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Speaker 1: Hi everyone. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford. He is the one and only

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Speaker 1: West Hodkowitz. We're coming to you here from our studios

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Speaker 1: at lambeau Field and West. The bye week is here

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Speaker 1: for the Green Bay Packers. It is Week eleven. Quick

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Speaker 1: programming note, this will actually be our final unscripted show

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Speaker 1: for this week. Wes and I. We still have some

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Speaker 1: work to do, but we're going to try to do

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Speaker 1: it out of the office and not have to come

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Speaker 1: into the office. You're going to Barbados. What are you talking? Yeah, sure, yeah, right, um.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, we will be back after this show. We

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Speaker 1: will be back next Monday with resuming our usual five

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Speaker 1: shows a week leading up to that all important Packers

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Speaker 1: road trip to San Francisco. But right now it is

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Speaker 1: the bye week. The players are off for the rest

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Speaker 1: of the week. The Packers coaching staffs, interestingly, Matt Lafleur

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Speaker 1: talked on Monday about how their bye week project is

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Speaker 1: essentially too game plan for the other guys. The offensive

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Speaker 1: coaches are going to look at the defensive film like

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Speaker 1: they're going to put together a plan to try to

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Speaker 1: beat them and the defensive coaches are going to do

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Speaker 1: the same thing, looking at the Packers offensive film, a

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Speaker 1: form of self scouting to try to get to the

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Speaker 1: bottom of some of these things are what opponents are

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Speaker 1: looking at in terms of where some weaknesses are, some

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Speaker 1: things that the coaches want to shore up when they

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Speaker 1: get the players back from the break. Yeah, it can

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Speaker 1: be very illuminating to do that kind of stuff. You know.

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy always called it across the hall meetings that

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Speaker 1: they would do with their self ressessment, self reviews. So

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Speaker 1: I would imagine and I was anticipating that they were

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Speaker 1: going to do something like that with Matt Lafleur and

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Speaker 1: Mike Petton. Why it's so interesting with these two particular

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Speaker 1: sides though, Is it even just because of Okay, how

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Speaker 1: the game film has gone. It's because they've been practicing

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Speaker 1: against each other going back to May, so seeing where

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Speaker 1: those teams and offenses that have evolved, who's picked up

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Speaker 1: certain concepts better than others. Where things are now five

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Speaker 1: six months after the installation period. I always find this

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Speaker 1: to be a very fascinating time to be able to

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Speaker 1: go back and a lot of times when they come

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Speaker 1: out of the break, you see some adjustments. They don't

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Speaker 1: always have to be Clay Matthews moving to inside lineback

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Speaker 1: or something that is drastic as that, but you do

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Speaker 1: see subtle changes, sudden personnel that are emphasized, different concepts

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Speaker 1: that are maybe emphasized or de emphasized. So it's an

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Speaker 1: important time to be able to obviously rest the mind.

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Speaker 1: You know, you don't want to push yourself too hard because,

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Speaker 1: as Jamal Williams said in the locker room on Monday,

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Speaker 1: they're planning to play through February here, so this is

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Speaker 1: like the last little rest bit before you get into

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Speaker 1: that big run. But at the same time also being

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Speaker 1: cognizant of where you are and what you're doing. So

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Speaker 1: when the players come back into the building on Monday,

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Speaker 1: you put forth a plan that's not only going to

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Speaker 1: get you through these next six weeks, but could really

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Speaker 1: potentially propel you into a postseason. Yeah. I guess one advantage,

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Speaker 1: if there is an advantage to having a bye week

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Speaker 1: this sort of self scouting process. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: film in the vault. You've got ten games in uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, in the film room to go over as

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Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to see if there are any adjustments.

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing there will be some adjustments, but they won't

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Speaker 1: necessarily be noticeable to us in terms of what the

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Speaker 1: But before we get any further though, West, We've got

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Speaker 1: to talk about this Monday night football game, and if

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Speaker 1: it's funny, I want to use this to pivot into

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Speaker 1: this because I was watching parts of that game last night,

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Speaker 1: and as we talked about on yesterday's show, San Francisco

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Speaker 1: better example of Okay, if you could get eight week

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Speaker 1: four is exactly what I think I saw in that

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Speaker 1: Now next week we can play with anybody, and then

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Speaker 1: the Packers Baltimore, New Orleans. But at the end of

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Speaker 1: neither one wanted to grab that brass ring, and eventually

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Speaker 1: it turned up to be Seattle's game. Well that was

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Speaker 1: It was just a crazy game. I mean, it has

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Speaker 1: those two teams, just the turnovers, the defensive touchdowns, the

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Speaker 1: I will say this flat out. I can see any

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Speaker 1: Aaron Nageler, your one time co host on the show.

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Speaker 1: You know, he said after watching that game, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Packers have a legitimate shot at a super Bowl here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, for San Francisco, it really was last night's game.

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Speaker 1: Seattle put themselves in a position to win that game

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Speaker 1: to Russell Wilson. It's a credit to Carson too, man.

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Speaker 1: thought and that actually came close to being a Super

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Speaker 1: rematch never happened. Um, neither this one total yards to

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Speaker 1: it's it's a heck of a ball game. Yeah, this one.

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Speaker 1: of things to come, because that's how this team is.

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Speaker 1: When this this team is winning games at the end

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Speaker 1: at crunch time, and that's what you have to do.

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Speaker 1: And that's one of the things that's kind of bothered

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Speaker 1: me too about some of the submissions. We've got people

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Speaker 1: comparing this particular defense to two thousand eleven, and I

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Speaker 1: But and you covered the every game that year. I

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Speaker 1: only covered the home games. But my takeaway from that

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Speaker 1: season was a lot of defense. A lot of offenses

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Speaker 1: the takeaway, they were getting three, they were getting seven

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Speaker 1: every single time. There there's a difference there this year,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's why if you want a true

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Speaker 1: assessment of defense. Pete Doherty from the Press, Becausette said

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Speaker 1: this years ago, you have to do some kind of

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Speaker 1: everything that went wrong, for the yards that were allowed,

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Speaker 1: some of the explosive games that happening in Carolina. Carolina

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Speaker 1: is still only scored sixteen points in the points are

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Speaker 1: going to be what ultimately determined whether or not you well.

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Speaker 1: And you look at some of the other games to

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Speaker 1: the Kansas City game, the Oakland game, a ton of

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Speaker 1: yards up and down the field. But even those games,

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Speaker 1: they only allowed twenty four. Now you'd like to allow

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Speaker 1: fewer than twelve, but but but twenty. But allowing twenty

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Speaker 1: four points in this day and age in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: that's not bad defense. It's giving your team a chance

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Speaker 1: when you have Aaron Rodgers and you have the weapons

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Speaker 1: take that. You'll take that any day of the week

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Speaker 1: because if Aaron Rodgers, if an Aaron Rodgers offense can't

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Speaker 1: win the game when the defense only allows sixteen, it's

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Speaker 1: not on the defense at least, that's the way I

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Speaker 1: look at Yeah, and it as we talked about yesterday,

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Speaker 1: and I'll close on this, I mean, Kenny Clark said it.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to just always live this way. It's

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Speaker 1: a dangerous way to play the game. They want to

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Speaker 1: find answers to some of the things that have plagued

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Speaker 1: him and across the hall meetings this week that that

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Speaker 1: all factors into it and been able to self scout,

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Speaker 1: but also the week arrest here. I just I wrote

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Speaker 1: it an inbox today, Mike. He has seven guys right

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Speaker 1: now who have played over the defensive snaps. Those aren't

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Speaker 1: all defensive backs either. I wrote it three maybe four

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Speaker 1: weeks ago that the defense to me was just looking

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Speaker 1: like it needed to get to the bye week. And

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Speaker 1: the fact that the Packers got to the bye week

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Speaker 1: at eight and two, they are relatively healthy on the

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Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. Yes, that's where that's where

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Speaker 1: there are. There are more issues to be worked out

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Speaker 1: defensively than offensively. Not that the offense doesn't need to

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Speaker 1: figure out these false starts and delay games and some

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Speaker 1: of these things that have plagued them, but the defense

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Speaker 1: for a few weeks now has needed to get to this.

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Speaker 1: By they got there, the Packers are eight and two.

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Speaker 1: I look for I look for a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a rejuvenation from the defense after this break. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: it's that Mike Spofford, you know, realist thing of the week.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, just be realistic about it. There's

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Speaker 1: a huge difference between finishing a marathon on and you know,

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Speaker 1: falling down at the finish line as opposed to quitting

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Speaker 1: at mile marker thirteen and walking it in. This team

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Speaker 1: ran all the way to the finish line, specifically on defense.

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Speaker 1: They got to where they need to get to. They

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Speaker 1: need to rest, they need to recover, and they need

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Speaker 1: to find some answers when they come out of it.

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Speaker 1: But to be at eight and two and to be

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Speaker 1: in this position where among flawed teams you stand above,

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Speaker 1: I think that says a lot about the character of

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Speaker 1: that team and exactly what they could potentially be capable

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Speaker 1: of in this season. Yeah, well, it is time for

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Speaker 1: the Packers to rest up, for us to rest you

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Speaker 1: gotta flight to Barbados, and for the fans to rest up, because,

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Speaker 1: as I like to say, buckle up, this thing is

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Speaker 1: just getting started. It's gonna be a fun uh, It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a fun, fun stretch run. But for now,

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Speaker 1: we will sign off on this edition of Packers Unscripted.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to follow all of our coverage of the team.

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Speaker 1: We still do have a lot of content coming on

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Speaker 1: the website this week. As I said, we're working from home,

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Speaker 1: and no I'm not going to Barbados, but subscribe to

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Speaker 1: He's at west hot, I'm at Mike Spofford at Packers

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Speaker 1: for the team account. Thanks for tuning in, everybody. We

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Speaker 1: will see you next time. Yeah yeah