1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,639 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huts. 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 2: That's Giants. 3 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Dont comeet ut my giants bubbling, give me some job. 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Part of the Giants Podcast Network. 5 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 2: Let's roll. 6 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 3: Welcome to another episode of the Giants Huttle Podcast, brought 7 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 3: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the New 8 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 3: York Football Giants. John Schmelk Joint is always on our 9 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 3: Wednesday edition of The Giants Little Podcast by former Giant 10 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 3: center and Super Bowl champion Sean O'Har Hello, Sean, hey, John, 11 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 3: Happy New Year, Happy twenty twenty forty you brother? 12 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 4: Yeah? Did you bring it in hard? 13 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: We were asleep before the ball hit. 14 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: Alright, boy, spoken like a true dad. 15 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: Yeah. 16 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 3: And my wife goes getting back. She had taken the 17 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 3: kids for a week back home to visit her folks 18 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 3: in the Midwest. So they landed around eight o'clock on 19 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 3: New Year's Eve. So they rolled in the house around 20 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 3: nine thirty. My wife was obviously, and this is not 21 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 3: a criticism, I would done the same thing, Dad. Here, 22 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 3: the kids get the bed. I'm laying down and I 23 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 3: don't believor shoes with the kids by herself for a week. 24 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 2: I would have done the same thing. So I I. 25 00:00:58,440 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 3: You know, did all the kids and everything, and then 26 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 3: she was asleep on the couch by the time I 27 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 3: came back downstairs. 28 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 2: We went upstairs and we were Dode's over. 29 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 4: That's great. Yeah. New Yes's is a great holiday. 30 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: And the older you get, the more you kind of 31 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: gauge it by how much, how early you get to bed, 32 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: how much sleep you get, and how good you feel 33 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: the next day. 34 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 4: Like when you're young, Yeah, you're. 35 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: Totally fine with feeling like crap on New Year's Day 36 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: because you just say, I'm gonna watch college football and 37 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 1: hopefully you don't have a whole lot to do. But well, 38 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: when you have kids, it's a totally different mindset. I 39 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: will also throw another wrinkle into this. If you have 40 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: dogs New Year, even if you go to bed early, 41 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: at midnight, everybody starts firing doing fireworks, and all of 42 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: a sudden, the dogs just start going down. Let me 43 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: tell you that's that is a thorn in the side 44 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: of every dog owner. 45 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 3: I love my dog. He is awesome in so many ways. 46 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 3: The way he might be the most awesome. He does 47 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 3: not care about fireworks. We bring him outside on the 48 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 3: Fourth of July, he watches them with us. 49 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 4: Wow. You're lucky. 50 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 3: He does not give two you know what's about fireworks. 51 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 3: And this is my theory and it's probably nonsense. But 52 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 3: when he was a puppy, and I mean to the point, 53 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 3: we got him very young. He was like eight or 54 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 3: nine weeks to the point where we lived in the 55 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 3: city at that point, so we couldn't even walk him 56 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 3: because he hadn't gotten a little shots yet. So if 57 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 3: he ate something wrong off the ground, he could get 58 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 3: like some weird disease and like die. So we would 59 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,079 Speaker 3: have to carry around. He was eight pounds, so you'd 60 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 3: like carry like a football, right, he's a French ball. 61 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 2: He's like thirty pounds. 62 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: Now I'm visualizing you walking down the street with carrying 63 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: a dog. 64 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 3: Oh, I was the most popular person in the neighborhood. 65 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 3: You would get stopped every ten feet because the puppy's 66 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 3: so cute. 67 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: So we would walk. 68 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 3: Him around and you know, supper west side ambulances, oh yeah, 69 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 3: fire trucks, crazy people on the corner, artet know whatever. 70 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 3: And I think he just got so used to all 71 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 3: the noises at that young of an age that nothing 72 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 3: bothers him. 73 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: The only thing that bothers him. 74 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 3: Bags, Like if we have a bag on the floor 75 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 3: and it tips over. It's like he's in like full 76 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 3: like secret Service protect the President mode. 77 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: That's the only thing that bothers him anyway. 78 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: Interesting, Yes, good, you've got your dog well conditioned. 79 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 2: Yes, season, we're lucky. Good dog. Now, I'm sure like 80 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 2: has no idea where that's by the way. 81 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: Those those millennials have no clue. 82 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely all right, speaking which giants, boy shown it's 83 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 3: funny and this is kind of a big picture joke 84 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 3: for the fans out there. It was almost the perfect 85 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 3: result for the fans that care about the draft position. 86 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 3: Because you have a game where you play well. There's 87 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 3: a lot of good things they take out of the game. 88 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 3: You make a lot of plays, but you just missed 89 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 3: a kick at the end, and you so you could say, yeah, 90 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 3: we played well, it was good football. You know, guys 91 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 3: played well, but you know we lose the game at 92 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 3: the end. You maintain your draft position. But from and 93 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: in the building playoff player perspective, boy, I mean, so 94 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 3: many good plays you look back at, but they get 95 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 3: overshadowed by some of the mistakes, whether it's penalties or 96 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 3: drops or bad throws, missed opportunities, that just took away 97 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 3: a chance to beat. 98 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 2: A team that was playing some pretty good football in 99 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 2: the Rems. 100 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, John, this feels like deja vu. Like this, we 101 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: said the same thing after the Philly loss in Week sixteen, 102 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: Like they had a chance to win that game, They 103 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: had ample opportunities to beat the Rams, And you're talking 104 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: about the miskick at the end to win the game, 105 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: the two point conversion that you know, it was a 106 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: great play design, great play call, and just can't we 107 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: just can't make the two yard pass like Chuck Knablock 108 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: can't make the throw from second to first. Tyrod just 109 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 1: could not get that done. And it's a shame because 110 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: Tyrod made some unbelievable throws. 111 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 4: Some unbelievable plays. 112 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: I mean, that throw to Tereus Slayton was one of 113 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: the prettiest passes I think I've seen all year long. 114 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: And that's not just with the Giants, that's like the 115 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: entire NFL. 116 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 2: And that we're not talking about the game. I mean 117 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:46,799 Speaker 2: some really nice throw. 118 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: Even the throw to start the game up the sideline 119 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: that went through Hyatt's hands and kind of went through 120 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 1: his legs like that was a great throw. 121 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: That sixty one hearts in the air. 122 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a shame because you know, really the 123 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: are a playoff team, like you know, they're they're in 124 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: the playoffs, and yet the Giants should have beaten them. 125 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: And you could say that about a lot of games 126 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: this year. I mean, they should have beat the Jets, 127 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: the Bills in Buffalo, they should have won that game, 128 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 1: you know, even the Philly game that I just referenced, 129 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: Like they had a chance to win that game too, 130 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: And it's just a couple of situational things, the third 131 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: and shorts, the you know, the situations that they're just 132 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: not capitalizing on is what's costing them. And it's tough 133 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: when it's the same reoccurring theme. 134 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 4: I know it's. 135 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: Frustrating for the players and the coaches, but you know 136 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: that's just kind of when you look at where the 137 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: team is at right now, those self inflicted mental errors, hiccups, 138 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call them, that's what's costing them games. 139 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: And it's it's not that they're not talented enough to 140 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: win these games. They just they're just playing bad ball 141 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: at the worst possible time. 142 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 3: So, and I guess that would be my question for you, Then, 143 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 3: how do you correct those things, because it's easy. If 144 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 3: you come out of a game a team rushes for 145 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:00,040 Speaker 3: three hundred yards. 146 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 2: On you, you're like, all right, well, we got to 147 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 2: play the. 148 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 3: Run better, right, But if it's individuals not executing plays 149 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 3: in the case of Tyrod missing the two point conversion, 150 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 3: Barkley dropping the slant, Hiatt dropping the pass outside, and 151 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 3: it's just one player here or there, but they're doing 152 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 3: good stuff otherwise, how is a player do you go 153 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 3: about trying to protect that trying to correct that stuff. 154 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 3: I go back to what Evan Ingram is here, Right, 155 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 3: he did so many things well, but there were just 156 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 3: times in the most important situations that he failed to 157 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 3: come up. 158 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: With the ball when they needed it. 159 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 3: How do you go about trying to fix that stuff 160 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 3: when it's not an endemic issue and it's just some 161 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 3: plays here or there that are killing you. 162 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great question. There's no magic formula for that. 163 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: I mean, look, the preparation is there, and I'm sure 164 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: they'll all tell you, Hey, look, we're watching film, like 165 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: the kids are studying, like they're paying attention on the field, 166 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: and when there's teaching moments, you know, it just comes 167 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: down to the focus and the execution on game day, 168 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 1: and that's you know that it really comes with confidence. 169 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: But I feel like when there's an accountability aspect, I 170 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: always put the onus on the players, and that peer 171 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: pressure from your teammates is paramount. Like it's one thing 172 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: if your mom tells you to clean your room, and 173 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: it's like she's got to say it three times, when 174 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: your brother comes over to you and says, hey, clean 175 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: your damn room, like, it resonates differently. So I feel 176 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: like that peer pressure and the accountability it has to 177 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: come from the team has to come from the players, 178 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: has to come from when you're in the office of 179 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 1: a huddle, like, man, I do not want to make 180 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: a mental mistake Like getting beat physically happens in the NFL, 181 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: and everybody can live with that because we know those 182 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: guys are getting paid too. But when you beat yourself 183 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, that's embarrassing. And I think 184 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: that not that you want to embarrass players in front 185 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: of each other, but the accountability factor is real. And 186 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: I remember when I played for the Cleveland Browns, Bruce 187 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: Arians used to have a sheet of paper and he 188 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: put it up on the overhead projector some of you 189 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: may not know what that is, but it would basically 190 00:07:55,520 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: reflect whatever was on the projector onto the wall, and 191 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: he would put a list after every practice, any mental errors, 192 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: any penalties. Your name was on that list. And the 193 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: start of the season there'd be twenty guys on that list. 194 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: And he said, look, this is week one, Like by 195 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: the time we get to week ten, there should be 196 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: two names on here. And that kind of became you know, 197 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: you see the same names over and over and over again, 198 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: it kind of becomes like, all right, you know, who's 199 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,679 Speaker 1: the dummy? Like who's been on there every single week? 200 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 4: Right? You don't want that. You don't want to be 201 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 4: on that. 202 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: So I think there's ways to try to, you know, 203 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: kind of add some good peer pressure with that. 204 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 4: But I'll always put. 205 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: It on like the team, the accountability factor, that standard 206 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: of excellence. It's got to come from the players. It's 207 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: got to come from the huddle, and it's got to 208 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: come from the leaders. 209 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 5: You love turf, you're good at it, So you start 210 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 5: a turf business, grows, your savings, grow, become the most 211 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 5: celebrated name in turf. Are you ready for all that 212 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 5: life brings? 213 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 3: You know, it's funny you say that and it's someone 214 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 3: unrelated busy secution mistakes, no effort mistakes. But if you 215 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 3: recall a few weeks ago when George Pickens was caught 216 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 3: not blocking right and he basically I think he said, 217 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 3: like I. 218 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 2: Don't want to risk get hurt or whatever. So Daniel 219 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: Jeremiah related story. 220 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 3: He was talking to James lofton Hall of Fame and 221 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 3: a Hall of Fame NFL receiver used to be a 222 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 3: wide receivers coach too, and he asked them. This was 223 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 3: on the Move the Sticks podcast and he asked them, well, 224 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,680 Speaker 3: you know, James, what would you do for a guy 225 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,599 Speaker 3: like Pickens? You go into the meeting room with the 226 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 3: wide receivers the next day, what do you do? He goes, Oh, 227 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 3: that's easy. I paused the meeting. I take George Pickens 228 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 3: out of the meeting. I walk them down to the 229 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 3: running backs room. I opened the door and I say, George, 230 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 3: why don't you explain to these guys why they're not 231 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 3: worth blocking for? And then what the hell are you? 232 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: Then? What do you say to that? 233 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 4: Yeah? 234 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 3: And I think I just thought that kind of spoke 235 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,719 Speaker 3: to how you get the player to play or accountability. 236 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 3: That that can sometimes be more impactful than the coaches. 237 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: Even Yeah, I think that's a great case study in look, 238 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: I don't want to let you down. 239 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 4: And I also, like, you know, it's. 240 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: That team above self mentality, Like I'm as an offensive 241 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: line and it's kind of already wired into you, like 242 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: you want to protect your quarterback, protect your your running back. 243 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: Sometimes those other positions they don't have that same core 244 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: value because it's that they don't understand the ripple effect 245 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: that it has if oh, hey, you know, I'm just 246 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: thinking about myself. But that's that's a challenge throughout the 247 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: league because today's NFL is. 248 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 4: All about your own brand. 249 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: So coaches, that's one of the biggest challenges they have 250 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: is how do I get everybody to buy into the 251 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: team concept. So it's it's or it's going to get 252 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: worse because now these kids are conditioned in college that hey, 253 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: look the team bowl game. 254 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 4: I'm not even playing in that game, Like look what happened. 255 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 1: With Florida State, Like guys are opting out of the 256 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: bowl game. 257 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 4: So guys are it's not about the team. 258 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 2: Fourth round picks, not even like first round game. That's crazy. 259 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 1: It's it's almost becoming an epidemic from that standpoint. So 260 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: I think that's where you've got to have the right guys, 261 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: and you've got to have you know, everybody's got to 262 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 1: care about the same thing, and certainly you hope that 263 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: the guys in the locker room care about each other. 264 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: I feel like the guys in the Giants locker room do. 265 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: And you see the way that they're playing week in 266 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 1: and week out, you know, even you know, against the 267 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: Rams and even against Philly, like they knew that the 268 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: playoffs were not in the future, and that's not something 269 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: you're playing for, but you're playing for pride and you're 270 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: playing to protect your teammates. So I feel like I 271 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: see that from the Giants, like they are playing for 272 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: each other and they're playing for the coaches. But that's 273 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: that's a challenge that only gets is only going to 274 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: get harder with these college kids. 275 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 2: Giants. 276 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 3: Tottle Podcast is brought to you by Citizens, the official 277 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 3: bank of the Giants from game data. Every day, Citizens 278 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 3: is made ready for Giants fans with insights, guidance, and solutions. 279 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 3: Learn more at citizensbank dot com. Sean, let's go to 280 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 3: the offensive line. They give up six sacks. We actually 281 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 3: just watched all six of them before we got going here, 282 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 3: and I think a constant source of that pressure and 283 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 3: those sacks this week. And I think if you go 284 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 3: back for especially the second half of the season, a 285 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 3: lot of it's coming inside. You don't see a lot 286 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 3: of stuff come from the outside. And you know, getting 287 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 3: sacked around the edge, which is a credit to Andrew 288 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 3: Thomas and Tyree Phillips unfortunately towards squad in the game, 289 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 3: so you know, he's not gonna play in this game, 290 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 3: will probably be ma paired out there. But the interior 291 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 3: offensive line play continues to be an issue. And you know, 292 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 3: we talk about the stunts and twists all the time, 293 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 3: but we're seeing players where these guys are getting. 294 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 2: Just beat one on one as well. So how do 295 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 2: you view that? Is that just something that needs to 296 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 2: get improved moving forward? From like a talent. 297 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 3: Perspective, is how do you view the issues that they've 298 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 3: been having in the middle of this line? 299 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's frustrating watched especially this late in the year. 300 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: You know, guy's getting beat right now, like that shouldn't 301 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: be happening. Like, you know, I look at Ben Beretterson 302 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: had a tough game against Philly. 303 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 4: A couple of weeks ago. 304 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: John Michael Schmids probably had his worst game of the 305 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: season against the Rams. 306 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 2: And again, these are good players that played against but still. 307 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: They are good players. And you know, for John Michael Schmidt's, 308 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: he's a rookie. He's still learning some of the arts 309 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: and crafts of the game and the and how to 310 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: master all of that. And you know, when it's a 311 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: center and guards, anytime there is any kind of stunts 312 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: or movements or twist, you have to be on the 313 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: same page and that they just haven't been on the 314 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: same level to pass a lot of those off. But 315 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: you know, coming into the game, it was you know, man, 316 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald can wreck the game. 317 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 4: It wasn't Aaron Donald to wrect the game. It was 318 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 4: Kobe Turner. 319 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: And you know, look, now he's in the conversation for 320 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year, and you know he's kind of 321 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: flown under the radar because when everybody thinks about the Rams, 322 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: they think of ninety nine. But ninety one was damn 323 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: near unblockable at times, and. 324 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 4: He beat everybody. 325 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: He was beating the left guard, he beat John Michael Schmid's, 326 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: he'd beat reticon. You know, he'd beat pw on On 327 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: a couple of times too. So when you have interior pressure, 328 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: it's impossible for the quarterback to get away from that 329 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: like that. That is the death sentence as a quarterback 330 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: pressure in the A. 331 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 4: To B gap. 332 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: They cannot run away from it, they can't throw over it, 333 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 1: they can't escape it, and it wrecks everything. So it's 334 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: an area that the Giants have to improve. I think 335 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: that look technique is part of it. The most disappointing 336 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: thing to your point, a lot of those were four 337 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: man rushes, and when you have a four man rush, 338 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 1: your quarterback should be able to sit back there and 339 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: eat a cupcake. He should have plenty of time, you've 340 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: got an extra They're also getting chips from the running 341 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: back to help out the tackles. So it's it's unfortunate 342 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: that this late in the season that's still a hiccup 343 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: and still an issue. And then you compound that with 344 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 1: Tyree Phillips going down. Tyree Phillips has become he had 345 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: become one of the Giants' most consistent blockers. He'd really 346 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: solidify that tackle position when he took over the starting 347 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: role for Evan Neil when he got hurt. And to 348 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: see a guy like that go down, it's a tough blow. 349 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: But I think, you know, there's only one way to 350 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: get better at that, Like you just need more reps 351 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: like these guys need, they need more reps you need. 352 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: It takes time to develop that and to develop that chemistry. 353 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 2: You know. 354 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: Unfortunately the time is running out on this season, but 355 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: I fully expect the Giants to address the guard position 356 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: in the offseason. 357 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 3: Then the running game of Sean this is one of 358 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 3: those games where it seem like sequent ten or he 359 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 3: gained one or zero or negative the yards for an 360 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 3: offensive line, how do you view a game like that 361 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 3: when you have some explosive runs that pop and you know, 362 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 3: again you gain ten, eleven, twelve yards, But then you 363 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 3: have way too many ones that either don't gain yards 364 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 3: at all and you lose something and you're only getting 365 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 3: one or two. 366 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the negative runs and the tackles for 367 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: loss like that is unacceptable. 368 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 2: So you would trade some of the explosives to get 369 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 2: it the second and six, right. 370 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can, because you can't. You can't overcome the 371 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: second and twelve. You know, the second and thirteam. 372 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 4: You can't. You know that that's just bad football. 373 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: And look, if you get one or two yards, you know, 374 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: like now a sudden second and eight, okay, you can 375 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: run it again and now you're in third and short 376 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: third and manageable. But it really just sets you behind 377 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: the sticks and you're behind the eight ball, and when 378 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: you get that, the tackles for loss. So I've always 379 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: said that if you want to be a good running 380 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: football team, you have to have two good guards. Like 381 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: the guards are the ones that create movement at the 382 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: point of attack, whether it's you know, downhill running, you know, 383 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: the double teams, moving the defensive tackles back at the linebackers, 384 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: or a zone getting them running laterally to create a 385 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: seam and create a crease. You have to have good guards. 386 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: And that's really where the Giants have struggled this year. 387 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: They have not had really physical play from the guards. 388 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: They have not had huge creases. They have not been 389 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: able to edge the defense from the guard position, and 390 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: that's why we're seeing some of the tough running plays. 391 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: I also feel like Saquon to me, has always been 392 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: a better running back from the home position when you 393 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: offset him in a shotgun run. 394 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 2: When you say home position, explain to fans which you mean. 395 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: Home position means he's behind the center behind the quarterback. Giants, 396 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: we don't run a lot of under the center running plays. 397 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: If the quarterback's under center and the running back is 398 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: behind him, he's in the home position. Now he has 399 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: a chance to press the hole and cut back. And 400 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: when you're in a shotgun information and the running back 401 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: is off set, now his point of entry is a 402 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: lot tougher that he changes the angle, he can no 403 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: longer cut back. 404 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 4: He can cut up, but he can't cut. 405 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: Back because you can't ask a running back to take 406 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: the hand offf go this way and completely change directions. 407 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: So you're almost kind of shrinking the running lanes for 408 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: the running back. And I feel like Saquon needs that 409 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: extra time to really. 410 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 4: See the whole and see developed. So that to me 411 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 4: is that's just a scheme. 412 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: Fit, and it's something that you know, I think that 413 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: they need to work on and they need to find 414 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: a way to get better at. But no doubt, you know, 415 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: having guys, you know the the oh man, my bad 416 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 1: moments like my bad, I didn't get to the linebacker, 417 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: and you know, we saw that two weeks ago, Shack 418 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: Shaq Leonard was, you know, making all kinds of tackles 419 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: in the backfield. We couldn't get to the second level 420 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 1: against Philly and week sixteen. So it's something that needs 421 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: to be addressed and it needs to be fixed. 422 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 2: Would the pistol work for that? 423 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think pistol helps because now you do have 424 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: that two way go. You know, when the running backs 425 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: on one side of the quarterback, Now the defense knows, 426 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: like if it's a run, it's only going to this side, 427 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: Like you're not going to run into that side if 428 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: he's on your left. So it kind of if they know, 429 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 1: all right, if the running back starts going downhill, I 430 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: know where you know where it's going if he's in 431 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: the home position. The pistol, like you're saying, now it's 432 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 1: a two way go, I don't know. Maybe are they 433 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: going weak? Are they going strong? So there's a little 434 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: bit of an element of disguise there. 435 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 5: You're ready for a change. Payday comes early with citizens, 436 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 5: so go to that retreat. Knew you moves to the country. 437 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 5: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. 438 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: Are you ready for all that? 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Yeah, I mean they've run for info 455 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 2: over two hundred yards. 456 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:00,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's unheard of right there. Two hundred yards on 457 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: on a defense is a gut. 458 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 2: Punch, you know, and against that front. 459 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: James Connor is a tough running back. I mean, look 460 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: he gets on hell. But Arizona, like when you think 461 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: of them, you don't think of them as a run 462 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: first team. You know, like with Kyler Murray, like they've 463 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: kind of always been a pass first offense. 464 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 4: So yeah, no doubt about it. 465 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: Look, and nobody's gonna feel sorry for the Eagles at all, 466 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: Like we love this, right, We're reveling in their dysfunction 467 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: right now. But it was the offense that was stagnant 468 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 1: and that was really struggling, and then all of a sudden, hey, 469 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurst throws three touchdown passes and now all of 470 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: a sudden, all right, the offense is scoring points and 471 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: then the defense can't get off the field. So look, 472 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: this Eagle's defense has been a problem all season long. 473 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: They have eleven sacks since Week ten. This is the 474 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: same defense that was trying to break the sack record 475 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: last year they had seventy sacks, So that is. 476 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 4: Definitely an issue. 477 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: They're not getting to the quarterback and in Week sixteen, look, 478 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: they only had one sack against the Giants, which you know, 479 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: in the previous matchups it had been you know, revolving 480 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: door at who wanted to stack the quarterback next, So 481 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: that's an issue. And then really the pass defense has 482 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:06,959 Speaker 1: really struggled. They've given up a ton of big pass plays. 483 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 1: They they've been one of the worst pass defenses in 484 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 1: the league and slays out again. So uh, you know, 485 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: things are bad when you kind of reshuffle the coaching staff. 486 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: They've already had elevated Matt Patricia to calling the defensive 487 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: signals and even that hasn't worked. So look, there's a 488 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: lot going on for the Eagles on both sides of 489 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: the ball. But I still think when you look at 490 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: Philly on paper, like, they're still one of the most 491 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: talented teams in the league, and you know, you hope 492 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: when you play them that they don't figure it out 493 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: when you're. 494 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 2: Playing them, don't be the right game for them, they 495 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 2: get you know. 496 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: But for the Giants against for the you know, second 497 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: week in a row now here, you're playing a playoff 498 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: team and you have a chance to kind of wreck 499 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: things for them. So you know, look, obviously Philly, you know, 500 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,479 Speaker 1: they're hoping that they can win the game and then 501 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: if Dallas loses, now Philly could jump back into that 502 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: two seed. Good luck to Dallas in the Washington But yeah, 503 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: I mean that's that's probably that shouldn't happen either. 504 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 2: But and again, Philly lost Arizona last week, so who 505 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 2: the he one know is. 506 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and Dallas lost Arizona too, So you know, 507 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: the NFL is tough to predict this year. But I 508 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: think the Giants, you know, right now without Tyree Phillips. 509 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 1: He kind of solidified the offensive line against Philly in 510 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: Week sixteen, and he knows Philly really well. He was 511 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: on a practice squad, So that's gonna be a huge loss. 512 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: It's a big game for Matt Parrot. You know, he's 513 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: gonna be up a right tackle hitsn Reddick is not 514 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: having quite the production that he had last year, but 515 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: he's still an impact player and he can w record game. 516 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 3: Apparently he got dropped into coverage like ten times or 517 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 3: eleven times last week looking at some of the events stats, 518 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 3: which is surprising. And a funny Parrot on the big 519 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 3: Tyrod Taylor scramble. I thought they could have got Parrot 520 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 3: for offensive holding on that play. He kind of got 521 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 3: beaten inside and he put the little arm around the 522 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 3: waist there. Yeah, and the defensive lineman tried he did 523 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 3: the hole one of those where try to get yes correct, 524 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 3: but it wasn't called, thankfully, unlike a couple of the 525 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 3: holds earlier in the game, which I'm or as an 526 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 3: offensive lineman, drove you nuts a little bit. The one 527 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 3: thing I'm gonna ask you about actually, and then we'll 528 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 3: say goodbye. The Bellinger hold, right, that was on I 529 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 3: believe the Hyatt d post. If I recall, you had 530 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 3: the blitzing linebacker, and the blitzing linebacker. 531 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 2: Did what's called the RIT move. 532 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 3: With the fans that don't know, that's when you try 533 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 3: to get your arm underneath the offensive lineman's shoulder right 534 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 3: to kind of get around his edge. And you know, 535 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 3: Bellinger ended up kind of getting his arm around his 536 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 3: shoulders a little bit near the neck area, and they 537 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 3: called a hold on him, and yeah, you see that 538 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 3: looks like a hold. But I thought one of the 539 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 3: points of emphasis is, yere sean, I want to have 540 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 3: talked about this as an offensive lineman, when the defensive 541 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 3: player uses a RIT move, it kind of puts the 542 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 3: offensive player into a bad situation because you can't square 543 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 3: them up like this, right, so you kind of have. 544 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 2: To almost hook them. 545 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 3: And I didn't think they were supposed to call those 546 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 3: if the defensive player used a RIPT move, right. 547 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: And the tough thing with that is if you don't 548 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: see the rip move, then you don't know that, so 549 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 1: the ref has to see that whole play, which they 550 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: don't all I see, you know. I also think it's 551 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: kind of like, was that defender actually going to make 552 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: the play, like, you know, because there's a lot of 553 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: times where you see a guy flop and it's like 554 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 1: he wasn't even gonna make the tackle anyways. But because 555 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: they just see the guy going to the ground or 556 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: being restricted, the flag has to come out. So it 557 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: was definitely an unfortunate call, you know, And for Bellinger, 558 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 1: that's one of those things where like I'm sure he 559 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: feels like it. You know, they could have let that go, 560 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: like it didn't really I didn't really restrict him and 561 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: I didn't you know, it wasn't like he was gonna 562 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 1: make the sack if I hadn't hadn't find a way 563 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: to kind of grabble a little bit. So tough play 564 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: and tough that it came on a big play too. 565 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to do something next week with you. 566 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 2: If not in the building, then over zoom. If you 567 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 2: think you can squeeze us in next week, yeah. 568 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 4: I might. I might be able to squeze something in. 569 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: You know, we should have some free time next week 570 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: we can zoom it all right, deal. 571 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 2: All right, Shone O'Hara, John Shwell. 572 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 3: Giants Little Podcast brought to you by Citizens, the official 573 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 3: bank of the New York Football Giants. Final week of 574 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 3: the year, everybody, Giants and Eagles in MetLife Stadium at 575 00:23:58,880 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 3: four twenty five. 576 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 2: Check us out. We appreciate you being with us. We'll 577 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 2: see you next time.