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Speaker 1: You're listening a Draftings.

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Speaker 2: Network the John Nick and Kenny Florian podcast. John Annick

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Speaker 2: and Kenny Florian. I love them. I can't get enough

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Speaker 2: of him. That big job there, Cooktuffia pret Fer, hont

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Speaker 2: Rock suck. I believe there are a couple of absolutely

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Speaker 2: self involved ble God, here are your hosts, John Nick

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Speaker 2: and Kenny Florian. That shot.

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Speaker 1: I oh, great to be with you.

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Speaker 3: Monday, April tenth, twenty twenty three, Episode four oh two

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Speaker 3: of the Anaic and Florian podcast. You know, we love

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Speaker 3: these pay per view recaps, but I am going to

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Speaker 3: ask kindly of our listenership on the audio side to

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Speaker 3: maybe check out the video on the DraftKings YouTube channel

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Speaker 3: today because I have a little special thing to show

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Speaker 3: my man Ken Flow. So about a week ago, he

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Speaker 3: knows what the is right. So about a week ago,

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Speaker 3: our executive producer Cody Merrow brought to my attention that

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Speaker 3: there was a high school soccer photo from Dover Sherborne

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Speaker 3: High School of Kenny Florian from the nineteen nineties late eighties. No,

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Speaker 3: it was definitely the nineties, not that old, right, So

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Speaker 3: that there was this high school soccer photo of Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 3: Somehow an original on Kodak paper Kenny on eBay. So

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Speaker 3: I have that video that photo to present to the

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Speaker 3: audience today.

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Speaker 1: That is amazing.

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Speaker 3: So if you only listening, I strongly recommend ingesting the

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Speaker 3: video this week. So it looks as though you wrote

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Speaker 3: your name, Kenny Florian and Dover Soccer on a placcard

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Speaker 3: and then later somebody wrote thirty seven percent on it.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what that thirty seven percent means at all?

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Speaker 1: I have no idea that that was the photo that

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Speaker 1: they used. I got I was on the Boston Old's

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Speaker 1: All Soccer team or whatever the heck that was, and

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Speaker 1: I believe that was the photo that the Boston Herald used.

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Speaker 1: You know it's like, you know, the top whatever. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what it loved like, So that was that was

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Speaker 1: the photo that they used, I believe. So I have

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Speaker 1: no idea what the hell a top thirty seven percent?

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Speaker 1: What does that mean?

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Speaker 3: I don't think it means anything. No, I honestly think

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Speaker 3: it was written on here mistakenly. That's at some point

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Speaker 3: and then somebody lifted up and they're like, oh shit,

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Speaker 3: I just wrote on this Boston Herald all star ken

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Speaker 3: Flow picture.

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Speaker 1: What am I going to do.

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Speaker 3: I'll sell it on eBay and maybe the president of

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Speaker 3: Team Flory and John Annak will buy it, like twenty

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Speaker 3: years down the line. So well, this is amazing because

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Speaker 3: I actually used to be a sports writer. I used

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Speaker 3: to come up with like the high school girls volleyball

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Speaker 3: Star team for the Metro West Daily News. So here's

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Speaker 3: your Ken Flow all Star photo. And this is so

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Speaker 3: open to interpretation. Partially, the look on his face is like, mom,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to fucking get this picture taken. But

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Speaker 3: Kenny can be hostile, he can also be a super

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Speaker 3: nice guy. So do you remember this time in your life?

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Speaker 3: Were you upset that you had to go for this

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Speaker 3: photo shoot? Were you happy with the with the acknowledgments?

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Speaker 1: I do. I remember I didn't make mof Boston Globe.

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Speaker 1: I made Metro West, I made Boston Herald. I didn't

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Speaker 1: make the globe that was the one you wanted to make.

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Speaker 1: So I didn't make that one. But uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I was a little injured for my senior year, so

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Speaker 1: I missed a few games, but I was I was

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Speaker 1: probably close. But uh, that's cool, man. That was my

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Speaker 1: favorite sweashirt in the whole world. That Adidas equipment. It

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Speaker 1: little like soccer weird soccer haircut, like skatercut. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what the hell was going on there, but good times, dude. Wow,

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Speaker 1: I was so young, so naive. This is amazing.

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Speaker 3: So you got to tell doctor Florian, who I think

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Speaker 3: is mostly on the audio side, that he needs to

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Speaker 3: watch the show this week. And I will say, this

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Speaker 3: is my first byline from the Milford Daily News. I'm

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Speaker 3: it's a little bit hard to see, right. So my

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Speaker 3: late stepfather, Doug's wit put this in a frame for me.

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Speaker 3: It's from Thursday September twenty seven, two thousand and one,

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Speaker 3: So sixteen days after September eleventh, Kenny, wow, sixteen days

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Speaker 3: after the World Trade Center. I was in Shrewsbury, Massachusetts

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Speaker 3: covering Saint John's a Shrewsbury three nothing when in high

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Speaker 3: wrote John, good luck, hope to see you when sports

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Speaker 3: illustrated soon. Sorry, Doug never made sports illustrated, but yeah, it's.

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Speaker 1: Bigger than that. My friend. That's awesome, dude.

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Speaker 3: Wow, right, so little trip down memory lane. And again,

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Speaker 3: if the Doctor and Anez want the photo, you just

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Speaker 3: let me know and I'll send that to wherever in

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Speaker 3: the Great State of I'm not going to reveal where

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Speaker 3: Kenny's parents off that Kenny will show up at my

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Speaker 3: and him. All right, A lot to get to. Were

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Speaker 3: you just in Las Vegas? You had another PFL show.

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Speaker 3: I think it was Risshako if I'm not mistaken.

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Speaker 1: That's correct, that's correct. Yeah, she had a tough one

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Speaker 1: against Julia Budd it was. It was a close one.

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Speaker 3: And then you go back this Wednesday, PFL Live This Friday,

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Speaker 3: Shane Burgos Olivier Obama Mercia in the main event. Is

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Speaker 3: that right cocked?

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Speaker 1: This guy always doing his research?

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, all right, that's a big main event. I'm

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Speaker 3: excited for that. And there are going to be some

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Speaker 3: Shane Burgos tie ins today because he did fight both

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Speaker 3: Billy Corntello and Edson Barboso, who compete in the co

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Speaker 3: main event this weekend live on ESPN from Kansas City, Missouri.

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Speaker 3: But a lot to get to today, Bulk of the show,

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Speaker 3: of course, is going to be UFC two to eighty

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Speaker 3: seven recap will be joined shortly by world renowned boxing

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Speaker 3: quarter of an hour with Teddy Atlas. We'll also talk

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Speaker 3: to Ray Longo, and then we've got six predictions from

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Speaker 3: Ken Flow and Brian Petrie for UFC Fight Night, Max

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Speaker 3: going to talk to die hard mixed martial arts fan

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Speaker 3: us his net worth, maybe he'll donate half a million

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Speaker 3: Evan Longoria is going to be in South Florida with

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Speaker 3: getting Eva Longoria live on the Jaftkings YouTube channel coming

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Speaker 3: on the broadcast, Kenny one of the biggest singular wins

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Speaker 1: Blown away. I was my jaw was on the floor

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Speaker 1: make you even more popular, popular than before. I hate

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Speaker 1: these comparisons. But I think that if there's a boxing

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Speaker 1: And that was a beautiful demonstration by israel As on

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Speaker 1: Okay, I have no idea because I'm not Israel out

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Speaker 1: those calf kicks again, which again I was really worried about.

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Speaker 1: If I saw him get hit with those early, I

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Speaker 2: One. I always got time for good people, and you're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they are. I don't like to say an age

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Speaker 2: I do.

431
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 3: Wow.

432
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 2: And then look they put my tweet up. Wow, it's

433
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 2: up there, so and look all full transparency. You know,

434
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 2: you gotta be honest in life. I don't know how

435
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 2: to even do it. I have to send it to her.

436
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 2: I have to send it to like the three guys.

437
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 2: I got a Twitter team. Who's got a Twitter team?

438
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 2: My god, I got I got a Twitter team, and

439
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 2: I got to send it out to them. One of

440
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 2: them is in all like, one of them is, where's

441
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:36,360
Speaker 2: the other guy? One of them is They're all over

442
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 2: the place. And I send it out to them and

443
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 2: then they put it up, and then I get mad

444
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 2: at them if they don't put it up fast enough

445
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 2: you gotta go faster. Why Teddy would get it up? Sorry,

446
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 2: And they're just great guys, and I'm embarrassed. I got

447
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 2: this is like way below their payment grade, and I

448
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 2: got them tweeting. I mean, and they're all successful people.

449
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,959
Speaker 2: But there was a moment that I had tweeted before

450
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 2: that I started being transported somewhere that I and I'm

451
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 2: not getting crazy out there and all that stuff. I'm

452
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 2: just saying I started again. It started becoming very similar,

453
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 2: almost eerie to me, very similar to Zaire with Foreman

454
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 2: an Alley. I was like, I was saying, this is

455
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 2: Foremann Alley because it fits because there, first of all,

456
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,120
Speaker 2: Pierre was Foreman Perreira. He was Foreman. I mean, he's

457
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: just a big I don't want to call him a bully,

458
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 2: but he was a bully. He was. He was a

459
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: big brute and he's strong and he's knocking the houses

460
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 2: all he knocked out Joe Frazer, you know, And and

461
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,120
Speaker 2: here he is and he already knocked this guy out,

462
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 2: and he's going and he's doing his thing, and I'm

463
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he's up against the ropes. The ropes,

464
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 2: but it was the cage and he's up against your

465
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 2: guy said, it's the cage and I said, just before

466
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 2: it happened, I said, that's the rope dope. I said,

467
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 2: it's the rope dope. And I'm trying to tweet it fast,

468
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 2: you know, I'm trying to tweet it quick enough to

469
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 2: get it out there on time, to head it before

470
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 2: somebody else says it. You know, you want to be

471
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 2: the guy. And I got pried. You know, I'm with

472
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 2: hisself and I'm seeing it, and I'm you know, he

473
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 2: got hurt in the leg. He got definitely uh impacted

474
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: with a punch. There was a nice body punch too,

475
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,640
Speaker 2: I don't know. And and he got impacted with a knee,

476
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 2: but it wasn't full it wasn't fully clean. He was

477
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 2: still okay, he was still there. He was still in

478
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 2: the driver's seat. He see he was still in control.

479
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 2: And he was looking and I said, oh my god,

480
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 2: he's looking. He's and he's waiting for a mistake. And man,

481
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 2: he made the mistake. And part of it, part of

482
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 2: it was mental to live in the mental place where

483
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: Barrera assumed that it was all him, that he that

484
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 2: his victory did him with the surface in this fight, yeah,

485
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 2: it didn't. And it conspired against him because now he said, okay, yeah,

486
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 2: I've been here before. I'm just gonna get rid of

487
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: the guy. And he forgot what Yogi Bearra said. It

488
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: ain't over to it's over baby, and you know, and

489
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 2: he I always say, you can't take a picture after

490
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 2: your punch. You can't take a picture because the flash

491
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 2: bulls will not be the ones you think they are.

492
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 2: He won't be and and he so what does he do?

493
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: And it was a no lo And I tweeted that too.

494
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 2: For me, I do not allow fighters to ever ever.

495
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: I'll jump in the ring and stop it. I will

496
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 2: not let them lead with the left to confront. You

497
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: know why, because it's in front of the right hand.

498
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: And guess was it's simple geometry. You know. I didn't

499
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 2: go to school too much, but I learned that that

500
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 2: straight beats round. It always does. And he's drona Love

501
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: took and I said, oh my god, and he's drone

502
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,919
Speaker 2: of love took right in front, right in front of it.

503
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: He opened the door for the right hand. He didn't

504
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 2: get it wasn't created by Anasanya. It was time by

505
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 2: him because he was cognizant of everything because he was calm,

506
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 2: because he believed, because he was here. Because he was

507
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: he wasn't in a fog. Even even before the fight

508
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,239
Speaker 2: that I described, A lot of guys would have been

509
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: in a fog. They would have they wouldn't. He had

510
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: the fog lights on, cutting right through the mist. The

511
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 2: fog lights he had because he knew what he had,

512
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 2: why he was there, what his purpose was. He understood

513
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 2: that he was in control. And it was the same

514
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: thing he he actually knew a moment would come. I know,

515
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 2: that's crazy. You ask him, I guarantee you he's going

516
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: to tell you that he knew that he was gone

517
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: even when he got hurt. There was gonna be a

518
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 2: mom There's gonna be a moment the guy's gonna make

519
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 2: a mistake. And listen, he had a damn good reason

520
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: to feel that way. The first fight. He heard him,

521
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 2: but he ran out of time. It was right before

522
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: you know, it was right before the bell. So so

523
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 2: he he knew that he was gonna He believed it's

524
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 2: gonna and there it was. This is the moment, the

525
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 2: lopid dope Zaia, except it was in Miami and hear

526
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 2: it is and he's there and he does the thing

527
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 2: I always say is taboo. He leads with the left hook,

528
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 2: he throw that, he opens the door, you know, and

529
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 2: bang the right hand. And he wasn't playing another one.

530
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: And the second one was placed behind the ear. That

531
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: destroys the equilibrium. I I don't think he ever saw

532
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: the punches coming. I think the last thing that Perrera

533
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: remembered was I'm throwing the left hook. I'm getting rid

534
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 2: of this guy. And then and then next thing, you know,

535
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 2: somebody is saying, hey, come over here, wake up. You

536
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 2: know we're gonna get here to a stool. And you know,

537
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: that was it. And and then with the hammer fist.

538
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: It wasn't necessary. It wasn't because he was gone. But

539
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: what was necessary was where he was locked in. Mentally.

540
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: He it was killed or be killed. Not literally, not literally,

541
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 2: don't go crazy out there the people, oh no, but

542
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: the mentality had to be that because in his mind

543
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,239
Speaker 2: it was live or dying. And I'll tell you what

544
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: I mean by that, and I bet you how to soignya.

545
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: I guarantee you he feels the same way. It don't

546
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 2: have to be physical to be alive, you know, it's

547
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 2: it's spiritual. It's it's emotional, it's it's there's a difference

548
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 2: between existing and living. And for anast Sonya, if he

549
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: doesn't win that fight, he's just existing. He's not living anymore.

550
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 2: He's dead. If you're not living, you're dead. And so

551
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: for him, he had to conko or be conquered. Baby. Really,

552
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: in a true sense, he had to be It wasn't

553
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: about being angry, like, oh did you One idiot said

554
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 2: to me, did you see? Because he was I said,

555
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: you idiot, you're an idiot, You're an idiot. You're angry.

556
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: He was cold. He was the opposite. He was cold.

557
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 2: He was a cold killer. He had a cold. His

558
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,239
Speaker 2: job was he knew he was locked in. He was

559
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: locked in like a terminator where he was. He knew

560
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: that this would be one chance and this guy was

561
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,959
Speaker 2: dangerous and that when the moment came, he had to

562
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,239
Speaker 2: he had to make sure he terminated the guy, and

563
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 2: that that that's so, that was his only frame of thinking.

564
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Teddy, I wanted to ask you. I don't

565
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: want to miss out on the opportunity to pick your brain.

566
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: But you know, for me, autasania is that perfect balance

567
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: of intelligence, hits technique all that stuff. He's a rare

568
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: He's a rare breed. How rare is that you've been

569
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 1: around a lot of champions, a lot of great fighters.

570
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: But how rare is that combination when.

571
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: You get to think right now, off my head because

572
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: you hit me with tough questions. Only when I gotta

573
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 2: I gotta come right back. The only one that comes

574
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: to me is Muhammad Ali boh. I mean, there's there's

575
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: not too many. There's there's not there's not that many.

576
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: There are some, right, there are some. But that's a

577
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: great question. Actually, But he Ali would be one custom

578
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: model used to say to me my mentor, and he was,

579
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: you know, he was a genius from in boxing. And

580
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 2: he used to say teddy. He called it supreme being,

581
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 2: he called it, and then he said teddy for simpler identification,

582
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: supreme confidence. He gets. Very few people have it. And

583
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: for him it was two people. Sugar Ray Robinson, the

584
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: original Sugar Ray Robinson, who had almost two hundred professional

585
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: fights that a lot of people think it's the greatest

586
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 2: powerful pound fight of all times. He was around the forties, thirties, forties,

587
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: and Mohammad Ali that they believe that they're there for

588
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 2: a purpose, other than you know what, maybe a lot

589
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: of people think of only taking care of their family,

590
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: which are great purpose, don't get me wrong, making money,

591
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 2: you know, being successful, you know all those things. But

592
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: he felt that these people went a little beyond that.

593
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 2: And I think in certain ways that either sign of

594
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: here goes a little bit beyond that I do. And

595
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: but I just really when he it really was a

596
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: Zaire you know, Robi Dope moment. You know, it almost

597
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: doesn't do justice because he rop with Dope. It's like

598
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 2: it's you know what I mean, it's do and I

599
00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: don't do justice. What really goes into that? And hopefully

600
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 2: I did it justice a little bit.

601
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 3: Oh, you certainly did describe it. And we book you

602
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 3: before this result. So as I'm getting back to the hotel,

603
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, I love that I get to talk to Teddy.

604
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: And when I went on your podcast to fight with

605
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 3: Teddy Atlas, we bemoan in the fact that we didn't

606
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 3: have more time. Next time, we're going to book you

607
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: for a power hour, but in the nature of time,

608
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 3: because we have a few more minutes, I just wanted

609
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 3: to ask you this and we're all so I'm not

610
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,479
Speaker 3: kissing your asks like We're all so thankful to have

611
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 3: you in the MMA space. That is what I believe

612
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 3: in my heart. You've added so much to our space.

613
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 2: Thank you, guys for a lowing I say, hey, this

614
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: bonting climate to come into you guys world of royalty,

615
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: and I really but I mean it for my heart

616
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: that you guys are the best. You guys you know

617
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: have earned those seats, and thanks for allowing me to,

618
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: you know, to share space with you.

619
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 3: I guess I'm just curious in terms of MMA Blao

620
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 3: Muhammad Welterway contender has said to me, even though ivieven

621
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 3: Hermago Mattov is no longer coaching, Kabib has such value

622
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 3: to my mental on fight night that I would consider

623
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 3: not even seeing the guy for eight weeks. I just

624
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 3: want him in my corner and I wouldn't be surprised.

625
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 3: And I know you've got obviously relationships with some of

626
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 3: our ESPN Mixed Martial Arts analysts. I'm just curious if

627
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: some fighter in the UFC came to you and said, hey, man,

628
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 3: even if you can only be with me a little

629
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 3: bit during training camp, I would hugely value you on

630
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 3: fight night. Would you be willing to show up in

631
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 3: a mixed martial arts corner.

632
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 2: If I thought he was a decent person with this

633
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 2: sounds terrible, I know, but I say what I believe,

634
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 2: and I do the same thing in boxing. If he

635
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: had character, if he was a decent person that I

636
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: wanted to be around, and that's number one. Number two,

637
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 2: If I thought I could help him, Yeah, I mean

638
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 2: that's it, you know, not just because it fits in

639
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 2: because of my schedule and then because of the big moment. No,

640
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 2: if I thought that I actually could help him get

641
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 2: through some kind of bump in the road, so to speak,

642
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: and that he was a decent enough person that I

643
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 2: would want to be around and associated with as a

644
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: human being. Forget about an mm A fighter. Yeah I would, Yeah,

645
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 2: I would. And I've, like I said, I've had some

646
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: of these guys call me. One of them. I know

647
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 2: it's going to drive you nuts that I'm act like

648
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: I'm teasing a little bit. One of them call me.

649
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: He sent me a text to three in the morning.

650
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 2: I said, this ain't good. There's bats in the belfree Yeah,

651
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 2: there's some sub floating around that. You know. There's a

652
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: reason he's texted me at three in the morning. But yeah,

653
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 2: and you know, I'll finished my side of it with

654
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 2: my my again, my great mentor custom Moto. He had

655
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 2: a pretty famous client if you will, that nobody knew

656
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 2: about that used to call him in the same sort

657
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 2: of way. His name was. We mentioned him earlier, I'm

658
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 2: an alley and he would he would call cuss up

659
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 2: and he like if I was living up there, and

660
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 2: different times, you know, later, earlier, sometimes you call obviously

661
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 2: before you lived up there, before that eight year period,

662
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: he would call. And if you you don't know what

663
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: it was like for a seventeen eighteen year old kid

664
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: to pick up the phone and uh Muhammed Alleys, they

665
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: had put the old man on what you know, you know,

666
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 2: I mean, really put the old man on. That's the

667
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: old man. And but he he caught him up. He

668
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: caught him up before the former fight and he said,

669
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 2: he said, because everybody is told me I'm going to

670
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 2: get killed, which stay well, and you know this is

671
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 2: going to be the end of me. There's some people

672
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 2: that actually think I'm physically going to get killed. And

673
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,399
Speaker 2: he's on my own people, my own people. I mean,

674
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: it's a legendary story that when he was coming out

675
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 2: of the tunnel, I ear with one hundred thousand people

676
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 2: whatever waiting for this historic moment to fight this this

677
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: this beast right, uh he was. He looked back and

678
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 2: his corner, his crew was like and he said to me,

679
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 2: he goes, we're not going to a funeral. What what

680
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 2: is wrong with you people? What is We're going to

681
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: a victory over here, you know. And so anyway he

682
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: would he would call call it. I remember the one

683
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 2: I finished up on a fairs. I'm sorry if I'm

684
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 2: taking to you're good. And he he called him before

685
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 2: the that fight, the Foreman fight, and he said, because

686
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: these everyone thinks, you know, obviously I'm I'm in great

687
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: peril here. What what do I do? And he said,

688
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 2: this man's a bully. This man has a snow respect

689
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 2: for you. This man has had his right. This man

690
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 2: has never truly been tested in a way, you know.

691
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 2: And George Forman is one of the greats of all

692
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: time because he transformed himself into a great fighter a

693
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 2: second time, even greater because he learned the difference between

694
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 2: the truth and the lie, you know, the difference between

695
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 2: the truth and lie. I always tell my fighters it's

696
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 2: that when the pressure comes, when the moment comes, just

697
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: like it came without a sign. But when the moment comes,

698
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 2: the lie is that you no longer have a say

699
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: and what's gonna happen, that that is not in your control.

700
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: You feel that way. The fog takes you off, the

701
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 2: myst takes you over. You no longer have a say

702
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: in what's gonna happen. And that's a lie. And it

703
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 2: happened to Forman that Ali made him believe that he

704
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 2: no longer had to say what was gonna happen. He

705
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 2: made him believe that The truth is you always have

706
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 2: a say. It's always your choice. You make it not

707
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: your choice, you give it up. Nobody takes it, nobody

708
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: and that and what Cus was telling Ali when he

709
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 2: caught him before the Foreman fight was that. And Foreman,

710
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 2: the point I want to give Forman credit is he

711
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: became better in his second life as a fighter. He

712
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: became struggle metal. He wasn't as good athletically, but he

713
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: was better mentally, much better. And he won the title

714
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 2: at forty five against my guy, My guy. Jeez. I

715
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: shouldn't hate Foreman, but I love him and I respect

716
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 2: him because of what he what he did and when

717
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 2: I know that he did, and I understand how what

718
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: it took to do it.

719
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: So he.

720
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 2: When Ali caught him before the Foreman fight, called cus

721
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: Cus said, look, everyone's going to tell you to run.

722
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: First of all, you can't move the way used to.

723
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 2: Obviously he wasn't able to do that no more. But

724
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: he said, that's not what I would advise you to do.

725
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 2: So he said, okay, oh man, what do I do?

726
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: He said, Well, this guy has no respect for you.

727
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 2: As I said, this guy thinks he's going to go

728
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: right through you like he's gone through everybody else. And

729
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: you gotta you gotta let this guy know that this

730
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 2: is different right from the beginning. Go right out there

731
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: and hit him the right hand, he said, go right

732
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 2: across the ring. He goes. You know, you're crazy, old man.

733
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 2: He said that that's a that's you know, how the

734
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: valley was. You know that that's that's a you know,

735
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 2: that's a bast over there. That's a you know, god, uh,

736
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 2: you know, like a bear, you know, like study listened whatever.

737
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 2: He said, listen to me. You're gonna listen to me.

738
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 2: Don't call me if you're not gonna listen to me.

739
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: He said, I'm listening. Oh man, you go out there

740
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: and you hit him the right hand and you send

741
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 2: a message. Tonight is different. Tonight is different. There's no

742
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 2: cooperation tonight. You understand that word. Wow, no cooperation tonight.

743
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 2: Because he beat a lot of guys here physically, he

744
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 2: hit them. Get it, I get it. But there was

745
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: a lot of cooperation where guys just they laid themselves down.

746
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: They just they got overtaken by the enormity, the power

747
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: of the man, what the man represented, the intimidation of it,

748
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: all of it, all of it. It became too much.

749
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 2: And Chus wanted to make sure that didn't become too much.

750
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 2: And he wanted to send a message that He said,

751
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 2: this guy is just a man. Everyone's making them this monster.

752
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: He's just a man. He said, you got to go

753
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: out there, hit him and send a message. Not tonight,

754
00:41:53,960 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 2: no cooperation tonight. I'm giving you nothing. And I tell

755
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 2: you he the message was received. The Messias was at

756
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 2: the end quite frankly, Foreman, And you can say this now,

757
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: I love Foreman, and he's done such great things. Afterwards,

758
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: but he gave up. He submitted. He got hit that

759
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: right hand. He pirotted around in the round I think

760
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 2: it was he did. He did. He gave up because

761
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: he really believed that this guy became kind of like

762
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 2: what he was represented as to everybody else. He became

763
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 2: that boogeyman.

764
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: Hall thinking, I think, I think that's beautifully said Teddy.

765
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: I want to ask I want to pick your brain

766
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 1: one more thing. I know, I know you're busy. I

767
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: want to ask you one more ques is there is

768
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: there something that you see in mixed martial arts on

769
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: a striking level, on a technical level, maybe one or

770
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: two things that you could recommend, that you could say,

771
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: I would like to see more of this from MMA fighters.

772
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: What are one or two things that you think MMA

773
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: guys can learn from boxers on a technical level that

774
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: you'd like to see more of?

775
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 2: Can I dare to be self serving?

776
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: Sure?

777
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I am. I apologize because yours. I hate

778
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: when people don't. But I I do instructional videos type

779
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 2: videos for the last three years now. I never thought

780
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 2: I would do this stuff. Never, And it's with the

781
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: biggest company of it in the world, Dynamic Striking and

782
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 2: also uh BJJ fanatics, Brazilian fanatics. So they came two

783
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 2: good guys that run the company really good guys. And

784
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 2: they gave to me three years ago, and initially I

785
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 2: was I was not interested in doing it. And they said, look,

786
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: we're the biggest in the world at MMA, but we

787
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: want to get into the striking part of it. More

788
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: open up, dight nowic story. We'd like you to be

789
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: the guy to help us get entry into that. And

790
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 2: I'm so such a gay man, I really am, and

791
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 2: not too small certain things, thank God. I know something

792
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: about fighting, thank god. And they they I said to

793
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 2: my door, they're gonna sell these, saying yeah, Dad, they're

794
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: gonna I said, how are they gonna do? They make videos?

795
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 2: She said that, don't tell anyone that because really it's embarrassing.

796
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 2: Please I love you your I'm your daughter, but please

797
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: say they. I said, well, how are they gonna sell it?

798
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 2: And he said they do streaming. I said streaming, forget it.

799
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is. I said, nobody's gonna

800
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: buy the damn thing. I ain't do it. So my

801
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,479
Speaker 2: daughter dragged me into it. We went into the gym.

802
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: We did it. We five hours. We did the first

803
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 2: one Teddy Atlas the Basics of boxing whatever right elementary,

804
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: And two weeks later they called up saying it's a

805
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 2: number one seller and we'd like to continue down this road.

806
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 2: Long story, short, fast forward. We've done eighteen of them now,

807
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 2: all of them. All of them have were boxing. We

808
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:05,439
Speaker 2: just did a new one are nineteen two weeks ago,

809
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: so it takes about a month to edit it. Get

810
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 2: it up. It's not up here, yep. It's the first

811
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 2: one that is geared form may strike power punches striking form. MA.

812
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 2: I never want to go there. I didn't think I belong.

813
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: I gotta be honest. You got elbows coming and me's

814
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: coming and cat's coming and houses flying, you know. And

815
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 2: I was like, no, we just stick to what Teddy

816
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 2: does boxing. But they said, Teddy, they want you. I said,

817
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 2: come on, they said no, Teddy, I'm telling you. I'm

818
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 2: telling you, there's a market for If you don't do this,

819
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 2: you're missing a boat. So anyway, we did, so we'll

820
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 2: see how it does. So it's going to be out awesome.

821
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: And the thing, here's the thing to answer your question.

822
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry I went on the back roads to

823
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: answer it, but yeah, the things that I would there's

824
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: a few things, but the things that strike me and

825
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 2: jump at me defense that just simple. I'm gonna make

826
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: it really like painting by numbers, where like move yourhead

827
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 2: after your last punch, like you know, just just the

828
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: defense will component and not just the obvious component like

829
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: they do pretty good at range stepping out of range

830
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 2: and you know, a basic thing, but drill down, drilled

831
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: down to where like Couch would say, Teddy, you want

832
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 2: to be a great trainer, you got to make them

833
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 2: do it until they can't do it wrong, until it

834
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 2: becomes subconscious reflective, like they couldn't do it long if

835
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 2: they wanted to, and it's not there because these guys

836
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: are so tough there. So I have such admiration and

837
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 2: respect for them, I really do with everything they deal

838
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 2: with in that octagon. That it's just about the offensive

839
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: part that they haven't really drilled down to make it

840
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 2: reflexive with the defensive part, and that component of it

841
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: would be one of my concentrate. There's others, but that

842
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 2: would be And and look, I used to say when

843
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: I was doing all the broadcasting on ESPN that some

844
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 2: guys have to go to they should go to a

845
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 2: butcher before the fight, and people would be like, Teddy,

846
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 2: what do you mean they should go to a butcher,

847
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: I said, cut some of the fat off those punches.

848
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 2: I said, there's too much fat. And I would lean.

849
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 2: I would lean the punches. I would cut some of

850
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 2: the fat over some of their punches where they they

851
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 2: they invite incoming by being just a little wide in

852
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 2: certain areas. And and and I would break certain habits

853
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 2: like you know, the habit I talked about earlier why

854
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: I signally knocked out Pereira because Perrera didn't know no

855
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 2: in my book. He led with love, took in fun

856
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 2: that that those rules, those laws would would be part

857
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 2: of what I would bring, you know, to MMA in

858
00:47:58,600 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: the same sort of way.

859
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you for that. That's that's super helpful.

860
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: Couldn't agree more. We're actually joined by famed m m

861
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: A coach Ray Longo. Ray. Have you met Teddy before?

862
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: Have you guys met before?

863
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 2: No?

864
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 5: I met his partner before, Ken. I think it was

865
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 5: a great, great guy. But how's it going?

866
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 2: Teddy?

867
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 5: Always a big fan of you, as I'm sure everybody

868
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 5: else is.

869
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: But uh, great to see it. Let me follow up

870
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 2: one thing with Kenny.

871
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 5: Like what Gus said, you have to train it uh

872
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 5: till you can't get it wrong. I mean I think

873
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 5: one of the problems, like not the problem because I

874
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 5: think it's a good thing, but it can also be

875
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 5: a bad thing. Is most of that has to be

876
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 5: done with sparring, I believe, to where it becomes reflective

877
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 5: because you're on the fire all the time and the

878
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 5: and that just today is to move away.

879
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 2: From sparring more drilling everybody with the CT. Do you

880
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: feel like it's different now because of that that you

881
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: have to maybe overdrill it. But say, I've seen guys

882
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: get what you're talking about through sparring and only through sparring.

883
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 2: My approach to it is a little different, quite frankly.

884
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 2: I mean, I get what you're saying. I understand it

885
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: very much. First of all, it's gonna be responsible spark it.

886
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 2: I always remind people you don't get paid for these.

887
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: There's no winner and loser, you know, there's no judging

888
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: who got to This is about learning and it's not

889
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 2: about leaving it in the gym and burning yourself up

890
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: in the gym, you know, and getting damaged in the gym.

891
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: It's about learning, and so it should be responsible, controlled,

892
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 2: monitored sparring. I only like I SPA for whatever period

893
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: of time I decided should be doing the camp uh

894
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:47,919
Speaker 2: three days a week. That that that's it. And I

895
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,479
Speaker 2: as far as the teaching part of it, I thrill

896
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: without the spark. And I'll tell you why. There's too

897
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 2: much emotion, too much fear. And I'm not afraid to

898
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 2: use that word where you know you're just surviving, you're

899
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 2: just having to as you said, you said it very well,

900
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 2: where you have to just get in there and get

901
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 2: it done and just do it and react it just

902
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 2: whatever comes natural to a certain extent. And I want

903
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 2: to form habits that later become natural. They're not natural.

904
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 2: I know they're not natural. You know it's natural. I'll

905
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 2: get a kid and get them to draw punches. A

906
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,240
Speaker 2: kid that never went in the gym, but he won't

907
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 2: slip the punches, he won't weave the punches. That's not natural.

908
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 2: That has to be taught. So I will put the

909
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: time in where I will get in the ring with them,

910
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 2: whether it's with the pants or just my hands. I

911
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 2: do the old fansciway, just hands, because the pants sometimes

912
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 2: they it's not it's not true to what's really happening

913
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 2: because it's too spread out. You put the pants out

914
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 2: of here. You got guys punching out. You know. It's

915
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 2: it's not really always honest. The hands could be right here,

916
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 2: and it's just a little bit more true to the

917
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 2: actuality of what you want the guy to do and

918
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 2: what he's doing and what he's dealing with and where

919
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,439
Speaker 2: the bunches are coming from. So I'll get in there

920
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 2: and I would just drill him where empty punch. I

921
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 2: drow a punch at him. He's got to move his head.

922
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 2: And I would drill him for hours every day. It's

923
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 2: it's it's a lot of it's a lot of time,

924
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 2: and it's a lot of work, but it pays off.

925
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 2: And the reason why it pays off is because they're

926
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 2: calm enough in that environment to be able to think it,

927
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 2: you know, to be able to get it and and

928
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 2: you know, do it and and be able to grasp

929
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 2: where there's not you know, there's no fire going on,

930
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 2: you know, like there is when you're sparing. You know,

931
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 2: you don't you don't have to just you know, keep

932
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 2: a guy off you and and maybe hurt a guy

933
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 2: to do that. And to it's just learning. It's you're

934
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: in you're truly in the classroom, and you take the

935
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 2: emotional component out of it where they can be calm

936
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 2: enough to digest it and to understand and to pick up,

937
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 2: you know, to form the habit of it where you

938
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 2: make a good point when they're doing it in the sparring. See,

939
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 2: I'm the opposite. If you try to teach them doing

940
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 2: the sparring, they ain't gonna get it. They might pick

941
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 2: up a little something here and there, but their concentration

942
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 2: is going to wind up going to surviving. It's going

943
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 2: to wind up going to you know, uh, winning, keeping

944
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 2: the guy, offer, attacking the guy, you know, doing what

945
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 2: it's natural that's been formed already. I want to form

946
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 2: new habits. I want to actually eliminate some old happens.

947
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 2: And the only way I can do that is in

948
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 2: a very calm environment. And that means to separate the sparring,

949
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 2: to take it out of the sparring and put it

950
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 2: where there's no danger. When you're trying to teach a

951
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 2: guy somewhere there's a terrain of danger, it's very difficult

952
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 2: to teach them. You take them out of that terrain

953
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 2: of danger, and it's it's it's what it's supposed to be.

954
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 2: Because these moves are not that difficult. They're not that scientific.

955
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 2: They don't take the greatest athlete in the world to

956
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: perform them. The hinderance to it that makes it difficult

957
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 2: is the danger. That component that's what makes it difficult. Well, guy,

958
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 2: I want to teach a guy, he's that letter to

959
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 2: do this at the right time. And yet they will. Yeah,

960
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 2: they're pulled back, right, they're reflectively pulled back from it

961
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 2: instead of doing that because of the component of danger.

962
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 2: And when you remove that you can be a pure

963
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 2: you get it to pure teaching. And and it's kind

964
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 2: of like, if you're going to be a far the

965
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 2: soil has to be just right to take on the seed.

966
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 2: And for me, the soil is removed from the spine

967
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 2: that for me, fifty years doing this, I feel that

968
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:20,760
Speaker 2: that's the only way. That's that's the only way. Because

969
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 2: Demando used to say to me, it was really interesting,

970
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 2: and you're probably got to kick out of this. He

971
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 2: used to say, Teddy, you take these guys. They're great athletes,

972
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 2: and they're at a certain point in their developments as

973
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 2: a person and as a fight or whatever, and they

974
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 2: got things in their head already, so they know that

975
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,400
Speaker 2: you're tell I tore the punch, wait till last second

976
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 2: out and slip it. But they know they could get

977
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 2: hurt with that, They could get hit by that, and

978
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:52,360
Speaker 2: so it screws them up, It fogs them up. You know,

979
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 2: they hesitate, they pull back, they do what they think

980
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 2: is safe, even though that's not safe. That's the you know,

981
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 2: they think that is instinctively. So he said, but you

982
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 2: take a kid, you take a kid where it's just

983
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 2: another game at a very young age. You say, he

984
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 2: do this? Who don't? And you see you see these

985
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 2: videos sometimes and and he said, they do. You know

986
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 2: why because because they have informed in their head that

987
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 2: it's dangerous, it's a game. You remove that component from it.

988
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 2: And that and now that they are the purest form

989
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 2: of a student, the purest form of a student, that

990
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 2: they can receive what you're teaching them, where the older

991
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,360
Speaker 2: guys can't receive it, not as easily, not as cleanly.

992
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 2: Because that so, yeah, so I always understood that. Yeah,

993
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 2: that's that's definitely true. That's like trying to throw throw

994
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 2: a guy in the military at forty you know, I

995
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 2: mean doesn't want to, he don't want nothing to do

996
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 2: with it. You need those young guys.

997
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 3: Oh, No, I think that's awesome, Teddy.

998
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you one more thing as far

999
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 1: as the current crop of boxers. You know you do

1000
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: see this evolution of boxing. I'm sure you saw a

1001
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 1: big difference and when you were just starting out as

1002
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: a coach to where the boxers are now. Where do

1003
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: you see the current crop of generation of boxers now

1004
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: and do you think they're better than the previous generation.

1005
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 1: Are you seeing a positive evolution in the sport in

1006
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: your opinion or is it just kind of fundamentally the same.

1007
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: And if you see someone out there that is kind

1008
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: of that greatest evolution, who is it? Is it a

1009
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 1: mayweather in your opinion? You know, how are things progressing

1010
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 1: in your opinion?

1011
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 2: That's a good question. We got problems. One of the reasons.

1012
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 2: One of the problems is the best guys are allowed

1013
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 2: to fight the best guys anymore so doughty and shrinks

1014
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 2: a little bit. You guys got the answers. You know,

1015
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 2: the best of fighting the best period. There's no there's

1016
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 2: no free lunch over there now, Listen, I understand the difference.

1017
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 2: You have a dictator named Dyana White, who I really love. No,

1018
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 2: I love the guy. I really, I'm being sincere. He's

1019
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 2: he's a genius. He knows, he knows how to build

1020
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 2: a business. He don't play games, you know. He sticks

1021
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 2: to what he believes in and fak you. If you

1022
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 2: have another go go over there, Go go wherever someone's

1023
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 2: gonna listen to you. I believe in what I'm doing here,

1024
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 2: and I'm doing it and and it's it's right. But

1025
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 2: he cares. Look, I know he's making money, I get it.

1026
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 2: But being that he runs the whole show, he cares

1027
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 2: about the product. The product, the brand has to succeed

1028
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 2: and has to be good. In my business, these promoters,

1029
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 2: there's like five power broke brocus. That's about it. Four

1030
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 2: or five of them, that's it. And they only care

1031
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 2: about their piece of power. They deal with the network

1032
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 2: you know, uh, that that they have, you know, the

1033
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 2: the the deal with you know that that that's their

1034
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 2: that's their money. They care about that and the group

1035
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 2: of fighters they have keeping them undefeated, making the network

1036
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 2: people that feed the money, you know, uh happy that

1037
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 2: they got undefeated records, they got belts, they got all

1038
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 2: that stuff. They don't care about them necessarily evolving into

1039
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 2: the best fighter. Because the only way you can involve

1040
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 2: into the best fighter is fight the best guys, not

1041
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 2: just navigated guyde to the best record. But they that's

1042
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 2: what they do for the most part. The guys of

1043
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 2: what they are. They have two hundred Amazon fights, you know,

1044
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 2: like custom used to say, Teddy, if you don't know

1045
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 2: how to fight, after two of the fights, go sell

1046
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 2: cherry ices person free, you know what I mean. So

1047
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 2: they they they already came with that. But they're not

1048
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 2: gonna get better because they're not gonna be fortunate fire.

1049
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 2: They're not gonna be But your guys get forced in

1050
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 2: the fire. Your guys gonna have ten losses, fifteen losses,

1051
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 2: eight losses, It don't matter. They can beat the top

1052
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 2: guy on any given night because they they have been

1053
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:18,479
Speaker 2: fire tested and forged. They they're the real steel. They're

1054
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 2: the sword that you put into the moulten, you know,

1055
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 2: leg and it's gonna stand up when it's hit. It's

1056
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 2: not gonna break and combat. So the problem is that's

1057
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 2: one problem. The other problem the fans don't get satisfied.

1058
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 2: The sport doesn't grow, the sport doesn't involve. Your sport

1059
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 2: keeps evolving because every week there's a competitive fight it

1060
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 2: don't matter. It's a good fight. It's a compettion. Anyone

1061
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 2: could win the fight for the most part, and it

1062
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 2: and there's upsets. It don't happen like that in boxing.

1063
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 2: It doesn't.

1064
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: Or can't evolve if the best aren't fighting the best.

1065
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 2: And fans can't be fed. The fans are hungry that

1066
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:05,200
Speaker 2: you got to feed them, and you know thing, you're

1067
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 2: starving them to death. That's why they jumped over all

1068
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 2: over Paquiel Mayweather fight years ago. There was five six

1069
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 2: years too late. It was too late, but they jumped.

1070
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 2: They couldn't get it fast because and I said it,

1071
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 2: because it doesn't starving a dead first. And they saw this.

1072
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,959
Speaker 2: They saw that, they said, oh, here it is, look

1073
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 2: at this oasis. They didn't understand. It was a mirage.

1074
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 2: And all they got was saying they didn't understand. But

1075
01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 2: they did afterwards because they heard us going forward with

1076
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 2: paper view. People didn't believe it's.

1077
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 3: All right exactly.

1078
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 2: They were careful. But so your brand grows, your fans

1079
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,959
Speaker 2: get a peace, your fans get pleased, your fans get

1080
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:58,479
Speaker 2: fed and watered. You know ours don't. So that's that's

1081
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 2: that's one problem. And the other thing is we don't

1082
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,959
Speaker 2: have teachers no more. Yeah, I said it. Some people

1083
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 2: are gonna be upset someone that we don't have teachers

1084
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 2: no more. We just got guys. They puttees and there's

1085
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 2: no there's no process to say you shouldn't be training

1086
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 2: a fighter that could be dangerous his health. You shouldn't

1087
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 2: be there. You you you were just you know, flipping

1088
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 2: edge yesterday somewhere. And then if somebody told you that

1089
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 2: there was a gym over there where there were fighters

1090
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 2: that you came in and all of a sudden, you

1091
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 2: had a towel, you know, you wiped off the yoke

1092
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 2: up your face, walked in there, and you say, and

1093
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 2: you talked some guy into it because you know, because

1094
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 2: again there's nobody. There's nobody saying you can't just get

1095
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 2: a license, you can't just train somebody. You have to

1096
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 2: have an apprenticeship, you have to have a background, you

1097
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 2: have to have served time and in the business. But

1098
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 2: so there's you got that situation. So you got no teachers.

1099
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 2: So the fighters learn, they get two hundred amateur fights,

1100
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 2: they learn or they quit or they or they learn

1101
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 2: from fighting, you know, and they have the talent and

1102
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 2: it gets developed and but they they don't necessarily evolve

1103
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 2: into the best fighter they could because of what I

1104
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 2: just laid out for you. And there's there's another problem.

1105
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 2: There's too many options. See, the fighters in an old

1106
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 2: day they were better for several reasons. One, they fought

1107
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 2: the best competition. You get better, that's it. You don't

1108
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 2: need Teddy Atlas at time. You get better. But also

1109
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 2: there was less options. Nowadays it's like, you know, they

1110
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 2: ask you, you know, like four thousand questions before they

1111
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 2: accept the fight. Well, did you teet this check? Does yeah?

1112
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 2: You know, and okay, can I do it? I mean,

1113
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 2: you know, it's the way the world is the way

1114
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 2: the world to a certain extent. But in your business

1115
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 2: you don't have that many options. And you know, and

1116
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 2: it's mandated that you understand that you better make the

1117
01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 2: best of these and be ready for these opportunities. So

1118
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 2: there's too many options. They're not extrang mentally some of them.

1119
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 2: Hey look we've got some really good fighters, there's no

1120
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 2: doubt about it. But as far as the question you

1121
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 2: asked me, as far as the depth of it, the

1122
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 2: amount of it, Yeah, no, no, no, you go back

1123
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 2: in these that was the healthiest time for me. The

1124
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 2: thirties and forties to twenties, you had the greatest fighters.

1125
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 2: Some of them had two hundred three hundred professional fights.

1126
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 2: It was crazy. But you're never gonna have that error.

1127
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 2: I get it. But now, I mean henvy onst for

1128
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 2: like thirty times in one year. These guys they fight

1129
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 2: thirty times a day. They had like two careers, you

1130
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 2: know what I mean. But you're not going to get

1131
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 2: guys like that. And he had the greatest fighting. They

1132
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 2: nicknamed ha'ma saying hey, you know, Chus used to say,

1133
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 2: you know this guy homicide hank Baby like people back

1134
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 2: in those they just say when, when and how much?

1135
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 2: You know that that's all that's all they care about.

1136
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 2: But if you if you got a call nowadays because

1137
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 2: we left, Cus used to say, my five, but I

1138
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 2: will hold my fight. What's the social security number, what's

1139
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 2: the what's its? What's his cell phone? I want to call?

1140
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 2: They don't say they go through all that stuff, right,

1141
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:32,360
Speaker 2: So cous said, all you have to do to shut

1142
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 2: those guys up, all you have to do this, and

1143
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 2: you're fighting homicide Act click hello, Hello, Hello, Hello, I

1144
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 2: ain't fighting homicide. I so look in all seriousness, you

1145
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 2: don't have as many good fighting you got some. Crawford

1146
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 2: is incredible spence, He's a horse. Crawford is is so instinctual.

1147
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 2: He he can pauns you carried up and wait, and

1148
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 2: he's mental, He's cerebral. He figures it out. He's one

1149
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 2: of these guys because you used to say the great

1150
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 2: ones that he they created as they do it. How

1151
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 2: designer does that. They actually can create it as it's happening.

1152
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 2: Very few can do that. And I actually broke down

1153
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 2: film for ESPN years ago for Crawfit and his formative fights,

1154
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 2: and I wanted to understand him. And I'm all by

1155
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 2: myself looking at these and I'm watching. But it was

1156
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 2: his first big fight before he got to where he

1157
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 2: got and he gets hurt. He's a great switch hitter

1158
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 2: lefty right. He really good. And he was in the

1159
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 2: Southport stance and he gets hit Southports get the right

1160
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 2: hand sometimes. He got hit at his legs when robbery

1161
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 2: and he was hurt and it was like, oh, and

1162
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 2: I'm breaking it down. I'm going slow motion. You know,

1163
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 2: I know how to do that and know how to

1164
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 2: go slow motion. That's about it, you know, as far

1165
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 2: as technology and I'm looking at it, and I said,

1166
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:00,959
Speaker 2: oh my god, did he just what I think he did?

1167
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 2: And I guarantee he doesn't know he did this. And

1168
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,479
Speaker 2: in the midst of being hurt, as he went back

1169
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 2: to you know, get himself together, he switches from southpaw

1170
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 2: to ortodogs to take the right hand away and knowing

1171
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 2: that the fighter who was coming after him was gonna

1172
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 2: load up on right hands, he would probably get a

1173
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:27,600
Speaker 2: little fat, a little old, anxious, and he'd be vulnerable

1174
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 2: to a left hook counter. Oh my god, and I

1175
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:32,919
Speaker 2: want I said, I gotta watch. I had to watch it.

1176
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 2: I was I was like Joe Rogan said, I'm gonna

1177
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,720
Speaker 2: watch this one million times, and and I watched it again.

1178
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 2: I watch it again. I watched it. Guy said, holy crap,

1179
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 2: he did it. He switched and he didn't even know

1180
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 2: he did. So anyway, I get him in front of

1181
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 2: the film and I show it to him. I said, Terrence,

1182
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 2: I want you to see this. And he's looking at it.

1183
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 2: He said, you know you did that. He goes, no,

1184
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 2: you never see that before, he goes, Ever, this is

1185
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 2: the first time on realizing I said, you just did it.

1186
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 2: Do you know that You're just instantially, innately, just did it. Yeah,

1187
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 2: that's he's one of the special ones. There's a few

1188
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 2: of them. There's a few of them. But back in

1189
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 2: the eighties, we don't want to go to the thirties.

1190
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 2: It's a little too far from for people. But that

1191
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 2: was the healthiest time in my sport. And there was

1192
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 2: a couple of reasons why you had network TV. That

1193
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 2: it was free TV. That that everyone you could identify

1194
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 2: with these guys. You got to know who they were,

1195
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 2: you know, So so everybody can see it on ABC,

1196
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 2: on on you know, Wide World of Sport on Saturday,

1197
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 2: Sunday afternoons, whatever, NBC, you know, whatever it was that was,

1198
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 2: that was number one. But here here's the real You

1199
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 2: had talented fighters, you know, but you have talented fighters

1200
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 2: today too, But back then they actually fought everybody. They

1201
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 2: fought of the talented fighters. And that's a novel idea.

1202
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 2: They actually fought the fight. And so you have heard yeah,

1203
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 2: you know, I mean Duran fighting leted you had heard that,

1204
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 2: Marvin Aglas and yeah, you had you had all these

1205
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,680
Speaker 2: great fighting. You got some really talented fighters today, but

1206
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 2: they were fighting each other. The best were fighting the best.

1207
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 2: They were becoming better and the fans were being satisfied,

1208
01:08:29,280 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 2: you know, and the sport was growing because of that.

1209
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:36,719
Speaker 2: So that is I hope I answered your question. Those

1210
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 2: those that's the disparities as far as then and now

1211
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 2: and what's missing.

1212
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 3: Well, I hope Teddy that you'll uh that she'll accept

1213
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 3: my apology right because I get the legend Teddy outlets

1214
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 3: on my podcast and for the first time, no, for

1215
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 3: the first time Teddy and Ray and Kenny in my

1216
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 3: broadcasting career, I got a call from Steven A. Smith

1217
01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 3: to go on, first, take what's the man to do?

1218
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 1: Right? What's the man? I broke away for ten minutes.

1219
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 3: My children, Teddy, that's the only reason why I would

1220
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 3: do that. But I just want to apologize. That was unforeseen.

1221
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 3: I had to break away. Since you're still here.

1222
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 2: Stephen A is one of those what I said earlier,

1223
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 2: I care about being around good people. Forget the fact

1224
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 2: that he can talk fast. You know, he can actually

1225
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 2: have talk me. It's unbelievable, but really it's not too

1226
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 2: it's not too many. It's close. It's close. But but

1227
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 2: forget about the fact that he uses good words and

1228
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 2: and he can put them together in the right frame

1229
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:42,640
Speaker 2: him in the right way. He's a decent person that

1230
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 2: cares about the right things. And so if you would

1231
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:47,640
Speaker 2: have told me, and I'm not going to mention some

1232
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 2: of the names, but if you would have told me

1233
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 2: a couple of other names, I would have been, like John,

1234
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 2: I'm a little disappointed over here, I am, But no,

1235
01:09:57,240 --> 01:10:01,600
Speaker 2: I'm not disappointed at all. And what you what you

1236
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 2: just said and talking to a really good person. And

1237
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 2: you guys obviously are good people.

1238
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 3: And as I understand it, you're gonna be with us

1239
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 3: at UFC two eighty eight in Newark, New Jersey. Is

1240
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 3: that Am I allowed to say that?

1241
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, Carlie Monahan, the Charlie Monahan has given me

1242
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:22,839
Speaker 2: the green light that you know, go figure, I finished

1243
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 2: with this gold figure fifty years in a business. He

1244
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 2: is boxing ESPN don't have big whole fights no more.

1245
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 2: But they gotta be over working at UFC.

1246
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,680
Speaker 3: By request. Hey, you're the best. Thank you enough man.

1247
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 3: You elevated the whole room and honor Teddy.

1248
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 2: Thank you, Teddy. Plea to be with good people. Thank you.

1249
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 1: Just a hall of fame human being as well.

1250
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 3: The Great Teddy Atlass Boxing Trainers eighteen World champions on

1251
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 3: Instagram Teddy Underscore Atlas Underscore ig. His show is the

1252
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 3: Fight with Teddy Atlas at the Fight w t A

1253
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:57,680
Speaker 3: right long ago. It's great to see him. Man the

1254
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:00,719
Speaker 3: chicken pound Chicken. By the way, we'll look so good

1255
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 3: when I see their social media videos. So I have

1256
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 3: I have to get some here in Boca Ratzon Fellas,

1257
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:09,919
Speaker 3: I'm really sorry. I'm really fucking sorry. That was totally unfortunate.

1258
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 4: That was that was hysterical and I couldn't could I

1259
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 4: was trying to keep up.

1260
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 2: With him, Kenny, I was trumble god. But I'll tell

1261
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 2: you one thing.

1262
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:20,320
Speaker 4: The eighties I think the difference because if he would

1263
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,679
Speaker 4: have said anything else, that would have been disappointed. Because

1264
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 4: I run those films in the gym probably every day

1265
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 4: we look at fights from the eighties because it was

1266
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 4: the golden year for us guys anyway. I mean, I'm

1267
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 4: a little older than you, but but there was ten

1268
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 4: guys in each weight class that could have been a champion.

1269
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 4: And I think that's what he was saying. That was

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Speaker 4: the difference. You know, as far as d Ran going,

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Speaker 4: you know, fighting hag It the rim was a was

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01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 4: a lightweight moving up to these guys, So what could

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01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 4: you say about him? He was a thirty five pound

1274
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 4: of going up to forty seven to sixty crazy stuff,

1275
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,160
Speaker 4: but that you want to see boxing to me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah it really was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I don't know how much I missed thanks

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01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 3: to our longtime friend Molly karm ken Flow. She started

1279
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 3: the interview today by suggesting that the last time the

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Speaker 3: two of us were on TV together was two thousand

1281
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 3: and eight, so that dated all of us. But if

1282
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:14,000
Speaker 3: you don't know, Chenny Flory and Molly Karam and I

1283
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 3: alongside the f mac Franklin McNeil, whose breath might buckle

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Speaker 3: you to a five mood and by the way, love

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Speaker 3: you Franklin.

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Speaker 1: What it was?

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Speaker 3: Star Ledger, longtime reporter. I'm just messing around, but we

1288
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 3: launched MMA Live in two thousand and eight and we

1289
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 3: fought to get Mixed Martial Arts on TV. Eventually that

1290
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:33,799
Speaker 3: show got to ESPN two in twenty ten. But pretty

1291
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 3: emotional being back on TV with Molly who's become this

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01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:38,639
Speaker 3: massive television star, and Steven a who obviously has embraced

1293
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 3: the UFC to such an extent but supremely apologetic. To

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01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 3: have to break away, I thought it would be four minutes.

1295
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 3: It ended up being a little bit longer, but I digress.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what I missed, but I want to

1297
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 3: lead with this if I I felt like eventually the

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01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 3: experience edge for Autosanja and mixed martial arts would be

1299
01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:01,599
Speaker 3: a factor in this two fight series, right, And certainly

1300
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 3: we were wowed by Alex Paeda, who got to a

1301
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 3: UFC title fight and I believe his fourth or fifth

1302
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 3: UFC fight. But eventually you had to think, Kenny, that

1303
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 3: this wealth of UFC experience and MMA experience and championship

1304
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 3: fights that Izzy had accrued would be a factor. And

1305
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was a factor in that

1306
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 3: fight ending sequence. Kenny, I'll go to you on this,

1307
01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:24,679
Speaker 3: but I do believe that eventually experience became a factor

1308
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:25,400
Speaker 3: in this fight.

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01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 1: I think that's accurate. Absolutely. I think that even the

1310
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 1: most experienced fighters can fall victim to that. Why. I

1311
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:36,720
Speaker 1: think a lot of it has to do with their

1312
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:40,639
Speaker 1: emotional intelligence as well. I think there's your fight, IQ,

1313
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 1: and then there's your emotional intelligence and who you are

1314
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:46,799
Speaker 1: as a person and who you are as a fighter.

1315
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 1: Pereira is a fighter through and through, and if he

1316
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 1: senses the kill. He's going to go for it, and

1317
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 1: I think Atisania understood that. It's a perfect example of

1318
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:02,599
Speaker 1: what Sun Sue said, right, stand yourself, understand the enemy,

1319
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 1: and you will be undefeated, right, and one of those

1320
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 1: things something like that. But he understood himself and he

1321
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 1: understood the enemy. He understood that Pereira, if he saw

1322
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 1: that he was gonna hurt, be hurt, was going to

1323
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 1: move forward for the kill and that's where he got him.

1324
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 3: This was the twenty sixth professional fight for Audashani Cody.

1325
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 3: I know you're chiming in interim title fight for Izzy

1326
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,000
Speaker 3: was his sixth UFC fight. I'm talking about the wealth

1327
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 3: of mixed martial arts experience. Padeda had one MMA fight

1328
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 3: I think way back in the day, but he's only

1329
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 3: been three years full time in mixed martial arts.

1330
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 1: That's it.

1331
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:38,240
Speaker 3: So really happy for Israel. A lot of Sonya and

1332
01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 3: if you saw the long sit down I did with him,

1333
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 3: we talked about a lot of people in the public

1334
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 3: eye feeling sort of perpetually misunderstood, and it's just a

1335
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 3: really good human being, a really deep individual that is

1336
01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 3: able to tap into a spirituality that I've tried at

1337
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 3: times to tap into Kenny, and uh, I don't know.

1338
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 3: I can't meditate to save my life, but I really

1339
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:00,600
Speaker 3: do believe that this is just a soul man and

1340
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 3: just bring so very much to the table. Did you

1341
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 3: guys get a chance to talk about Gilbert Burns and

1342
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 3: Jorge game Brett Mosfiedal. Okay, all right, so that's pretty wild.

1343
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 3: You guys have been ripping for fucking sixty minutes. You

1344
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 3: didn't talk about Gilbert Aerino Burns.

1345
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: I did want to interrupt Teddy Atalas, I just let him.

1346
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 1: I just let him go. I wound him up and

1347
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 1: just let him go. Man. It was an absolute honor

1348
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:20,679
Speaker 1: to just hear him talk.

1349
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 3: There are so many different ways to attack this Burns

1350
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 3: Mosfiedal fight. We could do career retrospective stuff on Jorge

1351
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 3: Mosfiedal and his entire legacy, but Gilbert Durinho Burns is

1352
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 3: back on a championship trajectory. The Neil Magni win the

1353
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:36,639
Speaker 3: win over Jorge Mosfiedal. He did allege that he felt

1354
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 3: like mos Vidal was lotioned up. I don't know if

1355
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 3: that if that crossed your wake, Kenny, that he said

1356
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 3: that he felt like George had been lotioning up all

1357
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 3: day and he was pretty slippery. But ultimately there were

1358
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 3: people Dustin Poier and others that did not believe Burns

1359
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 3: was going to be able to realize success with his

1360
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 3: takedown game. He was able to take Moscital down four times,

1361
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 3: keep him there at times, also opened up some of

1362
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 3: his striking and a clear decision result for Gilbert Erino Burns.

1363
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:04,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was that was kind of the

1364
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 1: more surprising part, and I think it certainly played a

1365
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 1: role in how successful he was against Masvidal. There's no

1366
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,679
Speaker 1: question in my mind that that Gilbert Burns is timing

1367
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 1: and his technical acumen and when it comes to the

1368
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 1: takedown game has been much improved. But I also think

1369
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 1: you also have to acknowledge that Jorge Masvidal, his reaction

1370
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: time and I mentioned it on the last podcast, just

1371
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 1: isn't what it used to be. He's he wasn't seeing

1372
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,719
Speaker 1: the punches the way he used to, and he wasn't

1373
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:35,920
Speaker 1: seeing the entries into the legs into the clinches like

1374
01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 1: he used to, and Gilbert Burns took full advantage of that.

1375
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 1: I think that he was landing a lot of right

1376
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 1: hands because of it, and he was landing a lot

1377
01:16:44,160 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 1: of entries into the legs because of it as well,

1378
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:50,880
Speaker 1: and Mozvedal just seemed like he was just a little

1379
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: bit too slow for Gilbert. Gilbert was always a step

1380
01:16:53,240 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 1: ahead man.

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01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I think we said it even last week.

1382
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 2: Is that I don't know he did.

1383
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 4: He looked slow, and I think that was the difference

1384
01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 4: in the fight. I think he made the right decision

1385
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 4: with retire. It was great to see him with his family.

1386
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 4: You know, you got a street kid, a total street

1387
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 4: kid growing up in Miami who looks like he evolved

1388
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,320
Speaker 4: into just a great father and a nice guy.

1389
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 2: And to me, that's the story.

1390
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:19,759
Speaker 4: And again we we've talked about this in the past,

1391
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 4: guys going out, you know with their retirement fights that

1392
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:26,080
Speaker 4: you know, they give him a horrible fight. This was

1393
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:27,679
Speaker 4: a good fight, you know what I mean, one hundred

1394
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 4: percent loss, but he got out of there. You know,

1395
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:32,680
Speaker 4: with his dignity and everything else that a lot of

1396
01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 4: guys don't they get not silly and it's I think

1397
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 4: it's horrible, But that was a great.

1398
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 2: Fight to retire.

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Speaker 4: He's in front of it, in front of his hometown crowd.

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01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 4: I thought it was just great with his kids in there.

1401
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:46,720
Speaker 1: Great guy. Did you know what else could he do.

1402
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 4: For the sport? I mean he uh, he made the

1403
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:51,719
Speaker 4: most of what he had and uh, I think he's

1404
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:53,840
Speaker 4: he's gonna have a you know, he's gonna have a

1405
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:55,680
Speaker 4: great time. He said, he made his money and he

1406
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:58,720
Speaker 4: looks like he's at peace with everything. Uh and we'll

1407
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 4: see what happens. But that, that to me was the story.

1408
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 4: Is just the evolution of a kid who was fighting

1409
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 4: with Timbo Slice ending up, you know, retiring in front

1410
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 4: of his hometown with the biggest organization in the world,

1411
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:16,120
Speaker 4: and having his kids sharing the process at that at

1412
01:18:16,160 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 4: that age, everything looked perfect to me for that so happy,

1413
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:21,679
Speaker 4: happy for who I always always loved watching him fight.

1414
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 4: Let me say one quick thing, Israel Lota Sonu man

1415
01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 4: I will say, you know, I thought he was coming

1416
01:18:28,479 --> 01:18:29,200
Speaker 4: back too soon.

1417
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 1: I didn't like it.

1418
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 4: But man, I just I just to speak to the

1419
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 4: character of that guy losing three times, being knocked out twice,

1420
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 4: still having the bulls to go back in there where

1421
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 4: this could have been a total disaster and the fight

1422
01:18:46,520 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 4: wasn't moving in his direction by no means. You know,

1423
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 4: he's getting his leg chopped up pretty good. What he

1424
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 4: did I think was unbelievable for such a variety of reasons.

1425
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,799
Speaker 4: And if he really rope and doped them, my hat's

1426
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:00,760
Speaker 4: really off to you. But I think, you know, I

1427
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 4: think he probably he probably did, but he you could

1428
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 4: see he came out guns blazing after he was covering up.

1429
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:11,480
Speaker 4: But I think what he did is absolutely remarkable.

1430
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:13,639
Speaker 3: He's just a mental giant.

1431
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 1: Kenny.

1432
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:16,920
Speaker 3: He said to me on the postfight show that he

1433
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:22,759
Speaker 3: believes he can actually raise his own testosterone with his brain. Now,

1434
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 3: I wouldn't even put a fucking past him, like doctor

1435
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 3: floor and if you're listening, maybe not possible. I don't know,

1436
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 3: but he is on a mental level that is just

1437
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 3: so superior to I think a lot of this roster

1438
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 3: and that's what allowed him to walk back in this setting.

1439
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 3: And Teddy Atlas said about an hour ago that had

1440
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 3: he lost this fight, he would just be existing and

1441
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:43,679
Speaker 3: not living. And I think there's a lot of truth there.

1442
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,720
Speaker 3: If he had gone down four nil to Alexpata, which

1443
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 3: certainly was not out of the realm of possibility, man,

1444
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 3: that's a bitter, bitter pill to swallow, right, And that's

1445
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 3: just incredible that he was able, Uh, to exercise those

1446
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 3: demons in those ways. We have so much to talk

1447
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 3: about out today, but Ray, like, I bought this picture

1448
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 3: of Kenny on eBay and I just have.

1449
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 1: To show you who's at the funds. I'm sorry so

1450
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 1: distracted by this.

1451
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:13,760
Speaker 2: Did you take that from Happy Days?

1452
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:15,879
Speaker 1: Let me see that again, hotly?

1453
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:22,639
Speaker 3: Cray Laurian's nineteen ninety four Boston Herald All Star Soccer

1454
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:24,680
Speaker 3: photo And this is the original.

1455
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 1: This is the original, kodeac.

1456
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 3: That's somebody from the Boston Herald archive sold to.

1457
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 1: Somebody on eBay and I bought it on eBay and

1458
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 1: now it's in the rightful place at the.

1459
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 2: Home for you. Guys really do have a special relationship.

1460
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you.

1461
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 1: Awkward but special, Yeah there.

1462
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Speaker 3: Jude, I never I'm not even do it, John, Come on, no,

1463
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,920
Speaker 3: I'm just saying they're like they're I would French kiss

1464
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 3: Ken Flow before French kiss a lot of women. God Like,

1465
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:58,559
Speaker 3: I am straight as an arrow. I would kiss Kenny

1466
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:01,559
Speaker 3: before I would kiss a lot Oh okay, why.

1467
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 1: Was that the latest podcast? That's it's gonna There are

1468
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Speaker 1: a lot.

1469
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 3: Of women who are like homelier than a stump. It's

1470
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 3: not some crazy statement. Folks tell you so bo hey,

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01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:14,599
Speaker 3: mosfital I met him in two thousand and nine Bellatore one,

1472
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 3: and if memory serves, and I might be exaggerating a

1473
01:21:18,240 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 3: little bit, but you see Nate Dias immortalize behind me.

1474
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 3: And part of the reason I got the two on

1475
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:26,719
Speaker 3: nine tattoo is because I relate to the Diaz brothers

1476
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 3: on a number of different levels. No, I didn't grow

1477
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 3: up the way they did, right, but I respect that

1478
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 3: they are true to who they are. They never stepped

1479
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:37,559
Speaker 3: away from who they truly were, and Mosfidale is very

1480
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 3: much that guy. And I remember he missed weight, I

1481
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,920
Speaker 3: think for his Bellatore debut, and Bjorn Rebney, our CEO,

1482
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 3: walked in and was like, George, you know you're one

1483
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:46,680
Speaker 3: of our big stars, you and Eddie Alvarez. You know,

1484
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 3: we really need you to go cut the final two

1485
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 3: pounds and he's like, fuck you, I'm not doing it.

1486
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 1: And it was something to that effect.

1487
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:57,679
Speaker 3: I really believe it was that, and I was like, man,

1488
01:21:57,760 --> 01:21:59,400
Speaker 3: this guy's the fucking man.

1489
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:01,759
Speaker 1: Look at him to stand up to the CEO.

1490
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 3: The CEO that really intimidated me did revenue every time

1491
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 3: he walked into the goddamn room, even though I really

1492
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 3: saw ayed I with Bjorn, So I don't know. I

1493
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 3: just really feel like Mosfidal has carried himself the right way,

1494
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 3: and going into twenty nineteen, there were a lot of

1495
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 3: different labels you could have placed upon his career. Twenty

1496
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:22,919
Speaker 3: nineteen was the year of game Bread knocked out, Askron,

1497
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 3: knocked out Till finished, Nate diaz On cuts and changed

1498
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:31,439
Speaker 3: his life financially forever. So very happy for Hora Mosfital.

1499
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 3: As far as this welterweight division is concerned, can flow

1500
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 3: and ray? How much time do you have? By the way,

1501
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 3: I got another ten fifteen?

1502
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 2: Okay?

1503
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 1: All right?

1504
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:44,759
Speaker 3: So in terms of this welterweight pecking order, Kenny Leon

1505
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:48,720
Speaker 3: Edwards presumably will fight Colby Covington next. There was no

1506
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:51,800
Speaker 3: big statement in this Gilbert Burns Joorge Mosfidal fight, so

1507
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:53,560
Speaker 3: I don't believe that Dana and Hunter are going to

1508
01:22:53,640 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 3: step off of that. Seemed as though Gilbert Burns sort

1509
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 3: of intimated, Hey, if you're not going to put me

1510
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 3: in a championship setting, you need to sort of least me,

1511
01:23:00,520 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 3: And so maybe there's some rumblings now that Gilbert Burns

1512
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 3: wouldn't be the backup, And the whole other conversation is,

1513
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 3: you know, when do we have a backup? When do

1514
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 3: we not? Odd Man out of course below Muhammad, and

1515
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:12,720
Speaker 3: I would also suggest that did Hamzatschimai have not leave

1516
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:15,640
Speaker 3: this division. That's your number one contender anyway, right, So

1517
01:23:16,439 --> 01:23:18,639
Speaker 3: but we don't have an obvious number one contender? Can

1518
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 3: flow And I don't know how you sort of give

1519
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 3: us clarity on all of this, but what is your

1520
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 3: expectation as to how they will proceed with the big

1521
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 3: names at one seventy after this result Saturday night?

1522
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1523
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 1: Man, well, I listen. I think it's rare that Dana

1524
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:35,360
Speaker 1: is going to go against what he just declared, right

1525
01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 1: or what he has declared. I think it's going to

1526
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 1: be Colby Covington. I think in a lot of ways

1527
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 1: that is going to be the most marketable fight for

1528
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 1: them regardless. And you know, the UFC is a business.

1529
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 1: They're going to go with what makes the most amount

1530
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 1: of sense money wise, and they've always they always have

1531
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,959
Speaker 1: really for the most part. So I think Blaal Gilbert

1532
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:59,599
Speaker 1: they're going to have to wait. I think Blal deserves

1533
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 1: it above Gilbert at this point. Certainly, you look at

1534
01:24:04,200 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 1: his consistency and all that stuff. But yeah, and then

1535
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 1: maybe Gilbert's gonna wait now, Blall, obviously he does not

1536
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 1: have a fight right now. No, And would it make

1537
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:17,080
Speaker 1: sense for Gilbert Burns and Blal to go at it?

1538
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:20,599
Speaker 3: I don't know one hundred percent. And Blao Muhammad would

1539
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 3: fight Shavcott rockmana but not if that's going to be

1540
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:25,599
Speaker 3: the fight to get him into a title eliminator. Blaw

1541
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 3: will fight anyone as long as that fight whomever that

1542
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 3: is against is the title eliminator. And Ray I'm pretty

1543
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 3: tight with Gilbert Burns too, right. I mean he set

1544
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:36,200
Speaker 3: me up with my strength and conditioning coaches. He set

1545
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 3: me up with my tailor. Our kids went to the

1546
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 3: same school. But he had a championship opportunity granted against

1547
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:46,160
Speaker 3: a different champion. He had the opportunity against Hamzat Chimaya

1548
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 3: that didn't come Blaal's way, and he did lose both

1549
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 3: of those fights juxtaposed against a Muhammad who hasn't lost

1550
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:55,320
Speaker 3: since twenty nineteen. You know, So, whether Blaal's got a

1551
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 3: show on the Anakin floor in podcast, YouTube channel or

1552
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 3: not hard to argue with what his body of work suggests.

1553
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:06,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I totally agree. I it's I'm going with

1554
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:07,160
Speaker 2: Kenny Man.

1555
01:25:07,200 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 4: They're gonna go with more key value that they're looking

1556
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 4: at a lot of things.

1557
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 2: I think they're even looking at go.

1558
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 4: For a bit of certain people even win the title,

1559
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I think it's a I

1560
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 4: think it's a deep discussion, and I feel Blal has

1561
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 4: definitely earned the right. I just don't know if they

1562
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:30,040
Speaker 4: feel like he's the guy that could Kirry.

1563
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:34,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, regis blacked out. Yeah, he's not going to fight

1564
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 3: for the title next. Blal is not blind to that fact.

1565
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 3: But I don't think he's going to go beat Shopcott,

1566
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 3: Rock Mombop and Gilbert Burns to maybe get a title fight. Right.

1567
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:46,920
Speaker 3: It's it's difficult. It really is a difficult thing. And

1568
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 3: internal metrics and money obviously plays a huge role. And

1569
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 3: you can argue these are good problems to have as well,

1570
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 3: because people are wicked interested in the welterweight division. But

1571
01:25:55,560 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 3: I can't help but come back to Kamzatschimaya Ken Flow

1572
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,559
Speaker 3: because Andreas Michael knows that if he puts in the

1573
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 3: discipline as far as his diet is concerned, that he

1574
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:06,719
Speaker 3: can make one hundred and seventy pounds now can't necessarily

1575
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:08,800
Speaker 3: make it five six, seven, eight times and be this

1576
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 3: long reigning champion. But he's your number one contender right now.

1577
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:16,519
Speaker 3: They made that fight with Chimayav an Edwards thrice, I believe,

1578
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:20,040
Speaker 3: and it didn't materialize. So it's disappointing that she may

1579
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 3: have can't be next. All of that being said, to

1580
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 3: bring it full circle, I do believe chimayav has a

1581
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 3: great chance to be next at eighty five and fight

1582
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:27,559
Speaker 3: Israel a lot of Sonya exactly.

1583
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 1: So I was gonna say, we can bring it right

1584
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:31,120
Speaker 1: back to the fact that he's close to one eighty five.

1585
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 1: So Atisanya, you know, could could have another challenger. And

1586
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 1: I know I said Pereira was his most typical challenge,

1587
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 1: but Chimayev man with his style. If Adasanya were to

1588
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:48,920
Speaker 1: beat someone like a Chimayev, I think that would just

1589
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 1: elevate his greatness, uh even more. After that, out of Sanya, retire,

1590
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 1: go off into the sunset, go either be a commentator

1591
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 1: or do whatever the hell you want. You probably won't

1592
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 1: need any money after that, but I think that would

1593
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:03,760
Speaker 1: be just just the icing on the cake for me.

1594
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:07,040
Speaker 1: As far as the types of opponents that he had,

1595
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:12,439
Speaker 1: howire able to rise to the challenge. Jimaya's probably you know,

1596
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:14,839
Speaker 1: one fight away, I would say at one five, right.

1597
01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, No, I think he could. I think

1598
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:20,600
Speaker 3: he could be next for Israel. Lot of Sonya. I

1599
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 3: think there are a lot of things that could be

1600
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 3: factors here, but out of Sonya, if anyone deserves to

1601
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:27,679
Speaker 3: take the rest of the year off or not fight

1602
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 3: until December, if Israel lot of Sonya, Ray, while we

1603
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 3: have you somewhat cleanly here, what would you like to

1604
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:34,879
Speaker 3: see them do with Israel a lot of Sonya? Because

1605
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:38,719
Speaker 3: the Whitaker trilogy fight is certainly an option, the Kamzat

1606
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:41,880
Speaker 3: Chimaya fight is an option. Paolo Costa is coming off

1607
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:43,799
Speaker 3: a win over Luke Rockold, But I think it's probably

1608
01:27:44,479 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 3: all right. Ray can't hear, so let's just get him

1609
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:47,880
Speaker 3: out of here. I don't want to deal with it anymore.

1610
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 3: If that's okay, Cody, thank you, and thanks to Ray Longo.

1611
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 3: I'll catch up with him later today. But Kenny, you

1612
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 3: have a lot of different options at eighty five. But

1613
01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 3: in some respects you can argue that a lot of

1614
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:03,519
Speaker 3: these guys have been cleaned out. Marvin Vittori is on

1615
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:05,800
Speaker 3: a winning streak right now, Plo Costa is on a

1616
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:10,040
Speaker 3: winning streak. But those guys unequivocally need more. Drakes duplus

1617
01:28:10,880 --> 01:28:14,840
Speaker 3: just had his deviated septum fixed. He absolutely needs one

1618
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 3: more fight. I know he's undefeated in the UFC. I

1619
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:19,800
Speaker 3: agree you've got to at least have him fight one

1620
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 3: more time, maybe in a main event. So would Robert

1621
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 3: Whitaker be willing to fight at Drake's duples C and

1622
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:29,479
Speaker 3: a title eliminator. I think maybe he would, But I

1623
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 3: just don't know what's gonna happen with Hamzat Chimai. If

1624
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:36,000
Speaker 3: he has suggested Abu Dhabi, would they do Adasanya and

1625
01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:38,960
Speaker 3: Shimaya in October and Abu Dhabi perhaps, But there's the

1626
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:41,800
Speaker 3: first time in Adasani's career where he hasn't had any

1627
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 3: desire to spend it forward on fighting.

1628
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:47,920
Speaker 1: So here's the only hiccup where I see something. Now. Adasanya,

1629
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:52,160
Speaker 1: as you've mentioned before, which is very accurate, is he

1630
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 1: will fight whoever right. He's never said no or he

1631
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:59,880
Speaker 1: wants and he wants to fight the best, But for

1632
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:03,439
Speaker 1: or a guy like Attasnja, considering everything he has done

1633
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:06,320
Speaker 1: in that division. I would think and I would do

1634
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 1: the same thing. To be honest, say, hey, just fight

1635
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 1: fight a top guy at oneenty five. Go fight Robert Whittaker.

1636
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:15,120
Speaker 1: Prove to everyone else that you are the real deal,

1637
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:17,640
Speaker 1: that you can beat the elite, and then we'll do

1638
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 1: it and we'll have an even bigger fight. You beat

1639
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 1: Robert Whittaker, you prove that you are truly one of

1640
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 1: the best at one eighty five. You've proven that you're

1641
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 1: one of the best at one seventy. But go and

1642
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 1: do that against Whittaker. We'll make a big fight. Everybody

1643
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:31,200
Speaker 1: makes a ton of money and we'll see what's.

1644
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 3: What very interesting. I don't know what the betting line

1645
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 3: would be. I think Robert Whitaker would be a pretty

1646
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:40,560
Speaker 3: big favorite against Dracus du plus C. I'm excited to

1647
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:42,640
Speaker 3: see Paolo Costa build back up. And the other thing

1648
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 3: I mentioned on Twitter this morning Ken Flow Roman Dealedes

1649
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:47,880
Speaker 3: when he thought Marvin Vttori at UFC two eighty six,

1650
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:50,599
Speaker 3: who did you think won that fight? I thought Delitsa

1651
01:29:50,680 --> 01:29:52,680
Speaker 3: did okay, so I thought the Tori did. But a

1652
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:54,800
Speaker 3: lot of people, I would say more people were with you.

1653
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 3: I was in the minority of those who thought Marvin

1654
01:29:57,640 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 3: Vatori had won, but bro had rome. Dalidze won that fight,

1655
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 3: he'd probably be the guy because he'd be in the

1656
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:07,720
Speaker 3: top three. I think he would have won five in

1657
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:11,160
Speaker 3: a row in the UFC, has a great style, good

1658
01:30:11,200 --> 01:30:14,719
Speaker 3: matchup for Adasanya, and I think Atasanya would have probably

1659
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 3: uttered his name on Saturday Night. And I'm dead because

1660
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 3: one human being thought she didn't win the fight, one

1661
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:24,800
Speaker 3: human being who scorecard really fucking matters. You know, Delidze

1662
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:25,840
Speaker 3: may never fight for the bill.

1663
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:30,320
Speaker 1: It's crazy, isn't that crazy? It's crazy how one fight

1664
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:35,599
Speaker 1: one judge could change your the whole trajectory of your career. Man,

1665
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:39,639
Speaker 1: absolutely listen, and yes, of course that victory Delaitze fight

1666
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 1: was very close, though I thought Delatze did enough. But

1667
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:45,559
Speaker 1: no question in my mind, you look at everything that

1668
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:47,880
Speaker 1: he did up until that point, in the manner in

1669
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:50,680
Speaker 1: which he did it. Uh, he probably would have got

1670
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:53,080
Speaker 1: that next shot or definitely would have had a strong

1671
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:56,120
Speaker 1: case anyway, right because Winnaker already lost to Dona Sonya

1672
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:59,719
Speaker 1: uh twice, so you know he's got that going against him.

1673
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:03,559
Speaker 1: So interesting, ties man, mma is crazy, all right?

1674
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 3: I want to recap one more fight and then we're

1675
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 3: going to bring Brian Petrie into the conversation. Now, we

1676
01:31:07,160 --> 01:31:10,120
Speaker 3: don't need Rob Font to be so good historically that he,

1677
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:11,880
Speaker 3: oh will bring Brian Petri and.

1678
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:13,760
Speaker 1: Right now, why not today?

1679
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 2: Not me?

1680
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:15,919
Speaker 1: So it's going to THEMVP.

1681
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:20,200
Speaker 3: So I don't need Rob Font to like be have

1682
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:22,519
Speaker 3: a greater career than Kenny Florian and be like the

1683
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:25,679
Speaker 3: best fighter to ever come out of Massachusetts. Hasn't fought

1684
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:27,439
Speaker 3: for the belt yet, but when you start to look

1685
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:30,280
Speaker 3: at the bantamweight records, Kenny rob Font's name is all

1686
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 3: across it, and this, you can argue, is his signature win,

1687
01:31:34,840 --> 01:31:38,240
Speaker 3: right to knock out Adrian jan As as an underdog

1688
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:40,800
Speaker 3: on pay per view. Rob Font hadn't competed on pay

1689
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:43,040
Speaker 3: per view in a very long time. Back to back

1690
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:45,479
Speaker 3: main event losses to jose A Aldo and Marlon Cheeto

1691
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:49,680
Speaker 3: Vera essentially had his face broken apart, and uh, just

1692
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:52,600
Speaker 3: a really good dude, a really good fighter, and he

1693
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 3: took it to Adrian jan As. What were your thoughts

1694
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 3: on the featured about the biggest win in my mind

1695
01:31:56,560 --> 01:32:01,840
Speaker 3: of Rob Font's illustrious career. Oh that's for you, Ken Flow.

1696
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:06,479
Speaker 1: Is this for me or BP okay, cool listen. I

1697
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 1: thought the difference was his power in that one. First

1698
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:13,599
Speaker 1: of all, establish his job beautifully. I don't think Yanna's

1699
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:17,559
Speaker 1: really had a great answer to that job. Number one,

1700
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 1: Yannas does get hit. That was my big hesitation with

1701
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:24,160
Speaker 1: picking that fight. I ended up going with Yanaz because

1702
01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:26,800
Speaker 1: I thought he'd be slick enough to do it. He

1703
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:30,080
Speaker 1: was not. He he didn't have an answer to that job,

1704
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:33,519
Speaker 1: and Font's power was just too much for Yanas Man.

1705
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 1: Just an amazing performance from Rob Fought dude. I was

1706
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:41,479
Speaker 1: blown away, super happy for him as a fellow Massachusetts guy,

1707
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:43,800
Speaker 1: and it was great to see him get that win.

1708
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:47,680
Speaker 1: Yana's back to the drawing board defensively. This was the

1709
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:52,960
Speaker 1: wake up call for him, get better defensively and figure

1710
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:55,360
Speaker 1: out something as far as you know, being in the

1711
01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:57,920
Speaker 1: pocket without getting hit as much, because against someone like

1712
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:00,879
Speaker 1: Fought with that kind of firepower, you can not afford

1713
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:01,680
Speaker 1: to get hit like so.

1714
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:06,759
Speaker 3: Tyson Chardier texted me after the fact, had to remind

1715
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 3: everyone we're still here, and that really warmed my heart.

1716
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:12,400
Speaker 3: I feel really good for those guys. A lot of

1717
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:14,719
Speaker 3: steam on Adrian jana Is coming into the fight Brian

1718
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:16,720
Speaker 3: Petrie and one of the hardest things for me as

1719
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:18,400
Speaker 3: a play by play an outer is coming back to

1720
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 3: the host hotel after the post fight show. One of

1721
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:22,880
Speaker 3: the first people I see is Adrian Janas and what

1722
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:25,200
Speaker 3: do you stay to the guy? And what I said

1723
01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 3: to him? And I believe this to be true. I

1724
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:30,960
Speaker 3: still think he's one went away from finding himself in

1725
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:34,160
Speaker 3: a major bandamight main event against one of these guys

1726
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:37,839
Speaker 3: potentially ranked five or six lots above him. Again, because

1727
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 3: he has the fan base, he has the appreciation of

1728
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 3: his fellow fighters, he has the crowd pleasing style, he

1729
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:47,479
Speaker 3: has the support of the promotion. What he does not

1730
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:50,280
Speaker 3: have is a win over the top six. Rob Font.

1731
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:53,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean Rob Font looked amazing. I mean they

1732
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:55,040
Speaker 6: just proved levels. I mean you look at a guy's

1733
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:58,240
Speaker 6: resume like rab Font, you look at Adriennez, you know

1734
01:33:59,200 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 6: there's a world's different. If I picked Yes, I thought,

1735
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:03,920
Speaker 6: you know, he's the up and coming guy. Fawn had

1736
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:05,599
Speaker 6: been hit a lot. Fonk goes no, I don't care.

1737
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:08,200
Speaker 6: Fal doesn't wear a punch well, but he ate those

1738
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:10,800
Speaker 6: punches like tic TACs and withy Nez. The one thing

1739
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:13,599
Speaker 6: I didn't like about it is. After the fight, he apologized, Bro,

1740
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:15,760
Speaker 6: you know, there's nothing you need to apologize for. Like,

1741
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:18,519
Speaker 6: I know you're bummed and you feel like you let

1742
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:20,519
Speaker 6: people down or whatever. But you know, he said that

1743
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:23,800
Speaker 6: message out apologizing to people. You're a savage like that

1744
01:34:23,960 --> 01:34:25,160
Speaker 6: was an incredible fight.

1745
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:26,280
Speaker 1: You're gonna be back.

1746
01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:29,559
Speaker 6: You're a good young talent, exciting fight everything you said, John.

1747
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:31,680
Speaker 6: So other than that, it was perfect. I know he

1748
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:33,639
Speaker 6: got caught and no he feels let down, but I mean,

1749
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:36,639
Speaker 6: you fought the biggest competition of your life and.

1750
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:37,479
Speaker 1: You look pretty good.

1751
01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:39,519
Speaker 6: There are some exchanges in there where you nez won

1752
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:43,520
Speaker 6: those exchanges. It's just, you know, like Kenny said, defensive defensively,

1753
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 6: he was a problem for him.

1754
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:47,200
Speaker 3: All Right, Kempthell has a hard out at one pm Eastern,

1755
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:49,320
Speaker 3: so we have twenty eight minutes right now to work

1756
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 3: through some predictions. But no, we got to talk about

1757
01:34:51,479 --> 01:34:53,120
Speaker 3: UFC two eighty seven a little bit, so I'm gonna

1758
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:54,640
Speaker 3: make you guy short change the picks a little bit

1759
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 3: on the back of Also, don't forget more on to

1760
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:58,800
Speaker 3: eighty seven with em in Longoria later in the week.

1761
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:01,760
Speaker 3: But there's so much that happened in Miami, and I

1762
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 3: need to get to Kelvin Gasolim and Chris Curtis here. Boys,

1763
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:06,639
Speaker 3: this was the fight of the night, certainly a fight

1764
01:35:06,680 --> 01:35:09,640
Speaker 3: that could have gone either way. On the totality of

1765
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:12,280
Speaker 3: this night, it seemed as though damage was rewarded more

1766
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:15,360
Speaker 3: than volume in most of these fights, but this one

1767
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:18,160
Speaker 3: was unanimous for Kelvin Gaslum twenty nine to twenty eight

1768
01:35:18,200 --> 01:35:21,800
Speaker 3: times two and then thirty to twenty seven from the

1769
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:24,920
Speaker 3: dissenting judge. I certainly don't think Kelvin gaslam won all

1770
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:28,639
Speaker 3: three rounds. Brian Petrie, I'm gonna start with you on this. Yes,

1771
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:31,360
Speaker 3: I got to talk to Chris Curtis about you. I

1772
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:33,120
Speaker 3: think he might actually like you more than I do.

1773
01:35:33,200 --> 01:35:34,720
Speaker 3: I never thought I could find someone who was more

1774
01:35:34,720 --> 01:35:39,360
Speaker 3: pro Peatrie than me. But a disappointing result for your guy,

1775
01:35:39,439 --> 01:35:41,280
Speaker 3: but by and large, this was a good night for

1776
01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:42,000
Speaker 3: him overall.

1777
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:45,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, listen, I'm so proud of him what he's accomplished.

1778
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:47,320
Speaker 6: I talked to him after the fight. I usually give

1779
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:48,680
Speaker 6: him space. I mean, this is the biggest fight of

1780
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:50,760
Speaker 6: his career. He knew that biggest name of his career,

1781
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:53,799
Speaker 6: and he's pretty Bob, There's no doubt about it. Listen,

1782
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:56,800
Speaker 6: no one's gonna want to hear my opinion because I'm

1783
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 6: super biased everything. I've watched the fight five times. Okay,

1784
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:03,880
Speaker 6: initial viewing, I thought Calvin won one and two. Right now,

1785
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:05,720
Speaker 6: when you go through with a fine tooth comb and

1786
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:08,080
Speaker 6: the judges don't have that luxury, I can see an

1787
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:10,400
Speaker 6: argument for Chris in that second round. Third round was

1788
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:13,200
Speaker 6: all Chris. That thirty twenty seven score I think is outrageous.

1789
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:15,559
Speaker 6: Third round was Chris. His first round was all Calvin.

1790
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:19,160
Speaker 6: Second round you got that headbutt, which is so unfortunate.

1791
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 6: Chris was flashed. Chris woke up on the ground and said, way,

1792
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 6: why is my coaches standing? Oh wait, I'm on the

1793
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:24,439
Speaker 6: fucking ground.

1794
01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 1: I better get up.

1795
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:28,559
Speaker 6: He was flashed out. He didn't remember any wow. Yeah,

1796
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 6: so he got up. It was just on all the

1797
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 6: pilot and really battled back that second round. So that's

1798
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 6: just kind of the unfortunate part of the game is

1799
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:38,160
Speaker 6: because obviously wasn't on purpose. It was a weird collision

1800
01:36:38,400 --> 01:36:40,800
Speaker 6: that happens the refidency. If the judges didn't see it,

1801
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:43,200
Speaker 6: I didn't see it live until you guys mentioned it

1802
01:36:43,240 --> 01:36:45,800
Speaker 6: on your replay. You said, you guys got an io

1803
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:48,479
Speaker 6: of it. Yeah, but I'm just so proud of the

1804
01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:50,439
Speaker 6: guy from what he's came and what he's done. And

1805
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:53,639
Speaker 6: listen to me, you can't base a fight on stats,

1806
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:55,800
Speaker 6: but if you look at the stats, Chris outstruck him.

1807
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:59,799
Speaker 6: Chris worked that body. I'm listen, Calvin is a different dude.

1808
01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:02,080
Speaker 6: He had at the end of those body shots and

1809
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:06,920
Speaker 6: they hurt, and Chris would dig into that body.

1810
01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:08,559
Speaker 1: I don't know who was going.

1811
01:37:08,560 --> 01:37:10,639
Speaker 6: To be Kelvin that night. Kelvin looked like a man

1812
01:37:10,680 --> 01:37:13,639
Speaker 6: on a mission. He looked fantastic. I'm not even upset

1813
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:16,920
Speaker 6: about my guy because he got paid. I know he's

1814
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:18,680
Speaker 6: upset because he feels like he's the best in the

1815
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:20,240
Speaker 6: world and he wanted to go out there and prove it,

1816
01:37:20,280 --> 01:37:22,800
Speaker 6: and he feels like he did improve it. But I

1817
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:25,760
Speaker 6: think he just proved they I belong here because that

1818
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:28,559
Speaker 6: was the best Kelvin we've seen in a very long time.

1819
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:30,719
Speaker 6: And this is a guy who took out a sign

1820
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:32,920
Speaker 6: of five rounds and you know, was to to going

1821
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:36,479
Speaker 6: in the fifth. So there's no shame in this fight whatsoever.

1822
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:38,759
Speaker 6: I'm glad he got paid. Hopefully he kind of shakes

1823
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:41,000
Speaker 6: off this this emotion that he's got right now, but.

1824
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:42,360
Speaker 2: Could be happier for him.

1825
01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:44,600
Speaker 3: Keady Kevin Gassam's got a lot of confidence in that

1826
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:48,160
Speaker 3: new trading room Santino DeFranco and Eddie Shaw, and you

1827
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:50,120
Speaker 3: really felt like he was going to rise to the

1828
01:37:50,160 --> 01:37:53,439
Speaker 3: occasion with his backup against the proverbia wall, and KG

1829
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:55,759
Speaker 3: did that, and then some I thought.

1830
01:37:57,840 --> 01:38:01,439
Speaker 1: Well, well, it's rare that he doesn't. He always shows

1831
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:04,840
Speaker 1: up to fight and he's gonna fight hard. You know, mentally,

1832
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:07,640
Speaker 1: you're not going to really get Kelvin down physically. He

1833
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:10,600
Speaker 1: may come in with issues and things like that, but

1834
01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:14,599
Speaker 1: since his Ultimate Fighter Finale debut, this was a guy

1835
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:17,960
Speaker 1: that when the lights come on, he shows up. And

1836
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 1: I thought this was a great performance for him. I

1837
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:23,240
Speaker 1: don't think this was the best Kelvin Gasolin that we

1838
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:26,120
Speaker 1: ever seen, but I thought it was the best Kelvin

1839
01:38:26,120 --> 01:38:28,759
Speaker 1: Gaslin that we've seen in a long time, like Brian said,

1840
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:32,719
Speaker 1: and he showed up when he needed to. Chris Curtis

1841
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:35,840
Speaker 1: looked like he was on point, was landing some big

1842
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:41,280
Speaker 1: shots and I told you that freaking horse next. It's

1843
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:44,000
Speaker 1: just unbelievable that at this stage of the game, with

1844
01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:46,280
Speaker 1: all the fights that he's had in all the wars,

1845
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:50,439
Speaker 1: that freaking chin of his can still take that kind

1846
01:38:50,479 --> 01:38:53,800
Speaker 1: of power. It's it's amazing. But what a fight, dude,

1847
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:55,280
Speaker 1: on both sides.

1848
01:38:55,360 --> 01:38:58,639
Speaker 3: I know we give Chris Curtis for rolling with the punches,

1849
01:38:58,680 --> 01:39:02,479
Speaker 3: but he ate a lot of shots cleanly and seemed

1850
01:39:02,479 --> 01:39:04,840
Speaker 3: no worse for wear. All right, I want to talk

1851
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:08,679
Speaker 3: to you guys quickly about Christian Rodriguez humbling Raoul Rosas

1852
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:11,000
Speaker 3: Junior by unanimous decision. I got to have dinner with

1853
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:13,519
Speaker 3: Bilab Muhammad and Jared Gordon, and you should hear these guys,

1854
01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:16,600
Speaker 3: Kenny talk about Sea Rod and just how problematic this

1855
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:19,120
Speaker 3: kid is and training only twenty five years old, just

1856
01:39:19,160 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 3: a lot more high level mixed martial arts experience for

1857
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:25,800
Speaker 3: him coming in against Rosas Junior. And I was a

1858
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:29,240
Speaker 3: fucking idiot when I was twenty seven, never mind eighteen,

1859
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:32,639
Speaker 3: kicking off a kicking off a pay per view in Miami. So, Kenny,

1860
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:35,439
Speaker 3: I do think that even though this is a pretty

1861
01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:39,120
Speaker 3: mature and wise young man, he's still eighteen. I think

1862
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:41,479
Speaker 3: he's over confident, and I think this is really going

1863
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:44,000
Speaker 3: to be a valuable night for him when he looks

1864
01:39:44,040 --> 01:39:48,559
Speaker 3: back five or seven years down the line.

1865
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:51,800
Speaker 1: This was humble pie, right. You know, this is a

1866
01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:58,840
Speaker 1: kid eighteen years old. He was talking about how maybe

1867
01:39:58,960 --> 01:40:10,120
Speaker 1: like this guy I love you know, thanks buddy. You know,

1868
01:40:10,200 --> 01:40:14,360
Speaker 1: I think that this was his opportunity. I hope if

1869
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:17,639
Speaker 1: he's smart enough to go. I got way more work

1870
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:19,560
Speaker 1: to do. The training room is a training room, a

1871
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:22,320
Speaker 1: fight to fight. I need to learn way more in

1872
01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:25,799
Speaker 1: this game. He was exposed. He was exposed. I didn't

1873
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:29,040
Speaker 1: doubt the skills of Rodriguez. What I did doubt a

1874
01:40:29,080 --> 01:40:32,080
Speaker 1: little bit was him being able to deal with the pressure.

1875
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:35,040
Speaker 1: And what I saw in Rodriguez was a guy who

1876
01:40:35,439 --> 01:40:39,720
Speaker 1: was very steady emotionally, who stayed calm when he needed to,

1877
01:40:40,120 --> 01:40:43,720
Speaker 1: who could weather the storm and come back after round one.

1878
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 1: When I saw him go back to this to the stool,

1879
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:48,360
Speaker 1: I go, oh shit, he's going to win this fight.

1880
01:40:48,439 --> 01:40:50,000
Speaker 1: Even after he got his back thing, I was like,

1881
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:52,160
Speaker 1: he's gonna be able to deal with this Rosas. That's

1882
01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:54,560
Speaker 1: all Rosas has at this point. Rosa s needs to

1883
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:57,160
Speaker 1: get better. He needs improve his his wrestling, he needs

1884
01:40:57,160 --> 01:40:59,400
Speaker 1: improve his jiu jitsu, he needs to reprove his striking.

1885
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:02,479
Speaker 1: For sure, He's just not there yet. That was a

1886
01:41:02,520 --> 01:41:04,439
Speaker 1: bad fight for him. It was a little bit too

1887
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:07,040
Speaker 1: much at this stage of the stage of his career.

1888
01:41:07,240 --> 01:41:09,439
Speaker 1: He needs to go back to the training room, get

1889
01:41:09,439 --> 01:41:14,479
Speaker 1: better technically, and just reevaluate. You know, hubble Pie is great,

1890
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:16,880
Speaker 1: especially for a kid eighteen years old. I would have

1891
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:19,439
Speaker 1: been shitting my pants. Actually, actually I wouldn't have been

1892
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:21,880
Speaker 1: talented or good enough to be in the office god

1893
01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:24,439
Speaker 1: at eighteen years old, if I'm being honest. So kudos

1894
01:41:24,439 --> 01:41:26,799
Speaker 1: to him for being there. But I hope he learns

1895
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:29,840
Speaker 1: from this, gets better him and his team. And I'm

1896
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:34,400
Speaker 1: Rosas Junior. Yeah, Kenny nailed everything. I just love the

1897
01:41:35,720 --> 01:41:38,320
Speaker 1: fuck you parade that see Rohad's going on. He goes, oh,

1898
01:41:38,360 --> 01:41:39,840
Speaker 1: I have no takedown the fence.

1899
01:41:39,800 --> 01:41:42,360
Speaker 6: Double middle finger, and I redsweeted that because that is

1900
01:41:42,479 --> 01:41:44,200
Speaker 6: how I broke the fight down. I was like, he's

1901
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:47,040
Speaker 6: been taking down ten times. He looked great. He shut

1902
01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:50,240
Speaker 6: everyone up, including myself. I thought Rojas Junior was just

1903
01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:52,080
Speaker 6: gonna be a little too much high pace for him.

1904
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:54,599
Speaker 6: I even Texa Kenny. He was like, listen, eighteen year olds,

1905
01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:56,680
Speaker 6: they might not have that man strength, but they can

1906
01:41:56,800 --> 01:41:59,719
Speaker 6: just fucking go all day long. I jinxed them because

1907
01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:02,200
Speaker 6: the and I said that he fell off a cliff

1908
01:42:02,200 --> 01:42:04,360
Speaker 6: because all those things that usually worked for him weren't

1909
01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:07,640
Speaker 6: working and si Rod wasn't even breaking a sweat, was

1910
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:10,240
Speaker 6: defending well, and then again, just a lot for him

1911
01:42:10,240 --> 01:42:12,640
Speaker 6: to work on. But he's eighteen years old, is not

1912
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:14,880
Speaker 6: over formed yet. This was just a nice, little humbling

1913
01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:15,679
Speaker 6: experience for him.

1914
01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:19,360
Speaker 3: Also, congrats to Kevin Holland huge knockout of Santiago Pontanibio

1915
01:42:19,439 --> 01:42:22,479
Speaker 3: live on pay per view Steve Garcia Mean Machine. Too

1916
01:42:22,479 --> 01:42:24,679
Speaker 3: bad he didn't get a bonus for that incredible rally

1917
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:27,479
Speaker 3: against schilan nerd On Becka. And I just have to say,

1918
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:30,479
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that Kenny even saw the women strawweight

1919
01:42:30,520 --> 01:42:33,800
Speaker 3: opener between Sam Hughes and Jackal and a Marim. But

1920
01:42:34,200 --> 01:42:37,759
Speaker 3: Sam Hughes hands Jackie her first pro loss. A'm Marim

1921
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:43,519
Speaker 3: world class jiu jitsu player, PanAm champion at black belt, right,

1922
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:47,120
Speaker 3: And I just wanted to acknowledge the general safe Siou

1923
01:42:47,200 --> 01:42:48,960
Speaker 3: because even though he is one of my dear friends

1924
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:52,479
Speaker 3: in the MMA space, like, you don't beat Amrim and

1925
01:42:52,680 --> 01:42:56,680
Speaker 3: navigate those jiu jitsu scenarios without a high level jiu

1926
01:42:56,760 --> 01:43:00,400
Speaker 3: jitsu coach, high level jiu jitsu training partners, and a

1927
01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:03,400
Speaker 3: head coach that can talk you through those transitions. So

1928
01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:06,240
Speaker 3: I texted Safe after the fact, like, I'm not sure

1929
01:43:06,240 --> 01:43:09,680
Speaker 3: that there has ever been a more clear example of

1930
01:43:09,720 --> 01:43:12,320
Speaker 3: his greatness than his ability to talk Sam through all

1931
01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:13,840
Speaker 3: of that. I mean, the athlete deserves a lot of

1932
01:43:13,880 --> 01:43:17,639
Speaker 3: credit as well, but well coached, great execution, and even

1933
01:43:17,680 --> 01:43:19,720
Speaker 3: though it happened eight hours before the main event, I

1934
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:23,000
Speaker 3: wanted to acknowledge Sam Hughes. All right, let us get

1935
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:24,960
Speaker 3: to the main event challenge. I'm gonn update the standings

1936
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:26,240
Speaker 3: right now. This should be fun.

1937
01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right.

1938
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:32,240
Speaker 3: So Team Florian led it plus two hundred and sixty

1939
01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:36,680
Speaker 3: dollars to minus eighteen hundred and eighty so Ptrie was

1940
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:40,719
Speaker 3: down a couple g's going into UFC two eighty seven.

1941
01:43:40,760 --> 01:43:44,360
Speaker 3: Team Florian goes two and five overall, minus five oh

1942
01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:46,880
Speaker 3: five for the week, puts you in minus two forty

1943
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:48,840
Speaker 3: five for the year. Petrie goes three and four, but

1944
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:51,200
Speaker 3: he did have he did have that five unit max

1945
01:43:51,240 --> 01:43:54,280
Speaker 3: play on Chris Curtis, so minus seven hundred and five

1946
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:56,879
Speaker 3: dollars for the week. So the negative nut for Petrie

1947
01:43:56,920 --> 01:43:59,760
Speaker 3: is now twenty five eighty five. Team Florian's lead to

1948
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:02,640
Speaker 3: three hundred and forty dollars. Heading into UFC Fight Night

1949
01:44:02,680 --> 01:44:05,200
Speaker 3: Holloway versus Allan, we begin with the main card opener

1950
01:44:05,240 --> 01:44:08,240
Speaker 3: at lightweight Rafa Garcia minus two twenty five Clay Guita

1951
01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:12,400
Speaker 3: plus one ninety. Quita's still winning fights. This dude ken

1952
01:44:12,439 --> 01:44:15,519
Speaker 3: flow in like his tenth UFC appearance. Now he's coming

1953
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:18,439
Speaker 3: up on thirty five. He beat Scott Holtzman last December.

1954
01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:21,160
Speaker 3: As far as I'm concerned, Brian Gwedas won four of five,

1955
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:24,200
Speaker 3: should have gotten the nod over Marco Madson taking on

1956
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:27,679
Speaker 3: the cub Swanson protege Rafa Garcia, who also has some momentum.

1957
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:30,040
Speaker 3: He is the betting favorite. You go in Garcia or

1958
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:33,439
Speaker 3: guet him a man man. Clay hasn't fallen off really right.

1959
01:44:33,560 --> 01:44:36,599
Speaker 3: Chin's still there, Cardio is still there. The only thing

1960
01:44:36,600 --> 01:44:38,479
Speaker 3: that he has less of now at forty one is

1961
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:40,320
Speaker 3: his hair. I mean, that's just the truth.

1962
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:41,400
Speaker 1: I just had a hair.

1963
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:43,560
Speaker 3: He just had a hair transplant. He did one of

1964
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:44,560
Speaker 3: those stagers.

1965
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:47,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw him cuting. You guys do this like

1966
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:48,200
Speaker 1: I don't.

1967
01:44:48,200 --> 01:44:50,639
Speaker 3: I have a full head of hair. Okay, people think

1968
01:44:50,640 --> 01:44:52,519
Speaker 3: I'm going ball. People come up to me all the time,

1969
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:54,559
Speaker 3: tell me I'm fucking losing my hair. My twin brother

1970
01:44:54,640 --> 01:44:58,839
Speaker 3: has hair down his fucking asshole, right. I don't understand

1971
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:01,519
Speaker 3: these people who like go back and get hair treatments.

1972
01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:02,720
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of people who do it

1973
01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:05,360
Speaker 3: actually have regret. I'm probably not a great source because

1974
01:45:05,360 --> 01:45:07,360
Speaker 3: I've been picking my head since I was twelve years old.

1975
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:09,800
Speaker 1: But like dude, my follow in.

1976
01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 6: Law got one done in the early nineties where they

1977
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:15,800
Speaker 6: hammered it in your head, right, and all he's got

1978
01:45:15,880 --> 01:45:18,320
Speaker 6: left is just three It's like a rainbow, right, just

1979
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:20,760
Speaker 6: three hairs. And he's so proud of him. But I

1980
01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:22,840
Speaker 6: cast him like fifteen grand I don't know why they

1981
01:45:22,920 --> 01:45:24,200
Speaker 6: do it. I got a nice head of hair, but

1982
01:45:24,240 --> 01:45:27,240
Speaker 6: if I lose this, it's gone. But no, listen, Clay,

1983
01:45:27,439 --> 01:45:29,280
Speaker 6: he's still win in fights. It's crazy as the hot

1984
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:32,160
Speaker 6: Scott holdsmon performance. Scott Holdson's no joke. He's a big,

1985
01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:32,840
Speaker 6: powerful guy.

1986
01:45:33,080 --> 01:45:33,400
Speaker 1: Clay.

1987
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:35,760
Speaker 6: I'll pace him out, worked him, retired him right, and

1988
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:37,479
Speaker 6: he got a Rothie Garcia. He's coming in three and

1989
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:40,000
Speaker 6: three in the UFC. Some of his fights he looks

1990
01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:42,240
Speaker 6: good other fights. He looks flat. He's very consistent, and

1991
01:45:42,240 --> 01:45:45,160
Speaker 6: when you're inconsistent and you're giving minus two twenty five number,

1992
01:45:45,160 --> 01:45:47,000
Speaker 6: I don't think I can take that. You know, you're

1993
01:45:47,040 --> 01:45:48,720
Speaker 6: a big, strong guy, You're a good grappler, You're a

1994
01:45:48,720 --> 01:45:51,280
Speaker 6: decent striker. But I think Clay puts a pace that's

1995
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:53,160
Speaker 6: gonna be a little bit difficult. This could be a

1996
01:45:53,200 --> 01:45:55,800
Speaker 6: close fight. This fight will go to a decision. I'm

1997
01:45:55,800 --> 01:45:58,240
Speaker 6: going with leader for a close decision. And the reason

1998
01:45:58,240 --> 01:46:00,639
Speaker 6: I'm doing that is now we can add off Garcia

1999
01:46:00,720 --> 01:46:03,519
Speaker 6: to the list of Ken Flow would fuck up, because

2000
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:06,720
Speaker 6: you know he fucked up Gleeda. If Guidab's haffee Ken

2001
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:08,599
Speaker 6: flows right there, maybe he's still got if.

2002
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:11,559
Speaker 1: He didn't retire, give me claig by decision.

2003
01:46:12,240 --> 01:46:14,640
Speaker 3: And you notice this, Ken Flow laughs and sways a

2004
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:16,720
Speaker 3: little bit. Kenny, would you be so condesce to just

2005
01:46:16,760 --> 01:46:19,519
Speaker 3: put your head down for a minute. No, you see

2006
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:23,080
Speaker 3: what's immortalized behind Ken Flow. Yeah, he's choking out a

2007
01:46:23,200 --> 01:46:26,880
Speaker 3: bloody Claiy Gweeda. Way back in the day, I believe

2008
01:46:26,920 --> 01:46:29,600
Speaker 3: it was Memphis, Tennessee. Kenny landed so much on the

2009
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:31,320
Speaker 3: feed and then he just decided he was going to

2010
01:46:31,360 --> 01:46:34,920
Speaker 3: put another man out of his misery. Sorry, Kenny, but

2011
01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:37,000
Speaker 3: it's not like you know your past victims are going

2012
01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:39,200
Speaker 3: to be fighting forever. Claig Gwed is still going strong.

2013
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:40,840
Speaker 3: How do you like his chances this weekend?

2014
01:46:40,880 --> 01:46:41,080
Speaker 2: Brother?

2015
01:46:44,240 --> 01:46:46,440
Speaker 1: Hair replacement? How about a back replacement?

2016
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:48,040
Speaker 2: Dude?

2017
01:46:48,240 --> 01:46:51,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I think I think this is an interesting fight.

2018
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:53,960
Speaker 1: I think Hafa, if he catches him, it's gonna be

2019
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:55,760
Speaker 1: on the feet, right. I think he does hit hard

2020
01:46:55,880 --> 01:47:00,360
Speaker 1: enough to give Clay problems. But as I found out

2021
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:02,720
Speaker 1: and a lot of people find find out, Clay is

2022
01:47:02,840 --> 01:47:05,200
Speaker 1: so awkward on the feet. He's got a rhythm that's

2023
01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:07,920
Speaker 1: just unlike any other and it takes you a little

2024
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:11,040
Speaker 1: bit to get get a handle on it. I think

2025
01:47:11,080 --> 01:47:12,640
Speaker 1: it's going to come down to the wrestling. You know,

2026
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:16,240
Speaker 1: how good is Haffa's wrestling. I think he's pretty good offensively,

2027
01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:19,160
Speaker 1: but I'm curious to see how his wrestling holds up

2028
01:47:19,280 --> 01:47:23,600
Speaker 1: defensively against Clay Guita and his pace. Clays still in

2029
01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:26,280
Speaker 1: phenomenal shape. I don't think his chin is what it

2030
01:47:26,439 --> 01:47:29,720
Speaker 1: used to be, but I think his pacing, I think

2031
01:47:29,800 --> 01:47:32,200
Speaker 1: his overall game is going to be a problem enough

2032
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:35,320
Speaker 1: to maybe win him this fight. So I like Clay here,

2033
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:37,759
Speaker 1: I like the odds here. I think there's enough value

2034
01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:40,720
Speaker 1: where he could pull it off. Couldn't agree more as

2035
01:47:40,760 --> 01:47:44,240
Speaker 1: far as the inconsistency in regards to Haffa Garcia, Brian,

2036
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:46,080
Speaker 1: I think you're accurate there.

2037
01:47:46,160 --> 01:47:49,400
Speaker 3: I abandon boy Chris Gudierra's minus two ten Pedro Munios

2038
01:47:49,400 --> 01:47:53,080
Speaker 3: plus one eighty. Now, Gudierra is only ranked thirteen and

2039
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:55,960
Speaker 3: Munio's in the top ten at number nine, But Gudiera

2040
01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:58,439
Speaker 3: is to me, Brian looks ready to fight the best

2041
01:47:58,479 --> 01:48:00,280
Speaker 3: guys in the world right now. With thirty one years

2042
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:03,040
Speaker 3: of age, eight fight on beaten streak, lost his UFC

2043
01:48:03,120 --> 01:48:06,160
Speaker 3: debut in twenty eighteen. Nobody's been able to solve him since.

2044
01:48:06,200 --> 01:48:08,200
Speaker 3: On the other side, don't have to tell you about

2045
01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:10,840
Speaker 3: the young potisher Pedro Munios, he spotted them all. Hasn't

2046
01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:14,160
Speaker 3: fought since the no contest with Shot O'Malley last July. Yeah,

2047
01:48:14,280 --> 01:48:16,800
Speaker 3: this is kind of reminds me of the Ynez font Right.

2048
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:18,120
Speaker 3: You know, we got an up and coming guy, we

2049
01:48:18,200 --> 01:48:18,880
Speaker 3: got a proven guy.

2050
01:48:18,920 --> 01:48:19,240
Speaker 1: Look at the.

2051
01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:23,000
Speaker 6: Resume's Paedro Munos has been there everybody. He's lost three O'Malley,

2052
01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:25,240
Speaker 6: which he was looking good in that fight. Weird fight

2053
01:48:25,560 --> 01:48:28,080
Speaker 6: Dominic Cruz. He just got out paced legend Dominic Cruz

2054
01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:30,800
Speaker 6: and Josaudo. This guy's been in there. You can't finish him.

2055
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:32,800
Speaker 6: He's got good jiu jitsu. I like to see him

2056
01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:34,840
Speaker 6: mix it up because Gudierras can give up a takedown

2057
01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:37,840
Speaker 6: here and there. Gudiere's leg kickser deadly. His striking's good,

2058
01:48:37,840 --> 01:48:40,400
Speaker 6: but it's a difference when Pedro Munos was fighting Dominant

2059
01:48:40,439 --> 01:48:43,680
Speaker 6: Cruz and Josaudo, and Chris Gudierrez is fighting Donna bacherral No,

2060
01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:45,559
Speaker 6: this is back to Donna Backer. But there are levels

2061
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:48,080
Speaker 6: to this, and you're giving me a juicy number of

2062
01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:50,400
Speaker 6: Pedro Muno's at plus one eight. I'm good at taking

2063
01:48:50,640 --> 01:48:52,560
Speaker 6: I think Paedro Munas can get it done here. I

2064
01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:54,439
Speaker 6: think he needs to use his jiu jitsu a little bit.

2065
01:48:54,520 --> 01:48:57,200
Speaker 6: He's got a great front joke. He's got good takedown

2066
01:48:57,600 --> 01:48:59,519
Speaker 6: if he can land it, but sometimes he gets excited

2067
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:01,800
Speaker 6: once the aw But give me Pegro Munoz at plus

2068
01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:03,719
Speaker 6: one eighty, that's a that's a juicy number.

2069
01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:05,040
Speaker 1: I'm looking to take a stab at.

2070
01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:07,559
Speaker 3: Both guys who really know their way around a leg

2071
01:49:07,640 --> 01:49:09,320
Speaker 3: kick can flow Gutierra's Munos.

2072
01:49:09,320 --> 01:49:09,800
Speaker 2: Who do you like?

2073
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:17,000
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's I'm really curious about that. The battle

2074
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:19,360
Speaker 1: of the calf kicks between both those guys, because both

2075
01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:21,800
Speaker 1: of them have tremendous calf kicks, and we'll certainly go

2076
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:26,479
Speaker 1: for them. I think Gutierras is sharper as a striker, though,

2077
01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:29,880
Speaker 1: I think he's got decent size for that division as well.

2078
01:49:30,920 --> 01:49:33,040
Speaker 1: I think his speed is going to be a problem.

2079
01:49:33,400 --> 01:49:36,160
Speaker 1: Munos tends to get caught in patterns that he can't

2080
01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:39,280
Speaker 1: get out of sometimes. Uh, but I do agree. Easiest,

2081
01:49:39,439 --> 01:49:42,439
Speaker 1: easiest path to victory for him is take the fight

2082
01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:44,519
Speaker 1: to the ground. He takes his fight to the ground,

2083
01:49:44,640 --> 01:49:47,080
Speaker 1: he wins us, and he wins us by submission or TKO.

2084
01:49:48,160 --> 01:49:51,160
Speaker 1: Can he out wrestle Gutierras, though? Is his wrestling good enough?

2085
01:49:51,320 --> 01:49:54,519
Speaker 1: I don't quite think so. I think it's gonna be

2086
01:49:56,960 --> 01:50:00,639
Speaker 1: one twenty Tanner Bozer even money a play one hundred.

2087
01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:03,880
Speaker 3: Excuse me, all right? So my research suggests that Tanner

2088
01:50:03,920 --> 01:50:06,479
Speaker 3: Boser has only fought once as a light heavyweight few

2089
01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:09,120
Speaker 3: catchweights in there, but only once at light heavyweight. That

2090
01:50:09,240 --> 01:50:11,800
Speaker 3: was in twenty fourteen, So He makes his UFC Light

2091
01:50:11,840 --> 01:50:15,040
Speaker 3: Heavyweight debut here against kute Laba, who makes his fifteenth

2092
01:50:15,120 --> 01:50:19,080
Speaker 3: UFC appearance overall, and I lean into Instagram photos a

2093
01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:21,120
Speaker 3: little bit too much, but I think Tanner Boser looks

2094
01:50:21,160 --> 01:50:22,599
Speaker 3: like he's done a lot of the right work. Looks

2095
01:50:22,640 --> 01:50:25,320
Speaker 3: like might even have a six pack, if I'm not mistaken.

2096
01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:29,080
Speaker 3: Brian Petrie, Tanner Boser, Ewan kute Laba, which way you go?

2097
01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:29,720
Speaker 1: Listen?

2098
01:50:29,760 --> 01:50:31,880
Speaker 6: I always fall into the Ewan Kutlaba trap. I go

2099
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:34,120
Speaker 6: if he could just grapple, because Tanner Boser has been

2100
01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:36,439
Speaker 6: exposed in the grappling last time. And I guess Nasimento.

2101
01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:38,960
Speaker 6: It's like I had a lot of shekels on Tanner Bojer.

2102
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:41,120
Speaker 6: I thought he was gonna run thuugh Nacimento just couldn't

2103
01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:42,680
Speaker 6: get up, which is getting bullied in there. I like

2104
01:50:42,760 --> 01:50:44,640
Speaker 6: to cut the two zero five here. I love the

2105
01:50:44,720 --> 01:50:48,040
Speaker 6: Kentucky waterfall that he always rocks there, Tanner Boser. I

2106
01:50:48,280 --> 01:50:50,800
Speaker 6: like that, I like, I like, I like Tanner Boser.

2107
01:50:50,920 --> 01:50:52,640
Speaker 6: I think the volume is gonna be big here and

2108
01:50:52,720 --> 01:50:54,439
Speaker 6: kutz Lava is just a while and you can't trust

2109
01:50:54,479 --> 01:50:57,240
Speaker 6: him even with this nice number, you know, I figured

2110
01:50:57,360 --> 01:50:58,720
Speaker 6: it would be a little flip. So I actually think

2111
01:50:58,720 --> 01:51:00,920
Speaker 6: you're getting a better number on tan A lot of

2112
01:51:01,000 --> 01:51:02,600
Speaker 6: question marks around on my two five. But give me

2113
01:51:02,680 --> 01:51:04,000
Speaker 6: Tanner Bojer here Bulldoor Boser.

2114
01:51:04,120 --> 01:51:05,240
Speaker 1: Let's go, all right?

2115
01:51:05,240 --> 01:51:07,960
Speaker 3: Brian Petrie likes Tanner Boser plus one hundred. Hey, can

2116
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:11,320
Speaker 3: you say Betch's last name? Can you say Betch again

2117
01:51:11,400 --> 01:51:12,720
Speaker 3: for me? Her full name?

2118
01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:21,040
Speaker 1: You gotta sing it like I thank you, Kenny, thank

2119
01:51:21,120 --> 01:51:22,160
Speaker 1: you better than last time.

2120
01:51:22,240 --> 01:51:22,400
Speaker 2: Though.

2121
01:51:22,520 --> 01:51:25,320
Speaker 3: It was good that video Cody put together with Hey,

2122
01:51:25,400 --> 01:51:27,280
Speaker 3: I watched that. I don't even want to tell people

2123
01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:30,559
Speaker 3: how many times I watched that. I can't flow Laba Boser?

2124
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:36,200
Speaker 3: Which way you're going? Can flow? Boserkute Laba? Do you

2125
01:51:36,240 --> 01:51:38,559
Speaker 3: have a pick for us? We have a frozen flow.

2126
01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:42,000
Speaker 3: Oh Brian, what were you going to say, by the

2127
01:51:42,040 --> 01:51:43,439
Speaker 3: way before I so rudely cut you off?

2128
01:51:43,560 --> 01:51:45,800
Speaker 1: Now, my kid watches that all the time. It's on

2129
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:48,400
Speaker 1: my phone. She takes my phone and she just loves it.

2130
01:51:48,479 --> 01:51:49,120
Speaker 1: It's so funny.

2131
01:51:49,720 --> 01:51:51,439
Speaker 3: All right, Well, we're gonna wait on a prediction from

2132
01:51:51,560 --> 01:51:53,880
Speaker 3: Kenny for Kute Laba and Tanner Boser. But in the

2133
01:51:53,960 --> 01:51:55,880
Speaker 3: nature of time, I'm gonna stay in the division and

2134
01:51:55,960 --> 01:51:58,719
Speaker 3: move on to two hundred and five pounds. Dustin Jacoby

2135
01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:01,840
Speaker 3: is minus one eighty ozamont. Murza Khanov is plus one

2136
01:52:01,960 --> 01:52:04,680
Speaker 3: fifty five. One of the better light heavyweights that a

2137
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:08,200
Speaker 3: lot of the casual fans don't know about. Jacoby coming

2138
01:52:08,240 --> 01:52:10,879
Speaker 3: off a split loss to khleue Radtreet Junior last October,

2139
01:52:11,280 --> 01:52:13,479
Speaker 3: Murza Khanoff twelve and oh, a couple of stoppage wins

2140
01:52:13,520 --> 01:52:16,479
Speaker 3: in the UFC. Already big test for him here against

2141
01:52:16,479 --> 01:52:17,879
Speaker 3: the credential dust In Jacoby.

2142
01:52:18,400 --> 01:52:19,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, mrzer.

2143
01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:20,720
Speaker 6: Khanoff's a guy that came in the U see that

2144
01:52:20,840 --> 01:52:23,120
Speaker 6: I was hyped about, and then he fell a little flat,

2145
01:52:23,720 --> 01:52:26,639
Speaker 6: saved his debut with the flying in the third round,

2146
01:52:26,640 --> 01:52:28,880
Speaker 6: and then Devin Clark fight was very kind of odd,

2147
01:52:29,160 --> 01:52:31,280
Speaker 6: slow pace, and he picked Devin Clark up, knocked him

2148
01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:33,439
Speaker 6: out the third round as well. Dustin Jacoby, I think

2149
01:52:33,560 --> 01:52:35,840
Speaker 6: is underappreciated. I think this guy is the real deal.

2150
01:52:36,160 --> 01:52:39,400
Speaker 6: Has good boxing, has good volume, fought high level kickboxers,

2151
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:42,080
Speaker 6: fought Ax Pereira. This guy is the real deal, and

2152
01:52:42,200 --> 01:52:43,880
Speaker 6: he stays in shape, He's willing to take fights on

2153
01:52:43,880 --> 01:52:44,559
Speaker 6: a short notice.

2154
01:52:44,680 --> 01:52:45,200
Speaker 1: He's big.

2155
01:52:45,520 --> 01:52:47,479
Speaker 6: He's a guy that just doesn't get talked about enough.

2156
01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:49,439
Speaker 6: I think he got robbed in the Roundtree fight. I

2157
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:51,800
Speaker 6: had Jacoby in that fight. I like Jacoby here. This

2158
01:52:51,920 --> 01:52:53,800
Speaker 6: is a solid pick for me. I'm not going to

2159
01:52:53,880 --> 01:52:56,639
Speaker 6: lock him up because murder Khanoff hasn't tasted the feet yet.

2160
01:52:56,680 --> 01:52:58,760
Speaker 6: He is a rush and he can't wrestle. We haven't

2161
01:52:58,760 --> 01:53:00,840
Speaker 6: seen it yet, but he can do that. Jacoby is

2162
01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:04,200
Speaker 6: really shiring up his takedown offence. But I like Jacoby here.

2163
01:53:04,200 --> 01:53:05,680
Speaker 6: I think he outpaces him. I think it's gonna be

2164
01:53:05,680 --> 01:53:08,720
Speaker 6: a decision win here. Volume volume kills in this fight

2165
01:53:08,800 --> 01:53:09,000
Speaker 6: for me.

2166
01:53:09,400 --> 01:53:11,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, you hit on a lot of important points there,

2167
01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:13,240
Speaker 3: and I think chief among them, I guess for me.

2168
01:53:14,640 --> 01:53:17,240
Speaker 3: Really thought he did enough to beat Rowntree Junior and

2169
01:53:17,280 --> 01:53:18,920
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, the long winning streets still

2170
01:53:18,960 --> 01:53:21,720
Speaker 3: in tow and you're getting a different type opponent. So

2171
01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:24,200
Speaker 3: we'll see how it goes for Jacoby this weekend. But

2172
01:53:24,240 --> 01:53:26,360
Speaker 3: Petrie likes him at minus one eighty, all right, we

2173
01:53:26,439 --> 01:53:28,160
Speaker 3: are going to get a comin event selection from you,

2174
01:53:28,240 --> 01:53:30,000
Speaker 3: and then I'll backroll it with ken Flow when he

2175
01:53:30,120 --> 01:53:34,679
Speaker 3: is back online. So Billy Corntello, what a fight? Minus

2176
01:53:34,760 --> 01:53:39,240
Speaker 3: one seventy Edson Barbosa plus one forty five, So Corntello

2177
01:53:39,400 --> 01:53:41,439
Speaker 3: is thirty four years of age. Don't let the baby

2178
01:53:41,479 --> 01:53:43,799
Speaker 3: face fool you. Now's got to be the time to contend.

2179
01:53:43,880 --> 01:53:46,559
Speaker 3: He's five and two in the UFC, stopped Alexander Hernandez

2180
01:53:46,680 --> 01:53:50,080
Speaker 3: last December, and now he's getting the big fight on

2181
01:53:50,280 --> 01:53:53,080
Speaker 3: which careers in theory are built, taking on Barboso, who

2182
01:53:53,160 --> 01:53:57,000
Speaker 3: makes his twenty eighth UFC appearance. Barbosa in search of

2183
01:53:57,080 --> 01:53:59,080
Speaker 3: his first win since he got Shane Burgos back in

2184
01:53:59,120 --> 01:54:02,599
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one. That's a common opponent, and they thought

2185
01:54:02,680 --> 01:54:05,599
Speaker 3: Shane Burgos within five months of each other, Barbosa first

2186
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:08,400
Speaker 3: and then in a big spot obviously for Burgos after

2187
01:54:08,479 --> 01:54:10,400
Speaker 3: that bad loss to Barboza was able to get the

2188
01:54:10,439 --> 01:54:12,360
Speaker 3: best of Billy C a few months later. How do

2189
01:54:12,400 --> 01:54:15,960
Speaker 3: you see the comin event, Brian Petrie, Corntello the favorite,

2190
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:16,800
Speaker 3: Barbosa the dog.

2191
01:54:17,280 --> 01:54:19,240
Speaker 6: I love this fight and when I first saw it,

2192
01:54:19,640 --> 01:54:22,519
Speaker 6: my instincts tell me Barbosa at that plus money, man,

2193
01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:24,840
Speaker 6: this guy is the real deal. He is thirty seven.

2194
01:54:24,920 --> 01:54:27,000
Speaker 6: Now he's starting to he's starting to wear it a

2195
01:54:27,040 --> 01:54:28,760
Speaker 6: little bit right. And Billy Q is a guy that

2196
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:31,120
Speaker 6: just he just wants the opportunity. This guy just wants

2197
01:54:31,200 --> 01:54:35,320
Speaker 6: to fight Cardio, no problem. Toughness, no problem. I don't

2198
01:54:35,320 --> 01:54:38,240
Speaker 6: think he's great anywhere, but he puts it together so well.

2199
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:41,320
Speaker 6: And I remember Spike Carlile fight was just as incredible.

2200
01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:44,160
Speaker 1: That's really to me. Brought him out and really showed

2201
01:54:44,200 --> 01:54:45,000
Speaker 1: who Billy Q was.

2202
01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:47,640
Speaker 6: So as much as I want to dance with Barbos

2203
01:54:47,680 --> 01:54:50,280
Speaker 6: at this plus money, I think Billy CU's pressure is

2204
01:54:50,360 --> 01:54:53,640
Speaker 6: gonna be too much for barbos. I think Barbosa's gonna

2205
01:54:53,640 --> 01:54:55,560
Speaker 6: be really good and dangerous on the outside. Those body

2206
01:54:55,640 --> 01:54:57,960
Speaker 6: kicks are nasty there always will be. But I think

2207
01:54:58,160 --> 01:55:00,680
Speaker 6: Billy Q just be in his face. Guy's a Buffalo

2208
01:55:00,760 --> 01:55:03,440
Speaker 6: Bills fan. This guy doesn't fuck around. He jumps to

2209
01:55:03,640 --> 01:55:06,520
Speaker 6: tables right, So he's gonna be in this dude's face,

2210
01:55:06,840 --> 01:55:08,800
Speaker 6: and uh he might break him late.

2211
01:55:08,920 --> 01:55:09,600
Speaker 1: I mean I might.

2212
01:55:09,680 --> 01:55:12,120
Speaker 6: I might sprinkle third round, tagether or something. But I'm

2213
01:55:12,160 --> 01:55:14,560
Speaker 6: thinking it's just gonna be a pace that Edson can't

2214
01:55:14,640 --> 01:55:15,960
Speaker 6: keep up with. Give me Billy cute.

2215
01:55:16,520 --> 01:55:19,280
Speaker 1: You look like a Billy. I look like a Billy.

2216
01:55:19,680 --> 01:55:19,880
Speaker 3: You do.

2217
01:55:20,400 --> 01:55:23,000
Speaker 6: I was going to be a Chris until three days

2218
01:55:23,040 --> 01:55:23,680
Speaker 6: before I was born.

2219
01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:27,920
Speaker 3: You also look like a Chris really okay, And just

2220
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:31,080
Speaker 3: so the parents out there, no, I just censored myself twice.

2221
01:55:32,200 --> 01:55:34,280
Speaker 1: I really want to say, you look like a fucking Billy,

2222
01:55:34,320 --> 01:55:35,920
Speaker 1: and you really look like a fucking Chris.

2223
01:55:36,240 --> 01:55:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2224
01:55:36,520 --> 01:55:39,320
Speaker 6: My dad wanted Chris and my mom like two days

2225
01:55:39,400 --> 01:55:41,520
Speaker 6: like not with this because we didn't know about I

2226
01:55:41,600 --> 01:55:43,360
Speaker 6: have two older sisters and they didn't want to find

2227
01:55:43,400 --> 01:55:46,320
Speaker 6: out with me, so I was gonna be Emily or Chris,

2228
01:55:46,520 --> 01:55:47,440
Speaker 6: and then now I'm Brian.

2229
01:55:47,560 --> 01:55:49,560
Speaker 3: So here we are, right, Kenny, I just need to

2230
01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:51,800
Speaker 3: get a couple of light heavyweight picks on the record.

2231
01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:53,760
Speaker 3: I don't need your analysis, and then you can do

2232
01:55:53,840 --> 01:55:56,360
Speaker 3: a deep dive on the Komine event. You going Kute

2233
01:55:56,480 --> 01:55:59,760
Speaker 3: Laba minus one twenty or Tanner Bozer plus one hundred.

2234
01:56:00,920 --> 01:56:04,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is tough. Kuda Laba, you know he's inconsistent,

2235
01:56:04,400 --> 01:56:07,320
Speaker 1: and Tanner Boser also inconsistent. So I'm just gonna go

2236
01:56:07,400 --> 01:56:11,040
Speaker 1: with I'm gonna go with Boser here, uh, And I'm

2237
01:56:11,120 --> 01:56:14,160
Speaker 1: gonna go with the underdog in the next one, Azamat

2238
01:56:14,320 --> 01:56:17,240
Speaker 1: Mrza Khanoff. I think he's got a left hand from

2239
01:56:17,240 --> 01:56:19,520
Speaker 1: hell you gotta watch out for, and he can mix

2240
01:56:19,560 --> 01:56:21,840
Speaker 1: things up with his takedown, So I'm going with Ukon

2241
01:56:22,040 --> 01:56:22,600
Speaker 1: And what do you.

2242
01:56:22,640 --> 01:56:25,840
Speaker 3: Make of this comine event? Betting line suggests this is

2243
01:56:25,880 --> 01:56:30,320
Speaker 3: two fighters going in opposite directions. Some people suggest always

2244
01:56:30,360 --> 01:56:34,160
Speaker 3: bet on Cardio and while Barbozas is great, corn Tello's

2245
01:56:34,240 --> 01:56:36,840
Speaker 3: is as good as anyone's in this division. What do

2246
01:56:36,880 --> 01:56:38,839
Speaker 3: you think about the comin event? Ken flow and ultimately

2247
01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:39,600
Speaker 3: we'll need a selection.

2248
01:56:41,120 --> 01:56:43,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Cardio is one thing, but Cardio and

2249
01:56:44,440 --> 01:56:47,880
Speaker 1: durability is is quite another. And that is Billy Q.

2250
01:56:48,800 --> 01:56:51,640
Speaker 1: I just think his ability to pressure and stay in there,

2251
01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:54,680
Speaker 1: and Barbosa tends to fold as the fight goes on.

2252
01:56:55,320 --> 01:56:57,680
Speaker 1: He can be overwhelmed, and I think Billy C's that

2253
01:56:57,800 --> 01:56:59,960
Speaker 1: guy that can overwhelm him. So give me Billy Climb

2254
01:57:00,040 --> 01:57:02,000
Speaker 1: main event. And what a main event it is in

2255
01:57:02,120 --> 01:57:06,520
Speaker 1: Kansas City. Max Holloway minus one ninety, Arnold Allen plus

2256
01:57:06,640 --> 01:57:10,280
Speaker 1: one sixty. So Max Holloway's win over Calvin Cator is

2257
01:57:10,320 --> 01:57:14,240
Speaker 1: immortalized behind me. That is the most sensational five round

2258
01:57:14,280 --> 01:57:16,360
Speaker 1: performance that I have ever seen in my life. And

2259
01:57:16,440 --> 01:57:20,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't actually all that long ago, but eleven straight

2260
01:57:20,640 --> 01:57:23,280
Speaker 1: main events or title fights for Max Holloway, and that

2261
01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:26,120
Speaker 1: does come with a price. His last seven fights have

2262
01:57:26,280 --> 01:57:29,120
Speaker 1: gone the full twenty five minutes. All of that juxtaposed

2263
01:57:29,160 --> 01:57:32,040
Speaker 1: against Arnold Allen, who made his UFC debut in twenty fifteen,

2264
01:57:32,480 --> 01:57:34,880
Speaker 1: ninth year in the UFC, and he's ten and zero

2265
01:57:34,920 --> 01:57:37,960
Speaker 1: in the octagon, so hasn't been able to regularly compete

2266
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:40,880
Speaker 1: more than one point five or so times a year.

2267
01:57:41,280 --> 01:57:44,280
Speaker 1: We'll lead with you, Brian Petrie, Max Holloway minus one

2268
01:57:44,440 --> 01:57:48,600
Speaker 1: ninety Arnold Allen plus one sixty who wins this featherweight

2269
01:57:48,640 --> 01:57:50,400
Speaker 1: main event. I mean, what a fight? What a fight?

2270
01:57:50,480 --> 01:57:53,160
Speaker 6: Listen, Yeah, you're right. Our Allen's inconsistency was really bothering

2271
01:57:53,200 --> 01:57:54,760
Speaker 6: me early in his career. I faded him a bunch

2272
01:57:54,800 --> 01:57:56,680
Speaker 6: of times. I even think I picked I did pick

2273
01:57:56,720 --> 01:57:58,560
Speaker 6: cat against him. And then you know, he looked great,

2274
01:57:58,640 --> 01:58:02,480
Speaker 6: look fast, he looked big, he looks strong. I underestimate

2275
01:58:02,520 --> 01:58:05,000
Speaker 6: how actually thick he is for one forty five. But

2276
01:58:05,120 --> 01:58:06,640
Speaker 6: this is just and he's got a great number next

2277
01:58:06,680 --> 01:58:08,440
Speaker 6: to his name. So if you're valuable, you're chasing him.

2278
01:58:08,480 --> 01:58:10,560
Speaker 6: You're up on the night you want to play RN.

2279
01:58:10,600 --> 01:58:13,280
Speaker 6: Allen's there. But again, I'm having a rough year. I'm

2280
01:58:13,320 --> 01:58:15,720
Speaker 6: not having a great year picking fights and I'm trying

2281
01:58:15,760 --> 01:58:17,640
Speaker 6: to figure out why. And a lot of the times

2282
01:58:17,680 --> 01:58:19,400
Speaker 6: I look at these young guys and I go, young

2283
01:58:19,600 --> 01:58:22,040
Speaker 6: is going to beat the established guys. That really doesn't

2284
01:58:22,040 --> 01:58:23,680
Speaker 6: happen all that much. I mean, I don't have stats

2285
01:58:23,720 --> 01:58:25,400
Speaker 6: in front of me. This happened this weekend.

2286
01:58:25,480 --> 01:58:27,920
Speaker 1: Font proved. Hey, I'm an established guy. I've been here.

2287
01:58:28,120 --> 01:58:30,400
Speaker 6: Max always lost, but he's lost. The best poundful pound

2288
01:58:30,440 --> 01:58:31,840
Speaker 6: fighter in the world. I don't care what happened in

2289
01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:34,760
Speaker 6: the Islam fight. Volcanoski's the best pound for pound fight

2290
01:58:34,800 --> 01:58:36,680
Speaker 6: in the world. That's who Max is losing to, right,

2291
01:58:37,080 --> 01:58:39,400
Speaker 6: and he's losing to him, and he got butchered his

2292
01:58:39,520 --> 01:58:41,440
Speaker 6: last time out. I'll get met that. But the two

2293
01:58:41,440 --> 01:58:43,480
Speaker 6: fights before that he looked great. And then the Calvin

2294
01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:45,000
Speaker 6: Cator fighter. I think this is to be levels. And

2295
01:58:45,120 --> 01:58:47,840
Speaker 6: what I love about Max here is he does everything

2296
01:58:47,880 --> 01:58:50,560
Speaker 6: in quiet, like he got married. He has a kid, right,

2297
01:58:51,000 --> 01:58:53,120
Speaker 6: but you don't really know much about his team. You know,

2298
01:58:53,200 --> 01:58:55,440
Speaker 6: he doesn't post a ton of training photos. This is

2299
01:58:55,600 --> 01:58:57,560
Speaker 6: just getting better and he's one of the most competitive

2300
01:58:57,600 --> 01:58:59,720
Speaker 6: guys in the UFC. And I think he's coming out

2301
01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:01,840
Speaker 6: here he's gonna be motivated here. I think Arnold Allen

2302
01:59:01,880 --> 01:59:04,360
Speaker 6: cannot stand with him for long. I think Alan's big,

2303
01:59:04,440 --> 01:59:06,880
Speaker 6: big power, but I think Max eventually will take over

2304
01:59:07,000 --> 01:59:08,840
Speaker 6: this technique. I think arn Allan needs to mix it

2305
01:59:08,920 --> 01:59:11,640
Speaker 6: up interesting to see if if Max can really stop

2306
01:59:11,680 --> 01:59:13,200
Speaker 6: some takedowns. That's something we haven't seen him fight in

2307
01:59:13,200 --> 01:59:15,360
Speaker 6: a while as a grappler. I'm going Max Holloway, even

2308
01:59:15,360 --> 01:59:18,560
Speaker 6: though I like Number Allen. Give me Max, no no

2309
01:59:18,680 --> 01:59:20,520
Speaker 6: extra units. I'm gonn I'm gonna play safe this week,

2310
01:59:20,560 --> 01:59:21,200
Speaker 6: but give me Max.

2311
01:59:21,840 --> 01:59:24,360
Speaker 3: Once you're an established brand, I'm gonna start digging around

2312
01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:26,160
Speaker 3: and calling you a big gun Billy Petrie. But we

2313
01:59:26,240 --> 01:59:29,840
Speaker 3: got to say, Brian, Brian Pitcher likes Max Holloway, Ken Flow.

2314
01:59:30,320 --> 01:59:31,960
Speaker 3: You going the other way on Arnold Allen or are

2315
01:59:31,960 --> 01:59:36,000
Speaker 3: you sticking with with the older, reliable Max Holloway.

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Speaker 1: This is a tricky one. I think Arnold Allen is

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Speaker 1: capable of pulling this off. But Max Holloway five rounds,

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Speaker 1: all that experience. I think Arnold Allen could do very

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Speaker 1: well early on. You know rounds three, four, and five,

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Speaker 1: where Max Holloway really starts getting into them. That's where

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Speaker 1: it gets interesting for me. Yeah, it's tough Brian, I've

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Speaker 1: been doing the same thing. I've been kind of sleeping

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Speaker 1: on Arnold Allen. I do think he's He's a tremendous

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Speaker 1: fighter with a lot of skills. He gets by Holloway. Man,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna faint him anymore.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: But it's tough to go against Hallowey at this stage

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Speaker 1: of the game. I will acknowledge similar to that last

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Speaker 1: jorgem Masvidel Gilbert Burns fight, that Holloway his reaction time

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Speaker 1: is slowing down a little bit. Is it was it

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Speaker 1: the speed and feints of Volkanofsky in that last one,

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Speaker 1: or am I seeing a deterioration there? I might be

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Speaker 1: seeing a deterioration there. Holloway still young, but man, he's

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Speaker 1: had a lot of fights in a lot of wars,

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Speaker 1: so that concerns me. And I'm such a huge Max

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Speaker 1: Holloway fan, and what he's done here for the sport

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Speaker 1: is just, you know, second and none. Dude's absolute legend.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: But I still believe him. I still believe in him, Brian.

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Speaker 1: I can't go the other way. I'm sorry, but I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna go with Max Holloway unless I see something, you know,

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Speaker 1: out of the ordinary. Maybe a waket, a bad way

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Speaker 1: cut or something. I'm sticking with Halla.

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Speaker 3: Both guys like Halloway in the main event. You can

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Speaker 3: get more from Brian Petrie on the MMA Takes podcast

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Speaker 3: if you're so inclined at Brian Petrie MMA on social media.

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Speaker 3: Much love my brother. We appreciate your time and we're

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Speaker 3: gonna be talking every week for a while, no dark

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Speaker 3: weeks for some time, So buckle up, buddy. We'll talk

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Speaker 3: to you next Monday. Thank you, sir, I'll see you boys.

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Speaker 1: Thanks.

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Speaker 3: There is the great Brian Petrie with us here on

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Speaker 3: the Anak and Floran podcast. And thanks everybody for indulging

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Speaker 3: us for the UFC two eighty seven recap today. Thank

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Speaker 3: you to Teddy Atlas, thank you to Ray Longo, Thanks

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Speaker 3: to my man Kenny Flory, and I apologize for having

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Speaker 3: a duck away. That really was not my intention, but

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Speaker 3: you know, felt like it was a good opportunity to

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Speaker 3: hop on first take and maybe helps the show in

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Speaker 3: some small part as well.

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Speaker 1: Best of luck in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 3: I know your marathon schedule continues can flow with Shane

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Speaker 3: Burgos coming up this weekend against Olivier Obama. Mercier don't

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Speaker 3: Millions dot Co. For you one more sleep merchandise as well.

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Speaker 3: We'll be back with you Thursday, one on one with

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Speaker 3: Evan Longoria live on the DraftKings YouTube channel and wherever

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Speaker 3: you ingest your podcast. On the audio side, thanks you

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Speaker 3: our Zak producer Cody Merrow, and thank you to all

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Speaker 3: our guests for Kennifl and John Anic. Thank you all

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Speaker 3: for listening and watching. We'll talk to you in a

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Speaker 3: few days. Until then, yell later.

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Speaker 2: H