker 2: Dave Myers third overall from Milwaukee Bucks. He was a

1999
01:55:11,160 --> 01:55:15,800
Speaker 2: key part of that trade. The Lakers acquired Pau Gasol

2000
01:55:16,520 --> 01:55:20,240
Speaker 2: to help along a Kobe Bryant who had become a

2001
01:55:20,360 --> 01:55:24,480
Speaker 2: little concern and was talking about being traded. Kwame Brown

2002
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:30,879
Speaker 2: was a centerpiece. So what made the trade Friday Saturday

2003
01:55:30,960 --> 01:55:36,800
Speaker 2: night so unusual and exciting and unexpected was that you're

2004
01:55:36,840 --> 01:55:40,400
Speaker 2: seeing two superstars traded for each other. You don't just

2005
01:55:40,440 --> 01:55:44,520
Speaker 2: simply see a superstar traded front of the superstar every day.

2006
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:46,680
Speaker 2: You never see it. You see superstars traded, but not

2007
01:55:46,760 --> 01:55:49,760
Speaker 2: for each other in the middle of the night, in

2008
01:55:49,800 --> 01:55:53,920
Speaker 2: the middle of the season, in this unexpected fashion, right

2009
01:55:53,920 --> 01:55:56,720
Speaker 2: before the trade deadline. But back to my earlier point,

2010
01:55:57,200 --> 01:56:00,680
Speaker 2: the Lakers might now have found their Mark Heat talent

2011
01:56:01,200 --> 01:56:04,560
Speaker 2: to succeed Lebron no matter how much longer he plays,

2012
01:56:04,960 --> 01:56:08,720
Speaker 2: as long as Luca stays healthy for the next ten years,

2013
01:56:09,200 --> 01:56:11,560
Speaker 2: this is where he comes in. In his first five

2014
01:56:11,640 --> 01:56:13,600
Speaker 2: years in the league, the lowest he's finished in MVP

2015
01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:16,960
Speaker 2: poding is eighth. He was third last year. Even still,

2016
01:56:17,600 --> 01:56:21,080
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, the MAVs didn't feel confident in Donsic's future,

2017
01:56:21,840 --> 01:56:24,960
Speaker 2: and we know that he was eligible while with Dallas

2018
01:56:25,000 --> 01:56:27,520
Speaker 2: for a five year contract extension worth more than three

2019
01:56:27,560 --> 01:56:31,080
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million. Now he's no longer eligible for

2020
01:56:31,160 --> 01:56:36,800
Speaker 2: that because he has been traded, so he can you know,

2021
01:56:36,880 --> 01:56:41,040
Speaker 2: Lakers will have him for what forty eight million next year,

2022
01:56:41,080 --> 01:56:44,880
Speaker 2: forty five million the following year, and we'll see where

2023
01:56:44,920 --> 01:56:46,920
Speaker 2: they go. And as Mark Medina pointed out, I don't

2024
01:56:46,920 --> 01:56:50,200
Speaker 2: think they got him just to rent him, right. I

2025
01:56:50,200 --> 01:56:51,680
Speaker 2: think they got him they're going to keep him for

2026
01:56:51,720 --> 01:56:54,680
Speaker 2: a while. And I realized they're talking about his conditioning

2027
01:56:54,680 --> 01:56:59,200
Speaker 2: as a constant concern despite the fact his plays been stellar.

2028
01:56:59,320 --> 01:57:01,840
Speaker 2: He was a chieved more moivator in Dallas. The truth

2029
01:57:01,880 --> 01:57:04,880
Speaker 2: of the matter is he has only played more than

2030
01:57:04,880 --> 01:57:08,360
Speaker 2: seventy games, and he's got a caffe injury, and he'll

2031
01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:10,840
Speaker 2: be ineligible for postseason awards this year because he won't

2032
01:57:10,840 --> 01:57:14,760
Speaker 2: meet the sixty five game threshold. But if the Lakers

2033
01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:17,560
Speaker 2: get him under their wing and fix him with his conditioning,

2034
01:57:17,560 --> 01:57:20,320
Speaker 2: it's not like he's Zion, it's not like he's Joli Embiid.

2035
01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:24,040
Speaker 2: And it's one of those situations. If you were to

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01:57:24,080 --> 01:57:26,280
Speaker 2: make a list of players right now in the national

2037
01:57:26,320 --> 01:57:31,160
Speaker 2: Basketball Association that you could wake any GM up in

2038
01:57:31,200 --> 01:57:33,640
Speaker 2: the middle of the night and say you can get

2039
01:57:33,680 --> 01:57:38,280
Speaker 2: this guy tomorrow. He's on the market. Well, obviously Victor

2040
01:57:38,280 --> 01:57:41,400
Speaker 2: webbin Yama would be on the list, Nicole Joki could

2041
01:57:41,400 --> 01:57:44,480
Speaker 2: be on the list. Shay Gilgess is on that list.

2042
01:57:44,920 --> 01:57:48,000
Speaker 2: Giannis is on that list. But guess who else is

2043
01:57:48,040 --> 01:57:52,320
Speaker 2: on that list? Luka Doncic And now the Lakers got him,

2044
01:57:53,640 --> 01:57:55,560
Speaker 2: and I think Dallas on their own right, maybe they

2045
01:57:55,560 --> 01:57:59,360
Speaker 2: feel a little relieved they're avoiding the potential drama by

2046
01:57:59,360 --> 01:58:01,240
Speaker 2: doing this in the mid the night in voting, having

2047
01:58:01,280 --> 01:58:05,080
Speaker 2: to pay a max contract. And Anthony Davis is a pro,

2048
01:58:05,160 --> 01:58:07,160
Speaker 2: he'll be okay going to Dallas. He'll team up with

2049
01:58:07,240 --> 01:58:10,640
Speaker 2: Kyrie Irving and I think he'll provide the defense they

2050
01:58:10,680 --> 01:58:13,520
Speaker 2: say they want. But what's the story here? It looks

2051
01:58:13,560 --> 01:58:16,640
Speaker 2: like the Lakers, as they've done for fifty years, our

2052
01:58:16,760 --> 01:58:20,040
Speaker 2: found a new marquee player that's gonna sell tickets and

2053
01:58:20,160 --> 01:58:24,160
Speaker 2: maybe bring a national champ or bringing an NBA championship,

2054
01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:27,760
Speaker 2: and of course, of course be the successor to Lebron.

2055
01:58:28,000 --> 01:58:29,920
Speaker 2: Coming up, we take you to Columbus, Ohio with the

2056
01:58:29,920 --> 01:58:32,480
Speaker 2: Ohio State Insider. We'll talk about Ryan Day. Keep it

2057
01:58:32,520 --> 01:58:36,000
Speaker 2: locked to Bernie Frales Show, Fox Sports Radio.

2058
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2059
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Speaker 2: gonna switch gears. We're gonna take you out to Columbus,

2067
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Speaker 2: Ohio as a gentleman. I was gonna have on earlier

2068
01:59:08,720 --> 01:59:11,400
Speaker 2: in the year, but we couldn't really do it until

2069
01:59:11,440 --> 01:59:15,320
Speaker 2: the final Hollywood Scripts story had been written, of course,

2070
01:59:15,360 --> 01:59:20,160
Speaker 2: talking about Ryan Day and the Ohio State Buckeyes. What

2071
01:59:20,520 --> 01:59:24,919
Speaker 2: a roller coaster ride. Say hello to Ohio State Insider

2072
01:59:25,000 --> 01:59:28,440
Speaker 2: coming to us from Columbus, Ohio, Don gessig Don, Thanks

2073
01:59:28,480 --> 01:59:31,760
Speaker 2: for getting up early this morning. Appreciate you man, Thanks

2074
01:59:31,760 --> 01:59:35,960
Speaker 2: for having me on. Bertie So we talked many times

2075
01:59:36,040 --> 01:59:40,040
Speaker 2: before during throughout the season, and given the roller coaster

2076
01:59:40,200 --> 01:59:45,720
Speaker 2: ride we decided let's see what finally happens, and then

2077
01:59:45,760 --> 01:59:49,560
Speaker 2: we can unpack this because I still hear rumors. So

2078
01:59:49,680 --> 01:59:52,880
Speaker 2: let's start with this. I'm gonna ask you a question

2079
01:59:52,960 --> 01:59:56,360
Speaker 2: that may sound goofy to our audience, But if you

2080
01:59:56,440 --> 01:59:58,640
Speaker 2: live in Columbus or you've been in ann Arbor and

2081
01:59:58,680 --> 02:00:01,640
Speaker 2: I covered ten of these rivals, you'll get the question

2082
02:00:01,760 --> 02:00:06,000
Speaker 2: right away. All right, Let's say you go back to

2083
02:00:06,400 --> 02:00:09,840
Speaker 2: August before the season starts, and Ohio State fans can

2084
02:00:09,880 --> 02:00:13,760
Speaker 2: pick one or the other. You can beat Michigan or

2085
02:00:13,760 --> 02:00:17,080
Speaker 2: you can win a national championship, but you can't have

2086
02:00:17,240 --> 02:00:21,600
Speaker 2: both with what would the Ohio State fans have picked

2087
02:00:22,120 --> 02:00:23,480
Speaker 2: in August?

2088
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Speaker 6: You know, almost universally, Ohio State fans would be more

2089
02:00:30,160 --> 02:00:36,040
Speaker 6: prone to wanting the Buckeyes to beat Michigan versus in

2090
02:00:36,080 --> 02:00:37,360
Speaker 6: the national championship.

2091
02:00:39,120 --> 02:00:42,680
Speaker 2: No, it's very It's very true. And unpack that just

2092
02:00:42,720 --> 02:00:46,360
Speaker 2: a little bit so people can understand this because I

2093
02:00:46,520 --> 02:00:48,600
Speaker 2: get it having covered ten of those games and lived

2094
02:00:48,640 --> 02:00:51,280
Speaker 2: back there. But explain it to the people outside of

2095
02:00:51,320 --> 02:00:52,760
Speaker 2: the area why they feel this way.

2096
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Speaker 6: Sure, Ohio State Michigan. I don't know if it's the

2097
02:00:58,320 --> 02:01:02,000
Speaker 6: greatest rivalry in but it certainly has to be up there.

2098
02:01:03,520 --> 02:01:07,080
Speaker 6: The whole season for Ohio State revolves on the Michigan game.

2099
02:01:07,560 --> 02:01:14,920
Speaker 6: It's crazy how passionate the Ohio State fans are. Even

2100
02:01:15,080 --> 02:01:18,760
Speaker 6: signs in and around Columbus that start with the letter

2101
02:01:18,840 --> 02:01:23,040
Speaker 6: and they put x's on it because they're dislike for Michigan.

2102
02:01:24,320 --> 02:01:29,960
Speaker 6: The whole season is such that Ohio State fans just

2103
02:01:30,160 --> 02:01:32,840
Speaker 6: want to beat Michigan. If they goo one and nine

2104
02:01:33,120 --> 02:01:35,360
Speaker 6: in a year, then as long as that one win

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Speaker 6: is Michigan, they're good.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's very true, Don, And having lived outside Ann

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Speaker 2: Arbor for seventeen years and covered that game, it's the

2108
02:01:44,440 --> 02:01:47,960
Speaker 2: same thing there. So it begs the second question, sort

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Speaker 2: of part B of that same question. Now that the

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Speaker 2: history books have been written for the twenty twenty five season,

2111
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Speaker 2: in the first twelve team playoffs in the books, Ohio

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Speaker 2: State lost to Michigan won the National Championship. Take us

2113
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Speaker 2: inside the belly of the Beast in Columbus. Does winning

2114
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Speaker 2: the National Championship for Ohio State soften the blow of

2115
02:02:11,160 --> 02:02:14,560
Speaker 2: losing to Michigan or filled in the blank.

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Speaker 6: I suspect that winning the national championship certainly helps Ryan

2117
02:02:21,280 --> 02:02:25,640
Speaker 6: Dave's position as the head coach at Ohio State. It also,

2118
02:02:25,760 --> 02:02:28,760
Speaker 6: at the same time doesn't really stoppen the blow of

2119
02:02:28,880 --> 02:02:32,880
Speaker 6: losing the game every year to Michigan. But it helps

2120
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Speaker 6: Ryan Day, it helps his recruiting on a national scale.

2121
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Speaker 6: But the people and around Columbus and maybe even Ohio

2122
02:02:41,040 --> 02:02:44,240
Speaker 6: are still disappointed that they lost to Michigan. And it

2123
02:02:44,400 --> 02:02:48,800
Speaker 6: gives bragging rights every year to either the state of

2124
02:02:48,800 --> 02:02:51,800
Speaker 6: Ohio or the state of Michigan, dependent upon who wins

2125
02:02:51,840 --> 02:02:55,800
Speaker 6: that particular game every year. And I'm sure that the

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Speaker 6: people in the state of Michigan are going to continue

2127
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Speaker 6: to remind the people in.

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Speaker 2: The state of ble No that that's very true. So

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02:03:03,680 --> 02:03:06,800
Speaker 2: the bottom line is, even though you got a legitimate

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02:03:06,920 --> 02:03:11,520
Speaker 2: national championship as a sixth seed, you beat Oregon, you

2131
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Speaker 2: beat Tennessee, you want Notre Dame, you did everything you

2132
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Speaker 2: needed to do, You beat Texas convincingly, all these games,

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Speaker 2: all by double digits. Still, the fact that Ohio State

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Speaker 2: lost to Michigan and they have now what is it,

2135
02:03:27,680 --> 02:03:28,280
Speaker 2: four years.

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Speaker 6: In a row, now, don yes, four years in a row.

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Speaker 2: That they're just not going to let Ryan Day forget that?

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02:03:34,720 --> 02:03:36,280
Speaker 2: Is that fair? I don't want to put words in

2139
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Speaker 2: your mouth but is that fair?

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Speaker 6: That absolutely is all right.

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Speaker 2: So let's go back to the day after the Michigan

2142
02:03:44,680 --> 02:03:49,560
Speaker 2: Ohio State game, and it was armageddon, I'm supposing in

2143
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Speaker 2: Columbus after losing to this Michigan team, which you know

2144
02:03:53,400 --> 02:03:57,560
Speaker 2: was a five lost team. What was the narrative around

2145
02:03:57,640 --> 02:04:02,720
Speaker 2: Ohio State? How serious was it that Ryan Day was

2146
02:04:02,720 --> 02:04:04,880
Speaker 2: was in trouble? Because depending on who you talk to,

2147
02:04:04,960 --> 02:04:08,280
Speaker 2: whether it's the nil collective, whether it's the athletic director,

2148
02:04:08,320 --> 02:04:11,480
Speaker 2: whether it was even Urban Meyer, you get varying opinions.

2149
02:04:11,520 --> 02:04:16,080
Speaker 2: What's the reality? How seriously in trouble was Ryan Day

2150
02:04:16,200 --> 02:04:17,360
Speaker 2: After the Michigan game.

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Speaker 1: You know, all of.

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Speaker 6: These sports talk radio stations and the local media were

2153
02:04:24,840 --> 02:04:30,880
Speaker 6: all over Ryan Day, and I don't know many that

2154
02:04:31,040 --> 02:04:34,040
Speaker 6: were supportive of him continuing on as the head coach.

2155
02:04:35,280 --> 02:04:39,840
Speaker 6: All of the locals were upset again flashing back to

2156
02:04:39,920 --> 02:04:42,080
Speaker 6: the one and nine season where that one win is

2157
02:04:42,120 --> 02:04:47,200
Speaker 6: a Michigan win. The people were very, very disappointed, and

2158
02:04:47,240 --> 02:04:50,080
Speaker 6: you know, they didn't look into the account that you know,

2159
02:04:50,160 --> 02:04:54,040
Speaker 6: Ryan Day has the highest winning percentage among the active coaches,

2160
02:04:54,240 --> 02:04:57,160
Speaker 6: and you know that he's won seventy games, and they

2161
02:04:57,160 --> 02:04:59,080
Speaker 6: didn't look at any of that they just hated the

2162
02:04:59,120 --> 02:05:02,480
Speaker 6: fact that he lost Michigan and nothing else matters, and

2163
02:05:03,040 --> 02:05:09,240
Speaker 6: the only positive reinforcing thoughts along Keep and Ryan Day

2164
02:05:10,040 --> 02:05:15,880
Speaker 6: were once by more reasonable season sports analysts and I

2165
02:05:15,960 --> 02:05:19,960
Speaker 6: suspect the athletic director and so forth that were far

2166
02:05:20,040 --> 02:05:23,640
Speaker 6: more rational and not reactive. So it was it was

2167
02:05:23,840 --> 02:05:28,440
Speaker 6: very I'm sure it was very tough times for Ryan

2168
02:05:28,440 --> 02:05:30,520
Speaker 6: and I'm sure for a family and so forth. It

2169
02:05:30,640 --> 02:05:33,720
Speaker 6: was brew for a couple of days after that.

2170
02:05:33,760 --> 02:05:37,520
Speaker 2: Game well, and they had about three weeks to stew

2171
02:05:37,560 --> 02:05:42,760
Speaker 2: before they hosted Tennessee in the first round of the playoffs.

2172
02:05:43,520 --> 02:05:48,040
Speaker 2: I remember distinctly urban Meyer going on national TV and

2173
02:05:48,080 --> 02:05:51,160
Speaker 2: being pretty vehement about the fact that even if Ryan

2174
02:05:51,240 --> 02:05:55,880
Speaker 2: Day loses to Tennessee, he's not getting fired because they

2175
02:05:55,880 --> 02:05:58,800
Speaker 2: spent twenty million dollars keeping this roster together and bringing

2176
02:05:58,840 --> 02:06:01,880
Speaker 2: in new players. He's got a big recruiting class coming

2177
02:06:01,880 --> 02:06:03,840
Speaker 2: in next year, and if Ryan Day were to go,

2178
02:06:04,320 --> 02:06:07,200
Speaker 2: some players would leave and they might disrupt this future

2179
02:06:07,280 --> 02:06:11,840
Speaker 2: recruiting class. So I know it's not real entertaining to

2180
02:06:11,880 --> 02:06:15,839
Speaker 2: do a lot of hypotheticals, but had Ryan Day lost

2181
02:06:16,000 --> 02:06:19,360
Speaker 2: to Tennessee, would urban Meyer been proven correct? He was

2182
02:06:19,440 --> 02:06:22,440
Speaker 2: going nowhere based on the reasons just given, or might

2183
02:06:22,520 --> 02:06:24,840
Speaker 2: Ryan Day have been in serious trouble based on the

2184
02:06:24,880 --> 02:06:26,320
Speaker 2: people you talked to from the collective.

2185
02:06:27,680 --> 02:06:31,760
Speaker 6: You know, it was two schools of thought. One would

2186
02:06:31,800 --> 02:06:35,560
Speaker 6: be the fact that the athletic director had been in

2187
02:06:35,640 --> 02:06:39,120
Speaker 6: his position for less than a year, and I'm sure

2188
02:06:39,160 --> 02:06:41,920
Speaker 6: that he would have wanted to keep things in place

2189
02:06:42,000 --> 02:06:44,760
Speaker 6: to keep the recruiting class coming along. They've got a

2190
02:06:44,800 --> 02:06:48,240
Speaker 6: wonderful recruiting class coming in and so forth. The flip

2191
02:06:48,280 --> 02:06:51,840
Speaker 6: side of that would be the NIL folks, and the

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02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:55,600
Speaker 6: NIL folks, as we all know, are driving a lot

2193
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Speaker 6: of college sports, and I'm fortunate enough to know significant

2194
02:07:00,920 --> 02:07:04,120
Speaker 6: numbers of business owners and so forth that are active

2195
02:07:04,160 --> 02:07:08,840
Speaker 6: participants in NIO. And they were adamant about leading a

2196
02:07:08,880 --> 02:07:13,160
Speaker 6: new coach and moving on. And so it was quite

2197
02:07:13,160 --> 02:07:16,520
Speaker 6: an interesting time with those two different schools of thoughts.

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Speaker 2: All Right, that's interesting to know because in this era

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Speaker 2: of college football, we're talking with Don Gess Ohio State

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02:07:23,480 --> 02:07:29,240
Speaker 2: inside who joins us from Columbus Ohio. Don, obviously there

2201
02:07:29,280 --> 02:07:31,800
Speaker 2: are factions that wield power within the framework of a

2202
02:07:31,880 --> 02:07:37,080
Speaker 2: college football campus. How much power does the NIL collective

2203
02:07:37,200 --> 02:07:40,840
Speaker 2: have at Ohio state month they have swayed the ad if,

2204
02:07:41,160 --> 02:07:45,160
Speaker 2: for instance, again another hypothetical had after losing the Michigan

2205
02:07:45,240 --> 02:07:48,480
Speaker 2: Ryan Day lost to Tennessee, Mitt the collector says, hey,

2206
02:07:48,920 --> 02:07:52,760
Speaker 2: you either get a new coach or we pull our money.

2207
02:07:52,920 --> 02:07:54,200
Speaker 2: Could it have ever gone that far?

2208
02:07:56,080 --> 02:07:58,720
Speaker 6: I would have to think one would have to think

2209
02:07:58,800 --> 02:08:04,920
Speaker 6: that there were significant numbers of those donators that would

2210
02:08:04,920 --> 02:08:08,879
Speaker 6: have had that opinion that if they kept a Day around,

2211
02:08:09,360 --> 02:08:11,560
Speaker 6: that they would have been far more hesitant to write

2212
02:08:11,600 --> 02:08:16,960
Speaker 6: that check. So I'm sure that you know that Bork,

2213
02:08:17,200 --> 02:08:20,280
Speaker 6: the athletic director, was getting phone calls from them too.

2214
02:08:20,360 --> 02:08:22,640
Speaker 6: So it's a it's a tough position for Grid that

2215
02:08:22,800 --> 02:08:26,120
Speaker 6: been in that position for less than a year, and

2216
02:08:26,160 --> 02:08:29,040
Speaker 6: that was a good thing for him, for the University

2217
02:08:29,480 --> 02:08:33,160
Speaker 6: of and for Day in his family for sure that

2218
02:08:33,240 --> 02:08:35,480
Speaker 6: they continued on and won the national championship.

2219
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Speaker 2: So let's continue on down this path ever so quickly.

2220
02:08:41,680 --> 02:08:45,240
Speaker 2: It just feels to me still that some fans have

2221
02:08:45,400 --> 02:08:48,280
Speaker 2: issues with Ryan Day. And I'll give you an example.

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Speaker 2: There's a story that leaked just this past week that

2223
02:08:51,800 --> 02:08:57,400
Speaker 2: Ryan Day participated with the softball team and played and

2224
02:08:57,440 --> 02:08:59,840
Speaker 2: he had it at bat and he didn't really make

2225
02:09:00,240 --> 02:09:03,000
Speaker 2: contact and he looked kind of hit a weak ground

2226
02:09:03,040 --> 02:09:04,720
Speaker 2: ball or something didn't look real good run in the

2227
02:09:04,760 --> 02:09:08,400
Speaker 2: first base and fans lopped onto that. Just as another

2228
02:09:08,480 --> 02:09:11,600
Speaker 2: thing is Ryan Day's still a bit of a mark man.

2229
02:09:11,640 --> 02:09:14,360
Speaker 2: Even though he's actually won an ASTROM championship, it just

2230
02:09:14,440 --> 02:09:18,560
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like the warm and fuzzies this guy's getting well.

2231
02:09:18,960 --> 02:09:24,280
Speaker 6: Part of the reason that Ryan Day is as a

2232
02:09:24,320 --> 02:09:28,000
Speaker 6: bit of an interesting coach in that he's not from

2233
02:09:28,080 --> 02:09:32,360
Speaker 6: Ohio and he doesn't have a lot of those Ohio

2234
02:09:32,440 --> 02:09:35,440
Speaker 6: roots that a couple of the previous coaches, whether it

2235
02:09:35,440 --> 02:09:38,760
Speaker 6: be Tressel or Urban or whoever, that had Ohio roots

2236
02:09:38,800 --> 02:09:42,880
Speaker 6: that got the Michigan Ohio State rivalry that felt the

2237
02:09:42,920 --> 02:09:45,000
Speaker 6: passion of the Ohio fans.

2238
02:09:45,040 --> 02:09:45,680
Speaker 5: And even though.

2239
02:09:45,640 --> 02:09:48,120
Speaker 6: Ryan da has done a wonderful job and again had

2240
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Speaker 6: vent each of active coaches that you know, he still

2241
02:09:52,760 --> 02:09:56,760
Speaker 6: has not the feel or a lot of fans believe

2242
02:09:56,800 --> 02:09:59,320
Speaker 6: that he just doesn't have a feel for the rivalry.

2243
02:09:59,440 --> 02:10:03,839
Speaker 6: So if there was an Ohio person maybe in that position,

2244
02:10:04,400 --> 02:10:10,080
Speaker 6: that they would be far less motivated to remind him

2245
02:10:11,120 --> 02:10:12,600
Speaker 6: of where they came from.

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02:10:13,040 --> 02:10:16,040
Speaker 2: Time with Don Gessic Ohio State insider from Columbus Ohio,

2247
02:10:16,400 --> 02:10:20,040
Speaker 2: putting the final chapter on Ryan Dave's topsy Turvy Ohio

2248
02:10:20,120 --> 02:10:22,600
Speaker 2: State's twenty twenty five season. Another thing that emerged this

2249
02:10:22,640 --> 02:10:25,720
Speaker 2: week don Ohio State went all in, pushed all their

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Speaker 2: chips to the middle to win the Natty. They did it.

2251
02:10:28,520 --> 02:10:32,200
Speaker 2: But now I'm hearing stories that a financial statement submitted

2252
02:10:32,200 --> 02:10:35,160
Speaker 2: to the NCAA, the school's athletic department is in a

2253
02:10:35,200 --> 02:10:38,720
Speaker 2: deficit of thirty eight million dollars and they're wondering if

2254
02:10:38,760 --> 02:10:41,960
Speaker 2: it was worth it? Now is that true? Can you

2255
02:10:41,960 --> 02:10:44,720
Speaker 2: speak to that? Were you aware of that? Well?

2256
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Speaker 6: I saw the budget was two hundred and ninety two million.

2257
02:10:48,440 --> 02:10:51,280
Speaker 6: Then they claimed that they lost thirty eight millions. Is

2258
02:10:51,280 --> 02:10:51,680
Speaker 6: that true?

2259
02:10:51,720 --> 02:10:54,120
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, that's a reporter, that's a report

2260
02:10:54,160 --> 02:10:59,360
Speaker 2: I read exact same thing. Yes, yep, And so is

2261
02:10:59,400 --> 02:10:59,680
Speaker 2: that true?

2262
02:10:59,720 --> 02:11:03,760
Speaker 6: I don't But what is winning a national championship worth

2263
02:11:04,200 --> 02:11:10,120
Speaker 6: in terms of publicity and recruiting and donation dollars not

2264
02:11:10,160 --> 02:11:14,080
Speaker 6: only to the university athletic program, but to the medical.

2265
02:11:13,680 --> 02:11:16,960
Speaker 4: Center and to endowments.

2266
02:11:17,480 --> 02:11:20,440
Speaker 6: What is winning a national championship? If you go anywhere

2267
02:11:20,440 --> 02:11:23,320
Speaker 6: in the world and tell them you went to Ohio State,

2268
02:11:23,360 --> 02:11:27,400
Speaker 6: the national champ what is that worth in advertising and

2269
02:11:27,480 --> 02:11:29,280
Speaker 6: money's coming in overall?

2270
02:11:30,160 --> 02:11:32,960
Speaker 2: Well, you bring up an excellent point, and some of

2271
02:11:32,960 --> 02:11:35,800
Speaker 2: the message boards in Ohio they're starting to wonder what's

2272
02:11:35,800 --> 02:11:39,600
Speaker 2: with all the negative articles on Ohio States International title.

2273
02:11:40,080 --> 02:11:42,320
Speaker 2: You know, mission there were crickets last year Michigan won

2274
02:11:42,360 --> 02:11:44,960
Speaker 2: the title and they were accused of science stealing and

2275
02:11:45,080 --> 02:11:50,400
Speaker 2: legally recruiting and all that kind of stuff. So I

2276
02:11:50,600 --> 02:11:54,560
Speaker 2: just for whatever reason, it just feels like even though

2277
02:11:55,360 --> 02:11:59,000
Speaker 2: Ryan Day silenced his critics, they won the national championship,

2278
02:11:59,320 --> 02:12:04,000
Speaker 2: they overcame. There's just something this Paul cast over Ryan

2279
02:12:04,080 --> 02:12:08,240
Speaker 2: Day one final thing don great stuff. There's another rumor

2280
02:12:08,280 --> 02:12:12,680
Speaker 2: that Ryan Day is not ruling out a return to

2281
02:12:12,760 --> 02:12:16,040
Speaker 2: the NFL. I know nothing about any of the immediacy

2282
02:12:16,080 --> 02:12:19,160
Speaker 2: where that might happen, or if it's really in the cards.

2283
02:12:19,560 --> 02:12:23,320
Speaker 2: But also that's footing around in the ether as well.

2284
02:12:24,120 --> 02:12:26,240
Speaker 2: Could you see that happening in the next year or two.

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02:12:27,360 --> 02:12:30,040
Speaker 6: Well, as you know, he was in a podcast earlier

2286
02:12:30,120 --> 02:12:34,840
Speaker 6: this week and he was posed with that exact question,

2287
02:12:35,440 --> 02:12:39,080
Speaker 6: and you know, he's an NFL guy, and these days

2288
02:12:39,160 --> 02:12:42,400
Speaker 6: being a college coach isn't what being a college coach

2289
02:12:42,720 --> 02:12:45,440
Speaker 6: was twenty years ago when you didn't have nil stuff

2290
02:12:46,200 --> 02:12:50,000
Speaker 6: in national contracts and things like that. You're right he

2291
02:12:50,040 --> 02:12:54,080
Speaker 6: did not just wait, and most college coaches probably these days,

2292
02:12:54,120 --> 02:12:57,600
Speaker 6: would not rule out the possibility of returning to the

2293
02:12:57,720 --> 02:13:02,960
Speaker 6: NFL just because you know the hoops that you have

2294
02:13:03,040 --> 02:13:04,919
Speaker 6: to jump through in college football these states.

2295
02:13:05,920 --> 02:13:10,960
Speaker 2: Don, great stuff. What a crazy topsy turvy story. We

2296
02:13:11,000 --> 02:13:13,200
Speaker 2: would have had you on either way, whether or not

2297
02:13:13,440 --> 02:13:15,720
Speaker 2: Ohio State would have won the National Championship or not.

2298
02:13:16,360 --> 02:13:19,600
Speaker 2: But it's incredible. You know, we're living in different times, Don,

2299
02:13:20,040 --> 02:13:22,760
Speaker 2: When you can lose to Michigan and still win the

2300
02:13:22,840 --> 02:13:24,960
Speaker 2: National Championship, we're living in different times.

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02:13:25,000 --> 02:13:29,800
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, yes, it certainly was an interesting year to

2302
02:13:30,720 --> 02:13:33,720
Speaker 6: for Ohio State and it's an interesting time for college football.

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02:13:34,680 --> 02:13:37,680
Speaker 2: It is all right, great stuff. That's Donsick. Don, thanks

2304
02:13:37,720 --> 02:13:41,120
Speaker 2: so much for joining us this morning, and we'll talk soon, buddy.

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02:13:41,880 --> 02:13:45,560
Speaker 2: That is the Don Gessick Ohio State insider. We stay

2306
02:13:45,560 --> 02:13:48,560
Speaker 2: in touch quite a bit. We've followed this story for

2307
02:13:48,600 --> 02:13:52,080
Speaker 2: the last couple of years. It just really isn't pretty.

2308
02:13:52,160 --> 02:13:54,720
Speaker 2: I saw it from the Michigan side. When you lose

2309
02:13:54,760 --> 02:13:58,120
Speaker 2: to Ohio State and vice versa, even though you win

2310
02:13:58,160 --> 02:14:01,879
Speaker 2: the Natty the you know, the bad taste of losing

2311
02:14:01,960 --> 02:14:05,400
Speaker 2: to Michigan is still in their mouths. So it'll be

2312
02:14:05,440 --> 02:14:07,840
Speaker 2: interesting to see what the future holes is coming season

2313
02:14:07,840 --> 02:14:10,640
Speaker 2: at Ohio State. They're going to be loaded again and

2314
02:14:10,920 --> 02:14:13,760
Speaker 2: this year they got to play Michigan at Michigan, and

2315
02:14:14,080 --> 02:14:15,760
Speaker 2: I gotta tell you, we'll see what the group think

2316
02:14:15,800 --> 02:14:19,280
Speaker 2: echo Chamber narrative involves this year. Hey, football fans, be

2317
02:14:19,280 --> 02:14:22,560
Speaker 2: sure to tune into Fox Sports Radio every Sunday morning,

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Speaker 2: beginning at ten am Eastern seven am Pacific for Countdown

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Speaker 2: my buddy, Bill Krackenberger. Have you covered three hours before kickoff?

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Speaker 2: Every Sunday morning, listen to Countdown to Kickoff presented by

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Speaker 2: BETMGM right here on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio

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Speaker 2: app coming up around the bottom of the arm. We'll

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Speaker 2: have the world of soccer. But in the meantime, you're

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Speaker 2: not gonna believe what Cam Newton said when Brian Schottenheimer

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Speaker 2: got hired as the new coach of the Cowboys. You

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Speaker 2: talk about a wild theory. Cam is out there, but

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Speaker 2: she already knew that. I'm Bernie Frider, were coming to

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Speaker 2: your line from Las Vegas, Fox Sports Radio Tyrec dot

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Speaker 2: com studios. Keep it locked. You're listening to the Bernie

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Speaker 2: Frale Show on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

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Speaker 3: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to

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Speaker 3: listen live.

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Speaker 2: Back on the Bernie Frattle Show Fox Sports Radio. Coming

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Speaker 2: you lie from the tarret dot com studios here in

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Speaker 2: Las Vegas. A few minutes, we'll bring you a world

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02:15:23,200 --> 02:15:27,400
Speaker 2: of soccer. I promised, I promised a little funnel numbers

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Speaker 2: in the Super Bowl. It's knock out a few of those.

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02:15:31,080 --> 02:15:33,680
Speaker 2: How about the number seven. That's the number of game

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Speaker 2: winning drives that Patrick Mahomes had in the fourth quarter,

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02:15:36,760 --> 02:15:39,840
Speaker 2: just this last seas alone. That's why they were fifteen

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Speaker 2: to two, really fifteen and one in games they wanted

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Speaker 2: to win. Because the dude performs in the clutch. Blame

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Speaker 2: the refs, sure, but this guy performs in the clutch.

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Speaker 2: Eleven that's the number of times the city New Orleans

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Speaker 2: is host of the Super Bowl. How about the number

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Speaker 2: fifteen Egles defensive end Brandon Graham out of Michigan, fifteen

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Speaker 2: years in the league, thirty six years old. He's the

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Speaker 2: longest tenured player in the Super Bowl. How about the

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Speaker 2: number seventeen? That's the number of playoff wins Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 2: already has in his young career, ranked second only to

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Speaker 2: Tom Brady, whose number is thirty five. Got a waste

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Speaker 2: to go? You may catch him, you never know. Twenty

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Speaker 2: three that's the number of straight up wins the Chiefs

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Speaker 2: have won in their last twenty five games. Really twenty

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Speaker 2: three out of twenty four. They didn't care if they

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Speaker 2: won the Denver game. How About how about fifty five?

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Speaker 2: That's the number of players on Philadelphia's roster. They were

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Speaker 2: not even in the National Football League when the Eagles

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02:16:41,680 --> 02:16:45,280
Speaker 2: won their last Super Bowl championship during the twenty seventeen season.

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Speaker 2: By the way, they beat Tom Brady's New England Patriots. Finally,

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Speaker 2: sixty eight sixty eight is in sixty eight million. That's

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02:16:58,240 --> 02:17:01,080
Speaker 2: the number of Americans who are expected the place at

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Speaker 2: least one wager on the Super Bowl. Super Bowl fifty nine,

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02:17:06,640 --> 02:17:10,000
Speaker 2: sixty eight million people will place at least one wager.

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Speaker 2: That's expected to be about thirty five percent jump from

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Speaker 2: two years ago. Now I mentioned Cam Newton, fresh off

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Speaker 2: his statement the other day that he'd rather win an

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Speaker 2: MVP than win a Super Bowl. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: let's make no mistake, Cam has been making outrageous statements

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02:17:32,400 --> 02:17:36,880
Speaker 2: for a long time. I'm kind of okay with it

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02:17:36,920 --> 02:17:41,600
Speaker 2: because he's so wacky and funny and mildly entertaining. Let's

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02:17:41,640 --> 02:17:43,959
Speaker 2: just go back a year ago to the day he

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02:17:44,080 --> 02:17:46,760
Speaker 2: dissed brock Party and then doubled down on brock Party

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02:17:46,920 --> 02:17:49,640
Speaker 2: on the eve of the Super Bowl. He has a

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02:17:49,720 --> 02:17:52,960
Speaker 2: podcast I think called fourth and One. He said he

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02:17:53,080 --> 02:17:56,120
Speaker 2: never called Purty trash, but rather just a game manager.

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02:17:56,120 --> 02:17:58,840
Speaker 2: And he doesn't elevate players. He said. He reserves the

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02:17:58,920 --> 02:18:02,640
Speaker 2: right to say this. He's not recanning ish. He said,

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02:18:02,680 --> 02:18:08,959
Speaker 2: brock Perty is the tenth best player. Even though pretty

2383
02:18:08,959 --> 02:18:12,120
Speaker 2: got to the same number of Super Bowls, you know

2384
02:18:12,160 --> 02:18:14,840
Speaker 2: that Cam got to in his career. I think Cam

2385
02:18:14,879 --> 02:18:17,360
Speaker 2: only made the playoffs three times in eleven seasons, so

2386
02:18:18,680 --> 02:18:21,160
Speaker 2: or check that not make the playoffs three winning seasons

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02:18:21,160 --> 02:18:24,600
Speaker 2: in eleven seasons, but he did get to one super Bowl.

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02:18:25,000 --> 02:18:27,879
Speaker 2: But you got to hear this wild theory. Okay, Jerry

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02:18:27,959 --> 02:18:32,880
Speaker 2: Jones didn't exactly set the world on fire when he

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02:18:32,959 --> 02:18:37,480
Speaker 2: decided to hire Brian Schottenheimer, and so that merely opened

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02:18:37,520 --> 02:18:41,640
Speaker 2: the door that for Cam Newton, who kind of dresses

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02:18:41,680 --> 02:18:44,240
Speaker 2: funny a little. But again, it's all part of the

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02:18:44,240 --> 02:18:47,200
Speaker 2: stick people are watching. I'm talking about it. We're doing

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02:18:47,200 --> 02:18:52,199
Speaker 2: something right. Cam Newton continued, showing his earlier wild theories

2395
02:18:52,200 --> 02:18:55,400
Speaker 2: about the NFL or no Fluke, but this latest one

2396
02:18:56,200 --> 02:18:58,440
Speaker 2: he is frankly going to have you saying, Okay, Cam,

2397
02:18:59,120 --> 02:19:02,360
Speaker 2: you need to maybe down with the cool compress, get

2398
02:19:02,440 --> 02:19:05,280
Speaker 2: yourself some more milk and soft music and hope it

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02:19:05,320 --> 02:19:11,280
Speaker 2: goes away. Just this last Thursday, Cam Newton predicted on

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02:19:12,240 --> 02:19:17,320
Speaker 2: first take that the Cowboys new coach Brian Schottenheimer will

2401
02:19:17,320 --> 02:19:21,000
Speaker 2: be a one and done coach and he's merely being

2402
02:19:21,040 --> 02:19:23,720
Speaker 2: hired by Jerry do being. You know, he's going to

2403
02:19:23,760 --> 02:19:29,160
Speaker 2: be set up to take the fall because according to Cam,

2404
02:19:29,520 --> 02:19:31,320
Speaker 2: the team is just simply going to try to tank

2405
02:19:31,360 --> 02:19:35,320
Speaker 2: this year to draft Texas quarterback Arch Manning next year.

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02:19:36,280 --> 02:19:41,120
Speaker 2: And interestingly enough, Cam proving that that take was no

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02:19:41,280 --> 02:19:45,280
Speaker 2: fluke and wild, his next prediction might have been even

2408
02:19:45,320 --> 02:19:47,480
Speaker 2: more off the wall. He said, quote, I think they're

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02:19:47,520 --> 02:19:51,120
Speaker 2: tanking for Arch Manning. Make it makes sense. Coach Schottenheimer

2410
02:19:51,160 --> 02:19:53,480
Speaker 2: has one and done written all over him. You get

2411
02:19:53,480 --> 02:19:55,959
Speaker 2: the first pick of the draft. Not only that, I'm

2412
02:19:56,000 --> 02:19:57,880
Speaker 2: going to go to my godfather back and say, Okay,

2413
02:19:58,000 --> 02:20:00,320
Speaker 2: Jerry Jones is a businessman. He's going to to get

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02:20:00,320 --> 02:20:02,680
Speaker 2: into this Don corleone Mentality's going to give you a

2415
02:20:02,680 --> 02:20:04,240
Speaker 2: deal that he can't refuse. Who's he going to give

2416
02:20:04,240 --> 02:20:07,440
Speaker 2: that deal to? Wait for it? Cam Newton not only

2417
02:20:07,440 --> 02:20:11,279
Speaker 2: believes they're going to tank on purpose and Brian Schottenhamer

2418
02:20:11,320 --> 02:20:15,080
Speaker 2: will be a sacrificial lamb so they can tank and

2419
02:20:15,120 --> 02:20:19,000
Speaker 2: get arch Manning number one. Who does he want Jerry

2420
02:20:19,080 --> 02:20:22,920
Speaker 2: Jones to hire Nick Saban? Yeah? So Cam Newton believes

2421
02:20:22,959 --> 02:20:25,800
Speaker 2: Jerry Jones and the Cowboys are purposely tanking so they

2422
02:20:25,840 --> 02:20:28,120
Speaker 2: can draft arch Manning and hire Nick Saban as their

2423
02:20:28,120 --> 02:20:31,360
Speaker 2: head coach. Don't know if there was alcohol involved, but

2424
02:20:31,400 --> 02:20:34,959
Speaker 2: that's Cam. By the way. One last thing, Cam's plan,

2425
02:20:35,360 --> 02:20:41,560
Speaker 2: his master plan doesn't exactly resonate. Okay, First of all,

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02:20:41,680 --> 02:20:45,600
Speaker 2: arch Manning, who by all accounts has a great future

2427
02:20:45,720 --> 02:20:49,080
Speaker 2: and projects very well, he hasn't really played over the

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02:20:49,120 --> 02:20:50,440
Speaker 2: whole of a lot in college. He's got to prove

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02:20:50,480 --> 02:20:53,160
Speaker 2: himself with Texas this upcoming season as a hand in

2430
02:20:53,240 --> 02:20:56,840
Speaker 2: the keys of the car. And what makes Cam think

2431
02:20:56,879 --> 02:21:00,199
Speaker 2: that you could lure Nick Saban out of retirement for money?

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02:21:00,360 --> 02:21:03,240
Speaker 2: I don't think Saban's driven by money. He's going to

2433
02:21:03,280 --> 02:21:05,800
Speaker 2: turn seventy four in October. That in and out of

2434
02:21:05,840 --> 02:21:08,600
Speaker 2: itself doesn't mean anything. But the guy's been coaching for

2435
02:21:08,600 --> 02:21:12,359
Speaker 2: forty five years. He's retired from Alabama. He didn't exactly

2436
02:21:12,400 --> 02:21:15,200
Speaker 2: have great success in his loan NFL stint wasn't his fault.

2437
02:21:15,200 --> 02:21:17,480
Speaker 2: He wanted Drew Brees. Drew Brees couldn't pass the physical,

2438
02:21:17,920 --> 02:21:20,760
Speaker 2: so he left Miami and went to Alabama, and he

2439
02:21:20,800 --> 02:21:23,280
Speaker 2: openly said he regretted leaving college for the NFL in

2440
02:21:23,280 --> 02:21:26,560
Speaker 2: the first place in retrospect. So, even if Brian Schottenheimer

2441
02:21:26,640 --> 02:21:28,600
Speaker 2: turns out to be a one and done coach, no

2442
02:21:28,680 --> 02:21:32,360
Speaker 2: amount of money is likely to convince Nick Saban to

2443
02:21:32,400 --> 02:21:35,800
Speaker 2: come back and coach the Cowboys. But give it up

2444
02:21:35,800 --> 02:21:40,160
Speaker 2: to Cam Newton. This is probably why he's on ESPN

2445
02:21:40,200 --> 02:21:43,280
Speaker 2: to begin with. He's got nothing but one bull take

2446
02:21:43,360 --> 02:21:46,600
Speaker 2: after another, and he is the type of guy who

2447
02:21:46,720 --> 02:21:49,680
Speaker 2: doubles down and he makes you peek. It's almost like

2448
02:21:49,720 --> 02:21:52,240
Speaker 2: a train wreck. Every time he talks. But you're listening.

2449
02:21:52,959 --> 02:21:55,640
Speaker 2: You're listening, and hell, I'm talking about it right now,

2450
02:21:55,640 --> 02:21:57,000
Speaker 2: so I'm guilty too.

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02:21:57,360 --> 02:21:57,480
Speaker 6: Right.

2452
02:21:57,520 --> 02:21:59,280
Speaker 2: We try to cover it all on the Bernie Frotter Show.

2453
02:21:59,320 --> 02:22:04,880
Speaker 2: We even cover the sport football spelled fut b o

2454
02:22:05,240 --> 02:22:08,600
Speaker 2: l played internationally and in the MLS, where they have

2455
02:22:08,640 --> 02:22:11,880
Speaker 2: found some hard times. Here with the World of Soccer

2456
02:22:11,959 --> 02:22:15,480
Speaker 2: Christopher Fetz World of Soccer, the.

2457
02:22:15,520 --> 02:22:31,640
Speaker 3: Greatest goals, the thrilling finishes, the international drama. It's all

2458
02:22:31,680 --> 02:22:34,560
Speaker 3: here in this report from the World of Soccer.

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Speaker 7: Neimar da Silva Santos Junior is going to be turning

2460
02:22:38,760 --> 02:22:42,280
Speaker 7: thirty three on the fifth of February. Here it's three

2461
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Speaker 7: days after you hear this World of Soccer Bernie, and

2462
02:22:46,320 --> 02:22:48,680
Speaker 7: he's joining a new club and it is the old

2463
02:22:48,760 --> 02:22:53,800
Speaker 7: club for him. After a long time out in the world,

2464
02:22:54,160 --> 02:22:59,440
Speaker 7: Neymar announces that he will join the Brazilian club Santos Santos,

2465
02:22:59,440 --> 02:23:01,879
Speaker 7: where he began and his career six years of his

2466
02:23:01,959 --> 02:23:05,880
Speaker 7: junior of his youth career and the first four years

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02:23:05,879 --> 02:23:09,560
Speaker 7: of his senior career, which saw him met one hundred

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02:23:09,640 --> 02:23:13,359
Speaker 7: and seven goals and one hundred and seventy seven appearances

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02:23:13,400 --> 02:23:16,879
Speaker 7: before obviously going to Barcelona and becoming the star that

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Speaker 7: we know. Santos is a club that is near and

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02:23:19,360 --> 02:23:21,240
Speaker 7: dear to the heart of Neymar. It's near and dear

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02:23:21,320 --> 02:23:23,880
Speaker 7: to the heart to the sport. After all, Santos is

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02:23:23,920 --> 02:23:28,000
Speaker 7: also the club from pele It is one of the

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02:23:28,120 --> 02:23:31,720
Speaker 7: royalty of the Brasi Lei Roux, the top flight of

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02:23:31,760 --> 02:23:35,480
Speaker 7: Brazilian soccer, and of course Brazil being a country that

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02:23:35,520 --> 02:23:39,439
Speaker 7: produces an incredible amount of soccer talent, and Neymar himself,

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02:23:39,720 --> 02:23:42,440
Speaker 7: even though he will be turning thirty three at injury

2478
02:23:42,480 --> 02:23:45,440
Speaker 7: has plagued him throughout the years, will be returning home

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02:23:46,080 --> 02:23:49,320
Speaker 7: in triumphant He was in tears discussing the matter. He

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02:23:49,400 --> 02:23:51,920
Speaker 7: called it a rescue for him and says he wants

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02:23:52,000 --> 02:23:54,960
Speaker 7: to regain his confidence. This is, of course, coming after

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02:23:55,040 --> 02:23:57,800
Speaker 7: his departure from Paris a Germain, where he was part

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02:23:57,800 --> 02:24:01,000
Speaker 7: of a burgeoning crew of European players joining the Saudi

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02:24:01,000 --> 02:24:05,400
Speaker 7: Arabian Pro League, and joined Al Helal a year and

2485
02:24:05,440 --> 02:24:08,599
Speaker 7: a half campaign that only saw him with seven appearances

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02:24:08,600 --> 02:24:12,160
Speaker 7: for the club one goal, as injuries plagued Naymar as

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02:24:12,160 --> 02:24:13,199
Speaker 7: they have plagued.

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Speaker 8: Him for the last part of his career.

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Speaker 7: It's a rescue for me of happiness of football, said Neymar.

2490
02:24:18,480 --> 02:24:20,440
Speaker 7: It's been a long time since I've played, since I've

2491
02:24:20,440 --> 02:24:22,520
Speaker 7: done the thing I love most in the world, which

2492
02:24:22,600 --> 02:24:25,520
Speaker 7: is playing football, So today it's more of a rescue

2493
02:24:25,520 --> 02:24:25,760
Speaker 7: for me.

2494
02:24:26,000 --> 02:24:27,600
Speaker 8: I'm seeing it in a personal sense.

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02:24:28,080 --> 02:24:30,320
Speaker 7: I'm happy that everyone is saying it's a rescue of

2496
02:24:30,320 --> 02:24:32,920
Speaker 7: Brazilian soccer. I don't know about that, but it is

2497
02:24:33,040 --> 02:24:36,280
Speaker 7: much so a homecoming for the player who has needed

2498
02:24:36,560 --> 02:24:39,119
Speaker 7: a shot in the arm for himself. However, for other

2499
02:24:39,160 --> 02:24:41,920
Speaker 7: clubs it might be a point of consternation. His departure

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02:24:41,920 --> 02:24:45,440
Speaker 7: from the Saudi Arabian Pro League was something of an

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02:24:45,640 --> 02:24:49,960
Speaker 7: opportunity for Major League Soccer in North America, where Neymar

2502
02:24:50,040 --> 02:24:54,080
Speaker 7: has been the subject of rumors for quite some time

2503
02:24:54,200 --> 02:24:57,640
Speaker 7: about his potential transfer to the American side.

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02:24:58,080 --> 02:25:00,199
Speaker 8: It did not seem like it would appear.

2505
02:25:00,280 --> 02:25:03,200
Speaker 7: Was going to work with Inter Miami, that they weren't

2506
02:25:03,360 --> 02:25:05,359
Speaker 7: going to be one of the teams bidding for Naymar.

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02:25:06,040 --> 02:25:10,080
Speaker 7: Miami manager Javier Mascherano said that it was going to

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02:25:10,120 --> 02:25:13,600
Speaker 7: be impossible to add Namar given that the MLS currently

2509
02:25:13,640 --> 02:25:19,000
Speaker 7: has multiple restrictions on roster salaries, and of course, the

2510
02:25:19,080 --> 02:25:23,080
Speaker 7: salary cap remains a uniquely American thing that prevents clubs

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02:25:23,280 --> 02:25:27,480
Speaker 7: like from Miami from being stars on the biggest stage

2512
02:25:27,520 --> 02:25:30,240
Speaker 7: in the world. Well, the salary cap remains something that

2513
02:25:30,240 --> 02:25:32,640
Speaker 7: can make things equal in America. The rest of the

2514
02:25:32,680 --> 02:25:36,160
Speaker 7: world doesn't see it that way, and it remains a

2515
02:25:36,200 --> 02:25:41,280
Speaker 7: weird American artifact that holds down MLS. But three other

2516
02:25:41,320 --> 02:25:45,120
Speaker 7: clubs were also involved, including at least one according to ESPN,

2517
02:25:45,120 --> 02:25:47,680
Speaker 7: which would have included the Chicago Fire, which would have

2518
02:25:47,680 --> 02:25:51,520
Speaker 7: been fantastic. Naymar in a major market like Chicago would

2519
02:25:51,600 --> 02:25:54,760
Speaker 7: have been wonderful, even though he's been plagued with injury,

2520
02:25:54,800 --> 02:25:57,280
Speaker 7: even though it's been quite some time since we've really

2521
02:25:57,280 --> 02:25:59,879
Speaker 7: seen the peak of Naymar, even though he was still

2522
02:26:00,080 --> 02:26:03,360
Speaker 7: you know, productive at Paris Saint Germain eighty two goals

2523
02:26:03,360 --> 02:26:06,640
Speaker 7: and one hundred and twelve appearances. It's usually been seen

2524
02:26:06,640 --> 02:26:09,520
Speaker 7: that he's on the wrong side of his career, but

2525
02:26:09,560 --> 02:26:13,400
Speaker 7: that's never stopped signings in MLS before, So once again

2526
02:26:13,480 --> 02:26:17,720
Speaker 7: MLS does have to hold that a great player has

2527
02:26:17,840 --> 02:26:21,760
Speaker 7: once again decided to shun the American side. Did not

2528
02:26:21,920 --> 02:26:25,280
Speaker 7: follow the example of Lionel Messi, but instead goes home

2529
02:26:25,320 --> 02:26:29,240
Speaker 7: to Brazil, which is still, in my mind, the correct response.

2530
02:26:29,320 --> 02:26:33,720
Speaker 7: Naymar needs this for himself. Namar needs to play in

2531
02:26:33,800 --> 02:26:37,000
Speaker 7: some place that is still very fun for him. And

2532
02:26:37,080 --> 02:26:38,440
Speaker 7: let's not forget at the end of the day, the

2533
02:26:38,440 --> 02:26:42,640
Speaker 7: Brazilian domestic league is still incredibly good.

2534
02:26:42,840 --> 02:26:45,599
Speaker 8: It is separated, of course from Europe because.

2535
02:26:45,320 --> 02:26:47,280
Speaker 7: It's not part of YUEFA, and that's not part of

2536
02:26:47,320 --> 02:26:50,280
Speaker 7: our larger imagination of what we consider the top pro soccer.

2537
02:26:50,800 --> 02:26:53,360
Speaker 7: Nor is it MLS, which is right here in our hearts,

2538
02:26:53,360 --> 02:26:55,680
Speaker 7: in our country, nor is it even Lega MX. But

2539
02:26:55,800 --> 02:26:59,360
Speaker 7: I think it's on a level of those, if not better.

2540
02:27:00,000 --> 02:27:02,480
Speaker 7: And for Neymar to return to Santos, to return to

2541
02:27:02,520 --> 02:27:04,760
Speaker 7: the club of his youth, to return to the club

2542
02:27:04,800 --> 02:27:07,560
Speaker 7: of Pele and all of this history, it is a

2543
02:27:07,600 --> 02:27:10,120
Speaker 7: way for him to also go and mentor the next

2544
02:27:10,240 --> 02:27:14,080
Speaker 7: great stars, because who knows what will come out of Santos,

2545
02:27:14,320 --> 02:27:16,120
Speaker 7: of one of the four clubs that I consider the

2546
02:27:16,200 --> 02:27:21,080
Speaker 7: royalty of Brazilian soccer, along with Corinthians, Paul Maris and Salpaulo.

2547
02:27:21,600 --> 02:27:23,640
Speaker 7: As for MLS, and I know I have a habit

2548
02:27:23,680 --> 02:27:25,520
Speaker 7: to be very harsh on MLS because I want to

2549
02:27:25,520 --> 02:27:27,279
Speaker 7: see it be one of the best leagues of the world.

2550
02:27:27,520 --> 02:27:29,560
Speaker 7: This is once again a little more egg on the face.

2551
02:27:29,879 --> 02:27:31,600
Speaker 7: It is a little less egg because it is a

2552
02:27:31,600 --> 02:27:34,200
Speaker 7: thirty three year old player soon to be thirty threes,

2553
02:27:34,520 --> 02:27:37,320
Speaker 7: but it is still a name that once again MLS

2554
02:27:37,360 --> 02:27:40,560
Speaker 7: had within their grasp and let go. And it once

2555
02:27:40,560 --> 02:27:43,520
Speaker 7: again begs, especially in the question of innenter Miami, what

2556
02:27:43,560 --> 02:27:46,120
Speaker 7: the hell the salary cap is for other than to

2557
02:27:46,600 --> 02:27:49,879
Speaker 7: hamstring teams from being the best things they can possibly be.

2558
02:27:50,120 --> 02:27:51,520
Speaker 7: That's going to do it for us in the world

2559
02:27:51,560 --> 02:27:54,280
Speaker 7: of soccer, Bernie will see you next time, see you

2560
02:27:54,320 --> 02:27:55,039
Speaker 7: star side.

2561
02:27:56,240 --> 02:27:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, MLS is having some rough times here we have

2562
02:27:59,040 --> 02:28:01,959
Speaker 2: with the world of soccer. Well coming up and wrap

2563
02:28:02,040 --> 02:28:08,240
Speaker 2: up the show. Obviously, a major bombshell dropped Saturday night

2564
02:28:08,280 --> 02:28:11,120
Speaker 2: around nine to thirty Pacific time. Has really turned the

2565
02:28:11,160 --> 02:28:13,840
Speaker 2: sports world on its ear and it's just now barely

2566
02:28:13,879 --> 02:28:19,280
Speaker 2: being digested. Have some final thoughts because the more I

2567
02:28:19,320 --> 02:28:25,920
Speaker 2: think about it, the more I'm wondering how this deal

2568
02:28:25,959 --> 02:28:30,720
Speaker 2: would be judged from the standpoint of the Dallas Mavericks

2569
02:28:30,760 --> 02:28:33,840
Speaker 2: in future years, and We're never going to really know

2570
02:28:33,879 --> 02:28:38,800
Speaker 2: what their real motivation was. They've listed several reasons which

2571
02:28:38,800 --> 02:28:43,920
Speaker 2: we've already chronicled throughout the show. But keep this in mind.

2572
02:28:43,480 --> 02:28:49,280
Speaker 2: The opposite Cowboys, the Mavericks are trading a guy who

2573
02:28:49,320 --> 02:28:54,400
Speaker 2: isn't just the face of a franchise. He is, perhaps

2574
02:28:56,120 --> 02:28:58,359
Speaker 2: at least in his first five years, the most accomplished

2575
02:28:58,400 --> 02:29:02,360
Speaker 2: young player in NBA history. He's the only player had

2576
02:29:02,480 --> 02:29:06,400
Speaker 2: five First Team All NBA Awards by the age of

2577
02:29:06,400 --> 02:29:09,800
Speaker 2: twenty four. Kevin Durant didn't do that. Tim Duncan didn't

2578
02:29:09,840 --> 02:29:14,199
Speaker 2: do that. Dwight Howard, Lebron, James Isiah Thomas, Oscar Robertson,

2579
02:29:14,440 --> 02:29:17,560
Speaker 2: none of them did that. We're going to unpack this

2580
02:29:17,760 --> 02:29:20,720
Speaker 2: just a little bit more and the shock value of

2581
02:29:20,760 --> 02:29:23,400
Speaker 2: trading a player his age in the middle of the

2582
02:29:23,440 --> 02:29:28,600
Speaker 2: season with this much ability. I'm Bernie fraddle Wood coming

2583
02:29:28,600 --> 02:29:30,880
Speaker 2: to you line from the Las Vegas Fox Sports Radio

2584
02:29:30,959 --> 02:29:33,560
Speaker 2: tyrack dot Com studios. Keep it locked. You're listening to

2585
02:29:33,560 --> 02:29:38,280
Speaker 2: the Bernie fraddle Show on Fox Sports Radio. I'll wrapping

2586
02:29:38,240 --> 02:29:40,360
Speaker 2: it up on The Bernie fraddle Show Comedy Live from

2587
02:29:40,360 --> 02:29:46,000
Speaker 2: the tyrack dot Com studios here Fox Sports Radio. By

2588
02:29:46,000 --> 02:29:48,080
Speaker 2: the way, I want to remind everybody shortly after the show,

2589
02:29:48,160 --> 02:29:51,240
Speaker 2: our podcasts will be going up. If you missed theudio

2590
02:29:51,240 --> 02:29:53,360
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2591
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2594
02:30:04,480 --> 02:30:06,840
Speaker 2: You'll see the show posted right after we get off

2595
02:30:07,920 --> 02:30:12,039
Speaker 2: the air. I'm racking my brain. I was on the

2596
02:30:12,080 --> 02:30:15,959
Speaker 2: air August eight, nineteen ninety nine, when Barry Sanders unceremoniously

2597
02:30:16,800 --> 02:30:19,360
Speaker 2: left the Detroit Lions without any warning. We must have

2598
02:30:19,400 --> 02:30:22,720
Speaker 2: taken calls for three hours at night. It was on

2599
02:30:22,760 --> 02:30:24,920
Speaker 2: the air November nineteen, two thousand and four, during the

2600
02:30:24,920 --> 02:30:28,400
Speaker 2: Mouse at the Palace. Who can forget that? We just

2601
02:30:28,400 --> 02:30:31,200
Speaker 2: had the twenty year anniversary of that. I'm gonna have

2602
02:30:31,240 --> 02:30:34,240
Speaker 2: to rank this up there with both of those, in

2603
02:30:34,280 --> 02:30:38,000
Speaker 2: case you missed it. A bomb show report drafts dropped

2604
02:30:38,360 --> 02:30:42,920
Speaker 2: Saturday night, confirming that the Lakers and their big man

2605
02:30:42,959 --> 02:30:47,640
Speaker 2: Anthony Davis were being traded to Dallas for guard Luka Doncic.

2606
02:30:47,760 --> 02:30:49,720
Speaker 2: No one could believe it. It's a stunner. It's gonna

2607
02:30:49,720 --> 02:30:55,240
Speaker 2: go down as a stunner. It took everybody completely by surprise, executives, fans, media.

2608
02:30:55,920 --> 02:30:59,480
Speaker 2: When it was first posted by Sean Taranty, people saying

2609
02:30:59,800 --> 02:31:01,480
Speaker 2: this has to be a hacked. Then all of a sudden,

2610
02:31:01,480 --> 02:31:09,160
Speaker 2: other reputable news agencies started to validate the report, and

2611
02:31:09,240 --> 02:31:13,680
Speaker 2: here we are. It turned everything upside down. But this

2612
02:31:13,720 --> 02:31:16,840
Speaker 2: is going to be my lasting prevailing thought right now

2613
02:31:18,280 --> 02:31:23,320
Speaker 2: as the as the future approaches and time marches on,

2614
02:31:24,560 --> 02:31:26,560
Speaker 2: what is this going to look like? What is this

2615
02:31:26,640 --> 02:31:30,720
Speaker 2: going to look like to Dallas Mavericks fans lucas the

2616
02:31:30,720 --> 02:31:33,039
Speaker 2: face of their franchise. But you heard me say before

2617
02:31:33,680 --> 02:31:37,160
Speaker 2: the break, he's maybe the most accomplished player in the

2618
02:31:37,160 --> 02:31:39,160
Speaker 2: first five years, someone who has only had five years

2619
02:31:39,160 --> 02:31:42,840
Speaker 2: in the league. He was All NBA all five times

2620
02:31:42,840 --> 02:31:44,840
Speaker 2: three age twenty four. No one's ever done that before,

2621
02:31:45,520 --> 02:31:48,760
Speaker 2: even his new teammate Lebron James, he was only All

2622
02:31:48,840 --> 02:31:51,440
Speaker 2: NBA three times. I say, had Thomas three times, Oscar Roberts,

2623
02:31:51,480 --> 02:31:54,160
Speaker 2: He's are Hall of famers. Tim Duncan did it for, Durant,

2624
02:31:54,200 --> 02:31:57,560
Speaker 2: did it for Luca's done it five and only that.

2625
02:31:57,640 --> 02:32:00,400
Speaker 2: Luca in his young career, has already proved to be

2626
02:32:00,440 --> 02:32:04,400
Speaker 2: an incredible playoff performer. They got to the finals Dallas

2627
02:32:04,400 --> 02:32:09,560
Speaker 2: did last year, losing to Boston. Luca has a thirty

2628
02:32:09,600 --> 02:32:13,440
Speaker 2: one points per game scoring average in the postseason. You know,

2629
02:32:13,600 --> 02:32:15,920
Speaker 2: the only player who has a higher career postseason I

2630
02:32:15,959 --> 02:32:18,320
Speaker 2: know is more games scoring average, A got by the

2631
02:32:18,360 --> 02:32:21,400
Speaker 2: name of Michael Jordan. So Luca's already been the best

2632
02:32:21,400 --> 02:32:23,680
Speaker 2: player at twenty four years old on a finals team

2633
02:32:24,040 --> 02:32:26,800
Speaker 2: and another one that reached the conference finals. And if

2634
02:32:26,840 --> 02:32:30,840
Speaker 2: you recall Game two the Conference finals last year, this

2635
02:32:30,959 --> 02:32:34,200
Speaker 2: was a highlight film. You can see it at highlight

2636
02:32:34,240 --> 02:32:37,440
Speaker 2: reel play. He crossed up Rudy Gobert, then sank a

2637
02:32:37,480 --> 02:32:41,080
Speaker 2: game winning three pointer and screamed, you can see his

2638
02:32:41,160 --> 02:32:44,840
Speaker 2: moth wide open. You can't effing guard me. And this

2639
02:32:44,959 --> 02:32:47,360
Speaker 2: wasn't just anybody. This is Rudy Gobert, a four times

2640
02:32:47,360 --> 02:32:50,280
Speaker 2: Defensive Player of the Year, who's got about you know,

2641
02:32:50,440 --> 02:32:53,480
Speaker 2: seven inches of height on him. Now, not even a

2642
02:32:53,560 --> 02:32:56,960
Speaker 2: year later, after the highlight reel plays, averaging thirty one

2643
02:32:57,000 --> 02:32:59,600
Speaker 2: points a game, getting to the conference finals, playing the

2644
02:32:59,640 --> 02:33:03,840
Speaker 2: game with emotion, He's not perfect. The Dallas Mavericks have

2645
02:33:03,959 --> 02:33:08,560
Speaker 2: said goodbye to Luka Dancik. This is a guy that

2646
02:33:08,640 --> 02:33:13,240
Speaker 2: doesn't grow on trees. I'm telling you, the more you

2647
02:33:13,280 --> 02:33:16,000
Speaker 2: think about this, you're talking about a twenty five year

2648
02:33:16,040 --> 02:33:21,320
Speaker 2: old megastar. The fact that he was available is a

2649
02:33:21,320 --> 02:33:23,040
Speaker 2: head scratcher. I don't know that we're ever going to

2650
02:33:23,160 --> 02:33:26,880
Speaker 2: really know the real reason Dallas did this, why they

2651
02:33:26,959 --> 02:33:30,280
Speaker 2: reached out to the Lakers. You can talk about the

2652
02:33:30,280 --> 02:33:34,160
Speaker 2: concerns on defense. You can talk about the concerns in

2653
02:33:34,320 --> 02:33:39,920
Speaker 2: Luca's constant conditioning issues and the looming possibility of another

2654
02:33:39,959 --> 02:33:44,199
Speaker 2: Super Max contract extension this summer, which the Mavericks weren't

2655
02:33:44,240 --> 02:33:48,760
Speaker 2: too keen on. Right and again GM their general manager,

2656
02:33:48,840 --> 02:33:53,080
Speaker 2: Nico Harrison, said quote, I believe defense wins championships. I

2657
02:33:53,080 --> 02:33:56,720
Speaker 2: believe getting an All defensive center and an All NBA

2658
02:33:56,720 --> 02:33:58,920
Speaker 2: player with a defensive mindset gives us a better chance.

2659
02:33:59,120 --> 02:34:03,000
Speaker 2: We're building win now, we're in the future. But what

2660
02:34:03,040 --> 02:34:06,240
Speaker 2: I don't understand is they already had that with Luca

2661
02:34:07,400 --> 02:34:10,440
Speaker 2: and an hour number two. I started to talk about

2662
02:34:10,480 --> 02:34:13,280
Speaker 2: the grades that NFL pundits or checked that NBA, and

2663
02:34:13,320 --> 02:34:14,720
Speaker 2: I don't say that in the majority of these are

2664
02:34:14,760 --> 02:34:16,520
Speaker 2: people who cover the league. He get are paid to

2665
02:34:16,560 --> 02:34:20,640
Speaker 2: cover the league. This is what they do. Okay, they

2666
02:34:20,680 --> 02:34:22,800
Speaker 2: graded the trade already. They gave the Lakers an a

2667
02:34:23,840 --> 02:34:25,520
Speaker 2: because of what they really didn't have to give up

2668
02:34:25,560 --> 02:34:28,360
Speaker 2: for what they got for Luca and Anthony Davis is

2669
02:34:28,360 --> 02:34:30,600
Speaker 2: thirty two. You didn't get any younger Luca's twenty five,

2670
02:34:31,400 --> 02:34:35,080
Speaker 2: and they gave the Mavericks an f all right, So

2671
02:34:35,480 --> 02:34:38,440
Speaker 2: here's the Mavericks coming off the finals in twenty twenty four,

2672
02:34:39,120 --> 02:34:40,920
Speaker 2: and in the first thirty games of the season, the

2673
02:34:40,959 --> 02:34:44,720
Speaker 2: MAVs were nineteen to ten. Luca got injured on Christmas.

2674
02:34:45,440 --> 02:34:48,600
Speaker 2: But the truth of the matter is when Doncik and

2675
02:34:48,720 --> 02:34:51,879
Speaker 2: Kyrie Irving are on the floor, they really couldn't defend

2676
02:34:51,920 --> 02:34:57,360
Speaker 2: him in terms of possible basketball reasons. And perhaps Niko

2677
02:34:57,440 --> 02:35:03,200
Speaker 2: Harrison was truly worried about Luca's defense and Luca's injuries

2678
02:35:03,240 --> 02:35:06,480
Speaker 2: and conditioning. But now it's maybe coming out that the

2679
02:35:06,520 --> 02:35:09,760
Speaker 2: center that Dallas had Derek Lively the second he had

2680
02:35:09,760 --> 02:35:12,600
Speaker 2: a foot fracture, and now they wanted the second center,

2681
02:35:12,640 --> 02:35:14,720
Speaker 2: and Davis was the best one he could have traded for.

2682
02:35:15,480 --> 02:35:17,600
Speaker 2: Obviously they were going to get Nicole Okik, they weren't

2683
02:35:17,600 --> 02:35:20,520
Speaker 2: going to get Victor Wenbyama. But it's had enough to

2684
02:35:21,280 --> 02:35:28,959
Speaker 2: let a transcended, a transcendent player go the second that

2685
02:35:29,040 --> 02:35:32,160
Speaker 2: Lucas stepped foot in Dallas. He's been making a mark

2686
02:35:32,200 --> 02:35:33,959
Speaker 2: for himself. I guess what I'm trying to say here

2687
02:35:34,080 --> 02:35:40,240
Speaker 2: is I can't remember a player. Well, I can't remember

2688
02:35:40,280 --> 02:35:42,879
Speaker 2: any time when two superstars were traded for each other

2689
02:35:43,840 --> 02:35:45,320
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night, in the middle of

2690
02:35:45,360 --> 02:35:51,520
Speaker 2: the season, just before the trade deadline. And now we wait.

2691
02:35:51,840 --> 02:35:54,120
Speaker 2: Now we wait to see what is the impact of this.

2692
02:35:54,959 --> 02:35:58,120
Speaker 2: It was so unexpected. You know, when gms trade a player,

2693
02:35:58,560 --> 02:36:01,240
Speaker 2: they'll often say, we're going to get back value and

2694
02:36:01,280 --> 02:36:04,360
Speaker 2: the player we're trading, we believe we can get equal

2695
02:36:04,480 --> 02:36:07,360
Speaker 2: or better value. And the player we're trading, his time

2696
02:36:07,440 --> 02:36:09,920
Speaker 2: is done here. But I had a you know, a

2697
02:36:09,959 --> 02:36:12,080
Speaker 2: baseball general manager tell them many years ago, when you

2698
02:36:12,120 --> 02:36:13,760
Speaker 2: trade a player, the one thing you ask yourself is

2699
02:36:13,800 --> 02:36:15,920
Speaker 2: you may say, Okay, I don't know that we need

2700
02:36:15,920 --> 02:36:18,520
Speaker 2: this guy anymore, but do we want to have to

2701
02:36:18,520 --> 02:36:22,920
Speaker 2: play against him? So now Luka Doncik becomes the latest

2702
02:36:22,920 --> 02:36:26,080
Speaker 2: in a long line of Laker iconic stars who get

2703
02:36:26,080 --> 02:36:28,920
Speaker 2: the glitz and glamour. They go to Los Angeles, they

2704
02:36:28,920 --> 02:36:32,520
Speaker 2: go to Hollywood, and this may be one of those situations,

2705
02:36:32,520 --> 02:36:35,640
Speaker 2: like we talked about with Mark Medina, as the Lakers

2706
02:36:35,640 --> 02:36:38,879
Speaker 2: are a team of eras, they're a franchise defined by

2707
02:36:38,920 --> 02:36:47,000
Speaker 2: their ras right, Wilt Baylor, West, Kareem Magic, Kobe Shack,

2708
02:36:47,120 --> 02:36:51,400
Speaker 2: Mel Lebron and yes, the Lakers are getting, you know,

2709
02:36:51,520 --> 02:36:56,320
Speaker 2: losing essentially a top ten player to facilitate the trade. Well,

2710
02:36:56,520 --> 02:36:59,360
Speaker 2: you know, and by the way, it's they've had the

2711
02:36:59,400 --> 02:37:01,879
Speaker 2: blockbuster trade they five years ago when they got Anthony

2712
02:37:01,959 --> 02:37:05,720
Speaker 2: Davis that actually helped them get to a title, even

2713
02:37:05,760 --> 02:37:08,560
Speaker 2: though it was a title in the bubble. The truth

2714
02:37:08,600 --> 02:37:11,240
Speaker 2: of the matter is the magnitude of this is like

2715
02:37:11,320 --> 02:37:13,080
Speaker 2: you throw a pebble in the water and you watch

2716
02:37:13,120 --> 02:37:16,640
Speaker 2: the ripples. Lucas proved he's a special player, and the

2717
02:37:16,720 --> 02:37:20,440
Speaker 2: Lakers somehow managed to pull this off by surrounding only

2718
02:37:20,520 --> 02:37:23,200
Speaker 2: a single first round pick in the deal, meaning they

2719
02:37:23,200 --> 02:37:26,000
Speaker 2: still have their twenty thirty one first deal before the

2720
02:37:26,040 --> 02:37:28,199
Speaker 2: trade deadline, even if they want to try to upgrade

2721
02:37:28,240 --> 02:37:32,360
Speaker 2: their roster one more tame time between now and Thursday. Okay,

2722
02:37:33,040 --> 02:37:36,360
Speaker 2: So if you'd have told us twenty four hours ago,

2723
02:37:37,080 --> 02:37:39,840
Speaker 2: welcome to the Luca and Lebron show this Saturday at

2724
02:37:39,879 --> 02:37:44,720
Speaker 2: one o'clock against Indiana. People say, what have you been smoking? Look,

2725
02:37:45,760 --> 02:37:49,920
Speaker 2: the bottom line is this sports are the greatest reality

2726
02:37:49,959 --> 02:37:52,560
Speaker 2: show and you can script everything, but the ending now,

2727
02:37:52,560 --> 02:37:55,039
Speaker 2: they're just starting to write the script. What will be

2728
02:37:55,040 --> 02:37:57,480
Speaker 2: the ending? What will be the inding in Dallas? What

2729
02:37:57,560 --> 02:38:00,720
Speaker 2: will be the ending in Los Angeles? You're gonna have

2730
02:38:00,760 --> 02:38:03,680
Speaker 2: Luca to kick around. I'd think another ten years. And

2731
02:38:03,959 --> 02:38:06,160
Speaker 2: as far as the eras go, every one of those

2732
02:38:06,160 --> 02:38:08,640
Speaker 2: eras I mentioned those players won championships. We'll see if

2733
02:38:08,680 --> 02:38:10,720
Speaker 2: Luke can do the same thing. It's gonna do it

2734
02:38:10,800 --> 02:38:12,680
Speaker 2: for the Bernie Fridle Show. Keep it locked up next

2735
02:38:12,720 --> 02:38:14,920
Speaker 2: to the great Andy Furman, a Foxforts Radio