1 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: From Meat Eaters World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This 2 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: is Cow's Week in Review with Ryan cow Calahan. Here's 3 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: cal The birds are chirping, the days are getting longer, 4 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: and the weather is warming up. If you don't live 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: in Montana, that can only mean one thing. It's that 6 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: time of year when your anglers get yelled at by 7 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: adults who, as the kids say, these days have no chill. 8 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: No chill whatsoever. 9 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 2: What killed the dinosaurs, guys. 10 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 1: The latest example comes from where else, Florida, where a 11 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: railroad police officer was caught on camera snapping the fishing 12 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: poles of two anglers near the town of Tease or Tice. 13 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: The teenagers were casting their lines into a river from 14 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: a railroad bridge that's part of an active rail line. 15 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: Fishing from the bridge is ill eagle not to mention dangerous, 16 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: though they weren't the only ones to do so. In 17 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 1: the video, the officer can be seen handing a backpack 18 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: to one of the boys as he grabs the fishing 19 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: pole from the other, snaps the rodden half, throws it 20 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: in the river, and pulls the boy off the bridge 21 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: by his arm. The boys weren't handcuffed for about ten minutes, 22 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: but ultimately just given a trespassing warning. You shouldn't trespass fish, 23 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: and that officer had every right to get those boys 24 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: off the bridge. I'm sure it's job depended on it, 25 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: but breaking their fishing poles struck many, including myself, as 26 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: a bridge too far. That's why a local nonprofit out 27 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: of Tampa Bay is about to replace the boys fishing gear. 28 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: So I guess that's something This week, We've got the 29 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: FEDS legislation dogs in North Carolina ELK. But first I'm 30 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: going to tell you about my week, and I am 31 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: just going to make this short. Public lands and access 32 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: to them are on my mind. Every walk I take 33 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: every day is on public lands. Snort is tracking sent 34 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: through the snow that's piling up here in Montana on 35 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: public ground. It's a joy to watch every time. You 36 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: don't have to use this stuff, but you do need 37 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: to let your elected officials know you care about it. 38 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: It's working for you all the time, even if you're 39 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: not out living on it or recreating on it or 40 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: making a living on it. Specifically, get a hold of 41 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: Dan Sullivan of Alaska, who says the idea of selling 42 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: public lands is great Bruce Westerman of Arkansas, who has 43 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: actually been on this here podcast. He's a forester. I 44 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: think he's got a good head on his shoulders, but 45 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: he needs some support from all of us public land 46 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: to advocates and people who just generally like good old 47 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: American freedom. Writ in Old Bruce and tell him that 48 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: every acre is important. Likewise, Senator Hoven in North Dakota, 49 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: who recently said Montana people just think differently about public lands. 50 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: If you feel slighted when you hear that in North dakotins, 51 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: and I know a lot of you do, because you 52 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: hunt on public lands, and you travel and camp on 53 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: public lands, and even though you don't have a lot 54 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: of federally managed public lands in your state, you go 55 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: to states that do have them, and you enjoy that 56 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: stuff being there, even if you don't use it. Every year, 57 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: You folks and everybody else, please write in to John 58 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: Hooven in North Dakota and let that fellow know that 59 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: you think very highly of your public lands, just like 60 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: the Montana kids do. This is very real right now. 61 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: It's happening. It's not hyperbole, okay, gang, It's really happening 62 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: right now. Your elected officials are trying to wade through 63 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: this stuff. They need your support in letting them know 64 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 1: how to do the right thing. Don't give up on 65 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: our public lands. Moving on to the Washington d C desk, 66 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: we're going to start with some good news. US Fish 67 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: and Wildlife Service announced it would rehire fired probationary employees 68 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: and pay their back pay. The announcement comes on the 69 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: heels of a decision by a US District Court judge 70 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: who found that the mass layoffs were illegal. The Trump 71 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: administration appealed the case to the ninth US Circuit Court 72 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 1: of Appeals, but that court refused to halt the order. 73 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure the Trump administration will appeal the ruling up 74 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: to the Supreme Court, but for now, thousands of fired 75 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: public lands employees have their jobs back, along with all 76 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 1: the paychecks they missed. That's especially good news for a 77 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: program that we've talked about here previously our interview with 78 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: Doug Austin of the American Fisheries Society. He mentioned a 79 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 1: sea lamprey control program on the Great Lakes staffed by 80 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,799 Speaker 1: US Fish and Wildlife Service employees. Many of these employees 81 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: got fired in the mass layoffs and Great Lakes anglers 82 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: worried that sea lampreys would be allowed to once again 83 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: spread out of control. This recent announcement from the Fishing 84 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: Wildlife Service means the program should be adequately staffed. Additionally, 85 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: water fowlers, the refuge system administered by US Fish and 86 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: Wildlife Service is exactly where your duck stamp dollars go. 87 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: For longtime listeners, you may recall several instances of understaffed, 88 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: underfunded refuges having to shut down or partially shut down 89 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 1: hunter access prior to this. This reversal should be a 90 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: win for migratory birds and migratory bird hunters. In less 91 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: good news, the Department of Interior is releasing details about 92 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,119 Speaker 1: a plan we covered last week that aims to build 93 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: so called affordable housing on public land. In an interview 94 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: with Bloomberg Law, BLM Acting Director John Raby said the 95 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: agency has identified four hundred thousand acres four potential housing projects. 96 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: He said they're looking at all federal lands within a 97 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 1: radius of ten miles of cities and towns with populations 98 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: greater than five thousand people. The BLM manages about two 99 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: hundred and forty five million acres, so that's a pretty 100 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: small percentage of that total. Raby also clarified that the 101 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: plan does not call for lands to be divested. Instead, 102 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: he said, quote, it's an opportunity for us to do 103 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: something meaningful that will address really big challenges we have. 104 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: This is largely what public land advocates expected when Interior 105 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: Secretary Doug Burgham announced the plan last month. No one 106 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: wants to see residential neighborhoods in the middle of the 107 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: national parks. At the same time, towns with populations of 108 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: five thousand people aren't exactly major metropolitan areas. Hunters and 109 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: anglers should keep both eyes open as specific parcels are 110 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: proposed for housing sites. Burgham's announcement was about more than 111 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: just identifying and building on public land using the normal process. 112 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: He wants to see the process streamlined, which could mean 113 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: less public input, and, as we covered the previous week, 114 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: could also mean not going through the typical land evaluation 115 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: process that lets the American people know what they're losing. 116 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: That's why we really need to be tracking, and that's 117 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: exactly what we'll be doing here on Cows. We can review. 118 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: Every taxpayer should be invested and concerned over the use 119 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: of any acre of public land. On the chopping block. 120 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: The four hundred thousand acres in question have gone through 121 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: both NIPA National Environment Policy Act and the Federal Land 122 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: Policy Management Act, which the combination of the two are 123 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: basically an assessment of the ground which determines its ecological 124 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: value and value to the American people and FLIPMA. Federal 125 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: Land Policy Management Act is the mechanism which provides the 126 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: structure and outline for selecting ground to be sold. Broad terms, 127 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: but basically it now, we the American people, know this 128 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: is happening. It's going to happen. What we need to do. 129 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,119 Speaker 1: Our job is to demand to know how it's going 130 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: to be used, how the land is going to be 131 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: used to best serve the American people, minus fraud, abuse, 132 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: and of course with efficiency. What is being done to 133 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: maximize this round of disposal to prevent the next round 134 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: from happening? And friends and neighbors, you better believe that 135 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: the next round of land sales is being planned right 136 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: now before this one's out of the game. All fingers 137 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: pointing at our buddy Mike Lee for that. It's a 138 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: good time to remind you that since the inception of 139 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: National Forests, public lands, people and organized interests have wanted 140 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: those lands, and since the very beginning they've used the 141 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: exact same excuses that we're getting right now. Nothing's really changed, 142 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: nothing will change in the future, which is why we 143 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: need to demand proper guidelines, proper systems to say, Okay, 144 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 1: if you get this right now, what are you going 145 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: to do to maximize this and prevent this so called 146 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: need from arising again? And we're not getting that, not 147 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: from any one of these politicians. They haven't even defined 148 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: affordable housing median income home here in the Greater bos 149 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: Angelis metropolitan Area nine and forty nine thousand dollars, that 150 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: is affordable housing for a certain group of individuals. Right. 151 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: It is absolutely not affordable housing for me or anybody 152 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: I know. That's just one example of why we have 153 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: got to ask some questions or else the floodgates are 154 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: going to open and we're just going to lose more 155 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: than we should. Moving on to the legislation desk, and 156 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 1: Michigan lawmaker is proposing a bill that would require a 157 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: game warden to get a warrant before entering private property. 158 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 1: HB four zero seven to three was proposed by State Rep. 159 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: Dave Preston of the Central Upper Peninsula. He says his 160 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: constituents have complained to him about game wardens entering their 161 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: properties without permission, and he wants to see that end. 162 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: Current law follows the open fields doctrine, which should sound 163 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: familiar to regular listeners of this show. The open fields 164 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: doctrine allows law enforcement to search someone's property outside that 165 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: property owner's curtilage, which is the area immediately surrounding the home. 166 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: The Supreme Court has ruled these searches do not violate 167 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: the Fourth Amendment. Game Wardens also have a special need 168 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: to enter private property, since wildlife is owned by the public, 169 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: not the landowner. Michigan House Bill for zero seven three 170 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: would change that. In the Minton State. It would require 171 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: game wardens to obtain a warrant to enter private property 172 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 1: in all but two cases, if the game wardens believe 173 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: delaying a search would result in the destruction of evidence 174 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: or an individual will be endangered, or if they are 175 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: in hot pursuit of a criminal. This bill is currently 176 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: before the Committee on Natural Resources and Tourism. Over in Illinois, 177 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: House Bill eighteen seventy three would be an enormous win 178 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: for access, specifically water access in the Land of Lincoln. 179 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: This bill would make it so that any segment of 180 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: a lake, river, or stream that is capable of supporting 181 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: use by commercial or recreational watercraft for a substantial part 182 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: of the year will be open to public access and use. 183 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: These public uses include boating, tubing, fishing, swimming, and waiting. 184 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 1: Many other states have similar laws on the books, but 185 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: Illinois isn't one of them. If you live in Illinois 186 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: or like to fish there, give your state legislators a call. 187 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: Thanks to Colton Boomgarden for sending this one in a bill. 188 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:07,719 Speaker 1: In Oklahoma, it would allow the Department of Wildlife and 189 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: Conservation to issue five mounta lion tags per year via raffle. 190 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: Is currently illegal to hunt mounta lions in the state, 191 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: though residents can kill them if they are damaging property 192 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: or livestock. A hunting season might sound like a good idea, 193 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: but it's unclear right now whether these five permit holders 194 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: would have any cats to hunt. There have been only 195 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: eighty one confirmed mountain lion sightings in the Sooner state 196 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: since two thousand and two, which, for those counting, is 197 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: only about three and a half sightings on average per year. 198 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: The Department of Wildlife conservations say that these sightings are 199 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: of loan individuals and there is no evidence of a 200 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: viable breeding population. I'm not sure what's motivating this bill, 201 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: but it's enjoyed plenty of support. Senate Bill one zero 202 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: seven to three past the Senate by a wide margin 203 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: and has not yet been assigned to a House committee. 204 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: The Washington State Department of Fishing Wildlife just adopted a 205 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: new set of rules that outlaw hunting over bait for elk, deer, 206 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: and moose. Current rags allow hunters to use bait as 207 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: long as the amount of bait accessible to wildlife does 208 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: not exceed ten gallons and is more than two hundred 209 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: yards from another known bait site. But these new rules 210 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: outlaw baiting entirely, including the use of scent lures. In 211 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,719 Speaker 1: an announcement, the department said that the new rules are 212 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: necessary to slow the spread of chronic wasting disease. CWD 213 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: was first detected in eastern Washington eight months ago, but 214 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: the baiting ban applies statewide, the department said quote even 215 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: though CWD has only currently been detected in eastern Washington, 216 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: the state wide bands prevent undetected diseased outbreaks from spreading 217 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: between populations. Research has proven that CWD spreads more quickly 218 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 1: when animals congregate together, which is what the baiting ban 219 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: is designed to mitigate. Along with the baiting ban, the 220 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: agency has also adopted new restrictions on moving carcasses, and 221 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: hunters will be required to get their deer, elk, and 222 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: moose tested for CWD if they're harvested in the eastern 223 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: region of the state. Scanning through the public comments on 224 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: this proposal, it looks like Washingtonians are split. There are 225 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: plenty of non hunters who support the rule and criticize 226 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: anyone who uses bait to hunt. There are also some 227 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: hunters who voice support and said some versions of I 228 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: don't need debate to kill an animal, but some also 229 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: oppose the rule. I read a comment from someone who 230 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: claimed to be a disabled VET saying that baiting allows 231 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: him to hunt even though he isn't able to hike 232 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: through the woods. Others wondered why the band needs to 233 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 1: be statewide when CWD has only been detected in small areas. Still, 234 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: others voice suspicion that this rule is just another way 235 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: Washington State Wildlife officials are trying to limit hunting. But 236 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: whatever you think about a baiting ban, it's too late 237 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: to change it. The new restrictions will take effect April 238 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: twenty fourth. Last one for you. A few weeks ago, 239 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 1: I told you about a new bill passed by the 240 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: Utah legislature that would increase non resident hunting license fees 241 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: by as much as one hundred percent. It's true that 242 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: the tables included in the budget bill did not call 243 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: for those kinds of increases, but the Utah Division of 244 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: Wildlife Resources is saying not so fast. In an email 245 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: sent to members of the media, the agency claims that 246 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: non resident fees are not actually being increased by that much. 247 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: For example, non resident three hundred and sixty five day 248 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: phishing licenses will increase from ninety four dollars to one 249 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty dollars for adults, and combination licenses will 250 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: go from one to fifty to one ninety for adults. 251 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: That's good news for non resident hunters, but some of 252 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: the increases will be more significant. The agency admitted that 253 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: non resident buck deer permits for general season hunts will 254 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: increase from four hundred and eighteen dollars to five hundred 255 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: ninety nine dollars and limited entry permits will increase from 256 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: six hundred and seventy dollars to one thousand, seventy dollars. 257 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: Non resident bowl elk permits for general season hunts will 258 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: increase from six hundred and thirteen dollars to eight hundred 259 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: and forty nine dollars, and limited entry permits will increase 260 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 1: from one thousand fifty to one thousand, nine hundred and 261 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: fifty the Department of Wildlife Resources. He's also highlighted another 262 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: bill the legislature passed to put further restrictions on hunting guides. 263 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: What stuck out to me is the creation of a 264 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: new guide category called a spotter. A spotter will have 265 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: to be licensed and pay a fee to the Department 266 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: of Wildlife Resources, and includes anyone who is quote compensated 267 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: by a guide or outfitter to locate or monitor the 268 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: location of protected wildlife on public land. For those of 269 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: you who don't know, for high dollar tags big old narley, mule, deer, 270 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: el sheep, certainly, it has become quite common to have 271 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: a moderate to large force of people who are not 272 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: guiding the hunter out in the woods, mountains, fields, spotting 273 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: for specific trophy class animals. Yeah, I have my own opinions. 274 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: I would love it if folks who have more experience 275 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: with this would write in askcl at the Meat Eater 276 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: dot com. I'd love to get you on the show 277 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: to talk this through. So this bill also limits how 278 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: many spotters you can have in the field, and I 279 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: think that's very telling of what the public thinks of 280 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: this practice. Moving on to the Canine crime Desk, I 281 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: recently received an email from listener Paul McCallister about a 282 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: sad story of a couple of hound dogs here in Montana. 283 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: A houndsman in the Paradise Valley recently lost two of 284 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: his walker hounds, Boone and Boone was eleven years old 285 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: and Bandit was nine. They were last seen on a 286 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: trailhead all the way back in January. Their owner posted 287 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: on social media asking for the public's help finding them, 288 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: and tons of people got involved, including lost pet groups 289 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 1: from across the country. Then two months later, the owners 290 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: received a call about a walker hound's body that was 291 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: found in a nearby river. The dog turned out to 292 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: be Bandit, and his owner was shocked to discover that 293 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: he had a gunshot wound. Looks like someone shot the 294 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: dog and threw him in the river. He assumes that 295 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: Boone met the same fate, but that dog has not 296 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: yet been found. Now they're trying to find the person 297 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: who did this. For you, local folks. The dogs went 298 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: missing on Old Yellowstone Trail Road at the Sphinx Creek 299 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: trailhead south of tom Minor. Anyone with information should call 300 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: Park County Sheriff's Deputy Mark Taylor. Four six two two 301 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: two four one seven two. Let's see if we can 302 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: figure out who's responsible. Won't bring those dogs back, but 303 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: at least the family can get a little closure. Moving 304 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: on to the confirmation desk, the US Senate held confirmation 305 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: hearings last week for President Trump's pick to lead the 306 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: US Fish and Wildlife Service, Brian Nesvick. Took questions from 307 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 1: senators and tried to convince them that he's the man 308 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: to lead the Fish and Wildlife Service as its nineteenth director. 309 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: Neswick has worked for the Wyoming Game and Fish Department 310 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: for the last thirty years. He served as a Regional 311 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: Wildlife Supervisor in chief Game Warden, and was elevated to 312 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 1: lead the agency in twenty nineteen. In his statement to 313 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: the Senate Committee on Environment and Public works. He characterized 314 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: himself as an experienced leader who would fit right in 315 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: among the eight thousand wildlife professionals who served US Fish 316 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: and Wildlife Service. 317 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 2: I know how to put tire chains on a four 318 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: wheel drive pickup in a snowstorm, how to classify deer 319 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 2: from a helicopter, and how to patrol some of America's 320 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 2: most remote and wild country from a horse. 321 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: And I know how to lead. 322 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: Every day, I will lead the employees of the Fish 323 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 2: and Wildlife Service. I know firsthand the dedication of these 324 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 2: incredible people to their profession and their country. If confirmed, 325 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 2: I will execute my charge decisively and work every day 326 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 2: to provide the men and women of the Service with 327 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 2: the leadership that they deserve and the American people expect. 328 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: Nesbeck also highlighted some of his proudest accomplishments at the 329 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: Wyoming Game and Fish Department, one of which was his 330 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: work with endangered species. 331 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 2: I'm proud of my work on big game migration corridors, 332 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,239 Speaker 2: protecting my state from the scourge of invasive species, and 333 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 2: working with the public and talented wildlife managers to recover 334 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 2: species listed under the ESSA. 335 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: One of Nesvik's most headlined grabbing comments came in relation 336 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: to Trump's America First agenda. Rather than characterizing that agenda 337 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: as at odds with protecting wildlife and habitat, he sees 338 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: those things as working hand in hand. 339 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 2: President Trump's America First Agenda includes building a government that 340 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 2: better serves the citizens of our country, and there are 341 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 2: immediate and transformational opportunities to demonstrate that, improving the service's 342 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 2: interactions with the public, simplifying regulations, accelerating permitting with technology, 343 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 2: and relying more on education, voluntary compliance, and verification. 344 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: Whether Nesvick can be an effective defender of wildlife and 345 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: ecosystems in an administration bent on cutting costs seems to 346 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: depend on who you ask. The Center for Biological Diversity 347 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 1: says Nesvick has a quote extreme record on wildlife issues. 348 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: They slam him for not coming down hard enough on 349 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: a man who illegally captured a wolf in twenty twenty 350 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: four and showed it off at a local bar. They 351 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,959 Speaker 1: see Nesvick's nomination as an attack on Wolve's, grizzlies and 352 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: other endangered species, and they use his membership in the 353 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: Wyoming stock Rowers' Association as evidence for this. The other hand, 354 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: Nesvik is seeing support not just from groups aligned with 355 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 1: the Trump agenda. The National autobund Society praised Neswick as 356 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: an experienced leader who has shown his dedication to wildlife conservation. 357 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: Mike Lahey of the National Wildlife Federation said his organization 358 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 1: quote looks forward to working with Neswick to support and 359 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,959 Speaker 1: fund the professionals at the US Fish and Wildlife Service 360 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: and the National Wildlife Refuge System as they continue to 361 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 1: pursue a science based, collaborative approach to recovering imperiled species. 362 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: Thanks in part to this broad basis support, Politico's E 363 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 1: and E News reports that Neswick's nomination is a foregone conclusion. 364 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: As you might already know depending on when you listen 365 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: to this episode, he'll likely earn support from both Republicans 366 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: and Democrats, and I hope he'll earn that trust as 367 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: a defender of wildlife and public lands. We'd love to 368 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: get him on the podcast, so if anyone out there 369 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: can connect me, let's line it up. Moving on to 370 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: the gear desk, we often think of complicated honey gear 371 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: as a modern problem. If we could only get back 372 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 1: to the way our ancestors did it, we'd go out 373 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: in the field with nothing more than a spear and 374 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: a loincloth man. Those were the days. Well, a new 375 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 1: study from Texas has thrown some cold water on that 376 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: romantic notion. They're in Big Ben National Park archaeologists have 377 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 1: unearthed what they believe could be the oldest intact full 378 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,360 Speaker 1: weapon system in North America. Rather than just a few 379 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: stone points, this site turned up an entire hunting kit, 380 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 1: which they estimate is about six thousand years old. What 381 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: kind of gear was this prehistoric prong horn hunter toting 382 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: around the team of researchers found four dart knock ends 383 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,719 Speaker 1: that fit against an ancient spear throwing device known as 384 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: an addleaddle. They found a straight flying boomerang, six stone 385 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: tipped for shafts to connect napped stone points to the addleaddle, 386 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: four hardwood four shafts possibly used to deliver poison, and 387 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: a partial at laddle. They also found human feces and 388 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: a folded, tanned prong horned hide with hair still intact. 389 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: Whoever went into that cave folded that hide and put 390 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: it on a rock and nobody touched it for six 391 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: thousand years, which is insane. I don't know why the 392 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: researchers think this represents a complete hunting kit. If hunters 393 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: six millennia ago or anything like hunters today, they were 394 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: never really satisfied with what they had. They were always 395 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: looking for ways to get something a little better, whether 396 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: that meant upgrading their tools or weapons, or getting rid 397 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: of that stuff that wasn't really necessary. But whatever the 398 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: case may be, it's cool to think of that prehistoric 399 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: human sitting in that cave taking stock of his gear 400 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: and dreaming about the next prong horn hide to add 401 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: to his collection. Fun fact for you, you longtime listeners, 402 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: know this fossilized feces is a copper light. I'm getting 403 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: too over this shit to the news fat. Moving on 404 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: to the North Carolina elk desk. For the first time 405 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: in modern history, North Carolinians might get a chance to 406 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: go out and legally harvest an elk. House Built three 407 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: eighty two would allow the North Carolina Wildlife Resource Commission 408 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: to establish an elk hunting season and issue two permets 409 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: by raffle and auction for the twenty twenty six hunting season. 410 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: In March twenty five, House Bill three eighty two was 411 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: reported favorably by the North Carolina Wildlife Resource Committee and 412 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: is now headed to the House of Representatives for further consideration. 413 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: They're only able to consider an elk season thanks to 414 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: decades of hard work by wildlife officials and volunteers alike. 415 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: After being totally extirpated from North Carolina, the state Wildlife 416 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: Resource Commission estimates that they are around two hundred and 417 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: fifty elk roaming in a few southern Appalachian counties. This 418 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,919 Speaker 1: is enough to sustain a small hunt, which would increase 419 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: the visibility and funding for continued conservation efforts. This, by 420 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: the way, is one of the reasons these small hunts 421 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: are called Even for small populations of game animals, the 422 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: hunts generate tons of attention, which in turn generates more 423 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: money to keep growing these populations. Anyway, that work will 424 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 1: continue reintroduction efforts that began over twenty years ago. That's 425 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: when the National Park Service reintroduced elk from Canada to 426 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 1: the Great Smoky Mountains, and the experiment was deemed a 427 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: success in two thousand and eight. This bill passes, North 428 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 1: Carolina will join Tennessee, which raffled nineteen elk hunting permits 429 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: this year, in Virginia, which raffled five. That's all I 430 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: got for you, this week, remember to write in to 431 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: ask cl that's Ascal at the meteater dot com and 432 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: let me know what's going on your neck of the woods. 433 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: You know we appreciate it. More importantly, get familiar with 434 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: your elected officials and their staff right in email, call 435 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: say what's happening. You can always give them the old 436 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: compliment sandwich. Love what you're doing here. You really need 437 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: to work on this. And by the way, thanks for 438 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: doing this. I owe a couple of phone calls to 439 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: Steve Danes and Ryan Zinky here in Montana for being 440 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: on the record not in support of public land sales. 441 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: Gotta get that done, all right. That's all I got 442 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: for you. Thank you so much and we'll talk to 443 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: you next week.