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Speaker 1: today's podcast. First of all, I just have to say

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Speaker 1: I feel so much gratitude to this podcast and for

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Speaker 1: you guys for listening and giving me this opportunity to

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Speaker 1: The order I get, the more I just want to

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Speaker 1: sit with people who have been on this earth longer

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Speaker 1: about life. I don't know if anyone else feels that way,

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Speaker 1: but I think for me, part of this is just

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Speaker 1: because I'm starting to realize how much of life truly

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Speaker 1: is about the journey. We always hear that, but I'm

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Speaker 1: really starting to believe it. And that's all it is.

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Speaker 1: It's the ups and the downs, the things that shape

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Speaker 1: Chip and Eyed words for the year. But I kept

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Speaker 1: that balance feels a little bit like something we're missing

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Speaker 1: incredibly well. Normacabally is responsible for things like popularizing shoulder

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Speaker 1: She actually even said that finding your purpose is the

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Speaker 1: We talked about the power of aging, and as a

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Speaker 1: And then just this simple reminder that life is always

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Speaker 1: higher purpose. Always. I had to bring this conversation back

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Speaker 1: for those of you who may not have heard it,

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Speaker 1: and maybe for those of you who could listen again.

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Speaker 1: And here's some other little nuggets that may help you

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Speaker 1: on your journey today. MSK Molly is most definitely full

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Speaker 1: of those. Here's our conversation conversations on life, style, beauty

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Speaker 1: and relationships. It's The Velvet's Edge podcast with Kelly Henderson.

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Speaker 1: Norma Camally is here. I was just telling you I'm

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Speaker 1: such a big fan of your work. If you knew

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Speaker 1: how many pieces of your designs that I have in

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Speaker 1: the perfect fit for this interview. Please, yes, yes, And

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Speaker 1: we were just talking. You were also a cancer son

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Speaker 1: now you're you're not you know, you're not naive in

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Speaker 1: the in the way you were when you were in

433
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:16,479
Speaker 1: your twenties and thirties. You're you're more savvy, and you

434
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 1: can negotiate for yourself to you can you know, you

435
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: know what it is you want and you can do it.

436
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: And the thing is making sure you're living up to

437
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: your dream your goals and thinking about what that is

438
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: and being clear about it so that you don't meander

439
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: and you just stay in that road. Sometimes there's adjustments,

440
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: but really being clear about your purpose and what you're

441
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: meant to be doing in this lifetime. Yeah, I love

442
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: that my best friend always says when she turned forty

443
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: was the moment she decided, I have to start really

444
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: taking a bet and believing in myself or else no

445
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: one else is going to you, that's right. And her

446
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: entire career shifted. And now five years later, I see

447
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: her just thriving, and I look forward to that and

448
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: that moment, you know, like, I'm really trying to lean

449
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 1: in right now to okay, you're right, Like I am

450
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: figuring out who I am and what my brand is

451
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: and what I want to stand for, and I'm going

452
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: to start taking a bet on myself in order to

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00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: to maintain UM. So when you on your journey you

454
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: said that you haven't sold, you haven't brought in other people.

455
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: Was there a moment where you were offered that option?

456
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: Did it seem enticing ever or what? Why did you

457
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: decide to stay on your own? Well? It was always enticing,

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00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: especially when I have no money, right think? Um? And

459
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: you know there were fashion shows are you know, excruciatingly

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00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: expensive and um and that's the way designers show their collections.

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00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: And I couldn't afford to do a fashion show. I

462
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: did a few, but I couldn't afford when I. When

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Speaker 1: I had the license agreement, I had an incredibly huge budget,

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Speaker 1: and even then I didn't want to do fashion shows.

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Speaker 1: So I did films UM that I still loved that UH,

466
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Speaker 1: that were really sort of almost like sex in the City,

467
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: little twenty minute films showing a collection, and I thought

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Speaker 1: that that was going to be the thing that took

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Speaker 1: over fashion shows. But I was wrong. But I couldn't.

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Speaker 1: But for most of my life I couldn't afford to

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Speaker 1: do fashion shows, and so I had to be creative

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Speaker 1: about the way I did things. And then there were

473
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: times where advertising in these big budgets were really critical

474
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: in the way designers got recognition, and there were offers

475
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: UM that were very, very enticing. I I did licenses

476
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: in Europe and in Asia, and that was a form

477
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: of income, a sort of partnership, but not not really

478
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: like somebody owning part of your business. And I always

479
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: in the end decided, you know what, I rather live

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00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: a creative life UM and have free will more than anything.

481
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: That's really what's important to me. So I chose that.

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00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: And I also chose to stay in the background and

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00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: not be a celebrity designer UM because I felt that

484
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: first of all. I still feel that way that my

485
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: clothes are really the important thing and the people wearing them.

486
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: That combination is thrilling from me. And so I didn't

487
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: want to be out front. And I think that served

488
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: me well too, because it's very easy to get tired

489
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: of celebrities and tired of designers, and I think I

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00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: would have gone in the waistpin with a lot of

491
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Speaker 1: other people along the way. But being in the background

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00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: and um, lasting fifty five years, I think there's a

493
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Speaker 1: lot to do that. That's the path I chose, where

494
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: I was quieter, doing my thing and letting everybody else

495
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: shine and um and when my clothes are worn, I

496
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: love it. I love I love seeing everybody. I love

497
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: seeing people who are not famous and host on Instagram

498
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: and look amazing. And I'm seeing the range of clients

499
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: I have, and I love seeing celebrities where my clothes

500
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: too and sort of create this other magic that happens

501
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: in those situations. Yeah, and that's what I That's one

502
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: of the things I love about your brand. Not only

503
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: are your designs so unique, and you're actually credited with

504
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: things like making the shoulder pad popular in the eighties,

505
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: I mean huge fashion statements, and you know, now we

506
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 1: can see Sara Jessica Parker still wearing your stuff on

507
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: this new Sex and the City reboot. But for us

508
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: normal people, the items are affordable and they're very attainable

509
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: for a normal lifestyle, which is something that I've always

510
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: so greatly appreciated because a girl who just wants to

511
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: look cool and feel good can still, you know, attain

512
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: these items and it's not so out of reach for

513
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: us regular folk, which is so exciting. I to me,

514
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: there very important parts of what I do. One is

515
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: I want the clothes to be timeless. My sleeping bad

516
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: coat is still on in my collection I did in

517
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four out of my sleeping bag. That coat

518
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: is still a hot style. It's inspired a lot of

519
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: a lot of other big puffy coats, and so timeless

520
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: style is really important to me. Fit and quality are

521
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: important and affordable. I feel that talent and design does

522
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: not have to be expensive. If if I'm creative, I

523
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: should be able to make clothes that are fun to wear,

524
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: that can last forever in your wardrobe, that don't have

525
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: to be dry clean, that you can wash them. Dry

526
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: cleaning is a no no for me. It's like feeding

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Speaker 1: a dog. You know, you get a dog and then

528
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,720
Speaker 1: you keep feeding it and feeding it. Well, address should

529
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 1: not have to be subsidized. I mean, you just wash

530
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: it and done so. I think being practical about fashion

531
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: gives people the freedom to have fun with it and

532
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: that it's not precious and it wasn't so expensive, and

533
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: that you can wash it if it gets dirty, so

534
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: you can sit on the floor, you can. We women

535
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: are much more versatile in the way they use their

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00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: bodies and the way we behave and so I you know,

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00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: I'm on the floor half the day fitting and doing things.

538
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: I I'm a very active person. I work out. I

539
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: like to do physical things. I don't want my clothes

540
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: to be so precious that I can't wear this to

541
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: an event an evening or work out in it. I

542
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: want to be able to do both. And I think

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00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: that's what modern clothes should be about. It's so funny

544
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: that you mentioned those two examples, because I have one

545
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: of your jumpsuits. It's this velvet jump suit with this

546
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,479
Speaker 1: cute belt, and I wear it to cocktail parties a lot,

547
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: and it's always a hit. I mean it's got these pockets.

548
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: Everyone is constantly like where where did you get that?

549
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: I wear it with a pair of lubetons, or I

550
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: could wear it to the gym because it's so comfortable

551
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: and so cute that I can make it, you know,

552
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: street worth throwing a pair of an Adidas shoe and

553
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: walk down the street. And it's so versatile, which I

554
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 1: feel with all of your designs, and there's things that

555
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: I could wear all the time. And UM, like you said,

556
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 1: I just feel like that is such an important piece

557
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: of fashion, especially for you know, the people listening. I

558
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: know I appreciate fashion so much, but I also needed

559
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: to be practical for my life. You know what's interesting

560
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: is UM, you're talking about UM Surer Jessy Parker and

561
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: UM and their new show and UM. At the beginning

562
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: of the show, I saw some of my vintage pieces

563
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: there and I thought, that's funny that there that she's

564
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: wearing vintage now. And and then there was a photograph

565
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: of her wearing the stress we called the Diana dress,

566
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: and how she looked. She looked amazing in it, and

567
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: she looked modern, and she looked powerful in her age

568
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: and her everything. And we have been struggling to I mean,

569
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: we're making so many of those dresses before that, and

570
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: the supply chain issue, and we figured out a strategy

571
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: of how we're going to fill all these orders because

572
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: it's been a very popular dress, and increasingly through COVID

573
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 1: it even became more popular. And then we figure it

574
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: out and I see this picture and it's on the internet,

575
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, what are we gonna do?

576
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: And so, by some strange twist of fate, we decided

577
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: to just in just in fabric and a few colors,

578
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 1: and one of the colors was that blue. And so

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00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: the dress is very interesting because I did it in

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00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy three and it was a different fabric and

581
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: and it was very popular and I made it. You

582
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: know that it didn't have a body suit inside the

583
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: way the new one has. And then I did it

584
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: again in the eighties a little different, different fabric, did

585
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: very well, And when I decided to do it again,

586
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: I thought, I need to put the body suit in

587
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: so there's real comfort and this you don't have to

588
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: think about anything. And then seeing all of the body types,

589
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: pregnant women, everybody wearing the dress and thinking, oh my god,

590
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: incredible that such a diverse group of women and girls

591
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: and body types and everything, and it was just so

592
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: wonderful to see. And then coincidentally, on Valentine's Day, I

593
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: bumped into Sara Jasica Parker at a restaurant and we

594
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: had a great conversation about the dress and she's she

595
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: wears my clothes, um two for other things too, so uh,

596
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: we talked about the power of aging and how you

597
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: present yourself in that power physically to not just you know,

598
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: the attitude of it, but um, she's got a tremendous

599
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: opportunity in that shell too, highlight the power of aging.

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00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: And I and I we had a conversation about it,

601
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: and I think we'll probably have more, but but it

602
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: was really it was great to see her, especially after

603
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: the whole carry dress thing. Oh yeah, Well, let's talk

604
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: a little bit about the power are of aging because

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00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 1: that was one of the parts of your story now

606
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: that you I love this mission that you're bringing to

607
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: women of just owning your age and aging gracefully and

608
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: all of the power in that. And I hear so

609
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 1: much of that in your story and how you've really

610
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: embraced your journey. What would you say to women who

611
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: are just sitting here like I'm sitting here and going, oh,

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00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: you know, I'm turning forty. And there's so much that's

613
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: changed in my life the last three years, and in

614
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: so many ways, I've convinced myself that that means that

615
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: I'm a failure or like, oh god, it's too late,

616
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 1: you know those mentalities, And I mean, I'm turning forty.

617
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: So I love that you're laughing. This is great, So

618
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: tell me why, tell us why, because I want to

619
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 1: know what you've learned. So um, I think this is

620
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: an important part of my communication with women, and and

621
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: and I'm really serious about this. I at sixty five,

622
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: I met my soul mate. I wasn't ready for him

623
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:14,439
Speaker 1: before my friend the astrologer told me in v that

624
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: I would meet my soul mate in my sixties, and

625
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: I said, should I split my wrist? Now? What do

626
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: you think to make you don't know what you're talking about? Yea,

627
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: da da da da. I had boyfriends along the way,

628
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: but I chose the dreg of life because the truth

629
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 1: is I wasn't ready for a real relationship yet. I

630
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: was still developing, and I had stuff to do, my stuff, right,

631
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: I had stuff to take care of. Now I'm not saying,

632
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: wait till you're sixty five, then it'll be great. It's

633
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: different for everyone. So you cannot like at thirty when

634
00:41:55,320 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: we're all saying, what the hell life is passing me by?

635
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god, and we're all crying because life is

636
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 1: passing us by. That's the Saturn return, that's saying it's

637
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: not the same for everybody. This is a transformation that's different.

638
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: So relationships, the relationship part of our growth and evolution

639
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: is different for all of us. And I didn't think

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00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: I was going to meet a pal make I really,

641
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: I just thought it was other people had it. And

642
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: I was actually okay because my friendships were great, and

643
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: you know, I was dating interesting people and as long

644
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: as I wasn't thinking about marrying them, they could be

645
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Speaker 1: stupid if they had to be or whatever. I'm I'm like,

646
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: all right, whatever. But um and I had great adventures,

647
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: I have to say. But the development, our development to

648
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: each decade is so important. The growth and development and

649
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: the focus on your purpose is the key. So I,

650
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: like I said, I knew I wanted a creative life.

651
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: I knew it, always knew it. I wanted a creative

652
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: life and I didn't want people telling me how to

653
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: be creative, and so the choices I made and the

654
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: decisions I made were based on that right. So I

655
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: did not take partners, I did not take investors. I

656
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: did licenses because I still owned my own company, but

657
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: I didn't have partners. And those choices were made because

658
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: I understood what was important to me and my moral fiber,

659
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: what who I wanted to be. And I think, I'm

660
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: sure you know what that purpose is. Maybe you don't

661
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: have it sort of smoothed out and perfect, but you

662
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: know intuitively what that is. And you have to keep

663
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 1: that straight ahead of you so that the decisions you make,

664
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: choices you make about your brand and how you develop

665
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 1: it are really made with the core of who you are.

666
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: When you feel like you're on the path for that

667
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: and you love yourself right, when you understand self love,

668
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: that's when that person who is going to love you

669
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: comes into your life, because before you identify who you are,

670
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: what your purpose is, and loving yourself, a lot of

671
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 1: us don't really love ourselves in the way we should,

672
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 1: so we attract people who don't really love us either.

673
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: They play us, they heard us, They do things self

674
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: in a self serving way. They see our weaknesses, they

675
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: play into them. I have stories. We all have stories,

676
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: but I have like lots of stories because older than

677
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: you are. But but the point is, it took me

678
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: to six to deal with some issues that had to

679
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: do with relationships, family relationships. Those those one that the

680
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: toxic family relationships that had me locked in. When I

681
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: dealt with that, I was sixty five, and it took

682
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: that long for me to show love to myself and

683
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: then to attract somebody who's going to love me in

684
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: that way. So there's a lot of work to do.

685
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: Many people can do this faster than I did, so

686
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to depress everybody. But the point being,

687
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: I also understood that I learned in the eighties when

688
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 1: my friends were diing of ads, that healthy lifestyle was

689
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: so critical to the immune system. And and so I

690
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 1: sought out um people who were you know, Andrew wild

691
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: is one of them, a lot of these people who

692
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: were early innovators in this practice in this world, and

693
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: I studied with them, and i UM, I studied with

694
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: Horse who developed the veta, and I really became a

695
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: student of healthy lifestyle. And I decided to adopt that

696
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: for me. UM so that I could feel good in

697
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: my body that I could feel good about aging. So

698
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: I have lines on my face I have, I'm I

699
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: show my age, even though people say, oh, you don't

700
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: look your age, and I'm like, yeah, I do look

701
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: my age. I am an example of my age because

702
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: this is an example of what sevent can look like.

703
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: But it's it's loving yourself. So you eat properly, you

704
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: sleep properly, you do things, you work out, and you

705
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: take care of your body. That's also self love. And

706
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: if you can do that, aging feels powerful because my

707
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: mind has all of this information for all the years

708
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: of experience I have, so I can share it with

709
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: people and I can use it for new projects I'm

710
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: working on. Well, speaking of those new projects, let's talk

711
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 1: about the Wellness Cafe, because I think what you just

712
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: touched on about our immune systems and so much of

713
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: that has come up with COVID obviously, but when I

714
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: look at you, I'm like, Wow, you are showing such

715
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: a great example of something at seventy six, what seventies

716
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: six can look like. And the peace and calm and

717
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 1: just your demeanor even is so something that I would

718
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: want to strive to. And so what what have you

719
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: brought or what are you bringing to other people with

720
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: this wellness cafe, and what are the lessons that you've

721
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: learned to get there? So I initially did the wellness

722
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: Cafe um after nine eleven because I realized after nine

723
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: eleven everybody's immune system would have a certain um tension

724
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: and that to compensate for that, there would have to

725
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: be a reckoning with lifestyle, and that eating properly and

726
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: understand ending what fitness and you know the three pillars

727
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: of the healthy lifestyle, sleep, diad ex sercise what that means.

728
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: And so I invited people to come speak. Uh. It

729
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 1: was a place where we had films and like minded

730
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 1: people came out of the woodwork, and I started to

731
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: bring in products that would be for instance, if you're

732
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,399
Speaker 1: going to brush your teeth, there's a lot of controversy

733
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: around toothpaste, right there's sugar and toothpaste chemicals and foothpases.

734
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 1: So I found a tooth soap that also pulled bacteria

735
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: out of your system. And we know gut health is

736
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,280
Speaker 1: very important, and that was like, oh, this is a

737
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: great thing to do in a mouth wash that alkaline

738
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: your system. While it was a mouth washing. So I

739
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: started to UM find all of these very interesting choices

740
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: that were immune boosters, and then UM the Wellness Cafe

741
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 1: became a bigger part of other projects I was working on,

742
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: and then finally, through COVID, I decided to put the

743
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: Wellness Cafe up on our website and put up some

744
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: of the mainstay products that I use every day of

745
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: my life. And what I've learned is the latest flavor

746
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:26,439
Speaker 1: of the month of new thing that's going to make

747
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: you look twenty years younger, whatever, thinner, and all of

748
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: this crazy shit is just crazy shit. It's not real.

749
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: It's some of it could be good, but timeless ingredients work.

750
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: And I have road tested these things and I believe

751
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: in them so that I still use them and I

752
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: will continue to use them, and I'm sharing them with everybody.

753
00:50:55,360 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: And so if you go to Normal Life UM and

754
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: the Wellness Cafe, you'll see them. And they're really worth trying.

755
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: They're really so valuable in that they not only boost

756
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: your immune system, but they make you feel good and

757
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: look good right away. Anything that's gonna work, And and

758
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 1: Stephen Gundry and I have this conversation, if it's gonna work,

759
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna work right away. You don't have to wait

760
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: two weeks to see if the wrinkle goes away. You

761
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: don't have to wait a month to see if whatever

762
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: it is it's gonna work. It's gonna work. And I

763
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: think that's really what people need to understand is try something,

764
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: if it works, be loyal to it. You don't have

765
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: to jump around, you don't have to have a drawer

766
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: full of products that are in a graveyard of things

767
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 1: you're never going to use again. Be realistic about timeless

768
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: ingredients because they're timeless for a reason, right, they work.

769
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:08,240
Speaker 1: So I UM, I have had a lot of experience

770
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: and searching for these things. I've spent a lot of

771
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: time in olive orchards UM learning about the value of

772
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: olive oil and UM the value of t These are

773
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,879
Speaker 1: two things that are inside outside right, you can use

774
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: them both internally and externally. And so I've made products

775
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 1: using UM these ingredients, and I also UH source products

776
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 1: I have. There's a product called green Vibrance, which is

777
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: a powder, a green powder I use and it's packed

778
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: packed with nutrition and it's an old school powder. I

779
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: mean that it's like from the seventies. But they are

780
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 1: a couple, a great couple bought the company about ten

781
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: years ago and they sort of upgraded everything and the

782
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: the ingredients are fantastic and um and if you have

783
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: that every day, it's like, you know, it's great for

784
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: every cell in your body, for your hair, your eyes,

785
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 1: your bones, everything, And so all of these things can

786
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: add to this little regimen that you put together for yourself.

787
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: And when you feel different and you see that you

788
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:42,360
Speaker 1: look different, why not buy into it and and treat

789
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: yourself that way without it being a big twelve step

790
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: or deal. Right. Yeah, I love that you guys can

791
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: go find all these products are the Wellness Cafe enormous website.

792
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: It's Normacamali dot com. Um. I'm just such a fan

793
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,760
Speaker 1: of you. I'm such a fan of yours signs in general.

794
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: But now I'm learning more about you as a person

795
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: and just this aging with power. I'm so grateful that

796
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: you're bringing that to women, because I feel like the

797
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: pressure that we put on ourselves to hit certain mall markers,

798
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 1: you know, like by thirty you should be married. And

799
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: I love hearing that you met your soul made at

800
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: sixty five, because that's when you actually knew yourself and

801
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: everyone's journey is just so different and that's what we

802
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: should lean into. That's where the true power is. So

803
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: tell people where else they can keep up with you. Well, um,

804
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: you can follow me on Instagram and see what's going on.

805
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: You know, Kelly, I have a question for you. Sure

806
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: what So what is your brand? You know? That is

807
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 1: so interesting that you asked, because as you were speaking

808
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: about that, um, he said to me, I think you

809
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: know what your brand is. And I when I've mentioned

810
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: the last three years, a lot of it shifting, it has,

811
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: and so much of it was really heavy fashion based

812
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: and outer beauty based. And part of what I do

813
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: believe I'm meant to bring to this world, just like

814
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: we were saying before, is really looking at the insides

815
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: and the internal beauty and um, just the feelings and

816
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: being okay and comfortable in our feelings and of ourselves.

817
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: And so that is what I want my brand to

818
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 1: become because I'm very comfortable speaking about those things and

819
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: I didn't really realize how rare that was until now. So, um,

820
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: that's what I'm shifting towards. Very good. That's great. I

821
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: think you know, the more you talk about what that

822
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: brand is, the more you'll find yourself formulating it and

823
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: seeing it come to light. So I think it's important

824
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:55,280
Speaker 1: that you talk about it and and um and see

825
00:55:55,400 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: people's reactions and and get feedback with that a lot

826
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: times taking a concept and then of course never forgetting

827
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: what you know self, love what it is. You know,

828
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: what is your purpose? How do you see your purpose?

829
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: Obviously nurturing is you know, part of the our characteristics,

830
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: but what is your purpose? So that you stay on

831
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: point with it, um, and then you know it'll happen

832
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: very quickly too, because it's a it's amazing as you

833
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:34,280
Speaker 1: get forty, I remember thirty nine to forty really well,

834
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: like I remember thirty really well too, and all of

835
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: a sudden it goes it's like a yeah, And so

836
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: you need to be very active about it. You need

837
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,919
Speaker 1: to be very put a lot of energy into it.

838
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: Don't waste any don't waste a minute on distractions. That's

839
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: really good advice because of the amazing A lot of

840
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: minutes on distractions. I'll do that not now, yeah, so

841
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 1: now you can't. So basically, when you figured out what

842
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: you wanted your brand to be, you just started talking

843
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: about it and staying true to it did you write

844
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: it down somewhere and then start speaking about it to people,

845
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: or how did that work? So in my case, I

846
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: had my business right and um, and so I went

847
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: through and I've had the same business, but obviously the

848
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: business can't stay the same. So every time I am

849
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: thinking of a new idea or a new direction, it's

850
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: I I I have to make a leap. I have

851
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: to invest in myself, right, I have to make make

852
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: changes or do something different, just like you're going to

853
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: be doing and in the problem success of doing that,

854
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: I need to sound off right. I need to talk

855
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 1: to people. Sometimes it can be a confidence sometimes it

856
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: could be an astrologer. Quite frankly, Um. For me, my

857
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: astrologer was super helpful, um, because I've known her for

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Speaker 1: so long and she would give me good feedback, and

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Speaker 1: I would talk to her about what I was thinking about,

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Speaker 1: and she would she would clue me into timing. She

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Speaker 1: would clue me into be careful of people you meet

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Speaker 1: right now, or things like that. So I treasure the

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Speaker 1: help I've gotten through astrology, even though all those years

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Speaker 1: people would make fun of me if I asked them

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Speaker 1: their sign, like cooky, you're so funny. Yeah, all right, um,

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Speaker 1: but but I would use if you if you feel

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Speaker 1: good about your astrologer, I would use that person. And

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Speaker 1: then there are people who are wise that you know.

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Speaker 1: There are people or that you don't even know I've

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Speaker 1: made I call people today that I don't know that

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Speaker 1: are doing something that I think is really fantastic and

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Speaker 1: I want to learn about I want to know about it. Um.

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Speaker 1: And I've learned so much from total strangers that become friends.

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Speaker 1: So you have to not be shy about that either.

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Speaker 1: So what if they say no and they don't, like,

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Speaker 1: what are you losing? You're not losing anything, But you

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Speaker 1: have to sort of just go for it and and

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Speaker 1: reach out. Somebody's doing something or feel like you can

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Speaker 1: call me or send me, you know, like you know what,

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Speaker 1: heads up, I have a question, asking the question, tell

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Speaker 1: you what I'm thinking, You get feedback. Nobody Nobody will

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Speaker 1: say no. I promise you they don't. They don't. People

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Speaker 1: want to help people, but you have to, like I

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Speaker 1: learned to tell my story to get help. That's now

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Speaker 1: you need to just this is what I'm thinking. What

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Speaker 1: kind of feedback? Get asked questions? But it doesn't have

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Speaker 1: to be girlfriends that you're asking, and this has to

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Speaker 1: be you want to get. You want to get different

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Speaker 1: feedback from people in the know, and they may come

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Speaker 1: up with ideas and suggestions that you didn't even think about.

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Speaker 1: That just are opportunities that are great. So you have

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Speaker 1: nothing to lose now because you have a brand. It's

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Speaker 1: not you're not thirty five, right, You're you have a brand.

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Speaker 1: So now make it happen and be aggressive about it.

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Speaker 1: Make calls, talk to people, reach out, ask somebody who

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Speaker 1: knows somebody. Hey, you know, I'd love to meet that person.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to ask him a few questions. Would you

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Speaker 1: mind doing the introduction? Mm hmm. Nothing to lose, that's

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Speaker 1: gonna be. That's gonna go in my mirror. Nothing to lose,

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Speaker 1: ask the question true, that's true, that is here. So

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Speaker 1: that's and that's it's a lot of fun too, it

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Speaker 1: really is. I'm gonna trust you on that one until

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Speaker 1: I believe it myself. Right, try it, okay, I will.

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Speaker 1: I will. Thank you so much. Thank you such a

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Speaker 1: joy and such a gift for me to have this

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Speaker 1: conversation for so many reasons. But I really appreciate you

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Speaker 1: being here. I hope you guys go check out Norma

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Speaker 1: It's Norma Camali dot com. And then on Instagram you're

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Speaker 1: at Norma Camali. Correct. Okay, thank you so much again.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Kelly, good luck to keep in touch. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Thanks for listening to The Velvet's Edge podcast

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Speaker 1: with Kelly Henderson, where we believe everyone has a little

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