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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 2: What's your name?

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Speaker 1: I'm Rory. Nice to talk to you, man. This is

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Speaker 2: It's nice to talk to you too. Man. Have we

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Speaker 1: No? This is my first time kick.

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Speaker 2: Ass rock and roll? Who are you, Rory?

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Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a little dude. I'm a little I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I'm a man. This is so crazy. I

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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I'm a guy. I own a lizard.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to a show later. Do you know who

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Speaker 1: mount Eerie is?

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Speaker 2: Mount Erie?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like really weird like sad music and I'm

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Speaker 2: What what is it about mount Erie that appeals to you?

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Speaker 2: What is it about the sad music that appeals to you?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like just so intense m hm

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Speaker 1: I don't know, and I've never seen him live and

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Speaker 2: Do you find that listening to sad depressing music makes

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Speaker 1: I really, man, I can talk about this for like ever,

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Speaker 1: but I really I don't know. It's kind of it

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Speaker 1: kind of just depends. Like I'm a fan of like

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Speaker 1: of music that's just like orderline unlistenable because it's just

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Speaker 1: music is just a thing that like there's so much

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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, sure.

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Speaker 1: That's totally just like a normal thing anybody can get

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Speaker 1: like if it's done right, it's like and it connects

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Speaker 1: Like I love a lot of angry music and also

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Speaker 1: and at the I was working this show the other

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Speaker 1: night with like some like I don't know, there wasn't

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Speaker 1: really like punk bands. I guess they're like hard rock bands.

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Speaker 1: But I was playing like for the house music between

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Speaker 1: it was like dawn, I had to put on Demiroquai.

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Speaker 1: And sometimes I'll put on just like just like amazing

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Speaker 2: But what what is you said, Demiroquai? What is that?

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Speaker 1: You know the scene at the end of Napoleon Dynamite

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Speaker 1: It's like that. It's like that's that's the guy that

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Speaker 2: Boy in New York, which is what you know. Here's

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Speaker 1: Know, But like not all the time? Do I want

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Speaker 1: He had a band called Heat miser okay, and then

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Speaker 2: Did he he didn't see he's not in the cure?

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Speaker 2: Is that a different person?

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Speaker 1: No, that's Robert Smith.

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Speaker 1: You know, I used to be like just miserable all

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Speaker 2: Why are you not miserable every day anymore?

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Speaker 1: I had lots of like outside pressures on me for

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I just had this Like I meant this or

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Speaker 1: For like the we did some like cognitive behavioral therapy

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Speaker 2: So what what's up with you?

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00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 3: What do you? What do you?

434
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 2: What's up with your cousins?

435
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: Oh? Nothing? Not like.

436
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 2: Are they just like normies, like they have like a

437
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 2: fucking job in an office or something.

438
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: Not like my cousins in particular, but just like you know,

439
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: when you go to like a family function and like

440
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: you start talking about your job or whatever, and they're like, wow,

441
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: you can make money doing that. That's crazy, and it's like, yeah,

442
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: it's that is you know what I mean?

443
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: Or oh yeah, yeah, yeah, well that yeah. That's all

444
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: you need sometimes is like you talk to somebody and

445
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 2: then you're like, oh, yeah, all you need is like

446
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: a little bit of perspective and it kind of shocks

447
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 2: you back into your Yeah no, no, a little bit of

448
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: perspective will shock you right back into your fucking A

449
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 2: little bit of perspective will make you cling to your

450
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: goddamn life. A little bit, A little bit of perspective

451
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 2: will make you go, why the fuck would I kill myself?

452
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 2: Oh my god? What what you I would? Why would

453
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 2: I give this up? This is great? Holy shit?

454
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, fucking crazy when that happens, you know, it's.

455
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: Just like it is, It's like it's like getting hit

456
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 2: by lightning or something.

457
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: I was, Uh. I was at a uh this like

458
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 1: parade that we have where I live, and they have

459
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: a uh there's always like a New Orleans style marching

460
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: band up at like the front of it. And my

461
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: girlfriend's little cousin she's four, was like we're all hanging

462
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: out and walking with her because like all the people

463
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 1: that get in the parade and we like walk in

464
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: the parade, and she was like dancing next to the tuba,

465
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: the lady playing the tuba, and I just like I

466
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 1: started like peering up. I was like, that's just so beautiful,

467
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: Like this little tiny thing is like this is a

468
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: beautiful moment. I don't know, and you know what, I

469
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: think that's what has kind of made me feel a

470
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: lot better, is like you just appreciate those things and

471
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: you appreciate like big fucking clouds or a cool Today

472
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: I saw a van parked and the dog was in

473
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: the driver's seat and I took a picture of it.

474
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: It's like funny as fuck.

475
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, because it looks like the dog is

476
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: driving the car.

477
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, exactly, and it wasn't. That's why it's funny.

478
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 2: And it wasn't. But if the dog was actually driving

479
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 2: the car, that wouldn't be that funny because he'd probably

480
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 2: kill a bunch of people.

481
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: Uh. One Another cool thing I've been trying to do, though,

482
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: is make curry and I'm like getting better at it,

483
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: but I'm still not very good at it. And uh,

484
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's like a chill thing. That's you

485
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: gotta take something to do, you know, I don't know. Wait,

486
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: I want to ask you something though. When you go

487
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: on tour, what what is that like? Do you get

488
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: a lot of time to like experience the place as

489
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: you go or no?

490
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: I like the way you said, Uh, you said tour

491
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: just now.

492
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: I do sometimes, Yeah, I do tour instead of tours

493
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: that what.

494
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 2: Where are you from?

495
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: What you're saying?

496
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, where are you from?

497
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: I'm from. I lived in I live in a place

498
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: called ham Tranmic. It's in Detroit. Okay, It's like I

499
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: live in Detroit.

500
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: Basically yeah, because I heard that that was kind of

501
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: like a Delco or like a Philly accent a little bit.

502
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people in Philly who talk

503
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 2: like that. But uh uh yeah, it depends, man. I

504
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 2: mean when I was on sometimes sometimes I got a

505
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: lot of time, but other times I didn't have as

506
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: much time. Uh. I mean, yeah, it was cool. I like, well,

507
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 2: I liked I like traveling, I like doing stuff. I'm

508
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: I'm always kind of on a back and forth between like, oh,

509
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: you know, you want to be stable so you can

510
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 2: build relationships and community and and then you know you

511
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 2: want to travel so that you can like, you know,

512
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 2: be crazy and life is a movie and whatnot. But

513
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, yeah I think, uh yeah, I

514
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: got to see a lot of places. I feel really great.

515
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 2: I'm really grateful. I got to see a bunch of shit.

516
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: I mean people will talk about like, uh, I know,

517
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: people will like bring up a place and I'd be like, yeah,

518
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: I think I've been to Denver like five fucking times

519
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: at this point, and like, uh, it's cool, it's great.

520
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: If you've never done it, union you should go see shit.

521
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: You know, if you're listening to this and you're like,

522
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: you know, twenty, you should be going. You should be

523
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 2: in a different place and where you are right now

524
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: tomorrow if you can.

525
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: If if I was fucking twenty right now and I

526
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: have had have the knowledge that I have right now,

527
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: I would totally go do some shit like that. Yeah,

528
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: everybody can say that at any point in their life

529
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: and whatever. But yeah, if you're twenty listening to this

530
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: right now, you should, and you want to go do

531
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: something somewhere else, you should. You should go to the.

532
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: Fucking bro go to the Canary Eye Islands and hang

533
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: out with that cave guy.

534
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: Oh dude, I saw that. I was like thinking that,

535
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: like it wasn't like an actual like cave cave. Like

536
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: I was thinking, like maybe they were like retrofitted, they

537
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: have people in there or something.

538
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 3: You see it.

539
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: I posted it. I posted on Instagram because he he

540
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: dm y my cave. He fucking lives in a cave, Dude,

541
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: I might. I don't. I don't want to bring this

542
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: up on the podcast. Well, I mean I'm going to.

543
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm saying. I'm an idiot, but uh,

544
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 2: in the back of my head, I'm like, should I

545
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: go to the fucking Canary Islands and film something with

546
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: this guy. I don't maybe I will. I don't want

547
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: to commit to that right now, but it's in the

548
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: back of my head. I'm posting. I'm posting like a

549
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: little clip of it tomorrow. But you know that cave

550
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: I saw of that cave guy, and I was like, God,

551
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: he made an Instagram and people, and I think I

552
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: got a d M from somebody who was like, yo,

553
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: I d M the cave guy, And now me and

554
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: him are talking. So I think I think he's made.

555
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: I think he's about to like start a commune off

556
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: this fucking podcast episode, or at least start like a

557
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: cave guy thing. I don't know, power to him. I

558
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 2: think that's I think he's doing a really cool fucking thing.

559
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: Absolutely, man, I don't remember what his name was, but

560
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: I was listening to that. I listened to that episode

561
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,719
Speaker 1: and that was just like super inspiring. I don't know,

562
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: it's just fucking like crazy, that's amazing. I don't know

563
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: if I necessarily want to live in a cave.

564
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: But like, I don't know if I necessarily want to

565
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: live in a cave either, but he uh, I think

566
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: that guy will have a cool. Well, I mean, he

567
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: already has a cool life. He lives in a he's

568
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: like the way he described it, he's like living the

569
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: way that you know humans fucking lived, uh, you know,

570
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: in tribes or whatever, you know, just hanging out. Yeah,

571
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 2: very very paleolithic. I'm pretending like I know what that

572
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: word when you said, when you said it's very paleolithic,

573
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: I had in my mind an educated guess of what

574
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: you were trying to say. So maybe I do know

575
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: what paleolithic means vaguely if you asked me to, just

576
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: if you dive further into that, I couldn't define paleolithic.

577
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 2: But I have in my head what you what I

578
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: think you mean when you say that, And I think

579
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: that's right.

580
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: But I think, uh, I think I was using that

581
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: word right.

582
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 2: But it's like I think you were too. Who care?

583
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 2: You were? Who cares?

584
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: So don't look at up.

585
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah cave shit. Yeah, well we're talking about the cave guys,

586
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: this cave ship.

587
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 3: There we go.

588
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: He's living, he's living a cave life. He lives in

589
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: a cave rory. Yes, wile I've enjoyed talking to you,

590
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm this is a weird this podcast

591
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: I don't know what this podcast started as. This started as,

592
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: but it's now become it's become therapy for I mean,

593
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: it's always been therapy for me. I don't know what. Yeah,

594
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 2: you know what. Thanks for talking to me about this

595
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: stuff because I'm I feel a lot of what you're

596
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: talking about. And don't kill yourself. I'm not gonna kill myself.

597
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: I'm not. We're not. Yeah, we're gonna be fine. No

598
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: one's gonna kill themselves. Everything's gonna be fine. No one's

599
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:29,959
Speaker 2: gonna yet. No, we're all gonna be fine. Rory, and

600
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: we're all gonna be fine. That's why I'm taking away

601
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 2: from this. I feel like we're I feel like we're

602
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 2: talking this conversation. I feel like you and I are

603
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: like on the like we both can't sleep at a

604
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: sleepover kind of a conversation and we're talking on the

605
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 2: fucking we're talking on our friends, Like, uh, what's not addict?

606
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: Why am I thinking? Porch? Yeah, we're talking about porch.

607
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: It's a very porch conversation.

608
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good one. It's good. Oh go ahead,

609
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: Oh is there anything else I want to say?

610
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all I was gonna say.

611
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like there's I've like, I've like, I

612
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: feel like I've practiced this moment and now like I

613
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: can't remember any of that ship that I wanted to.

614
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 2: Say, don't you don't practice there is? What do you

615
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: feel right? What's in your pops into your head?

616
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: Definitely? Definitely everything gets better. It sucks though, you gotta

617
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: work really hard, but it's totally fucking worth it to

618
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: make change in your life that's positive. And yeah, uh

619
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 1: also start a fucking band and listen to Slayer. That's uh, yeah,

620
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: that's it.

621
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 2: Rory for ten thousand years. Thank you for calling, sir.

622
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: I'll I'll see you around the universe.

623
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: Yank for one hundred thousand years. Love you by, don't

624
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: kill yourself you either, love you bye.

625
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 2: I love you too, Rory. Goddamn fuck shit, fuck, We're

626
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: all gonna be okay. Everything's gonna be fine. That was

627
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: a good call. That was a good call. Hey, what's up?

628
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 3: What's up? Oh my gosh, hey buddy, how's it going.

629
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: It's going good man. What's your name?

630
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 3: My name is nick? Uh, your name is Lyle?

631
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: Right, my name is Lyle. Have we spoken before?

632
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: Yick?

633
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 3: No, No, I've been a long time listener.

634
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 2: Though, cool cool man, Um, yeah, how's your how's your

635
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 2: name going?

636
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 3: It's going pretty good. I'm well currently studying for exam,

637
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 3: but I needed a break anyway. So yeah, I'm a

638
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 3: twenty two year old college student.

639
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: So busy is.

640
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 3: A little busy bee?

641
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,959
Speaker 2: What do you what's the exam? What are you being

642
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,439
Speaker 2: examined to do?

643
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 3: It's on cancer perspective, So yeah, I'm learning about cancer

644
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 3: right now. I'm I'm aspiring radiation therapist.

645
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 2: Whoa, that's uh, that fucking is awesome. That's such a

646
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 2: real job. Why do I keep saying that I do?

647
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 2: Is I keep saying that all the time. I think

648
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 2: I say that all the time because I'm a talking Internet.

649
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 3: Get go, And I think that's a real job too.

650
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 3: That's for sure, a real job.

651
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: That's debatable, but I mean it's yeah, sure, sure it produces.

652
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 2: I pay taxes. I think if you pay, you have

653
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 2: a real job. I think if you pay, yeah, sure.

654
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 3: If you're paying taxes, you're contributing to society.

655
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: Though.

656
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 2: You know, I'll accept that. I'll accept that as just.

657
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: And you help out from what I listened to, you

658
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 3: help out a lot of people, and that that concert

659
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: or something.

660
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 2: Well, thanks, man. I mean I'm not curing cancer, but

661
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 2: you know, I'm trying my best. Yeah, so what's either

662
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 2: tell me? I mean, tell me more about cancer. Sounds bad?

663
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, cancer is horrible, man. I shadowed a couple of places,

664
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 3: and there's like some some cases are like not too bad,

665
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 3: like people catch it early, and then some cases are like,

666
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, like I don't even want to talk

667
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 3: about some some stuff. But you know, it's a reality

668
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 3: of this world, which is uh something I don't know, but.

669
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 2: I'm fucking randomly catching cancer and dying.

670
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 3: Well it's not even like a lot of cancer has

671
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 3: to do with like something that happens over times, but

672
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 3: it can also be like a genetic thing, like some

673
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 3: people are just born with like leukemia, which is like, oh,

674
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 3: it's so bad. But you know, there's a lot of

675
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 3: like the way that like technology is going, there's a

676
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 3: big like there's such a huge reduction and death of cancer,

677
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 3: and like the fight against cancer is real. You know,

678
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 3: one day I'm sure that, yeah, one day I'm sure

679
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 3: that like there will be a cure and I'm hopeful

680
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 3: for that and I want to contribute to that.

681
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 2: So pretty good, Pretty good? Yeah, yeah, let's you know what,

682
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 2: I think this is good. I think fighting cancer is

683
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 2: good and cancer is bad. I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

684
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 2: what's yeah? Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead,

685
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 2: go ahead.

686
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 3: What was your question?

687
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask what your life was like outside

688
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: of cancer?

689
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well right now, I'm working a job to

690
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 3: pay the bills. I'm living with my girlfriend, and yeah,

691
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 3: it's it's life, you know. Like I'm at that age,

692
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 3: like twenty two where you gotta gotta pick pick up

693
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 3: on your responsibilities and like stay ahead on things. And

694
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 3: I'm I'm working on myself as a human being, like

695
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 3: I I've been. I started journaling. I at least journal

696
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 3: a couple of times a week, and it's helped me

697
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 3: because it kind of like feeds me or like it

698
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 3: sees me into reality sometimes, you know, like you get

699
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 3: so caught up in your head and like, uh, when

700
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 3: I journal, it's like I think it's like peak human

701
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 3: experience sometimes because like if you think about it, like

702
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 3: every creature in this universe doesn't have hands or thumbs

703
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 3: to write down their thoughts or even like realize that

704
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 3: their thoughts are real, you know, So I think it

705
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 3: helps me out a lot journaling.

706
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: Whoa, Yeah, it's true, Like a fucking dog can't journal,

707
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 2: So journaling it's one of the most human things you

708
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: could do. I mean, I guess, yeah, I guess I

709
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: guess you could say the same. I guess you could.

710
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: I guess you could apply that daddy. I guess you

711
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 2: could say, open it. You could apply that logic to

712
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: most things. You could say that, like opening a jar

713
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: of pickles is the most human thing you could do,

714
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: but it is. It's a very human thing to open

715
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: a jar of pickles.

716
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, like even cave like if you think about it, caveman,

717
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 3: or like big journals, like they're they're like right in

718
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 3: mammoths on the walls and like they don't have a language,

719
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 3: but they still like get it down, you know they do.

720
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 2: What would you journal about today?

721
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 3: Today? I haven't gotten a journal. I had a physics

722
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 3: course that I went to and uh, it was kind

723
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 3: of brain boggling and just been super busy. I woke

724
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 3: up this morning after like I worked the whole weekend.

725
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 3: I'm an Amazon delivery driver, and I listened to your

726
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 3: podcast a lot on like the road is really really

727
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 3: really relaxing, and it gets my the nice thing about

728
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 3: podcast is like you can be doing anything and listen

729
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 3: to it and just forget that you're working or have

730
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 3: some situation. So are grateful to you and.

731
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:19,280
Speaker 2: That, Oh thanks man, thanks man, your So you're working?

732
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 2: How many hours a week? Or are you working? You're working?

733
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: Angle in to school? Man?

734
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: How long?

735
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 2: How you really are fucking you know? I have a

736
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 2: lot of responsibilities. How often are you working?

737
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 3: Typically it's one time or what just on like Sundays.

738
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 3: But I picked up a shift this weekend because I

739
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 3: called out sick last weekend. I'm like, oh, I need

740
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 3: to make up somehow, make up some money somehow, So

741
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 3: I picked up a shift on Saturday. So I'm working

742
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 3: approximately like ten to twenty hours a week.

743
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: And then how often are you in school and stuff

744
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 2: being and ship? Uh?

745
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 3: I have to be in class for I have two

746
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 3: in persons and one online. So like, I'm a transfer

747
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 3: student this year and I am. I got like a

748
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 3: lot of my prerecs out of the way and all

749
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 3: the things. So it's kind of a lighter courseload, which

750
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 3: is why I can work more. So but soon I'm

751
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 3: gonna I'm so excited I'm going to be transitioning to

752
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 3: like a hospital, to actually get some real like healthcare

753
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 3: work and a hospital setting. So I'm super excited for

754
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 3: that because like Amazon is fun. But okay, I wouldn't

755
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 3: say it's.

756
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 2: Fun, but I was about to say. I was about

757
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 2: to say, I've never heard someone who drives for Amazon,

758
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 2: uh saite describe it as uh particularly fun.

759
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 3: No, it's it's not fun, but like it's actually pretty

760
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 3: pretty sweet gig if you think about it. Because you're

761
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 3: like on the road and if you're in a vehicle

762
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 3: that's not like video recording you at twenty four to seven, Like,

763
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 3: so you don't get dinged for distracted driving. You can

764
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 3: like jam out some to some tunes, or you can

765
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 3: like you stay active. You're like walking up and down.

766
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 3: I like to be active, so like it keeps me

767
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 3: on my feet. And if I didn't have bunions, I

768
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 3: wouldn't be so upset about it. But you know, sing

769
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 3: bunions suck. I hope you never get them.

770
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 2: What I have multiple questions. There are cam you have

771
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,959
Speaker 2: cameras that record you while you drive.

772
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they got Like there's just so if you're

773
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 3: passing an Amazon driver, do not cut in front of

774
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 3: them because they're gonna get in trouble because like you

775
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 3: can get dinged for like just weird things like if

776
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 3: someone cuts off cuts you off, like you get dinged

777
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 3: and it gets sent to your boss and then you

778
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 3: have to talk to you. If you speed, you get dinged.

779
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 3: Or if you're eating or looking at your phone, will

780
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 3: drive and you get dinged. So it's kind of an

781
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 3: advanced system. Like I get why it's in place to

782
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 3: like protect and everything, but I can make things difficult sometimes.

783
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 2: What are bunyans bunions?

784
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: It's like when bunyons it's more of a recent development.

785
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 3: I've always had feet issues, but a bunion is like

786
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 3: you know that ball of your foot next to your

787
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 3: big toe, the ball the big toe kind of like

788
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 3: juts out a bit.

789
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 2: Like oh yeah yeah.

790
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 3: Inward that like when that grows out too much, it

791
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 3: starts hurting, you know, like it's like a joint pain almost,

792
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 3: but it I think it's not. It's only has to

793
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 3: do with like when I wear shoes without like arch support,

794
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 3: which is kind of hard to find these days. But yeah,

795
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 3: bunyon it it hurts when I walk, but it's manageable.

796
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 3: You know. Some people have to get surgery, like to

797
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 3: fix that stuff. Like I a foot surgeon came into

798
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 3: my class one year since for like a healthcare class.

799
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 3: A foot surgeon just like went over like a presentation

800
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 3: about like different feet surgeries and stuff.

801
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 2: So well, I tell me about your girlfriend, how do

802
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 2: you meet her?

803
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 3: Oh? So it's kind of funny that like the last

804
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 3: lady uh talked about Tinder and I actually found my

805
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 3: girlfriend on Tinder too. We went to the same college

806
00:48:55,600 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 3: and we are back when before I transferred. We went

807
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 3: to the same college and I was sitting I remember

808
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,360
Speaker 3: this moment so clearly. I was like I was sitting

809
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 3: in like have you ever heard of Einstein Bagels?

810
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:13,919
Speaker 1: Uh?

811
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know where that is.

812
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a bagel shop. And I was eating

813
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 3: a chocolate chip bagel with honey almond Oh what honey

814
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 3: almond cream cheese spread. And I got a ding like

815
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 3: I matched with someone on Tinder. Because this was like

816
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 3: at the very beginning of my tender expedition. I guess

817
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 3: like given him a shot and I matched with this

818
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 3: super cute lady and I'm like I text my friend like,

819
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 3: oh dude, I got I go to match bro, and

820
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 3: he's like, oh, go go take shoot your shot, you know,

821
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 3: And I did, and.

822
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 2: I met her.

823
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 3: It was during finals week and I went to the

824
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 3: library to study with her, and then she uh took

825
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 3: she like showed me her apartment and she played the

826
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 3: guitar for me, and we just it was a very

827
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 3: nice date. And we just kept seeing each other and

828
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 3: it grew and it blossomed into something really nice. We've

829
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 3: been together for like two years now.

830
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 2: So, man, you got you got a nice fucking life. Brother,

831
00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: you got a nice I like you. Man, what's your

832
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 2: name again?

833
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 3: My name is Nick or Nico. Nico's my Spanish name.

834
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 2: Nico. You're you're you're a fucking outstanding citizen.

835
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:39,959
Speaker 3: Nico, You're outstanding.

836
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 2: Hold On, hold on, hold on. I don't know why

837
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 2: I'm I'm like, I'm filled with It's gonna sound insane,

838
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 2: but I'm feeling I'm filled with I'm filled with joy

839
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 2: for you right now. Nico, You're just a real just

840
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 2: a real hold on, let me say this real quick.

841
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: You're a real part. You have a a nice girlfriend,

842
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:03,840
Speaker 2: you live in a play, you deliver packages, you're solving cancer,

843
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 2: you're twenty two, You're just I don't know, you're a

844
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 2: real if I could send a human being to be like,

845
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: this is what, this is a this is a guy,

846
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 2: This is a person. This is a twenty two year

847
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 2: old human male living in society in twenty twenty five this,

848
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 2: and we send them to aliens or a histographer. You're

849
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 2: a guy. You're a just a real fucking American, fucking

850
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,919
Speaker 2: real guy. And I'm not I hope I don't sound

851
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 2: like I'm being facetious right now. I hope I'm accurately expressing.

852
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 2: I believe just the feeling that I have for you

853
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 2: listening to you in your life. And I'm not blowing

854
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 2: smoke up your ass. I know it sounds like I am,

855
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 2: but I'm I just in my gut, I'm like, you're

856
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 2: you're a fucking You're a good guy, Nico. I don't

857
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 2: know you that well, but you're a good guy.

858
00:51:55,560 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 3: I I uh So. The thing about being a good

859
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 3: person I feel is like it's it's not basically you're

860
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 3: you're born. It's not that you're just born a good person, right,

861
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,320
Speaker 3: Like of course everyone's born with a personality, but I've

862
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 3: honestly just been super blessed with like the way I

863
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 3: was raised, Like my parents are like I was raising

864
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 3: a small village. I got to play outside with the neighbors,

865
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 3: like I have like a somewhat normal childhood, like I

866
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 3: I it's not just like I try to think of

867
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 3: it as like if anyone was born in my shoes,

868
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 3: they'd probably turn out just as well. It's not better

869
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 3: than me, and I try and keep that perspective when

870
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 3: like that are bad in people, Like everyone has potential

871
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 3: to be a good person. But I think I've just

872
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 3: kind of got got really I hit the jackpot with

873
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 3: my like family and friends in life. So it's it.

874
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 3: I don't know, like you're You're a good guy in

875
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 3: my eyes, and I try to like few people like

876
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 3: with optimism, I guess because I I've also come to

877
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 3: like a conclusion with like since I was raised with

878
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 3: like so much love and joy, I need to, like

879
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 3: it's my duty, as like a person who is blessed

880
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 3: with something like that to like try and continue this

881
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:45,839
Speaker 3: path and continue dot that energy. You know, I want

882
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 3: to I want to continue that to.

883
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 2: Get I want to I want to kill such a

884
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 2: good guy. I just want to kill you. I don't

885
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 2: know why I said that, but that's how you're such

886
00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 2: a good guy.

887
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 3: I want to strangle I'll learn some self defense and

888
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 3: I'll strangle you back that I do want to learn

889
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 3: some boxing. That would be awesome.

890
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. It's funny. I mean, yeah, that whole yeah,

891
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 2: the whole thing of like, uh yeah, there's no yeah,

892
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 2: of course, anyone who was born anyone who's was born

893
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 2: from your mother's vagina would have been you. Not you specifically,

894
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 2: but whoever you are, so you know, yeah, I don't know.

895
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 2: There's no real reason why anyone is anyone, but it's

896
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 2: it's true. But anyway, what I don't know, I don't

897
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 2: want to you're I don't funk that. I hate that.

898
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 2: Existential rants I mean, I hate it right now, but I.

899
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 3: Think existentialism is pretty cool to think about.

900
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 2: I want to kill you, nko.

901
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 3: It is.

902
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 2: It's cool to think about. But you don't want to.

903
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 2: You don't want to get You don't want to be

904
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 2: too existential. You want to like the like the last

905
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 2: guy said where he was I think I caught on

906
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 2: to but the last guy was saying, I don't know

907
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,799
Speaker 2: if I specifically did, but where It's like life is

908
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 2: a series of going to the store and forgetting you

909
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 2: got that you're supposed to get bananas, like that's you

910
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 2: want to you want like existential thought. I think in

911
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 2: a healthy human being should consume a small portion of

912
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 2: the pie chart, and you should mainly be thinking about

913
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 2: like the real the life that you're I mean, you live,

914
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 2: you don't. Your life, from what you've told me, is

915
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 2: like you know, driving for Amazon, being with your girlfriend,

916
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 2: doing being in like you know, radiation therapy is like

917
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 2: you're living. You're living in your life a lot. You're

918
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: not spending all day in crazy existential thoughts. Existential Maybe

919
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 2: you are. I don't know, you're right. I shouldn't have.

920
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have you know you're right. Driving for Amazon,

921
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 2: probably it does give you a lot of time to

922
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 2: think about the meaning of life and ship. I should

923
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 2: What are you thinking about when you're in these existential thoughts.

924
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 3: Especially, like like you said, like when you're in Amazon,

925
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 3: driving in silent all to day, you do sometimes have

926
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 3: to think, like I'm I'm in a very joyous mood too,

927
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 3: because I'm talking to you right now. So like I've

928
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 3: been listening to you for a long time. I've been

929
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 3: really trying to get on the podcast eventually so that

930
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 3: that might be why you're thinking, I'm such a joyous dude.

931
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 3: But when I'm on like on our ten of my

932
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 3: Amazon shift and I'm like grumpy, I haven't gotten to

933
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 3: eat anything, I'm like sometimes it just brings out like

934
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 3: the existential thing that you talk about, and it takes

935
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 3: me to Like when I think about existential, I think

936
00:56:55,320 --> 00:57:01,959
Speaker 3: about like like I think about like there's a list

937
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 3: of things like God, the past, the future, and like

938
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 3: spiritualism or like physics or like virtual reality simulation, like

939
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 3: have you heard of the double split or double slit experiment,

940
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 3: or like Schrodinger's cat.

941
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, I know what Schrodinger's cat.

942
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 4: Is like.

943
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 3: Since I'm kind of a physics thueve, I like to

944
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 3: look into the stuff like that and and I'll listen

945
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 3: to like podcasts on that and it just takes me

946
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 3: so out of it. But I don't know. Existential is

947
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 3: like it's a unique human experience in my opinion, like

948
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 3: most most animals live off of like instinct or like, oh,

949
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 3: I need to pro create because that's what life is,

950
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:09,959
Speaker 3: like growth and going forward. But as assuming you get

951
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 3: some more advanced like oh God, or like spiritualism, Like

952
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 3: I think that is such a unique thing for us.

953
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 2: But I could be wrong.

954
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 3: Maybe dolphins think about that.

955
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 2: I think I'm kind of swimming.

956
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 3: I'm kind of all over the place, like I didn't

957
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 3: think when I talk to people, I just jump around

958
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 3: to random things.

959
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 2: Nico you I really you have. You never need to

960
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 2: apologize for anything ever for the rest of your life.

961
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 2: You're a great human Yes, I do a great human being,

962
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 2: Nicole was It was good talking to me. Man, is

963
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 2: is there any Is there anything else you want to

964
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 2: say to the people of the computer before we go?

965
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 4: I don't know.

966
00:58:54,400 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 3: Maybe just try and have perspective. Like I'm not telling

967
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,200
Speaker 3: anyone what to do, but like like I said, like

968
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 3: if you were if anyone was born in the shoes,

969
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 3: if someone pissed you off that day and you were

970
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 3: born in their shoes, you would probably puts yourself off

971
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 3: to you know, Like we're trying to have some perspective.

972
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're all. We're all. We're all probably

973
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 2: each other. I think.

974
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 3: We're all. We're all one being. If you think about it.

975
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 2: We all drive for Amazon.

976
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 3: We all feel we all drive for Amazon and to

977
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 3: be the slave of a capitalistic society that we did

978
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 3: not choose to be born into so like imagine being

979
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 3: born as a someone in Africa, just like living in

980
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 3: a tribe, and or like.

981
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 2: Sorry, go ahead and go ahead ahead.

982
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 3: No, I'm just kind of rambling because I was talking

983
00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 3: to you.

984
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 2: I was going to say, I was going to say,

985
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 2: when you started this call talking about cancer, I was like,

986
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 2: I don't think this can get any more depressing. I'm

987
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 2: glad that we start both started and ended on a

988
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 2: depressing note. Yeah, but I still think you're still I

989
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 2: still fucking think you're the greatest human being that I

990
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 2: have ever encountered. And I might not be being facetious about.

991
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 3: That, No I'm not. I've heard splin like that cave dude.

992
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 2: Wait, we can't all be the cave dude. We can't

993
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 2: all be.

994
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: The gave dude.

995
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 3: I just keep bringing up the cave dude.

996
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,439
Speaker 2: Every every call. I'll talk to you later, Nico.

997
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 3: Thank you, Yeah, thank you.

998
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 2: I have a good one. Bye.

999
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 3: Hello, Oh my god, Hello.

1000
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 2: Lyle, what's up? How's life?

1001
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 4: Oh my god? No, this is actually like kind of crazy.

1002
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 4: I've cooled so many times over the last few weeks

1003
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 4: because I'll started like, I've known about you for years now,

1004
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 4: but when I met my boyfriend recently. He was like,

1005
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 4: we drove down to like the south of England and

1006
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 4: he was like, let's let's put something on the card.

1007
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 4: I really want to listen to music. Let's like listen

1008
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 4: to this therapy Gecko And I was like, oh, I've

1009
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 4: heard of him. He's like yeah, I listened to him

1010
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 4: while I'm welding and doing my work and I was like,

1011
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 4: oh cool. And I've just been like listening to you

1012
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 4: every day for the last like four months now. It's

1013
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 4: so I love it. It's very interesting listening to people talk

1014
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 4: about their experiences and stuff like that.

1015
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 2: Fuck yeah, thanks, crazy. It's it's always sick to hear

1016
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 2: that people who are listening to this outside of the States.

1017
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 2: Where where in the UK are you from? I've been,

1018
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 2: I've been there.

1019
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 4: I'm I'm at university at the minute. I'm in Birmingham,

1020
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 4: which is like Midlands West Midlands, but I'm from near

1021
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 4: Cambridge originally, so I'm like three hours away from home.

1022
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, I'm actually like so shocks right now? This

1023
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 4: is crazy?

1024
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 2: How is Universe a good way?

1025
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 4: Sorry?

1026
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 2: How's university?

1027
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 4: It's really good? It was good. This is my first year.

1028
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 4: I'm only nineteen so this is my first year at university.

1029
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 4: It's really good. It is really good.

1030
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: I used to live.

1031
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 4: In like a was it like I grew up in

1032
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 4: like a little town. Not town. There's a little village

1033
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 4: in the middle of nowhere with like a few, like

1034
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 4: less than a thousand people. I want to say, so

1035
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 4: like coming this is like Birmingham's the second biggest city

1036
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 4: in the UK. So this is like kind of crazy

1037
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 4: for me that there's so much to do.

1038
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

1039
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 4: It's mental not knowing everyone, But what the hell this is?

1040
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: This is so cool?

1041
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 2: How do you say your name? What did you say?

1042
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 2: Your name was?

1043
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 1: Isabelle?

1044
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 2: Isabelle, well, Isabelle. It's it's totally cool. If not, I

1045
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 2: can just ask you random things. But is there anything

1046
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 2: in particular that you wanted to talk about today? Yeah?

1047
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 4: I wanted to. I've had a lot of people talk

1048
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 4: about like the dating apps and stuff like that, and

1049
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,919
Speaker 4: I always talk about my experience with that. I feel

1050
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 4: like it's quite interesting, well not like interesting interesting. I'm

1051
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 4: not like some I don't know. I feel like I'm

1052
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 4: talking about that that many like crazy stories to tell,

1053
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 4: like that guy the cave guy. That's awesome, and as

1054
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 4: I last I brought them bring that up again. Oh

1055
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 4: that's crazy.

1056
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 2: Shout hey man, listen, listen, listen. I don't want everyone

1057
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 2: ever not everyone's gonna start calling into this podcast and

1058
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,959
Speaker 2: being like, well, I'm not as interesting as the cave guy. Look,

1059
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 2: you don't have to always be as interesting as the

1060
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 2: cave guy. We can't or I'm not as interesting as

1061
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 2: the cave guy. We can't all be as interesting as

1062
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 2: the cave guys. I don't.

1063
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:48,919
Speaker 4: I don't live the life.

1064
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 2: I don't think I could either. I don't think I

1065
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 2: could either. I couldn't ship in the cave. Well, actually

1066
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 2: I could shop the cave once, but I don't think

1067
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 2: I could do it every day. But you don't. You

1068
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 2: don't have to be as interesting as the cave guy.

1069
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 4: Do you know you know in Italy? You know Mount.

1070
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 2: Etuas uh No, I haven't heard of it. I mean Italy,

1071
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 2: like you.

1072
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 4: Know, you know, you know, like Pompeii. Obviously it's the

1073
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 4: volcanoes that like killed everyone, well, like the Romans and

1074
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 4: stuff like that. We went there when I was like

1075
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 4: twelve or thirteen in the school trip and I ship

1076
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 4: on the mountain and it felt like I don't know,

1077
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 4: not like Italian or anything. Baba. Yeah, this is kind

1078
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 4: of like payback for killing all those people in Pompeii.

1079
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Speaker 4: I don't know, random thought there go yeah on the mountains.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so you wanted to talk about your dating

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Speaker 2: app experiences.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, it's just I don't know. Me

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01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 4: and my friends, I felt like this is a very

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01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 4: common thing, but people obviously, like some people like downloaded

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01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 4: for certain reasons. But me and my friends were just like, oh,

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01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 4: let's let's do it as a joke and kind of

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Speaker 4: see what happens. And then it went really well. And

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Speaker 4: now I've got a boyfriend, so it's quite cool. But

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01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 4: I went on quite a few dates before meeting him,

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01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 4: but I'm glad it kind of works out for the better.

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01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. I mean, how many how many dates

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01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 2: did you go on before you met your boyfriend?

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01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 4: Like three? I want to say, I want to say

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01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 4: really often, money, but I want to say three. I

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01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 4: literally I downloaded it in November, and then I met

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01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:24,439
Speaker 4: my boyfriend in January, the end of January, and then

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01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 4: we got together after like a month, and now with

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01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 4: chill in this.

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Speaker 2: Year, that's pretty good. Okay, I'm going to say something,

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01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 2: and you might be offended by it, but it is

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01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 2: my guttural reaction to what you're telling me right now.

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Speaker 4: Yep, Okay.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's so much easier to meet your

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01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 2: boyfriend after three dates when you're nineteen because and this

1105
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 2: is the part where you're going to get offended, is

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01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 2: because I think when you're nineteen, you're like, like, your

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01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 2: who you are as a person is developed, like a

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01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 2: little bit of course by that time, yeah, but like

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01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 2: compared to like when you're twenty nine or some shit, right,

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01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 2: you're you're a little bit less develops. So I think

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01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 2: you're I think you're a little bit more willing at

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01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 2: nineteen to be like, this guy is nice to me,

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01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 2: and I find him attractive, and that's those are that's

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01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,240
Speaker 2: a that's column A and column b, you know. And

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01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 2: then as you get older, you start being like, well,

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01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 2: I want someone who has a little bit of this,

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01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 2: and I you know, my life is like this, and

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01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:36,960
Speaker 2: I want someone whose life is a little bit like

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01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 2: this and this and the other thing. And so you

1120
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 2: start getting narrowing things down, you get more specific with

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01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 2: what you need, you know. But I feel like when

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01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 2: you're yeah, when you're like in college, it's like they're

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01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 2: attractive and they're chill and that's it. Yeah, so and

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01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 2: you can and you can find that in not that

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Speaker 2: many dates.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't. Yeah, I completely agree with you.

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01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 4: I know for a fact, I'm not like fully cognitively

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01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 4: like developed. He obviously you don't get that. You don't

1130
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 4: get to that point. So you're like, what mid twenties

1131
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 4: and even then, like you're always like.

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01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,600
Speaker 2: I don't think, I don't know humans. I don't know.

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01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 4: If you're always learning, you're always learning. I can always

1134
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 4: feel like that age, I still feel like I'm like

1135
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 4: twelve years old. Mentally, I'm like I still have the

1136
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 4: same interest. So I'm like, oh, I'm just a woman now.

1137
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 4: I guess kind of not really, but I'm just kind

1138
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 4: of living in the city and I'm meeting all these

1139
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 4: people and stuff.

1140
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 2: But I get that also, you know, I have have fun,

1141
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 2: have a good time in your life. Jesus Christ.

1142
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 1: I don't know.

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01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, go ahead, yeah, crazy, I'm trying to think, like,

1144
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 4: I don't know, do you want to ask me some questions?

1145
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 4: I feel like I've like thought, I've thought about this moment.

1146
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 4: It's quite a few times, and I'm like, what if

1147
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 4: I what do I want to talk about? But I

1148
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 4: feel like I'm gonna let you question me and I

1149
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 4: can kind of ramble essentially.

1150
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 2: Sure, Sure I can question you. What I mean, what

1151
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 2: do you what do you study?

1152
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 4: Oh? So, uh, I'm doing currently. I'm doing it like

1153
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 4: a thing called a foundation year before university. So it's

1154
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 4: not like it's like one year where you basically like

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01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 4: do like a course. So I'm doing media production at

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01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:28,760
Speaker 4: my course right now, So I do a year of

1157
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 4: that and you basically get like trains and all these

1158
01:08:31,280 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 4: different like audio and like video equipment. You learn you

1159
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 4: learn how to do like podcasts and stuff like that

1160
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 4: and live TV and also have to make like short

1161
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:41,599
Speaker 4: films and do like presentations. Because it's like it's meant

1162
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:45,480
Speaker 4: to be like a starting thing to introduce people to university,

1163
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 4: because some people just do it as like like you

1164
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:50,559
Speaker 4: get like a qualification out of it, but it's not

1165
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 4: like the same level as like an actual university degree.

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01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 4: It's just like you get experience from it and then

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01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,640
Speaker 4: you can kind of go and do whatever university of

1168
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 4: course you want to do. So like there's other people

1169
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 4: on my court who are doing completely different things to

1170
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 4: be like sports marketing and stuff like that. They'll be

1171
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 4: doing that next year, well this September, But I'm meant

1172
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:12,040
Speaker 4: to be doing filmmaking. But I've had a revelation recently

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01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 4: that I'm like, nah, I kind of want to just

1174
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 4: do media production because not that it's difficult to get

1175
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:20,680
Speaker 4: into the film industry, but obviously it's difficult to get

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01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 4: into it.

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01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:25,000
Speaker 2: But I'm sorry, I'm sorry I have to interrupt you.

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01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 2: What is the difference between filmmaking and media production? Somaking?

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01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, it's a completely valid question. Like

1180
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 4: with filmmaking, you are literally just like you're studying films,

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01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 4: you're writing about them, and you like create them, and

1182
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 4: then you you are just basically working on stuff in

1183
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 4: the film industry, so you're working on like production. You

1184
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:51,719
Speaker 4: learn how to write like scripts, you learn how to direct,

1185
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,559
Speaker 4: produce to like sound editing and stuff like that. But

1186
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 4: with media production, that's like all kind of versions of

1187
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 4: like media in a sense. So like obviously like like

1188
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 4: a podcast is completely different to a film, Like that's

1189
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 4: completely different, like different kind of ways of going about it.

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01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 4: And I would be learning like just loads of different things,

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01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:15,759
Speaker 4: and I'd be learning like different kinds of software and stuff.

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01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 4: I just feel like it's better to be versed in

1193
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 4: lots and lots of different things and have like a

1194
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,880
Speaker 4: broad knowledge on stuff than kind of honeing in one thing.

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01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 4: And like I didn't, I didn't. I wasn't originally going

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01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 4: to go to university. Like the last my last like

1197
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 4: the last year has kind of been a bit wild

1198
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 4: for me. But I'm kind of glad that I'm at

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Speaker 4: this point where I'm like, you know what, I've realized

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01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 4: that maybe I should do this course, and it's glad

1201
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 4: that I've kind of learned these things. I know, I'm

1202
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 4: still young and stuff like that. Everyone makes mistakes and whatever,

1203
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,759
Speaker 4: but I've thought about it and I'm like, yeah, let's

1204
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:54,600
Speaker 4: just continue with media production. That would be fun. And

1205
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:56,679
Speaker 4: like the people here is cooled. Birmingham is a really

1206
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 4: creative city. Like it's a bit dodgy in some areas,

1207
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 4: don't get me wrong, like what every city is, but

1208
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:05,759
Speaker 4: it's really fun. I've met some great people here.

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01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 2: It's really good, Isabelle, Is there anything else I say

1210
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:12,719
Speaker 2: to the people of the computer before.

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01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 4: They go, don't give up on your dreams and don't

1212
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 4: let don't let people tell you what you can and

1213
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:24,799
Speaker 4: can't do in your life. And just because you're young, obviously,

1214
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 4: don't make crazy, crazy decisions. But everyone's young and they

1215
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 4: make silly, silly decisions. Just live life, have fun, and

1216
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:37,920
Speaker 4: I don't know, don't get any stupid tattoos or anything

1217
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 4: like that. I've got stuper tattoos. Don't do that. Just

1218
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 4: be normal or not normal, but have fun.

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01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 3: I guess pretty good.

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01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 2: H I'll see you if I ever come to Binghamton, Birmingham.

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01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 4: Yes, Birmingham.

1222
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 3: Thank you, le.

1223
01:11:57,760 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 4: Have a good night.

1224
01:11:58,360 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 3: Man.

1225
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 2: I sucked it up. Why Binghamton, Birmingham, Birmingham. You know,

1226
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,440
Speaker 2: I think people have told me I should go to Birmingham.

1227
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 2: There's all these like places. There's a Bristol, Birmingham, Cardiff.

1228
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 2: I've never been that. I've been to Brighton, London, Manchester.

1229
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:25,799
Speaker 2: I like the UK though. The UK is a cool place.

1230
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll go Maybe I'll go there again. I'm sure

1231
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 2: I'll go there again at some point in my life

1232
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 2: to walk around and look at things which I which

1233
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 2: I which I often enjoyed, enjoyed to do. Thank you

1234
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:44,719
Speaker 2: all for listening to the Therapy Gecko podcast I'm Lyle,

1235
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 2: I'm a gecko. Uh do I have any final thoughts?

1236
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 2: What do we learn? I don't know if we learned anything.

1237
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:58,680
Speaker 2: We talked to Rory, Isabelle, and Nico, and I liked

1238
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 2: talking to all of them. I like getting to talk

1239
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 2: to people, and I like that people listen to people

1240
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 2: talking and it's good. And that's all I got until

1241
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 2: next time. Get Out never goes on the line taking

1242
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 2: your phone calls. Every night, the repon goes doing to ride.

1243
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 2: He's teaching you about in the middle of your life

1244
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 2: that he's not ready an expert