WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: John Densmore 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.080 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeart Radio. 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:10.120 It's a It's a Steve show. This is a Steam show. 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:12.920 Brot just I. 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:15.440 Believe our best episodes are when we don't know the guys. 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:18.440 Yeah, everybody calm down because I can't carry that. 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:21.960 I'm just I go through. 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:25.959 I know, you know, five to one when I start 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:26.680 talking to take over. 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:30.240 I know that whole valcuum, like a whole valculum. 0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:33.280 I know, I know, light my fire. 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:36.400 Of course I went the samples. Did anyone sample the doors? 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:36.880 Yes? 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:37.320 They were. 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:39.960 Okay, here's a drummer too. 0:00:40.040 --> 0:00:41.680 By the way, I know, right, I think that we 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:43.599 have a whole thing about it. We kind of tick 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:47.360 you like we're going to take the sim test today. 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:50.880 Yeah, okay, I'm at all right, I'm with you. 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:54.040 All right, here we go, Oh. 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:58.040 Already, let's go. 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:03.440 How you doing, Hey man, I'm good, good, good to 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:04.040 be here with you. 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:07.199 I don't know. I don't know if you can see 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:11.560 this my wardrobe. 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:09.280 I. 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:13.240 Said, thank you. 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:16.679 He sat in with us. 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:18.119 Yeah. 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:18.320 Man. 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:22.600 Is it because of COVID that that the roots are 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:23.800 pared down? 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:26.600 Yeah, it's because of COVID. 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:31.559 We can't state loss says that only uh six people 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:33.360 out of eleven. 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:36.480 Uh, our information, So that's how it is. 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:39.760 I got Okay, well, I used to love that the 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:44.520 tuba duplicating the baselines that sent me right to New Orleans. 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:50.440 Nice the lower Yeah, that's cool crap since we already 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:53.640 talking when we start the introduction, Uh, ladies and gentlemen, 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.000 this is quest Love Supreme. My name is quest Love. 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:58.440 We have Teams Supreme with us. We gotta fine take 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:02.840 a low. Happy New Year, Happy New Year, Happy New Year. 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:06.960 This is also the time that I'm not pluralizing the 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:07.720 word year. 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:08.400 Uh. 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:11.760 I always say happy New Years, and I've been corrected 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:12.760 one too many times. 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:15.880 Sugar Steve, Hello. 0:02:15.880 --> 0:02:17.560 Hello, how you doing everybody? 0:02:17.600 --> 0:02:17.680 Hi? 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:18.040 John? 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:19.679 It's kind of weird for me to say hello to 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:21.040 you because I see you every day. 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:22.440 So yeah, I'm pretty sick of you too. 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:28.760 Let's move on, okay, Yeah, happy. 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:31.239 Run off and the Sugar Steve really is a live episode. 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.800 Ye paid Bill, ye's with us as well. How you 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:37.120 doing good? Hen run off? Day good? Yeah? 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:42.360 Happy yeah, yeah happy whatever you said day layah just 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:42.760 as well. 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:45.120 That's right. Happy fiftieth month, my friend. 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:51.480 Oh you're right with me, there's okay, you're still nineteen yeah. 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:53.000 No, I mean, I'm not Yes, I'm right with you 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:54.760 as far as our birthdays on the same day, but 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:56.560 it's but you. 0:02:56.480 --> 0:03:01.160 Know what I'm yeah anyway, all right, So our guest today, y'all. 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:05.160 Our guest is huge, Yeah, very huge. 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:08.040 He's a member of the Rock and Roll Hall of 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:12.200 Fame and he's literally from one of the most influential 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:17.600 bands of all time. The Doors have sold over one 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:21.840 hundred million records. That's nothing to stuff at. Their music 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:24.239 and their influence still resonates to this day. Yes, I 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:27.200 don't know if you know that, John. 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:29.520 Those are actual records too, not. 0:03:31.120 --> 0:03:33.600 I better actually check my royalties. 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:35.920 Yeah, we're on the verge of an answer, you know, 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:38.000 back today. It'd be good for Ton. 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:39.320 Not not to mention. 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:44.040 Our guest is also an author, actor, playwright, Grammy Lifetime 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:47.960 Achievement Ward Winner recipient, and we are extremely honored to 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:51.560 have him talk shop with us today and his illustrious career. 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:56.240 Please welcome to Course Left Supreme. John Dinsmore, drummer of 0:03:56.320 --> 0:03:56.840 The Doors. 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:02.720 Hey, Hey, yo, thank you, and I'm not dead, you know. 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.280 Yes, that's a good start. 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:08.080 Yeah, congratulations, thank you, thank you. 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:10.760 That's an ad. We're all right. Now where are you 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:11.360 right now? 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:16.040 I'm I'm in my office slash rehearsal room, you. 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.880 Know, Okay, I meant like, in what part of the world. 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:24.280 Oh, I'm in lak where I was born, my mom 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:27.799 was My mom was born here in nineteen oh four. 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:33.080 And but we're not native. The Chumash Indians are the 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:35.080 first People's got to get that, right, You. 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:36.680 Better credit, you better get it. 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:42.560 Yeah, So listen, I want to say, I'm really pleased 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.200 to be doing this because, you know, Quest and I 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:49.080 are in the same tribe, a tribe called drummers. 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:53.160 Yeah, we are, you know, And I just. 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:57.640 Yeah, I love that. You know, you're the leader of 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:00.719 the roots, and not a lot of drummers their leaders. 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:03.640 And and it makes me think of you and Lionel 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:07.640 Hampton or or Art Blakey and the jazz messengers you 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:11.520 know who I saw many times. Or Chico Hamilton, who 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.920 I stole to ride cymbal bell beat from. 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:18.520 You know, so wait, how did you pull that time out? 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.760 Please tell tell our audience who Chico Hamilton is, please, 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:24.240 because nobody ever talks about him. 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:27.560 He was a wonderful jazz cat in the early sixties 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:29.880 and I saw him as a teenager. I think Charles 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:34.039 Lloyd was playing with him, and uh man, you know, 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:36.719 I heard a real cool thing, and I later I 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:39.800 put it in the end. You know, you steal from 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:40.599 the best. 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:43.440 Right, exactly flattery I was. 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:45.479 I was going to say, though, you're you told me 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:49.799 at Fallin that your your weapon of choice wasn't initially 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:53.440 the drums. You started out, you said as a piano player. 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:58.599 Yeah. Yeah, that's in my new book. Uh my mom 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:02.679 is the first chapter, because she encouraged me to play piano, 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:06.000 and I just was crazy for music and I wanted 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:10.040 to play any instrument. And then I got into junior 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:13.200 high and there was no piano in the band or 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:17.719 the orchestra, and I chose clarinet because I thought, you know, 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:21.800 Benny Goodman's cool whatever. And I had braces on my 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.400 teeth and they said, no, no, no, you can't do that. 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:26.840 You're trying to push them back and they're going to 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:31.359 come out with that instrument. So drums. Yeah, so I 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:32.960 owe my career to the dentist. 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:39.279 Oh so you're saying that adults encouraged you to play 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:43.800 the drums, because normally, in my situation, adults drums are 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:48.240 always the last resort of every drum guitar because their 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:50.000 parents don't want them to make noise or anything. 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:52.280 I got you, now, my parents were okay with it, 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:55.279 but quest did you have one of those black rubber 0:06:55.400 --> 0:07:01.560 pads a drum pad you know us back, but they 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:04.760 have no sound And that's what you got to do 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:06.080 when you're too. 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:08.040 Loud, right exactly? 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:12.520 Well even that, I'll say, like my first two years 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:15.760 of taking drum lessons, you know, my teacher had like 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:23.360 this this shiny Ludwig drum set and also a practice 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:27.000 pad next to that drum set, and we would just 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:30.600 walk to the practice pad and I would ask him like, wait, 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:33.240 when do I get to play the post? And he's like, 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:35.680 you're not ready yet. So like for two years I 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:39.160 had to play on that practice pad, almost like it 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:42.200 was like torture for you know, to sit there in 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:44.200 front of that drum set and not even touch it 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:45.640 for the first two years. 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:49.160 Yeah, no, same deal with me. I was told if 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:53.119 I took private lessons, I'd get better, and so I did, 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:57.360 and I was surrounded by drum sets on the damn 0:07:57.480 --> 0:07:58.880 practice pad with the teacher. 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:02.760 So who's your like, who's your north star? 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:06.760 As far as drumming was concerned, like, you know, because 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.120 I mean you were the rock era, the modern rock era, 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:14.040 so it wasn't like you have tales of seeing anyone 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:17.720 that modern musicians see now. So who was your north star? 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:20.480 As far as like like who would have been your 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:24.120 beatles on Sullivan Movement? As far as like that's what 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:25.160 I want to do for a living? 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:31.160 Elvin Jones, Wow, great. I got my fake ID in 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:36.400 Tijuana and went to Shelley's man Hall, which the door 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:38.600 man looked at and said, this is fake, but come 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:43.920 on in, you know, and I saw Coltrane many times. 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.160 Oh my god, I want to say that your fake ID, 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:49.000 said Elvin Jones on it. 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:55.800 What was that like to see people that we take 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.160 for granted? I don't think we've ever had a guest 0:08:58.240 --> 0:08:59.000 on the show that. 0:08:58.920 --> 0:08:59.840 I saw Coltrane? 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.960 Yeah, that seem like gods and you knew they were 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:06.079 gods then? So what was that like for you to see? 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:08.280 All right? Well you can read all about it in 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:13.960 my new book. The second or third chapter is on Elvin. 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:18.240 So you know, I knew there was magic. I mean 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:22.320 I didn't know that I was seeing iconic that people 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:24.920 were going to be just legendary, you know, but I 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:29.240 sensed just I don't know, there was fire and energy, 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:33.080 Like I couldn't believe the conversation Elvin would have with Coltrane. 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:36.240 They'd just be you know, he'd keep the groove, but 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:39.640 he'd be riffing off him all the time. And you know, 0:09:39.880 --> 0:09:41.520 it gave me a little courage now and then to 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.319 riff off Jim Morrison, you know, fuck around with what 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:48.720 he's saying and you know, keep the groove. But you know, Elvin, 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:54.840 he's my man. And so after Coltrane died, I saw Elvin. Well, 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:57.960 let me back up, all right. So my my idols 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.599 are in the dressing room at the As Club, and 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:05.720 the bathroom is right next to the jazz club, next 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:11.000 to the uh my brain. It's one of the musicians 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:14.360 hang out in the greenroom green room, and so I 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:18.840 went to the bathroom a lot because they were right 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:22.920 around the corner, you know. And I was afraid to 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:28.600 say anything. But later, after Coltrane died, I I introduced 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:34.280 myself to Elvin and then I had I have three 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:38.600 self centered memoirs, and the first one, Riders on the Storm, 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:41.520 I gave to Elvin, and I quickly said Hey man, 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.240 I wrote in here you gave me my hands, you know, 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:47.760 worried that he would be condescending, this jazz giant, and 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:51.440 he was so warm and friendly, and I saw him 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:53.800 many more times and I took his symbol bag to 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:56.400 the car towards the end of his life. So we're 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:59.040 talking to real mentor you. 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.720 Know, what was it about his playing? 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:04.640 Because a lot of homies I went to school with 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:07.840 that were in the jazz department, they all like just 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:11.160 swore by Elvin Jones. So if you could explain to 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:14.200 kind of a layperson on what was it about his 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:16.559 drumming technique that just made him so amazing? 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:20.600 I think they called it poly rhythms, you know. I 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.560 mean he'd have the pocket. You have to have the pocket, 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:27.839 of course, but he was continually playing triplets and all 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:31.120 this shit all going on all the time, like churning 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:36.240 up an rhythmic egg beater, and it sounded like he 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:37.720 was going to fall into his kit. 0:11:37.840 --> 0:11:41.600 He was. It was just but he didn't, you know, Yeah. 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:43.680 I don't know. That's how I describe it, you know. 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:44.559 That's what's up. 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:48.559 Can I ask a question, so, with with your clear 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:53.599 love for jazz, did you ever actually play jazz in 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:55.920 a in a serious way. 0:11:56.720 --> 0:11:57.000 Yeah. 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:00.559 A few years back I had a group called Tribal Jazz, 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:08.079 which was jazz quartet or quintet with two African drummers, 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:11.959 which was really fun because you know, I'm trying to 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:16.839 integrate Senegalese rhythms into a drum kit, you know, so 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:19.640 it rearranged some brain cells. 0:12:19.679 --> 0:12:20.200 That was good. 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:23.920 And what about back when you were younger, did you 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:24.840 play any jazz then? 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:28.640 Well, as a kid like crazy, and then I stumbled 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:31.000 into this rock band. 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:36.559 I say it worked out pretty good. 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:41.440 Well, let me let me ask because yeah, like was 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:46.160 there music musical snobbery uh in the in the sixties 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:49.599 to the level of where you know, like it was 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.040 a big deal for like Leonard Cohen to say, like 0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:54.200 I actually like the Beatles like that. 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:54.520 Sort of thing. 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:58.520 Oh, I see, was it was it a struggle back 0:12:58.559 --> 0:12:59.600 then to win respect? 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:02.400 Like did you care as much or just were you unaware? 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:07.920 Uh? Back then the whole country was polarized into four 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:11.760 and against the Vietnam War, kind of like today's kind 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:16.080 of polarized, you know, and uh, you know rock and 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:22.000 roll was against the war and any sort of liberal 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:26.080 bent and so you were either for that or you know, 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:30.120 I would say that country music kind of represented the 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:34.800 other side. But the last chapter I got in this 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:38.680 book is on Willie Nelson, And you know, I'm looking 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.200 for the soul in any genre. You know, I can 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:45.640 get fed by if you're if you're saying something truthful, 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:49.600 and if it's in a simplistic form, it doesn't matter. Man. 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:54.160 In fact, in my old age, I've learned that if 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:59.679 I put the right symbol crash in the exact right spot, 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.680 it can be as powerful as you know, in my 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.080 twenties when I showed all my shit or when I 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:08.400 had more chops, you know what I mean? 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.960 What was the what was the modern music scene like 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:18.760 in Los Angeles in the mid sixties before yeah, before 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:21.320 you guys really got established, Like was Whiskey a go 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:24.600 go a thing sort of before you guys came along, 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:28.040 or like what was Yeah, it was just a modern scene. 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:31.680 Like exactly, No, the Whiskey was mecca and we were 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:33.760 playing in a little club a block down from the 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:37.680 Whiskey the night we were fired because there was a fight, 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:40.200 which we did not cause, but they blamed it on 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:44.520 the band. The booker from the Whiskey dropped in and 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:47.760 saw us, and she hired us as the house band 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:53.320 at the Whiskey, and it was heaven. I mean every 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:57.000 night the streets were packed with hippies and music freaks 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:02.920 and every band that came in, I don't know, let's 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:08.080 see Frank Zappa, Captain Beefheart, Van Morrison, et cetera, et cetera, 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:11.040 the Birds all. You know, they had to deal with 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:17.560 the opening act. Wow, I don't mean to well that 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.880 sounds a little self serving, but we were we were different. 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:25.520 We you know, we were the undeclared Vietnam War. We 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:28.280 were not singing about peace and love. We were singing 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:33.200 about this is the end, beautiful friend man. Things are 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:37.320 there's a lot of lying going on, and so you know, 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.720 we played light my Fire and everybody dance and that 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:43.320 was really cool. And then we play the end and 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:49.280 it got very quiet and then people had to follow that, 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.240 the other bands, which I mean, we were friends with 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:55.120 them all. But it was a really cool scene. 0:15:55.200 --> 0:16:00.800 Were what were your thoughts on like the postmod kind 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.960 of movement of music, like people that weren't that political, 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:07.200 more poppy, like I guess I still want to know, 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:12.440 like where they're different tribes or different clicks of did 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:14.600 you guys mess together at all? 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:15.400 You know? 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:19.440 The British invasion was kind of poppy, you know, but 0:16:19.520 --> 0:16:24.560 then then we all started experimenting with then legal psychedelics 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:29.280 and the Beatles' music got a little darker like ours. 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:34.000 Yeah, did you appreciate it at the time, Well, appreciate 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:35.680 their contribution at the time. 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:40.000 You know, it's it's from from a person from my generation. 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:45.760 We'll be quick to lump like anyone that came from 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:50.240 the mid to late sixties in the same bowl, you know, 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:57.160 whereas I'm certain that three four decades from now, you know, 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:01.240 somebody will look at my band or Fonte's band and 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:03.720 you know just think like, oh, okay, well you know, 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:09.119 Kanye West outcast, you guys are all the same where 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:12.880 we've talked much shit about each other and that sort 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:13.120 of thing. 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:18.000 So like, you know, were you. 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:20.760 Your thoughts on your contemporaries at the time, like Zones, Yeah, 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:22.879 the Beatles, the Who, the Kinks. 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.440 Let me break it down. You know, in the beginning, 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.399 I I was a jazz snob, but I was certainly 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:31.199 aware of the roots of rock and roll. Chuck Berry 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:34.520 and Little Richard and all and and Elvis and whatever. 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.000 Then I saw these four mop tops on Ed Sullivan 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:42.040 and I thought, wow, man, what are they gay? 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:42.800 What is this? 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:43.159 You know? 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:51.439 And uh then I noticed I noticed their melodies. I thought, wow, 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:55.720 you know, because melodies, man, are they key? I don't 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:58.600 I don't care if it's heavy metal or country. If 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:01.679 you got a beautif for melody with a with a 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:05.400 cool lyric, they gotta be wetted together. Wow, you got 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:08.160 great songs. So you know, I knew the Beatles had 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:09.480 great songs. 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:09.359 And we. 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:15.760 Looked up to the Stones and like that van. 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:18.960 Were they of an older generation to you? Because even 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:23.600 in my world, like someone that came out four or 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:27.439 five years ago, I'll see that as in hip hop terms, 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:32.920 like someone that made their debut in two thousand and 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:37.960 ten even is kind of old. Even even though they're 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:42.760 not old school, they're considered old school. So, you know, 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:47.120 because of the of the years between you guys them 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:50.000 starting in sixty one sixty two, was it still the 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:54.960 same fraternity or were they seeing as older statesmen? Not 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.600 older statesmen, but that's what I'm assing. 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:00.480 No, they were just a few years old, so they 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:05.080 weren't an entirely different genre, you know, you know, and 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:10.040 then as you go along, can you keep making records 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:13.680 that are important? And a lot of folks followed by 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:18.320 the wayside, and we managed to do okay, even though Jim, 0:19:18.440 --> 0:19:22.360 you know, he started drinking so much that it got 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:27.320 quite difficult, you know, Like I got a chapter in 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:30.320 this new book on Jim, and one on janis two 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:38.560 cautionary Janice Choplin two cautionary tales. You know, self destruction 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:43.280 and creativity coming the same package with them, but not 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:45.840 with everybody. 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:53.960 We're we're really good friends with Shep Gordon. 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:58.480 Oh yeah, told us a lot about the scene in 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:00.880 La especially at the hotel. 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:04.640 I forget the hotel and sunset where yeah. 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:10.919 Every yeah, everyone yeah, well yeah, everyone just hungt and whatnot. 0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:14.680 Like the book of the group love and and all 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:19.440 those things. Were you directly like a part of that scene, 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:22.320 like off stage where you guys sort. 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:25.159 Of not quite that scene. I'm trying to think of 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:28.680 the hotel too. But but but once you played the whiskey, 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:34.680 Mario the door guy let anybody in, so we would 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:37.000 all go see each other when we were not playing, 0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:40.800 and so was it fraternity, you know? And we love 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:44.440 for example, man, they were really like them a lot. 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:48.280 They were so different. Forever Changes is it masterpiece of 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:49.159 that album? 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:53.760 Yeah, Forever Change, Forever Changes is masterpiece. It's you know, 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:56.240 the that's from the Summer I love too. I mean 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:59.480 there was there's just like there's a few there's a 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:04.200 few albums from from that era that are just Yeah. 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:06.000 I want to get on the soapbox for a second. 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:11.240 Get pissed off when people dissed the sixties as a failure. 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:13.359 Wait, who. 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:15.440 Good? 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:20.160 Okay, life based on everything from the sixties. 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:23.080 There's a progress without the sixties. 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:26.000 I never mind what I was going to say. 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:28.959 I want to hear it. 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:30.680 It's feeling that way, so glad I talks about it. 0:21:31.000 --> 0:21:34.960 Well, there there is a perception that like post sixty nine, 0:21:35.000 --> 0:21:38.959 that there was not not diminished returns per se, but 0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:42.000 everything was over and everything that that was fought for 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:42.920 and built. 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:47.439 Was sort of just washed away. So well, what were 0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:48.160 you were saying? 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:54.719 Well, yeah, the seeds of civil rights, the peace movement, 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:59.320 feminism all were planted in the sixties, and maybe these 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:05.160 seeds like a long time fifty hundred years for full fruition. 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:09.399 So don't dis you know, we're on the shoulders of 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:14.760 all folks before and so you know, yeah, progress is 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:17.600 not as fast as we wanted, you know, like uh, 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:21.440 ge Obama got elected, so there's no more racism. Yeah 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:30.960 right right, you know so. But anyway, and speaking of which, 0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:35.760 I was hoping, uh, sometime during this podcast, I could 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:43.320 do a five minute poem for Stacy Abrams. Oh, because 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:46.879 because I've been thinking about Jesus all right now I'm 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:50.399 going to approve it. I'm going to approve I'm the drummer, 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:55.520 not the singer. I've been thinking about Jojo Jojia, no 0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:56.520 piece f fun. 0:22:57.119 --> 0:22:58.240 You're on my mind. 0:22:59.160 --> 0:22:59.800 Then they're voting. 0:23:02.280 --> 0:23:05.280 Yeah, so everybody, man, I want to do by the 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:07.400 time this area as we'll have the results that we want. 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:08.080