1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Hey, Marlins fans, welcome to a new edition of Big 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: Fish Small Pod or Friday, May thirty First. It's the 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: final audio recording of the month of May here on 4 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: the Fish on First podcast channel, presented by MPT College Consulting. 5 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: On Thursday's off day, the Marlins made a trade and 6 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: it was the unique sort of deal where the acquisition 7 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: itself didn't get a whole lot of attention or love, 8 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: more so the corresponding move in order to bring in 9 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 1: the new player to the Marlins organization. I'm gonna do 10 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: a quick summary of what happens here and why. Ultimately, 11 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: not a very big deal for the Marlins, nothing to 12 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: be too upset about. Quickly on the new guy, right 13 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 1: hander Sean Anderson acquired for cash considerations, coincidentally coming from 14 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: the Texas Rangers, the same Rangers that are in town 15 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: in Miami this weekend to play the Marlins. Anderson was 16 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: dfa'd by the Rangers a few days ago. The prototypical 17 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 1: journeyman where he's appeared in parts of six Major League 18 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: seasons with six different MLD organizations, and he's had some 19 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: reps as a reliever, he's had some reps as a starter, 20 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: and ultimately just not very good a five to eight 21 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: to three era. In his career, he gives a lot 22 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: of hits in just A despite a relatively deep pitch mix. 23 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: Quality of those pitches don't exactly stand out. This year, 24 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 1: he'd spent more time in Triple A than he had 25 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: in the majors, and he had quite a bit of 26 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: success as a starter in Triple A in the Rangers organization. 27 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: Perhaps that is why the Marlins felt it was worth 28 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: taking a flyer on him. Cash considerations is just a 29 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: small step up from a typical waiver claim, which shows 30 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: you that multiple teams were interested in claiming Anderson. With 31 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: the Marlins, he's using his final minor league option this year, 32 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: going down to Triple A Jacksonville untill further notice, Well, 33 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: I'll be curious to see exactly what role they use 34 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: him with down there, But he's on the forty man roster, 35 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: and he's somebody that I think you could see up 36 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: before the end of the year when the situation presents 37 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: itself to get him onto the forty man They have 38 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: a few candidates that they could have designated for assignment 39 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: themselves without having any fear of losing, and I'd admit 40 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,519 Speaker 1: that it was not on my radar that potentially Wu 41 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: suck Go would be the one that goes from that 42 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: forty man the same Wu suck Go was acquired in 43 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: the Luis Arise trade, one of the four players in 44 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: that deal, it was not a critical piece of that package. 45 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,079 Speaker 1: I think as an outlet, we did a fairly good 46 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: job of making it clear that he was the fourth 47 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: piece of that package, behind Dylan Head, behind Jacob Marcy, 48 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: behind Nathan Martorella, behind the actual hitting prospects that have 49 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: since moved onto the Marlins top prospect list. Go was 50 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: behind them. I think what perhaps we failed to articulate 51 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 1: is that he wasn't really a player piece of this equation. 52 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: He was, more so just a financial elements of it, 53 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: a negative deal, a liability, a bad contract that was 54 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: included really for no other purpose other than to balance 55 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 1: the finances. Here. You may remember in the Arise deal 56 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: that the Marlins they did their best to get what 57 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: they thought was the best prospect return by paying down 58 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: almost everything that Arise was owed for the rest of 59 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: this year. The Padres only oh Arise a pro rated 60 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: portion of the league minimum for the rest of twenty 61 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: twenty four, with the Marlins taking responsibility for everything else, 62 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: and for the total this year that was ten point 63 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: six million. They're going to end up paying around ten 64 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: million dollars to Arise to play against them, as he 65 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: just did these past few and by doing that that 66 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: unlocked they believe a better prospect return that because they 67 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: were covering the money there and leaving flexibility open for 68 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: the Padres to make additional acquisitions as the season went on. 69 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: That otherwise, the Padres would not have been willing to 70 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: include that trio of prospects, or at least not three 71 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: of that caliber, in order to make this trade go through. 72 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: And yet apparently eating all that money from a Rise 73 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: was not quite enough to get the prospects that they did, 74 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: and that another part of the equation was taking on 75 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 1: the money that was owed to go He assigned a 76 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: four point five million dollar contract this offseason as a 77 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: free agent and international free agent, only twenty five years old. 78 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: But he's somebody that was brought over with the intention 79 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: of immediately joining the Marlin the Padres major league pitching staff. 80 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: It was given a guaranteed deal, a two year deal 81 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: with a mutual option for a third. It just became 82 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: apparent very early on in the spring that he was 83 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: not the caliber pitcher that they had projected, and that 84 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: his stuff was not translating to the majors the way 85 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: they thought he would. That is why he had spent 86 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: the first month of twenty twenty four with their Double 87 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: A affiliates. He had not pitched in the majors for 88 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: the Padres, and I said, the underne lying numbers at 89 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: Double A looked okay for Go. Yet it sends a 90 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: pretty strong message that a major league free agent signing 91 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:34,599 Speaker 1: of yours couldn't even crack the opening day roster or 92 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: the April roster at all at any point, and was 93 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: rather staying down there. The Marlins took that off their 94 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: hands because apparently that was part of the equation here 95 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: in order to get that trio of prospects, that eating 96 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: the rise money wasn't quite enough, and that this was 97 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: furthering their commitments, their financial commitments in this complicated deal. 98 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: So Go was on their forty man roster initially, and 99 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: he was pitching at Triple A Jacksonville. But it's not 100 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: like they were under any delusion that he was an 101 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: impactful reliever. Otherwise he would have been up in the majors. 102 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: At some point they kept him all the forty man 103 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 1: just in case the situation presented itself. As you've noticed 104 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: back in April, the Marlins had this pretty constant churn 105 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: in the mop up role where their starting pitchers they 106 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: weren't going deep enough into games or if they had 107 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: some injuries. It's natural to call somebody up, have them 108 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: pitch a game or two, and then send them back 109 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: down just like that, And in this case the Marlins 110 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: were fortunate where their rotation performed really well ever since 111 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: the Arise trade going deep into games and even the relievers, 112 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: as this whole pitching staff has been on a heater 113 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: for the past few weeks, so if somebody like Go 114 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: was not needed, he was all right in triple A. 115 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: But it was kind of the reverse situation of his 116 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: padres time. The surface level stats look good, just a 117 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: three point er and no home runs allowed, but what 118 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: immediately jumps out is only three strikeouts in the nine 119 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: endings he pitched. Even in a tiny sample size, that 120 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: is alarming that a one ending at a time reliever 121 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: wasn't putting guys away on his own. Go has a 122 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: relatively deep pitch mix of five different pitches in there's 123 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: a varying extens it's mostly his fastball and his cutter. 124 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: His fastball average sits around ninety two to ninety four 125 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: and max is out at ninety six, and his cutter 126 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 1: in the high eighties. He also has more conventional secondaries. 127 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: He has a slider and a changeup and a curveball 128 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: right there. But watching him pitch in Jacksonville, there's just 129 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: not a standout pitch in that entire bunch. There's not 130 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: a put away pitch in there. And maybe he had 131 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: some success against double A competition, but since coming over, 132 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: even in this lower level compared to the majors, the 133 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: lack of swing and miss was pretty jarring and that 134 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: made the Marlins comfortable at this point to squeeze him 135 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: off the forty men in order to bring in Anderson. 136 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: And it's not necessarily in an admission that this random 137 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: waiver wire guy Sean Anderson is better than Go, but 138 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: it's also an understanding that they don't have to choose 139 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: one or the other. Anderson goes on their forty man 140 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: roster with Go, he's now going through the waivers process 141 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: and he's going to go unclaimed largely because of that 142 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: contract was four point five million guaranteed. From this point forward, 143 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: about three point nine millions still left, and no team 144 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: is gonna consciously take that off waivers because it is 145 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: a negative asset. A few days from now, I expect 146 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: him to clear waivers and I expect him to be 147 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: outrighted to Triple A next year. His contract has him 148 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: with all the privileges of a tenured major leaguer. But 149 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: for this year in twenty twenty four, I don't think 150 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: he has the option of electing free agency at this point. 151 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: He'll stay in the organization right exactly where he was 152 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: before in Jacksonville. It's just that he won't be on 153 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: the forty man roster. He'd have to earn his way 154 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: back up, or an emergency would have to call for 155 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 1: him to get selected at some point later this season, 156 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: and that's the little possibility. It's just, yeah, it can 157 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: sometimes be difficult to make that distinction between the players 158 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: that are being valued for their talent and then the 159 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: players that are being treated like assets. It can be 160 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: a little uncomfortable. You got a feel for somebody let 161 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: go who at the time of his signing just a 162 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: few months ago, he probably had every intention that he 163 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 1: was going to pitch in the majors at some point, 164 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: and now more so than ever that is highly questionable 165 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: because he's not even on the forty man at this point. 166 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: This does not mean that the Marlins had a change 167 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: of heart regarding Go, doesn't mean that they made a 168 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: mistake in the Arise trade, because in the first place, 169 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: this is not somebody that they had any expectations for. 170 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: This is not somebody was on the same side of 171 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: the package as the prospects were. Believe it or not, 172 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 1: this was a deal where he was just being treated 173 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: as an extension of the money that the Marlins were 174 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: already covering in a Rises contract and taking off of 175 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: the Padres books right here. And I'll say again, I 176 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: think I regret nothing a little bit clearer about that. 177 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: That went into my reaction to the trade and why 178 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: I didn't think it was a good deal from the 179 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: Marlins perspective. For all the money they took into account 180 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: on a Rises deal and it goes you'd think they'd 181 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: be able to get more in return, or you'd think 182 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: they would simply wait until deeper into the season to 183 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: get a more compelling offer. And it was head scratching 184 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: at the time. Why does that Bendix insisted this deal 185 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: was too good to pass up until a long way 186 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: to go on that to find out if it is. 187 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: The reality is it's going to take years for that 188 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: trade to really play out and for us to fully 189 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: assess it. This move should not impact that assessment, not 190 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: even a little bit. This has been Big Fish Small 191 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: Pod here on the Fish on First Podcast channel, presented 192 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 1: by MPT College Consulting. Thanks for listening and tuning into 193 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: all of our audio offerings. Right here I have been 194 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: Eli Sussman on the Small Pod with you as always, 195 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:33,319 Speaker 1: go Fish