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Speaker 1: a Year. Warning. This episode contains spoilers for Hawkeye episodes
Speaker 1: two and three, as well as a lot of informed
Speaker 1: conjecture about what might happen later on in the season,
Speaker 1: and some discussion of some comics information related to Hawkeye
Speaker 1: that could possibly give hints about where the series is going,
Speaker 1: but not a terribly a lot of that, but a
Speaker 1: little of that, So just be warned, and definitely if
Speaker 1: you haven't seen episode three of Hawkey, which is fantastic,
Speaker 1: watch it now before you listen to this. Hello, my
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Speaker 1: The Crooked Podcast, where we dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics,
Speaker 1: and pop culture and more. In today's episode, we're gonna
Speaker 1: be recapping and talking about episodes two and the excellent
Speaker 1: third episode of the show Hawkeye with our good friend
Speaker 1: Cody Ziggler. In the omnibus section, we'll be talking about
Speaker 1: organized crime in Marvel Comics. In the end game, yet
Speaker 1: another game of assembly required. Let's go. Let's start with
Speaker 1: episode two of Hawkeye hide and Seek, director by Rhys Thomas,
Speaker 1: written by Eliza Clement. It opens right on the heels
Speaker 1: of episode one. Clint drags Kate Bishop, who had recently
Speaker 1: rescued from the Tracksuit Mafia and who is wearing his
Speaker 1: old ron in costume that is evidence in multiple murders
Speaker 1: across multiple international jurisdictions, into an alley, and he doesn't unmasking,
Speaker 1: and he immediately says, come on because he sees before
Speaker 1: him a nine year old.
Speaker 2: Girl too happy to be in the superhero life.
Speaker 1: Yes, Kate naturally is you know, a little discombobulated. She
Speaker 1: has just once again fought a bunch of organized crime figures.
Speaker 1: She recently saw the corpse of her mother's fiances uncle.
Speaker 2: We're that rich. The math of the family becomes very difficult.
Speaker 1: Yes, And now she is meeting her hero, you know,
Speaker 1: all in the space in a few minutes. She has
Speaker 1: spent years study Clint from afar. Now she's like seeing
Speaker 1: them up close. As they're walking, She's like, oh, are
Speaker 1: you skinning for throats? And she's like, listen, I'm a
Speaker 1: black belt at fifteen, like I am one of the
Speaker 1: best archers in the world. I'm ready for this. Back
Speaker 1: at Kate's three bedroom bunker in the East Village or
Speaker 1: wherever it is, Lower East Side somewhere, Clint meets the
Speaker 1: Pizza Dog and he's like, give me my suit, Kate,
Speaker 1: you got to give you my suit. Kate clearly saddened
Speaker 1: by the prospect of having to give up the suit again,
Speaker 1: not understanding the the what it's been through, and she
Speaker 1: tells him listen, I got it at this black market auction,
Speaker 1: a little shady place. I beat up a bunch of
Speaker 1: mafia guys. And by the way, you're my favorite adventure,
Speaker 1: she insists. Listen, nobody, I don't worry about anybody tracking
Speaker 1: the suit to me like I had the mask up nobody,
Speaker 1: I got it, I got it, got and Clint is like, okay, listen,
Speaker 1: that's good because again a lot of people don't like
Speaker 1: the person wearing this.
Speaker 2: I want to go into it, but there's a history there.
Speaker 1: About in the history like it goes back to the snap.
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about it. We're good. And
Speaker 1: then of course the tracksuit Mafia show ab outside the
Speaker 1: start throwing Molotov cocktails and throwing a lot bro Clint
Speaker 1: and Kate fight back. Kate gets to show off her
Speaker 1: archery skills, which are really good. Unfortunately, her apartment is
Speaker 1: now fully engulfed in flames. Kate Clinton lucky, thank god,
Speaker 1: all escape. They take the subway to the nearest right
Speaker 1: aid for some near sword and some band aids, and
Speaker 1: Kate is like, yo, we're going to Avengers Tower right
Speaker 1: Tony sold it, unfortunately, says probably before the move to
Speaker 1: the Upstate compound, which, honestly, Kate, you should have seen
Speaker 1: that in the news on like Courage or some like
Speaker 1: Gothamist or some like some the real estate blog. Somebody
Speaker 1: should have announced that they go to a place that
Speaker 1: Kate knows. Kate's like, I know a place we can go.
Speaker 1: It is the apartment of her aunt were Brandon More
Speaker 1: is out of town. Now, FYI, fun Easter Egg. More
Speaker 1: Brandon in the Marvel Comics is a like a Golden
Speaker 1: Age of Hollywood. You're a former actress who ends up
Speaker 1: selling her compound, her mansion down by like Redondo, to
Speaker 1: the Avengers, to Clint Barton so that they can use
Speaker 1: it for the West Coast Avengers compound. So really funny
Speaker 1: easter egg. We're heading out west maybe. And of course
Speaker 1: Kate in the comics has a history of hanging out
Speaker 1: in La and so Clint is like, take some frozen
Speaker 1: peas putting on your wounds. I'm gonna go find the
Speaker 1: suit and I'll be back. He goes back to the apartment,
Speaker 1: does not find the suit, but he does see a
Speaker 1: sticker on the fire Department vehicle outside that says New
Speaker 1: York's LARPing Club. I don't know how that exactly is
Speaker 1: a connection, but I'm going with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's a big win for the Larby community today.
Speaker 2: They were eating today. You know, they got to give
Speaker 2: some love to those NYU Larper's, you know, shout out
Speaker 2: to my boy girls.
Speaker 1: Clint comes back to morras. He is grumpy, he misses
Speaker 1: his family, et cetera, et cetera. Kate is like, you
Speaker 1: found a clue? You did? I know it? I can
Speaker 1: smell it on you and Kate and Clint is like,
Speaker 1: yeah no. While he was away, Kate has been working
Speaker 1: on highly accurate police style sketches of the Tracksuit Mafia vases,
Speaker 1: which is a very funny moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know she's a triple threat. Yeah, expert
Speaker 2: archery and artists.
Speaker 1: I didn't know she had it like that, you know,
Speaker 1: Clint Google's New York City larpin Club with I mean,
Speaker 1: we knew the guy was accurate. Right in the in
Speaker 1: Ultimate Marvel, Clinton Barton kills like a bunch of batties
Speaker 1: with his fingernails. He prizes his fingernails out of his
Speaker 1: fingers and he flicks him at guys and kills them
Speaker 1: like that. Here he has the most accurate tapping fingers
Speaker 1: on a phone streen literally anybody's ever seen in like
Speaker 1: anywhere in the world.
Speaker 2: He's just like.
Speaker 1: You. There's no backups, no deletes. He ends up right
Speaker 1: on the instagram of a gentleman named Grills, who is
Speaker 1: one of the firefighters. He stole the Ronan suit and
Speaker 1: now he's just straight up wearing it, broadcasting to the
Speaker 1: world that he has his suit. He'll be at a
Speaker 1: LARPing event. Shortly, Clinton Kate watch a New York One
Speaker 1: report about Armand's murder, and they discover that the someone
Speaker 1: wearing the Roman costume is a person of interest in
Speaker 1: the case. Kate is now a suspect and a murder.
Speaker 1: Clint is increasingly annoyed, and he's like, listen, you got
Speaker 1: to stay put. Your cops are looking for you, organized
Speaker 1: crime wants to kill you. You got to stay here.
Speaker 1: Kate learns about Clint's hearing a pairment. She asks him
Speaker 1: about it, and Clint's like, listen, I've been banged up
Speaker 1: for a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been blown up so many times, like he
Speaker 2: got a dealer's choice ones.
Speaker 1: You don't get it, like I who knows? Like how
Speaker 1: this happened? And Kate and what is kind of one
Speaker 1: of the early really chemistry forming moments. I love the
Speaker 1: Haley and Renner are wonderful together, but here in a
Speaker 1: really wonderful chemistry forming moment, Kate is like trying to
Speaker 1: convince Clinton you need to be more out there. You
Speaker 1: need to be more of like a front facing hero
Speaker 1: because people need it right now, like post snap you
Speaker 1: know she is, you know, post COVID, you know people,
Speaker 1: people need it. They split up. Kate goes to her
Speaker 1: mom's office at Bishop Security and Clint goes to get
Speaker 1: the suit at the at the larpening event and they
Speaker 1: trade numbers and Clint's like, here's my number unless Sano
Speaker 1: shows up again, do not fucking call me at all.
Speaker 1: Kate at Eleanor's office. What does she find? He finds
Speaker 1: Jack just chilling there. This guy likes in the cut,
Speaker 1: like does Eleanor has This is a work day, Like Jack,
Speaker 1: you want to drop off some food and bouquet flower
Speaker 1: something that's nice, but like you don't need to hang
Speaker 1: out here, but he is. Kate gives Jack her condolences
Speaker 1: because of course his uncle was recently murdered. Jack, it's
Speaker 1: rolling right off his back, man, He's not. He's moved on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that mustaches his lack of caring for his uncle.
Speaker 2: Like he's chilling, he's he's good with it.
Speaker 1: He keeps a deep inside and in fact, he's like
Speaker 1: it seems to be actively trolling Kate, Eleanor and writes
Speaker 1: Kate to dinner. Later at the penthouse, Jack is cooking.
Speaker 1: You gotta try his risotto, Kate say his bet, but
Speaker 1: I get to steer the conversation. Okay. Clint goes to
Speaker 1: the LARP. Long story short, he gets a suit back.
Speaker 1: He has to take an embarrassing l to grills in
Speaker 1: person in front of everybody, but he does get the
Speaker 1: suit back. At Bishop Security, Kate gets a shocking call
Speaker 1: from Detective Caudle of the NYPD. I'd like to speak
Speaker 1: to her. Kate's like, I'll come in the following day,
Speaker 1: not today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got some stuff on the docket today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll do that. I'm gonna talk to my mom,
Speaker 1: get our high priced lawyer to come with me. We're
Speaker 1: not going to do that today. Clint tells Laura the
Speaker 1: first of many calls. Listen, it's gone. I'm being late
Speaker 1: and using coded language, which I gotta tell you I
Speaker 1: think plays into our theory.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Laura has been in that life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a little bit too cool to a little
Speaker 2: bit too well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, lose it a little bit too well. I think
Speaker 1: we're going to see her swing into action. I think uh,
Speaker 1: and he basically tells her, listen, we're gonna I gotta
Speaker 1: settle things with the tracksuit mafias. And it's clear that
Speaker 1: he has some experience with him, He's aware of them,
Speaker 1: has tussled with him before. Perhaps he says he's not
Speaker 1: sure how high up this whole thing goes, suggesting a
Speaker 1: larger criminal figure, a kingpin, if you will, maybe behind them,
Speaker 1: and Clint's like, but listen, don't worry. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: home for Christmas. And Laura's like, what's the play? Which
Speaker 1: again more about it. Clint is like, I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: catch and release, which is a NAT's favorite. Laura not.
Speaker 1: It's when we meet Nataja Romanov in Marvels The Avengers.
Speaker 1: She is in the midst of a catch and release
Speaker 1: with the Russian guys. Uh. So. Over to Eleanor's Jax
Speaker 1: Risotto's apparently wonderful. I love to try it. Do you
Speaker 1: ever Rosta? Do you have a Resolta recipe?
Speaker 2: Zig No? But like I like his his his tip
Speaker 2: if you have to agitate, It's like, maybe that's the key.
Speaker 2: I got to talk some shit to it, you know,
Speaker 2: embarrassing in front of its parents and then.
Speaker 1: Beat h Well, Kate listen is again. He loves to agitate,
Speaker 1: he loves the troll. He is playing with Kate a lot,
Speaker 1: and and you know, knows that she knows something and
Speaker 1: is playing with the idea that she knows but is
Speaker 1: but is having fun with the fact that Eleanor is
Speaker 1: blissfully unaware of everything. Kate is like, hey, Jack, you
Speaker 1: know about swords, you know about uh repasts, you know
Speaker 1: about I don't know all the lingo, but like Kate
Speaker 1: clearly does because she's a two time state champion, as
Speaker 1: she tells him. And all this ends up with the
Speaker 1: two of them sparring. They get the fencing gear out,
Speaker 1: they start going at it, and Jack lets her win
Speaker 1: numerous times again and again. Kate's like, you're letting me
Speaker 1: stop it. I know you're good, stop it. And then
Speaker 1: as he looks away, she goes to stab him, like
Speaker 1: in the neck.
Speaker 2: He's like, old on, let me, let me, let me
Speaker 2: turn on a little bit. That's like what you would play,
Speaker 2: like play basketball with, like your uncle who was really
Speaker 2: really good, And he's like, I let you get a
Speaker 2: couple of shots, but like once you even try, like
Speaker 2: actually come at me, I'm gonna go break your ankles
Speaker 2: embarrassed a little, and that's.
Speaker 1: Exactly what it was. He just goes ping Perry's it.
Speaker 1: Her blade goes like spinning across the floor, and then
Speaker 1: he straight up is like, to be fair, I don't
Speaker 1: play my skill and repeatedly died oft it. Eleanor does
Speaker 1: not even register this. Jack just said, I've been lying
Speaker 1: completely throughout the entire year. I've been lying. She's for
Speaker 1: a little bit esus like furious at Katie, and I
Speaker 1: just want to say one thing about this. So Eleanor
Speaker 1: played by the wonderful Viraa Farmiga, who I love and
Speaker 1: everything she's ever done. She lost her husband tragically during
Speaker 1: the Chutari attack, which nobody ever expects. You're sitting at
Speaker 1: home having a nice day, and you know, nobody ever
Speaker 1: expects that, you know, to go to have tragedy occur
Speaker 1: that way with an invasion of aliens led by a
Speaker 1: Norse god, and clearly the family was in some sort
Speaker 1: of economic streets at the time, you know, that decade
Speaker 1: plus ago, and she's done an incredible job, not just
Speaker 1: steadying the family finances, but like building on it, taking
Speaker 1: care of her daughter. And she's clearly sacrificed her social life,
Speaker 1: her personal life to do that, and now this man
Speaker 1: comes into her life. He's debonair. Maybe she doesn't know
Speaker 1: a lot about him, a little dangerous, you know, and
Speaker 1: she's she wants to hold on to it, And so
Speaker 1: I feel bad for Eleanor in that respect. Kate, you know,
Speaker 1: is trying to be like, he just admitted he lied,
Speaker 1: you know, well, what's happening, And again Eleanor is not
Speaker 1: hearing it. Eleanor walks away, and Jack is like, can
Speaker 1: I offer you a monogram butterscotch from the home of
Speaker 1: armand Duqute, my recently murdered uncle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out underneath his underneath his best you see,
Speaker 2: they like one of those spray paint you know, rest
Speaker 2: and piece things you get my stocking market.
Speaker 1: Later, the tracksuit Mafia captured Hawkeye, just as he intended.
Speaker 1: They take him off in a van, in a moving van,
Speaker 1: trust to Brow, moving off to their warehouse. Meanwhile, Kate
Speaker 1: is calling Clint. She's trying to talk to him because
Speaker 1: she's like, listen, my mother's boyfriend is fucked up. You know,
Speaker 1: this guy is shady as hell, Clint Hello, So she
Speaker 1: can't get in touch with him. So what does she do.
Speaker 1: She commits what is probably a federal crime by packing
Speaker 1: into his phone and you know, and a and a
Speaker 1: private cellular network using Bishop Technical Securities n S a
Speaker 1: spyware online portal that is apparently accessible to like any
Speaker 1: employee like in the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like her last names on the end of the
Speaker 2: d of the building. Maybe she has a special.
Speaker 1: Action and she tracks him to the warehouse. I Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: the mafia is stay on hood, Clint. They're interrogating him.
Speaker 1: Clint is like, listen, I want to speak to your manager. Okay, uh,
Speaker 1: you guys, don't call the shots. I know that you're
Speaker 1: all dressed the same. That's the number one hint. I'd
Speaker 1: like to speak to whoever your boss is so we
Speaker 1: can clear all this up. They want to know where
Speaker 1: Cape Bishop is. He's like, who, what? Who? And then
Speaker 1: in a moment that is feels very of a piece
Speaker 1: with the co with the vibe of the Hawkeye comics,
Speaker 1: Kate Bishop comes crashing through the skylight in a in
Speaker 1: a torrent of broken glass and lands on the ground.
Speaker 1: And in another room, Maya Lopez Echo gets the news
Speaker 1: that the prisoners are in hand, and she begins to
Speaker 1: plot her next move now onto episode three Echoes. Directed
Speaker 1: by Burton Bertie, written by Katie Matthewson and Tanner Bean.
Speaker 1: This episode is fair, straight up.
Speaker 2: Straight up, straight up faction comic fun. That's exactly what
Speaker 2: it is, straight up.
Speaker 1: Like top level Marvel television comics, television fun like it's
Speaker 1: got everything and heartbreaking organ story, incredible like chemistry between
Speaker 1: two heroes that kind of don't get along but also
Speaker 1: are star like each other, and like unbelievable action throughout.
Speaker 1: So we open in two thousand and seven, a young
Speaker 1: Maya Lopus is in class. She is deaf, and so
Speaker 1: she is using her already acute but clearly developing powers
Speaker 1: of observation to understand what's going on in class read
Speaker 1: her teacher's lips. She's not perfect at it yet, but
Speaker 1: her school work is just absolutely fallless, nonetheless like straight
Speaker 1: as she's a brain. Later, we see Maya and her
Speaker 1: father played by the wonderful so On mclaarlan, in her room.
Speaker 1: They are signing together. It's just really hard, beautiful, unbelievable stuff.
Speaker 1: She's asking her dad, you know, are about different animal
Speaker 1: sounds and our dragons, which sounds of dragons make are
Speaker 1: they real? Seemingly a nod to the recently released Shung.
Speaker 1: She Maya asks her dad, Hey, like I thought I was.
Speaker 1: You were going to enroll me in the deaf school,
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, I know it's hard. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but this way is better because you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: learn to jump between two worlds. She's out, you know,
Speaker 1: just by watching, and we get another scene in a
Speaker 1: martial arts class where it's clear that Maya's powers of
Speaker 1: observation are just growing with every day. She easily beats
Speaker 1: an opponent just by watching him and understanding his tendencies,
Speaker 1: and we fast forward years again we see an adult
Speaker 1: Maya just fucking ironing out a spark cart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just embarrassing everyone, yes, stomping him out.
Speaker 1: She goes back to her father's autobody shop headquarters. It
Speaker 1: is called fat Man Auto Repair. Hint, hint, and who
Speaker 1: does she find but the Ronan. In the middle of
Speaker 1: a killing spury, she sees the Ronan stab her father
Speaker 1: through the gut. He is mortally wounded. He says he
Speaker 1: signs to her fly away from here, little Dragon, and
Speaker 1: then he dies. This is what this is what I
Speaker 1: love about comics. For me, Yes, this is what I
Speaker 1: love about comics and why I've always connected to it because, like,
Speaker 1: at its core, superior comics are about giving meaning to tragedy.
Speaker 1: You know, people are born differently and that can cause
Speaker 1: them a lot of pain. You know, maybe you're born
Speaker 1: with some kind of impairment, maybe you're born feeling like
Speaker 1: you don't look like everybody else. Tragedies happen to people.
Speaker 1: You lose, people you know, loved ones get sick, et cetera.
Speaker 1: And in the real world it's like that just happens.
Speaker 1: You just like have to process through it and be like,
Speaker 1: you know, is the world unfair? I guess it is,
Speaker 1: like that really sucks. In comics, all of that serves
Speaker 1: to create a reason that someone has a past.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, it's it's the myth man. It's like
Speaker 2: the classic myth. Like you know, it's like if Maya
Speaker 2: could have flipped the coin and it could land it
Speaker 2: heads or tails. Head, she becomes a good person, tells
Speaker 2: she becomes bad, and like this when it happened to
Speaker 2: land on tails, and like you realize that her journey
Speaker 2: is going to be becoming good maybe I mean, or
Speaker 2: at least an anti hero and like that's like that's
Speaker 2: the just at the classic power that you can comics
Speaker 2: and they fucking perfectly nailed dot and nailed it.
Speaker 1: I mean that's the stuff that just gets me, you know,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, So we go to the present day. We
Speaker 1: see Kate and Clint. They're on those little like corn
Speaker 1: operated carnival horse rides and the track suits are just
Speaker 1: like making fun of them. A wonderful moment in which
Speaker 1: Enrique asks Kate how to deal with an issue about imagining.
Speaker 3: Dragon soy, I built the imagine dragons stick. It's as
Speaker 3: a gift, you know, as a gift. And then we
Speaker 3: have a fight and my girlfriend say, I take there's
Speaker 3: a gift for me.
Speaker 1: I take them and I go with the girlfriend. She
Speaker 1: do this on purpose. And then Kate is like, Kate
Speaker 1: says something I just love kids is something super simple
Speaker 1: like why don't you apologize? And Enrique's like, I got
Speaker 1: to go write this down.
Speaker 2: Hold on, that's such like that seems like something ripped
Speaker 2: straight from I know it's not a word for word,
Speaker 2: but it's like such the vibe of the Faction comics
Speaker 2: of like these are just like these are like the
Speaker 2: quote unquote bad guys but they still have like a
Speaker 2: little bit of like humanity to him, like a fun.
Speaker 1: Twere absolutely is the vibe they've captured, the vibe of
Speaker 1: that stuff, like really really well, this is again a
Speaker 1: great episode. Maya comes down. She notices that Clint has
Speaker 1: a hearing ag She signs to him and asks him
Speaker 1: about it. Clint signs that listen, I'm hard of hearing.
Speaker 1: I'm not deaf. Maya then fires off a full speed
Speaker 1: flurry of asl that Clint is just like what a more? Please,
Speaker 1: thank you, And with that, Clint's ASL quiver is officially empty. Kazi,
Speaker 1: Maya's translator and right hand tracksuit mafia person, then asks Clint,
Speaker 1: here's okay. She wants to know, like why you're here.
Speaker 1: Maya suggests that Clint, you know you depend too much
Speaker 1: on tech. You should actually get rid to that trump
Speaker 1: in your other senses, relaying the advice her father gave
Speaker 1: her once upon a time. In a different form, Clint
Speaker 1: tells Maya that listen, Kate isn't Ronan. She got the suite,
Speaker 1: she came across it and she put it on. She
Speaker 1: doesn't know what it means. Just like, let's just let
Speaker 1: her go. Okay, and Maya is like, well, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've heard that the Ronan is back. This is too
Speaker 1: there's too many coins that is going on here, and
Speaker 1: Clint says, listen, that's just a rumor. Ronan is dead.
Speaker 1: I was there when he was killed by my best
Speaker 1: friend Natasha romanof Rest in Peace. Now, we all saw
Speaker 1: that scene in in Avengers Endgame, and we know that's
Speaker 1: not exactly how it went. But that's okay. I'm glad
Speaker 1: to see that. Clint Barton feels really bad about going
Speaker 1: on in international murders free you know, extra judicial murders.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the evidentiary rules that he set
Speaker 1: up for himself war, but he was just out there,
Speaker 1: just anybody in the building was getting cut.
Speaker 2: Cliner getting got security guard got yeah.
Speaker 1: Maya's like, Clint, you're lying. And then so she goes
Speaker 1: to ask Kate, you know, why did you put on
Speaker 1: the suit where you get it? And as Kate is answering,
Speaker 1: you know, Maya just flashes back to the murder of
Speaker 1: her father and she lose it. She starts choking Kate.
Speaker 1: Kazi is like, hello, you know, can we talk for
Speaker 1: a second. While they are arguing Clint settles Kate down
Speaker 1: and he's like, listen, get ready for what's about to happen. Boom,
Speaker 1: he saw him through it, his his taped bonds, and
Speaker 1: a big fight happens, which is absolutely wonderful. We get
Speaker 1: to see them all in action. Clint uses the ball
Speaker 1: pit for cover at one point and they managed to
Speaker 1: escape the warehouse. They hot wire car track suits in
Speaker 1: Maya gave chase. We get a wonderful reference to the
Speaker 1: car scene, the kind of like three sixty degree one
Speaker 1: shot take car scene from Children of Men by Alfonso Coron,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite movies. We get to see Kate
Speaker 1: shoot some of the trick arrows, including putty arrow explosive arrow,
Speaker 1: which the detonation of which gives Kate, I believe, her
Speaker 1: first official kills in the MCU.
Speaker 2: Because yeah, I took three episodes, but she got there.
Speaker 1: She got it. We also see the USB arrow from
Speaker 1: from What Iss? Yeah love that, and then the chase
Speaker 1: makes zero sense geographically by the way, but we end
Speaker 1: up on the Williamsburg Bridge where Clinton Kate use a
Speaker 1: regular arrow plus a pim arrow to definitively end the chase,
Speaker 1: and then with bullets whizzing at them. They dive off
Speaker 1: the side of the bridge, use a grappling hook, swing
Speaker 1: onto the top of a train that's running along the
Speaker 1: lower deck, which is a really cool moment because we
Speaker 1: remember Kate's first glimpse of Hawkeye was him diving off
Speaker 1: the roof during the chitary attack, so here she gets
Speaker 1: to do it with her hero, which is awesome. Clint
Speaker 1: tells Kate, hey, his tranade, by the way, gone right now,
Speaker 1: So it's a one way conversation to an extent, but
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, you really are a legit great archer,
Speaker 1: and Kate is like, holy shit, this is amazing. We
Speaker 1: end up back at Morrisey's village pad Clint is again
Speaker 1: using frozen produce to ice his bruises and stuff and
Speaker 1: his phone rings, and here we get like one of
Speaker 1: my favorite scenes, I think in any Marvel thing ever.
Speaker 1: This was a great Clint gets a call. He thinks
Speaker 1: it's from Laura. It's actually from Nathaniel, but he can't
Speaker 1: hear it, and so he's trying to like play it off, like, oh, honey,
Speaker 1: can you text me. Kate comes up and writes down
Speaker 1: everything that Nate is saying, and you know, He's like, Dad,
Speaker 1: I'm bored, Mommy's asleep. It is like a very kid
Speaker 1: thing to say. And eventually Clint says, listen, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to be home for a family movie night. And
Speaker 1: Nate's like, listen, if you can't make it over Christmas,
Speaker 1: I get it, and Clint's like, I promise, I'm going
Speaker 1: to be there. Let's pause here for a sing.
Speaker 2: See breaking apart. You see.
Speaker 1: I tear it up. I honestly did tear up because
Speaker 1: RENNERD does it all on his face right here, and
Speaker 1: it is and even Kate, you can see great stuff
Speaker 1: from Hailey Steinfeld. Kate you can tell feels like fuck,
Speaker 1: I fuck this guy's life up. Ben, Yeah, let me
Speaker 1: ask you here because I'm getting these vibes like, man,
Speaker 1: are they gonna kill Clint Barton?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a lot of I'm gonna be there,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm telling I'm coming home. I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like it may be one of those
Speaker 2: things where if they I don't think they straight up
Speaker 2: kill him. But baby, I don't know. I think no,
Speaker 2: I think what will happen is like we will see
Speaker 2: your first official like passing of the like mantle, like
Speaker 2: we sort of mean you got it. The implied with
Speaker 2: with you know, cap doing it an endgame, but like
Speaker 2: this is like he's in this prime, like he has
Speaker 2: this kid. I think this is like his last rodeo.
Speaker 2: He's like, you know what, I went out. I helped
Speaker 2: this lady, Like she's capable of being here, and like
Speaker 2: she has my number if she needs to kill me.
Speaker 2: But like, don't call me, like you said, Lesteno's sons
Speaker 2: is popping up.
Speaker 1: I could see him getting so because you know, him
Speaker 1: getting banged up is kind of part of the deal
Speaker 1: and part of the character. I could see him getting
Speaker 1: so injured that he's just like I can't do it anymore.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's how they do it. We go to the
Speaker 1: tracksuit warehouse Trust to brow the fleet of Trust bro
Speaker 1: vans are out there. Kasie pulls my aside. He's like, listen,
Speaker 1: are you maybe like pulling on a little too tight
Speaker 1: the thrown thing. You know, we should be keeping a
Speaker 1: low profile, not banging in on the streets. If the
Speaker 1: uncle finds out, if our boss uncle, who listen. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of theorizing that it's Kingpin. I don't know how.
Speaker 1: I think that's a big look at hand, it was
Speaker 1: a big looking suit. It was very similar to the
Speaker 1: suit Denofrio wears in the in the Netflix series. I
Speaker 1: it's him, I'm just I will be shocked if it's
Speaker 1: not him. Anyway, Maya's like, you would not question my
Speaker 1: father like this, right, And you know, honestly, she is right,
Speaker 1: and that conversation just gets fucking shut down, and she's like,
Speaker 1: tracksuit guys. You guys are absolute fucking morons. Okay, but
Speaker 1: I want you to investigate Clint Barton by hooker by crook,
Speaker 1: Like you guys can't even figure out what to do
Speaker 1: with the manager dragon tickets. I don't care. I want
Speaker 1: you to investigate a former Shield agent in Chinatown. Kate
Speaker 1: and Clint go to get his hearing it fixed. Later,
Speaker 1: they grab lunch where Kate is just buzzing on adrenaline
Speaker 1: because they're having adventures and she's getting to do this
Speaker 1: with a hero, and Clint is like, I turned my
Speaker 1: shit off. I'm not hearing you. Literally, I'm gonna turn
Speaker 1: my shit on now so I can order coffee. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Kate tells Clint, I've always wanted to be a superhero.
Speaker 1: This is amazing that I said we're doing I'm doing it.
Speaker 1: And then another just wonderful small scene between these these
Speaker 1: two actors. Clint is like, listen, there's a price. There's
Speaker 1: a price you have to pay. It's not just that
Speaker 1: my hearing is impaired. Unspoken is all the time spent
Speaker 1: alone with my family, the kind of like soul cost
Speaker 1: of the fact that I've killed so many people, watching
Speaker 1: Nat die in front of me, all of that. Kate,
Speaker 1: it is like, Okay, boom er, whatever, check this out.
Speaker 1: I'm going to draw you a new costume. And then
Speaker 1: she draws him a costume, which is basically Don Heck's
Speaker 1: og Hawkeye design from the six season is super cool.
Speaker 1: Clint's like, I'm not wearing that. I won't wear a mask.
Speaker 1: I'm not wearing that. My wife would leave me the
Speaker 1: whole thing. Yes, And Kate is like, well, you know
Speaker 1: the way you're protecting Ronan, you must know who it is.
Speaker 1: That's got to be somebody close to you. Clint doesn't answer,
Speaker 1: but he does tell Kate that listen, I'm not a
Speaker 1: role model. I'm not a hero. Kate doesn't get it.
Speaker 1: She's not seen the body count again. Later on, Clint
Speaker 1: begrudgingly tells Kate some very very extremely basic info in
Speaker 1: the track suits. They were once a small gang and
Speaker 1: now they're bigger, okay, all right, and that the boss
Speaker 1: at the top will do anything to grow the operation.
Speaker 1: Ha huh Ronan. Clint says, hit a supplier of the
Speaker 1: track suits, and then hit tracksuit management in what we
Speaker 1: assume is we'll talk about if that's the case in
Speaker 1: the conversation that follows this, and it's assumed that kills
Speaker 1: Maya's dad that was what he's talking about is the
Speaker 1: attack that we saw at the beginning of this episode
Speaker 1: in the cab right back, Clint wonders what else the
Speaker 1: tracksuits were after not knowing, of course, about the watch
Speaker 1: which we saw in a previous episode, they break into
Speaker 1: Kate's mom's penthouse to get into the Bishop security mainframe
Speaker 1: find some info about the tracksuits. They discover that Kazi
Speaker 1: has links to a company called Sloan Ltd. There's also
Speaker 1: a really cool easter egg more Daredevil stuff. There's a
Speaker 1: really cool Easter egg. One of the names in that
Speaker 1: database is m Kemp, which is probably Michael Kemp, who
Speaker 1: is a character from Daredevil season three where Matt Murdoch
Speaker 1: breaks into Rikers to talk to this low level Albanian gangster.
Speaker 1: And it's episode four And if you haven't caught up
Speaker 1: with dared Oel, maybe you know and you want to
Speaker 1: see something incredible. Four of season three of Daredevil has
Speaker 1: a one take action scene in which Matt escapes from
Speaker 1: Rikers and it's legitimately one of the great action scenes
Speaker 1: of the last five years movies, television, whatever. It's nuts
Speaker 1: so cool easter egg there. Then Kate is you know,
Speaker 1: continues to hack, but then she gets locked out of
Speaker 1: the system, and Clint is just like marveling at the
Speaker 1: riches of the Kate Bishop penthouse. He's walking around looking
Speaker 1: at it, and next thing you know, he finds a
Speaker 1: sword at his neck. It is his own Ronan sword
Speaker 1: held by one Jack Dukane, who I can only suspect
Speaker 1: next episode will open the episode by saying, Clint, my boy, yeah,
Speaker 1: my protege okay. So critics and the viewers love it.
Speaker 1: Ninety two positive on Rotten Dematos by critics, eighty percent
Speaker 1: says the audience here is my kale. At the New
Speaker 1: York Times, Seinfeld and Renner are good foils for each other,
Speaker 1: as Bishop pushes Bartner relax and he tends to act
Speaker 1: like her fussy at he really is a boomer in
Speaker 1: this Positive reviews, Positive reviews. Let's go on to the
Speaker 1: theories and what's going on here. Okay, we're stepping out
Speaker 1: of the airlock and into a wonderfully up kept nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy Dodge Challenger to discuss Hawkeye on Disney Plus Zig
Speaker 1: what did you think of these episodes? And man, is
Speaker 1: it the Kingpin? Is it the kig Pin? Thanks?
Speaker 2: Starting off? The episodes are great. I let them across
Speaker 2: the board. Number three was the episode three was definitely
Speaker 2: may like, fuck, the show is good. Like I was
Speaker 2: telling Jason before before we recorded that, I almost texted
Speaker 2: him like, damn, I can't believe I actually care about
Speaker 2: Clinton Barton because I've never It's sort of like how
Speaker 2: the Faction comments, like I never gave particularly much of
Speaker 2: a shit about Hawkeye or Clint Barton, but like that
Speaker 2: comic made me care, Like this episode three had made
Speaker 2: me care. It's great. I it's got to be the Kingpin.
Speaker 2: I was like, who else? Who else has that thick
Speaker 2: that thick of a suit and that thick of a hand,
Speaker 2: you know, walking around working with like some some vaguely
Speaker 2: Albanian dudes like fingers crossed, like I hope my heart
Speaker 2: of heart wanted to be the Kingpin man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, same here. I love this episode for all the
Speaker 1: reasons I said above. I think they're doing something really
Speaker 1: kind of magical with with Hawkeye with Clint Barton. In
Speaker 1: that one, they are acknowledging that he killed a lot
Speaker 1: of people and that it was a bad thing that
Speaker 1: he did, like that wasn't good, and they are acknowledging
Speaker 1: the toll that it's taken on him. But also to
Speaker 1: your point, and this is on the heels of an
Speaker 1: episode in which you saw him murder like what seemed
Speaker 1: like a really loving father, his father.
Speaker 2: Yeh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're making you care about him like they they
Speaker 1: all these family moments, all the moments with Kate where
Speaker 1: he you can feel him against his better judgment, like
Speaker 1: kind of liking her, yeah, but also wanting to be like, man, don't.
Speaker 2: You don't do this? Yeah? It really makes it, really,
Speaker 2: it really makes me. This is the thought I always
Speaker 2: have when I'm reading like a Punisher comic, where I'm like,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean I also have like the very
Speaker 2: bad guys who are doing like you know, sex trafficking
Speaker 2: and like actual war cariminals. Yeah, but it's like a
Speaker 2: dude selling drugs he's getting shot in the face because
Speaker 2: he's be given a bad hand. Like that's the thought
Speaker 2: that I had with with you know, echoes Dad, and
Speaker 2: it brings me this at this point I talked about
Speaker 2: last time, but like this is like the first like
Speaker 2: street level stuff that we've seen, and like I like
Speaker 2: that they're playing it smart and it's not just like
Speaker 2: this guy robbing a car and he needs to get
Speaker 2: his fucking neck broken, Like well, why is he rapping
Speaker 2: the car? Like yeah, what are the systematic things that
Speaker 2: are in places make him have to do that? And
Speaker 2: like this is the first time like we're sort of
Speaker 2: seeing that, Like we're seeing like, yeah, they're big bads.
Speaker 2: Are just a bunch of like vaguely Eastern European dudes
Speaker 2: and tracksuits. They're they're having fun. They're pulling out suction
Speaker 2: cup you know, arrows and and putty arrows and like
Speaker 2: they're kidding people with like you know trick as that
Speaker 2: bringing up a bunch of like Christmas trees, so to
Speaker 2: one another. It's like it's just a fun thing when
Speaker 2: it's so much more grounded in the stakes are so
Speaker 2: much lower that you can have this big fun comic
Speaker 2: bookiness of us all, which I think, you know, we
Speaker 2: haven't really got that aspect in Marvel yet, when like
Speaker 2: just the street level guys on the ground fighting like
Speaker 2: low steaks guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree with you. And again it is
Speaker 1: it just ties into the stuff that I've loved about
Speaker 1: comics from an early age, which is like it you know, honestly,
Speaker 1: you take the suit and the powers away, and these
Speaker 1: are like some of the saddest stories you know ever,
Speaker 1: Like you take Spider Man, you take the powers away
Speaker 1: from Spider Man, and it's like a young man makes
Speaker 1: a poor decision that leads to his beloved uncle. He's
Speaker 1: already an orphan and he's living with his uncle and
Speaker 1: aunt and leads to his uncle getting murdered awful, you know,
Speaker 1: Like it's the same with any you know, like Harry
Speaker 1: Potters and great example that's just like an abused kid
Speaker 1: that's like his was kept under the stairs by like relatives,
Speaker 1: like if he never gets a magic letter his to
Speaker 1: give all of that meaning. It doesn't change. Maya is
Speaker 1: someone who watches her dad like horrifically murdered in front
Speaker 1: of her, and if not for it's her personal dedication
Speaker 1: and her like doggedness and talent that allows that to
Speaker 1: like alchemize and turn into her having these like amazing abilities.
Speaker 1: That is the kind of stuff like as a kid,
Speaker 1: that is the stuff you just like daydream about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it also makes me think, like, you know, if
Speaker 2: this is if this is like just a straight up
Speaker 2: comic and like not having to like write stuff like
Speaker 2: this would be she would be the that would be
Speaker 2: like the first five pages of like the next Great
Speaker 2: Daredevil comic. You know, like she's like she's she very
Speaker 2: much feels like, you know, this is like if Matt
Speaker 2: Mardach went down the bath his dad getting killed by
Speaker 2: the Kingpin. Her dad gets killed by their roanin Like
Speaker 2: she has a very similar power set. It seems like
Speaker 2: at least, you know what the you know, the hearing
Speaker 2: stuff and like being able to see stuff or like yeah,
Speaker 2: like you want to root for that and like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just it's just so much cooler.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a lot of it's been cool, but
Speaker 2: like It's cool seeing like a person that you can
Speaker 2: probably meet, like in their superpowers, just like being like
Speaker 2: fifteen percent better than most humans, you know, like that's
Speaker 2: really what her superpower is.
Speaker 1: Great origin story like this is how you do it?
Speaker 4: It was what like.
Speaker 1: Four scenes maybe five and a half minutes total, and
Speaker 1: you got it. Yes, you got everything that drives her.
Speaker 1: You know what she can do, and you know why
Speaker 1: she is absolutely enraged and furious. I can't wait for
Speaker 1: the Maya show. A'subout theory. So Saul are one of
Speaker 1: our producers, Saul Rubin, we were discussing in the pre
Speaker 1: pro like, oh, that's crazy, Like Clint during his killing
Speaker 1: spree killed Maya's dad. That was awful, And then Saul
Speaker 1: brought up that in the comics, it's actually the Kingpin
Speaker 1: that orders the murder of Maya's dad and then he
Speaker 1: frames Daredevil for it. What if he's doing something similar here,
Speaker 1: you know, like a good way to get rid of
Speaker 1: people during the time that Ronan was active was like,
Speaker 1: you know, dressed like Ronan and kill a bunch of
Speaker 1: people and just blame it on that guy. They're never
Speaker 1: even catch him anyway, and if they do, let's put
Speaker 1: those bodies on him. Now, I think that that is fantastic.
Speaker 1: And then you have I don't know if it would
Speaker 1: be Bullseye or whatever, but you have already made person
Speaker 1: who has used a sword in this story already and
Speaker 1: Jack Dukaine maybe it was Jack. Now the question, first
Speaker 1: of all, what do you think of that? It kind
Speaker 1: of undercuts the fact that Clint knew that the Ronan
Speaker 1: hit the Tracksuits previously?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that does under well yeah yeah, it
Speaker 2: better cuts it. But also is like, you know, this
Speaker 2: isn't the only faction of Tracksuits, right, They've probably got
Speaker 2: operations all over the city. It does like just thinking
Speaker 2: like comic book or wise, like you know the big
Speaker 2: bads so far like Echo and the Swordsman, but like
Speaker 2: any true comic it has to have like you gotta
Speaker 2: have like issue five or four is like when you
Speaker 2: see like who's really pulling the streams? It's Norman Osborne,
Speaker 2: It's the Kingpin, It's Who's Instanos, it's whoever. And like
Speaker 2: I feel like the big like the big splash page
Speaker 2: reveal on episode how many episodes are doing like six?
Speaker 2: Maybe episode like six, episode five is like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: that's the Kingpin. He's like, maybe he's not like the
Speaker 2: Kingpin we're used to with, like the Daredevil.
Speaker 1: A Kingpin on the come up yesh, yes, Like yeah.
Speaker 2: He's got like a nice warehouse he's in, like you know,
Speaker 2: buying million dollar art pieces for his jail French boo.
Speaker 2: But like I think I think that's the move because also,
Speaker 2: like I said, like all this stuff has been so grounded,
Speaker 2: like we know that Maya or Echo is getting like
Speaker 2: a spin off show, and like it seems like Marvel
Speaker 2: is taking the direction of doing like the street level stuff.
Speaker 2: So like I imagine we're gonna see more of the
Speaker 2: world of Like all right, if this is the Kingpin,
Speaker 2: like all those other like Kingpin esque characters who are
Speaker 2: like they're Robin Banks, are like they're you know, extorting neighborhoods,
Speaker 2: They're not like, you know, getting six Infinity gauntlets to
Speaker 2: Jilly Jims like snap half the universe away.
Speaker 1: I love that. So if the Kingpin is framing Ronin,
Speaker 1: which feels like a very Kingpin thing to do, and
Speaker 1: if in fact it is Jack, which maybe that's why
Speaker 1: it's Jack, the question then becomes this, so the the
Speaker 1: they're not going to do a fake costume because they
Speaker 1: made such a big deal about Clint having to get
Speaker 1: back the costume. If there were a bunch of fake
Speaker 1: knockoff Ronan costumes out there, then it wouldn't work as
Speaker 1: a story piece. Right, So there's got it, there's the
Speaker 1: one costume. Does that mean that Duquine and whoever broke
Speaker 1: into the Avengers compound stole the suit and then brought
Speaker 1: it back? And that's where it was in the rubble
Speaker 1: Because I'm trying to figure out, like how the watch,
Speaker 1: which is the thing wanted like basically the thing they
Speaker 1: were trying to get it seemed like the tracksuits. How
Speaker 1: that plays into it? Is like did Jack break in?
Speaker 1: He stole the suit, then he brought it back, and
Speaker 1: while he's undressing, he like took his watch off to
Speaker 1: like whatever, wash his hands.
Speaker 2: He just like left the watch. Yeah, it makes me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if it's one of
Speaker 2: those things where like they just have some like low
Speaker 2: upper state New York dude scavenged it and they got
Speaker 2: into like the black markets. I have no idea. I
Speaker 2: think I don't know if you're the one that tweeted this,
Speaker 2: but like I think like the auction. They also are
Speaker 2: like a dinosaur, a dinosaur skull, there's shortage, and was like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's this is a Savage Land's confirmed. Like I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's just like one of those things where
Speaker 2: like they have a group of weird guys that have
Speaker 2: been picking up weird stuff all over the world. Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe you'll find a dinosaur skull. Also, we had this
Speaker 2: dude upstate that went through the aftermath of the Avengers compound,
Speaker 2: like they found a watch, maybe there's a maybe there's
Speaker 2: an Ironman Suit eighty seven schematic and there, you don't know,
Speaker 2: pay a bunch of money, we'll see what happens with it.
Speaker 1: I do think that that's a Savage Land hit that's
Speaker 1: too big, Like they know what whether it's Savage Land
Speaker 1: or not. I'll just say that the people who make
Speaker 1: these shows are very very smart, Okay they and they
Speaker 1: know that when they put a dinosaur skull in there,
Speaker 1: that you and I and everyone else are going to
Speaker 1: be like, oh shit.
Speaker 2: You can go to Google and see like the searches
Speaker 2: for devil dinosaur spiking the day that is.
Speaker 1: Let me throw another theory at you. I want to
Speaker 1: also preface this by saying, list of my theories are
Speaker 1: often wrong, but I love doing it and I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna stop going in because I love doing it. That's
Speaker 1: that's why we're here. I feel like this ends with
Speaker 1: Clint gets home. He's banged up, right, he can't really
Speaker 1: fight that well, and they think it's over. Clint got
Speaker 1: home for Christmas. He's in a full body cast, but
Speaker 1: he made it. And then we get that Jason Voor
Speaker 1: He's coming out of the water camp Crystal Lake moment
Speaker 1: where you thought it was over, but no, it's not
Speaker 1: over because now the bad guys are here. They're going
Speaker 1: to attack him on the farm. That means Laura's got
Speaker 1: to suit up. She's got to put the Bobby Morrise
Speaker 1: Mockingbirds suit back on. And then my Lopez, we assume
Speaker 1: is switch side by this time, has got to help out.
Speaker 1: And you know, maybe Yolena, who we know is going
Speaker 1: to be in this, has got to help out. And
Speaker 1: now it's like a big fight on Clint's farm with
Speaker 1: Clint in a you know, fully laid up, just like
Speaker 1: watching from the sidelines.
Speaker 2: That's so I completely forgot that they said that Elena's
Speaker 2: going to be in this, Like like yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 2: that that sounds like a fun theory. Like I'm like,
Speaker 2: I mean all these I mean Marvel movies are notorious
Speaker 2: for the third act fight. Like that's that's what people
Speaker 2: show up for, you know, like every commo. I want
Speaker 2: to have the double spread, the double page splash. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I could see like there's some type of assault on
Speaker 2: the farm, just because like you want to see, yeah,
Speaker 2: like you want to get the cool shot of like
Speaker 2: both Hawkeyes shooting their thing, or if you want to
Speaker 2: see mocking Bird in like Kate Bishop Hawkeye kicking some
Speaker 2: ass with with echo, Like I'd buy that. What I said,
Speaker 2: I would love to see that.
Speaker 1: What's your what's your favorite double page spread?
Speaker 2: Oh boy, that's man, That's that's a hard question.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I'll say this is I think this is a double
Speaker 2: page spread. I can't remember correctly, but there's an amazing Spider.
Speaker 1: Man where it's like splash or a double page, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, Like, yeah, whatever.
Speaker 2: I would do the splash. It's one of my favorite splash.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a Spider Man like going throughout the citium,
Speaker 2: like one of the tropes or like one of the
Speaker 2: classic things that Spider Man is like to show characters agility.
Speaker 2: They'll show like ghost images of him and him like
Speaker 2: a high rise, he jumps off a water tower like
Speaker 2: swips around like a flagpole, bounces off, and like he
Speaker 2: comes out of the frame with that. I just like
Speaker 2: those are like my absolute favorite types of splashes, and
Speaker 2: like that one has been burned into my my skull forever.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 2: Then there's one like Avengers, the one where they assault
Speaker 2: the base. I think siege. I think it's what it
Speaker 2: was called. But like this' one where like like the
Speaker 2: Wasp was just like sunbathing and like a helicopter peers
Speaker 2: and then like Captain America, like does it doesn't slip?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he dives down and slips. It does like a summersault.
Speaker 2: Like bro, you could just like the doors open, you
Speaker 2: could just walk in, but if you want to flec Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's not steels.
Speaker 1: That that is a uh yeah, that's the Rogers Stern
Speaker 1: siege storyline, under Siege, under stage. It's like fantastic my
Speaker 1: favorite splash. I mean, it's gotta be Kitty Pride, oh,
Speaker 1: Professor Xaviers or jerk. It is one of the great
Speaker 1: openings in comics history. And then I think I love
Speaker 1: Hitch Brian Hitch and his work in Ultimates one and two.
Speaker 1: There's some I mean that stuff is like blow it up,
Speaker 1: put it on your wall, and just start at it
Speaker 1: forever under the black light. There's a couple splait double
Speaker 1: page spreads in there, particularly Ultimates too, where it's like
Speaker 1: they're all in action fighting these crazy like demons in
Speaker 1: DC and the level of detail is like it's just
Speaker 1: an ocean of demons. They're fighting them, and you look
Speaker 1: and it's Quicksilver is zipping throughout the picture, like from
Speaker 1: the top to the bottom, doing different things every every way,
Speaker 1: like Hawkeye is shooting arrows. It's really cool, really cool.
Speaker 1: One of my favorites ever, just like one of the
Speaker 1: things you can fall into a little bit of a
Speaker 1: problematic comic listener.
Speaker 2: But like that is definitely comic that maybe like, oh,
Speaker 2: I think I like Captain America, Like he's kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: All right, cool, let's let's do.
Speaker 1: This listen again. Great episode. I can't wait for episode
Speaker 1: four or any any theories that you have, any predictions
Speaker 1: do you want to make?
Speaker 2: You know, I feel like we're really I mean, this
Speaker 2: was like the big fun comic booking one I think
Speaker 2: episode four is probably gonna be a little bit more
Speaker 2: like expo, like this is why things are happening. We'll
Speaker 2: probably get a fun set piece. I'm thinking, like mad
Speaker 2: As you mentioned that Black Widow or Yolana black Widow
Speaker 2: is going to be and I think we might get
Speaker 2: like the first tease that like is black widowed or
Speaker 2: is she like being directed by by by I guess
Speaker 2: this version of what the Thunderbolts will be. Is there
Speaker 2: going to be a Thunderbolts teasing this like I'm hoping.
Speaker 2: I think it will get like a bigger a bigger
Speaker 2: worldview like the the We'll get like a twenty thousand
Speaker 2: foot view of like the street level stuff in episode four.
Speaker 1: Obviously a lot of Daredevil hints as well. Yeah, whenever
Speaker 1: the Kingpin is if you're thinking Kimpin's got to be there,
Speaker 1: his number one foil has always been dared Owlil do
Speaker 1: we get. I think we get some sort of like
Speaker 1: we see like Nelson and Murdoch, like like ad or
Speaker 1: something or a sticker, or we maybe a mention of
Speaker 1: Matt Murdoch as a lawyer. I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: we see Daredevil in this. I think maybe we get
Speaker 1: a mention.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I was just gonna say, like, there's no
Speaker 2: way though they'll they would drop Daredevil in like a
Speaker 2: TV show that I remembers, like they had Jonathan Major's.
Speaker 1: In Loki, Like, yeah, right, the rules are whatever they want.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I feel the same with you.
Speaker 1: It feels like they wouldn't do it, but maybe they
Speaker 1: would know a lot of people are theorizing, Oh, like Daredevil,
Speaker 1: they'll bring him over in no way home, maybe from
Speaker 1: another dimension like the Netflix dimension. Yeah, that could be.
Speaker 1: And here's my my only note on why maybe that
Speaker 1: couldn't be the case is Matt Listen A big part
Speaker 1: of his identities he's a practicing lawyer. He's, you know,
Speaker 1: out there fighting in the courts for the little guy
Speaker 1: all the time. And I don't think his Earth four
Speaker 1: twenty law degree it's gonna work. It's gonna work in
Speaker 1: this Earth. I may be wrong. I don't know how
Speaker 1: it works if you get a law degree in another dimension?
Speaker 2: It does it? Does it transfer?
Speaker 1: Like does your cell phone and your driver's licenes all
Speaker 1: that stuff work? You'r atm Yeah, Yeah, I'm just I
Speaker 1: don't know. It feels like it wouldn't work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's ever a Devil TV show that the first
Speaker 2: season would just be about getting around the hurdles of
Speaker 2: interdimensional in universal law practices.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like on the phone with the I R S.
Speaker 1: It's like push for if you were recently brought over
Speaker 1: to this dimension from another dimension. Uh shit, awesome, this
Speaker 1: is fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, always a blast up next to the omnibus.
Speaker 1: Huh bad buzz what you want? What you're gonna do
Speaker 1: when the Ron incomes and kills your dad? We're talking
Speaker 1: about crime, folks. With all the speculation about Uncle and
Speaker 1: about whether this character is in fact Wilson Fisk, the
Speaker 1: Kingpin of Crime and Marvel Comics Fame and Daredevil on
Speaker 1: Netflix Fame, it feels like the perfect time to do
Speaker 1: a kind of cursory overview of the worlds of organized
Speaker 1: crime within Marvel Comics canon. Now quick note, a criminal
Speaker 1: a criminality in the context of the Marvel universe was
Speaker 1: the comics and the MCU doesn't necessarily mean villain. Right
Speaker 1: In the real world, of course, legality and morality are
Speaker 1: often mutually exclusive, and we could point to any number
Speaker 1: of horrific things slavery, for instance, that were one hundred
Speaker 1: percent legal, not illegal. That's in the real world. In
Speaker 1: the Marvel universe, the only heroic use of power, right,
Speaker 1: because we're talking about a world in which both the
Speaker 1: supervillains and the superheroes have incredible powers, the only heroic
Speaker 1: use of power is the protection of the powerless. Legally speaking,
Speaker 1: superheroes break the law all the time, Like if we
Speaker 1: look at the MCU in Ironman, the movie Ironman, Tony
Speaker 1: Stark invades a sovereign country or several of the airspace
Speaker 1: of maybe several sovereign countries to carry it out an
Speaker 1: unsanctioned attack. That's probably a declaration of war. If who
Speaker 1: was in the real world using unlicensed advanced weaponry killing
Speaker 1: a bunch of people, Yes, they're terrorists to save the
Speaker 1: lives of the local townsfolk and civil War Captain America
Speaker 1: and his insurgents are actively thumbing their nose at the
Speaker 1: Cecovia Cords, which were agreed upon by many, many, many
Speaker 1: nations in the un Black Widow, of course, has never
Speaker 1: traveled without several forged passports. I don't think those are
Speaker 1: on the up and up. Peter Parker law to drone
Speaker 1: strike on his fucking students's fellow classmates Vision and Scarlet,
Speaker 1: which were fugitives. Bruce Banner destroyed Harlem and an entire
Speaker 1: university building. Kate Bishop hacked into the cellular networks to
Speaker 1: locate Clint's phone and blew up a van. We can
Speaker 1: go on on on and on in this context, right,
Speaker 1: superheroes are kind of like the post war evolution of
Speaker 1: the bandit trope, the bandit character, the best example of
Speaker 1: which being Robin Hood who stole from the rich and
Speaker 1: gapes to the poor. And will dive deeper into that
Speaker 1: idea and that topic when we take a deeper look
Speaker 1: at Clinton Barton himself later on in the series, when
Speaker 1: doing so wouldn't spoil any potential reveals about learning about
Speaker 1: Clint's backstory within the MCU. So, in the context of Marvel,
Speaker 1: what does criminal mean then, if even the heroes are
Speaker 1: constantly breaking the law and are in fact, you know,
Speaker 1: if you want to be technical about it, criminals. It
Speaker 1: means any person or group motivated by the pursuit of
Speaker 1: wealth and power, mostly wealth, though for its own sake, right,
Speaker 1: what separates Tony Stark from Obadias day Arnie is Tony
Speaker 1: wants to use his wealth to make suits of armor
Speaker 1: to defend an avenge the powerless, while Obadiastin wants to
Speaker 1: make a bunch of suits to make a bunch of money.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: The Vulture had some pretty trenchant critiques of the MCU's
Speaker 1: version of capitalism and Spider Man Homecoming, And he was
Speaker 1: at one point, you know, just like a struggling small
Speaker 1: business owner, blue collar guye And in the end he
Speaker 1: had millions of dollars, He had a nice house, he
Speaker 1: had a nice car. He wanted to continue to do that.
Speaker 1: He wanted to send his daughter to a great school
Speaker 1: while having millions of dollars left over. Right, So let's
Speaker 1: start our quick overview of organized crime with the Tracksuit Mafia.
Speaker 1: They debuted in Matt Fraction and David Aya's character to
Speaker 1: defining Hawkeye series, and they're essentially a very very low
Speaker 1: level street gang who all wear track suits, of course,
Speaker 1: made up of Eastern European guys, and they engage in
Speaker 1: mainly street level stuff, you know, extortion, beating people up,
Speaker 1: slum lord activities, shakedowns, and so on. Probably the first
Speaker 1: organized crime group in the Marvel universe was the Maggia,
Speaker 1: who are an Italian mob with various international rackets and
Speaker 1: of course a strong presence in the United States, particularly
Speaker 1: New York City. They are a group who were founded
Speaker 1: by cult members cultists who worship the demon Sitanish, who
Speaker 1: is a creation of the dread Dormamu Dormamu. I've come
Speaker 1: to bargain. They are clearly the Maggia based on the
Speaker 1: real life Italian mafia. They have a commission of bosses
Speaker 1: who manage the direction of the organization. They prize and
Speaker 1: value pure Italian bloodlines, and they are involved in traditional
Speaker 1: real life mafia activities narcotic sec traffic and gambling, loan sharking,
Speaker 1: and so on. Their primary rival in Marvel comics is
Speaker 1: the Fisk Organization, the crime syndicate of the absolutely enormous big, big,
Speaker 1: big Boy, big Daddy, diabolical guy Wilson Fisk, the kingpin
Speaker 1: of crime. Kingpin is in the comics is just like
Speaker 1: he's not superpowered, but he is huge and really really
Speaker 1: really strong. Anyway. In the comics, Fisk, you know, rises
Speaker 1: from kind of obscure beginnings to in a brutal fashion
Speaker 1: subdue the various crime families that are operating in New
Speaker 1: York forging them to get into you know, one highly centralized,
Speaker 1: ruthless organization which spans both criminal and legitimate enterprises. So
Speaker 1: what does that mean. In addition to stuff like you know,
Speaker 1: arms dealing, human trafficking, narcotics, gambling, etc. The Kingpin also
Speaker 1: runs his legitimate business arm called Fisk Industries, which does
Speaker 1: a bunch of legitimate stuff, including owning a fifty percent
Speaker 1: stake in the company Damage Control with Tony Stark. Tony
Speaker 1: Stark owns the other fifty percent of Damage Control. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's right. In the comics, Tony willingly became a business
Speaker 1: partner of the Kingpin of crime, Wilson Fisk. Tony, what
Speaker 1: the fuck are you doing now? Damage Control? You may know.
Speaker 1: Damage Control is a company that basically goes in and
Speaker 1: does salvage and construction work after these big superhero battles
Speaker 1: take place. So the Chaitari attack New York City, damage
Speaker 1: Control comes in and they clean everything up, and they
Speaker 1: salvage all the Chatari weaponry and they ship it off
Speaker 1: to ostensibly the government, but as we've seen, who really knows.
Speaker 1: And by the way, great racket for Tony Stark, who
Speaker 1: on the one hand, is taking part as Iron Man
Speaker 1: in these battles, causing some of this damage, and on
Speaker 1: the other end of that is then profiting from the
Speaker 1: cleaning up of the mess that he helped make great
Speaker 1: shit from Tony Stark, a true genius and a pioneer. Kingpinn,
Speaker 1: of course, is the primary antagonist for many notable street
Speaker 1: level New York City based heroes, including Spider Man, Punisher,
Speaker 1: Luke Cage, an Iron Fist, and in particular, Daredevil. Daredevil
Speaker 1: is his number one foil. Another syndicate with connections in
Speaker 1: the comics to Daredevil and Myo Lopez is The Hand.
Speaker 1: The Hand is a quasi religious cabal of ninjas with
Speaker 1: roots that go back centuries. Matt Murdoch's college girlfriend, Electra,
Speaker 1: a Greek national who Matt met on campus, was once
Speaker 1: part of and then a target of the Hand, and
Speaker 1: that brings Matt into conflict with them. In writer Brian
Speaker 1: Michael Bendis and artist David Finch's New Avengers run, the
Speaker 1: Ronan is recommended by Daredevil to Captain America, who then
Speaker 1: recommends Ronan to the New Avengers, who are heading to
Speaker 1: Japan to do a mission. They're like, here, I've got
Speaker 1: somebody recommended to me by Matt Murdock. It's this shadowy person.
Speaker 1: I don't know who it is, but they call themselves
Speaker 1: the Ronan, dressed all in black, and they're really good.
Speaker 1: They know about the Hand, they know how to fight them.
Speaker 1: So Ronan goes over helps them out. They fight the
Speaker 1: Hand and Hydra and then eventually that person on masks
Speaker 1: and we discover that the Ronan is in fact my
Speaker 1: Lopez Bomb Bomb Bomb. And finally, speaking of criminal enterprises
Speaker 1: run by demons, there is the Roxon Corporation, a too
Speaker 1: big to fail energy conglomerate and one of the largest
Speaker 1: corporations in the Marvel universe. Rocks On began as your
Speaker 1: standard you know, like oil and natural gas business, but evil,
Speaker 1: but even more evil than like in real life. Rox
Speaker 1: On provided some of the funds, some of the early
Speaker 1: funds that helped launch Shield. They have mined for energy
Speaker 1: sources on you know everyone when are on Earth strip
Speaker 1: mining as well. They're not just doing oil and natural gas,
Speaker 1: they're doing any kind of energy source, any kind of
Speaker 1: rare material, any kind of mineral, All of that stuff
Speaker 1: they do. And so they have done that also in
Speaker 1: the Sabage Land where they strip mined for vibranium, among
Speaker 1: other things. They've done it on Mars, and under the
Speaker 1: leadership of CEO Dario Ager, who is secretly the magical
Speaker 1: Minotaur of Legend and in alliance with Malachis, the Accursed,
Speaker 1: a big bad of thor Roxon went on to exploit
Speaker 1: the natural resources of the various realms that Malachith would conquer.
Speaker 1: So Malachis like, Hey, I'm about to conquer the Ten Realms.
Speaker 1: It's going to be fucking awesome. Dario or Ager, if
Speaker 1: you want to get in on this, There's a bunch
Speaker 1: of rare materials on there that I think would be
Speaker 1: really profitable. You can come to any of the various
Speaker 1: ten Realms after I conquer them and just like strip
Speaker 1: mind to your heart's content. And Dario is like, yes,
Speaker 1: it's criminality, an organized crime in the Marvel universe. Up
Speaker 1: next to the endgame. You could not live with your
Speaker 1: turkey hangover. So where did that bring you back to
Speaker 1: us in the endgame?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Today we were playing another round of Assembly Required, in
Speaker 1: which Sing and I will pick a character or item
Speaker 1: from episodes two or three from Hawkeye for a randomly
Speaker 1: assigned mundane mission. Chris, what is the mission today?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 4: So, in honor of the sweet driving skills of Clinton
Speaker 4: Barton this week, You guys, man, is you have to
Speaker 4: pick someone from these episodes to take you to lax
Speaker 4: like you know, so let's say east Side's lax rush
Speaker 4: hour traffic, your flights in an hour.
Speaker 1: Who are you picking to get you there on timely?
Speaker 2: Boy?
Speaker 1: I think he went first last time, so I'll go
Speaker 1: first this time. Yeah, I'll tell you who it's not
Speaker 1: gonna be. It's not gonna be Enrique because this guy's
Speaker 1: gonna fucking bend my ear off the whole time I'm
Speaker 1: on my phone trying to like check into my flight,
Speaker 1: trying to like text people last minute stuff. I don't
Speaker 1: need Enrique like giving me his whole life story and
Speaker 1: the all of that. I am gonna go with. Gosh,
Speaker 1: you know what, he's a criminal, okay, but Kazzi seems
Speaker 1: like a real stand up dude and m I understand
Speaker 1: that their affront trust to Brow is a front, but
Speaker 1: they got to drive those trucks, and that suggests to
Speaker 1: me that Kazie and the other tracksuit fellas are you know,
Speaker 1: responsible good drivers with like a Class B license whatever
Speaker 1: you need to drive one of those. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go Kazi from the tracksuit Mavia. Who are you gonna pick?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with uh King's meaty left hand. I
Speaker 2: think if you you throw that thing out of a
Speaker 2: window and you do this, the traffic is parting. You
Speaker 2: throw your hand up, You're getting you know, taxi is
Speaker 2: not gonna stop if you throw that big meaty paul up.
Speaker 2: So I think there's a real good answer. There's a
Speaker 2: real good way that can make clear the lanes for
Speaker 2: myself and also a hell of taxi if I need to.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Wilson fizz cars, just get out of the way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's coming through. That's it for the endgame. Who
Speaker 1: do you think one? And who would you pick to
Speaker 1: take you to lax? Hit hashtag xr N game and
Speaker 1: give us your pick. Big thanks to the number one
Speaker 1: bro Cody Ziggler for joining us on x ray vision. Cody,
Speaker 1: what do you have to plug? Where can people find you?
Speaker 2: You know what? If you find me on social media's
Speaker 2: at yafer Zig. If you love listening to nerdy podcast
Speaker 2: like this one, check out the dark We podcast. I
Speaker 2: hope Yeah, my boy Bertie Reid. We talk about almost
Speaker 2: the exact same thing, only we say the N word
Speaker 2: way more because we're where we both got the cars
Speaker 2: and we can say it yeah. And you know, if
Speaker 2: you want to check out some like other like Street
Speaker 2: Level comics, definitely check out ma Wad's Daredevil run like
Speaker 2: It's it's really great. It's sort of the same way
Speaker 2: that that Factionauja have re sort of reinvented the New Hawkeye.
Speaker 2: That's a great way that reinmit the Daredevil and amazing
Speaker 2: Spider Man's seventy nine and eighty Baby they drive pick
Speaker 2: it up Baby Beyond.
Speaker 1: It's it's really great and what a fun arc that's been.
Speaker 2: Thanks man.
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