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Speaker 1: I t E dot com. All rightybody, welcome to the

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Speaker 1: white Tail Week episode. It's like Shark Week, but better,

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Speaker 1: even more dangerous. Uh and they see you. I think

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Speaker 1: I'm throwing out stray superlatives here, but this is the

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Speaker 1: honest truth. The best archer in the whole wide world

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Speaker 1: is here, not like not like when you have a

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Speaker 1: guy on he got like the biggest buck, but in America,

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Speaker 1: not like that. It's like the best archers here, Levi Morgan.

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Speaker 2: I guess so well.

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Speaker 1: It's not even a debatable point right now.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it depends on who you ask. If you

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Speaker 2: ask some of my competitors, they'd probably argue that, but

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Speaker 2: but you beat them sometimes.

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Speaker 1: Listen. It's just we're just gonna run with this. It's

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Speaker 1: the best impounding the table, the best archer in the

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Speaker 1: world is here. Who I just found out I don't

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Speaker 1: know till this morning that Levi Morgan's wife is a

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Speaker 1: competitive archer and they shot. They played against each other

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Speaker 2: No, she wouldn't. I even called one of the organizations

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Speaker 2: and like tried to get her number, and they wouldn't

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Speaker 2: give it to me. So then, uh, but when I

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Speaker 2: when I I quit in high school and when I

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Speaker 2: came back in two thousand and six, she was the

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Speaker 2: reigning women's pro World champion at the time. What mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: So then we started dating after that, But then you

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Speaker 2: finally won her heart finally. Uh, she's still in it now.

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Speaker 2: She was we started. She competed until about four years

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Speaker 1: God, and then she just kind of things got a

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Speaker 2: She just wanted to be mom.

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Speaker 1: So you guys got four kids, four Yeah, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: dig it into all that. We're gonna dig into what

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Speaker 1: it takes to be the best archer in the world.

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Speaker 1: And also the thing I'm interested is how that translates

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Speaker 1: to hitting white tails.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's probably a big difference. There's a big, big difference.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I've heard you talk about. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about that also, Nick Pinazota, am I saying this right? Penizada?

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Speaker 1: That's Italian? Italian? Yes, good, we're brothers from the National

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Speaker 1: Deer Association, who you guys have heard us talk about

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Speaker 1: handful of times. He's also here. He's gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: an upcoming film that his organization did with various state

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Speaker 1: wildlife agencies about white tail deer. White tail deer Management

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Speaker 1: hit us with a couple points about that film.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's nothing like this has ever really been done.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people take whitetail deer and deer hunting

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Speaker 3: for granted, and the reality is there are a lot

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Speaker 3: money that deer generate for all species conservation, even threatening

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Speaker 3: endangered species, it's huge. The eight out of ten people

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so when you add turkey, elk, you know, another species,

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Speaker 3: it's still not half a white tail. So yeah, the

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Speaker 3: film seeks to get this in front of people. Deer hunters,

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Speaker 1: Now, you know Jim half a Finger.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we just spend some time with him in Calgary

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Speaker 1: Yep, he's going to write a thing about him. I'm in.

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Speaker 1: Uh Dirk and Pat Dirk and the white Tail writer

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Speaker 3: My wife just that's how he likes it A hard

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Speaker 1: So yes, and you got to put the hyphen in there.

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Speaker 1: Live Tour, I'm pitching. I'll just pitching uh Levitt Morgan

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Speaker 4: I just uh, just as of this morning, chatted with Katie.

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Speaker 4: You confirmed and I confirmed.

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Speaker 1: So our live tour has mainly become a Chester concert.

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Speaker 1: I already the minute Chester when I found out that

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Speaker 1: Hunter Spencer, because I want him to make a Chester

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Speaker 1: concert t shirt like the old style that has the

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Speaker 1: You gotta get we need it. Can you take a

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Speaker 5: Badass, be emblazoned on the side of the tour bus.

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Speaker 1: If he can have do you have your guitar? If

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Speaker 1: Chester. So December sixth to seventeen is the live show

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Speaker 1: This is the most messed up list I've ever seen

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Speaker 5: I put et cetera?

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Speaker 1: Come on, this is like I supposed to announce a

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Speaker 1: tour with et cetera. This is only eight. You quit

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Speaker 6: You can find all of these on the me dot com.

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Speaker 4: Right now, we've got Denver in the Mission ball room.

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Speaker 1: Great, this is what I'm talking Gotchester.

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Speaker 4: Sixth, December ninth at the Capitol Theater in Davenport. Okay,

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Speaker 4: Then Kalamazoo December tenth State Theater at the Kalamazoo State Theater.

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Speaker 1: We did State Theater before, and I've been there and

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Speaker 1: as I told the story many times, I've been there

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Speaker 1: before and I saw I think he's passed away. This

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Speaker 1: would be a good person for dead or Alive. Dylan

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Speaker 1: I saw Bob Dylan there at the State Theater WOW

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Speaker 1: a long time ago, and then we did a we

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Speaker 1: Of if I had more time, I tell you a

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Speaker 4: Go on December eleventh, Detroit at the Royal Oak Music

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Speaker 4: Theater in Michigan. There and then we've got Cleveland on

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Speaker 4: December thirteenth.

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Speaker 1: You know who's going to join us for the Cleveland show.

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Speaker 1: I'm lining up like local guests. That's why I'm pitching

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Speaker 1: Levi Morgan on it for the ones you haven't got

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Speaker 4: I think I've got a guess, A good guess who

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Speaker 4: we got weights and fish the Walleye got.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, ye, I'm gonna I might bring him his own

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Speaker 4: That'd be awesome.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Murphy, World's greatest small game hunter. He wants he

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Speaker 1: wants to throw in on Cleveland, so he'll be on

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Speaker 1: Fourteenth, what's Cleveland? What day is Cleveland? Chess has got

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Speaker 1: He's gonna tell us just how tender a white tail

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Speaker 4: We're going to tell you that's Cleveland is December thirteenth

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Speaker 4: December fourteenth.

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Speaker 1: And that is there's no there's no day to walleye

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Speaker 1: fish gotcha. We'd have to get up early in the

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Speaker 4: December fourteenth, we're in one Hall, Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: That's the Greater Philadelphia area. No, the Greater Pittsburgh are

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Speaker 1: that's the Greater Pittsburgh area. Mess that up every time,

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Speaker 1: to do the Whiplash Bash and we used to like

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Speaker 1: I well, I went to the Whiplash Bash one time

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Speaker 1: with my late friend Eric Kern, and Uncle Ted threw

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Speaker 1: a bunch of jerky out into the crowd and I

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Speaker 1: and me and Eric shared it, and uh, he would

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Speaker 1: and then he goes into Ohio and gets discharging a

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Speaker 2: You're kidding me, No, but we'll see you.

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Speaker 1: But well, we'll talk about whether or not. We'll have

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Speaker 1: various audience members hold up little targets and LEVI I'll

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Speaker 1: shoot those targets. So we have to check insurance adjusters.

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Speaker 1: Or maybe Chester could do like an apple on his head.

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Speaker 1: We'll figure it out.

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Speaker 4: Keep going December fifteenth in Philadelphia at the Kenswick Theater

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Speaker 1: And when the show opens, everybody will come in. The

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Speaker 1: I have done a lot of different meats in the

438
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Speaker 1: meat tenderness tester, and Chester is going to demonstrate, Uh,

439
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Speaker 1: walk us through at Chester, what you have.

440
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 4: We've got a yearling white tail, right Karinn yep, and

441
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 4: Karinn seared this up last night, just got the pan

442
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 4: real hot, seared it on each side evenly, and we're

443
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 4: looking at it. About a rare cut, you know, hold

444
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 4: it up, yep. It's about rare and the way you

445
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 4: do it is you take We're going to take four

446
00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 4: core samples here that I board out with this here

447
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 4: a little contraption so.

448
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: If you're watching online you'll be able to see the

449
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,199
Speaker 1: core amply. If not, it's like like a core exactly.

450
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 1: It's like a little stainless steel hole cutter.

451
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 4: Yep, and I cut the meat. I cut an inch

452
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 4: off of this little piece here, and I made these

453
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 4: core samples, and I went with the grain. I cut

454
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Speaker 4: with the grains. They're all consistent and that's.

455
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Speaker 1: So it goes into the shear. To measure its tenderness,

456
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: it'll be cutting.

457
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 4: Cross grain against the grain, which is important. And this

458
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 4: thing measures in kilograms of force, which is an international

459
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 4: standard for tests and how tender meat is. So we're

460
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Speaker 4: gonna throw it in there and we're gonna do four

461
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 4: I don't know, maybe three. There's three good cores here.

462
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 4: We'll do three tests forced tests, and then we'll get

463
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 4: you know, will average these out and we'll get how

464
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 4: actual tender this meat is.

465
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Speaker 1: Got it. What's interesting about this is one of the

466
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: things we're going to cover today is a letter just

467
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 1: went out from the Michigan DNR basically begging deer hunters

468
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Speaker 1: to kill dose the dough. I can't believe this. The

469
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: dough harvest in Michigan is actually down the dough. When

470
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: I was a kid growing up Michigan, if you drew

471
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Speaker 1: a dough tag, you were so you would like apply

472
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: for dough tags and wait in the like licking your

473
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: lips hoping to get a dope tag. You know, Jeer

474
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: Bob got a dough tag and everybody really excited about it.

475
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: They cannot get so agricultural damage. You have issues of

476
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: disease transmission, you have issues of highway safety, you have

477
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: herd health issues, just general herd stress issues. And they man,

478
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: people are not shooting and they're being begged to shoot those.

479
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: I don't live there anymore, but it's like they're writing

480
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: letters being like, please, please, not that you can't shoot

481
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: a buck. Get some does too, and just I don't

482
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 1: know what the hell's everybody eating.

483
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 3: It's a national problem. Yeah, we put an article just

484
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 3: yesterday talking nationally about that issue, people not shooting enough dose.

485
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 3: We're both Levi I and both from Pennsylvania. We had

486
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 3: the same system you put in for a dough tag.

487
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 3: Maybe you got one, maybe you didn't. Now you can

488
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 3: get six, and we know that most hunters won't even

489
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 3: shoot one. And so we're seeing that trend nationally where

490
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 3: the buck harvest is actually equal to or even higher

491
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Speaker 3: than the alis harvest.

492
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Speaker 1: YEP.

493
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Speaker 3: And it's a problem.

494
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Speaker 1: I don't I don't what do you what do you

495
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: think it is.

496
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Speaker 3: I think it's a lot of things. I think you

497
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 3: have more people really prioritizing mature bucks, which is, you know,

498
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 3: good from the recreational end of things. But what happens

499
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 3: is they're they're sitting there making a judgment, Well, I'd

500
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 3: really like to fill this dough tag. But if I

501
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 3: shoot that dough is Buckham after right behind her? Am

502
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 3: I going to ruin that?

503
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 1: Ye?

504
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 3: And then they say things like, well, I'm gonna do

505
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 3: it in the late season. Well, then the late season

506
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 3: comes and everybody's burned out and nobody does it.

507
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: But my friends are serious about Like friends of mine

508
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: that are serious about land management on their properties, they

509
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 1: hunt during the rut, they hunt bucks. Later, they get

510
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 1: serious about dough killing. You know, my buddy Doug Dirnell,

511
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: they kill thirty dolls a year. I got another friend

512
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 1: they kill twenty plus dos a year off their property.

513
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: I got a friend in Texas they kill hundreds of

514
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: dolls a year off their property. But they make a

515
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: time and make it an effort, and like after the

516
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: regular hunting's done, they get busy.

517
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Speaker 3: They're educated managers, and I think it's the difference uneducated

518
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 3: managers prioritize that buck so much that they don't understand

519
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 3: that they're actually hurting their chances at a mature buck

520
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 3: by not shooting dose.

521
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 1: You know that's funny. Like this friend of mine in Texas,

522
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,959
Speaker 1: he's in an area there's no egg Okay, so it's

523
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: not it's not like a egg issue. It's not protecting

524
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 1: alfalf on corn. He's in a non egg air are

525
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 1: very rural. There's not like a highway collision issue. You

526
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,640
Speaker 1: asked those guys while they killed those they killed dose.

527
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: They like big bucks, and he's like, they try and

528
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: lower stress. They're like lowering stress, lowering over population, and

529
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: it's all about buck managing.

530
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: I think PA has just they made it so hard

531
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 2: to get dough tagged forever. You had to go to

532
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 2: the courthouse and get them and then like buy.

533
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 3: It just went away this year.

534
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, now we can finally buy dough tags over the counter.

535
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 2: So mm hmm. I got my whole, my son's whole

536
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 2: baseball team buying dough tags for the unit my farm's in.

537
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 2: I'm don't really take all the kids and just turn them.

538
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 4: That sounds like a blast, Yeah, a.

539
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 2: Good way to introduce kids donting.

540
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, man, kids, it's so excited about doos.

541
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: All right, Chester tell kay walkers through. That was an interlude.

542
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 4: So we're looking at a scale from like two to six.

543
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 4: Here on my guess on what this is gonna be five?

544
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 8: Meat?

545
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 4: Starting at five it's it's like kind of unacceptable that

546
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 4: meaning it's gonna be tough.

547
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: Well, we had that meat scientist from Purdue on Nebraska,

548
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: just from University of Nebraska. Okay, what did I say, Perdue?

549
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: What the hell's that? Sounds like that's a big egg

550
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: school University of Nebraska. That's what he was talking about.

551
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: Is when you when a customer goes and buys a

552
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: steak and they're dissatisfied with their steak because it was

553
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 1: too tough.

554
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 4: It's a what now, like a five meaning I think

555
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 4: what what that means in the kilograms of force? It's

556
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 4: like unacceptable, got it to a to a paying customer

557
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 4: or whatever.

558
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: Unacceptable beef.

559
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 4: Like A two is like holy cow, that's a that's

560
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 4: a tender piece of meat.

561
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 8: Uh.

562
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 4: Three is like you know, that's still pretty good. Four

563
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 4: is like it's starting to get tough.

564
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: Five is like god, now, so two if you're in

565
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: a place and you get a steak and you're like,

566
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: my good, that steaks tender. Could be in the two,

567
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: right if you're like, holy cola, steaks unpalatable, it's a

568
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: five where you're like getting little bits of a steak

569
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: out and put it in your napkin because you can

570
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: never get it chewed through.

571
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 4: It's like you're chewing a piece of gum. Might be

572
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 4: a five.

573
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: Okay, So Chester cut the core out and he loaded

574
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: it into the sheer force machine. Yep, and not what

575
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: happens right now?

576
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 5: It's not zeroed out.

577
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 4: Well, I've been trying to zero that thing the whole time.

578
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:26,479
Speaker 9: We're going.

579
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: You can't get it zero. There's no tear button on there.

580
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: Ter A, it's like French for zero.

581
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: It's not.

582
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: But my my scale has like, is that really French

583
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: for zero? What does that mean?

584
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 4: Yea, from this.

585
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: That's how you zero out, both on that math or well.

586
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: The fact that we can't get zero is distressing. Is

587
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: it the weight of the sheer.

588
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: It could be.

589
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 4: It could be, but they're all pretty consistent, so I

590
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 4: feel like we.

591
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 5: Could That's okay, we'll just try subtractil.

592
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: Maybe don't see me because then people won't know that

593
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: the scales that that it's off.

594
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 5: We see your labs. We're like in a very professional

595
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 5: lab set up here. Everything is accurate.

596
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: Chest got our lab. I'm sweating because I got my

597
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: lab coat down.

598
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 4: I got Krin's lab coat to the way we could

599
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 4: do this, Krinn is just write both numbers down, the

600
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 4: actual number and then subtract.

601
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 5: Yep, that sounds good.

602
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: Okay, So just so this year, when you're out there

603
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: sitting there in a in a white tail, a youngster

604
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: white tail fawn comes by and you're like, wow, if

605
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: I shoot that, I might not have a buck. Keep

606
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: this in mind, how tender is that thing that just

607
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: you let us walk past?

608
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 4: And just by cutting into this, I think it's going

609
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 4: to be acceptable, acceptable, exceptional.

610
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: He hit the button. Now it's shearing the meat.

611
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 8: Huh.

612
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 6: I've been very intrigued about this show that.

613
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 4: I think if I feel like we don't subtract it,

614
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 4: I don't know, because it's like, I don't know, what

615
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 4: do you guys think? It's like taking that measurement at

616
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 4: this Chris, We'll just do both.

617
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: What are you doing both of?

618
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 4: And we're gonna do that number and we're gonna still

619
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 4: record that, and then we're also going to subtract that

620
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 4: point three.

621
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 5: And just just for consistency's sake, maybe we do like

622
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 5: another one, Yeah, do one more.

623
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: Next time we do this, we're gonna get the meanest

624
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: old bok you've ever seen. Man run them through there, well,

625
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: like the kind of balk like eats rabbits.

626
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 5: We we have a little mini series called Test my Meat.

627
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 5: Throughout the next couple of weeks, we'll have some videos

628
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 5: on social media, on Instagram, maybe on TikTok where we

629
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 5: test what did we test gator.

630
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: Old elk old elk meat, this bend in a freezer

631
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: for a decade. Yep, we had people just sent us

632
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: all people send us all kinds of stuff to test

633
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: old bear meat, not old bear meat, tough bear meat.

634
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: We had a guy sending a bear. He's like, you

635
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 1: can't eat this bear, it's so tough, and we put

636
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: re ran that through the Warner Braxler.

637
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 8: I like this idea of getting like baselines of meats

638
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 8: because then I think we need to do like meat

639
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 8: eater test kitchen and be like, how can we take

640
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 8: this gnarly old meat and make it more tender?

641
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: Exactly? You hitting it Chester. Yeah, if you it'd be

642
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: interesting to take a piece of shoulder meat, run it

643
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: through the tender in this tester, and then slow cook

644
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: one and run it through the tech.

645
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 8: Do you like a brine, do like a marinade, do

646
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 8: like a slow smoke idea, That is some tender. This

647
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 8: is what I do in my kitchen all the time.

648
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 8: I just don't have a cool machine to test.

649
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 4: So that come out to one point seven seven of

650
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 4: force two is tender. Two is tender like real tender.

651
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: So when you're looking at that white tail fall and

652
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: walk by, he's more tender than tender.

653
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 4: He's more tender than tender or she or she based

654
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 4: on we were just talking about, so Corin hopefully.

655
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, button box, that's frowned.

656
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 4: Upon, Corin. This is a just so everyone knows. This

657
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 4: is a backstrap, right? And when did you shoot this deer?

658
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Speaker 4: And do you know how long? It's like ben in

659
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Speaker 4: your freezer?

660
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Speaker 5: I shot this deer. Uh last Let's see, it was

661
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Speaker 5: like Cole at the end of the season. I think

662
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Speaker 5: it was December.

663
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Speaker 4: December.

664
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Speaker 5: I think it was December, so it was last year.

665
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Speaker 4: It's been sitting in there not quite a year.

666
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Speaker 1: Good job, Chrin. Yeah, thanks for Sharon. All right, Maggie

667
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Speaker 1: Huddle is going to come in and since it is

668
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Speaker 1: Whitetail Week, Maggie Huddle is going to come in and

669
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Speaker 1: tell us about some highlights from whitetail content.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. So one of our most exciting things we've got

671
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Speaker 8: going on is from our firearms expert, Jordan Sillers. Because

672
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Speaker 8: we know how much everyone loves to complain about caliber battles.

673
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Speaker 8: So now we are letting all of you listeners readers interact.

674
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Speaker 6: We are doing a.

675
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Speaker 8: White Tail Week caliber battle bracket March Madness style. It

676
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 8: is October Madness, so you know, Shark Week, March Madness.

677
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 8: We're ripping everybody off here. It's gonna be great. So

678
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 8: we have a few rounds. You get to cast your

679
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 8: vote on the meat eater dot Com in the comment

680
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 8: section below the articles of what caliber you think is

681
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Speaker 8: the best whitetail cartridge and whatever caliber wins that one

682
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 8: goes onto the next round. And kind of another interesting

683
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 8: twist to this is everybody is picked around, so Clay

684
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Speaker 8: scott one, Spencer's got one, Garrett scott one, Mark scott one,

685
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Speaker 8: so we'll see who picked the best cart and the.

686
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Speaker 1: Best, the listener's choice, audience choice favorite will emerge.

687
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Speaker 4: Yes, And what's the criteria for the best. It's just

688
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Speaker 4: your personal opinion.

689
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Speaker 1: Rublic, but the highest public support.

690
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Speaker 6: Yeah, got you?

691
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Speaker 8: Like?

692
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Speaker 4: Meaning like what takes a deer down really well without

693
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Speaker 4: ruining the meat? Ruin as much meat? Like you know

694
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Speaker 4: what I'm saying.

695
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it's it's a measurement of public opinion. Correct.

696
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Speaker 8: It's also like the article itself is structured like Jordan's

697
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 8: other caliber battles, so he takes into account like the

698
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Speaker 8: availability of it, the shoot ability. I forget, there's one

699
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Speaker 8: more category in there. Gosh, I read so many of

700
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 8: these things, you think I know it by heart. So

701
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 8: people can read these things and kind of make up

702
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 8: their own mind if they don't already have an opinion.

703
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 8: And when you do go on these and comment, you

704
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 8: can just say like, oh, I think it's the three

705
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Speaker 8: eight Winchester or I think it's a six ' five

706
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Speaker 8: creed More. And you can also say why so if

707
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Speaker 8: you are very opinionated on this thing, like you can

708
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 8: let everybody know, or you can just say like, oh,

709
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Speaker 8: it's this one. So that's how you can cast your vote.

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Speaker 1: What do you predict will when Oh, it's.

711
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Speaker 8: People really like the six ' five creed More and

712
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 8: they really like to talk about it. And I feel

713
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Speaker 8: like people who like the six or five creed More

714
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Speaker 8: are very opinionated. So that's kind of where I'm leaning

715
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Speaker 8: towards because I feel like that's the most vocal gun support.

716
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Speaker 4: Group and it's pretty trendy round It's it's very trendy.

717
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Speaker 8: Does shoot Yeah, Oh it's great. My boyfriend's got one

718
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 8: and I shot it the other day. I was like,

719
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Speaker 8: did that shoot? I Like, I didn't feel it. That's

720
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Speaker 8: are you sure you want to shoot that gun?

721
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Speaker 5: Honey?

722
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Speaker 1: No? I have my kids shoot uh sig crosses with suppressors,

723
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Speaker 1: and my ten year old daughter is like she's like

724
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Speaker 1: made out of cables. She's just very thin and like tough,

725
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: but like thin, and she shoots that and just you

726
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: can just shoot, shoot and shoot shoot not getting kicked.

727
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Speaker 1: You know. She kind of laughs after she shoots because

728
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: she's like so amped up that it's going to do

729
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Speaker 1: something bad to her. And then just and then kids

730
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Speaker 1: confuse too, They confuse the they confuse the noise with kick.

731
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Speaker 1: So once you really mitigate. I also put headphones on

732
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Speaker 1: her and it's suppressed. And just because it's not so

733
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Speaker 1: overpowering the loudness, she feels like she translates that to

734
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Speaker 1: a lack of kick. You know, it's super helpful.

735
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Speaker 6: Man, that's awesome.

736
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Speaker 1: I just dread shooting my gun. Yeah, to not kid,

737
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Speaker 1: I dreaded pulling the trick.

738
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Speaker 6: Yeah, learn to flinch like that, young sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well my kids, I'm like baby, and I'm putting head

741
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Speaker 2: like all the noise protections he's got to. My son's

742
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Speaker 2: got a six five creed More two and my dad

743
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Speaker 2: was like leaning me up against a tractor tire with

744
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Speaker 2: a thirty six and.

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Speaker 1: It's good luck, you know. It's like, okay, that's why

746
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Speaker 1: I can't hear anything either.

747
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 4: So I think my first rifle was like a seven

748
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Speaker 4: mage with like no ear protection and like here you go.

749
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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I remember the first time. I remember

750
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: the first time I shot, first time I shot a shotgun.

751
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 1: Of course, it was like a sowd Off twelve gage

752
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: knocked me out of my ass and I was like, okay,

753
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Speaker 1: ready to go and to deer hunting. Like my old

754
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 1: man is Buddy Eugene or whatever, I'm remember them. I

755
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 1: got to be old enough to hunt with a gun.

756
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: I remember they filled a gallon milk jug full of water,

757
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Speaker 1: marched across Eugene's yard, set it on a fence post,

758
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Speaker 1: probably sixty yards out. If you hit that, Milt joggers like,

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Speaker 1: all right, let's go. Good enough, like ears are ringing

760
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Speaker 1: for three. Oh yeah, all right, we're gonna get into

761
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Speaker 1: We're gonna get into a film. You really gotta check

762
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Speaker 1: out wild Tail America's Wildest wild wild Tail America's wildest

763
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Speaker 1: conservation success story, Nick laid out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's we're very proud of this. It's a

765
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 3: great film. It's one aspect of a larger initiative called

766
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Speaker 3: the Southeast Deer Partnership, which is made up the fifteen

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Speaker 3: southeastern US states as part of the Association for Fish

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Speaker 3: and Wildlife Agents. So we have a lot of partners

769
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Speaker 3: on this. The company that we worked with to do

770
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Speaker 3: this is called Strategic Strategic Digital Services. Joe Clemens is

771
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Speaker 3: the executive producer. They just did not standing job. We

772
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Speaker 3: couldn't be happier about it. And the reason we did

773
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Speaker 3: this number one because it's never been done before. But

774
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Speaker 3: number two is we talked about at the beginning there

775
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Speaker 3: are so many critical things that people don't know about

776
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 3: deer other than don't hit one with my car or

777
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Speaker 3: where can I go shoot one? They don't think about

778
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Speaker 3: them a whole lot. And so a documentary of this

779
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 3: type we thought would be a really good vehicle to

780
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Speaker 3: get this in front of folks to watch it, and

781
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 3: not just hunters, like I said, but anybody that cares

782
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 3: about wildlife at all. So it's been producing this thing

783
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 3: has been fun. But now that it went from research

784
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Speaker 3: on the front end where we had to go and

785
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Speaker 3: look at the numbers, because that's something else that was

786
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Speaker 3: never done. We would talk all the time about how

787
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Speaker 3: important deer are, but we couldn't really put numbers to it,

788
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Speaker 3: and so we worked with Responsive Management to do some

789
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 3: survey work and this is again dialed in onto Southeast States.

790
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Speaker 3: Now we do have plans and have just talked about

791
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 3: broadening this out nationwide. But we found some critical things,

792
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 3: I mean, just in the Southeast, two hundred and nine

793
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 3: thousand jobs because of deer hunting, five point five billion

794
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: dollars in salaries because of deer hunting, not in the Southeast,

795
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Speaker 3: just in the Southeast, and so we want to figure

796
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Speaker 3: out what this is nationally because it's huge and as

797
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Speaker 3: I said at the outset, eight out of ten people

798
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 3: to buy a hunting license or hunting deer. Every time

799
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Speaker 3: somebody hangs up the rifle or the bow and doesn't

800
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 3: do that anymore has an impact on these numbers. Pittman

801
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 3: Robertson dollars is something that you've talked a lot about

802
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 3: on the show. So in two thousand and one, there

803
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 3: were six hundred and seventy nine million dollars that came

804
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 3: out of that fund. Through the analysis, we found out

805
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 3: about two hundred and ninety four of that is just

806
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,959
Speaker 3: from deer hunting. Now that's nationally, so it's a huge number.

807
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 3: And so this project originally was y'all give Larry Williams

808
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,320
Speaker 3: from the Fish and Wildlife Service credit it for this.

809
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 3: We had a conversation about five years ago saying, hey,

810
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 3: this is a critical issue. Nobody's talking about it. We

811
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 3: need to shed some light on this. And so he

812
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 3: went and found the resources and helped pull this together

813
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 3: and to do the research, which I said is phase one,

814
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Speaker 3: and now do the documentary wild Tale and blast this

815
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 3: out to a whole bunch of people so that they

816
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 3: can see it and get the word out about this

817
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 3: issue because again, if you're a bird watcher living in Iowa,

818
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: you should care about deer, and we think people don't

819
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 3: for the most part, so it's important.

820
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 1: I sat for interviews in the film, But then now

821
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Speaker 1: I haven't had a chance. I'm a little backed up

822
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: on film watching. I sat for interviews in the film.

823
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Speaker 1: I haven't watched the film yet, which I'm excited to

824
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 1: do and I'm gonna do it this weekend. Clay Newcombe

825
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: sits for interviews. Yep. Who else you got? I mean

826
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: you got tons of biologists.

827
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, we got funds from the states that the Southeastern

828
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: states for sure, folks from my organization. Dustin Lynch, very

829
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 3: popular country music artist, is the narrator. As you said,

830
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 3: you and Clay are in it as well, and so

831
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 3: really went out and got, you know, all the top people,

832
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 3: the top voices to talk about this issue from all

833
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 3: the different aspects. I mean, you cover a lot of

834
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 3: very interesting aspects that I know people don't think about.

835
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 3: In the film, Clay does the same thing. We have

836
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 3: the state wildlife biologist on there talking about what it

837
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 3: means to their state.

838
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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny about Clay. He's uh, he said,

839
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: he goes, I don't want to take this wrong way,

840
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: but I didn't expect it to be so good.

841
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 3: He loved it, Yeah, he told us. Yeah, he was

842
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 3: at one of the premiers. So we've been premiering this

843
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 3: thing in different places in the country. Actually be in

844
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 3: Virginia next week.

845
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

846
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're doing premiers. You know, love to do

847
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 3: one out here. Sometimes there's a possibility to do that. Yeah,

848
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 3: so we'd love to do that. But you know, when

849
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 3: as part of the research, state biologists were poled about

850
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 3: what do you feel the importance is of deer to

851
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 3: your the funding of your agency? And out of ten

852
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 3: it was eight point four. And so even though you know,

853
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 3: especially a deer biologist, I'll tell a lot of them

854
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 3: don't like the public because there's very there's no more

855
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 3: polarizing animal than deer, but they recognize that they really

856
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 3: are buttering the bread of the conservation of all species.

857
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 3: So the most of a state wildlife's budget is funded

858
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 3: through things that trace all the way back to deer

859
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 3: and deer hunting.

860
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point.

861
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I mean that's the critical thing we have

862
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 3: to have to get out there.

863
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: The film.

864
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Speaker 3: As I said, right now we're premiering, so doing that

865
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Speaker 3: across the country. But it's going to be available for

866
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 3: rent or purchase on Amazon and iTunes and Google Play

867
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,439
Speaker 3: on October twenty seventh, so that's coming up very soon.

868
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Speaker 3: But the main goal of this, it's not to sell

869
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 3: the movie as much as it is to get this

870
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Speaker 3: in front of as many eyeballs as possible so that

871
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 3: you know, I tell people in our organization, I have

872
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 3: a dream someday that somebody will join the National Deer Association.

873
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 3: It has no intention of shooting a deer yep. And

874
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 3: that may sound crazy, but if you look at Ducks Unlimited,

875
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 3: one of the things I'm that's very impressive about them

876
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 3: as people buy duck stamps and they don't even care

877
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 3: to shoot a duc, but they care about conservation. We

878
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 3: need to make that happen with deer. And you know,

879
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 3: Kip Adams is our chief conservation officer. He leads this

880
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 3: project for us, and that is we were texting about

881
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 3: this before I come out here. That's the chief concern deer,

882
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 3: our conservation, whether it be threatening endangered species all the

883
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 3: way through songbirds.

884
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: They matter.

885
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: It's important when Phil's done down there at yell, and

886
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 1: we should do maybe we could do like a screen

887
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 1: down there or something like that. I think about that, Phil.

888
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 1: How how many seats are in that place?

889
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 7: I honestly don't know. It's a couple hundred though, Oh yeah, yeah, but.

890
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: See if you guys could bring your film to this town.

891
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll do it.

892
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 3: Absolutely, We'll love to devote it. That's what we want

893
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 3: to hear.

894
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 1: A song even better?

895
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 3: Yet, were you wear the goggles.

896
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 4: And all these things. People are gonna they're gonna show

897
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 4: up expecting to watch, you know, be there for conservation,

898
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 4: and then I'm to get up there and sing a

899
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 4: song to be like, who the hell is this guy?

900
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: You need to get like a pyrotechnics package and stuff. Yeah,

901
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: I need to do something, just really get and sparks

902
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: and stuff shooting everywhere.

903
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, to Clay's point real quick that I understand why

904
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 3: he would say that, because it's even better than I thought.

905
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 1: It would be. Really, you you're guilty team, absolutely.

906
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 3: I mean it's a you know, it's a bunch of

907
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 3: redneck deer hunters and biologist putting the film together. What

908
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 3: could get wrong? LEVI, you know, but no, I mean

909
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 3: that's again where I thought Strategic Digital Services really brought

910
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 3: that professional. I mean, you watch the thing, It's as

911
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 3: good as any documentary you'll watching anything.

912
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: So I can't wait it. So, so layout again for

913
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: folks how to check it out, and so it's you

914
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: tour it. You got tour dates coming.

915
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 3: Up right now. The last one we have a scheduled

916
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 3: for the October fourth in Richmond, Virginia. Okay, We've already

917
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 3: been in Kentucky, Arkansas and Nashville, And.

918
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: So that's what you thought, is it is it, you know,

919
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: relevant to northern audiences?

920
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 3: And I think it is. We want to we want

921
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 3: to take it there. We've just had conversations in Calgary

922
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 3: about how do we now to make this the national.

923
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like northern US, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, but

924
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: it is.

925
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 3: It absolutely is relevant because the numbers, you know, they're

926
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 3: going to be a little bit different for each region.

927
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 3: But I think the main point is driven home that

928
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 3: deer really matter beyond just something you shoot or avoid

929
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 3: with your car.

930
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah. And then and then tell people again how

931
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: to go. So if they want to go see it

932
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: and not catch it live, how do they go see it? Yep?

933
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 3: So on October twenty seventh will be available on Amazon,

934
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 3: iTunes and Google Play. And if you want to see

935
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 3: information on the film, you just go to wildtalemovie dot

936
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 3: com and it'll, uh, it'll show you everything you need

937
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 3: to know to find it great.

938
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: And then tell us a little bit about National Deer

939
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: Association too, because I think that like people know, and

940
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm a support I'm a lifetime member and supportive Rocky

941
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: Mountain Out Foundation. So a lot of times hunters will

942
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: have you know, hunters want to do habitat work and

943
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 1: benefit of the things they love to hunt. So Ducks

944
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: Unlimited is primarily, you know, very hunting friendly, hunter focused organization,

945
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 1: focus on ducks. Yeah, Quail Forever, Pheasant Forever, where people

946
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 1: that love to hunt quail, love to hunt pheasants, Rocky

947
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 1: Mountain Out Foundation, people that love to hunt elk. I

948
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 1: think it's maybe less widely known that there is an

949
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,959
Speaker 1: organization that works on behalf of deer specifically, So plug

950
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: that out for folks.

951
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, So we've been terrible at promoting ourselves. Imagine that.

952
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 3: You know, we're so focused on deer and the habitat

953
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 3: part of it. We've been around for thirty five years.

954
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 3: We were originally known as the Quality Deer Management Association

955
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 3: until about three years ago when we merged with the

956
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 3: National Deer Alliance to create the National Deer Association. So yeah,

957
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 3: our mission is to ensure the future of wild deer,

958
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 3: wildlife habitat, and hunting, which should be you know, core

959
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 3: to a that was said eight out of ten people

960
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 3: by a hunting license, so a lot of people ought

961
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 3: to care about that, and we really are the only

962
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 3: organization that from a deer perspective that digs into the science.

963
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 3: So we do a lot of interpretation of the science,

964
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 3: everything from deer diseases all the way through how to

965
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 3: grow a great food plot, how to kill something, all

966
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 3: of those things. As I said yesterday, we just had

967
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 3: the article talking about doe harvest from Lindsay Thomas, Junior,

968
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 3: our chief communications officers. So it's educational, it's also entertaining.

969
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 3: But we also do a lot of policy work as well.

970
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 3: I tell people that any day of the week there's

971
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 3: probably one hundred different bills across the country that have

972
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 3: some impact on deer and deer hunting. And so we

973
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 3: have Miller, a policy guy out there doing policy work

974
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 3: in the states, in the federal governments of spending time

975
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 3: in d C. So we're a white collar or blue collar.

976
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 3: We're biologists, and you know, I'm really proud of what

977
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,959
Speaker 3: we've done. What I'm not proud of is we haven't

978
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 3: done the best job of telling people about what we've done.

979
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 3: So Wildtail will help us do that. Being on shows

980
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 3: like this, our relationship with you all, doing the tour

981
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 3: right now with Mark Kenyon and going around and looking

982
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 3: at all the conservation projects that we're working on together.

983
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 3: I think three of those projects are ours. The back

984
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 3: forty that we got through you all, we've had how's back?

985
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:05,720
Speaker 1: I was asking Mark about that recently.

986
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can't get rid of Mark. But other than that,

987
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 3: it's going great. He seems always show up there. But

988
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 3: just this year, I think we had six, six or

989
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 3: seven hunters on the first Field to Fork event that

990
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 3: we had out there this year. We're successful. Was killing deer. Yeah,

991
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 3: and we'll get back and well and we'll make six

992
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 3: or seven more people successful. So we're taking a lot

993
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 3: of deer there. We've now developed relationships with neighbors out

994
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 3: there who are letting us come on their property.

995
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 8: Yeah.

996
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 3: Because when it started, and you know, this is Michigan

997
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 3: and you've been on the property. Uh not everyone is

998
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 3: excited about this idea We're going to bring people in

999
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 3: and shoot all these deer in their neighborhood, right, But

1000
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 3: it's coming around and people were kind of embracing it.

1001
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 3: So we have used the back forty as a model

1002
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 3: for I think. I think we're doing with it what

1003
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 3: you all had hoped we would do with it. We're

1004
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 3: very proud of that.

1005
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: I always felt that the scrorel numbers are disappointing to

1006
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: me out there.

1007
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 3: I saw that episode.

1008
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: How's that coming along, you guys, Squirrel improvements? I was like,

1009
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 1: bringing in one hundred year old oak trees and planting them.

1010
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 3: We have to add that to the list. We do

1011
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 3: have a local branch out there, which is very helpful.

1012
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 3: So it's local volunteers that are managing that land. We

1013
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 3: pick on Mark, but you know, he's part of that

1014
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,879
Speaker 3: effort that helps do that, and so we we can't

1015
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 3: you know, it's hard for us to do it from

1016
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 3: the national organization, but our branch does it, and I

1017
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 3: will put on the list Squirrel habitat great.

1018
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: So you had six people get their first year, Yeah.

1019
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 3: It might have been seven. Yeah, just our first time

1020
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 3: of the year out there.

1021
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: It's fun man. Yeah, alrighty this year, this.

1022
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 3: Year, yeah, this season, early season.

1023
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: Yep, it's great and getting along with the neighbors good.

1024
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: It seems to be excellent, man, excellent. All right. But

1025
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: check out wild Tail, America's wildest conservation success story, set

1026
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: for release on October twenty seven on Amazon, iTunes and

1027
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: Google Play. So you'll go see Phil cheerm On Noah, thanks,

1028
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: and then and then race home and watch Wildtail. Do

1029
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: the dates line up for that plan that evening? That's

1030
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: a hell of a date night. Yeah.

1031
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 7: I think you can make it work. Have some coffee beforehand,

1032
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 7: it'll be fine, all.

1033
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:11,720
Speaker 1: Right, Levi Morgan, I want to dig back into oh man, Megiere,

1034
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: we gooder, we got we got more.

1035
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 8: We want to talk about oh for Whitetail Week.

1036
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, did that skip anything?

1037
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 8: I mean, We've we got a whole lot that we're

1038
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 8: going to be putting out on white Tail Week. It's

1039
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 8: worth taking a look at the meat Eater site. We've

1040
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 8: got articles from Tony Peterson and Mark Kenyon. We've got

1041
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 8: a video from Levi. We've got lots of video content. Uh.

1042
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 8: Check out the meat Eater site. Check out wired to hunt.

1043
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 8: We'll be putting out fresh white tail content more then

1044
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 8: you can consume every day.

1045
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 1: All right, perfect now, Levi Morgan, sixteen times world champion.

1046
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 1: But here's the thing I'm important is let's pick it

1047
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: back up with you and your wife. You competed against

1048
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:54,919
Speaker 1: each other at nine years of age.

1049
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. In the IBO, there's a class called the cub class,

1050
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,399
Speaker 2: and so when you're really you just all shoot kids,

1051
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 2: shoot against kids. And so probably till I was is

1052
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 2: she older than you? A year older?

1053
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: Okay?

1054
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Samantha Kleine was her name back then, and

1055
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: it was like, man, I had a huge crush on

1056
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: her there, but I dominated the cup class. That was

1057
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 2: my glory days.

1058
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 4: But I was just that part of that sixteen time.

1059
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 2: No, that's all professional since I turned professional.

1060
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:28,359
Speaker 1: But uh huh.

1061
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I was a little kid in jeans shorts

1062
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,879
Speaker 2: and knee socks and hiking boots and a polo shirt

1063
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 2: tucked in it. So she didn't like, she wasn't impressed.

1064
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: Did you say you quit for a while, Yeah, in

1065
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: high school? So what happened there? Yeah, I know you

1066
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: got into other baseball and basketball.

1067
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. So when I was I think the last tournament

1068
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 2: I shot was the IBO World Championship when I was

1069
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 2: fourteen as an amateur and won that set a world

1070
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 2: record and walked away from the sport.

1071
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: What was the world record?

1072
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 2: It was the first time that ever been cleaned, No eights,

1073
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 2: all tens through fifty air. So I never missed a

1074
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 2: ten through fifty ears, but walked away.

1075
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would just walked away like dramatically.

1076
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 5: No.

1077
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 2: No, you know, my dad was always my coach, and

1078
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 2: it was just one of those things where he always

1079
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 2: demanded if I was he was going to take me

1080
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 2: around to compete nationally, that I was going to put

1081
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 2: in the work. And it was just one of those

1082
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 2: things where I knew with high school I was starting

1083
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 2: high school, I wanted to play sports. Girls were coming

1084
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 2: into the equation.

1085
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: Ohl, Amanda, Yeah, she's out of the picture though, Samanthama.

1086
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Amanda. Amanda, Samantha Cline, Samantha A man

1087
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: is out of the picture at this point.

1088
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 2: Yes, And so I just knew I wasn't gonna be

1089
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 2: able to put into the sport what I needed to

1090
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,880
Speaker 2: compete at a high level. So I just decided, Hey,

1091
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 2: if I want to come back to it later, I

1092
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 2: will and I just focused on school and sports, and

1093
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 2: just so when I graduated, I knew like I had

1094
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 2: this desire to go back and and dig back in

1095
00:54:58,480 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 2: what was the age?

1096
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: I got two things I want to know now before

1097
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: just set this up. First off, at what age did

1098
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: you shoot your first arrow at a deer?

1099
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 2: At a deer? Would have been.

1100
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 1: Probably like just I guess, different than hitting one.

1101
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have been probably eight or nine, okay, Yeah.

1102
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 2: And where I grew up family, Oh yeah, that's that's

1103
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 2: the whole way I got into it. My dad was

1104
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 2: a big, big hunter, so he just started going to

1105
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 2: local tournaments and took me along just to get better

1106
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 2: at shooting. And we grew up in the Carolina's hunting

1107
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 2: all game lands there. So he used to tell me,

1108
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 2: you're gonna get one opportunity a year, so make it count.

1109
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 2: And it was that was the truth back then, Like

1110
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: we didn't see a lot. We would go two weeks

1111
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 2: and maybe see one or two deer.

1112
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:42,439
Speaker 1: Just hunting public ground.

1113
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, got it.

1114
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: And so that was his thing, was like don't let

1115
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: the shoot and be delimiting exactly.

1116
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you get an opportunity, to make it count.

1117
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 2: And I did not the first few years I bow hunted.

1118
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 2: But I think I killed my first deer with a

1119
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 2: bow when I was twelve on that game land, South Carolina,

1120
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 2: and it was a ten point and it.

1121
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: Was a nice buck.

1122
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 2: It was nice. Yeah, I mean for then, it couldn't

1123
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 2: have been any bigger than me.

1124
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: You know, But so were you at were you sitting

1125
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: to stand by yourself at nine years of age?

1126
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 5: Oh?

1127
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I shot with my first year with a

1128
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 2: rifle at ten and an old summit climber with a

1129
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 2: two seventy by myself.

1130
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: Caliber battle that down for caliber battle.

1131
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 2: I can't imagine turning point for.

1132
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: The two seventy. But it was just would you get

1133
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: scared being up there?

1134
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 8: No?

1135
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: When I at dark, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah,

1136
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: when I had when I was always murder this when

1137
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: I was a little kid, and I didn't start sitting

1138
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: a tree by myself in Michigan had be twelve to

1139
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: hunt with a bow. I can't remember if I started,

1140
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 1: like I started gun hunting a little bit earlier than

1141
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,440
Speaker 1: you were supposed to. Like you're supposed to be at

1142
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 1: that time, you had to be fourteen to hunt with

1143
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 1: a gun. But we'd usually get started a little earlier.

1144
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty sure this was against the rules.

1145
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just like a guess. My man just

1146
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 1: looked at it like, well, he was ahead of the

1147
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: he was ahead of the curve because in the end,

1148
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: the states did decide. Most states decide it's a family decision, right, Yeah,

1149
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: and he just made it a family decision before it

1150
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 1: was a family decision. But I remember man being in

1151
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: that tree, staying at twelve and just being fine. Yeah,

1152
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: And it'd get dark and you had to wait for

1153
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:13,440
Speaker 1: the old man to come around and you'd be like,

1154
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: what is that guy doing left rating to see that

1155
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: splash like coming through the trees.

1156
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 8: Man.

1157
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: You know, Oh, you used to scare me because I

1158
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: used to go. We had this big ravine on this farm.

1159
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: We'd hunt and you'd go down to the bottom of

1160
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: this ravine. Dude, it seemed like you were like in

1161
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: like you're like in Lewis and Clark Country you're talking about.

1162
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 2: We had two way radios, but he did. My dad

1163
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 2: wouldn't let me talk on it. It was we had

1164
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 2: this More's code thing where I had to you had

1165
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 2: to click it because he was like, you're gonna spook.

1166
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: All the deer.

1167
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: So I was like, okay, I just randomly start clicking

1168
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 2: it and hoping. He answered, but yeah, so he'd come

1169
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 2: pick you up. Yeah, but like you said, some nights

1170
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 2: it's an hour after dark. I'm up there in tears

1171
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 2: like something happened. And the rule was I couldn't get

1172
00:57:58,400 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 2: down until he got there.

1173
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: And every stump takes its turn looking like a bear exactly. Yeah.

1174
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you tough en up quick, I think.

1175
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: Oh, I think so, man, Yeah, how does the tournament work,

1176
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: like like lay out the yardages and target size and stuffing.

1177
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: It's it's consistent, right, I mean, like every tournament you

1178
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: go to, is the what do you call it the course?

1179
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,959
Speaker 1: I mean right, yeah, of course the course is the same, right.

1180
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 2: No, it's totally different.

1181
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: So they so like indoors it changes.

1182
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 2: Oh no, indoor archery is would be called feed to

1183
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 2: archery or n FAA. So that's all just the same yardage,

1184
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 2: the same face, doing the same thing every shot. It's

1185
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 2: more like turn your brain off and just repeat, okay.

1186
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: And that's like that's because that's that's what I'm trying

1187
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: to think of as differentiate what people might be familiar

1188
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 1: with with watching the Olympics for instance.

1189
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 2: Right to what you're doing. Yeah, and the Olympics is

1190
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 2: the same. But outdoors it's you know, fifty meters or

1191
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 2: seventy meters whatever it is now and they just stand

1192
00:58:57,320 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 2: there and just shoot the same yardage. So what And

1193
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 2: I shoot those organizations as well, the n FAA, and

1194
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 2: I've had success there. But what I really love is

1195
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 2: is three D and so that's the course. It's like

1196
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 2: a trail shoot almost where there's no rangefinders. Every target's

1197
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 2: a different distance. It's like hunting simulation type and.

1198
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: Get what do the yardages want up be? In a

1199
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 1: net case?

1200
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 2: So it's zero to fifty approximately, and so you know,

1201
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 2: it's just one. You might go to a blackbird targets

1202
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 2: it's thirty eight and then you shoot that one score,

1203
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 2: go to the next one and it's a coyoto target

1204
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: at fifty one down a good canyon, you know. So

1205
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 2: it's just every shot it's different.

1206
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: And then is a ten. Uh, how's it scored out?

1207
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you have in the ASA, it's a little

1208
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,960
Speaker 2: different than the IBO. The ASA, the ten is always

1209
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 2: kind of par and like if you're a golfer, like

1210
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 2: that would be they say a ten's your friend, and

1211
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 2: I agree in a way, but if you want to win,

1212
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 2: it's kind of not your friend. I mean, then you

1213
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 2: have a twelve, which is a pretty risky shot. If

1214
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 2: you miss the ten, you're an eight. We miss that,

1215
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 2: you're a five, and then if you miss the whole target,

1216
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 2: it's a zero. So the rings just get bigger. And

1217
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 2: what is the twelve one of being So the twelve

1218
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 2: sits down like the ten is like a five inch circle,

1219
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 2: and then the twelve is in the lower back corner

1220
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 2: of the ten ring, So it's kind of risky.

1221
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: Like if you shooting, you're flirting with the eight.

1222
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 2: Yes, you're flirting with If you hit low, you flirt

1223
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 2: with the eight. And then in the in the finals,

1224
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 2: we have what's called a fourteen, so it's a bonus

1225
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 2: and it's up by itself in the corner of the

1226
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 2: eight ring, so you're flirting with the five. It's like

1227
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 2: if you go for that, you and you miss, there's

1228
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 2: no par like you're dropping, you know. So it's uh

1229
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 2: so I know I've.

1230
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 4: Shot in the past, and there's like I think how

1231
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 4: it works is five and then uh eight, ten and ten.

1232
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 2: X okay, yep, So that was the old IBO rules,

1233
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 2: so it was a center X in the ten ring.

1234
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 2: And that was when Cabelas had the Nabh and the

1235
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 2: tour and they broke ties with the xes. And that

1236
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 2: when I said, when I was fourteen and shot a

1237
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 2: five hundred. So the five hundred was fifty out of

1238
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 2: fifty targets, that's all tens, and they did it was

1239
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 2: an X at that point. But they don't do the

1240
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 2: X anymore. So the IBO that's in eleven now the

1241
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 2: center ring is an eleven and asa the lower ring

1242
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 2: is the twelve. So now it's all bonus rings. There's

1243
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 2: no X or it's tie breakers are own bonus rings.

1244
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 2: But so five hundred was the highest score I could

1245
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 2: shoot at that time because there was no bonus rings.

1246
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: And so walk folks through the what the range is like,

1247
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: like number of targets, how long it takes to shoot

1248
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: the course, how many arrows are gonna shoot?

1249
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so for qualifying and you know, like a major

1250
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 2: three D event, we'll shoot twenty targets on a Friday,

1251
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 2: twenty targets on Saturday, so forty total. You'll have four

1252
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 2: to five man groups. Takes about three and a half

1253
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 2: to four hours to shoot the course and then at

1254
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 2: the end of that forty targets they take the top

1255
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 2: five and then we go into the final on Saturday

1256
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 2: night and then shooting for the wind and shooting so

1257
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 2: they'll be five in the open pro five and the

1258
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:09,919
Speaker 2: women pro so down the line.

1259
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: Yep. And uh, when you're doing that, is there the

1260
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: no rangefinder thing surprises me, Like that's are you commiserating

1261
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: with other shooters?

1262
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 3: No?

1263
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: No, no, so you keep what's in your head in

1264
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 1: your head.

1265
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't talk about it, you can't hint about it,

1266
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 2: you can't do any of that.

1267
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: So are you able to observe them closely the targets? No? No,

1268
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: are you with the other shooters? Are you standing right

1269
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: next to them?

1270
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, like we're standing next to each other judge and

1271
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 2: these yardages and it's just an educated guess. So I'm

1272
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 2: you keep your judgment to yourself. Oh yeah, for sure,

1273
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 2: got it. And then you know, it's like you're using everything.

1274
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 2: Everybody thinks that they call me a walking rangefinder and

1275
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 2: I'm not at all, you know, I'm not. I'm like,

1276
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 2: if you only knew like the numbers that went through

1277
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 2: my head before I shot that it's it's just a

1278
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 2: good decision. Like you're listening to how long it takes

1279
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 2: your competitors era to get there. You're listening and you're

1280
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 2: using everything around you to like fine tune that window

1281
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 2: of yardages that it could be. Then you have say,

1282
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 2: after everybody and after like it's my turn to shoot,

1283
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 2: And I'm like, it could be forty two, it could

1284
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 2: be forty five. Now I have just to make a

1285
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 2: smart play with that window of yardages that I think

1286
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 2: it could be, to definitely stay in the ten and

1287
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:22,400
Speaker 2: give myself a chance to hit a bonus ring.

1288
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was curious.

1289
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 2: What.

1290
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: Uh So let's say you're talking in the forty to

1291
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: fifty yard range. Obviously the exact number is helpful. Yeah,

1292
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 1: what what's just like, what's what's a good guess? Let's Lookay,

1293
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: the known distance is fifty one yards?

1294
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 8: Right?

1295
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: What is too far off? With your guests?

1296
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 2: It depends on where you're aiming if and me personally,

1297
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 2: I aim at every twelve. I can't help it, like

1298
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 2: you're shooting for twelve. Yeah, so I have to play

1299
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 2: my safety with my numbers. So if it's fifty one yards,

1300
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 2: the perfect play would have been fifty one and a

1301
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 2: half for me, gives you a little bit of room

1302
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 2: to make a week shot and still hit a twelve.

1303
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 2: And if I make a perfect shot, I might clip

1304
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 2: the top of the twelve too, but it definitely keeps

1305
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 2: me in the tenering.

1306
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: And then what what talk about the gear, you guys

1307
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: using what the regulations on gear is?

1308
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 2: H Yeah, we were allowed you know, buyos, and we're shooting.

1309
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 2: Everybody for the most part is shooting a lens in

1310
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 2: our scopes three to five powers probably the most common.

1311
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 2: Back when I was younger, in my early twenties, I

1312
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 2: won everything with no lens. I just shot an uppen,

1313
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 2: no lens. But everybody shooting thirty five to forty inch axle, daxelbows,

1314
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 2: long stabilizer deals, you know, very stable platforms for that.

1315
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 2: But no range finders, no electronics, and our buyos, none

1316
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 2: of that stuff.

1317
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 4: So back tension release shoot.

1318
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,560
Speaker 2: I go back and forth between a back tension and

1319
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:54,120
Speaker 2: a thumb button because target panic still rears its head

1320
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 2: every once in a while. Dealt with them a whole life,

1321
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:59,959
Speaker 2: and so I'll shoot a thumb button really light because

1322
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:01,959
Speaker 2: I shoot that the best. And then when I feel

1323
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 2: those demons coming on, I switch to a Hinge release

1324
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 2: and shoot that for a year and then go back

1325
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 2: and just kind of back and forth.

1326
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 4: Gotcha.

1327
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 1: Uh, talk about what you use for a site.

1328
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 2: So for tournaments, I'm using what's called an excel Achieve

1329
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 2: and so it's one pin on a mover pretty much

1330
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 2: for people to hunt.

1331
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 1: And you got to you got to calibrated tape obviously.

1332
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 2: Down to the I mean you can set it to

1333
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 2: the tenth of a yard kid. Yeah, And so like

1334
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 2: one click is just like so minute. And so it's

1335
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 2: just a very microadjustable tunable sight and shooting like a

1336
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 2: ten thous blue fiber so it doesn't starburst. So you

1337
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 2: can really pinpoint aiming and running a light kit to that,

1338
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 2: like an LP light that you can dim down so

1339
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 2: you can have a battery device on there on your bow. Yeah,

1340
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 2: so you can nothing that projects No, it can't project light.

1341
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:52,680
Speaker 2: It can only be to light your pin.

1342
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 1: Yep.

1343
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 2: And so you know, now these the bows, now we're

1344
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 2: literally shooting them. I'm shooting pretty much out of the box.

1345
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 2: When I was twenty, you took them apart and rebuilt them.

1346
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 2: You know, you had to know how to pretty much

1347
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 2: build a bow back then. Limb pockets were sloppy. You

1348
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 2: were shim and cam shim and Lamb's.

1349
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 3: You know.

1350
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 2: I should have had a sponsor from JB. Weld when

1351
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 2: I was twenty because that's how I built stuff. So yeah,

1352
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 2: it's changed for me.

1353
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: At what age were you messing with your own bow?

1354
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 2: I was really lucky to grow up in an area

1355
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 2: had a ton of really good talent in that western

1356
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 2: North Carolina circuit. Some of the first guys that won

1357
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 2: a ton took me under their wings. My dad was

1358
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 2: really my only coach on the mental and shooting side

1359
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 2: of things. But I had some really good mentors like

1360
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 2: Scott Cope and an older guy named Dave that that

1361
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 2: took me under and just showed me how to work

1362
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 2: on bow and showed me why when things would go wrong, why,

1363
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 2: how to build arrows, how to tune. I would say

1364
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 2: probably fifteen to twenty. Even though I wasn't competing, I

1365
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 2: was learning a lot from like the Scott Cope. So

1366
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 2: eighteen was my rookie year. When I graduated in Scott Cope.

1367
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,680
Speaker 2: That year I learned more about bows than I'd ever

1368
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:10,320
Speaker 2: learned in my entire life from hardships because my rookie

1369
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 2: year I shot as good as I do now, but

1370
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 2: it was the little things that I wasn't doing that

1371
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 2: kept me from winning.

1372
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:18,600
Speaker 1: And little things from a gear standpoint.

1373
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 2: Gear standpoint meant, you know, just the way I was

1374
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 2: attacking the range everything, but yeah, mostly just my setup

1375
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 2: type stuff.

1376
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: What what percent do you think when it comes to

1377
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 1: success in a tournament? It so it'd be hard to

1378
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: answer what percent is equipment and what percent's mental because

1379
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: everybody's probably got good.

1380
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:42,240
Speaker 2: Gear, right, Yeah, it's it's ninety nine percent mental.

1381
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:44,680
Speaker 1: Because because everybody's got to access to the same stuff,

1382
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: there's no secrets.

1383
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 2: Yeah no, And then you stand on the practice range

1384
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 2: of the bags, he'll be three hundred shooters and if

1385
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 2: you said pick, if you can't see the faces just

1386
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 2: off the groups in the bag, who's going to win?

1387
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 2: They all look the same. Everybody shoots just as good

1388
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 2: pretty much even through the amateur ranks at these competitions.

1389
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 2: There's incredible shooters. But it's the little things. And you're

1390
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 2: plans to.

1391
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: Back that up for me, tell me that again. So

1392
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 1: if you walk up and you got three hundred shooters.

1393
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 2: On the back like practice bags, so like there's a

1394
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 2: bag line.

1395
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: Like pre tournament practice bags.

1396
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and everybody's out there just checking tapes, checking their equipment,

1397
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 2: and like the top amateurs are shooting groups like gotcha fifty.

1398
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:29,840
Speaker 1: You would be able to stroll down groups and see like, oh,

1399
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 1: this guy's all over play. It's this guy's time.

1400
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 2: I mean occasionally, but for the most part, the people

1401
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 2: that show up to these tournaments are very top level archers.

1402
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 1: Like in a controlled situation, they're gonna all shoot good.

1403
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:43,439
Speaker 2: But it's when you get when that horn sounds and

1404
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 2: it's for score, you know, that's when everybody starts going away.

1405
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 2: And it's just like the pressure and knowing you can't

1406
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 2: make a mistake and people's mental approach.

1407
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 4: It's just those little mental game man, it's gotta be.

1408
01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 2: It's insane because you know most sports you have that

1409
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:02,879
Speaker 2: that adrenaline and spike. Can you use that, like football

1410
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 2: or baseball or basketball to run faster or hit harder, throw.

1411
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: Further, crushing gear against your head.

1412
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 2: Exactly, and archerie, that's your enemy, Like you got to

1413
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 2: keep that suppressed, right and.

1414
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 1: I got down.

1415
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 8: So with that being like such a huge factor, like

1416
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:22,520
Speaker 8: being able to control your stress, how does that translate.

1417
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 6: Into the deer woods.

1418
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 8: Do you think it's like, are you more relaxed there

1419
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 8: than in the tournaments?

1420
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:30,719
Speaker 2: No, worse, way worse in the deer woods. Yeah, because

1421
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,840
Speaker 2: it's such an uncontrolled environment, you know, and like you

1422
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:35,680
Speaker 2: don't know how long that deer is going to stand there.

1423
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 2: And I've seen some of the best shooters in the

1424
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,719
Speaker 2: world that couldn't hit a live deer to save their life.

1425
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 1: Because of what They just freak out and really freaking out.

1426
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 2: They like I think most I think it's most people's

1427
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 2: mistake deer hunting is that you feel like it's constantly

1428
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 2: about to run, you know, and so like I really

1429
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:56,639
Speaker 2: when we started filming our hunts is when I learned

1430
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 2: the most about myself and hunting is because I would

1431
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 2: feel fuels so rushed and make mistakes rushing and then

1432
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 2: go back and wash it. I'm like, there was so calm, Oh,

1433
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 2: there's nothing to rush for. It was why was I

1434
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,719
Speaker 2: in such a hurry? So I really started to slow

1435
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,679
Speaker 2: myself down. But competitions has made me do that as well,

1436
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 2: just how I mentally approach those big moments and when

1437
01:10:16,920 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 2: my bodies tell me to like hurry, hurry, hurry, and

1438
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 2: how to turn that and just really slow down and

1439
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 2: hyper focus.

1440
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 4: Do you think doing both helps?

1441
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, for sure, for sure. I Mean I've coming

1442
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,920
Speaker 2: out of my highest stress tournament season in August and

1443
01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 2: right into hunting season in September. And so I think

1444
01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 2: most people bow hunting picked their bow up maybe a

1445
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 2: month before season, and they haven't felt any pressure, any stress.

1446
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 2: They shoot by themselves in the backyard, and then the

1447
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 2: first time they're under that is when that deer of

1448
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 2: a lifetime or big buck or elk is standing in

1449
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:51,960
Speaker 2: front of them and they just crumble that.

1450
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:54,680
Speaker 1: That stuff about a month before in your yard by

1451
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:55,759
Speaker 1: yourself really resonated.

1452
01:10:58,200 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 2: That's just the way it is.

1453
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 1: Or I have the high I stressing my kids. I

1454
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 1: stressed my kids kind of paying at tation.

1455
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I'm like, I've had my my eleven year old.

1456
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,719
Speaker 2: Now I'm trying to like prepare him for hunting season

1457
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 2: because this is kind of his first full season hunting

1458
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 2: tree stands with a bow. Yeah, And so I'm out

1459
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 2: there just putting the pressure on, like he's walking, I'm

1460
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 2: gonna stop him. I'm like, man like, I'm like make

1461
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 2: the shot, you know, and then he's failing. And we're

1462
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:25,640
Speaker 2: learning through that. And because I'm trying to duplicate that

1463
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 2: feeling for him so that when that happens, he can

1464
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 2: have success and not be bummed out, because he's very

1465
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 2: hard on himself anyway.

1466
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:36,920
Speaker 1: So what what what are the gear differences? So shooting tournaments?

1467
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 8: Is it?

1468
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 1: I used a totally different arrow set up.

1469
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, arrows and tournaments are a lot bigger, so

1470
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 2: we can shoot up to like a twenty seven diameter

1471
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 2: shaft to cut lines. And that's kind of the purpose.

1472
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: Oh really yeah, that little yeah.

1473
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:55,760
Speaker 2: Because so many days shooting like a even a smaller

1474
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,639
Speaker 2: diameter because I was an interesting point, missed rings by

1475
01:11:58,880 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 2: just and you're like.

1476
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,479
Speaker 1: So like a thicker arrow just blows a better hole. Yeah,

1477
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 1: just cuts lines better. And so I mean by thirty

1478
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 1: seconds of inch minute.

1479
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 2: But I so many tournaments I.

1480
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,600
Speaker 1: Get sitting right here, man. That's why those are some

1481
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: winners right there.

1482
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 2: Well, one of my buddies actually, because there used to

1483
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 2: be no rule indoors for arrow size, and he took

1484
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 2: stabilizer bars and made arrows out of him.

1485
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:22,719
Speaker 1: You're kidding, no, I swear.

1486
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 2: And because back then there was a million dollar prize

1487
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 2: if you didn't miss between three tournaments. You won a

1488
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 2: million dollars, and that you didn't miss the first two tournaments,

1489
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 2: and then after that third one you think he missed

1490
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 2: one or two for the million dollars, and they stable

1491
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 2: arrow over like the next year you couldn't shoot over

1492
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 2: a certain size.

1493
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 4: Wow, I didn't.

1494
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's a that's a really interesting point. It's

1495
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 1: like that little bit of diameter.

1496
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the bigger they are, the harder it is

1497
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 2: to get him to tune. Sometimes.

1498
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 1: Sure they get paid for a stiffer Yeah, there's a

1499
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 1: point at which doesn't help anymore for sure. So what

1500
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 1: what do you like? What do you like to use

1501
01:12:57,400 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 1: to hunt?

1502
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 2: I use a micro diameter smallest, like a one to

1503
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 2: sixty six. We actually just finished building a whole platform

1504
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 2: out of that system because I love the system. I

1505
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 2: hated all the components that went with them in the past,

1506
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 2: but that's there. I like the really small for penetration

1507
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 2: cutting the wind.

1508
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 1: What do you like for broadheads?

1509
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:18,680
Speaker 2: So I shoot? I've shot swackers a two inch expandable

1510
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 2: for twelve years. Really, yeah, use for everything everything from

1511
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 2: moose to elk, grizzly bear. I've shot everything with them.

1512
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 2: So Buffalo, the mechanical. But I got a thirty one

1513
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 2: inch draw shooting seventy eight pounds, and so I'm pushing

1514
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 2: a lot of energy.

1515
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 4: Oh, with seventy eight pounds hunting with your with your

1516
01:13:38,479 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 4: tournament bows, I'd imagine you're pulling less.

1517
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:45,120
Speaker 2: A little seventy two to seventy four pounds tournaments. If

1518
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 2: you shoot FETA, it's a max of sixty, which is

1519
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 2: why I don't shoot that a lot. It's just I can't.

1520
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 2: I don't hold sixty pounds well because I never shoot

1521
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 2: sixty pounds.

1522
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:56,759
Speaker 4: Is it the same amount of leadoff as you're hunting

1523
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 4: bow then your tournament bow?

1524
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, eighty out all the way down to seventy percent tournaments.

1525
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 2: But depending on the way the cams built, Like there's

1526
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 2: seventy v's or's, you know, just regular seventies, which way

1527
01:14:08,360 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 2: the way it falls into that that valley, everybody wants

1528
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 2: a different feel, and I've just got to wear I

1529
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 2: like eighty for everything anymore.

1530
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 1: So why do you crank up from going from tournaments

1531
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:22,759
Speaker 1: to hunting? Why are you cranking up six.

1532
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:26,679
Speaker 2: Pounds because I'm only shooting one arrow hunting, so tall

1533
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:28,599
Speaker 2: you know, I'm shooting a lot of arrows a day.

1534
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I played a long game a little bit.

1535
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1536
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 1: So do you train higher?

1537
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,600
Speaker 2: Not really, I mean for tournament season. I'll start like

1538
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:38,040
Speaker 2: indoor season. I'll be shooting seventy seventy two and then

1539
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 2: just kind of and that's a lot of arrows at

1540
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 2: the beginning of the year January February, so by three

1541
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 2: D season or outdoor season, I'm in great shooting shape.

1542
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 2: And then going into hunting, going up to seventy eight

1543
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:53,679
Speaker 2: pounds is not a huge huge deal, especially we don't

1544
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 2: shoot nearly as many arrows, but I like to have

1545
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:59,280
Speaker 2: that little extra if I can't. This year, I actually

1546
01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 2: had to back off. I couldn't get narrow to tune

1547
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,960
Speaker 2: for the first time. It's that high poundage. A two

1548
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 2: fifty spine was two weak. So I had to back

1549
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,000
Speaker 2: off my poundage to about seventy five is what I'm

1550
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 2: hunting with.

1551
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 1: I think, what, what's some of the biggest mistakes you

1552
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 1: think people make hunting white tails? Shoot? Hitting white tails?

1553
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: Now them hitting them? They aim where they want to hit,

1554
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:24,799
Speaker 1: and you're aiming low. H Hell depends on the distance.

1555
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 1: I've heard you talk I've heard you talk about this

1556
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:26,719
Speaker 1: in the past.

1557
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:29,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, you know, I think forty yards is

1558
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 2: the worst. Forty to fifty yards is probably the worst

1559
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 2: distance to shoot a white tail in my opinion, because

1560
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:37,000
Speaker 2: they they can hear everything. They can hear the bow,

1561
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 2: they hear the arrow, but they still have time to react. Yep,

1562
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:43,560
Speaker 2: once you get further than that, they can't hear the

1563
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 2: bow go off as well. They don't react that jumpy movement.

1564
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 2: And then thirty on under if you're shooting a pretty

1565
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:52,960
Speaker 2: spast bow, yeah, thirty they can react a little, But

1566
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 2: at twenty you can pretty much aim where you want

1567
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 2: to hit for the most part, unless you're hunting like

1568
01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 2: really keyed up South Texas or Texas stuff. You have

1569
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 2: to know where you're at, you have to know your

1570
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 2: deer herd, you have to read their language. But normally

1571
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 2: a good rule is to aim lower third of a

1572
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 2: white tail, I think, because if you hit, if they

1573
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 2: don't move, you still shoot them in the heart. And

1574
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:15,600
Speaker 2: if they drop ten inches, you're gonna hit him in

1575
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 2: the lungs.

1576
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:27,640
Speaker 1: What's a big drop for a deer loading up to

1577
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 1: jump and talk about that too, is like the idea

1578
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:34,720
Speaker 1: of that he like jumped the string. Yeah, like talk

1579
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 1: about what he's doing.

1580
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 2: They're just crouching to run, you know, but they have

1581
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:40,639
Speaker 2: to flex their legs to run, and so it looks

1582
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:42,639
Speaker 2: like they're duck in your arrow, but they're just they're

1583
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 2: like they're just just getting out of there, you know. Yeah,

1584
01:16:46,240 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 2: he's loading up to spring run. Yeah, and so it's

1585
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 2: just I take all that into consideration. But if they're

1586
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 2: forty yards, it's dead quiet and they're keyed up. I'm

1587
01:16:57,200 --> 01:17:01,680
Speaker 2: aiming like belly line. Really yeah, they're they're gonna.

1588
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 1: So you're aiming that if he didn't do anything, you're.

1589
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 2: You're in trouble.

1590
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 1: He's gonna do something, But I know you're gonna do something.

1591
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 3: We filmed them on where they will. They not only

1592
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 3: do they drop, but they also load away from you.

1593
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:17,719
Speaker 3: So there it almost if you're like the other direction. Yeah,

1594
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 3: so the era, we have video of the arrow just climbing.

1595
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 3: Literally just as he's falling, the arrow goes almost like

1596
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:26,280
Speaker 3: a special effect, which is crazy.

1597
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:29,679
Speaker 4: Which kind of makes sense. If they're getting predator's coming,

1598
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 4: they're gonna want to.

1599
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 3: White Tail especially doesn't need a reason. I mean, they

1600
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,759
Speaker 3: we hunt other mule deer. I feel a little differently

1601
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:38,560
Speaker 3: about they always want to check and see what's going on.

1602
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 3: White tail doesn't need a reason and it's just that

1603
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:43,839
Speaker 3: immediate reaction boom. Yeah, it's insane.

1604
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll wheel away and turn like there's so much

1605
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,439
Speaker 2: to take in consideration. And I think people just shoot

1606
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 2: a deer target a ton, you know, practicing, and they

1607
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 2: just the tin ring and everything's where they want to

1608
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 2: hit to double long and then so when that deer

1609
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 2: comes out, they just put their thirty yard pin right

1610
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 2: the lungs and shoot and backstrap them or shoot over

1611
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 2: them or you know. I just think that's the probably

1612
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 2: the biggest mistake I see people make as far as

1613
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 2: the shooting aspect of it.

1614
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure you hot to ask this, take a stab

1615
01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 1: at it? If at what distance? And I know there's

1616
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:21,200
Speaker 1: all these variables like speed of arrow and all that,

1617
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 1: but let's say it's totally still call them out. At

1618
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 1: what distance is a deer that's just like because of

1619
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:32,160
Speaker 1: the noise aspect, at what distance is it just too

1620
01:18:32,240 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 1: far to know where it's going to be when the

1621
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 1: arrow gets there.

1622
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 2: I've seen deer completely move out of the way at forty,

1623
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 2: you know, and then I've seen deer at eighty stand

1624
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 2: there and never move at all. So it's very hard

1625
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:46,240
Speaker 2: to say.

1626
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 1: So forty one can be out of the way for sure.

1627
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:50,920
Speaker 2: I mean, depending on the speed of the bow. I mean,

1628
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 2: I'm talking about three feet from where you were aiming.

1629
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 2: You know, you might hit him in the hip type stuff.

1630
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 2: Just a very you know, bow hunting and hunting in

1631
01:18:58,479 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 2: general is just very uncontroled, and so you just have

1632
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 2: to take high percentage shots and then understand that bad

1633
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 2: things are going to happen every once in a while

1634
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:10,679
Speaker 2: and you have to deal with it and do your best.

1635
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:14,680
Speaker 2: And so I mean for somebody to say, I've both

1636
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 2: hunted my whole life, never made a bad shot, never

1637
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 2: called Yeah, I'm saying like that doesn't happen. You know,

1638
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 2: I called every you know, situation exactly as it was

1639
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 2: going to happen. It's just doesn't It's not the way

1640
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 2: it is.

1641
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 4: If somebody tells you that, they're probably they're probably full

1642
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 4: of it.

1643
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, But I feel really comfortable shooting a white till,

1644
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 2: Like I love that sixty to eighty range because they

1645
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 2: don't move a lot, got it, And I still feel

1646
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 2: very comfortable shooting. But I mean, I've dedicated my life

1647
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 2: to that I.

1648
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 1: Think that's your businessman.

1649
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so that forty to fifty makes me most

1650
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 2: nervous shoot because they're never where they were when I

1651
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 2: the release fires.

1652
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:58,880
Speaker 1: Huh. So it's like, where's he going to go talk

1653
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 1: about your aiming proce? You're not aiming at brown? No, no, no.

1654
01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 2: My dad taught me, like, so I missed a lot

1655
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 2: of deer when I was hunting those game lands from

1656
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 2: that when I said I started hunting it like started

1657
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 2: shooting at him at like eight, and then I killed

1658
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 2: my first one at twelve. Well, that four year span

1659
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 2: was not pretty, and so my dad really started that's

1660
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,600
Speaker 2: what I was doing, like just put pins on it

1661
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:25,040
Speaker 2: and shoot. And so he really like drove it into

1662
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 2: my head that I got to pick a hair. He's like,

1663
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:29,439
Speaker 2: you have to pick a hair on that deer that

1664
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,639
Speaker 2: you want to hit. You know, it's old saying aim small,

1665
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 2: miss small, but that was his way of telling me, like,

1666
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:36,240
Speaker 2: don't just aim at the deer. It's a good way

1667
01:20:36,280 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 2: to miss. And it's still true to this day. In tournaments,

1668
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:40,680
Speaker 2: I take that aiming at the ten is a good

1669
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 2: way to shoot an eight, you know, aiming at the

1670
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:44,640
Speaker 2: twelve is a good way to shoot a ten You

1671
01:20:44,720 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 2: got to aim at something way smaller than that. So

1672
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 2: if you miss, you're still good. And so that's the

1673
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:51,640
Speaker 2: way I still approach that is like I want to

1674
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 2: pick the ventricle of the heart. I want to aim

1675
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 2: at you know that type of guy.

1676
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 1: So that's how you're thinking about it.

1677
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:57,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I think about it.

1678
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:00,640
Speaker 1: And that's an interesting deal. You can see people might

1679
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 1: people that don't shoot bows, uh, might get this from

1680
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 1: just shut sighting your rifle at a range. Like if

1681
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 1: you're just trying to zero you gun in to one

1682
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:14,599
Speaker 1: hundred yards, shoot a bullet hole and then use that. Yeah,

1683
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 1: and you'll watch your group shrink down for sure. Like

1684
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 1: if you if you got a one circle on a

1685
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:20,600
Speaker 1: target and you're trying to see what your group is, like,

1686
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:23,559
Speaker 1: just never mind that, aim at a bullet hole. Yeah,

1687
01:21:23,880 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 1: and you'd be like, oh, because you know, I don't

1688
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 1: know what is going on. It's just like that that

1689
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 1: level of precision, you know, Or shoot an arrow and

1690
01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 1: aim at the nock. That's your focus, yeah, and give

1691
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 1: it like try to find something. But the hard part,

1692
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:37,680
Speaker 1: you know, I could do that all day long, or

1693
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 1: I'll go and take whatever you know, take a little

1694
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 1: bit of blue masking tape and kind of tucking in something.

1695
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 1: But deer running around the woods they don't have that.

1696
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:48,800
Speaker 1: They don't have blue masking tape. So how are you like? Look,

1697
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 1: what do you think? What do you like? Actually, if

1698
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 1: you if you had to analyze what's probably occurring in

1699
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 1: your head in a very quick sense, like what are

1700
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:58,920
Speaker 1: you actually looking at? You know, I mean when you're

1701
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 1: looking at that deer's by what are your eyes going to?

1702
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 2: So I think this is where three D tournaments has

1703
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 2: helped me so much, because we're aiming at a target

1704
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 2: and you can't see the rings. There are no dots,

1705
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:11,080
Speaker 2: there's no it's a blank deer target. You just have

1706
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 2: to know, like you find the rings with bios and

1707
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:15,640
Speaker 2: then you get very good at aiming off of shadows

1708
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 2: and just little detailed differences. And so for me on

1709
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:22,720
Speaker 2: a deer, like, I think first and foremost you have

1710
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 2: to know the anatomy of a deer and an animal really.

1711
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:27,959
Speaker 1: Well, let's do it. Then it's a forty yard shot.

1712
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 2: Okay, forty yard shot perfectly broadside. I am going to

1713
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 2: give myself and it's all just for me. It's giving

1714
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:37,160
Speaker 2: myself the most room for error, human error, the deer

1715
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 2: moving everything, so forty yards perfectly broadside. I'm gonna pick

1716
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 2: that spot just behind the elbow, about two inches an

1717
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 2: inch and a half two inches up in the deer maybe,

1718
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:49,639
Speaker 2: and I'm going to burn my forty yard pin about

1719
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:53,519
Speaker 2: an inch or two behind that crease, and knowing that

1720
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 2: deer is gonna move.

1721
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. See that's the thing there, man, it's like not

1722
01:22:57,439 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 1: that like I wonder if it will, but you just

1723
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:01,120
Speaker 1: like it will. It's gonna be. Yeah.

1724
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:03,880
Speaker 2: Now, if the wind's blowing forty it's raining, he's looking

1725
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:07,120
Speaker 2: the other way. He's chasing a dough. Everything changes that.

1726
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:10,960
Speaker 2: I almost messed up last year in Mississippi. The buck

1727
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 2: was chasing a dough out of a cane. Thinket it's quiet,

1728
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 2: So in my mind I'm thinking he's gonna he's gonna drop.

1729
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 2: But when they're that keyed up and run it up

1730
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 2: on a dough, they don't hear anything.

1731
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:21,000
Speaker 8: You can.

1732
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 2: You could scream at him. They ain't paying attention. And

1733
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 2: I hit him in that inch above, right behind the

1734
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:29,640
Speaker 2: crease and hit the heart, bottom of the heart. But

1735
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 2: it's he didn't move, and it scared me to death.

1736
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 2: You know, when I shot and he just stood there

1737
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 2: and took it, I was like, oh man, but in

1738
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:40,479
Speaker 2: a normal scenario, they're gonna duck five to ten inches

1739
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 2: at forty yards?

1740
01:23:42,360 --> 01:23:44,800
Speaker 1: Are there shots? And let's keep it like, let's let's

1741
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 1: keep it forty or you know, forty or so Let's

1742
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:50,720
Speaker 1: say you got a buck and he comes in, he

1743
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:54,160
Speaker 1: gets like semi down when and he just knows something

1744
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 1: isn't right, you know, works as are you thinking, like,

1745
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:00,679
Speaker 1: no way, he's too keyed up? Are you just playing

1746
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 1: you just playing on you just plan on that? Then yeah,

1747
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 1: like this dude is a flight risk at when the

1748
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:06,439
Speaker 1: string board for sure?

1749
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 2: For sure? Then then I think I think there is

1750
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:10,800
Speaker 2: a time where you just have to say it's not

1751
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 2: it's not going to work. You know, if he's that

1752
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 2: keyed up looking at you at sixty, it's probably not

1753
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:17,680
Speaker 2: a good you'll make.

1754
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 1: You might make the call not to do it.

1755
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but forty I think you can still make

1756
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:23,760
Speaker 2: the play. He can duck, but he you know, it's

1757
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:26,840
Speaker 2: it's just such a situational thing.

1758
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I'm.

1759
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 3: Thinking of the average hunter here. Yeah, you're you're the

1760
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:34,639
Speaker 3: best in the world. Okay, we've established with much Yeah. Yeah,

1761
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 3: I pounded the table, that's right.

1762
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:38,759
Speaker 1: But you were able to take.

1763
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 3: Your mind through a thought process and a very intense situation. Yeah,

1764
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:46,720
Speaker 3: the average guy realistically like twenty five yards maybe thirty.

1765
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:50,559
Speaker 2: Right, I think, you know, the high percentage stuff. Yeah,

1766
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:55,600
Speaker 2: I think the average guy can get efficient enough to

1767
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 2: shoot fifty sixty yards and be very good. The problem

1768
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 2: is you in the white too, which you have to

1769
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:03,479
Speaker 2: be able to process and take in so much information

1770
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 2: and then make a good decision with it like that,

1771
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 2: And that's the hard part, is making good decisions in

1772
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 2: those moments. And it's like, I think it's why so

1773
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:14,080
Speaker 2: many people just make bad shots, or if they would

1774
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:16,639
Speaker 2: have just been able to process that a little quicker,

1775
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 2: you know. So I think, yeah, I think most guys,

1776
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:22,600
Speaker 2: you know, bow hunting was growing up, was always a

1777
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:25,160
Speaker 2: forty and under game, you know, And that's the way

1778
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:27,519
Speaker 2: it just was. And it's just this unspoken rule. It

1779
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 2: was like nope, no, it's like can't I don't have

1780
01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 2: a pin over fifty yards? And I never did growing

1781
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:33,799
Speaker 2: up because I was on the East Coast. We couldn't

1782
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 2: shoot further in that anyway. Yeah, But when I started hunting,

1783
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 2: out west. It's when I really it opened my eyes

1784
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 2: up to this long range bow hunting stuff. I showed

1785
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:46,600
Speaker 2: up an Analop camp with Tim Gillingham, who's another one

1786
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 2: of the best in the world shooters, and I had

1787
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:50,680
Speaker 2: a fifty yard pen and that was it. And he

1788
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:55,720
Speaker 2: laughed at me, like out loud, good luck, Like yeah,

1789
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 2: good luck, You're not going to kill an aneloe. He

1790
01:25:57,479 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 2: told me that straight to my face, and so I

1791
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:01,639
Speaker 2: proved him wrong. Made it a point that I will

1792
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:03,400
Speaker 2: get to within fifty yards in one of these things.

1793
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 2: But I realized really quickly, like Okay, if I'm going

1794
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:09,920
Speaker 2: to be successful out west consistently, I've got to learn

1795
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:11,760
Speaker 2: to shoot further for the white tail stuff. You do

1796
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 2: not have to shoot past fifty yards to be successful.

1797
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 4: Maybe that's why I've had such a hard time out here.

1798
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 2: It's hard, man.

1799
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 1: It is just shoots homemade bows.

1800
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 4: Oh really, yeah, I used to a lot more. I

1801
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 4: haven't had a lot of time, but I used to

1802
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 4: build bows.

1803
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:29,639
Speaker 1: But you might know about Chess. He has a bowl company,

1804
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 1: not anymore more, he did.

1805
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 4: I wanted to tell you a story about Aim Small.

1806
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 1: That I can't argue with that he's got an arrow

1807
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:38,880
Speaker 1: tattooed on his arm.

1808
01:26:39,479 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 4: One day. This is just a real quick story out

1809
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 4: in the elkwoods. I get out there and I always

1810
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 4: shoot in a couple of arrows with I have a

1811
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:49,560
Speaker 4: judo point. So I'm at about fifteen yards and I

1812
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 4: pick out a little rock and I shoot. I just

1813
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 4: miss it. I'm like, all right, that's pretty good, you know,

1814
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 4: I'm happy with that. I walk down the trail a

1815
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:01,600
Speaker 4: little bit. I see a grouse about fifteen yards. I

1816
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 4: aim at it, shoot at it, just miss it.

1817
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:05,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1818
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 4: Then a little while later that day have a bull

1819
01:27:10,320 --> 01:27:14,679
Speaker 4: come in about twenty yards, perfectly broadside shot, all nervous,

1820
01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 4: aim at it, just miss it. But it just goes

1821
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 4: to show you. It's like, come on, man, I can

1822
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 4: hit my target.

1823
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1824
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:28,919
Speaker 4: At twenty yards, focus gets bigger, everything exactly.

1825
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:31,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's set. That's this weird thing, man. I like

1826
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:35,760
Speaker 1: there's so many, God, there's so many like failure stores.

1827
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:38,640
Speaker 1: There's so many failure stories that when I'm trying to

1828
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:42,800
Speaker 1: explain this to people, like the sort of you know,

1829
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:44,800
Speaker 1: like the egg and you of trying to learn how

1830
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 1: to kill elk with a bow, Like we started hunting.

1831
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:49,160
Speaker 1: I started hunting deer with the bow when I was little,

1832
01:27:49,200 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 1: and it was just different because you know, during bow season,

1833
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 1: be like we did shoot any deer you could possibly

1834
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 1: get a chance at, you know, But how hard it

1835
01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:00,400
Speaker 1: was to learn how to kill elk with a bow.

1836
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 1: I remember when I finally killed a bowl, I killed

1837
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 1: a couple of coles, and I finally killed a bull

1838
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:07,800
Speaker 1: in my bow and hit it through the heart and

1839
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:09,880
Speaker 1: it didn't even really move and died. I thought I

1840
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 1: was hallucinating. I was like, it's it's easier to imagine

1841
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:17,880
Speaker 1: that I'm in a hallucinatory state than it is to

1842
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 1: imagine that that just fell over it. I'll buy that, Like,

1843
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 1: that's that's more. That makes more sense that I better

1844
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 1: to hallucinatory state. But I think that that's like if

1845
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 1: you review all the bad like when you review the

1846
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 1: bad shots, you know, and I review the bad shots

1847
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 1: I made on my bow, and when I review the

1848
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:42,639
Speaker 1: good ones and I review the bad ones, the bad ones,

1849
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 1: you recognize that you don't know what But there was

1850
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:49,720
Speaker 1: a lack of certainty. There was a there was a

1851
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:53,720
Speaker 1: a flash of like, let's see what happens, or a

1852
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 1: flash of I hope this works out, or you better

1853
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:01,800
Speaker 1: do this, they're right yep. And when it's not, it's

1854
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:03,600
Speaker 1: that you review and your how do you like no, no, no,

1855
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:07,559
Speaker 1: that's right. Like I went like no, no, no, calm down, yeah,

1856
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:13,080
Speaker 1: and I placed the arrow there was no who knows, no,

1857
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:13,559
Speaker 1: that's the.

1858
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I mean, it's so funny because I

1859
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:18,880
Speaker 2: try to tell people all the time. They're like, how

1860
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 2: do you in those moments where even tournaments where everything

1861
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:24,639
Speaker 2: is on the line, Like, how do you not let

1862
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:28,439
Speaker 2: like all the negative like what could go wrong? Stuff in?

1863
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 2: Because that's what happens. It's like like the skier analogies

1864
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:33,720
Speaker 2: like don't hit the tree. Don't hit the tree, you

1865
01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:36,680
Speaker 2: hit the tree. You know, what you're focused on is

1866
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:38,360
Speaker 2: is very important?

1867
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:41,519
Speaker 4: You know, you have a There's so many different things

1868
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:45,840
Speaker 4: and ways and that people teach. Do you do you

1869
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:46,639
Speaker 4: have a process?

1870
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:49,800
Speaker 2: I you know, I won a lot of tournaments before

1871
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:53,519
Speaker 2: I really really realize what I had a process and

1872
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 2: those those and I've watched a lot of people and

1873
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 2: I think I just got a little bit lucky too

1874
01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:01,080
Speaker 2: as far as having that. My dad was a really

1875
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:04,760
Speaker 2: good mental coach, tough tough love type mental coach, but

1876
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 2: he was very invested in me being able to perform

1877
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:12,599
Speaker 2: in high pressure. And so it's like I never really

1878
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:15,760
Speaker 2: had a way to word it until recently. And I

1879
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:17,639
Speaker 2: don't know if you guys have heard of Joel Turner

1880
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:22,880
Speaker 2: with the shot I Q to keep it, yeah, like,

1881
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:24,760
Speaker 2: but it was the way he explained it to me

1882
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 2: over the phone that really made it make sense what

1883
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 2: I did, Like what I was talking about slowing down

1884
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:34,040
Speaker 2: those those big moments, because when you get in that moment,

1885
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:36,640
Speaker 2: even in tournaments, you just want the result now, like

1886
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:39,040
Speaker 2: or when that big bull Elk steps up, like I

1887
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:40,760
Speaker 2: want it now. I want to I want to see

1888
01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:43,320
Speaker 2: my arrow hit it now instead of just letting your

1889
01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 2: process just just you know, organically happen. So I was

1890
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:50,960
Speaker 2: always able to slow down in those moments, but I

1891
01:30:51,040 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 2: didn't know why. And I always saw people that performed

1892
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:57,000
Speaker 2: better in high pressure and I didn't know why. But

1893
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:59,000
Speaker 2: when Joel explained to me like this, He's like, leave,

1894
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 2: how much determination would it take for you to walk

1895
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:06,920
Speaker 2: through a house that was on fire, like slowly walk

1896
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:09,400
Speaker 2: through it? I said, it was a lot of determination

1897
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 2: for me to do that, you know, And you said, well,

1898
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 2: that's what your mind's going through in those moments, and

1899
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:15,439
Speaker 2: he's right. And so once you start looking at it

1900
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:17,800
Speaker 2: like that, because everything feels like it's on fire and

1901
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:20,640
Speaker 2: you just want to run through that moment, you have

1902
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:21,280
Speaker 2: to learn how to do.

1903
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 1: Like you said, like you want it so bad, yes,

1904
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:25,559
Speaker 1: like this what you worked.

1905
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 2: For, this opportunity right now, this arrow, whether like this

1906
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 2: year's shooting for Worlds, Like my whole season came down

1907
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 2: to that arrow, and everything in me wanted to just

1908
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 2: get to the result now. But I literally that was

1909
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:41,280
Speaker 2: probably the slowest arrow I shot all year because I was.

1910
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:45,400
Speaker 4: Like, this double this is the last era of Worlds, Yes.

1911
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:48,720
Speaker 2: The final ara. I put up on my Instagram a

1912
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:50,640
Speaker 2: video of me shooting that, and I didn't like in

1913
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 2: the moment, I look so calm, but inside I was

1914
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:56,920
Speaker 2: on fire, you know, because everybody's always like, dude, you

1915
01:31:57,040 --> 01:31:58,840
Speaker 2: are just made of ice, You like ice water in

1916
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:02,080
Speaker 2: your veins. I'm like, no, I am freaking out inside.

1917
01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:04,840
Speaker 2: I just looked that way. And so it was really

1918
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:07,840
Speaker 2: really a slow, methodical process. And if you'd have looked

1919
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 2: at me at nineteen twenty, I was still winning a lot.

1920
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:13,920
Speaker 2: But the more nervous I got, the faster I shot,

1921
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:18,080
Speaker 2: And so the older I've gotten, I've realized really important

1922
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:19,880
Speaker 2: it is for me to slow down the more nervous

1923
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:20,240
Speaker 2: I get.

1924
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:23,200
Speaker 1: And what does that look like? Walk walk through what

1925
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:25,960
Speaker 1: looks like to slow yourself down? Now what it looks like?

1926
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:29,759
Speaker 1: But I mean, are you are you literally talking to yourself? Yes? Okay,

1927
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:31,559
Speaker 1: you're lecturing yourself?

1928
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:33,800
Speaker 2: Yes, on where I want to hit I'm gonna hit here,

1929
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:36,760
Speaker 2: I'm gonna aim here. This is what's gonna happen. I'm

1930
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:39,200
Speaker 2: gonna shoot it for this, I'm double checking my site tape.

1931
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:44,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna execute slowly and steady and just really affirming

1932
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 2: every positive thing that I'm going to do, not like

1933
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:51,400
Speaker 2: what could happen if I don't do this, Because I've

1934
01:32:51,479 --> 01:32:53,519
Speaker 2: had tournaments where I let those thoughts in and it's

1935
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:57,200
Speaker 2: you just collapse and it's over what thoughts? So like

1936
01:32:57,640 --> 01:33:01,519
Speaker 2: everybody's everybody's looking like this is your whole season comes

1937
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:03,719
Speaker 2: down to this. You know there's one hundred thousand dollars

1938
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 2: on the line. You know you haven't won in three tournaments.

1939
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:11,720
Speaker 2: Those thoughts, you know, after the phone call from some

1940
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:14,679
Speaker 2: of your biggest endorsements of like, hey, what's your practice

1941
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:19,639
Speaker 2: routine looking like lately? Looks like everybody's doubting you, I think,

1942
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:22,040
Speaker 2: and you're washed up. Oh I've heard it all.

1943
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 1: It's like, oh man, I'll be like, yeah, I gotta run.

1944
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:24,639
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1945
01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 2: It's like it's I've been like those stretches in your

1946
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:31,200
Speaker 2: career where it's like you just can't get it. You

1947
01:33:31,479 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 2: just right there and just like five in a row

1948
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:35,760
Speaker 2: where you don't you don't win, and it's just like

1949
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:38,759
Speaker 2: everybody's like, oh he lost it. You hear the buzz

1950
01:33:38,800 --> 01:33:41,000
Speaker 2: and it's like, Okay, I gotta shut all that up

1951
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 2: and figure it out. And I think just and then

1952
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:45,720
Speaker 2: I think that's why you see in a lot of

1953
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:48,000
Speaker 2: sports the guys that dominate and then they just go

1954
01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:52,600
Speaker 2: away because it's that expectation that of other people and

1955
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 2: then you put on yourself. That cloud just follows you everywhere.

1956
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:55,559
Speaker 1: Yep.

1957
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:57,439
Speaker 2: And it's a very uncomfortable feeling.

1958
01:33:57,600 --> 01:33:59,040
Speaker 1: What's old for a tournament shooter.

1959
01:34:00,840 --> 01:34:02,599
Speaker 2: Some of the guys that are in their fifties still

1960
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:06,439
Speaker 2: shooting incredibly. You play a long time, Yeah, so I could.

1961
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:10,080
Speaker 2: I don't know that I will hold you. I'm thirty six,

1962
01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 2: But do you know a decade if you felt like right, yeah,

1963
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 2: I mean, if my eyes the main thing is your eyes.

1964
01:34:16,160 --> 01:34:16,280
Speaker 5: Is that?

1965
01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 1: Is that what the limiting factor is.

1966
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:20,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so a lot of the guys have had you know,

1967
01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:23,479
Speaker 2: different surgeries and kept their eyes really good. My eyes

1968
01:34:23,479 --> 01:34:25,800
Speaker 2: are still great. They change every year, but I can

1969
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:26,720
Speaker 2: still see very well.

1970
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 1: What's you deal with stuff like coffee?

1971
01:34:29,960 --> 01:34:30,120
Speaker 5: You know?

1972
01:34:30,360 --> 01:34:33,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I drink coffee every morning, so I tournament shooting,

1973
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 2: I just could try to limit it until after, but

1974
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:40,800
Speaker 2: I am like addicted to caffeine badly, So.

1975
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:43,759
Speaker 1: That's just factored in. Oh yeah, it's gonna be coffee.

1976
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:46,280
Speaker 2: Well, the first thing I think of whenever I shoot

1977
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:48,160
Speaker 2: that final arrow that day is like I'm getting an

1978
01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:50,640
Speaker 2: energy drink from the closest gas station I come to

1979
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:54,120
Speaker 2: after this. Yeah, but I keep it to a minimum

1980
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:58,160
Speaker 2: and try to eat easy digestible foods. Yeah, give me

1981
01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:02,920
Speaker 2: an example, like now through something like that for breathers.

1982
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:05,040
Speaker 2: I don't want like steak and eggs, you know, just

1983
01:35:05,160 --> 01:35:07,880
Speaker 2: because literally you can see when your body's working that

1984
01:35:07,960 --> 01:35:09,960
Speaker 2: hard to digest food. You can see your pin moving,

1985
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:10,559
Speaker 2: your heartbeat.

1986
01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:14,360
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, man, it wasn't until I never

1987
01:35:14,479 --> 01:35:17,840
Speaker 1: got it from Archie. It wasn't until I got into

1988
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:24,720
Speaker 1: free diving Spirit official and free diving. Like my friend

1989
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:27,760
Speaker 1: Greg fonce, He's like, if something's wrong with you, this

1990
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:32,440
Speaker 1: is where you find out right and noticing the effects

1991
01:35:33,439 --> 01:35:35,280
Speaker 1: of because you're just trying to do breath holds and

1992
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:38,240
Speaker 1: become conscious of your heart, noticing the effects of what

1993
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:46,400
Speaker 1: you've eaten, what you drank, the hydration stress. I never

1994
01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:49,120
Speaker 1: applied and I should. I never applied that type of

1995
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:54,479
Speaker 1: thinking to marksmanship, right, like shooting my rifle, shooting my bow.

1996
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:57,760
Speaker 1: I'll be like laying on the surface right for a dive,

1997
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:00,240
Speaker 1: and once I close my eyes, I'm like, you're not

1998
01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:02,880
Speaker 1: ready to go. You're not ready, Like I could, you know,

1999
01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:06,000
Speaker 1: I can like hear my heart beating in my ear, yeah,

2000
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 1: which you shouldn't, right, you know, And I'll be like chill.

2001
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 1: But I never you know, I would never think to

2002
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:15,479
Speaker 1: be sitting in the tree stand and be like, all right, uh,

2003
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:19,000
Speaker 1: you better tone it down, right, Yeah, you know that's that,

2004
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:22,679
Speaker 1: Like you better like just take a second, tone it down,

2005
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:25,840
Speaker 1: you know, let's check in. Let's check in a little

2006
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:26,679
Speaker 1: bit on what we're doing.

2007
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:28,640
Speaker 2: Definitely, there's a lot of things you can do to

2008
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:32,080
Speaker 2: slow your heart rate. You know, I've learned all that

2009
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:34,080
Speaker 2: shooting in the World Cup because I've never been under

2010
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:37,320
Speaker 2: that much pressure, like shooting for the US in England

2011
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:40,600
Speaker 2: and against other countries and stuff like that. It was

2012
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:43,560
Speaker 2: like this immense pressure and for I was like this

2013
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:45,680
Speaker 2: total redneck that went over there because everybody like you

2014
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:47,840
Speaker 2: should go shoot in the World Cup. And then I

2015
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:49,640
Speaker 2: was like, I guess, you know. So I flew to

2016
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:52,759
Speaker 2: England and pretty soon I was the last standing American

2017
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:55,520
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my god, my whole country's counting.

2018
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:57,760
Speaker 1: On the lee Greenwood yelling.

2019
01:36:59,479 --> 01:37:01,240
Speaker 2: Just rolled through through all my buddies and now it's

2020
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:03,120
Speaker 2: me and some guy from the Netherlands and they're like

2021
01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:05,320
Speaker 2: blowing air horns in my ear, and I'm like, Jesus

2022
01:37:05,479 --> 01:37:06,599
Speaker 2: is wild over here.

2023
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:09,720
Speaker 1: So when you see a buck coming, let's say, like

2024
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:12,720
Speaker 1: a buck you've really been after, Yeah, and he's coming.

2025
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:15,360
Speaker 1: He's still way out, but he's coming, he's lined out.

2026
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:19,600
Speaker 1: Do you are you conscious about what?

2027
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:20,920
Speaker 2: Like?

2028
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:26,520
Speaker 1: Are you practicing the same mental discipline like this is gonna.

2029
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:27,040
Speaker 2: Happen right right?

2030
01:37:27,320 --> 01:37:29,080
Speaker 1: So are you go like okay, I'm gonna know, yeah,

2031
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 1: getting my headspace. Are you just in the hunting game and.

2032
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:34,920
Speaker 2: You're not playing like I'm not nearly as good in

2033
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:37,599
Speaker 2: that moment as I am at a tournament, just because

2034
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 2: in a tournament, I know exactly what's gonna take place

2035
01:37:40,840 --> 01:37:43,200
Speaker 2: for the most part, like I got twenty targets to shoot,

2036
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:45,400
Speaker 2: and then once I'm in the finals, I can make

2037
01:37:45,439 --> 01:37:47,120
Speaker 2: a plan like this is my strategy.

2038
01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:48,439
Speaker 1: Target's not gonna with you, no, I.

2039
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:50,040
Speaker 2: Mean hunting, you might hunt for two weeks and you

2040
01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:51,800
Speaker 2: get lulled asleep and all of a sudden, boom, there

2041
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:53,840
Speaker 2: he is. He's coming, and so you don't have that.

2042
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:57,320
Speaker 2: I mean, ideally you stay sharp and if he comes

2043
01:37:57,400 --> 01:37:58,880
Speaker 2: on this trail, like that's what I try to do.

2044
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:00,960
Speaker 2: If he comes from here, this will be my plan.

2045
01:38:01,040 --> 01:38:03,240
Speaker 2: If he comes from here, this is what I'm gonna do.

2046
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:05,519
Speaker 2: But I mean, you get caught off guard all the time,

2047
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:08,320
Speaker 2: and so it's for me, it's just focusing again on

2048
01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:11,960
Speaker 2: what I want to happen, how I want to execute,

2049
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:16,240
Speaker 2: and not focusing on all the negative that can go wrong.

2050
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:20,760
Speaker 2: But hunting, I my heart rate, everything is so elevated

2051
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:24,240
Speaker 2: from tournaments. It's just I love it, and I like,

2052
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:26,880
Speaker 2: you work so hard for that opportunity and you don't

2053
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:27,679
Speaker 2: know what's coming.

2054
01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:31,360
Speaker 1: When because you're a walking range finder. Do you uh,

2055
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:32,760
Speaker 1: what do you what are you doing with deer?

2056
01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:36,800
Speaker 2: Oh? I range everything? Yeah, that thing's in my hand constantly.

2057
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:38,040
Speaker 1: Got it? So what do you get up the tree?

2058
01:38:38,040 --> 01:38:41,560
Speaker 1: You start ranging trees and yeah, and when you visualize

2059
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:44,000
Speaker 1: all your shot, like are you like, okay, I a

2060
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:45,280
Speaker 1: picture shooting through that gap?

2061
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:45,720
Speaker 2: I pick?

2062
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:46,880
Speaker 1: Are you doing all that kind of stuff?

2063
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:48,800
Speaker 2: If he comes on that trail, I hit that limb

2064
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:51,360
Speaker 2: over like everything, I'm trying to pick it apart when

2065
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:52,080
Speaker 2: I get in a tree.

2066
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:54,040
Speaker 1: But even then could be this way, it could be

2067
01:38:54,160 --> 01:38:54,519
Speaker 1: that way.

2068
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:56,600
Speaker 2: But like used to, I'd range a tree like that

2069
01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:59,240
Speaker 2: one's forty, that one's fifty one. So if he's between it,

2070
01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:02,799
Speaker 2: all kind of try to gauge it. But I learned myself,

2071
01:39:02,920 --> 01:39:06,200
Speaker 2: and like you black out a lot in those moments,

2072
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:08,280
Speaker 2: right yep, and it's right there and then you're like, wait,

2073
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:09,519
Speaker 2: what was that trig?

2074
01:39:09,880 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 3: You know?

2075
01:39:10,160 --> 01:39:13,720
Speaker 2: So now I'm I'm constantly got my rangefinder, and so

2076
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:16,720
Speaker 2: like I want to click it and like when I

2077
01:39:16,880 --> 01:39:19,599
Speaker 2: until he breaks under thirty, then I'll put it up.

2078
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:21,600
Speaker 1: You know, how do you hang your rangefinder?

2079
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:24,599
Speaker 2: I've got the you know, the chest binos and then

2080
01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:29,960
Speaker 2: the rangefinder holds yeah, pouch, And so like, if he's

2081
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:33,200
Speaker 2: walking broadside, I'm going to click him, click and click

2082
01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:36,000
Speaker 2: him because I want to I need that exact for

2083
01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:38,920
Speaker 2: me to aim that small and focus that small in

2084
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:41,400
Speaker 2: my head. I need to know exactly how far he is. Right,

2085
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:44,559
Speaker 2: If you're like he's forty between forty and forty six,

2086
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:46,680
Speaker 2: it's very hard to aim an inch up in him.

2087
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:50,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, you're kind of pretending, right, you're aiming,

2088
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:50,519
Speaker 1: you know.

2089
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:53,280
Speaker 2: So for me, I mentally, I need to know, like

2090
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:56,959
Speaker 2: he's forty two point three. So I'm like, okay, I'm gonna.

2091
01:39:56,920 --> 01:39:58,240
Speaker 1: But are you shooting set pins?

2092
01:39:58,280 --> 01:40:00,679
Speaker 2: Then when you're hunting, you know, I got twenty thirty, forty,

2093
01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:02,720
Speaker 2: fifty sixty and then it's on a mover and I

2094
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:04,839
Speaker 2: use my bottom pin as the gotcha.

2095
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 1: So a lot of your shots you're shooting off pins?

2096
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:07,639
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2097
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:09,960
Speaker 1: And are you are you splitting gaps or yeah?

2098
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 2: You do? Yeah, yeah, And it's just a practice thing.

2099
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:16,160
Speaker 1: And explain gapping real quick for people who are listening.

2100
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:20,640
Speaker 2: So like, if you if he's fifty four yards and

2101
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:23,640
Speaker 2: you got a fifty and a sixty, you're splitting that

2102
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:26,599
Speaker 2: where an imaginary fifty four yard panalby. So you put

2103
01:40:26,640 --> 01:40:29,040
Speaker 2: your fifty high or sixty low and try to gap

2104
01:40:29,160 --> 01:40:32,479
Speaker 2: that where exactly where it needs to be. And that's

2105
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:34,599
Speaker 2: an art and that takes a lot of practice.

2106
01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:37,120
Speaker 1: This is it's another thing to think about, man, it is.

2107
01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:38,760
Speaker 2: So that's like one thing that you got to be

2108
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:40,320
Speaker 2: really in tune with your stuff.

2109
01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:43,000
Speaker 1: I was trying to get my kid a shot at

2110
01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:45,080
Speaker 1: a deer to syear at his bow this his first year,

2111
01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:51,240
Speaker 1: you know, And and I was just like a guy where, Okay,

2112
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:54,240
Speaker 1: we're not gonna shoot more than twenty, you know, and

2113
01:40:54,280 --> 01:40:56,439
Speaker 1: if you get a shot, like just that's the that's

2114
01:40:56,479 --> 01:40:57,560
Speaker 1: the thing, you know. And I feel like I was

2115
01:40:57,640 --> 01:40:59,720
Speaker 1: limiting and I was just trying to simplify it. Yeah, right,

2116
01:40:59,800 --> 01:41:01,360
Speaker 1: I was trying to simplify it. I'm like, it doesn't

2117
01:41:01,400 --> 01:41:05,400
Speaker 1: matter if I say, go, that's the green thing. Put

2118
01:41:05,439 --> 01:41:08,280
Speaker 1: it there. Don't worry about all this other because he

2119
01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:09,640
Speaker 1: likes to shoot the league. And I'm like, I just

2120
01:41:09,680 --> 01:41:10,680
Speaker 1: want you to put a lot of that out of

2121
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:13,360
Speaker 1: your head. Let's just try to practice on close shot,

2122
01:41:13,479 --> 01:41:14,200
Speaker 1: good shot, you know.

2123
01:41:14,360 --> 01:41:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a good thing. That's the same

2124
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:18,880
Speaker 2: way I'm doing with mine. We practiced out the thirty

2125
01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:20,840
Speaker 2: and I've got him like putting him in situations. But

2126
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:22,599
Speaker 2: I already told him. I said, if it's over twenty,

2127
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:23,920
Speaker 2: it's no go.

2128
01:41:24,200 --> 01:41:27,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. We sat down and I showed him, you know,

2129
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:30,160
Speaker 1: I was showing him like that that tree, if it's

2130
01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:32,559
Speaker 1: coming on that trail, that tree, not before that tree.

2131
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:35,360
Speaker 1: But that treat is time and it's the green bear

2132
01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:39,240
Speaker 1: or whatever. The just keep it simple.

2133
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:43,679
Speaker 4: I grew up with the compound, Yeah, real cheap one

2134
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:51,679
Speaker 4: started hunting with traditional bows. It's like so difficult. Recently

2135
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:55,040
Speaker 4: I had a I was given a compound and got

2136
01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:57,679
Speaker 4: it all set up. Holy cow.

2137
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:02,639
Speaker 1: Cow work. Did they work real good?

2138
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:07,960
Speaker 4: You know, especially having like it's a little definitely little

2139
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:11,960
Speaker 4: different mechanics, but having like good good mechanics and understanding

2140
01:42:12,040 --> 01:42:16,200
Speaker 4: back tension and things like that. Grabbing a compound and

2141
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:18,519
Speaker 4: then being able to wrap relax a little bit at

2142
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:20,439
Speaker 4: full draw was a big thing for me because I

2143
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:23,160
Speaker 4: was wanting to like rip it apart, rip it apart.

2144
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:26,720
Speaker 4: But like after that, like I was just like, you've

2145
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:27,599
Speaker 4: got to be kidding.

2146
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:33,280
Speaker 1: I have a long bow, dude, and and I haven't

2147
01:42:33,400 --> 01:42:35,840
Speaker 1: ruled out that someday. I'm like I put in a

2148
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:38,200
Speaker 1: PVC too with a cap on it and put it

2149
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:42,639
Speaker 1: deliberately like in like mental storage. And I've so many

2150
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:44,640
Speaker 1: times almost taken some of that stuff and put it

2151
01:42:44,680 --> 01:42:47,400
Speaker 1: on the free table here at work because someday you

2152
01:42:47,479 --> 01:42:49,400
Speaker 1: might return to it. But right now I just don't

2153
01:42:49,439 --> 01:42:54,559
Speaker 1: have the time, discipline, or dedication to do it. But someday,

2154
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:57,599
Speaker 1: I'm like, I could picture someday in my old man

2155
01:42:58,479 --> 01:43:01,040
Speaker 1: era picking that out and being like, all right, man,

2156
01:43:01,200 --> 01:43:03,040
Speaker 1: now we're gonna do it. I've been asked that a lot,

2157
01:43:03,240 --> 01:43:05,559
Speaker 1: like when are you gonna Didn't it too easy?

2158
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:10,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, nope, Like I do. I respect people to

2159
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:13,600
Speaker 2: do that because I'm like, I would be scared to

2160
01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:16,840
Speaker 2: death to take a long bow out for fun.

2161
01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:17,360
Speaker 3: I have.

2162
01:43:17,680 --> 01:43:21,040
Speaker 4: I'm not very good to be, to be honest with you,

2163
01:43:21,400 --> 01:43:24,880
Speaker 4: I've done it a long time, and the more I

2164
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:29,479
Speaker 4: do it, the more scared I get. Yeah with it,

2165
01:43:30,439 --> 01:43:34,080
Speaker 4: which sucks, But I've just seen a lot happen.

2166
01:43:34,160 --> 01:43:37,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's how that won a tournament with my longbow. No,

2167
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:40,120
Speaker 1: but in my age class it was only me and

2168
01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:41,240
Speaker 1: one other kid gotcha.

2169
01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:42,519
Speaker 2: Well, win's a win.

2170
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:45,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, It's just it was just like my brother, he

2171
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:48,839
Speaker 4: was the best in his in his uh sixth grade class.

2172
01:43:49,720 --> 01:43:53,040
Speaker 4: I beat this one boy, only one in his class.

2173
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:57,479
Speaker 2: They're fun to shoot, Yeah, I just man, And.

2174
01:43:57,520 --> 01:43:58,519
Speaker 4: There's a time and place.

2175
01:43:58,760 --> 01:43:58,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2176
01:43:59,439 --> 01:44:02,200
Speaker 1: Like, so what would happen to you if you went in?

2177
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:02,720
Speaker 4: Uh?

2178
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:04,840
Speaker 1: What would have happened to you if you, knowing what

2179
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:05,880
Speaker 1: you knew, went and shot?

2180
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:06,120
Speaker 9: Uh?

2181
01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:09,320
Speaker 1: Like Olympic style? Gosh, have you ever messled it?

2182
01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:10,000
Speaker 2: No?

2183
01:44:10,640 --> 01:44:10,840
Speaker 1: Never.

2184
01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:14,599
Speaker 2: Some of my good friends Brady Ellison probably the best

2185
01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:19,960
Speaker 2: American Olympic shooter there there ever was. I've hunted with him.

2186
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:21,960
Speaker 2: He's a great guy, but I'd have no idea where

2187
01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:22,360
Speaker 2: to start.

2188
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:24,240
Speaker 1: Recurve.

2189
01:44:24,400 --> 01:44:27,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, just a recurve with pins and fingers and clickers,

2190
01:44:27,400 --> 01:44:32,240
Speaker 2: and I just I got I got nothing. But he's unbelievable.

2191
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:33,960
Speaker 2: Like he shoots as good as a lot of the

2192
01:44:34,040 --> 01:44:36,280
Speaker 2: compound professionals with his recurve.

2193
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:37,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Is he a hunter?

2194
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:37,800
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2195
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:38,479
Speaker 1: What's he hunt with?

2196
01:44:39,080 --> 01:44:39,200
Speaker 9: Uh?

2197
01:44:39,479 --> 01:44:42,560
Speaker 2: He hunts with a compound, does he? Yeah? Yeah? And

2198
01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:46,120
Speaker 2: he can shoot with a compound like very well. Yeah,

2199
01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:48,439
Speaker 2: but he has to shoot like forty percent let off

2200
01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:51,640
Speaker 2: because he's so used to that. Oh the wall, the

2201
01:44:51,760 --> 01:44:55,040
Speaker 2: tension just building, is that right? Yeah? Whenever it like

2202
01:44:55,160 --> 01:44:56,320
Speaker 2: breaks over, it freaks him out.

2203
01:44:56,360 --> 01:44:57,639
Speaker 1: You can't jump from the one to the other.

2204
01:44:57,760 --> 01:45:00,680
Speaker 2: Huh Yeah, I mean maybe now time I shot with

2205
01:45:00,760 --> 01:45:01,519
Speaker 2: him is when I.

2206
01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:06,000
Speaker 4: Shot that bowl, that compound, I couldn't let it down.

2207
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:08,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had that much tension built.

2208
01:45:08,720 --> 01:45:11,280
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, it was like he's like let it down.

2209
01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:12,840
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know, like.

2210
01:45:14,920 --> 01:45:18,880
Speaker 1: Like it's like suspenseful.

2211
01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:19,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2212
01:45:19,479 --> 01:45:23,120
Speaker 1: Have you ever had Do you ever get jumpy from

2213
01:45:23,160 --> 01:45:26,840
Speaker 1: like gear malfunctions? No, like you have you have like

2214
01:45:26,960 --> 01:45:28,880
Speaker 1: the string junk the cam or like a problem with

2215
01:45:28,920 --> 01:45:30,720
Speaker 1: the release or whatever, then all of a sudden it's

2216
01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:32,519
Speaker 1: like some kind of like demon enters your head.

2217
01:45:32,600 --> 01:45:36,559
Speaker 2: I have with mostly with release malfunction, you know, stuff

2218
01:45:37,080 --> 01:45:39,599
Speaker 2: that's really big because it just takes you so much

2219
01:45:39,640 --> 01:45:42,519
Speaker 2: out of your shot process, and then every time you're

2220
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:44,639
Speaker 2: drawing the bow back for like the next hundred draws,

2221
01:45:44,680 --> 01:45:45,479
Speaker 2: you're thinking about it.

2222
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:47,519
Speaker 1: Yeah. I've had I've had that where I've had I've

2223
01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:49,519
Speaker 1: been rattled by it and a lot of self afflicted.

2224
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:52,120
Speaker 1: Like I had a bowl one time. I flew with

2225
01:45:52,240 --> 01:45:56,120
Speaker 1: it in a hard case, but I didn't even think

2226
01:45:56,160 --> 01:45:58,679
Speaker 1: to check it out. Yeah, and I had no idea,

2227
01:45:58,720 --> 01:46:00,400
Speaker 1: But I don't know what someone jumped up down on

2228
01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:02,439
Speaker 1: and drove a plane over it. I don't know, right, Yeah,

2229
01:46:02,640 --> 01:46:05,120
Speaker 1: just bent the hell out of the top the upper cam. Yeah,

2230
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:09,280
Speaker 1: pulled it back flop. Oh yeah, dude. It's just then

2231
01:46:09,320 --> 01:46:10,720
Speaker 1: you're like, well, I'll be living with that for a

2232
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:13,200
Speaker 1: long time. Like it's just so hard to like it

2233
01:46:13,320 --> 01:46:15,120
Speaker 1: is something in the back of your head doesn't trust

2234
01:46:15,160 --> 01:46:17,200
Speaker 1: the bow. Yeah, and you got to shoot through that.

2235
01:46:17,439 --> 01:46:19,360
Speaker 1: You know that stuff is that derails you?

2236
01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:19,559
Speaker 8: Man.

2237
01:46:19,840 --> 01:46:20,000
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2238
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:24,040
Speaker 2: I've been very lucky in tournaments to not or hunting, uh,

2239
01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:26,400
Speaker 2: to not have too much of that stuff going. I

2240
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:29,080
Speaker 2: did a major event one time have a release miss

2241
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:32,600
Speaker 2: malfunction and sent one down through the woods on the

2242
01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:35,720
Speaker 2: second target of the final day, and that was tough

2243
01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:38,320
Speaker 2: to recover from, was it? Yeah? I almost won the tournament,

2244
01:46:38,360 --> 01:46:42,560
Speaker 2: but it was It was just a tough mental obstacle

2245
01:46:42,680 --> 01:46:43,040
Speaker 2: like that.

2246
01:46:43,120 --> 01:46:43,960
Speaker 1: That aarrow cost you.

2247
01:46:44,040 --> 01:46:44,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it cost me.

2248
01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:45,759
Speaker 1: You'll get a mulligan.

2249
01:46:46,120 --> 01:46:49,840
Speaker 2: No, you move on, and I would. The funny thing

2250
01:46:50,040 --> 01:46:52,719
Speaker 2: was I was shooting with a so at the time,

2251
01:46:53,160 --> 01:46:55,400
Speaker 2: I was in a peer group, the top pier group,

2252
01:46:55,439 --> 01:47:00,240
Speaker 2: with the pro staff coordinator for that release company. When

2253
01:47:00,280 --> 01:47:02,560
Speaker 2: it shot, I couldn't even yell at the release or

2254
01:47:02,640 --> 01:47:04,519
Speaker 2: do anything. I just had to shove it down in

2255
01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:06,840
Speaker 2: my palch and get a new one and go to

2256
01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:07,439
Speaker 2: the next one.

2257
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:09,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's good.

2258
01:47:09,200 --> 01:47:12,639
Speaker 2: It's really the only time that's happened to me. Cost

2259
01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:13,320
Speaker 2: me big time.

2260
01:47:13,360 --> 01:47:15,719
Speaker 1: Anyway, You got any uh, you got any tournament shooters

2261
01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:16,839
Speaker 1: coming up next generation?

2262
01:47:17,120 --> 01:47:19,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, a ton of them, keeping those young guys

2263
01:47:19,920 --> 01:47:22,920
Speaker 2: beat down the hardest parts, putting doubts in their mind,

2264
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:23,800
Speaker 2: messing with.

2265
01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:26,559
Speaker 1: What I was referring to. It might be the same

2266
01:47:26,600 --> 01:47:28,080
Speaker 1: answer I was referring to your kids.

2267
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:32,360
Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't think so. My kid he literally

2268
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:33,840
Speaker 2: looked me right in the eye and said, I'm never

2269
01:47:33,880 --> 01:47:36,640
Speaker 2: gonna shoot tournaments. So like, okay, that's as clear as

2270
01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:37,320
Speaker 2: I needed, you know.

2271
01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:41,160
Speaker 1: But he HeLEX me outdoors the competitive fishing.

2272
01:47:41,280 --> 01:47:43,720
Speaker 2: He's he's the most competitive. My oldest is the most

2273
01:47:43,720 --> 01:47:46,439
Speaker 2: competitive human being. It's like I'm trying to work with

2274
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:49,800
Speaker 2: him because it's like, if like I beat him. There's

2275
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:52,320
Speaker 2: some videos that I should post of him at like

2276
01:47:52,439 --> 01:47:55,000
Speaker 2: five where I was like beat him at air hockey

2277
01:47:55,080 --> 01:47:57,519
Speaker 2: and he would lose his mind and I'd make him

2278
01:47:57,560 --> 01:48:00,120
Speaker 2: shake my hand and tell me good job, and he

2279
01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:02,040
Speaker 2: did not want to do it, Like really.

2280
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:02,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2281
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:05,240
Speaker 2: He was like, like, you're gonna shake my hand and

2282
01:48:05,320 --> 01:48:07,080
Speaker 2: look me in the eyes, you know that kind of stuff.

2283
01:48:07,120 --> 01:48:10,600
Speaker 2: But he's a baseball kid right now. Loves it and

2284
01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:15,080
Speaker 2: he loves the bass fish so bess fish. Yeah, loves it.

2285
01:48:15,400 --> 01:48:17,760
Speaker 2: So he'll get up at four am every day to

2286
01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:18,519
Speaker 2: go bass fish.

2287
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:23,000
Speaker 1: So that's cool. Yeah, art now, or what do you

2288
01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:23,679
Speaker 1: try your kids?

2289
01:48:24,240 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 2: I got eleven, one's about to turn six. Then I've

2290
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:29,760
Speaker 2: got eighteen month old little girl and then a four

2291
01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:33,160
Speaker 2: month old little boy, So I don't know with my

2292
01:48:34,120 --> 01:48:37,840
Speaker 2: My six year old is just wild. He says he

2293
01:48:37,880 --> 01:48:40,280
Speaker 2: wants to hunt, but he won't practice. He's just that kid.

2294
01:48:40,439 --> 01:48:40,639
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2295
01:48:41,880 --> 01:48:44,320
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, it's hard. It's hard to picture what in practice.

2296
01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:47,880
Speaker 2: And it's so funny how different they are. But he's

2297
01:48:48,040 --> 01:48:49,439
Speaker 2: he's my comedian for sure.

2298
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:50,320
Speaker 1: That's good.

2299
01:48:50,479 --> 01:48:50,679
Speaker 9: Yeah.

2300
01:48:50,920 --> 01:48:52,800
Speaker 1: Well, tell people how to find you, how to check

2301
01:48:52,840 --> 01:48:55,040
Speaker 1: out your stuff, how to find you on social media whatever.

2302
01:48:55,320 --> 01:48:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. I am on Instagram mostly bow Life, Underscore Levi.

2303
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:03,320
Speaker 2: We have a showing the outdoor channel bow Life, and

2304
01:49:03,439 --> 01:49:05,360
Speaker 2: then we're doing a lot of stuff on YouTube now

2305
01:49:05,439 --> 01:49:07,920
Speaker 2: on Levi on Morgan YouTube and the Levi on Morgan

2306
01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:10,800
Speaker 2: dot Com. Uh and that's pretty much all the places.

2307
01:49:10,520 --> 01:49:12,920
Speaker 1: I will be and you can shoot tournaments next year.

2308
01:49:13,400 --> 01:49:15,720
Speaker 2: That's the plan. I haven't quit yet, No, not yet,

2309
01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:19,639
Speaker 2: not yet. I'm gonna I still don't feel finished quite yet.

2310
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:23,320
Speaker 1: How many, like, at what point? At what year mark

2311
01:49:23,400 --> 01:49:26,639
Speaker 1: are you undecided? You know what I'm saying? Five forty years?

2312
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:29,120
Speaker 2: You know, I wanted to be done by forty, okay,

2313
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:31,360
Speaker 2: just because the age of my kids will be and

2314
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:33,960
Speaker 2: I've just been gone a lot and I just want

2315
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:36,439
Speaker 2: to be there with my kids. Yeah, during that span

2316
01:49:36,479 --> 01:49:38,800
Speaker 2: because I shoot like seventeen major events a year, so

2317
01:49:39,080 --> 01:49:41,840
Speaker 2: it's a lot. And this last trip that I left

2318
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:44,519
Speaker 2: just gets harder every time. You know, my eleven year

2319
01:49:44,520 --> 01:49:47,639
Speaker 2: old ball and his eyes out and it was just tough.

2320
01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:49,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't do that stuff, man, It's hard. It

2321
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:50,400
Speaker 1: takes a toll on you, man.

2322
01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:53,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I sat in the driveway crying myself for

2323
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:55,200
Speaker 2: like an hour, like what am I doing? So I

2324
01:49:55,280 --> 01:49:57,240
Speaker 2: don't know how much? Literally, you know, I love the

2325
01:49:57,360 --> 01:49:59,840
Speaker 2: competitiveness of it, but at some points, like how many

2326
01:50:00,040 --> 01:50:03,080
Speaker 2: you need to win? And before you know, I just

2327
01:50:03,120 --> 01:50:05,080
Speaker 2: want to I don't want to be that dad that's gone.

2328
01:50:05,560 --> 01:50:07,639
Speaker 1: Being gone's tough. Man, if you have, like, we run

2329
01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:10,160
Speaker 1: like a tight program at my house, and so I

2330
01:50:10,360 --> 01:50:12,519
Speaker 1: like when I'm gone, I'm not worried. Yeah you know

2331
01:50:12,560 --> 01:50:14,479
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I'm not worried about what's going on.

2332
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:14,680
Speaker 3: Right.

2333
01:50:14,720 --> 01:50:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I said, it's a tight show. Yeah, like very

2334
01:50:17,040 --> 01:50:19,960
Speaker 1: controlled program. But it's just nice to be home.

2335
01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:21,880
Speaker 2: It is nice. Yeah, it's nice.

2336
01:50:22,600 --> 01:50:24,960
Speaker 4: I'm just starting to get a taste of that.

2337
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:28,639
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's not like you're worried. I'm not like worried.

2338
01:50:28,720 --> 01:50:30,120
Speaker 1: It's just like I want, like I just want to

2339
01:50:30,200 --> 01:50:33,080
Speaker 1: be Yeah, exactly, face you want to be part of

2340
01:50:33,120 --> 01:50:33,439
Speaker 1: the mix.

2341
01:50:33,560 --> 01:50:35,519
Speaker 2: Man you have how old?

2342
01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:36,599
Speaker 1: Just got a brand new one.

2343
01:50:37,200 --> 01:50:40,679
Speaker 4: He's going to be a year October nineteenth. He looks

2344
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:43,680
Speaker 4: he's a tiny little bugger. Yeah, he's actually here in

2345
01:50:43,800 --> 01:50:46,840
Speaker 4: the office right now. We got to make things work.

2346
01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:50,200
Speaker 4: I just left him in my office.

2347
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:52,160
Speaker 2: There.

2348
01:50:53,960 --> 01:50:54,160
Speaker 8: Yeah.

2349
01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:56,560
Speaker 2: I remember like when when Landa was a baby, I

2350
01:50:56,640 --> 01:50:58,680
Speaker 2: was like, this isn't too bad. It's hurt, but when

2351
01:50:58,720 --> 01:51:02,000
Speaker 2: they start crying when you leave, that's the heart that's

2352
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:02,679
Speaker 2: the hardest.

2353
01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:05,880
Speaker 4: Where he doesn't quite Yeah, you're almost there.

2354
01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:08,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's not stand on the sad.

2355
01:51:08,840 --> 01:51:10,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, for sure, I do get to go

2356
01:51:10,960 --> 01:51:12,519
Speaker 2: home today. So that's that's a good note.

2357
01:51:12,880 --> 01:51:15,519
Speaker 1: Uh well, Nick, thanks coming on, man, my pleasure to think.

2358
01:51:15,720 --> 01:51:17,559
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, coming on. Talking about the movie Wild

2359
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:19,960
Speaker 1: Tale and Levia. Thanks for coming on.

2360
01:51:20,160 --> 01:51:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me.

2361
01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:22,840
Speaker 1: Right, I'm gonna hit you up about that live show.

2362
01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:27,360
Speaker 1: I'll be there all right, shooting. Let's check on the

2363
01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:27,920
Speaker 1: shooting part.

2364
01:51:28,200 --> 01:51:30,040
Speaker 2: I'll take a ticket. It's been a while, it's Pittsburgh.

2365
01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:30,639
Speaker 3: Anything goes.

2366
01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:33,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got a guy, we got a tour man

2367
01:51:33,479 --> 01:51:37,200
Speaker 1: trying to ask were having someone shot a boat. We'll

2368
01:51:37,240 --> 01:51:39,200
Speaker 1: figure it off. Not you just have to talk or

2369
01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:41,920
Speaker 1: your poetry you'll all be written in arrows. We'll find out.

2370
01:51:42,040 --> 01:51:44,480
Speaker 1: That's fine, all right, Thanks man, Thanks everybody.

2371
01:51:56,760 --> 01:52:09,400
Speaker 9: See you Gray shot unlike Silver in the Sun. Ride, Ride,

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Speaker 9: Ride on, alot of Sweetheart.

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Speaker 4: We're done beat this damn horse to death, so taking

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Speaker 4: a new one and ride.

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Speaker 9: We're done beat this damn horse today, so take a

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Speaker 9: new one and ride on.