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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff is the Instagram. Fire in those dms to

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Speaker 1: McDuffie for the next couple of years. Not only could

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Speaker 1: you not say that, more than likely, it's a fifty proposition.

428
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Speaker 1: This guy is decent, this guy's a starter. And because

429
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Speaker 1: we have the thirteenth pick in the draft, because we

430
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Speaker 1: made one of the craziest trades in the history of

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Speaker 1: the league. There's no one's disputes that James Pierce can play, right,

432
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Speaker 1: he had whatever double digit sacks this year, but he

433
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Speaker 1: might spend the next however many years in jail. Right,

434
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Speaker 1: So not Matt Ryan or Ian Cunningham or any of

435
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Speaker 1: those guys. Fault is a previous regime, But that will

436
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Speaker 1: go down of taking a character risk that high and

437
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Speaker 1: mortgaging a first round pick to pick a guy in

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Speaker 1: the twenties. Why is he there in the twenties because

439
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 1: he's got the biggest red flag behind him you've ever seen,

440
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: and obviously he lived up to that. This offseason. It's

441
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Speaker 1: a fucking disaster for the Falcons. And then you go

442
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Speaker 1: eight to nine. It's not like, well, you made the playoffs,

443
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Speaker 1: you won, you got to the second round. You give

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Speaker 1: the Rams the thirteenth overall pick, which enables them they

445
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Speaker 1: can move up a couple spots. If they like a guy,

446
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Speaker 1: they can move back a couple of spots and add

447
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Speaker 1: more picks, so it gives them flexibility. When's the last

448
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 1: time the Rams drafted this high. Well, I'll tell you

449
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Speaker 1: the last time was, you know, four or five years ago.

450
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Speaker 1: The problem was the Lions had their pick and use

451
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Speaker 1: that to maneuver and get Jamiir Gibbs and say Laporta.

452
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Speaker 1: So I think the Rams they had to view that

453
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Speaker 1: pick as just little house money. Listen, we all do this.

454
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Speaker 1: Anyone that's hit a big bet, you know, online, and

455
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Speaker 1: you see that number in your account, you go, this

456
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Speaker 1: is just found money. And that's not always the right

457
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Speaker 1: way to look at it. But sometimes you're like, hey,

458
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Speaker 1: I'll make a bet that I might not make because

459
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Speaker 1: I just hit this parlay for a couple grand and

460
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Speaker 1: I think the Rams looked at it that way, and

461
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Speaker 1: I don't think they're wrong too to be aggressive with

462
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Speaker 1: that pick, utilize that pick because they have one goal

463
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Speaker 1: and one goal only that to me is to be

464
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Speaker 1: playing at home in the Super Bowl. And they have

465
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: been really really close the last couple of years. And

466
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Speaker 1: from their front, their front's good, the landman's a stud,

467
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: their defensive coordinator is good, but their secondary was just

468
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Speaker 1: not trustworthy. And I would imagine, you know, if Caleb

469
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Speaker 1: Downs is potentially available at thirteen, they will add more

470
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Speaker 1: secondary help by one issue with this move for them,

471
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Speaker 1: which it's and this is kind of a hypothetical because

472
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Speaker 1: we don't know how this is all going to play out.

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Speaker 1: One thing Belichick really thrived at over the course of

474
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Speaker 1: their dynasty was he was always hesitant in free agency

475
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Speaker 1: or trading back in the draft because he never wanted

476
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Speaker 1: guys in his locker room who hadn't done anything for

477
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Speaker 1: the Patriots to be making more money than a lot

478
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Speaker 1: of his core guys who were winning in winning Super

479
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Speaker 1: Bowls and going to Pro Bowls. And he was always

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Speaker 1: very cognizant of that fact until the end when he

481
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Speaker 1: got desperate and obviously a couple of years later it

482
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Speaker 1: cost him his job. Kokinnakua has been one of the

483
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: best players in the league for the last several years,

484
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: and last year he was an unstoppable force. In those

485
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: games against Seattle, he looked like Jerry Rice meets Calvin Johnson.

486
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Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't think I've ever seen anyone

487
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: quite play like that. There was like a trell Owens

488
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Speaker 1: element to it. Was a monster. And he's contract eligible.

489
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Speaker 1: And this is a major conversation around the league. Like

490
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: we see these numbers. Brandon Ayuk was catching seventy five

491
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Speaker 1: balls a year and got a contract with seventy five

492
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Speaker 1: million dollars guaranteed two years ago. Think about that two

493
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Speaker 1: years ago. So a guy like Puka, you start looking around, Well,

494
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Speaker 1: who you're looking at. You're looking at the Ceede Lambs,

495
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Speaker 1: You're looking at the Jumar Chases, You're looking at the

496
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Speaker 1: Justin Jeffersons. So you start talking one hundred and twenty

497
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Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty million dollars. Now I'm talking guaranteed money. Now,

498
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Speaker 1: I don't think Trent McDuffie is gonna get near that

499
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Speaker 1: much money. But if you do break Trent McDuffie off

500
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Speaker 1: give him seventy eight eighty whatever guaranteed ninety. I don't

501
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 1: know what the contract is gonna eventually be. Puka goes well,

502
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: I've been in the trenches with all these guys these

503
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: last couple of years when we've been on the precipice

504
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: of jumping over that line and getting right there with

505
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: the Eagles going toe to toe with Seattle in the

506
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: NFC Championship. I wish your fucking road, Doug. I'm a

507
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: winning player. We can, you know, nitpick some of the

508
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 1: maturity stuff of the off the field, but there is

509
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: no disputing his just elite nature on the field, which

510
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: the end of the day, there is a production business,

511
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Speaker 1: and I think that is going to complicate things a

512
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Speaker 1: little bit. If in the next couple of days Trent

513
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Speaker 1: McDuffie gets a huge contract, I think that will only

514
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Speaker 1: emphasize what are they gonna do with Puka? They got it.

515
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Speaker 1: This is not gonna be something they can just kind

516
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Speaker 1: of go into training camp with. It's gonna be probably

517
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Speaker 1: something in the off season that you're gonna have to

518
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Speaker 1: solidify and kind of put you know, pen to paper

519
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: and get a deal done. And if you're not move

520
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: on from because he would have a ton of value

521
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Speaker 1: and I don't think they're gonna move on fromhim. I

522
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: would expect Pooka nakou to get a big contract. But

523
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Speaker 1: if you tell me Pooka Nikoua doesn't have a contract

524
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Speaker 1: by OTAs and Trent McDuffie has a big contract when

525
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Speaker 1: he's never played a snap for the Rams, I would

526
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Speaker 1: expect Pooka Nakoua not to be around and then that

527
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 1: becomes a big thing. And he's already a polarizing player.

528
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Speaker 1: So I mean, it's part of doing business in the NFL.

529
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: A lot of variables, a lot of moving parts, a

530
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Speaker 1: lot of people have opinions, a lot of egos, a

531
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Speaker 1: lot of you know, people get offended quick with money

532
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: because money's all relative, right, and you know how much

533
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: everyone else is making. So that's something just to keep

534
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: an eye on the contract situation, how they handle McDuffie.

535
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Speaker 1: And remember when they traded for Jalen Ramsey years ago,

536
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Speaker 1: they didn't immediately sign a new extension. It took a

537
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Speaker 1: little time. And remember Jalen was cool with it because

538
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Speaker 1: Jalen's like, I'm like best player in the league. I'm

539
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: gonna get an astronomical amount of money, and he eventually

540
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Speaker 1: did so. I appreciate the Rams they are that trade

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Speaker 1: with the Falcons and the domino effects in which it

542
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Speaker 1: had in a positive nature for their franchise led right

543
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: up to today, because without that, I think it makes

544
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: it a little more complicated. Now they still might do

545
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Speaker 1: this deal. Let's just say, if you know they had

546
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Speaker 1: just taken a player at pick twenty six and there

547
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Speaker 1: was no crazy trade available from the Falcons, maybe they

548
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Speaker 1: do this deal. At anyway, I think it became way

549
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: easier to be like, yeah, take twenty nine, we gotta

550
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Speaker 1: pick thirteen and props the Rams, and props to the

551
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Speaker 1: NFC West, which is gonna just it's gonna be fireworks

552
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Speaker 1: because if they can solidify that defensive backfield DeVante Puca,

553
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: you know, Stafford, I think they by the time we

554
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Speaker 1: get you know, to training camp. Would not shock me

555
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Speaker 1: at all. If the Rams are the betting favorite to

556
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Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl. Now that doesn't you know, the

557
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: Ravens and the Bills going into last season, I think

558
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: we're both like three or four to one to be

559
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Speaker 1: to win the Super Bowl. They had better odds in

560
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Speaker 1: the Chiefs and the Ravens that he make the playoffs

561
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: part of it. The guy missed field goal, but still

562
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: they weren't gonna win the Super Bowl this year. Coach

563
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: got fired, immediately hired, got one hundred million dollars. So

564
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Speaker 1: it's not like his life sucks. But you know what

565
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: I mean. So just awesome trade, awesome, A lot of

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Speaker 1: moving parts here, and like I said, very very appreciative

567
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Speaker 1: to these type guys that just make moves and give

568
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Speaker 1: us something to talk about. Okay, a couple other quick stories.

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Speaker 1: Mike Silver, who I was with last week at the

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Speaker 1: Athletic who is just one thing I appreciate about a

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Speaker 1: lot of people in the NFL. And I can't speak

572
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: to the journals in other sports, but I think what

573
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: makes a great reporter in the NFL are guys that

574
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: have in the NFL is probably easier to develop relationships

575
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Speaker 1: with the coaches in the personnel department than maybe some

576
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: other sports. Could be wrong, but Adam Schefterer knows every

577
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: coach in the NFL rap sheet knows every coach in GM.

578
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: In the NFL, Diana Russini was fucking everybody. Mike Silver

579
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 1: has been at this for decades. He goes back with

580
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: the Walsh and Al Davis and Mike Shanahan days when

581
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: he knew those guys well. But this guy's ability to

582
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: get people's phone numbers, talk to people and get information

583
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: is just it's a skilly has now. The one thing

584
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: with Mike that he's really good at is, you know,

585
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what Mike is late fifties. He can

586
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: booze and hang so like he is a fun hang.

587
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: He can go out with these guys, you know, whether

588
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: he he can just relate to people. He's really good

589
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: at just he's a fun hang and when he writes

590
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: something like he gets good information. He was the guy

591
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: that broke the story about Brandon Ayuk and Mike Silver

592
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: was once famously banned from the Raiders facility. I think

593
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: him and Al Davis used to butt heads, and he

594
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: reported today about the Max Crosby situation. And I think

595
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: at this point in time it's pretty well established that

596
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: Max is ready, and I think the Raiders are okay

597
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: and ready to They do just want to drive up

598
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: the price, like they don't just plan on giving Max away,

599
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: like for a Trent McDuffie package. And I think that

600
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: is spy Tech's biggest hang up here, Like we're not

601
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: just gonna give him away for a first and a third.

602
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: This is not only one of the best players in

603
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: the league like a McDuffie, he's like the highest character.

604
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: His off the field in tangibles are off the charts.

605
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: And he's not a slot corner. He's a pass rusher,

606
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: an every down player who plays as hard maybe as

607
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: anyone in the NFL. He might be the hardest player

608
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: in the NFL in terms of effort for about seven

609
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: straight years that guy. There have been a couple guys

610
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: at least over my time doing this, and it was

611
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: JJ Watt and Aaron Donald. And what made them Hall

612
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: of Fame players is they were more talented than everybody

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00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: and they played harder. I wouldn't say Max has the

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Speaker 1: most talent, Like I don't think he has like Myles

615
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: Garrett physical traits. I wouldn't compare him to like von

616
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,479
Speaker 1: Miller bend. But what he lacks maybe of, like if

617
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: those guys are at ten and he's at like an eight,

618
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: he makes up for of, like he never taking a playoff.

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Speaker 1: Someone in the NFL this year sent me a clip

620
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Speaker 1: late in the season the Raiders were terrible. They're playing

621
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Speaker 1: the Texans, who have won a bunch of games straight

622
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: and one of the hottest teams in the league. Max

623
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: played that game like someone told him, this is a

624
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: last football game you'll ever play in your life. And

625
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Speaker 1: I was texting with Andy Reid a couple of weeks

626
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: ago when I was asking him to come on the

627
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: podcast at the Combine, and then he told me he

628
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 1: had knee surgery wasn't gonna be there. When we started texting,

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Speaker 1: I just said, what do you think about He loves

630
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: Max Crosby just like every coach in the league. I

631
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: think if you went around, especially to offensive coaches, the

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00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: first guy and obviously the Raiders would never trade Max

633
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: to the Chiefs. But my point of saying that is

634
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: the reverence these coaches have for Max Crosby couldn't be

635
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: any higher, the respect in the way he approaches the game.

636
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: And because think about coaches, they spend ninety to one

637
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: hundred hours a week. They have no lives. Mike McDonald

638
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: says he sees his kid for thirty minutes on a Thursday,

639
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: so they're just all football. And you see this guy

640
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: who just is on a shit team for years disastrous situation.

641
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: Every single year he's got a new coach and new

642
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: coordinator and he's just playing like his life depends on it.

643
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: When all any coach wants back to high school, let

644
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: alone the NFL, especially the good ones, guys that really

645
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: give a shit. And the number one thing you'd say

646
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: about Max Crosby, I just don't think he could give

647
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: a shit anymore. Like his care level is like one

648
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: hundred out of one hundred. And obviously his production and

649
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: his play speak for itself. So I've been saying this

650
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: for a while. I saw Albert Briers say today that

651
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: more than a quarter of the league is gonna want

652
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 1: or be very interested in Max, if not more. Well,

653
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: how does a price go from hey, a first, a third,

654
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: and a player too? All of a sudden, we got

655
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: multiple ones for Max Crosby. When you have people bidding

656
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 1: against themselves, it's just basic, you know, it's a basic

657
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: economic transaction. If I threw out a car for fifty grand,

658
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: and one person is willing to pay me forty grand.

659
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: If I want to sell the car, I'm gonna get

660
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: forty grand. But at that same car for fifty grand.

661
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 1: If I have seven people standing there and three of

662
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: them are desperate to get that car. Maybe I could

663
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: end up getting sixty grand for the car. So if

664
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: you got people lined up to trade for him, you

665
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: can start playing them off each other. And it's pretty

666
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: rare that you get in these situations. Like Trent McDuffie

667
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: on the open market. His market was probably a little unique,

668
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: right there. Weren't that many teams lined up to give

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00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: a first and a third round pick for Trent McDuffie

670
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: and then pay him however much money these teams. Think

671
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: of the teams that are interested in Max Crosby, the Rams,

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00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: the Niners, the Bears, the Lions, the Eagle, I'm sure

673
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: the Ravens Tampa, Well you start bidding, Hey, they've offered

674
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: me a one and a three. This happened. I remember

675
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: when the forty nine ers mid season traded for Christian McCaffrey.

676
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: There were two teams willing to trade for Originally the

677
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: Rams offered a two and a four, or maybe it

678
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: was a three and a four. So you know what

679
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers had to do. They had to

680
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: offer a two, a three and a four, and the

681
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: Rams are like, that's a little rich for our taste.

682
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: So what happened. The Niners got them, they had to

683
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: pay more than the rams. Well, and that was just

684
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: two teams. So when you have let's just say it

685
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: comes down to let's say ten teams initially are talking,

686
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: and then as the price kind of gets established, half

687
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: of them drop out, and then when you really coming

688
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: down the stretch you get three teams that are very interested.

689
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: I just don't see how you don't get multiple ones

690
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: for Max Crossby, not when there's a bidding process, which

691
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: they're clearly is going to be in this situation. The

692
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: other part of that story was the Alex Guerrero Tom

693
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: Brady's guy influence in the building. And I don't never

694
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: met Alex. I can't speak to it. Clearly, he enabled

695
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: Tom to play till he was like forty five, and

696
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: he probably could have kept planned, so I can't argue

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00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 1: that he doesn't know what he's doing. I do think

698
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: anytime you get into a situation where someone is viewed

699
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: as like, I don't even want to say a tattletale,

700
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: but just is this guy if I say the wrong

701
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: thing in front of him, will it get back? One time?

702
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: In radio, I'll give you an example. You know, in radio,

703
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: you have all these different program directors, right, so if

704
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: you're at a station, or if you're in a conglomerate

705
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: and they got six stations, when you go to the office,

706
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: there's the program director for the rock station, there's one

707
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: for the conservative news station, there's one for the country station,

708
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: there's one for the sports station. And they're all kind

709
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: of together, and you get to know them all. And

710
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Speaker 1: we have this new program director for R station, and

711
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: he's the biggest bozo idiot I've ever been around in

712
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: my entire professional life. I mean, I got dumber every

713
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: day that I was around the guy. I mean, it

714
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: was It's an experience that I will never forget. If

715
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: you remember Howard Stern used to call his program director

716
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: pig vomit that we used to have a We used

717
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: to call him vegetable lasagna. You can google that. In

718
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: the Seinfeld episode, this guy was just a moron. I mean,

719
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe, like this is my life. And I

720
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 1: remember badmouthing him to another program director, but I didn't

721
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,959
Speaker 1: realize that like that guy immediately went and told him

722
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: what I said, but I didn't realize the connection. It

723
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: turns out that they were golfing buddies in this situation,

724
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: like all the players know that is Tom's guy, and

725
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: my only issue like I don't, I don't. If I

726
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: was Tom, I'd fucking own this team too. If I

727
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: was Tom, I'd live in Florida and play at Baker's

728
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: Bay and hang out at Grove twenty three with MJ

729
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: and live that life. It so I just build one

730
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: hundred million dollar compound. Don't blame at all, do exactly

731
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: what he's doing. But if you want to kind of

732
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: run the football thing, and this is what it makes

733
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: it hard. Like even in that article, like Max likes

734
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: John Spytech, how could you not? John spy Tech is

735
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 1: very impressive. John Spitik's a stud, Tom's stud. But you

736
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: can't be in on football and making decisions if you're

737
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: not around because there's just like a bunker mentality. And

738
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: I listen, I've never been in the military, but I've

739
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: read enough military books. My dad was in it, heard

740
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: him talk. You kind of become bonded with the guy

741
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: next to you because you're just fighting the good fight, right,

742
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: whether it's basic training, whether it's just when you you know,

743
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: fly around the world doing whatever you're doing, and there's

744
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: an element to that with football because you're just always together.

745
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: You spend so much time together. It's like, why is

746
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: your relationship with your brothers and sisters can change you

747
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: get a little older for where things happen. For the

748
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: most part, ideally you have a good relationship with them

749
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: as you get older. Why because even if one's older

750
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: you by a couple of years, you spend a lot

751
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: of time together in your formative years when you were young, right,

752
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: And in football is the same thing. It's why these

753
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: guys are bonded for life because even if you only

754
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: play together for three or four years, the amount of

755
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: hours you spend is more than you would spend in

756
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: that same period of time, like with your significant other.

757
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: And part of football is John Elway did this, Hey,

758
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be the GM. And being the GM is

759
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: different being a minority owner. But John Alway moved to

760
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: Denver or I guess he might have been already living there,

761
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: but he was in the office every day. He was

762
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: a part of the team. Right, So if you're gonna

763
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: do that, like your presence being around really matters. And

764
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: I listen, I do think if Tom's right now, is

765
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: trying to have his cake and eat it too, which

766
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: is under I think a lot of us would in

767
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: his spot. I do think one day he will, if

768
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: he's truly gonna play this role and kind of be

769
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: what Mark Davis has done seated power to him. I

770
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: do think it would help to be in the facility more.

771
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: I really do, because the Guerrero thing. I think it's

772
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: understandable to go. Yeah, players a little uncomfortable because they

773
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: know if they say the wrong thing, it just goes

774
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: back up the chain. And it's one thing. Hey, if

775
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: I say something wrong to my GM or my coach,

776
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: like I'm with him every day, we can discuss it.

777
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: I've seen it for years, like with the forty nine

778
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: ers when deebo would ask for trays and Kyle's like,

779
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: I fucking I've been around Deebou every day for five years.

780
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: So or Trent, I've known him for fifteen years. Yeah,

781
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: it's business, but our relationship we're gonna be okay, We'll

782
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: talk like grown men. We know each other really well.

783
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: How did well do the players on the Raiders know

784
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 1: Tom Brady? How could they know him that well? He's

785
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:43,240
Speaker 1: never around. So I think that it's just a weird

786
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: dynamic that they're battling, which I've always commended Mark Davis,

787
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: like there are medaling owners like Jerry, who's obviously always

788
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 1: around the Cowboys, but it's always hit about him. He's

789
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: making the moves, he's doing whatever. Mark Daves like, Listen,

790
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: I don't pretend to be my dad. I'm not Al Davis.

791
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to pick the players. I don't want

792
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: to run the draft meetings. I want my This is

793
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: why he gave John gruen On a hundred million dollars.

794
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 1: Is why you paid Josh McDaniel's a bunch of money.

795
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: It's why he went to Tom Brady and says, I

796
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: want you to own some of this so you can

797
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: run part of it. I think his heart was in

798
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 1: the right place, but I think in a perfect world,

799
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: even markets, I wish he was around more right to

800
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: really kind of solidify and get the back of my

801
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: coach and GM and the kind of the the heart

802
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: and soul of the facility. It's just difficult when you're

803
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: when you're gone, you know, it's be no different. As

804
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: a parent, I see some of these guys, if you

805
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 1: got like six or seven kids, some of these players

806
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: like six or seven kids with like five different women, like,

807
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: you're just you're never gonna see these kids. How the

808
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: fuck are you gonna raise these guys? It's impossible, you know,

809
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: you're just out of side, out of mind, show up

810
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: sometimes and then FaceTime like I ain't gonna work. You know,

811
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: fucking if my dad would have never been around, I

812
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: would have gotten so much goddamn trouble. When that comment came, well,

813
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 1: your dad's coming home, I was like, buckle up, boy,

814
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: and I listen. I'm not saying that Brady has to

815
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: be like the you know, the Belichick force of being

816
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: the guy dropping the hammer, but I do think his

817
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: presence would go a long way of just being around,

818
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 1: and it doesn't feel like that's gonna happen anytime soon.

819
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: I don't really have much say on the Stefan Diggs situation.

820
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: My overall take, I do think there was just too

821
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: much noise because it does feel like verybel liked him,

822
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: and I know the playing time he has some big

823
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: game for him. Sometimes he wouldn't play. He obviously made

824
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: some huge moments for them throughout the course of the season.

825
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: I just think the off the field stuff throughout the

826
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: course was just it ain't worth it, and Mike is

827
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,439
Speaker 1: much more personable than Bill, but I think they're cut

828
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: from the same cloth of like, yeah, this is this

829
00:43:45,520 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: is not worth the headache. And last but not least,

830
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: Lou Holtz TODA eighty nine passed away and I was

831
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,439
Speaker 1: born in nineteen eighty four. He became the head coach

832
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 1: I think in eighty six. I don't really remember Lou

833
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: Holtz maybe right at the end being the head coach

834
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: at Notre Dame. I remember, actually little Lou Holtz being

835
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: the head coach of South Carolina and obviously a media

836
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: figure who I think he's one of the rare guys

837
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: you know that John Madden, John Gruden, you know, just

838
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: guys that are just all time football guys that just

839
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: the love they had for football was just something that

840
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: you can't fake. Who was I talking to this about

841
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: at the combine? You can't someone that had worked with

842
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: John Gruden. It's like you can't fake what he brings

843
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 1: to the table, you know, like his personality, the way

844
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 1: he is. Derek mentioned it. I was never round John Madden,

845
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: but he's just these guys are one of once. Lou

846
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: Holtz was a one of one. Now obviously the lisp.

847
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: He was a tiny little guy and he swung a

848
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: bit stick. And football has never been more popular. The

849
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: sport has never made more money. It's never been more

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00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: important to the cultural fabric of society, right down from

851
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 1: high school to college to the pros. And there are

852
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: guys back in the day that this and the one

853
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: thing with football it used to be like this. In basketball,

854
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: it's less important now, Like I couldn't point the Oka

855
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: See coach out of the lineup. I have no fucking

856
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: clue who the Spurs coach is now that they used

857
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: to really matter, you know, Phil Jackson's pat Riley types

858
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: does feel like that's kind of coming to an end. Baseball,

859
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: I mean managers making like eight hundred k. I mean

860
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: the running back coach at Florida makes eight hundred k.

861
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: So it shows you the financial you get what you

862
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 1: pay for, Like the GM's run the sport. In football,

863
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: the coaches have always mattered and they still really matter,

864
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: and there are certain individuals in that spot that just

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00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: kind of break through. And the amount of money and

866
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: notoriety and popularity now that comes with being a football

867
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: coach in college or the pros has It's never been

868
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: like this, it's never been bigger. But the sport was

869
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: built on the backs of guys like Lou Holtz. Because

870
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: one he's just you hear him talk, you know exactly

871
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Speaker 1: who it is. Like you close your eyes. I could

872
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: put in your phone into your ear and I could

873
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 1: play you a ten second sound bite and I'd say,

874
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: who said that? And whether you're twenty five and you

875
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: fall football and definitely older than thirty to eighty years old,

876
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: you would know exactly that is Lou Holtz. And I

877
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: obviously he had been sick. He's old. I mean he's

878
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: eighty nine years old. But I think he's one of

879
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: the most important figures in the history of the sport

880
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: when you just factor in the personality. He went one

881
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty and two at Notre Dame, and the

882
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: Notre Dame he took over was not like the Notre

883
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: Dame Marcus Freeman took over when Brian Kelly left. We

884
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: can agree Brian Kelly's an asshole and mailed the n

885
00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: at LSU. He did a really good job at Notre

886
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 1: he had not only had them relevant, like they were

887
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: one of the better programs in the country. And Marcus

888
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: Freeman it looks like it's taken to the next level.

889
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: Lou Holtz took over a disaster and within a couple

890
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: of years they won the national championship again. He won

891
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: over seventy percent of his games, and even he went

892
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: to South Carolina, who was in shambles at the time,

893
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,479
Speaker 1: within a couple of years they went nine to three.

894
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: And I just think that it's a sad day for football,

895
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: but I also think it's a day for football where

896
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: you can smile because we wouldn't be here. You know.

897
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Speaker 1: There are these clips going around some of the legendary

898
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 1: games and the thirty for thirty was Notre Dame against Miami, right,

899
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: was Notre Dame playing these teams back in the eighties.

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00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: Some of these historic players like Rocket Ishmael, Jerome Bettis,

901
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: some of these guys that he had and they were

902
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:52,560
Speaker 1: just I can't speak to what they were way back

903
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: in the day, like Joe Montana Route. They've always been

904
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: a huge brand, but there's a reason that they have.

905
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: They don't join a conference as a ball program and

906
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: just get a massive deal from NBC because if Jerry

907
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 1: Jones could do the same, he would and he would

908
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: get an enormous amount of money, and he would do

909
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: enormous television ratings. That's exactly what Notre dame does and

910
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: a huge part of Notre Dame's lore and popularity and passion.

911
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: Even long after Lou Holtz was done coaching Notre Dame,

912
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: it felt the passion and love he had for that

913
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: program was like part of him. It was deep in

914
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: his soul. And I watched some of the day that

915
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: he got the job in Minnesota in like nineteen eighty four,

916
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: and within a couple of years he had turned around

917
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: that program and he had a clause in there because

918
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: it was different times, playoffs didn't exist, that if they

919
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: made a bowl game, because you had to accept a

920
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: bull offer, he could bolt for one school and one

921
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: school only. He would only leave the program if one

922
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: school called, and that was Notre Dame. And within a

923
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Speaker 1: couple of years, Notre Dame called and I think he

924
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 1: was the coach. Within two days, They's offer him job.

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00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: And obviously the rest speaks for itself, and I would

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Speaker 1: imagine he became you know, definitely in the nineties and

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Speaker 1: two thousands. I mean, he's one of the most famous

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Speaker 1: football guys in America, and it's just a sad day,

929
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Speaker 1: and I would imagine the respect being played by his

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00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: former players the football community. He's just a unique character

931
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Speaker 1: and one thing sports is always going to need because

932
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Speaker 1: this is entertainment. Our characters are people to entertain. And

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Speaker 1: Lou Holtz was a great football coach and he was

934
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Speaker 1: also a great entertainer. And I guess we'll end on that.

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Speaker 1: Ri Ip Lou Holtz The Volume