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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we perceive all the receptions.

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Speaker 2: I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm here in the Chris Westleying.

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Speaker 1: Podcast studio with Patrick CLAYBN, my friend, and coming to

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Speaker 1: us live from the East Coast Virginia. I believe the

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Speaker 1: man Matt Harmon, who created reception perception, who has never

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Speaker 1: seen a reception that he has not perceived with utter clarity,

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Speaker 1: and that's why he's themand to talk wide receivers and

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Speaker 1: tight ends.

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Speaker 2: What's up, buddy?

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Speaker 3: That was? That was the most humbling and gratifying introduction

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Speaker 3: I think I've ever gone on a show. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's funny, I guess if you think about it, like

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Speaker 3: the whole point of reception, perception is going beyond just

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Speaker 3: the catches and the production. So maybe that was a

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Speaker 3: bad name, you know, because like I should, it should

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Speaker 3: be like route perception or something. Now you've really got no,

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Speaker 3: you got me in a tailspin now about the whole business.

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Speaker 2: No, it sounds.

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Speaker 1: It sounds great because it rhymes, and I don't think

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Speaker 1: anyone until I came along, really broke it down to

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Speaker 1: its root meeting, which is that you have a more

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Speaker 1: of a depth of perception than other people.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's putting out out front.

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Speaker 5: Hey, we're going to contextualize the thing that you want

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Speaker 5: out of this process, which is a reception. Right, you

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Speaker 5: run the routes and you throw the ball in order

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Speaker 5: to have the reception. And so we're going to perceive

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Speaker 5: the receptions. And the man who birthed the idea from

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Speaker 5: his loins which has been duplicated, I mean imitated, but

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Speaker 5: never duplicated joining us on the show to talk about

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Speaker 5: past catchers, because again, you want the reception, that's what

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Speaker 5: you want.

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Speaker 1: It's true we have tight ends today as well, and

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Speaker 1: there is a little part of me that feels guilty

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Speaker 1: when we just have matt On to talk receivers. It's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's it's draft season. Let's go, let's go break out

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Speaker 1: Harmon out of the closet to like, let's move monkey

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Speaker 1: and just talk receivers and tight ends.

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Speaker 2: That's not all you're good for.

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Speaker 1: You. You're a husband, you're a great analyst of fantasy

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Speaker 1: football that used to do you know, fantasy with Patrick here.

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Speaker 1: I believe you two guys probably attended each other's wedding.

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Speaker 1: So I'm feeling like I'm not I'm not as close,

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Speaker 1: but we did do a podcast back in the day,

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Speaker 1: Backyard Banter. I mean, you're just more than just reception.

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Speaker 1: Perception and receivers, but that is kind of your specialty. Harmon,

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Speaker 1: just accept it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it would have been really weird if you

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Speaker 3: brought me on here. It's like, all right, let's talk kickers,

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Speaker 3: you know, like, let let's talk whatever. It would be

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Speaker 3: a normal show. You're a great analyst. Well I appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I can confirm I was at Patrick Claibon's

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Speaker 3: wedding at mine, So yeah, boom, there we go. We

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Speaker 3: can officially put that confirmation out there.

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Speaker 2: But how is that chemistry going to show up in

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Speaker 2: this show though?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 1: Will it? Will people be able to tell the difference

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Speaker 1: that you guys are really that tight?

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Speaker 3: No, I keep it. I keep it professional with everybody

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Speaker 3: on air obviously off air, as soon as as soon

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Speaker 3: as we click out of here, Like I'm going to

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Speaker 3: be very friendly with Claybon and very antagonistic to you Greg,

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Speaker 3: But that is just the that's just professionalism really here.

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Speaker 3: But I want to say here on the tight end

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Speaker 3: part of it, just off the top, I don't chart

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Speaker 3: tight ends, you know, for recession perceptions. But that's the

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Speaker 3: best part of this is that we'll do my very

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Speaker 3: you know, buttoned up like all right, I've charted every

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Speaker 3: route of these guys for the wide receivers, and then

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Speaker 3: with tight ends, we're just going to kind of shoot

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Speaker 3: from the hips. So it'll be funward.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're doing from with everyone, and let's let's

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Speaker 1: just get into it.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's talk receivers.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, like your rankings, Harmon, And I

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Speaker 1: know Patrick's got some hot takes about these receivers.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he has a ranking.

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Speaker 1: He's got some hot takes, and I've got some of

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Speaker 1: my own as well, So I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: have a pure rankings after going through them all, but

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Speaker 1: who's kind of in your top and break it down

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Speaker 1: by tiers.

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Speaker 4: In the top?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so yeah, I do have rankings. They are on

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Speaker 3: Reception Perception dot Com, the stacked rankings from multiple classes,

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Speaker 3: so you can kind of compare twenty twenty five to

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Speaker 3: twenty four to twenty three, et cetera, et cetera. Number

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Speaker 3: one tier of his own is Travis Hunter. To me,

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Speaker 3: if we're just viewing him as a wide receiver, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I really I think it's under sold just what an

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Speaker 3: incredible pure football player he is. Like, I think he

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Speaker 3: should clearly be the number one prospect in this class.

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Speaker 3: And it just like we use generational all the time,

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Speaker 3: and usually it's bad analysis. Usually a player is not generational.

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Speaker 3: This guy actually is a once in a lifetime football player.

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Speaker 3: So there's that part of it, just straight up. But

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Speaker 3: if we're just viewing him as a wide receiver, he's

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Speaker 3: one of my favorite receivers I've ever evaluated because he

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Speaker 3: just checks every single box ninety seven percentile success rate versone,

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Speaker 3: ninety seven percentile success rate versus press. I realized he's

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Speaker 3: obviously playing, you know, maybe some lighter competition in the

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Speaker 3: Big twelve, but he's dominating. He's obliterating that competition. He

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Speaker 3: also has rare ball skills, rare catching ability. He's excellent

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Speaker 3: and contested catch situations. He rarely goes down on first contact.

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Speaker 3: My comparison for him both as a mover off the

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Speaker 3: line of scrimmage just an overall receiver is like prime

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Speaker 3: Odell Beckham. So to me, like he is, he's up

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Speaker 3: So he's the only one that I think is like

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Speaker 3: the top ten of any draft. He's already made starter.

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Speaker 3: He could turn into a superstar. He's the only guy

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Speaker 5: To me, I think the thing that runs people off

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Speaker 5: because like, if you listen like Steve Smith's thoughts on

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Speaker 5: Travis Hunters a wide receiver, there's the rawness and I

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Speaker 5: understand the Odell comp but then there's an aspect of

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Speaker 5: route running where I would like to equate it to

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Speaker 5: you have your standard golf swing, and then you have

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Speaker 5: your non standard golf swings. But ultimately what matters is

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Speaker 5: is where the ball winds up. And if you're going

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Speaker 5: for another across sport camp, if you're going form basketball shooting,

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Speaker 5: you look at Klay Thompson shoot the basketball and you're like, oh,

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Speaker 5: that guy is a much better shooter than this Steph

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Speaker 5: And so like I understand if you're looking at Travis

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Speaker 5: and it's like, well, there's a different look. There's plenty

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Speaker 5: of different ways to go about things, but you can't

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Speaker 1: Well, he's also on the field for one hundred and

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Speaker 2: Like the thing that stuck out to me. We're not

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Speaker 1: I'm just because you're a victim of the circumstance of

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Speaker 1: the NFL daily week harm and I feel like it's

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Speaker 1: been a big Travis under week. We definitely talked about him,

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Speaker 1: and I'm with you. I would absolutely take him over

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Speaker 1: Harrison and Neighbors as prospects.

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Speaker 2: Just that receiver.

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Speaker 1: To me, he is right there with like the Jamar

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Speaker 1: Chases and the best wide receiver prospects that that we've

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Speaker 1: the game slows down for him at such an incredible

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Speaker 1: skills and his reach and everything is just absolutely next level.

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Speaker 1: And then you you add in like one hundred and

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Speaker 1: Like what more do you want he?

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Speaker 3: To me?

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Speaker 1: Would be the number one overall player just as a

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Speaker 1: wide receiver and as a quarterback. But I'm more interested

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Speaker 1: now because I haven't we haven't dove as deeply into

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Speaker 1: the rest of the class. Let's say he's in a

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Speaker 1: I think about how to stack the next three guys potentially,

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Speaker 1: a deep class where there's a lot of guys who

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Speaker 1: what types of players that these guys are, so a

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Speaker 1: little bit agnostic. Having broken down all the film, where

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there's two guys that stand out from

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Speaker 3: late round one early round two type are a very

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Speaker 3: very good day two player. The two guys that stick

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Speaker 3: he's just a number two. He's more like a power

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Speaker 3: slot receiver. How much upside is there with that? Nobody

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Speaker 3: when he pushes to like lead the NFL in receptions

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Speaker 3: is like Buka to me, great zone beater, but I

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Speaker 3: perception to play outside awesome hands. Again, he's just so reliable.

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Speaker 3: So he is the guy that I would take in

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Speaker 3: like the middle of the first round. And yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: he's my number two receiver, big, big whoop. You're getting

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Speaker 3: a huge value on that from what number two receivers

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Speaker 3: quote unquote are play are paid in the NFL right now.

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Speaker 3: So he's he's my three, and McMillan I have a

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Speaker 3: size profile is really good. He's just a like good

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Speaker 3: strong X receiver prospect, not perfect, which is why he's

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Speaker 3: not quite in that Tier one level. To me, there

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Speaker 3: are some game but you know, again, somebody i'd be

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Speaker 1: Okay, so those two guys are seventeen and eighteen on

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Speaker 1: Daniel Deremia's big board, behind Matthew Golden. By the way,

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Speaker 1: who will get to I'm sure soon's let's start with

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Speaker 1: like Buka here, because he's someone I've gotten back and

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Speaker 1: forth with when I watched him, and then when I

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Speaker 1: talk to people and I'm like, for instance, our friend

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Speaker 1: Mina Kimes thinks he's diet Jackson Smith and Jigba, and

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Speaker 1: other people think he's better than a Jackson Smith and Jigba,

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Speaker 1: and he's in that category. And the more I watch,

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Speaker 1: I kind of settled on that he's probably a little

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Speaker 1: below that for me, And it's it's what you want

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Speaker 1: to value if you're like Harmon and I think more

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Speaker 1: than any player in this class, he feels like a

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Speaker 1: on that maybe he's not quite special enough that if

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Speaker 1: I had to like rank him versus other guys in

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Speaker 1: the past like Smith and Jigba, I actually would put

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Speaker 1: him a little bit below. But he was a professional

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Speaker 5: Yeah, if we're if the if the goal right is

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Speaker 5: right in the draft in general, other than the other

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Speaker 5: get to where I just need to see the elite traits.

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Speaker 5: I think some of the things that and I'm not

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Speaker 5: saying this is building Matt up, but it's building other

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Speaker 5: people up. With a BUCA is the uniform, and there's

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Speaker 4: I just I don't see any of those.

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Speaker 5: No, I agree like that that ability to explode away

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Speaker 5: when they're going to get there, and that's what makes

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Speaker 5: him a safe pick. But I'm if I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: Doubles are fine doubles in this class. Like if he

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Speaker 1: just like those were a good get. That's it's really

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Speaker 1: that's what he yeah as his first name, essentially, So

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Speaker 5: And I do wonder with the age right at twenty two,

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Speaker 1: Ever, No, you're right, that's fair, so he can take it.

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Speaker 1: It's fine, it's been it's been a generation. Abuka will

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Speaker 2: He's very good at catching the football.

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Speaker 1: You know how when that the quarterback throws it to him,

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Speaker 2: A lot of times with Egbuga it's over the shoulder.

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Speaker 3: Like it's pretty important thing.

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Speaker 1: I feel like he gets underrated though wide receiver like

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Speaker 3: I think it really is like what you value. And

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Speaker 3: especially the wide receiver psition. It's hard for any draft

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Speaker 3: you're not looking at it for a specific team or

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Speaker 3: the player that I compare Agbuka to, but he probably

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Speaker 3: and this is the tough part with this ar type

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Speaker 3: But then at the same time, like you look at

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Speaker 3: it's not quite the same statistical results. So I just

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Speaker 3: where he'd actually be one of the most productive wideouts

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Speaker 3: in the league. Just on the JSN comparison, just because

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Speaker 3: that I think JSN was a flashier player because he

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Speaker 3: was a better man coverage beater than Agbuca is. But

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Speaker 3: I think Buka is probably a superior like dirty work

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they gave him the boss so much because

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Speaker 1: he'd always get what's blocked. And that's why I thought

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Speaker 1: it's hard to compare him to them. But in terms

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Speaker 1: maybe higher than these other guys. But but McMillan, I

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Speaker 1: I expected to not like him as much as I

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Speaker 1: why I get why DJ's got him number eighteen overall.

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Speaker 1: That's why I get that he's not the just the

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Speaker 2: I really like golden two, and we'll get to him.

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Speaker 1: But I thought, like the other the other snaps like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like it's actually pretty close. Percentile wise, he's a

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Speaker 3: zone beater. So it is like very neck and neck,

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Speaker 3: but he's actually the in terms of success rate versus man,

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Speaker 3: I actually kind of did, like, I'd almost completely disagree

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Speaker 3: when I look at t Mac. But it's a good

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Speaker 1: He doesn't try that hard. That's my number one thing.

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Speaker 1: I think the effort was bad. Hear you on that, well,

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Speaker 1: I think that's huge and that kind of goes along

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Speaker 1: just about like he came in averaging eighteen yards per catch.

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Speaker 1: He had thirteen hundred yards both years. He's awesome. I

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Speaker 1: But I would want to get to the bottom of

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Speaker 3: Well, I was like, come on, yeah, he probably should

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Speaker 1: No like, but he was the primary guy I think

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Speaker 5: I think to contextualize some of those things, right, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Right, some of these are by like twenty seven point.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they're getting run out of the stadium routinely. He's

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Speaker 5: especially at a big height and weight, I could see

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Speaker 5: And I think, right, if you go back and watch

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Speaker 5: foul on pass interference that in college football just got

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Speaker 1: That's why I would bet on him in the end, Like,

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Speaker 1: And then that's where like, if he doesn't have kind

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Speaker 2: And so that's you want him to be that guy.

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Speaker 1: season almost knowing he was going to be a high

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Speaker 1: pick and that that's a tricky spot to be.

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Speaker 2: And you do wonder.

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Speaker 1: Between him and Will Johnson, two guys who are kind

437
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Speaker 1: of expected to be top five picks coming into it.

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Speaker 2: It's their teams are much better.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that does explain a little bit of whether it's

440
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Speaker 1: effort or just any In the end, he got it done.

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Speaker 2: I actually think he's a.

442
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Speaker 1: Much better guy after the catch than Courtland Sutton, for instance,

443
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Speaker 1: likes he's a good yeat guy, like he really dunk

444
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Speaker 1: on guys.

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Speaker 2: He can do it all. I think he has a

446
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Speaker 2: great natural feel like that.

447
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Speaker 1: That's where I I don't know that I have so

448
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Speaker 1: many comps just flying around, But like George Pickens, like

449
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Speaker 1: he's got a he's got not as a player, but

450
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Speaker 1: just as a feel for the position.

451
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Speaker 2: I think he's got that.

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Speaker 1: He he's football smart, is I guess how I would

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Speaker 1: put it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I like to do comps in like kind of archetypes

456
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Speaker 3: and families of receivers, and I think he belongs to

457
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Speaker 3: the family of receiver. That's like Michael Thomas, Drake, London Gap,

458
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Speaker 3: you know, Michael Pittman, Cortland Sutton, like these bigger guys

459
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Speaker 3: who are better separators than you think. But I think

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Speaker 3: he falls closer to like the Sutton Pittman zone. But

461
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Speaker 3: there's no question that like if he fully dials in.

462
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Speaker 3: I think he could get a little bit closer to

463
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Speaker 3: Drake Lenn, but I have a very high opinion of

464
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Speaker 3: Drake len and that's just where well.

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Speaker 1: And he was making a lot of plays like down

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Speaker 1: the field, and like I said, was not like he

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Speaker 1: would go down at first contact. Basically, it's not like

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Speaker 1: he's breaking tackles. But he's a smooth athlete that made

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Speaker 1: a lot of great, great plays after the catch.

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Speaker 2: So I find him fascinating.

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Speaker 1: I have him, I have him right there with gold

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Speaker 1: and I haven't really made a decision. So we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about Golden after the break. We'll talk about the rest

474
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Speaker 1: of a very fascinating wide receiver class right after this.

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Speaker 2: Back on the NFL Daily, a man.

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Speaker 1: With the biggest water bottle I've ever seen, Matt Harmon,

477
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Speaker 1: it's right next to you.

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Speaker 2: Aways will just show it off.

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Speaker 1: It just feels a little show Offye, it's a little bit.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you shouldn't am better than you because I'm

481
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Speaker 3: more hydrated than you. That is, that is for sure.

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Speaker 5: Your water bottle should increase with your mass, and Matt

483
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Speaker 5: has put on so much mass.

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Speaker 2: It's true, very few That's what I mean.

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Speaker 4: He's gonna be at the two gallon water bottle very soon.

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Speaker 1: It's true, is Matt is a year away from I

487
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Speaker 1: guess you're not going to be six four like Tep McMillan,

488
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Speaker 1: but he's going.

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Speaker 5: To be a draft site. The twenty seven NFL Draft

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Speaker 5: will be at matt Harmon.

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Speaker 3: The goal is to next year at the combine, you know,

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Speaker 3: provided that they let me go back, is to like

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Speaker 3: slip into just such one of the jumpsuits. Well, I

494
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Speaker 3: definitely get into the bench, slip into one of the

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Speaker 3: jumpsuits and see if I can get like some random

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Speaker 3: beat writer to start asking me questions.

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Speaker 1: A lot of us, a lot of us. Iron's body

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Speaker 1: lately too much. Let's talk about your next tier. So,

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Speaker 1: Matthew Golden, who you mentioned Steve Smith for instance, it's

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Speaker 1: his number one wide receiver. Jeremiah really has the top

501
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Speaker 1: three basically the same sixteen seventeen eighteen overall on his board,

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Speaker 1: but he does have Golden first. Some people I trust

503
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Speaker 1: we had we had on Ali Connelly earlier this week.

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Speaker 1: He had Golden I believe as his kind of cleared

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Speaker 1: number two along with Team Maac. Actually not clear, but

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Speaker 1: could kind of those two grouped together as a strong

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Speaker 1: two behind behind Hunter. So where do you have Golden

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Speaker 1: and give me kind of this tier what you have

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Speaker 1: lined up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Golden's my next guy after a BUKA. I really

511
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Speaker 3: like Matthew Golden. And what's the rest of the team.

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Speaker 1: First, before we get into Golden, I want to hear

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Speaker 1: Rasil by himself.

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Speaker 3: Now, Luther Burden and Jalen Knowle actually out of Iowa State.

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Speaker 3: This is kind of like the guys that I think

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Speaker 3: are late first rounders, early second rounder types. I think

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Speaker 3: Golden's really good player. He comes out excellent in terms

518
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Speaker 3: of success rate versus ozone coverage. I don't think I

519
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Speaker 3: think his I think his route running like in the

520
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Speaker 3: short area is not ideal, but he's an excellent like

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Speaker 3: once he builds up speed, he and to be honest with you,

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Speaker 3: I never saw him as like a four sub four

523
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Speaker 3: three player, but he's obviously fast. He brings you verticality.

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Speaker 3: It's really he's more like just when he snaps off

525
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Speaker 3: routes again, particularly inbreakers, he just gets so so significantly open,

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Speaker 3: particularly against like off. Yeah, it really pops, and he

527
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Speaker 3: to me would fit so well in a positioning that

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Speaker 3: like Jordan Addison found himself in which is he's across

529
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Speaker 3: from a great number one, and he can be a

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Speaker 3: very very good number two. It gives you maybe not

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Speaker 3: consistent production, but like chunk plays and explosives on the field,

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Speaker 3: and probably from like that offensive family tree as well.

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Speaker 3: So I really like Golden. I think he does. He's

534
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Speaker 3: got good hands in contested situations. It's actually one of

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Speaker 3: these guys that the harder and more difficult to catch

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Speaker 3: the higher the catch trait is. And then if it's

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Speaker 3: just some of the more routine stuff underneath, he will

538
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Speaker 3: occasionally put too many balls on the ground. So to me,

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Speaker 3: I just like I think there's more upside with some

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Speaker 3: of the other guys. I think Golden looks like just

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Speaker 3: more of like a like a good solid number two

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Speaker 3: receiver in the NFL who's probably going to be more

543
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Speaker 3: tactically valuable to a team because he opens up space

544
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Speaker 3: for guys underneath. Then he will be like productive in

545
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Speaker 3: a top receiver role when you ran all the numbers.

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Speaker 3: So people who aren't familiar, you should check out Matt

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Speaker 3: Harmon on all.

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Speaker 1: The podcasts he does. He does some football three zero

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Speaker 1: one with Nate Tice. He's got his own podcast with

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Speaker 1: his fantasy podcast at Yahoo. But he also does Reception Perception.

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Speaker 1: That's his site. That's the supplementary in supplementary income that

552
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Speaker 1: he makes, which is all it's important in the game.

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Speaker 1: You got your b big job, but then he's got

554
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Speaker 1: a little side job. And so if you are into football,

555
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Speaker 1: I highly recommend checking that out subscribing. When you broke

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Speaker 1: it all down and this is proprietary stuff here, when

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Speaker 1: you broke it out down with Golden, I'm curious if

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Speaker 1: anything stuck out, just like in terms of how he

559
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Speaker 1: wins or whether he was just kind of consistent across

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Speaker 1: the board.

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Speaker 3: No, I think if you look at like his route tree,

562
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Speaker 3: like the route success by route chart, it really is

563
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Speaker 3: the stuff down the field, nines, posts, corners, digs outs.

564
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Speaker 3: But where I think, and this is just what I

565
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Speaker 3: get hung up on, is that he's kind of average

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Speaker 3: to below average on curls and slants and stuff like

567
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Speaker 3: that where he's going to just like rack up consistent production.

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Speaker 3: I think that's the part where I didn't really see

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Speaker 3: like a clear cut Round one player and I saw

570
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Speaker 3: more of a very good complimentary guy. Again, if he

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Speaker 3: lands in a spot like like once the draft happens

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Speaker 3: he lands in a spot like Dallas where he is

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Speaker 3: across from a great number one wide receiver. Like, then

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Speaker 3: I think that's a really good situation for him. But

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Speaker 3: where I wouldn't want him to go is somewhere where

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Speaker 3: he has to then step into that number one wide

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Speaker 3: receiver role because I think he's again more tactically valuable

578
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Speaker 3: and like as a compliment than he is is a

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Speaker 3: true number one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it did.

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Speaker 5: The landing spot always is going to matter for for

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Speaker 5: all of these guys. But I think when you have

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Speaker 5: elite traits, like his explosiveness is elite, and you look

584
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Speaker 5: at the tape and it shows up there. So, like

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Speaker 5: Matt mentioned in the end Breakers, I think there were

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Speaker 5: a lot of passing yards that Quinn yours might have

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Speaker 5: left on the table.

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Speaker 4: Yes, having golden he.

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Speaker 1: Let him almost show off the boss goills because it

590
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Speaker 1: was I had a lot of great catches because they

591
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Speaker 1: were on bad throat.

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Speaker 3: But the Queen's been doing that for a few prospects.

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Speaker 5: He's had some guys in some situations where like we

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Speaker 5: might have underrated, say if you're worthy because of because

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Speaker 5: of the way things kind of turned out there. And

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Speaker 5: so like I know they had him returning kicks. I

597
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Speaker 5: didn't necessarily see the broken tackles as a as a kicker,

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Speaker 5: because you get this idea that this is a kick

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Speaker 5: return that you get on the ball in space it's

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Speaker 5: going to make.

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Speaker 4: There wasn't a.

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Speaker 5: Lot of that, but the explosion leapt off the screen

603
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Speaker 5: in a capacity to me that I can't push him

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Speaker 5: down past other guys who don't have Yeah.

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Speaker 2: To me, he's so smooth.

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Speaker 1: I went back and forth between him and McMillan in

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Speaker 1: the end, but to me, I would have them kind

608
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Speaker 1: of clearly ahead. Cause to me, he's not a similar

609
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Speaker 1: player to Buca. But to me he has a very

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Speaker 1: high floor. And maybe I'm wrong about that. He came

611
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Speaker 1: on and had at a big year, but he seems

612
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Speaker 1: very good at a lot of things. Just a solid,

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Speaker 1: as you're saying, wide receiver too. But I do think

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Speaker 1: there's a little potential for him to be closer to

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Speaker 1: a DeVonta Smith, not that he's exactly the same player,

616
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Speaker 1: but in the same way that when people were saying, wow,

617
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Speaker 1: the size, like you knows, not ideal sized, I don't care.

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Speaker 2: The way he played.

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Speaker 1: He plays very strong for his size, so I'm not

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Speaker 1: worried about his size. He pushed guys off, like off

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Speaker 1: press coverage, like he almost he brought it on and

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Speaker 1: I thought he succeeded a lot when he did it.

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Speaker 1: And so that to me was like, Hm, is there

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Speaker 1: even more here where he can be like a really

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Speaker 1: one of the best second receivers in the league or

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Speaker 1: a top twenty five receiver. You mentioned McLaurin, and I

627
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Speaker 1: think it was was it John Ledyard who made that comparison,

628
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Speaker 1: And I can kind of see that, like in a

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Speaker 1: perfect world, maybe he wins a little bit like McLaurin.

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Speaker 1: And obviously you know mclaurin's like all pro level, that's

631
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Speaker 1: next level, but you can kind of see how McLaren

632
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Speaker 1: fell in the draft. I kind of see that, and

633
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Speaker 1: so I like him a lot. I think it's a

634
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: really good wide receiver class. To me, there's a pretty

635
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Speaker 1: big drop off after those four, but not for you.

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Speaker 1: You have Burden and you have Noel in this class.

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Speaker 1: So kind of go through your process in what you

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Speaker 1: think about those two guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, with Burden, he's a tough one man because I

640
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 3: think if you grade to the Flashes, I think he

641
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 3: looks like he could be the best receiver in this class.

642
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Speaker 3: The problem is that it's not all flashes like I

643
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 3: do think he's a bit of a similar to T Mac,

644
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 3: where I think T Mac's a bit of a misunderstood player.

645
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 3: Is this just like big non separation ball winner. I

646
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 3: think Luther Burden is a little bit too miscast because

647
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 3: of how he was used as like a Mickey Mouse

648
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 3: pop gun receiver, like it just kind of a design

649
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 3: Touches gadget player. There's actually, to me a lot more

650
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 3: to his game potentially as a as a man coverage beater. Again,

651
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Speaker 3: it is flashes because he faced more zone coverage than

652
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Speaker 3: any receiver I've charted this year, and only one other

653
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 3: prospect in like the entire prospect database I have, which

654
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 3: is about one hundred and fifty players now has faced

655
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 3: more zone coverage than him, and it's just because of

656
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 3: that role that he's playing in. So again it's flashes,

657
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 3: but still sixty eighth percentile success rate versus man coverage

658
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 3: right over seventy percent, which is an encouraging number. It's

659
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 3: primarily on these like outbreaking routes where he was really

660
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 3: really good, I mean ninety point nine percent success right

661
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 3: on out routes really really encouraging number for him. The

662
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 3: problem is he's facing all that zone coverage and he's

663
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: like an average zone beater. He just gets caught up.

664
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 3: Sometimes he runs himself into zone coverage. He doesn't have

665
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 3: the best feel for it. So I think there's, honestly

666
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 3: the best way to say it is how good is

667
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 3: Luther Burden going to be? Like that's up to Luther Burden,

668
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 3: because he's another guy that came into this year with

669
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 3: like a lot of hype as just that he's going

670
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 3: to be a top ten pick. He's the best receiver

671
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 3: in this class. And you know, people kind of think

672
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 3: he mailed in this season. And I think normally I

673
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 3: wouldn't say something like normally I wouldn't say something like that,

674
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 3: but I think it shows up at times that he's

675
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 3: just not fully engaged with what's going on.

676
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 2: I think that's true.

677
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: But I so I went back and someone was like,

678
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: you got to watch his his junior tape or something

679
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: tape and stuff. That's but I thought it was there too,

680
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: like he maybe popped a little more, but the effort

681
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: was kind of came and went a little bit with

682
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: those two earlier.

683
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 2: He is a very exciting player.

684
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: But I struggle and maybe you're going to push back here,

685
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: Patrick with like just how does he fit into a team?

686
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: I think that is sometimes lost in the draft knicks,

687
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: the industrial complex. If there's one thing that's probably missing

688
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,479
Speaker 1: the most that I would say is a knowledge of

689
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: like how teams work and what's working in the league

690
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: and how he's gonna fit. And Burden feels like, man,

691
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: you better have a plan for him, And I'm not

692
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: totally sure. So I hear you that it could be

693
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: really exciting, but it could be To me, he looks

694
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: like for most teams like a fourth receiver that you're like,

695
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: how do we use this guy?

696
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's that danger of the gadget guy right

697
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 4: right that gets misused.

698
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 5: And I think the difficulty in what needs to be

699
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 5: done is you need to evaluate what he can do,

700
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,959
Speaker 5: because I'm not sure Missouri was really featuring that, especially

701
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 5: in twenty twenty four. They brought on Kirby Moore as

702
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 5: the new offensive coordinator after the twenty twenty three season,

703
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 5: and they went from the twenty ninth ranked offense in

704
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 5: college football to fifty five. Right, the points per game

705
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 5: dropped by seven and you just watch and you're like, okay,

706
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 5: like show me what you can do, Luther, and the

707
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 5: offense is.

708
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 4: Keeping you from seeing that. Like I really don't think

709
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 4: just in.

710
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 5: Terms of evaluating what the offense him an opportunity to do,

711
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 5: like because it was the same quarterback and you're just wondering,

712
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 5: like the crispness of if you're gonna ding Luthor on

713
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 5: the Christmas of the routes and the way he proceeds.

714
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of want to see the offense operating

715
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 4: that community.

716
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: Tyler Warren, who will get to it was just kind

717
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,719
Speaker 1: of like, hey, run over there, you know, just like

718
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: it's kind of run over there and we'll figure it out.

719
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 5: I don't know, but one thing, right, he punishes bad tackling.

720
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 5: If you were not in the proper position, Luther is

721
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 5: going to make you play. And if like you're a

722
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 5: Nick Immunori fan that South Carolina game when they were

723
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 5: when when there was one on one, Nick got him

724
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 5: on the ground. But then to this to the same extent,

725
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 5: when you finish that game, Luther runs a slot fade

726
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 5: with a minute and thirty seconds to go and wins

727
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 5: the game. Right, So you saw like his ability to

728
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 5: separate and to make plays the catch point, but you

729
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 5: need to have Maybe if the.

730
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 4: Tackling is not yeah, up to snuff, he's going to

731
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 4: make you pay.

732
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 5: But if guys are out there it can move and

733
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 5: have the physical capacity. He's not breaking tackles to the

734
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 5: extent that you'd want, Like, Okay, this is our this

735
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 5: is our Deebo.

736
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 4: Samuel, which like nobody should do that anymore. Stop doing that.

737
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 4: But like if you think.

738
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: But he is that he is that guy in this

739
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: class if those guys out more lately, maybe that's.

740
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: What he's But he's so much better against man covers

741
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 3: than a guy like Deebo Samuel. That's what That's where

742
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 3: I get. I come down with him that I think

743
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 3: there is more to his game. There's room to grow there.

744
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 3: And like I mean, like he could use him like

745
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 3: Rashi Rice is used with the Kansas City Chiefs. So

746
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 3: if you don't like Luther Burton's usage, I better not

747
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 3: hear he's saying, like Rashie Rice is one of the

748
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 3: best young receivers.

749
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: In the league.

750
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 3: Like I just I think you can use him in

751
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 3: that way and you can develop more from that.

752
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: See maybe it's maybe it's just the time in like

753
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: the NFL evolution that we're doing this show that I'm

754
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: just like less into these guys now than I would

755
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: have been. Like to me if he was going to

756
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: be a Chiefs receiver, he feels more like Canarius Tony.

757
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: But I'm I want to go back and watch guy.

758
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: I don't feel like I watched enough.

759
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: Of all these guys, and sometimes it's the games that

760
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: that you catch them, and I did try to go

761
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: back to to the older ones. I mean, he's a

762
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: he's a really exciting player. I think he's one where

763
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: fit is gonna matter even more than most. I think

764
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: that's true of Noel though as well. So it's interesting

765
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: that you put him on your list this high.

766
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 2: Jalen Noel.

767
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: So he's five ten, one ninety four, very interesting profile,

768
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: fast forty, but was more of like a vertical slot guy.

769
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: And so that's the type of role I think he

770
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: would have in the NFL. The trick is, to me,

771
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: kind of going back to what I said with Burden two,

772
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: is like how many teams know how to use that?

773
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: How many of those guys really are there? You kind

774
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: of need to do a lot of things. Do you

775
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: think he can.

776
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: Do a lot of things Jalen Noel, Oh.

777
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, like this is my type of receipt. Okay, From

778
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 3: a reception perception standpoint, he's very similar to like Lad

779
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 3: McConkey last year from a man coverage standpoint. From like

780
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 3: more of a full profile standpoint, I actually think he

781
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 3: compares pretty well to Josh Downs, who, like I mean,

782
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 3: Josh Downs would be a much more productive player if

783
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 3: he wasn't playing in that Colts offense because I think

784
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 3: he can give you a lot of that like downfield stuff.

785
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 3: You saw that with Drake May at UNC. So yeah, Noel,

786
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 3: I agree with you. More of like a vertical slot receiver,

787
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 3: which that's what I want out of my slot, Like

788
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 3: I don't want them to just be that pop gun

789
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 3: slot receiver. Kristen Kirk is a comp here's Christian Kirkson.

790
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 3: Like again, in that same I think family of players

791
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 3: as well. And I mean I think Kirk he got

792
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 3: a lot of you know, grief for the contract that

793
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 3: he signed, but he was a really useful player for

794
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 3: Jacksonville for a while. So I just this is the

795
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 3: type of player that I think gets pushed down because

796
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 3: they don't fit like traditional positional you know, size and

797
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 3: kind of deployment. But you get them in an NFL

798
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 3: receiver room, and whether they're the two or the three

799
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 3: or whatever, they're just a really really useful player.

800
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: You got to find the right the right fit. He

801
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: he does feel unless he but you're saying he can

802
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: do more.

803
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: And I like that. I want to go back and

804
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: watch a little Jalen Noel more.

805
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 5: My question with Noel is why Noel before Higgins?

806
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 2: Okay?

807
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and that can be a transition to your

808
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: next group, which I assume Jaden Higgins his teammate. They

809
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: complimented each other very well, I thought at Iowa State,

810
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: but you have Higgins lower, give me your next tier

811
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: and then and then yeah, let us know why why Lower?

812
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're like now in the squarely day two zone,

813
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 3: which I'm not like, Higgins is not next on my

814
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 3: list here. I've got guys like Jack Besh, Kyle Williams,

815
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 3: Trey Harris. Uh So you hate I don't. I mean,

816
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 3: I don't hate Jaden Higgins, but like I am a

817
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 3: little confused why everybody's a lot higher on Jaden Higgins

818
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 3: than some of these other guys, because like he just

819
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 3: doesn't separate enough to me, Like like that, that's that's

820
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 3: the problem here, especially against like pressman coverage. So to me,

821
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 3: I don't think he profiles as an NFL X receiver

822
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 3: like teams are talking about, like Greg where where the

823
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 3: league is going, Like teams are moving away from this

824
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 3: non separation, you know, big X receiver like what people

825
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 3: think McMillan is. I think Higgins actually is now that's

826
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 3: not useless in the NFL. And by the way, like

827
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 3: I felt very similar a lot of the parts of

828
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 3: Jaden higgins rofile in terms of him being like a

829
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 3: below average press man coverage success rate player, very similar

830
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 3: to like Keon Coleman last year. I did this whole

831
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 3: breakdown on YouTube about it, where like these guys that

832
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 3: are sub thirty fifth percentile and press and man coverage

833
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 3: and reception perception, all the prospects that were that way

834
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 3: that have gone on to be successes in the NFL.

835
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 3: They've transitioned from outside receivers to big slot receivers in

836
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 3: the NFL. Jujus ms Schuster I mentioned Rashid Rice. I'm

837
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 3: on Rossaint Brown was this guy, So like there's a

838
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 3: path for Higgins, but he is very much one of

839
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 3: these guys like tell me what team he's playing for, Like,

840
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 3: tell me how this coaching staff is using him, because

841
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: I think if he has used the right way, then

842
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 3: I think, like, okay, he could be in that's in

843
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 3: that like archetype of player where he's this jumbo slot

844
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 3: receiver who's really good against zone coverage, who catches everything

845
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 3: not he's got like an alligator arm thing, and like

846
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 3: kind of that ninety degree angle and contested situations like

847
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 3: let's use that whole wingspan, Let's stretch those.

848
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 2: Short though I feel like they're no.

849
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: The one with a massive wingspan is the one that

850
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: the arms are short, which is uh, which is a

851
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: tough one. I liked him less the more I watched him.

852
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: I liked him a lot right away, and then he

853
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: felt like the same experience. He felt like it was

854
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,439
Speaker 1: kind of inconsistent, which is which you don't want because

855
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: I don't. And this is where I probably disagree on

856
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: Burden to consensus was I didn't think his his skills Higgins,

857
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: that is, we're special enough to kind of make up

858
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: for it. And I actually kind of felt that with

859
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: Burden too. I thought to be that type of player,

860
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: you have to really snap, you have to be really

861
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: special and I didn't. I didn't quite get there for him.

862
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of with you on Higgins that I

863
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: think he's an NFL player, but I don't think in

864
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: the end I came like as high on him.

865
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the it's tough again. The traits right too.

866
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 5: I can't run away from those when those are those

867
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 5: are something when you've got the the wingspan right. And

868
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 5: I understand and Matt, that's absolutely right about the criticism

869
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 5: of up at the cap, at the catch point, where

870
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 5: that's a place where if you're trying to separate him

871
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 5: and McMillan like that, there's a notable difference there. But

872
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 5: just to have that explosive in this and if you

873
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 5: want to like watch that that Houston game, I saw

874
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 5: him making guys miss at that at that height and weight.

875
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: Where it's exciting.

876
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 5: It gets me, It gets me excited and thinks, well,

877
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 5: the ceiling is there, and again you're trying to hit

878
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 5: these home runs and they there were multiple teams that

879
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 5: literally had no answer for him.

880
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 2: That's fair.

881
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: That's why I think it was all like some games

882
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: were good and then some games just didn't seem like

883
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: he had a great feel that's that's probably what I

884
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: value the most. I mean, it's all about how you

885
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: were raised as a as a as a fan or

886
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: a wanna be draftnick. I go back to, like I

887
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 1: always like like the Kiri Colbert and Mark Clayton types,

888
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: the real receivers, receivers that maybe kind of like in

889
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: a book or golden who you feel like you know

890
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,439
Speaker 1: what you're getting and they really can run the routes

891
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: and they can snap off and they can do everything.

892
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: But my other type, and there is one in this class,

893
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: and we already talked about him on my last show,

894
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: so I'm not going to repeat myself, but my guy

895
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: in this class to try to hit a home run

896
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: is definitely Kyle Williams. And to me, if you told

897
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: me he's your third or fourth receiver in this class,

898
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: I get it. Like I would be fine taking him

899
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 1: personally in the first round because I see it all.

900
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 2: I love it.

901
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: I love these some Kyle Williams. Why why don't you

902
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: love him quite as much as me? Matt Harmon, I mean,

903
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: I don't know.

904
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 3: He's pretty highly ranked for me, and again I think

905
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 3: he's a guy that is I would put him in

906
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 3: a tier ahead of even Jayden Higgins. I mean he's

907
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 3: kind of like the middle, like a sort of a

908
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 3: no man's land between, Like you're not quite like a

909
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 3: round one guy, but you're not like a clear.

910
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: Why okay, why is any around one guy?

911
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: Because he is a guy I kept watching and being like, Yeah,

912
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: what am I missing? Because he's got he's got so

913
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: many dogs in him, All of the dogs are in him.

914
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 3: He's can I can I be vulnerable here? In terms

915
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 3: of why is he not a round one guy? Part

916
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 3: of this is because I think he's the type of

917
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 3: receiver I've fallen for, like way too hard in the past,

918
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 3: where he's like a smaller separator who does win at

919
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 3: all three levels, but because of the size in the frame,

920
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 3: like how many quarterbacks really want to take that throw?

921
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 3: Like maybe there's a little bit of like Elijah Moore

922
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 3: scarring here, honestly, because I think he's of a say

923
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 3: Andy Isabella, No, he's I don't know about it. Don't

924
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 3: don't put me into Andy Isabella fan club here, but no,

925
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 3: I think I think with Kyle Williams, he does come

926
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 3: from a lower level. That's part of it too, you know,

927
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 3: he's not quite like these guys that have only lined

928
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 3: up on one side of the field at one outside

929
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 3: receiver position, like seventy plus percent of their snaps in

930
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 3: reception perception. It's actually like a long list of red

931
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 3: flags there. He's not quite in that bucket, so he

932
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 3: does miss that for me, but it was pretty close.

933
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 3: I think he's just a guy that can play all

934
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 3: three receiver positions. He can make plays after the catch,

935
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 3: he beats man coverage. So yeah, it's it's hard to

936
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 3: find a lot of flaws.

937
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: I don't see. I don't see the flaws. Yes, he's

938
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: not he doesn't have the size or whatever. But if

939
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: you're if I needed to pick one player from this

940
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: class that that would like make Pro Bowls that has

941
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: a you know, I think that that isn't gonna get

942
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: taken in these tops. I don't really seem that far

943
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: apart from from t mac or Golden. To me, he's

944
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: right there for me personally, because I just I don't

945
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: know man and uh I like to celebrate like he

946
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: just he just seems like an NFL player to me.

947
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: I just h he seems like a like receiver. Smart

948
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: is the word I would use, where he knows how

949
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: to do everything and he's super explosive, like he's a

950
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: home run hitter and he can hit some doubles too.

951
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 2: I don't know little Washington State Kyle Williams for go.

952
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: Koog's like, to me, he's not that different than Jamison

953
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: Williams as a prospect who I probably overrated too.

954
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm like you. Maybe I'm like, okay, maybe that's

955
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: too much, too much.

956
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 3: He don't seem like out running the No, he didn't

957
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 3: test that.

958
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 2: Well, he's not.

959
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 1: He doesn't have the the like just pure home run

960
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: speed like that, but he's got enough of it to me.

961
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 5: The the explosion in the separation like to put him

962
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 5: in that category, I just I didn't see it to

963
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,959
Speaker 5: the extent where I watched a little little Williams and then.

964
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,959
Speaker 4: I'm like, wait, let's let's go on to somebody else.

965
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 3: Oh, how dare what a hater?

966
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 2: I'm not.

967
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to hate.

968
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 5: Let's celebrating the explosion of other guys because I am

969
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 5: biased towards that.

970
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: Okay, So that that's Harmon's big group there. We got

971
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: to get to the tight ends before we before we

972
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: wrap up, so we will. Unless you just have something

973
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: that you're dying to say about that group of wide

974
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: receivers that Matt Harmon just feels like passionately about and.

975
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:42,319
Speaker 3: To get you I love Yeah, I love Jack Pash Dude.

976
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 3: The guys he's a really good player, gets open, catches

977
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 3: everything he's really he's talking about, sneaks up on you

978
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 3: have to catch, Like, he really breaks a lot of

979
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 3: tackles in the open field. Maybe a guy that needs

980
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 3: to play in the slot because he certainly like I mean,

981
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 3: he's like nine route success rate his corner route success rate.

982
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 3: They just flat out stink like he doesn't get open down.

983
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: The field a little going to the end.

984
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 3: I mean, but I guess when you're open everywhere else, Like,

985
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 3: just find the right deployment for this player. I think

986
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: he just makes a lot of sense with a team

987
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 3: like Jacksonville that you know, you got Liam Cohen there

988
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 3: you're coming from, like that RAMS organization. From the front

989
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 3: office perspective, They've just made such good use of this

990
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 3: type of receiver, Like why can't he just be in

991
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 3: the role that Chris Godwin was in for Liam Cohen

992
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 3: last year? I think that just makes so much sense.

993
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 2: I don't think he has the juice personally.

994
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, since we're going to talk tight end, Yeah,

995
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 5: at two hundred and eighteen pounds, Yeah, could he fulfill

996
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 5: the receiving role that like Evan Ingram and I understand

997
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 5: it was a different.

998
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 3: Kind of has. Yeah, there's times in his career, yeah

999
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: he has.

1000
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 2: Or like not I was going to see zach Ertz

1001
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: or something.

1002
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: I just I do worry about him that there's not

1003
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 1: a lot of team I think he has a very

1004
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: specific skill set, and I think we've seen guys like

1005
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 1: him to me in terms of that snap and that

1006
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: I do worry about him open against NFL players, But

1007
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: we'll see there's a lot of smarter people than me,

1008
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,479
Speaker 1: including you and Jeremiah love them, and so I hope

1009
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: I'm wrong being a little more down on him.

1010
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 2: Let's talk about the tight ends.

1011
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 5: So many times where a guy goes to mobile and

1012
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 5: has that week where it's like it feels obvious, and

1013
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 5: then in hindsight we look back and like, oh, yeah,

1014
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 5: we should have known after what he did to all

1015
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 5: those dudes.

1016
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 2: Obvious in a positive way.

1017
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like why why weren't we on board sooner?

1018
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: Well that's interesting because I would say Kyle Williams and

1019
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: Besch maybe helped themselves as much as anyone. So they're

1020
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: they're there are two guys that were down in Mobile

1021
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: and yeah, as they say, that's that's where the NFL

1022
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 1: Draft starts. Let's take one more break and then we'll

1023
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: wrap up with the tight ends. Back on NFL Daily,

1024
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: wrapping up with the tight ends, and this is just

1025
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: gonna be vibes harmon harmon. For some reason, it doesn't

1026
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: do tight ends.

1027
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 2: And reception perception. I mean, they are receivers, Okay. Can

1028
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 2: I tell you why take too long?

1029
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 4: Wow?

1030
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 3: I mean you you spoiled it there.

1031
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 4: I was going to give you. I was going to

1032
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 4: give you.

1033
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 3: I was going to give you the dork reason, which

1034
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 3: is okay. You know I've been charting receivers now for

1035
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 3: twelve years. I've been doing reception perception. So like, okay,

1036
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 3: I can tell you this player has you know, is

1037
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,919
Speaker 3: this percentile versus man coverage? Like this is the type

1038
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 3: of role, the type of offense, everything he could play in.

1039
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: You can compare really good years. That's really cool. I

1040
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:25,359
Speaker 2: like that.

1041
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1042
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 3: I mean, for you've got guys in the database that

1043
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 3: have been there, there through there their entire career, like

1044
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 3: Mike Evans his entire career is in the reception perception database.

1045
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 3: You know, we start over with tight ends. We're going

1046
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 3: back to square one.

1047
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 2: I don't know what's right about How old are you, Harmon?

1048
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 2: You're still a young man. How old are you? Well?

1049
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 3: And I'm thirty three.

1050
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: I'll be thirty four this year to be in this business.

1051
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 3: This leads me to my second point of why I'm

1052
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 3: not going to do it, which is I'm a happily

1053
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 3: married man. I'm trying to say, happily married man, Buddy,

1054
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 3: I got enough receivers to do. You know, the requests

1055
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 3: that come in in the reception perception discord. It's like, hey,

1056
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 3: chart Ricky White, out of un there's too many receivers.

1057
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 3: I got enough on my plate.

1058
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 2: Okay.

1059
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: But this is where you know I would never had

1060
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: a chance to work exactly with you. We were both

1061
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: at NFL Media at the same time, and it was

1062
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 1: what a star. Harmon was a shooting star, and they

1063
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 1: they messed up letting letting Harmon go from the fantasy department.

1064
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: But you know, he had a great opportunity. But if

1065
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: I was going to give you advice sort of in

1066
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: a boss role here, I would say like well, forget

1067
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: Ricky White. You know, Tyler Warren and Colston Lovelin, these

1068
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: top guys, they're more box office then your fourth to

1069
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: seventh round receivers. So maybe just don't do receiver twenty

1070
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: threes through sixty and just do like the stars of

1071
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: the tight ends, and that would be good for just

1072
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: people's interests.

1073
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 2: People would pay for that, That's what I'm saying.

1074
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 3: It sounds like, Greg, you want to do the tight

1075
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 3: end now.

1076
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: Potentially I like bringing you back to more our level,

1077
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: which is we're not just doing our vibes. We watched

1078
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: these guys, but we're not breaking it down like Harmon does.

1079
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: I do think you should wait Harmon's opinions. No offense,

1080
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: Patrick more than ours, none previous conversation, but this one

1081
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: we're on equal footing. So do you like I'm going

1082
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: to start with Patrick then, because it feels like there's

1083
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: a big two. It feels like there's a big four

1084
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: at tight end this year, but really the two guys

1085
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: Colston Lovelin and Tyler Warren, who Jeremiah again has in

1086
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: the top I think ten of his overall players. I'm

1087
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm not sure where Loveland landed there. They feel like

1088
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: the Big Two. Do you have a favorite between those two?

1089
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 4: Yes, I have a Big two, but it's one of

1090
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 4: those is not in it?

1091
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 2: Okay.

1092
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 5: Tyler Warren is such a mechanized destroyer of worlds that

1093
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 5: does so many different things.

1094
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 4: He has to be the te one.

1095
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 5: The explosion is quantified by the tight end, by the

1096
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 5: combine work leaps off the screen, so he's my te one.

1097
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 5: Harold Fannon Junior, my fury, though, is one of my

1098
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 5: favorite players in this draft. The production is off the charts.

1099
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 5: I have beef with our production score from NGS, which

1100
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 5: somehow has one as as more productive than Harold fan

1101
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 5: and Junior, who literally had more catches at tight end

1102
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 5: than anybody in the history of college football last year.

1103
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 5: He is twenty years old. Shout out to Michael Florio.

1104
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 5: I'm keeping track of ages here where he will be

1105
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 5: twenty one coming up in July, so he's a full

1106
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 5: year younger than Colston Loveland. He ran that four to

1107
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 5: seven in Indy, Okay also four to seven and Indie

1108
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 5: Keenan Allen. Right, when somebody does things so differently in

1109
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 5: a different way and they still produce, I think that's

1110
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 5: unique and unique.

1111
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 4: Talent is what you want. I am a Harold fan

1112
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 4: and junior guy.

1113
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 1: I love I love that because you know, going way

1114
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: back to the combine when we talked with Nate Tice,

1115
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: he is as well and just thinks he's such a

1116
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: unique player. And actually think bucketing those two guys Matt

1117
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: makes sense because I sort of don't know fully what

1118
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 1: to do with him, and I'm with Patrick in the

1119
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: set that I actually would feel more comfortable probably going

1120
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: drafting Fannin ahead of his consensus. Then I would which

1121
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: will probably be what second round, if you really want

1122
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: to make sure you get Harold Fannin, then I would

1123
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: bet in the farm on a top ten pick for

1124
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: Tyler Warren, just because I'm just not sure he's so

1125
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: unique that I'm just not sure he is. He special

1126
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: enough to be like almost different than any tight end

1127
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,919
Speaker 1: out there where he is not to give the Debo

1128
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: comparison again, but he's like tight end Debo, you know,

1129
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: it's like just this guy you got to get the

1130
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 1: ball to that's got to run people over and just

1131
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: destroy you.

1132
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my thing with Tyler Warren is I do

1133
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 3: think he's very similar to some of the receivers we

1134
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 3: talked about where it's like what team and like what

1135
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator is he playing for, because I think he's

1136
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 3: kind of gotten a reputation as he's just a traditional

1137
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 3: inline tight end who's really good as a blocker. But

1138
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 3: like I think that's just because he plays in the

1139
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 3: Big ten and like he's like a tough guy, you know,

1140
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 3: because I think he's more of like a singular design

1141
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 3: touches type of player. Like the positive side of that

1142
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 3: is that, like the Raiders did a lot of work

1143
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 3: to design things for Brock Bowers last year. Which I'm

1144
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 3: not saying this to take anything away from Bowers just

1145
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 3: because they didn't have anybody else to throw the football

1146
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 3: care you know, I mean, but I just I'm not again,

1147
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 3: I'm not taking anything away from Bowers, but like when

1148
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 3: a tight end is that much farther the most productive

1149
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 3: player on your team, like most concepts in a playbook

1150
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 3: don't like run through the tight end, So I think

1151
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 3: you just have to take that like extra work to

1152
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 3: make him Tyler Warren that is, depending on where he goes,

1153
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 3: Like the production is worth the squeeze that you're putting

1154
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 3: into it there, But if he lands with the team,

1155
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, like a like a Ben Johnson, right,

1156
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 3: Like I mean, I think he could really find ways

1157
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 3: to use him because he's not too dissimilar to Sam Laporta,

1158
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 3: who I think is another guy that kind of because

1159
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 3: he comes out of Iowa, he gets this reputation is

1160
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 3: like a rugged tight end. But you've really had that.

1161
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 3: The Lions have had to do a lot to design

1162
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 3: things for Sam laport and obviously it's been more than

1163
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 3: worth it for them.

1164
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: See if I was or a perception, I would be

1165
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 1: curious how he would if he was rather Tyler Warren,

1166
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: I would be curious how he would play out on

1167
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: that because he seems even more like a burden type,

1168
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: which is just kind of like, hey, run over there

1169
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: and throw it, And I do worry it's really hard

1170
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: to like evaluate football.

1171
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 2: Smarts for lack of a better word, on the field.

1172
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: But he's such a unique player and it took him

1173
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: so long to get on the field that that worries

1174
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,440
Speaker 1: me a lot. And the people I trust that I've

1175
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: asked around the league are quite low on his blocking,

1176
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,760
Speaker 1: in fact, like it might be a huge negative. Whereas

1177
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: Colston Lovelin, who's lighter and stuff, he just fits more

1178
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: what you see as a tight end, and he kind

1179
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: of fits more of a mold of a guy that like, yeah,

1180
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: he's not much of a blocker in college, but like

1181
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: we can build him up and we can teach him that,

1182
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 1: and the want to is all there, and Warren's just

1183
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: such a unique player, and his unique skill is not

1184
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: route running.

1185
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 2: It's just like watch out, here comes.

1186
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: Tyler Warren, and it's so unique and it's so awesome

1187
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:02,439
Speaker 1: that it really might work.

1188
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 2: So I'm with you.

1189
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: Like if I think the Jets are another interesting spot too,

1190
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: because they're going to be running a Lions type offense

1191
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: with their coordinator and Tanner Rankstrom. But if if you're

1192
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: asking him to just play tight.

1193
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 2: End, I'm more worried.

1194
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: And that's why I like Loveland more because to me,

1195
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 1: it's like I would take Loveland on twenty six twenty

1196
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: seven teams, and.

1197
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 2: That's where I like it. To me, he's like.

1198
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: Maybe a Laporta plus even where like I can see

1199
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: the I can see the receiver skills. I think he's

1200
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: gonna step into the league and be a nice tight

1201
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 1: end for you right away.

1202
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 5: But I think in his usage at Penn State, he

1203
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 5: was a victim of his ability. Yeah, so where it's like, okay,

1204
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 5: well he's our wildcat quarterback, not because like we're trying

1205
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:44,280
Speaker 5: to force feed Tyler Warren, but because he's the best

1206
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 5: in the.

1207
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 2: Best athletes, best player by far.

1208
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 5: Yeah that could put in that position, and so he's

1209
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 5: going to get those volume target opportunities, not because like

1210
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,439
Speaker 5: that's how you get him the ball, but because he's

1211
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 5: he's the best player on the team to do that

1212
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 5: to where like a few years ago, like all those

1213
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 5: player would be going to like say all right, or

1214
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 5: just like any other good Pin State player, but because

1215
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 5: it was him, Like that's that's where a large volume

1216
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 5: of his opportunity came from. But then you see him

1217
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 5: when he is split out wide, when he is in

1218
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 5: the slot running a seam, like he teleports away from

1219
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 5: corners in safeties, Like the explosion is there.

1220
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 2: It picks up.

1221
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: You're right, like we didn't test at all, which is

1222
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of a worry. But uh, but he's

1223
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: he's one of two players at least in this class

1224
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: where I think, well, would Taysom Hill plus really be

1225
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,280
Speaker 1: a bad outcome. Taysom Hill is a pretty useful player.

1226
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 1: I'd be a little worried both him and Jalen Milroe,

1227
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: you know, who are very different players, and I think

1228
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: Milroe would be plus plus, but I'm like, actually, Taysom

1229
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 1: Hill plus plus would be kind of great. I just

1230
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 1: I would be a little worried about taking him, like

1231
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: in the top ten between the rest of the the

1232
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: tight ends. Harmon who stands out to you?

1233
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 2: Who do you like? Who don't you like?

1234
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Terrence Ferguson from Oregon. I think is like a

1235
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 3: classic like bet On a you know, bet On an athlete,

1236
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 3: bet On the traits and I do think he actually

1237
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 3: could end up being really, you know, really productive down

1238
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 3: the line in his career. Maybe not like right away,

1239
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 3: but that just seems like the type of tight end

1240
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 3: who hits. I think he I like his ball skills,

1241
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 3: I like just the movement skills for him. And Mason

1242
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 3: Taylor from LSU. I know a lot of people really

1243
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 3: like Mason Taylor. I do as well. He just is

1244
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 3: it seems like a good like maybe you're not hitting

1245
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 3: the A plus like outrageous high upside tight end, but

1246
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 3: something in like kind of that zach ertzish range where

1247
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 3: he just catches everything and he becomes a really good

1248
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 3: complimentary part of your passing game. I think those are

1249
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 3: the other two guys you got to kind of watch

1250
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 3: out for.

1251
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, a player that was exceedingly productive from the moment

1252
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 5: he got to LSU to where it feels safer, Like

1253
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 5: I would say, Mason Taylor to me is a safer

1254
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 5: prospect than than Loveland just in terms of that wow,

1255
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 5: as a pass catchwork, because like I know, I know

1256
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 5: blocking is important, and like, yeah, ideally these guys are

1257
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 5: going to be Gronk or George Kittle, but.

1258
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,720
Speaker 1: Like none of them are coming into NFL, really almost

1259
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: none of them.

1260
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, so like I'm evaluating them as pass catchers.

1261
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I prefer Taylor to love one to.

1262
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: Me Loveland and I did go back to watch a

1263
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: couple of the June the games before when he had

1264
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy as his quarterback, which definitely helped.

1265
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 2: I think he has a higher ceiling off the bat.

1266
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: But I'm with you that in this class where so

1267
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 1: much feels uncertain, if I'm comparing Mason Taylor to some

1268
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,919
Speaker 1: of these like DL five guys, who it's just like, man,

1269
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: it feels like there's a fifty percent chance they're going

1270
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: to be total bus. Taylor feels like a first round prospect.

1271
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 1: To me, he feels very much like the tight end Agbuka,

1272
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: where he's he's gonna be good and me and if

1273
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: the outcome really is Ertz or like closer to Goddard,

1274
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: I mean that's even better than that. I mean, if

1275
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: doubt if you put Goddard back in the draft, like

1276
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: he's going top twenty, like cause you can lock in

1277
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,479
Speaker 1: like a plus if you can lock in a plus

1278
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 1: starter at any position, especially to And I like them

1279
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: a lot too. And there's really different opinions on Arroyo

1280
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,280
Speaker 1: because that type of player has busted a lot lately,

1281
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:12,760
Speaker 1: which is like the big like receiver essentially, and yet

1282
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,760
Speaker 1: I'm into him. I don't have them too far behind Taylor.

1283
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: I like these tight ends. I would not I would

1284
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: not mind taking these tight ends again ahead of like

1285
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: those two guys, ahead of wide receiver five six seven

1286
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: for me, like I have Kyle Williams up with Golden

1287
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: and stuff. But after that, I think Arroyo is a

1288
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: really good pass catcher and I'm into it.

1289
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 5: I would just like when you're playing with a quarterback

1290
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 5: that's going to go number one overall and you only

1291
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 5: miss one game the thirty five. I'm gonna need more

1292
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,439
Speaker 5: production out of him to leave frog these guys.

1293
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 4: Sorry, Matt, what are you going to say?

1294
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 3: No, you're good man. I just think it's a really

1295
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 3: interesting tight end class as well, and like, get these

1296
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 3: get these guys in the room, maybe develop a few

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Speaker 3: of them. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a

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Speaker 3: to those those wide receivers here and maybe they end

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Speaker 1: And the crazy thing is there are wide receivers and

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Speaker 1: probably a tight end or two that we just didn't

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Speaker 1: even talk about, and that they're they're not only going

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Speaker 1: to be starting within a year or two. They they

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Speaker 1: will be like impact, big time players. And it's just

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Speaker 1: we don't have all the time in the world. But

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Speaker 1: it was great to talk to you, Matt Harmon. Here's

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Speaker 1: what we're going to do. I'm making a I mean

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Speaker 1: it's more of a threat than a promise, because yeah, newsflash,

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Speaker 1: not everyone like loves going on other people's podcasts. It's

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Speaker 1: ultimately like other it's more work and I'm going to

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Speaker 1: try to get you to do more work. And it's

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Speaker 1: going to be a podcast that's not just about wide receivers.

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Speaker 4: Next time there.

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Speaker 3: Is all right, I will take you up on that

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Speaker 3: and we'll see. I might just end up sneaking in

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Speaker 3: wide receiver talk anyway. I mean, we know, it's not

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Speaker 3: like we can't talk about it. Maybe it'll be like

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Speaker 3: workout tips. We're deep into the eye. We can talk.

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Speaker 3: We can talk about that, we can talk about you know,

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Speaker 3: egg quality, all kinds of things, man. So it was good.

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Speaker 3: It was good to see you both. I'm gonna be

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Speaker 3: out in LA next week for our Yahoo Sports Live

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Speaker 3: Draft show, so I hope to see you both.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I would normally say like we should get you in here,

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Speaker 1: but you're gonna be busy, so everyone check them out

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Speaker 1: at Yahoo. We're gonna be here in the studio on

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Speaker 1: Draft night. By the way, Patrick, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I've mentioned that I have to use shout out to that. No,

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Speaker 1: we've talked about it to the listeners. That's it for

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Speaker 1: today's show. We are back. So this is actually gonna

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Speaker 1: be the last NFL Daily you hear for a few

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Speaker 1: days because we have a forties and free Agents with

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jeremiah that's going to drop on Thursday. Then We're

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Speaker 1: back with another forties and free agents. That's going to

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Speaker 1: go Monday morning, and then we're off every single day

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Speaker 1: next week to cover the NFL Draft And yeah when

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Speaker 1: when Matt Harmon's lugging around that gallon water bottle, Football's back.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we oh wait, do that again?

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Speaker 2: I sicked up