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Speaker 1: Welcome back one of those live John Murphy Steave Tasker

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Speaker 1: here until three o'clock today. The sad new yesterday, the

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Speaker 1: former Bills defensive end Ben Williams passed away from natural causes.

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Speaker 1: He was sixty five years old. Mainstay on Buffalo's defensive

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Speaker 1: line for ten seasons. We got a former teammate of

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Speaker 1: linebacker Daryl Talley played with the Bills from nineteen eighty

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Speaker 1: three through nineteen ninety four. May two Pro Bowl appearances

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Speaker 1: of his own. He's a member of the Bills Wall

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Speaker 1: of Fame. Darryl Talley joins us. Hello, Darryl, John Murphy

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Speaker 1: Steave task Our from Buffalo. How you doing. How are

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Speaker 1: you guys doing today? Welling good, doing good. Daryl has

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Speaker 1: good to have you on. I gotta give us we

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Speaker 1: had you on because you played with Ben Williams. He

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Speaker 1: passed away yesterday. And what are your remembrances about Ben?

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Speaker 1: What he was a veteran when you showed up in

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Speaker 1: eighty three. Tell us about how he handled you and

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Speaker 1: your interactions with him as a rookie. That is exactly

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Speaker 1: what he did. He handled me, Ben, Ben in Smaway

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Speaker 1: evenly said, look there, you got to go out into

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Speaker 1: he wanted me to go downtown when he took us

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Speaker 1: he took everybody to gigs, so they got to go

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Speaker 1: eat soul food downtown. And he wanted you to get

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Speaker 1: to know the people of the city you were playing for,

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Speaker 1: because he felt that that would give you a little

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Speaker 1: bit more how would you say, a little bit more

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Speaker 1: of the people in the city. You've got to understand

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Speaker 1: how they feel and what they're seeing. And didn't work.

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Speaker 1: It worked, Yeah, it worked. It worked. It worked well

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Speaker 1: for us. I mean we sort of got together. We

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Speaker 1: We maybe with the people in the city, so we

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Speaker 1: like a lot of guys try and separate themselves from

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Speaker 1: We didn't do that. We went out and became part

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Speaker 1: what the people were about and how they were Why

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Speaker 1: do you think that was important to Ben Williams Darrel

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Speaker 1: Did he ever say sense a family? Sense a family togetherness?

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Speaker 1: And he felt that if everybody was pulling our rope

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Speaker 1: the same way, it's all going to be pulling. We're

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Speaker 1: going to go in one direction. We're not going to

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Speaker 1: go in three other different directions. If we're all pulling

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Speaker 1: the same way on that same route. Why did they

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Speaker 1: call him gentle Ben? Because, be honest with you, Judy

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Speaker 1: looked at you, and he looked If you looked at Ben,

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Speaker 1: you would say he wasn't that great. He didn't look

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Speaker 1: like he was a great athlete. But he hit you

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Speaker 1: He's like a grizzly beard grabbing you. He hit you,

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Speaker 1: He was a really tricky character. He's really crafty. With

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Speaker 1: Darryl Talley, former Bills linebacker, former teammate of Ben Williams

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Speaker 1: and Darrel, I was trying to I was talking to

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Speaker 1: Steve earlier this hour about Ben Williams and you said that,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not saying he wasn't he wasn't fat,

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Speaker 1: he wasn't cut, he wasn't spelled, and he played you

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Speaker 1: that defense, which is a strict three four defense. Right,

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Speaker 1: it was a lot different than three four defenses that

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Speaker 1: the way did Ben use his hands. He used his

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Speaker 1: the way he used to tile Friz of Liman's hansa

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Speaker 1: Williams was the first African American football player at Old Miss. Um, yes,

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Speaker 1: was a lot of different issues that he had to

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Speaker 1: showed us how to deal with a lot of issues

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Speaker 1: this issue, this issue still comes up in Relationshi, we

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Speaker 1: just talked about it before you came on. The league

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Speaker 1: black coaches have a chance to advance to coordinators to

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Speaker 1: head coaches to gms. What do you think about the

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Speaker 1: strides the NFL is at least trying to make and

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Speaker 1: where they've come from. I'm exceptually proud of them for

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Speaker 1: Just on she's been around when I was there, that's all.

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Speaker 1: But you know, things to come, things come with time,

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Speaker 1: and everything over time gets better. It doesn't always get worse.

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Speaker 1: doing things for the better. Guys are starting to come around,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's a huge thing for us being players,

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Speaker 1: because if we can't talk to each other and learn

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Speaker 1: who else are we going to turn to? Rely with

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Speaker 1: Darryl Tatley, former Bills linebacker. Hey, Daryl, I know you

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Speaker 1: do follow the team pretty closely, and we've been pretty

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Speaker 1: amazing the last couple of months, this offseason, since the draft,

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Speaker 1: think of all that discussion? No doubt, no doubt. I honestly,

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Speaker 1: here's one thing I can say. When I first met

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Speaker 1: I asked him a few questions. The man has done

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Speaker 1: and I mean, it was funny, it's funny to see

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Speaker 1: following because the guys he's got a good plan. What

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Speaker 1: you know, because I was asking questions. I asked, I said,

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Speaker 1: going to be a beast. And Darrell, normally we'd know

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Speaker 1: and this is this is the kind of season that

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Speaker 1: you and like, like, any Bills fan is gonna want

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Speaker 1: to see some games. It's kind of the driving your

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Speaker 1: up here and see some Bills games. At this point, anyone,

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Speaker 1: there's only so much. So many times you can watch

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Speaker 1: Netflix and Hulu, right, Guys like playing a game and

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Speaker 1: what he did do, start almost like watching games come

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Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, Darrell, see you've seen you know the

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Speaker 1: Bills drafted their guys. This year started with a j

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Speaker 1: to affect the team. What you just what are your expectations?

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Speaker 1: Maybe not, you know, in the in the small picture

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Speaker 1: and it strikes me how you were sort of a

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Speaker 1: I mean Ben Williams and you mentioned Im Sherman White,

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Speaker 1: Phil Villipiano. Those guys won, they won AFC East titles,

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Speaker 1: of Bill's football ball. Yeah. I actually learned from those guys.

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Speaker 1: That's like I said, I had. There's very good mentors

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Speaker 1: When you get to the NFL, you're just sitting there,

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Speaker 1: have to do. You have to do this to this,

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Speaker 1: to this, oh, to a lot of guys who it

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Speaker 1: and come in quickly. Daryl, thanks for coming on, man,

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Speaker 1: it's great here from you. Thanks for giving us a

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Speaker 1: little bit of information on Ben Williams, former Buffalo Bill

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Speaker 1: passing away. It's great talking with you and we always

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Speaker 1: love having you on. All right, no problem about talking

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Speaker 1: to you every day. I'll talk to you getting in

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Speaker 1: the tank. Stevy, Hey, all right, man, talk to you later.

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Speaker 1: Joel Talley, former Bill's linebacker, former teammate of Ben Williams,

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Speaker 1: Bill's defensive end, who passed away yesterday tragically at the

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Speaker 1: age of sixty five.