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Speaker 2: I decided to enhance the experience for you today.

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Speaker 4: Yes you did, as I.

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Speaker 2: Went to my significant x. I love her Denise, who

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Speaker 2: is well known to listeners out there. And if you're

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Speaker 2: gonna say, is this another one of those food things Hartman,

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Speaker 2: the answers, Yes, So I asked you last week, is

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Speaker 2: there something as far as baked goods that you might

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Speaker 2: be interested in? And you're like, well, I'm pretty basic,

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Speaker 2: you know, like chocolate chip cookies. Yep. So today I delivered,

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Speaker 2: courtesy of my significant ex. Oh not just any.

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Speaker 1: Chocolate, no, no, no, no, the most delicious vegan chocolate chip cookie.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people vegan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this was per my request.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: And not that I only have vegan cookies, but you

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Speaker 1: have given us little glimpses and little tastes of what

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Speaker 1: she has done in the past, and I knew she

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Speaker 1: could do something vegan and make it extra tasty. This

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Speaker 1: is so good. You could give this to somebody and

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Speaker 1: not tell them it's vegan, and they would have no

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Speaker 1: idea and they would say, this is the best cookie

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Speaker 2: Now, Katino Mobley, the Great Katino Mobley fell in love

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Speaker 2: where they're baking, to the point where he wanted to

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Speaker 2: open up a business like you have, missus Fieldskies right now.

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Speaker 4: Put these on fields right, no question, missus Field.

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Speaker 2: But I mean these are next level this.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I could just taste everything in it,

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Speaker 1: like all the hint of salt. Yes, like I could

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Speaker 1: just I taste it all. They are so so good

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Speaker 1: I don't even care what happens the rest of my day.

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Speaker 2: No, with all due respect to Martin and Patrick and Chris.

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Speaker 2: The reason I am not sharing this with the rest

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Speaker 2: of you guys. We'll do this down the road, I

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Speaker 2: promise you, yes, But this was specifically for Moncie so

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Speaker 2: now so I because if they if they start chewing

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Speaker 2: on that those boxes will be gone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this will be gone. And I really don't want

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Speaker 1: to fight anybody today, no training, nobody needs to be

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Speaker 1: fighting today. You know, I barely brushed my hair because

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Speaker 1: of this weather. So let's not let's not get crazy.

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Speaker 1: Let's not get crazy. Maybe I should just say that

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Speaker 1: the cookies are not good, so they're not jealous.

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Speaker 2: I wish I could wear a cap today, but I

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Speaker 1: There, Steve, I wish I were at all right.

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Speaker 2: I have another story to share with you, Moncey. So

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Speaker 2: during the week, my younger son, Garrett, who is twenty

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Speaker 2: five years old and it'd be twenty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He is the ultimate Lakers fan and has been his

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Speaker 2: to actually get him to take a picture of meet

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Speaker 4: So he's a diehard Laker. But he went to the Clippers.

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Speaker 2: Game the other night. It was a Clippers home game,

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Speaker 2: and the game looked ugly from the beginning. Clippers were

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Speaker 2: He was disappointed, and he just said, come on, let's

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Speaker 2: at least make it competitive. The lead then got to

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Speaker 2: Lakers had won the game. It was the largest fourth

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Speaker 2: quarter comeback in Lebron James's twenty one year NBA career.

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Speaker 2: Clippers coach tylu said he could never remember as a

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Speaker 2: coach blowing a twenty one point fourth quarter lead.

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Speaker 4: But I have good news for you Clipper fan. Here's

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Speaker 2: With that win. Yes, the Lakers clinched the season series

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Speaker 2: for the clip from the Clippers for the first time

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Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 2: So the fact is the Clippers have owned the Lakers

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Speaker 2: over the last eleven years. Their record against the Lakers

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Speaker 1: I like where you're going because this is exactly what

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Speaker 2: So now that the Lakers, who obviously are still well

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Speaker 2: could it be that twist of fate that propels the

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Speaker 2: Clippers to a destination and they've never been, which would

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Speaker 1: I'm literally this is I have been saying throughout the

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Speaker 1: season because the Lakers have won the series. This wasn't

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Speaker 1: the first game we lost this season. The first game

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Speaker 1: it because the Clippers. You can't deny that the Clippers

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Speaker 1: just look way better than the Lakers on paper, in person,

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Speaker 1: they're the better team. But Lebron James decided to take

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Speaker 1: some of Michael's secret stuff that he takes in space

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Speaker 1: jam and just went on a ta on a tear

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Speaker 1: that Like, I obviously was rooting for my Clippers, but

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Speaker 1: watching it, I was here working, I was anchoring for

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Speaker 1: what I was seeing Lebron do. It was so entertaining,

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Speaker 1: entertaining to watch. Now there were questions as a Clippers

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Speaker 1: Paul George was not playing Avitz's zoo bots, was not

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Speaker 1: say all the time, but I did. There were questions

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Speaker 1: watching this unravel, Why didn't Kawhi go and guard Lebron

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Speaker 1: when he got hot? You know, little things like that.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't matter though we were up by twenty one at

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Speaker 1: one point, still embarrassing, no matter how you want to

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Speaker 1: dissect it. But Lebron put on a great show, and

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you're a Clippers fan. It was

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Speaker 1: bookends the story of the Clippers and the Lakers. At

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Speaker 1: Crypto slash Staples dot com, you know what I'm saying, Like,

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Speaker 1: I'm not upset about it now.

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Speaker 3: I was.

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Speaker 1: I was here, like, you know what's so embarrassing, Steve

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Speaker 1: that day. I was no joke. I was wearing a

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Speaker 1: and I just was like, Jason Smith cuts to me

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Speaker 2: Well, as this game was unfolding, obviously, I'm at home.

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Speaker 2: My other son, Drake was at home. We knew Garrett

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, wow, the Lakers are making it respectable.

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Speaker 2: I then turn it off again, and then I had

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Speaker 2: says they won the game. I don't have to tell you.

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Speaker 4: When Garrett got home, he exploded through the door.

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Speaker 2: Greatest game by by that greatest game ever. I fell

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Speaker 2: happy for him. But you mentioned Lebron James, and I

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Speaker 2: love when you know. When Tiger Woods won his Masters,

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Speaker 4: Oh, now he's gonna break Jack's record.

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Speaker 2: He's back by and he basically said, you do know

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Speaker 2: how many things had to go right for this to happen,

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Speaker 2: Like he was realistic about the situation. I played really well.

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Speaker 2: I played better than everybody else in the final round.

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Speaker 2: That's why I won. But other guys had to sort of,

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Speaker 2: you know, fall back. After this game, Lebron was as

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Speaker 2: pretty philosophical talking about that I found myself in the zone,

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Speaker 2: and when I mean in the zone, like I can

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Speaker 2: do no wrong. And I also know when the game's over,

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Speaker 2: I'm no longer in the zone. So what happened today?

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Speaker 2: The idea, well, this, if it happens once, it can

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Speaker 2: He's throwing up twenty six foot threes and they're just

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Speaker 1: I was so glad with his answer, because I mean know,

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Speaker 1: Lebron lives to talk. Lebron crowns himself. Nobody crowns him.

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Speaker 1: He crowns himself as the king. But that answer was

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Speaker 1: very real, especially because Lebron is not known to make

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Speaker 1: threes like that, right. It wasn't like Curry because if

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Speaker 1: done that throughout his career multiple times. That's not his

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Speaker 1: that third He made five three pointers I think in

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Speaker 1: I was like, that's it, You're not he's he is

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Speaker 1: could just tell nobody else was around. He was by himself.

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Speaker 1: in a zone where I don't know how you snap

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Speaker 1: him out of it. A timeout wasn't gonna do it,

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Speaker 1: and it didn't because the tyler called the time out

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Speaker 1: And again, I don't hate Lebron at all. I know

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Speaker 1: he gets a lot of people's skin. He's funny to me.

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Speaker 1: He says things that make me laugh. But I always

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Speaker 1: have given him credit for what he's doing in your

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Speaker 1: twenty one and to put that show on, like how

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Speaker 1: do you. How are you not seeing the great news

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Speaker 4: Well, and now he's nine points away from forty thousand.

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Speaker 1: Is that how you dance to Steve like Martin? Martin

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Speaker 2: He can move.

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Speaker 2: I was working out with my trainer this morning and

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Speaker 1: You have to do much as a man, you just

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Speaker 2: is joining us right now. Mark, I want to get

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Speaker 2: right to the top and Lebron James on the verge

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Speaker 2: to make a statement here Mark, obviously I want to

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Speaker 2: And when I hear people try to tout Michael Jordan

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, we are reminded almost every.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a very tough question, one that I wrestle

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Speaker 7: But I think that what often gets lost for the

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Speaker 1: No, no, Mark, it's crazy. Hi Mark, thanks for hanging out.

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Speaker 1: You know I was telling Steve you couldn't not enjoy

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Speaker 7: He has an illness. I suspect that we'll be back,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had good news Fromonse. So my son, who's

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Speaker 2: I've maintained this throughout this season, Mark that look, the

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Speaker 7: Yeah, top three in the NBA. I have Boston, the

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Speaker 7: I keep going back and forth between Nuggets and Clippers.

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Speaker 7: But the Nuggets, we have most of their championship core back.

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Speaker 7: I think that you hit on the money, Steve, that

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Speaker 7: So I would say, yeah, top three Celtics, Clippers, Nuggets.

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Speaker 1: Another team that's one five in a row, Mark after

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Speaker 1: heard Damian Lillard say how hard it's been being alone

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Speaker 1: in Milwaukee because his entire family is still in Portland.

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Speaker 1: Is their chemistry finally kicking in?

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Speaker 7: Yes, it is, And I'm glad you brought up the

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Speaker 7: Bucks because I don't need to give them short change.

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Speaker 7: They're still in the mix. They're a good team. I

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Speaker 7: just think that the Celtics have everything going that barring,

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Speaker 7: you know, say, an injury to Porzingis or really anyone else.

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Speaker 7: They just have so much separation when it comes to depth,

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Speaker 7: their defense and their chemistry. But I think things are

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Speaker 7: looking very positive with Milwaukee. They're settling into Doc Rivers's

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Speaker 7: schemes that are simply a lot simpler than what Adrian

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Speaker 7: Griffin was trying to preach. For all of Doc's shortcomings

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Speaker 7: as a playoff coach, a lot of it had more

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Speaker 7: to do with circumstances with injuries and his key players underperforming,

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Speaker 7: And I think the positive parts about his experience and

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Speaker 7: managing personalities will come to full bloom. And I think

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Speaker 7: the scary harmonse is for whatever the so called struggles

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Speaker 7: that the Bucks have had with trying to get the

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Speaker 7: most out of the Gianna Fonte Decompo David Lower partnership,

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Speaker 7: it's still been pretty damn good that they're only going

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Speaker 7: to get better and so all that's trained in the

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Speaker 7: right direction. But I just don't think they have enough

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Speaker 7: defensively and enough depth to match up with Lost and

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Speaker 7: the look. That's why they play the games. It should

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Speaker 7: be fun.

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Speaker 2: Final word on Lebron is he is going to pass

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Speaker 2: forty thousand points. Keep in mind that Kevin Durant has

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Speaker 2: twenty eight thousand, and he's a scorer, and he still

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Speaker 2: hasn't even gotten to thirty thousand, much less forty thousand,

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Speaker 2: and Steph is in the twenty three thousand range. So

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Mark, I don't know if anybody is

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Speaker 2: ever going to think about this. That's averaging two thousand

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Speaker 2: points a year for twenty years. It's wild.

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Speaker 4: It's an insane number.

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Speaker 2: And as you mentioned, this is not a guy who

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Speaker 2: has been a super scorer because he has passed the

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Speaker 2: ball as much. Mark, we always appreciate at the time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. We'll do it again next week.

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Speaker 7: Are looking forward to your guys are the best?

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Speaker 2: All right, thanks so much to Hey, it's the great

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Speaker 2: Mark Medina joining us there. All right, Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 2: NBA Insider. Let's find out now what is a trend name?

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Speaker 2: Martin is in the house, No surprise because he's he's

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Speaker 2: always doing double duty in the updates doing his own

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Speaker 2: radio show. So who is your goat? I mean, is

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Speaker 2: is it Jordan or is it Lebron. Where do you

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Speaker 2: stand on this?

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Speaker 8: I'd have to say Lebron, But honestly, I know this

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Speaker 8: is blasphemous to say on sports talk radio.

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Speaker 2: I don't care. It doesn't. It doesn't, it doesn't.

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Speaker 8: It's not something that truly doesn't effect It doesn't upset me.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't bother me.

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Speaker 1: Like hear that, I understand that. I don't like. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't bother me. If you say one or the other,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh there, I do.

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Speaker 2: Well, well, well, what's your favorite ice? Can you like chocolate?

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Speaker 2: Are like Teberry the great? I get that? But where

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Speaker 2: it bothers me because you can make the argument for

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Speaker 2: years I used to say, why is why are we

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Speaker 2: not talking? Kareem abdul Jabbar won more MVP Awards and

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Speaker 2: anyone's still six six time NBA champion, But it seems

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Speaker 2: like that's my dad's move. Yeah, it's what about Wilt?

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Speaker 2: Yeah what about Wilt? You know, a hundred point game

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Speaker 2: and everything else. But to demean Lebron, that's that's where

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Speaker 2: I draw a line. Well, you know, there's no negative

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Speaker 2: with Lebron. I agree that. I don't understand where's the negative?

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Speaker 2: And his personal life, he's a family man. I mean,

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Speaker 2: where is the negative? Well, what about the decision? What

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Speaker 2: about the decision? He left Cleveland, he went to Miami,

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Speaker 2: won two championships, then came back to Cleveland and won

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Speaker 2: a championship.

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Speaker 9: We're also going to pretend like Cleveland wasn't giving him

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Speaker 9: help on it was was like just giving him all

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Speaker 9: the help he needed the first time around, which Swearer

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Speaker 9: thres exactly.

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Speaker 4: So, I mean, I don't I mean the politics whatever,

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Speaker 4: that not.

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Speaker 7: Kay.

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Speaker 2: If he wants to voice his opinion, that's all fine.

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Speaker 2: But in terms of I always conducted himself on the court,

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Speaker 2: what he's represented to the NBA, there is no negative. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean that's anything I would be doing, just be nitpicking.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, And you know who's got time for that on

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Speaker 8: a Saturday afternoon, right, of course. NFL News The Athletic

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Speaker 8: reporting that Brocos quarterback Russell Wilson likely to be cut

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Speaker 8: as soon as next week. Thirteen year veteran left tackle

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Speaker 8: Tyron Smith unlikely to resign with the Cowboys. He and

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Speaker 8: owner Jerry Jones couldn't agree on a new compensation. Smith,

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Speaker 8: an eight time Pro Bowler. Wide receiver Mike Evans, expected

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Speaker 8: to test free agency reports, saying he wants to play

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Speaker 8: with three things, an elite quarterback, be paid like a

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Speaker 8: top wide out, and compete for a Super Bowl. But

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Speaker 8: he's not ruling out returning to Tampa. Former Chargers quarterback

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Speaker 8: head coach, I'm sorry. Former Chargers head coach Brenda Staley

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Speaker 8: will join the San Francisco forty nine Ers as the

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Speaker 8: assistant head coach forty nine Ers, also promoting defensive passing

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Speaker 8: game specialist Nick Sorensen has new dc lsuit quarterback Jaden

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Speaker 8: Daniels and wide receiver from Elite Neighbors did not participate

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Speaker 8: in the measurements of the combine, saying they would do

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Speaker 8: so at their pro day March twenty seventh in Baton Rouge,

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Speaker 8: which is singling a trend more and more people opting

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Speaker 8: out of different things at the combine. Johnny Manziel is

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Speaker 8: opting out of the Heisman Trophy ceremony. He says he's

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Speaker 8: boycotting the Heisman Trophy ceremony until two thousand and five

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Speaker 8: winner Reggie bush And gets his Heisman Trophy back.

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Speaker 2: We have one game in the NBA right now, the

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Speaker 2: Hawks and the Nets.

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Speaker 8: The Nets with the lead sixty eight to sixty four

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Speaker 8: with eight minutes and ten seconds left in the third quarter.

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Speaker 8: Earlier today in college basketball, Creighton beat Marquette eighty nine

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Speaker 8: to seventy five. First win for the Blue Jays over

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Speaker 8: the Golden Eagles since March tenth, twenty twenty two. It's

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Speaker 8: been a minute barely beat Kansas eighty two to seventy four.

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Speaker 8: Illinois on the road beat Wisconsin eighty nine to eighty three.

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Speaker 8: Kentucky beat Arkansas one eleven to one O two Musselman

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Speaker 8: squad in trouble. They have five and eleven in conference play.

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Speaker 8: South Carolina be Florida eighty two to seventy six. And

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Speaker 8: as a native child of New Orleans Moncee, I'll tell

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Speaker 8: you this and somebody who was there, actually I was

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Speaker 8: there what I left Friday, so I was there this week,

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Speaker 8: just there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 4: It's a wild place. It's a great place to be from.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, I loved it. I want to go back. I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you, I.

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Speaker 2: Highly recommend it to me. There is no other place

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Speaker 2: in the world like it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I just remember feeling like people ask me like

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Speaker 1: there's a there's a Vegas aspect to it. But I

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Speaker 1: love the jazz music. I would hear walking down the

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Speaker 1: street from like every little place. I walked into so

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Speaker 1: many places it was a live jazz band.

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Speaker 8: If I may don't the comparison between Vegas and New

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Speaker 8: Orleans starts with you can drink outside and stops what

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Speaker 8: you can drink outside.

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Speaker 2: Real people live in New Orleans. It's a real it's

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Speaker 2: a real town.

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Speaker 1: You're right, I don't disagree, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: And it's like that the whole city is like that, right,

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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Like Vegas, no Vegas.

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Speaker 8: You got like five blocks of just destruction with the

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Speaker 8: strip and then after you go out into you know,

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Speaker 8: real Vegas.

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Speaker 2: Like I did a show out in Vegas at our affiliate.

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Speaker 2: I was as I did the show from there. It's

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Speaker 2: twenty minutes off the strip, you know what I look,

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Speaker 2: it's like the reft of America.

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Speaker 1: I went into a mall at in New Orleans to

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Speaker 1: buy something and there was like this wine place and

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Speaker 1: they were like, oh, did you want your wine to

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Speaker 1: go at the mall? And I was like I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: who Yeah. It was like I could walk around the

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Speaker 1: mall drinking a slushy wine and they're like yeah, and

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Speaker 1: then I got in a car and like my uber

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Speaker 1: and I was like, can I bring this in here?

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Speaker 1: And he said, yeah, no problem, just pretend to put

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Speaker 1: a lid on it. Yes, okay, you're right, it's not

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Speaker 1: one strip.

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Speaker 8: You are one hundred percent the paraphrase Hannibal Burst. He says,

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Speaker 8: I walked into a bar, got a drink, said I

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Speaker 8: don't like this bar. I'm gonna leave it and take

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Speaker 8: this drink with me and another bar and get another drink.

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Speaker 8: Because that's how you can do it in New Orleans.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's you're right by the way.

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Speaker 2: In New Orleans.

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Speaker 4: I was there three times covering the Zurich Golf Classic.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, now you would love this. So you know,

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Speaker 2: a normalist had a golf tournament, they have, let's say,

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Speaker 2: at the turn, a place to stop to eat, because

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Speaker 2: I have like a pro am day, like every tournament

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Speaker 2: has before you get to the regular tournament. But at

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Speaker 2: the Zurich Golf Classic, which now is team competition, was

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Speaker 2: individual back in those years, they had food at every hole.

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Speaker 2: Now in New Orleans, I am convinced because again having

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Speaker 2: many late nights, many late nights there, you could walk

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Speaker 2: into any bar and when I say any bar, like

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Speaker 2: a place like unless you are already inebriated, you probably

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Speaker 2: would not think of walking in the door. Sure, and

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Speaker 2: you could order gumbo or no Steve Dirty right here,

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Speaker 2: I'll finish for you. You could order anything anything. But

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Speaker 2: the thing about it is it's always good, absolutely correct.

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Speaker 2: And so at this golf tournament they would have all

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Speaker 2: these locals bring their food. Oh, that's absolutely I mean

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Speaker 2: the my dad used to say this.

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Speaker 8: He's like, if a restaurant closes in New Orleans after

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Speaker 8: nine months, you just know that the food was terrible

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Speaker 8: because it's not gonna last, no one's gonna go.

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Speaker 2: It's I've never had bad food anywhere there. Ever, it's

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Speaker 2: hard to do ever after you guys. So anyway, thank

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Speaker 2: you very much, Martin. Once again, we're here at the

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Speaker 2: tire rack dot Com studios. I want to follow up

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Speaker 2: on that story about Reggie Bush and Johnny manself. So

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Speaker 2: I was down in Miami in two thousand and five

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Speaker 2: for the BCS Championship game between USC and Oklahoma. So

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Speaker 2: this was the year that Matt Leinert had won the

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Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy USC. Reggie, as a sophomore, had finished fifth

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Speaker 2: in the voting. But it was obvious he was a

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Speaker 2: big star and was going to have to stay at

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Speaker 2: least one more year at USC. And I was watching

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Speaker 2: practice and I was shown that that is Reggie's stepfather.

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Speaker 2: So I thought I'd walk up to him and sort

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Speaker 2: of introduce myself and sort of congratulated him, you know,

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Speaker 2: on this amazing Reggie Bush of performance. So I did.

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Speaker 4: I introduced myself, and he immediately came at me with this.

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Speaker 2: The ruining him. I'm sorry what they're ruining him? I'm like,

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Speaker 2: he was first team All American all Purpose, he was

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Speaker 2: fifth in the Heisman. How are they ruining him? He

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Speaker 2: needs to be running the ball. He needs to be

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Speaker 2: a full time running He's going on this rant, and

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking something's going on here. If you remember how

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Speaker 2: this whole thing came down, his stepfather cut a deal

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Speaker 2: with a couple of guys to have this house to

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Speaker 2: live in with Reggie's mom, with the weak wink that

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Speaker 2: they would be the agents for Reggie Bush once he

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Speaker 2: was emerging from the USC, and then he renegged on

653
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 2: the deal, so they blew the whistle, which led to

654
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: the investigation, with which led to the probation and the

655
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 2: forfeiting of wins and everything else. I to this day,

656
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: now Reggie has never called him out. I don't know

657
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: his relationship with his stepfather, but I imagine it's pretty good.

658
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: But I still maintained to this day Reggie Bush had

659
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: no clue what was going on that if even if

660
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: he were to ask his stepfather, he said, no, no, no,

661
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 2: don't worry about it. I'm just doing this on my own.

662
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 1: That's always how I thought the situation was.

663
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: I don't think this was not like that's how it

664
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: went down, and the penalty was way over the top.

665
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I mean what they did to the

666
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: USC program in terms of probation, stripping them of all

667
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: these scholarships and everything else, banning him from the university

668
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: for ten years, and of course stripping him of his

669
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy. Now I understand this about the Heisman Trophy,

670
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 2: and this is coming from someone that is very privileged

671
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: to be a Heisman voted the last fourteen years.

672
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: Oh vote, I didn't know that.

673
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 2: I vote every year, thank you very much.

674
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 5: Ill.

675
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 2: But I have been in New York a couple of

676
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: times and visited the Heisman Trust, and these are friends

677
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: of mine, and they'll all say the exact same thing.

678
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: We want him to be part of the Heisman family.

679
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: We love everything about Reggie Bush. The reason we can't

680
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 2: give him back his Heisman, and again the Heisman sets

681
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 2: their own rules, is that according to.

682
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 4: The NCAA, he didn't play that year.

683
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 2: All the numbers that he put up in the year

684
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 2: that he won the Heisman Trophy were stripped by the

685
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: NCAA s he forfeited all their games that year. So

686
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: according to the NCAA, even though obviously they did play,

687
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 2: none of those games were actually in the record books.

688
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: So the Heisman Trust has always said the same thing.

689
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 2: If the NCAA reinstates his numbers, we will hand him

690
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 2: back his Heisman Trophy. Which is, by the way, why

691
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 2: they didn't hand the Heisman Trophy to Vince Young, who

692
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: finished second the voting, because he didn't win the Heisman.

693
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: Reggie Bush won the Heisman. So and that's why Reggie

694
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: assued the NCAA to get his numbers reinstated so that

695
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 2: he can be reinstated as a Heisman Trophy winner.

696
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: This really has always been a story that I have

697
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 1: never understood why the nc DOUBLEA has like doubled down,

698
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: tripled down year after year when he did not. I agree,

699
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: I don't think he knew and I think it was

700
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: like ignorance's bliss. So they didn't tell him anything. But

701
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 1: he did not go and like make this money off

702
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 1: to the side. He didn't do any of that. And

703
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: to think that there aren't other players before this NIL deal,

704
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: other players out there that were also in some way benefiting,

705
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 1: you know, from their athleticism. I mean, did Lebron James

706
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: have a hummer when he was like fifteen years old

707
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: or sixteen years old, like they'll get me right, like

708
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: little things like that where we know this, So I've

709
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: never understood it. When I read the story about Johnny

710
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: Mansill saying this, I was like, yes, because now with NIL,

711
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: the nc DOUBLEA looks even.

712
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 2: Stupider well, and the idea that the NCAA can't reverse

713
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 2: a decision is wrong.

714
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: It is, of course it is.

715
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: When Joe Paterno and all the hullabaloo that happened at

716
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: Penn State Strip, they were stripped of a bunch of wins,

717
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: over one hundred wins.

718
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 4: Two years after coach Paterno passed away.

719
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 2: They reinstated all of them to once again, at that

720
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 2: time making him the winningest coach in Division One history.

721
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: So it's not like the NCA has not reversed their

722
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: decisions in the past and reinstated numbers they had taken

723
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 2: off the books. It is time. It's ridiculous. I have

724
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 2: talked to you several dozens of Heisman winners over the years.

725
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: I remember Barry Sanders was on the show. I said, Barry,

726
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 2: let's say you're hanging out the Heisman house. There's a

727
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 2: knock at the door, and Reggie Bush is at the door,

728
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 2: and you let him in. He goes, of course, because

729
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: he's one of us. Yes se, all the Heisman winners

730
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: are with Johnny Manziel. He will always be a Heisman

731
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 2: Trophy winner, whether he actually owns a Heisman or not.

732
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: But it also affects at the university. Remember there are

733
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 2: two Heismans given out every year, one to the individual,

734
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: one to the university. You go to USC got all

735
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: these Heisman trophies, there's no Reggie Bush. He wants it back.

736
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't blame him. I don't blame them. It's time.

737
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: All right, Speaking of time, it's time for another thing

738
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 2: that we need to talk about today. A little update

739
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: on the NFL Combine and what really matters you're gonna

740
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 2: find out. This is Fox Sports Saturday. You're listening to

741
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio Radio Steve Harmin and Monsi Belagas. Here

742
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Saturday. We're live from the Tiraq dot Com studios.

743
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 2: Coming up in a couple hours, are going to be

744
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: joined by Adam Kaplan, our Fox Sports Radio NFL insider.

745
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: He is in Indianapolis for the Combine and look, well,

746
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 2: you know, let it out. Well, this has been a

747
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 2: little bit different for me this year. I got rid

748
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 2: of Direct TV after one hundred years. I went to

749
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: Spectrum and I don't have the NFL network. I didn't

750
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 2: really realize it until like this week because normally I

751
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 2: would be watching a lot of the Combine. But I've

752
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: always come away with the Combine just shaking my head

753
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: in disbelief, like what is this? Yeah, I mean what

754
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: do we even watch it?

755
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: And it seems like every year less and less participation,

756
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: and so really is it? You think it's going away?

757
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: Like that's happening?

758
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 2: So how many times during the course of an actual

759
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: game do you see a player in shorts running forty

760
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 2: yards in a straight line with no one around them?

761
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: Is it that, Yeah, the whole game. I'm just kidding. Never,

762
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: not ever, not once.

763
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 2: Is there a single thing they do during the combine

764
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: that actually translates to a game.

765
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: No, unless you're just trying to see how far a

766
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: guy can throw right, But yeah, it's almost a bit

767
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: of a skills challenge here.

768
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 2: Christy.

769
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 4: Do you have that Caleb Williams sound that I heard

770
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 4: a little bit earlier one where.

771
00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:01,720
Speaker 9: He's addressing the fantasy football writer who's badgering him. Yeah, okay,

772
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 9: so Caleb Williams is not there, nor why would he be.

773
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: See, he's there, but he's not participating.

774
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 2: He's not participating. And again, okay, this is Caleb Williams,

775
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 2: who will be the first overall pick in this year's

776
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: NFL draft. Caleb, are you afraid to compete? Are you

777
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: afraid to compete?

778
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 3: How do you respond to people say that you're worried

779
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 3: to be compared side by side with your peers in medicals,

780
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 3: measurements and workouts.

781
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 2: Are you afraid to be measured against those guy?

782
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 5: One on one?

783
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: Is that why you're not doing things? No, not doing things.

784
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: There's a decision by me and my team, my family,

785
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 2: and it comes.

786
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 9: Down to that monsieur, you afraid to compete? Are you

787
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 9: a free compete? Is that why you're not in here

788
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 9: with Rob Parker? Are you afraid to compete?

789
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 4: That question was so silly, scared, It was so over

790
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 4: the top.

791
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 1: It was so silly.

792
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: Again. He also later talked about the fact like, if

793
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 2: you want to know what I can do on a

794
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 2: football field, I played thirty games at the collegiate level,

795
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: So you got twenty of films. And this is what

796
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: this has been my point about the combine forever. Okay,

797
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: I guess you have a certain athletic skills contest going on,

798
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: but what does that have to do with actually.

799
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 4: Playing the game? I mean, can you play the game

800
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 4: or can you not play the game?

801
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: It doesn't take into account the instincts the great players

802
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: have that puts them above the rest of the competition.

803
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 1: Listen, if you don't have a reason why the combine

804
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: is worth it, I really don't have one.

805
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 2: You still need to be at baseline value. There's two

806
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 2: things that you need. You need the medicals and you

807
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 2: need interviews to sort of get of a feel if

808
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: they're the right field. Outside of that, the rest of

809
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: this is all made for TV stuff. We're going to

810
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 2: talk about the single greatest name in the sports world today.

811
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Speaker 2: On the other side, this is Fox Sports Saturday. Run

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Speaker 2: we have now turned the calendar to the month of March,

821
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: the single most talked about athlete in the country is

822
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark.

823
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 8: That's right.

824
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: And I want to say something about the Kaitlin Clark

825
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 2: situation by preface in saying that Kaitlin Clark is an

826
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: unbelievable basketball player. I mean, she's a super, super talented

827
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 2: basketball player. So let me preface what I'm about to

828
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 2: say with that. So, she's about to come up on

829
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 2: the scoring record of Pete Maravich. And this is something

830
00:41:55,640 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 2: that has bothered me forever when it comes to women's sports. Now.

831
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: I went to UCLA, and the emergence of college basketball

832
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 2: for women really happened when I went to UCLA in

833
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: the late seventies. In fact, the first ever Women's Final

834
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 2: Four was held at poly Pavilion in nineteen seventy eight.

835
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 2: My UCLA Bruins, led by my dear friend Ann Myers

836
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame Ann Myers, won the national championship that year,

837
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 2: and at that point Title nine had been in place

838
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: for about five years. And we've just seen a growth

839
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 2: in the game over these many, many many years. And

840
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 2: I've had a number of friends, Cheryl Miller, who I

841
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 2: still believe is the most talented women's basketball player that

842
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: I've ever seen. These are friends of mine, and I

843
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: fiercely protect their legacy by saying this. Every single time

844
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: that I hear some top women's record, whether it's a

845
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 2: team achievement, a coaching achievement, or a player achievement compared

846
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: to a man's, I cringe. And it's not because I

847
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 2: cringe from the man's standpoint. I cringe from the women's

848
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: standpoint because it seems like in order to justify their

849
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: numbers or to put some relevance to their numbers. They

850
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 2: need to be compared to a man's numbers, even though

851
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: they're completely separate sports, completely separate. To me, it does

852
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 2: a disservice to the women. If you want to compare

853
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark to Pete Maravich who played from nineteen sixty

854
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 2: seven to nineteen seventy and then and I saw this

855
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 2: ridiculous article trying to draw comparisons to the two in

856
00:43:54,719 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: their games. Their games are completely different, completely different. But

857
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: you know, you see a number and you want to

858
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,720
Speaker 2: compare it. I mean, she's going to pass his career

859
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 2: total of points. She's played almost fifty more games than

860
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 2: he did. He also didn't have a three point line

861
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: when he played college basketball, nor was there a shot clock,

862
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 2: which means scoring was way down in those days because

863
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 2: teams purposely held the ball, so people like Pete Maravich

864
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: couldn't score as many points as he could. He still

865
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 2: averaged forty four points a game for his entire career.

866
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Speaker 2: So my point it's not that it does, you know,

867
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: a disservice to Pete Maravich's legacy. It's not allowing Caitlin

868
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 2: Clark's numbers to stand on their own. She doesn't need

869
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 2: to be compared to anybody. She's done enough in the

870
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 2: course of her career at Iowa to mark HER's place

871
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 2: in the annals of women's collegiate basketball, and to me,

872
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 2: that's enough.

873
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: So I agree with a lot of what you said,

874
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: and then I think there's parts of it that you,

875
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 1: as a man, are never gonna understand, Like just women

876
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: in general. For some reason, it's never enough, and so

877
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: somebody always brings in the man to compare, which I'm like,

878
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: why why are we doing that? I never saw Pistol

879
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: Pete play, but I can tell you it was at

880
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: a very different time, and I can only assume a

881
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: very different skill set, a different style of play and

882
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: all of that. I don't know why the comparison of

883
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: them as players, But it doesn't bother me that you

884
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: read where you might read, oh, she just broke this,

885
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: she's doing this, and she's this close to reaching pistol

886
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: p I don't know why people get so angry about that.

887
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 1: She is going to break that record for men and women.

888
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: What's so bad about that?

889
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 3: Now?

890
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: The comparison of them as players, I one hundred percent

891
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: agree with you, why are we comparing that? But as

892
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: a footnote that she's also about to break that. I

893
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: don't get what the problem is as a footnote. Okay,

894
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: that makes sense.

895
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 2: All right, Well, then why aren't they making a point

896
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: that she will not break the record of pearl More. Now,

897
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: if you don't know who pearl More is, pearl More

898
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: actually holds the collegiate record for most points in a

899
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: collegiate career. In fact, she earned a spot in the

900
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 2: Nasmith Basketball Hall of Fame. And you're saying, who the hell.

901
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: Is pearl More?

902
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: So pearl More played her collegiate basketball at let's see,

903
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 2: where was it, Francis Marion University. She scored more than

904
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 2: four thousand points in her career, averaging better than thirty

905
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 2: points a game. In fact, at the time, she broke

906
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 2: the record of a guy named Travis Grant, who actually

907
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 2: holds the all college record. He broke a record of

908
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: Pete Maravich. But she is the all time score period

909
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: four thousand and sixty one points and Kaylin Clark is

910
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 2: not going to get to that number. So again, if

911
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 2: you're just throwing numbers out there in terms of breaking

912
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 2: this record, she's the all time leading scorer, well, then, actually,

913
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 2: the all time leading scorer in the history of women's

914
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: college basketball is named Pearl Moore. She's a year older

915
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: than I am, so she's not like, you know, played

916
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: seventy years ago or anything like that. So this is

917
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: my whole point. And by the way, when we talk

918
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 2: about the greatest women's college basketball player of all time,

919
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 2: there's one name that stands out among all the others.

920
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 2: The reason at Kareem abdul Jabbar is rated the greatest

921
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 2: college basketball player of all time is because he won

922
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 2: championships all three years he was at UCLA and was

923
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 2: the MOP most Outstanding player all three times. Well, on

924
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 2: the women's side, you actually have someone that did better

925
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: than that, Breonna Stewart, who of course is now the

926
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 2: reigning WNBA MVP. In her four years at Yukon, their

927
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: record was one hundred and fifty one and five. They

928
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 2: had two perfect seasons, they won four straight NCAA championships,

929
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 2: and she was the MOP in all four. So to

930
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 2: say that, like, well, you know, Caitlin Clark's the greatest

931
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: women's basket she's not. If you go by the numbers.

932
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 2: Bianna Stewart is literally by herself, four time All American,

933
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 2: four time MOP, four National Championships. And by the way,

934
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 2: she's a two time MVP in the WNBA, so her

935
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 2: winning ways of continuing once she moved to the professional ranks.

936
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: So why isn't Breonna Stewart in the same mention with

937
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: Caitlyn Clark.

938
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 1: I can give you several reasons as to why. I

939
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: think social media is one of them because back then

940
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: maybe people weren't able to see them. One of them

941
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: social media. People weren't able to see Brianna Stewart the

942
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: way that you're able to see Kaitlyn Clark in the

943
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: blink of an eye.

944
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 2: You just look it up, you're gonna see she Stewart

945
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 2: was playing in twenty sixteen, but.

946
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: It wasn't the same. It still wasn't the same. But

947
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of people are giving Kaitlyn

948
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: Clark so much credit is because she into Iowa, not Yukon,

949
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 1: which is already a big school that was already winning.

950
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: Iowa was nobody, Okay, and m stay there and put.

951
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 8: Them on the map.

952
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 1: So I think that's that's a big reason she's getting

953
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: more credit then maybe she would be getting if she

954
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: went elsewhere.

955
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 2: Okay, So Iowa got to the national championship game and

956
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 2: got blown out by LSU.

957
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: Yes, they did. But Iowa also beat South Carolina in

958
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: the final four and they've only lost one game in

959
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: how many right?

960
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 3: Yes?

961
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 2: And the mop of the final four last year was

962
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 2: Angel Reese LSU.

963
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: Yes.

964
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 2: So again, if you're if you're depends again what you're

965
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 2: looking at. Pete Maravich in this three years of varsity,

966
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 2: was an eligible as a freshman, never played in the

967
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 2: NCAA tournament. Now, the nca tournament was different in those days.

968
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: To qualify, team had to win the conference championship. There

969
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 2: was no second, third, fourth place. It was a much

970
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 2: smaller field. You had to win your conference, which LSU

971
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 2: never did when he was there, So he never got

972
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 2: to actually play in the NCAA tournament. So what matters

973
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 2: to you in terms of determining the best? And again

974
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 2: this is that going back to the whole goat thing.

975
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: Is it about individual numbers or is it about winning championships?

976
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 2: And so this again, this is not to diminish in

977
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 2: any way what Caitlin Clark has done. This I will

978
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 2: concede to her. Though we've never had a women's basketball

979
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 2: player draw more intention attention in terms of people literally

980
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 2: going out of their way to get a seat to

981
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 2: a game she plays in, whether it's at home or

982
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,839
Speaker 2: on the road, to actually see her play. Yeah, I've

983
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 2: never seen anything like that on the women's side.

984
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,439
Speaker 1: Never. Another thing that I'm only guessing here that people

985
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: see Kitlyn Clark a little bit like what we said

986
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: last week or two weeks ago about Steph Curry that

987
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: she just seems more relatable, Like she doesn't seem like

988
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: she's gonna go out there and kill you with her shot,

989
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: but she does. And so she looks flashy, and I

990
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: know that's not necessarily a good enough reason as to

991
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: why she's getting so much attention, but she does it

992
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 1: in a flashy way. Well you know what, You look

993
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 1: at her and you're kind of like, man, that was

994
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: a crazy shot, and now just what she has ten

995
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: crazy shots in a week.

996
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 2: ESPN's Holly row who covers obviously a lot of the

997
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 2: women's games then hats for many many years. She does

998
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 2: a great job. She made the comparison to Taylor Swift. Okay,

999
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 2: she's she goes she's Taylor Swift of Women's a girl

1000
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 2: next door. Well, it's just the idea that there's something

1001
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 2: about her, the ras people to want to see her.

1002
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: It's almost like an X factor. You can't really pin rite.

1003
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that, and that seems like an

1004
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: accrid description. But like I said, in terms of her

1005
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 2: place in history and the idea, and again I this,

1006
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 2: I just cringe every time they try to compare. I

1007
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 2: remember when Yukon won ninety in a row, breaking UCLA's

1008
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 2: record of eighty eight. They're not the same sport. They

1009
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 2: don't play against each other. There's it's it's like tennis.

1010
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 2: It's like trying to compare Serena Williams to Djokovic. It

1011
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 2: was it was funny, like you have Serena, you know,

1012
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 2: passing let's say Federer. Well, no one said Djokovic just

1013
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: passed Serena. No one said that. No one would say that, yes,

1014
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: And so this is why I'm so frustrated. From the

1015
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 2: women's standpoint. The women have earned the right to stand

1016
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 2: on their own. They don't need to be compared in

1017
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 2: any way to the men's game. They don't compete against

1018
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 2: the men. They don't play the same sport as the men.

1019
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 2: So the I and by the way, there's no NCAA

1020
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: record book that includes the records of men and women

1021
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 2: to get they have separate record books. You don't have

1022
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 2: any record book that lists the name of Pete Marovitch

1023
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 2: next to Caitlin Clark. This is manufactured stuff that, in

1024
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 2: my opinion, is completely unnecessary.

1025
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: You're not wrong about that. You are not wrong that

1026
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: it is unnecessary and that Kaitlyn Clark should not need

1027
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 1: to be compared. You're not wrong in all of that.

1028
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: But another thing that I'm gonna add to us to

1029
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: why I think Kitlyn Clark is this big star in

1030
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 1: front of our eyes. I just think that a lot

1031
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: of stars have aligned for her. The WNBA hasn't been

1032
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: the most popular, but it has grown in popularity. We

1033
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: can go back years, starting with Kandice Parker great. We

1034
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: can go to Sabrina Unescu, who was very good friends

1035
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: with Kobe and Kobe would go to games with his

1036
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: daughter to watch them. Little by little, WNBA has grown.

1037
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: I went to a Las Vegas Aces game last year.

1038
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: It was a sold out game, sold out game. People

1039
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: were chanting like I was like, you guys are a

1040
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: real fan base, Like they had things that they were

1041
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: all chanting, and I was very surprised because you get

1042
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 1: this idea nobody goes to WNBA games. Boy was I wrong.

1043
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 1: That thing was a sold out crowd. So I think

1044
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: the stars have aligned in a way for her where

1045
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 1: it's just a perfect time to be this flashy X

1046
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: factor player on a team that nobody was really following

1047
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, and then social media, Like honest,

1048
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: it's just a lot of different factors as to why

1049
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: she has come to the top and pushed to this pedestal.

1050
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,479
Speaker 1: Let's say when you can compare how many players because

1051
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: I didn't watch Cheryl Miller play, but I remember like

1052
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: watching videos of her growing up and I was like,

1053
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: this girl can play in the NBA. That's what I

1054
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: remember thinking when I was little.

1055
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 2: Well, and obviously she schooled her younger brother Reggie. Yeah,

1056
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 2: it goes about that. Look at I remember when Candas

1057
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 2: Parker was at Tennessee and I'm thinking of myself seeing her.

1058
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 2: I mean you talk about checking every box, yep. I

1059
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 2: mean she was the best player in the contrary, she

1060
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 2: had the look, she had everything, and I said, if

1061
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 2: there's ever going to be a woman that's gonna take

1062
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 2: the WNBA to the next level. And by the way,

1063
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 2: she was rookie of the Air, an MVP of first Year.

1064
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 2: But here's what happens. It's much noise. As Caitlin Clark

1065
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 2: is making the collegiate level. We've seen this before, and

1066
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, they go to the WNBA

1067
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 2: and their star power diminishes. It does not grow in

1068
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 2: the WNBA for whatever reason. I'm not sure why, but

1069
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 2: the fact is we've seen some top level collegiate stars

1070
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 2: who are getting a lot of attention and then they

1071
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 2: go to the WNBA and it's not the same.

1072
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 1: I am curious. You make a really good point about

1073
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: that because Sabrina Yunescu was a big name and then

1074
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: she went, you know, to the WNBA and like she

1075
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: kind of her name kind of died down. We were

1076
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: just talking about the lines. People get in to watch

1077
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:52,760
Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark.

1078
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Speaker 2: This will be the best thing.

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Speaker 1: This is gonna be a big test our w NBA

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00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: game is gonna bring it.

1081
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 2: Like if she goes to someone, can she be like

1082
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 2: MESSI is to mls oh where you bring in the

1083
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 2: biggest name in the world and all of a sudden,

1084
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 2: at least in matches that he's involved with, it's huge.

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00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, no matter where he goes.

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00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a big test. Because it's gonna be

1087
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: a really big test and I'm looking for I'm.

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00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 4: Gonna be going to watch.

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00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 1: W Moore WNBA games. I went to see the aces

1090
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: just because the aces are stacked and I wanted to

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00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: see you know what I mean. Like now it's like,

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00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: where's Iowa Clark? Where i Where's Caitlin Clark going? We

1093
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: should go watch that game.

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00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 2: We'll see how this works out. Montsey again, I wish

1095
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 2: her art nothing but the best. She is entertaining. Uh

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00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 2: and right in the moment, she is the name in

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Speaker 2: college basketball. So what does that mean for the men's game?

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Speaker 2: As we are just a couple of weeks away from

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Speaker 2: selection Sunday, We're gonna break down the odyssey that is

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00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 2: men's college basketball. This is Fox Sports Saturday, Steve Harbin,

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Speaker 2: Montzi Belogios. Here on Fox Sports Saturday. We're coming alive

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1109
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Speaker 2: We've got a lot of ground to cover coming up

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00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 2: in our next hour. Adam Kaplan's going to be joining

1111
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 2: us live from Indianapolis, all the latest from the NFL combine.

1112
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 2: We're talking about Caitlin Clark. She has run circles around

1113
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 2: anyone on the men's side in terms of name recognition

1114
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 2: on the collegiate game this year. But this is a

1115
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 2: pattern that we have seen for several years on the

1116
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 2: men's side. So I'm looking at a list of MPs

1117
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 2: that's the most outstanding players, not the MVP. It's always

1118
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 2: been MP when it comes to the final four and

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00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 2: you go back in time, right and you see, you know,

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Speaker 2: Bill Russell, Will Chamberlain, l Jim Baylor, Jerry West, lu

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00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 2: Al Cinder, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Bill Walton, Irvin Johnson, Magic There,

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00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 2: Isaiah Thomas, Carmelo, Anthony see all these recognizable names. But

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00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 2: since Anthony Davis helped Kentucky and coach CalWIN his one

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00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 2: championship back in twenty twelve, the other ten names, Remember

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00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 2: there was no tournament in twenty twenty because of the

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00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 2: COVID showdown is literally a who's who of who's that?

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00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 2: Like we're talking about Luke Hancock or Tias Jones or

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00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 2: Joel Barry or Kyle Guy. I mean guys that may

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00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 2: have gotten a sniff in the NBA but obviously never

1130
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 2: attained any star or attain any star level at the

1131
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 2: NBA level, And so you would think when you're void

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00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 2: of stars on the men's side. I mean, we talk

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00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 2: about Edie obviously at Perdue, right why is he still

1134
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 2: at Perdue Because he wouldn't have on anywhere in the

1135
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 2: NBA draft. He's a big guy who moves really slow,

1136
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 2: and his game doesn't translate to the NBA level. Look

1137
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 2: at Drew Timmy Dominate Jimmy three time All American against Zaga.

1138
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 2: Where is he right now? So it's a very different game.

1139
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 2: I say this with college football as well. Just because

1140
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 2: you're a superstar college player and it doesn't translate to

1141
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 2: the NFL doesn't diminish at all what you did at

1142
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 2: the college game. It's a different sport. I talked about

1143
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 2: the Caitlin Clark It's a different sport and it's a

1144
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 2: very different game in college basketball than it is in

1145
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 2: the NBA. What doesn't change on the men's side is

1146
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 2: the uniqueness of the NCAA tournament. Almost every American, without exception,

1147
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 2: will fill out a bracket.

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00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: It is quite incredible because seriously, I just looked up

1149
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: like top NBA draft prospects because I don't know of

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01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: any name off the top of my head.

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Speaker 2: This projected draft doesn't include any of these.

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01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: I'm looking at all. This guy's in France. All, this

1153
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: guy's in France.

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01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 8: Oh, this guy's in Serbia or Elite or the or

1155
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 8: the NBA League NBA, Yeah, all.

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Speaker 1: Like the name we keep hearing is Brownie James. That's

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01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: the one name I can tell you that's we talked

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Speaker 1: about as a prospect. Aside from that, but you're not

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01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: on any breathless he's not anymore, right, But that's the

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01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: one new average.

1161
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Speaker 2: Five points and three rebounds a game this year.

1162
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Speaker 1: Understandably, Why so why he's not a team. But you're right,

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Speaker 1: March madness brings everyone together. It doesn't matter everyone's coming together.

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01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fill out a bracket. I don't care. Why

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Speaker 1: is that?

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01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 3: Is?

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01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 9: It?

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Speaker 3: Just? It is? It is?

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Speaker 1: There's nothing like it, right, because it's winner go home.

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Speaker 2: Because those first two days, you know, and I'm not

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01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 2: talking about the first four, you know, those couple of games, yeah,

1172
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 2: before you get to you, yeah, the field of sixty four.

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01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 2: But that Thursday and Friday, sixteen games each of those days,

1174
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 2: which I have said numerous times should be a national hall.

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01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 2: Nobody's doing anything other than staring at their brackets. You

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01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,440
Speaker 2: got eight games in the morning, eight in the afternoon

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01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 2: both Thursday and Friday, and you're sitting there either crossing

1178
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 2: out and hoping that you get to the weekend and

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01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 2: you don't have a busted bracket. And so as the

1180
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 2: tournament unfolds, players that are completely anonymous, completely anonymous before

1181
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 2: the tournament will emerge. And you know last year's final four,

1182
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,919
Speaker 2: you had Yukon, but Yukon hadn't been there in a while. Yeah,

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01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 2: And then you get Miami of Florida. Yeah, I mean

1184
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 2: that's a football school. And then you had Florida Atlantic.

1185
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,560
Speaker 2: And then of course a team I was close to

1186
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 2: at the time, San Diego State, Yes, who never been

1187
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 2: obviously to a Final four. And when Lama Butler hit

1188
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 2: that game winner against Florida Atlantic, you know, to get

1189
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 2: him into the championship game, people went crazy and all

1190
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 2: of a sudden people are talking about him. So it's

1191
01:01:55,480 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 2: just the one and done uniqueness upsets early exactly, and

1192
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 2: it'll carry you all the way to the end. It's

1193
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Speaker 2: just the fact that there's nothing like the NCAA basketball tournament,

1194
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 2: so it creates its own star power.

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01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,280
Speaker 1: Where the beginning of that tournament is just as important,

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Speaker 1: if not more important, that the end. You're not waiting

1197
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: for the end. You know, we were like, oh, I'll watch,

1198
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 1: you know, the end of the playoffs, the end of this.

1199
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Speaker 1: But if you don't watch the first two days, your

1200
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: bracket is not gonna look like what you think. It's

1201
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 1: gonna look like.

1202
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Speaker 2: Everybody's watching the first.

1203
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: Two everybody's that's the beauty of it.

1204
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 4: Nine in the morning in the West Coast until midnight

1205
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 4: till the end.

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01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: You don't want to miss it. And again, it doesn't matter,

1207
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: it literally does not matter that there's no top nbaight

1208
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: prospects that we are talking about in these teams, We're

1209
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: all gonna be so glued to the television for two days.

1210
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the first two days and then if your

1211
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 2: brackets are holding up, then you go for a couple

1212
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 2: of more weeks it's a little rough for me this

1213
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 2: year because my UCLA bruins are not good. You know,

1214
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 2: it's get hammered the other night by UW there. They're

1215
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 2: not gonna get out of the Pac twelve tournament. They

1216
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 2: have to win that. They're not going to get an

1217
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 2: n BID.

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Speaker 4: I'm not quite sure why the NIT still exists. That is,

1219
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 4: I remember UCLA won the n I T one year

1220
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 4: and that was they were like making a big deal.

1221
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, don't embarrass me.

1222
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: Is it like a participation in trophy?

1223
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 2: I mean it's like, come on, I mean it was.

1224
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 2: It was embarrassing, like they they made a page for them.

1225
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 2: You know, they had at that time ten NCAA champions

1226
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 2: hu and then NI teacher, I go, no, no, no,

1227
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 2: We've had teams make it to the final NCAA game

1228
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 2: or get it to the final four.

1229
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 4: That trump's any any any This is.

1230
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Speaker 9: A whole lot of slender against a tournament that used

1231
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 9: to be considered much more prestigious than the NCAA tournament.

1232
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 2: Well it was in fact as recently and this is

1233
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 2: not recent, but in my world, I remember this nineteen

1234
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 2: seventy when Al McGuire was coaching Marquette. They turned down

1235
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 2: an NCAA bid to play in the n I T

1236
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 2: And by the way, they get to Madison Square Guard

1237
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 2: and that was the big draw always at NIT. The

1238
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 2: final fours at Madison Square Garden. That Marquette team played LSU,

1239
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 2: led by Pete Maravich, was his final collegiate game, and

1240
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 2: Marquette held him to twenty points and beat him. They

1241
01:04:10,840 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 2: had a guard named Dean the Dream Memager who would

1242
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 2: later play for the Knicks. By the way, great name

1243
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 2: Dean the dream All right, Uh stopped me before I

1244
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 2: really lose it going down memory lane, dream.

1245
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 4: Being the Dream Manager. But right now, let's find out what.

1246
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 1: Is Martin the Master? No, Martin the Michigan Man.

1247
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 2: There you go, National champion Michigan man like that, there

1248
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 2: you go.

1249
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 8: Speaking of college sports, we have a big basketball slate

1250
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 8: on display today. All of these in the second half

1251
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 8: of about ten minutes left Iowa State and UCF. Iowa

1252
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 8: was staying with a three point lead, forty two to

1253
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,200
Speaker 8: thirty nine North Carolina n C State.

1254
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 2: This has been nip and tuck all day.

1255
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 8: North Carolina fifty six, NC State, fifty two, Mississippi.

1256
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:57,960
Speaker 2: State, and Auburn and Auburn with a ten point lead.

1257
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 8: Fifty to forty South Florida and Charlotte, South Florida with

1258
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 8: the fifteen point lead fifty nine to forty four. We

1259
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 8: got one NBA game in progress right now. The Jazz

1260
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,040
Speaker 8: lead the Heat with two in it's left in the

1261
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 8: first quarter twenty six to twenty four.

1262
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 2: Games that have already been played in the NBA. I'll

1263
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 2: start there. The Nets beat the Hawks one fourteen to

1264
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:17,160
Speaker 2: one oh two.

1265
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 8: McHale bridges with thirty eight and then college basketball creating

1266
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,439
Speaker 8: beat Marquette eighty nine to seventy five. Is the first

1267
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 8: win for the Blue Jays over the Golden Eagle since

1268
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 8: March tenth. Twenty twenty two, Baylor beat Kansas eighty two

1269
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:30,680
Speaker 8: to seventy four.

1270
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 2: Illinois on the road beat Wisconsin eighty nine to eighty three. Razorbacks.

1271
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 8: Arkansas Razorbacks dropped to five and eleven in conference players

1272
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 8: as Kentucky beats them one eleven to one oh two.

1273
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 8: In South Carolina beat Florida eighty two to seventy six.

1274
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 8: In the NFL, we have the Athletic reporting that Roncos

1275
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 8: quarterback Russell Wilson likely to be cut as soon as

1276
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 8: next week. Thirteen year veteran left tackle Tyron Smith unlikely

1277
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 8: to re sign with Dallas after he and Jerry Jones

1278
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 8: cannot agree on a new contract. He's been Tyron Smith

1279
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,320
Speaker 8: is been a Cowboys entire career and an eight time

1280
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 8: Pro Bowler. Also a guy who's been on the same

1281
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,280
Speaker 8: team as whole career. Mike Evans is expected to test

1282
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 8: free agency, with reports saying he wants to play with

1283
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 8: an elite quarterback he played like a top wide out

1284
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 8: and compete for a Super Bowl, but not not quite

1285
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 8: ruling out a return to.

1286
01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay.

1287
01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 8: Former Chargers head coach Brandon Stanley will join the forty

1288
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 8: nine ers as an assistant head coach. Forty nine Ers

1289
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 8: also promoting defensive passing game specialist Nick Sorenson as to

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Speaker 8: the new defensive coordinator position. The LSU quarterback Jade Daniels

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Speaker 8: and wide receiver elite neighbors did not participate in getting

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Speaker 8: measured in the combine, and Jade Daniels didn't even throw.

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Speaker 8: He said they would do that at their pro day

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Speaker 8: later this month in Baton Rouge. And finally, Steve, you

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Speaker 8: just mentioned this a couple of minutes ago, and so

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Speaker 8: did I. For that matter, twenty twelve Heisman Trophy winner

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Speaker 8: Johnny Manziel he will boycott the annual Heisman Trophy ceremony

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Speaker 8: until two thousand and five winner from USC, Reggie Bush,

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Speaker 8: gets his Heisman Trophy back, Steve Montcey Back to you guys.

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Speaker 2: Well, and, as we said a little bit earlier, not

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Speaker 2: going to happen unless the ANCA reinstates his numbers from

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Speaker 2: that season. That's the excused Heisman Trust makes that we

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Speaker 2: had to take it away from him because according to

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Speaker 2: the NCA, he didn't even play that year. He has

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Speaker 2: no numbers, although we beg to differ. Thank you very much, Marvel.

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Speaker 2: Check in with you a little bit later on once again,

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Speaker 2: We're coming you live from the tai Iraq dot com studios.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this. If somebody termed you Moncey normal,

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Speaker 2: would that be an insult to you?

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Speaker 5: Ah?

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Speaker 2: I no, no, Well how about this? So show Hey

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Speaker 2: Otani made a revelation this week that came out of

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Speaker 2: nowhere because nobody, and I mean nobody knew. Show Hey

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Speaker 2: Otani got married to a person that he described as

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Speaker 2: either normal or ordinary, like a normal person or ordinary

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Speaker 2: person depending on the translation. And I'm thinking to myself,

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Speaker 2: you could have said, well, you don't know her, but

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Speaker 2: she's extraordinary, or she's very special, or she's the most

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Speaker 2: amazing woman that I've ever been around. These are usually

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Speaker 2: things that happen when guys get married, you know, wow,

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Speaker 2: when you decide on a life partner, you use those terms.

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Speaker 2: But Otani described a woman that they're still trying to

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Speaker 2: figure out who she is. No one is I actually

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Speaker 2: identified who this woman is. But he is describer as

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Speaker 2: either normal or an ordinary person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think there's It's really simple. We have

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Speaker 1: known that shohe Atani is pretty private, and he's probably

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Speaker 1: doing this on purpose, so to tell people, yeah, I'm married,

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Speaker 1: she's normal, and then that maybe people don't dig into it,

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Speaker 1: don't dig into her. I think there was a reason

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Speaker 1: behind why he chose those words.

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Speaker 4: But isn't she a gotta be upset by being described?

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Speaker 2: Because understand this, he is the biggest celebrity in Japan,

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Speaker 2: right the bar none, Okay, he is at any level entertainment,

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Speaker 2: whatever you want to use as a gauge as far

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Speaker 2: as stardom in Japan, show, Hey, Otani's at the top

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Speaker 2: of the list.

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Speaker 4: So when he speaks it goes all over the place.

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Speaker 2: He has just described you now his wife as either

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Speaker 2: normal or ordinary.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying it was the right choice. I just

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Speaker 1: think he thought it was the smart choice, that maybe

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Speaker 1: he was protecting her, protecting them, protecting their life. Again,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the right choice, because he

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Speaker 1: is so popular that people are still going to be

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Speaker 1: interested in finding out. But if he would have said,

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Speaker 1: she's the most beautiful, amazing woman I've ever met, you

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Speaker 1: be right about oh, you know, And maybe he just

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Speaker 1: thought if he kind of just like made it not

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Speaker 1: a big deal, that people would think it's not a

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Speaker 1: big deal. Hold on you, all right, he takes a

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Speaker 1: step to the left, and it's a big deal.

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Speaker 2: According to the translation, he said, the actual thing was,

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Speaker 2: she's a normal Japanese woman, right, And I would imagine

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Speaker 2: there are women in Japan saying, what does that mean?

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Speaker 2: What is there a normal Japanese woman as opposed to

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Speaker 2: an abnormal Japanese woman.

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Speaker 1: Well, what if there's not a language barrier, but a

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Speaker 1: language barrier where it sounds different because there are things

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Speaker 1: like in Spanish where like if I were to translate

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Speaker 1: it to you word for word, it's like this is

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Speaker 1: a translation, but that's not what I'm saying, even though

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Speaker 1: that's the literal translation. So maybe there's a bit of

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Speaker 1: a language barrier where the way he said it, it

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Speaker 1: does not come off like that, but that's the actual

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Speaker 1: translation for us, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Here's what I recommend.

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Speaker 1: I recommend a good show.

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Speaker 2: Yoshinobu Yamamoto, Yeah, speaks English, Okay, some he's been studying

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Speaker 2: English and I actually heard him, and you know it

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Speaker 2: was labored, but I mean he made the effort. I

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Speaker 2: would recommend for Sho hey Otani because I remember when

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Speaker 2: Fernando Vealnezuela hit the scene in Los Angeles, Fernando Mania.

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Speaker 2: He was a twenty year old kid and he was

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Speaker 2: trying to learn English, spoke Spanish, had an interpreter at

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Speaker 2: all times. Yes, And this went on for a few years,

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Speaker 2: a couple of years. Well, and then there was Mike

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Speaker 2: Breeder the where are the.

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Speaker 1: Guys with him a lot?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and then one year he showed up.

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Speaker 2: And he just spoke English. That he made it an

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Speaker 2: effort and obviously is bilingual and has been ever very since.

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Speaker 2: But it was it was big because he had a

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Speaker 2: huge fan base not only from the Spanish speaking community,

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Speaker 2: but the English speaking community. I highly recommend it because

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Speaker 2: if something's being lost in translation, then that's on you.

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Speaker 2: It really is, because it didn't come off great in

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Speaker 2: terms of yeah, she's just a normal Japanese woman. And

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Speaker 2: it's like you're describing your wife. You're describing your wife

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Speaker 2: as an ordinary woman.

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Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time believing that this was not

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Speaker 1: a conversation that he had with his wife prior to

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Speaker 1: saying this information. And I get, like, say it in English,

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Speaker 1: I get what you're saying.

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Speaker 4: But I mean, you could say she's not a celebrity.

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Speaker 2: That's fine, and.

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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe that's what he's trying to say. Maybe it's like.

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Speaker 2: A regular woman.

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Speaker 4: She is a regular woman, And I really you married.

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Speaker 2: A regular woman?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, who given one? Normal?

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Speaker 2: See when you're no guy marries a normal woman. In

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Speaker 2: their eyes, there's something very special about that woman. That's

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Speaker 2: why you're.

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Speaker 1: Marrying her, right, But what if this was strategic I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you it was to make it seem like.

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Speaker 2: The strategy worked. And by the way, at some point

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Speaker 2: we're gonna find out who she is and then she's

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Speaker 2: just gonna be tagged normal Japanese woman.

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Speaker 1: But what if she's super hot and they're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: she was not normal, but Shohy was trying to protect her.

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Speaker 4: What if he was trying to protect her, hide her forever.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: We don't have nothing.

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Speaker 1: We don't And that's the whole he's.

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Speaker 2: I know, he actually dated a very well known Japanese

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Speaker 2: athlete at one point, beautiful girl back in the day.

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Speaker 2: There are pictures if you go, if you, if you

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Speaker 2: that's not his wife, that's someone he dated in the past.

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Speaker 2: I just the whole thing just seemed wow.

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Speaker 1: You know, I just think he gets a lot of

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Speaker 1: advice that you and I don't know. Yes, you are

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Speaker 1: Steve Hartman, and everybody knows who you are, but you

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Speaker 1: go to Japan and you go somewhere else, I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna who you are. I think you can push show

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Speaker 1: he in the middle of any country, kind of like

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Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, and they know who he is. So maybe

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Speaker 1: this is just advice that he's getting as to how

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Speaker 1: to handle the extra attention now that he is a Dodger,

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Speaker 1: because he was already famous in La with the Angels.

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Speaker 4: All right, Chris has been thinking about this, what do

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Speaker 4: you have to add here, Court, I think.

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Speaker 9: I think there is something lost being lost in translation.

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Speaker 9: There is I think a different level of cultural humility

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Speaker 9: that is kind of expected for a Japanese athlete as well.

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Speaker 2: That's that's factoring into this.

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Speaker 9: They doesn't want to make a big deal out of it,

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Speaker 9: and he's already been a very private guy. We didn't

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Speaker 9: know the name of his dog for a while, and like.

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Speaker 4: I crazy for that.

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Speaker 1: So imagine his wife.

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Speaker 9: Yes, I'm sure, I'm sure part of that is he

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Speaker 9: doesn't want her to have, you know, to get whatever

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Speaker 9: kind of attention comes on to it for good or

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01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 9: mostly for or for ill on a lot of this

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01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 9: so I think it's just a it's it's a patswoas

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Speaker 9: of different things that is happening here that again just

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01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 9: doesn't translate into what we expect from our athletes, which

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Speaker 9: is braggadocio.

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Speaker 2: The Dodgers throw out seven hundred million dollars, this guy, yeah,

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01:15:08,400 --> 01:15:10,519
Speaker 2: to hit the ball, not to have a supermw You

1452
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,600
Speaker 2: can play an anonymity, Mike trottis preferred. That's why he

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Speaker 2: remains an Angel and will for the rest of his career.

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Speaker 2: When he signed with the Dodgers, if he wasn't aware

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Speaker 2: of what signing with the Dodgers does in terms of

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Speaker 2: expectations in increasing your profile. He's in for root awakening.

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Speaker 1: Now, that is an excellent point that you are making,

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01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 1: Steve Harmon. If you do sign with the Dodgers, you

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Speaker 1: have to know what you're getting yourself into the attention

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Speaker 1: the scrutiny. You make a good point.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Cavino and Rich who are here Monday through Friday, they

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Speaker 1: say that his wife are like, he did this so

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Speaker 1: that the girls in LA would leave him alone, and

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Speaker 1: it's like, that's not gonna work. Him saying that he's

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Speaker 1: married and has a normal and that's not gonna work

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Speaker 1: with her, Like he did this so that the LA

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Speaker 1: girls know that he's taken into back off. Oh, nobody's

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Speaker 1: gonna back off.

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Speaker 2: No, If anything, it increases the desire, Yes, Martin.

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Speaker 8: So the first news really a show after he signed

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Speaker 8: the contract of the Dodgers was that he bought Ashley Kelly,

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Speaker 8: Joe Kelly's wife a Porsche.

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Speaker 2: Right, right, So does.

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Speaker 8: Joe Kelly now buy sho heo Tani's wife like a

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Speaker 8: Toyota Corolla, are like a Honda a Cord because she's

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Speaker 8: because I said, you know, it's a normal Is she

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Speaker 8: a fornfusion, because like she's a.

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Speaker 2: Normal person, she's normal. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: See, I think that's a good question as well, Martin.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you got to break these things down, you know,

1482
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 2: you really got to dive in here.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I like that.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I do. Remember when I got married,

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Speaker 2: I've never been more popular with them ladies. Oh my,

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Speaker 2: once you put that ring on, it was like, hello,

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01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:50,640
Speaker 2: then you should put one back on, exactly right. No, no, no,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to say this once. I've had friends that

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Speaker 2: wear rings that have never been married for that specific purpose.

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Speaker 2: It's it's like it's like a radar. Yeah, enough of this,

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01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 2: all right? Coming up on the other side, What else

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01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 2: is coming on in spring training? Yeah, but that's right,

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01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 2: we got some baseball going on. This is Fox Sports Saturday,

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Speaker 2: Steve Hartman and Moncey Belanga's here Fox Sports Saturday, coming

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Speaker 2: alive from the tairaq dot Com studios, entertained by our

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Speaker 2: off air commisation.

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Speaker 1: You to write a tell all book. Like my face

1498
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Speaker 1: hurts from laughing.

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Speaker 3: And I.

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Speaker 2: You know, I remember when Bill Clinton wrote his autobiography

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Speaker 2: and I think he had just turned fifty or he

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Speaker 2: was at something like that. He said that if you've

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01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:46,720
Speaker 2: lived half a century, no matter who you are, you

1504
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 2: have a book in you. Yeah, Like I mean people

1505
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 2: that will cross paths with anybody over the course of

1506
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 2: half a century. Everyone's got a book.

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01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:00,720
Speaker 1: But not everybody has a book worth three reading. I

1508
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 1: think yours is worth reading.

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01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:07,120
Speaker 4: Well, I do have I do have a remarkable memory

1510
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 4: for things.

1511
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 1: You really do? You really?

1512
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:09,920
Speaker 8: You you guy?

1513
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 1: I wish you guys could hear these stories because they're

1514
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 1: so wild, And he says it like it's not a

1515
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 1: big deal.

1516
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 2: I've always felt like so many of the weird things

1517
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 2: that I've I mean weird on the outside looking in,

1518
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 2: we're just sort of being in a certain place at

1519
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 2: a certain time and nothing was planned, you know, like

1520
01:18:30,479 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 2: like the forest gum thing with you, You're just like

1521
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 2: this feather floating around, and that's sort of the way

1522
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:38,759
Speaker 2: it is. I've always felt like I'm more the observer

1523
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 2: in life than I am the person that is the

1524
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:44,360
Speaker 2: and then I fall into things that I'm like, how

1525
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:46,600
Speaker 2: did I get here? What happened here? That happens to

1526
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:48,680
Speaker 2: me a lot. Yeah, but you know a lot of

1527
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:51,639
Speaker 2: times what happens is I will take a step back,

1528
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:55,280
Speaker 2: if you're if you're in a moment. We all have these.

1529
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:58,679
Speaker 2: You know, our life's like a series of snapshots, right, yeah.

1530
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:02,679
Speaker 2: You know, much of our life is very mundane, routine,

1531
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:05,920
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, something happens in a moment,

1532
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 2: and now it becomes seared.

1533
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 4: In your mind like a memory forever.

1534
01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 2: And when I sometimes the thing about it is I

1535
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:18,240
Speaker 2: recognize those moments when they're actually happening, and I literally

1536
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 2: will like take a step back.

1537
01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:21,560
Speaker 1: Like and take a snapshot.

1538
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:26,799
Speaker 2: How am I here in this moment?

1539
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:27,720
Speaker 3: So I do.

1540
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 2: It's like a snapshot here.

1541
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:29,639
Speaker 5: Hey.

1542
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 2: By the way, getting back to the Dodgers, very briefly

1543
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 2: or in spring training, as we know, Tani is not

1544
01:19:35,600 --> 01:19:37,760
Speaker 2: going to be pitching this year as he recovers from

1545
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,439
Speaker 2: the Tommy John surgery. He will d eight this season,

1546
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:42,320
Speaker 2: and I'm sure he'll do a great job at that.

1547
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:45,920
Speaker 4: His future is a pitcher after two Tommy John's.

1548
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 2: We'll see. But the guy that will be pitching for

1549
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 2: the Dodgers this year is already the highest paid pitcher

1550
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 2: in baseball, even though he hasn't twitched a single game

1551
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:58,880
Speaker 2: at the major league level. And that's Yoshi Nobu. Yamamoto.

1552
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 2: So he had his first spring training outing. He's not

1553
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 2: He's a little guy physically. He's a very small guy.

1554
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 2: Sort of reminds me of Pedro Martinez back in the day,

1555
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 2: who wasn't the biggest guy, but he was just filthy

1556
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 2: everything he threw. And that's what I'm seeing with Yamamoto.

1557
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,679
Speaker 1: This guy seen Rose nineteen were strikes.

1558
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:26,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, this unblievable stuff. His curveball is uncross hittable.

1559
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:27,440
Speaker 1: It's gross.

1560
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 2: When you look at filthy. So he's a guy I

1561
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 2: am definitely looking forward to watching this year. All right,

1562
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 2: coming up, Adam Kaplan, our NFL insider, joins us live

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1574
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Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna share anymore.

1575
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Speaker 4: Your boyfriend is gonna he's gonna get one cookie.

1576
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:15,280
Speaker 2: One gonna be mine, you know that share one?

1577
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 1: Yes, I may share with my nephews because we're going

1578
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 1: to see my nephews today. One nephew is going to

1579
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 1: be three later this year. Ethan is only a month old.

1580
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 1: So I guess Ethan probably my brother won't want me

1581
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:30,640
Speaker 1: to give him piece of my cookie. But Jasper is

1582
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 1: definitely going to enjoy this cookie. Yeah, Jasper knows that

1583
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 1: if I'm around, he gets sweets.

1584
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, nothing sweeter in that cookie.

1585
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Speaker 3: I know.

1586
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,599
Speaker 1: No Patrick mahomes of cookies.

1587
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Speaker 2: As we are in the NFL combine, Adam Kaplan's going

1588
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,759
Speaker 2: to be joining us our Fox Sports Radio NFL Insider

1589
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 2: will come along in about fifteen minutes of show. He

1590
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 2: of course in Indianapolis, so he's going to give us

1591
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 2: a first hand look at what's going on there. But

1592
01:21:56,240 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 2: as usual, we're sitting here to fucking quarterbacks, because this

1593
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:07,879
Speaker 2: is what it's all about. I was listening to Jonas

1594
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 2: earlier today and he was talking about, you know, possibilities

1595
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:15,639
Speaker 2: for landing spots for some of the veteran quarterbacks. Because really,

1596
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 2: before you even get to the draft. You have to

1597
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:21,639
Speaker 2: deal with free agency, any possible trades before teams finally decide,

1598
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 2: all right, our choices to go through the draft to

1599
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 2: get our franchise quarterback. By the way, last week, I

1600
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:32,759
Speaker 2: made it infinitely clear in my opinion, there are thirty

1601
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:35,240
Speaker 2: two teams in the NFL and only one of them

1602
01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:37,680
Speaker 2: has a franchise quarterback, and that's the Kansas.

1603
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:39,559
Speaker 1: City chief Yes, yes, you've mentioned.

1604
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:46,920
Speaker 2: I mean again, what exactly defines a franchise quarterback? Is

1605
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 2: it someone that could possibly win you a championship or

1606
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 2: someone that has actually won a championship. Because outside of

1607
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,400
Speaker 2: the Chiefs, there's only two other teams that currently have

1608
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 2: a quarterback that won a Super Bowl. That would be

1609
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 2: the Ransom Matthew Stafford, who obviously is on the backside

1610
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 2: of his career, and that would be the Jets with

1611
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, and we're not sure how he's going to

1612
01:23:08,040 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 2: come back after blowing his achilles. I would not put

1613
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 2: them in the same conversation right now with Patrick Mahomes.

1614
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers has heard what you've said, He's going to

1615
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 1: come back and have the career the year of his life.

1616
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:20,679
Speaker 1: Just to stick it to you, Steve Hartman.

1617
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:25,679
Speaker 2: Okay, he's been to one Super Bowl in his entire career,

1618
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:30,760
Speaker 2: one one. I mean, again, I don't know how you

1619
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 2: define franchise quarterback. But to me, and again this comes

1620
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:40,440
Speaker 2: from my Raider roots working for Al Davis, it's about championships.

1621
01:23:40,520 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 2: When I joined the Raiders, Jim Plunkett had just won

1622
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:46,799
Speaker 2: his second Super Bowl and we had a young quarterback

1623
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 2: named Mark Wilson who had been an All American at BYU.

1624
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 2: In a lot of ways, he was a better quarterback.

1625
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 2: He could throw the ball better and everything else. But

1626
01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:56,560
Speaker 2: I can tell you this, in the huddle, there was

1627
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 2: no comparison because that guy, Jim play had won two

1628
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 2: Super bowl That's a franchise quarterback. When you've won the

1629
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,640
Speaker 2: big one. When you can get in that huddle and

1630
01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 2: say I can lead you to a championship and I

1631
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:11,640
Speaker 2: have it on my resume that I've done that, that

1632
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 2: to me defines a franchise quarterback. Josh Allen, Joe Burrow.

1633
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:20,880
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot of really outstanding quarterbacks in

1634
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:25,759
Speaker 2: the league, but they're not franchise quarterbacks in my opinion,

1635
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 2: because they haven't won a championship, which I would imagine

1636
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 2: is the goal of all thirty two teams.

1637
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 1: That is the goal of all thirty two teams. But unfortunately,

1638
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 1: there's this guy named Patrick Mahomes and he is the outlier.

1639
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 1: And so I think Rich hit it on the head

1640
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:44,719
Speaker 1: last week. Rich Orenberger, who we work with on Sundays,

1641
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 1: where it's like I mentioned Dak Prescott is your franchise quarterback.

1642
01:24:48,439 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 1: But I like what Rich said where it's like they

1643
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:55,000
Speaker 1: give you a chance. That is a franchise quarterback along

1644
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:57,920
Speaker 1: with other things. I also think like Dak. You know,

1645
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 1: for example, you may not believe if he gives you

1646
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 1: a chance, but Dak is associated with the Cowboys. Dak

1647
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 1: is the face Dak brings in people. Dak makes you

1648
01:25:08,640 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 1: talk about the Cowboys, whether it's good or bad. That

1649
01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 1: is your franchise quarterback.

1650
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 2: Okay, let me stop you right there on him. He

1651
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 2: is the reason we talk about the Cowboys, because we

1652
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 2: talk about the Cowboys failure in the postseason. We talk

1653
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 2: about a team that hasn't forget getting to a super Bowl,

1654
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:27,280
Speaker 2: they haven't even been in a conference championship game in

1655
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:28,960
Speaker 2: twenty eight years.

1656
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:32,680
Speaker 4: And he's just like Tony Romo was.

1657
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 2: It's the same quarterback where he can put up some

1658
01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:39,680
Speaker 2: flashy numbers in the regular season, but in crunch time

1659
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 2: he doesn't deliver. He's won two playoff games. Lamar Jackson

1660
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 2: has won two playoff games. He's there that doesn't use it.

1661
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:51,639
Speaker 2: Why he's a two time MVP. That's great, But again,

1662
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:55,960
Speaker 2: define franchise quarterback. If franchise quarterback to you is someone

1663
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:59,719
Speaker 2: that gives you a shot, better shots than any numbers

1664
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 2: get into the postseason. By the way, fourteen of the

1665
01:26:03,320 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 2: thirty two teams get into the playoffs. That's almost half.

1666
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:06,599
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1667
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 2: So I don't know how much of an accomplishment that

1668
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 2: is to sneak in as a wild card and get

1669
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:14,400
Speaker 2: elimonade in the first round. I don't know if that really,

1670
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:17,320
Speaker 2: you know, checks the box of some kind of great

1671
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 2: achievement if you're a quarterback.

1672
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:20,479
Speaker 5: I know this.

1673
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:24,280
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco was in as many playoff games this year

1674
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 2: as Dak Prescott was.

1675
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and you know, arguablely Joe Flacco's not a

1676
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback.

1677
01:26:30,360 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 4: He was sitting on the couch or laying on the couch.

1678
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's just unfortunate. There's not a specific list, you

1679
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And part of it is the

1680
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:42,439
Speaker 1: eye test part of it is like, what what do

1681
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:45,479
Speaker 1: you do for me? Do you bring in numbers even

1682
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:48,479
Speaker 1: if it's even it's just so many different things, and

1683
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 1: I feel that it's like, we know Patrick Mahomes is

1684
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,640
Speaker 1: the best, but he is the outlier. So amongst the

1685
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 1: rest of them, who is going to give us a chance?

1686
01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 1: Tom Brady was awesome, but he didn't win every single year,

1687
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:00,040
Speaker 1: so we can.

1688
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 2: Only everbody won seven, right, But that's a franchise quarterback.

1689
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, like, we know Patrick Mahomes is probably

1690
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:08,599
Speaker 1: gonna win some more, but he's not gonna probably win

1691
01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:09,200
Speaker 1: every year.

1692
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:13,920
Speaker 2: Somebody. Mark Jackson, Josh Allen, Dak Prescott have all been

1693
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 2: to the same number of Super Bowls zero and.

1694
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 1: They're all franchise quarterbacks for their teams.

1695
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:23,759
Speaker 2: Well, that's unfortunate for those franchises because you know, getting

1696
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 2: into the playoffs, although nice is not the end goal.

1697
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:29,599
Speaker 1: But wouldn't you say that they're in the next tier,

1698
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 1: like it's we're gonna again, Patrick.

1699
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 2: Now you got it. Next tier. So if you have

1700
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 2: one franchise quarterback, Patrick Mahomes, then the next list is

1701
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 2: definitely at the second next tier, right, But that.

1702
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:44,080
Speaker 1: Doesn't make them not franchise quarterbacks, then what are you

1703
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:46,160
Speaker 1: gonna do. You're gonna keep switching your quarterback every year.

1704
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:49,680
Speaker 2: Well, no, they're what we call potential franchise quarterback. If

1705
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:51,680
Speaker 2: they can win a Super Bowl eventually, then they can

1706
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 2: actually step up into that franchise level.

1707
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:57,280
Speaker 1: So if you would have been running the Green Bay

1708
01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 1: Packers with Aaron Rodgers, he wasn't your franchise quarterback.

1709
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers again has been to one Super Bowl.

1710
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:03,559
Speaker 1: He was like at the time.

1711
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees are very similar quarterbacks. They

1712
01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 2: both went to one Super Bowl, which both won. That

1713
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:13,560
Speaker 2: won Super Bowl. Another quarterback that did that, who was

1714
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 2: in the playoffs a lot of times, got to one

1715
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 2: super Bowl, won that Super Bowl and was a Super

1716
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 2: Bowl MVP is Joe Flacco. So does anybody put Joe

1717
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 2: Flacco in the conversation with Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers.

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01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:29,360
Speaker 4: If the answer is no, why not? And that is

1719
01:28:29,640 --> 01:28:31,800
Speaker 4: because their resume are the same.

1720
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:34,559
Speaker 2: They each went to one super Bowl, won the Super Bowl,

1721
01:28:34,640 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 2: where the MVP of the Super Bowl same resume.

1722
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 1: But come on the eye test, you knew that Joe

1723
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 1: Flacco did not have the talent that Aaron Rodgers had.

1724
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 2: Well, again, the talent to do.

1725
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:48,400
Speaker 1: What, the talent to throw, to the instinct to throw

1726
01:28:48,479 --> 01:28:49,880
Speaker 1: the ball. Come on, you saw it.

1727
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 2: I did this in San Diego for years of Philip Rivers,

1728
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 2: who I loved on an individual basis. I mean, his

1729
01:28:55,200 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 2: golly g attitude was hilarious. He was also one of

1730
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:01,360
Speaker 2: the greatest trash talkers in NFL his without ever uttering

1731
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 2: a curse word.

1732
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:02,880
Speaker 1: Oh, I love that.

1733
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:04,720
Speaker 2: He was also a father of I think it's up

1734
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 2: to ten.

1735
01:29:05,200 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1736
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 2: But he said, everyone's like, he's a franchise quarterback. I said,

1737
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:14,040
Speaker 2: in the decade of the twenty tens. He started all

1738
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty games for the Chargers in that decade,

1739
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:20,479
Speaker 2: never missed a single start, and the record was seventy

1740
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 2: seven and eighty three and they made two appearances during

1741
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:28,439
Speaker 2: that decade as a wildcard team. Now I'm like, how

1742
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:31,599
Speaker 2: is that a franchise quarterback? Well, he made seven Pro

1743
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:34,479
Speaker 2: Bowls during the decade. And then I say he was

1744
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:37,200
Speaker 2: seventy seven to eighty three. Well he doesn't play defense.

1745
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:39,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the skill was there, the talent was there,

1746
01:29:39,640 --> 01:29:42,560
Speaker 1: and you thought there was hope. That's I feel like

1747
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 1: that's really yes, hope that he could take you beyond

1748
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 1: the wildcard, you know, But that's really what it is.

1749
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 2: Everybody in Hall of Fames that you know, they had

1750
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 2: the talent to be a Hall of Famer, but there

1751
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:54,520
Speaker 2: were extending, wating circumstances.

1752
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 4: The amount of people in the Halls of Fame would

1753
01:29:57,160 --> 01:29:57,919
Speaker 4: double overnight.

1754
01:29:58,120 --> 01:29:59,680
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of players all he had Hall

1755
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 2: of Fame talent, okay, but he didn't have a Hall

1756
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 2: of Fame resume.

1757
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:06,599
Speaker 1: And that's I mean, I think that's a separate conversation.

1758
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:09,799
Speaker 1: But it's like, once you've decided to keep your quarterback

1759
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:13,160
Speaker 1: past whatever four or five years, and you extend them,

1760
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:18,080
Speaker 1: they're your franchise quarterback. You've made that decision. Now do

1761
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 1: you pull the rug from under Dak Prescott? What else

1762
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:23,160
Speaker 1: is out there? And I use him just because I

1763
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:25,680
Speaker 1: feel like he's He's a controversial one right now, you know,

1764
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:27,680
Speaker 1: when it comes to is he your franchise? I think

1765
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 1: he is? And what else are they gonna do? Like

1766
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 1: all of these, all of the ones, what are the

1767
01:30:31,560 --> 01:30:33,680
Speaker 1: Ravens gonna do? Where you're getting rid of Lamar Jackson, No,

1768
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:37,280
Speaker 1: the Bills, You're gonna get somebody else before besides Josh Allen, No,

1769
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 1: you're not. That is your franchise quarterback.

1770
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 2: Well, if their career ends and none of them make

1771
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:46,280
Speaker 2: it to a super Bowl in the end, you'll have

1772
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 2: to look back and say, were they actually franchise quarterbacks?

1773
01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:52,200
Speaker 2: I mean, look at all three of those guys talking

1774
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 2: about Josh al Lamar Jackson, Dak Prescott. Because they're on

1775
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 2: good teams. Yes, you think, like, all right, at some

1776
01:30:58,320 --> 01:30:59,920
Speaker 2: point it's gonna happen.

1777
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:03,040
Speaker 1: But they also do have talent behind their good team.

1778
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:08,679
Speaker 1: There is hope that they can take you beyond Patrick Mark.

1779
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:13,360
Speaker 2: After watching Dak Prescott get outplayed badly by Jordan.

1780
01:31:13,160 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 4: Love in that playoff, good at home, no less?

1781
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:18,880
Speaker 2: All right? Coming up on the other side, Well, speaking

1782
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:22,519
Speaker 2: of franchise quarterbacks, are there going to be franchise quarterbacks

1783
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:26,320
Speaker 2: in the upcoming NFL Draft? Live from Indie, our Fox

1784
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 2: Sports Radio NFL insider Adam Caplan will join us. This

1785
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 2: is Fox Sports Saturday, Steve Hartman and Moncie Belognos. Here

1786
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:38,200
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Saturday. We are live from the tai iraq

1787
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:43,280
Speaker 2: dot Com studios and speaking of live from the NFL

1788
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:47,799
Speaker 2: Combine in Indianapolis. A man that has his own theories

1789
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:51,280
Speaker 2: on franchise quarterbacks. We'll get into that in a moment.

1790
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:56,679
Speaker 2: Here is our Fox Sports Radio NFL insider Adam Kaplan. Adam,

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01:31:56,720 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 2: I'm going to just start things off with a rather

1792
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:03,160
Speaker 2: general question, but give us your biggest impression of what

1793
01:32:03,240 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 2: you've seen so far in Indianapolis.

1794
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:08,560
Speaker 3: Well, look, it's you know you mentioned free agency and

1795
01:32:08,760 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 3: franchise tags. Just sure, that's certainly part of this, of

1796
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 3: though one, I'm not expecting many, But it's really the workouts.

1797
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:16,920
Speaker 3: This is this is the big thing here. But the

1798
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:19,880
Speaker 3: biggest story of the week, which is caused a stir

1799
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 3: amongst executives and agents, is Kevin Williams, who, by the way,

1800
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:25,800
Speaker 3: does not have an agent. Who is he presumptive number

1801
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 3: one pick? No, only is he not working out, which

1802
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 3: is sort of commonplay for top picks, but he decided

1803
01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:33,679
Speaker 3: he's not going to do the medical testing here, which

1804
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:36,000
Speaker 3: in my career here I've never seen anyone. This is

1805
01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:38,719
Speaker 3: my twenty third combine, I've never heard of a player

1806
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,400
Speaker 3: refusing to do the medical tests and saying, you know what,

1807
01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 3: whoever I visit, they'll get my medical testing.

1808
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:48,800
Speaker 2: And what's your takeaway? Because we heard him talk about

1809
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:50,639
Speaker 2: this that he didn't want to give his medical test

1810
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:54,879
Speaker 2: to thirty two teams around the NFL. I mean, obviously,

1811
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 2: if the Bears are to trade that pick, there might

1812
01:32:57,360 --> 01:32:59,040
Speaker 2: be a couple of other teams in play to take

1813
01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 2: that number one overall pick. Because we've always talked about this, Adam,

1814
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:05,440
Speaker 2: the two biggest things to come out of the combine

1815
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:09,720
Speaker 2: are the physicals and on the interviews. Those are all.

1816
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:12,640
Speaker 2: The other stuff is for show on TV, just to

1817
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:16,320
Speaker 2: give you something to watch. But not doing that is

1818
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:20,760
Speaker 2: that a red flag? Is that jeopardize the possibility of

1819
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:23,360
Speaker 2: him being the number one overall pick in the draft?

1820
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:27,000
Speaker 3: Steve, here's the way I understand. So let's say, for

1821
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:30,639
Speaker 3: argument's sake, that the Bears entertaining trading that pick. Right, Well,

1822
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:32,439
Speaker 3: let's say a team from the top ten trade that

1823
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:34,240
Speaker 3: team at Williams didn't think he's going to be traded

1824
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:39,880
Speaker 3: to the Medicals already done, so what if he you

1825
01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:43,040
Speaker 3: know again, what if that team trades up? They need

1826
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:45,840
Speaker 3: to know where he's got physically. Now, my understanding is

1827
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:48,120
Speaker 3: the teams don't believe there's anything to worry about, but

1828
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:52,800
Speaker 3: you don't know that until you get tested. This has

1829
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:55,400
Speaker 3: happened Look, I've been here over the years where the

1830
01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:58,080
Speaker 3: player will come here, didn't think anything's wrong, and he

1831
01:33:58,160 --> 01:33:59,840
Speaker 3: wants up having surgery. So you have to be careful

1832
01:34:00,200 --> 01:34:02,840
Speaker 3: so that that would impact it potentially if the Bears

1833
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:04,680
Speaker 3: decide to trade out of it, and then the team

1834
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 3: that would want to trade up would have to know

1835
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:09,120
Speaker 3: about the way. You should also know that teams share

1836
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:12,960
Speaker 3: medical information for the draft, so they're going to know.

1837
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:15,599
Speaker 3: All teams will know once he goes through their first

1838
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 3: couple of teams. You know what this looks like now,

1839
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 3: the first his first pre draft visit should be within

1840
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:24,760
Speaker 3: the next two weeks, and then they go typically till

1841
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:27,880
Speaker 3: mid April. So this is going to be something to

1842
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:30,439
Speaker 3: watch here. And what would have taken care of this

1843
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:32,760
Speaker 3: process is if he would have had an agent, a

1844
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:35,720
Speaker 3: veteran agent who would never have let this happen. You

1845
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:37,760
Speaker 3: don't need this now. Is he still get probably going

1846
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:42,320
Speaker 3: to go number one? Yes, but again if a team decides,

1847
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:44,360
Speaker 3: if the Bear say, you know what, we're not comfortable

1848
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 3: with this, we want to entertain a trade, that's what

1849
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:48,120
Speaker 3: becomes an issue.

1850
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:50,760
Speaker 1: And do you think that this could cause a ripple

1851
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:55,080
Speaker 1: effect that the combine will change maybe more players start

1852
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 1: doing this.

1853
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 3: It's certainly been a question I've asked agents. I actually

1854
01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:03,280
Speaker 3: did this yesterday. Probably not the guys who've been around

1855
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:06,759
Speaker 3: a long time, because you don't want to give clubs

1856
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:10,080
Speaker 3: any reason not to draft you. So not working out

1857
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:11,719
Speaker 3: here is not a big deal, by the way, because

1858
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:14,479
Speaker 3: you could work out your pro day. That's typically the

1859
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:16,559
Speaker 3: guys who don't run here or don't work out work

1860
01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:18,800
Speaker 3: out the pro day. Now, what you need to have

1861
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:20,880
Speaker 3: is what's called a verified forty time. You can't really

1862
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:24,040
Speaker 3: be drafted without one unless there's something medically wrong where

1863
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:27,759
Speaker 3: you can't run for a couple of months. Like Kober Dejean,

1864
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 3: who's arguably the top descentive back for the shraft out

1865
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:35,000
Speaker 3: of Iowa's coming back from a broken leg. That's going

1866
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:38,000
Speaker 3: to be that's healed. He actually started running hard last week,

1867
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 3: but he's not ready to do everything. So he's going

1868
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:42,639
Speaker 3: to work out for teams in early April. He knows

1869
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:44,040
Speaker 3: he's got to work out for the draft if he

1870
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:45,320
Speaker 3: wants he's going to be a fresh runp pick. But

1871
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:46,680
Speaker 3: if he wants to be a high fresh run pick,

1872
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:47,639
Speaker 3: he knows he's got to work out.

1873
01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:50,600
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about some of the veteran quarterbacks

1874
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:53,439
Speaker 2: and some landing spots. We were talking about obviously the

1875
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:58,200
Speaker 2: Justin Field situation you mentioned also when we talked about Pittsburgh,

1876
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:01,800
Speaker 2: you said, look for Ryan Tannehill as a possible choice

1877
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:05,559
Speaker 2: for quarterback. There give us the future of Kirk Cousins assuming,

1878
01:36:05,680 --> 01:36:07,760
Speaker 2: by the way, and this is a big assumption that

1879
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:10,080
Speaker 2: a quarterback in his mid thirties is going to fully

1880
01:36:10,520 --> 01:36:13,479
Speaker 2: recover from a blown achilles. But where do you see

1881
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:16,760
Speaker 2: Kirk cousins future at least in twenty twenty four.

1882
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:19,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, being here, the Vikings won him back. He wants

1883
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:21,599
Speaker 3: to be back. He does turn thirty six and August

1884
01:36:21,640 --> 01:36:25,479
Speaker 3: coming back from the torn Achilles. Now, Atlanta is a

1885
01:36:25,479 --> 01:36:27,120
Speaker 3: team that I would expect to be in on this one.

1886
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:30,160
Speaker 3: That's kind of the hot rumor out here. Why because

1887
01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:33,760
Speaker 3: Zach Robinson, who is the offensive coordinator for the first

1888
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:35,640
Speaker 3: time in his career and a play caller, comes from

1889
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:39,839
Speaker 3: the West Coast system. The West Coast system demands precise

1890
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:43,320
Speaker 3: passing timing. That's not justin fields. Justin Fields is not

1891
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:46,000
Speaker 3: a guy that is real accurate. He doesn't throw as

1892
01:36:46,040 --> 01:36:47,960
Speaker 3: good timing. I don't see the fit at all off Atlanta.

1893
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:49,599
Speaker 3: I know that's been the rumor, but I don't see

1894
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:51,640
Speaker 3: it happening. I mean, you never say never, certainly not

1895
01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:53,240
Speaker 3: out of the question. They need a quarterback that they're

1896
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:55,320
Speaker 3: looking for one, they'd have been shy about it, by

1897
01:36:55,320 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 3: the way, So those would be the two teams right

1898
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:00,439
Speaker 3: now for cousins Minnesota in Atlanta.

1899
01:37:01,479 --> 01:37:04,320
Speaker 1: This is a two folded question. Let's go to Tampa Bay.

1900
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:07,160
Speaker 1: Mike Evin says he's going to test free agency. He

1901
01:37:07,240 --> 01:37:09,240
Speaker 1: does say he wants to play with an elite quarterback,

1902
01:37:09,320 --> 01:37:11,240
Speaker 1: that he wants to be paid like an elite wide receiver,

1903
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:13,200
Speaker 1: and then he wants to compete for a Super Bowl.

1904
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:16,479
Speaker 1: But we have also heard that he really likes Baker Mayfield.

1905
01:37:16,920 --> 01:37:21,439
Speaker 1: Is he saying that to push Tampa Bay into resigning Baker.

1906
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:28,080
Speaker 3: No, the Bucks want want Baker Mayfield back. He wants

1907
01:37:28,160 --> 01:37:32,439
Speaker 3: to be back his agent Tom Mills this year. I'd

1908
01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:35,680
Speaker 3: be very surprised. Now you give count Lanta, by the way,

1909
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:40,799
Speaker 3: in that range here if if for some reason Mayfield

1910
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:42,479
Speaker 3: is not resigned and it looks like he's going to

1911
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:44,840
Speaker 3: test free agency. Now, by the way, testing free agency

1912
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:47,760
Speaker 3: actually starts here. That's so you understand the way this works,

1913
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:51,040
Speaker 3: So Mike Kevin's agent, Derek Kilmore, will know what he'll

1914
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:53,680
Speaker 3: be by the time he leaves here, and he may

1915
01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:55,599
Speaker 3: have left already. He'll know the teams that are interested.

1916
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:58,000
Speaker 3: They don't hide this. That's the way it works here.

1917
01:37:58,000 --> 01:37:59,439
Speaker 3: I always kind of laughing when people say he's going

1918
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:01,519
Speaker 3: to test read. You don't wait till March thirteenth, thirty

1919
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:04,559
Speaker 3: eleventh when you could sign with teams or agree your agent.

1920
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:06,679
Speaker 3: And Derek's been around a long time, by the way,

1921
01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:09,880
Speaker 3: well more than a decade. They'll know exactly which teams

1922
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 3: are interested in Mike Kens.

1923
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:15,600
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels opted out of you know, getting measured and

1924
01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 2: you know the workout portion of the combine certainly not

1925
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:22,679
Speaker 2: a surprise. I love his excuse saying, well, I really

1926
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:25,040
Speaker 2: want to do this the pro day for the rest

1927
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Speaker 2: of my teammates, you know, so they get an opportunity

1928
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:30,720
Speaker 2: to be seen by the NFL scouts. Which is a

1929
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:34,480
Speaker 2: great teammate, but I've also seen let's see was Orlowsky

1930
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:38,080
Speaker 2: there on ESPN was making the argument that Jade Daniels

1931
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:42,040
Speaker 2: is the best talented quarterback in this year's draft. Is

1932
01:38:42,120 --> 01:38:46,519
Speaker 2: he firmly number three behind Caleb Williams and Drake may Or.

1933
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:50,519
Speaker 2: Is there a possibility that, let's say the Commanders or

1934
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:54,240
Speaker 2: another team could move up in order to get Jaden

1935
01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:57,200
Speaker 2: Daniels before Drake may or Caleb Williams.

1936
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Speaker 3: All right, So for my mock draftics goes live, I'm

1937
01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:02,680
Speaker 3: thinking Tuesday Wednesday pro Football Network dot Com. I'll give

1938
01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:05,920
Speaker 3: you something. I'm going to put Daniels at number two

1939
01:39:06,080 --> 01:39:09,800
Speaker 3: for the Washington Commanders. Why am I doing that? He

1940
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:12,519
Speaker 3: fits the profile of what Cliff Kingsberry once I'm told

1941
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:14,639
Speaker 3: he wants a quarterback that could run, that can move,

1942
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:20,760
Speaker 3: That's not May comparatively to Daniels. Daniels is really interesting playing. Now.

1943
01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:23,120
Speaker 3: That one knock on him is what's he going to weigh? Now?

1944
01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:25,439
Speaker 3: That's why some people criticize him for not weighing in

1945
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 3: here and not going through the measurements. It's not that

1946
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:30,680
Speaker 3: to the lens he's tall enough, plenty tall enough. It's

1947
01:39:30,840 --> 01:39:32,320
Speaker 3: how much he's going to weigh You worried about that.

1948
01:39:32,360 --> 01:39:35,200
Speaker 3: By the way, Kaylen Williams is under six to two.

1949
01:39:35,400 --> 01:39:38,879
Speaker 3: So you look at these quarterbacks here from a side standpoint,

1950
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:41,519
Speaker 3: you would like to be bigger physically, but you seem

1951
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:43,640
Speaker 3: to can't have everything with these quarterbacks this year, but

1952
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:46,240
Speaker 3: it's certainly going to be interesting. In Steve, you bring

1953
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 3: up the peck and word that is not set yet

1954
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Speaker 3: behind Kayln Williams.

1955
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:50,639
Speaker 2: What preverence?

1956
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:52,439
Speaker 4: By the way, just to follow up, do the Patriots

1957
01:39:52,479 --> 01:39:54,960
Speaker 4: have you think at quarterback if they had that?

1958
01:39:56,160 --> 01:39:59,120
Speaker 3: I don't know that yet because remember Ron Wilson, Elliot

1959
01:39:59,120 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 3: will is going to make the call there more or

1960
01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:02,879
Speaker 3: less that he doesn't have a DM title, but he's

1961
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:06,200
Speaker 3: going to run the show there. Now. He comes from

1962
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:11,559
Speaker 3: the Green Bay system, and to me, if you look

1963
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:13,599
Speaker 3: at this, Drake may would be a very good fit

1964
01:40:13,720 --> 01:40:17,120
Speaker 3: for that one would seem to sit the profile if

1965
01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:18,760
Speaker 3: you're asking me that, that would be the profile that

1966
01:40:18,760 --> 01:40:20,320
Speaker 3: I would have early on here. Obviously we have way

1967
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:22,160
Speaker 3: a long time to go until the draft, but that

1968
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:23,200
Speaker 3: would be my early call there.

1969
01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:26,439
Speaker 1: There was a lot of question marks between the Broncos

1970
01:40:26,479 --> 01:40:28,680
Speaker 1: and Russell Wilson, and now the reports are they're going

1971
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:33,120
Speaker 1: to cut him. Do you see Russell Wilson ending up

1972
01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:35,200
Speaker 1: somewhere else? Is there a chance that he is going

1973
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:38,400
Speaker 1: to have to take being a backup somewhere?

1974
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:42,280
Speaker 3: It's a good question. No, Well, let's put this with it.

1975
01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:44,479
Speaker 3: There's a term called the kapete guy. That means where

1976
01:40:44,479 --> 01:40:46,200
Speaker 3: he goes in and compete for a starting job, that'll

1977
01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:48,639
Speaker 3: be the worst. It's where there's someone else. So there's

1978
01:40:48,680 --> 01:40:50,880
Speaker 3: a rookie where he's a bridge quarterback for one season

1979
01:40:52,120 --> 01:40:54,360
Speaker 3: because the Broncos will essentially be paying the salary of

1980
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:57,880
Speaker 3: the season. It's not about how much he's going to

1981
01:40:57,920 --> 01:40:59,800
Speaker 3: get paid. It's about working at the best opportunity. That's

1982
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:02,759
Speaker 3: what and Mark Rodgers's agent will look for. And Mark Rodgers,

1983
01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:04,640
Speaker 3: by the way, does not have any NFL players other

1984
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:07,000
Speaker 3: than Russell listening to baseball agent. He did a great

1985
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:09,240
Speaker 3: job in his contract. Can get a fully guaranteed contract,

1986
01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:12,360
Speaker 3: but the contract is supunitive terms of penalties. If you

1987
01:41:12,439 --> 01:41:15,200
Speaker 3: cut them, Broncs are crippled. And by the way, Jared

1988
01:41:15,240 --> 01:41:17,320
Speaker 3: Stidham will be competing for the starting job this season

1989
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:19,200
Speaker 3: when they signed to a two year deal last year.

1990
01:41:19,640 --> 01:41:22,400
Speaker 2: You never know of those bridge quarterbacks. I remember Kurt

1991
01:41:22,479 --> 01:41:24,840
Speaker 2: Warner was a bridge quarterback twice. He was supposed to

1992
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,400
Speaker 2: be a bridge quarterback for Eli Manning. Then he was

1993
01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:30,320
Speaker 2: a bridge quarterback for Matt Liinert, and the next thing

1994
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:32,559
Speaker 2: you know, he took over his starting quarterback and leads

1995
01:41:32,600 --> 01:41:35,080
Speaker 2: the Cardinals. It's still hard to believe the Cardinals were

1996
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:37,840
Speaker 2: actually in a Super Bowl and only a miracle throwing

1997
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:40,160
Speaker 2: catch away from winning that Super Bowl. So you know,

1998
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:41,160
Speaker 2: you just got to stay in the man.

1999
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:42,920
Speaker 4: I'm going to look at the Baker Mayfield situation.

2000
01:41:43,960 --> 01:41:46,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, no one expected that. Now, the big takeaway Steve

2001
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:48,640
Speaker 3: last year, that was the biggest nugget I got was

2002
01:41:48,720 --> 01:41:51,519
Speaker 3: that the Bucks were going to pursue Mayfield. Now we

2003
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:53,160
Speaker 3: didn't know would be a one year, four million deal,

2004
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:55,320
Speaker 3: four million deal with upside. We didn't know what the

2005
01:41:55,400 --> 01:41:57,760
Speaker 3: terms would be. That worked out. That was a good

2006
01:41:57,840 --> 01:42:00,640
Speaker 3: job with scouting by Jason light the Bucks GM that

2007
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:05,120
Speaker 3: surprising people and that one worked out, you know, by

2008
01:42:05,160 --> 01:42:08,439
Speaker 3: the way, the Kurt Warner thing. Yes, the Cardinals drafted

2009
01:42:08,479 --> 01:42:12,040
Speaker 3: Matt Lioner to be their starting quarterback for the future.

2010
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:14,680
Speaker 3: But the problem with and this is something we'll talk

2011
01:42:14,720 --> 01:42:16,840
Speaker 3: towards as we do these segments closer to the draft.

2012
01:42:17,320 --> 01:42:20,080
Speaker 3: The problem with USC and Matt Liner, who was really

2013
01:42:20,200 --> 01:42:23,560
Speaker 3: under pressure and when he was as a professional, he

2014
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:26,040
Speaker 3: couldn't handle it. And that's the problem with the spread

2015
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:28,639
Speaker 3: offenses in college. You don't see these guys under pressure.

2016
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:31,559
Speaker 3: That's why teams to miss quarterback at the NFL level.

2017
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:35,320
Speaker 2: Well, it's always interesting. So twenty three years of the

2018
01:42:35,439 --> 01:42:39,479
Speaker 2: Knobine and Adam, you know, one really quick question, final

2019
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:43,040
Speaker 2: question here the idea that many of these players already

2020
01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:45,640
Speaker 2: have millions of dollars in their bank accounts because of

2021
01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:50,799
Speaker 2: nil has that changed a certain attitude about these players

2022
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:55,759
Speaker 2: entering the NFL combines in the NFL Draft, Steve, I've.

2023
01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:58,400
Speaker 3: Actually asked that question just in terms of transfer pot

2024
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:02,479
Speaker 3: and I getting being having money in your pocket piece

2025
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:04,080
Speaker 3: of money, obviously not the kind of money they're going

2026
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:04,360
Speaker 3: to make.

2027
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:05,160
Speaker 7: Now.

2028
01:43:05,479 --> 01:43:08,160
Speaker 3: The it's you remember, these players only get sixteen minutes

2029
01:43:08,200 --> 01:43:10,760
Speaker 3: per team in the interview, and that has come up.

2030
01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:13,080
Speaker 3: They just want to check for entitlement. Are these kids

2031
01:43:13,160 --> 01:43:15,559
Speaker 3: thinking like they've got it made already, that they don't

2032
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:19,920
Speaker 3: have to work hard. That's that's something that's absolutely fair game,

2033
01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:22,240
Speaker 3: because that's a new thing, man. This is a new

2034
01:43:22,280 --> 01:43:25,400
Speaker 3: thing that NFL teams have to deal with. And the

2035
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:27,599
Speaker 3: other thing is that some of these kids that knew

2036
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:29,519
Speaker 3: they were going to be fifth, sixth or seventh round picks,

2037
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:32,439
Speaker 3: but are getting paid in college with good ni all money.

2038
01:43:32,720 --> 01:43:34,920
Speaker 3: They're not going to declarely you must well stay in

2039
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:38,280
Speaker 3: college because you can make a ptially make a couple

2040
01:43:38,360 --> 01:43:41,400
Speaker 3: million if you've marked yourself well well.

2041
01:43:41,400 --> 01:43:43,280
Speaker 2: And I'm a fan of that because I'm a college

2042
01:43:43,320 --> 01:43:45,439
Speaker 2: football fan, and I like the idea of the guys

2043
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:48,519
Speaker 2: are staying in college, maybe the extra year. Obviously we're

2044
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:51,200
Speaker 2: getting these one year wonders that and I mean, I

2045
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:54,120
Speaker 2: mean again, when we talk about bo Nicks, we talk

2046
01:43:54,160 --> 01:43:55,880
Speaker 2: about a Michael Pennox, you and you, when we talk

2047
01:43:55,920 --> 01:43:59,599
Speaker 2: about Jayden Daniels, I mean, these guys played full collegiate

2048
01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:02,360
Speaker 2: careers at one school and ended up, you know, with

2049
01:44:02,479 --> 01:44:04,479
Speaker 2: a couple of extra years to take their game to

2050
01:44:04,520 --> 01:44:07,960
Speaker 2: another level. And that's the other point. When you're suddenly

2051
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:10,160
Speaker 2: looking at a twenty three to twenty four year old

2052
01:44:10,240 --> 01:44:13,240
Speaker 2: quarterback as opposed to a twenty one or twenty two

2053
01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:15,519
Speaker 2: year a quarterback, that's got to be a factor as well,

2054
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:19,360
Speaker 2: because ultimately you have to decide how much upside does

2055
01:44:19,439 --> 01:44:23,600
Speaker 2: this guy have moving forward in his NFL career or

2056
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:26,400
Speaker 2: have we already seen as good as he's going to get.

2057
01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:29,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, one more thing on that, Steve, this is like

2058
01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:30,640
Speaker 3: the first year we've really had to deal with this.

2059
01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:33,719
Speaker 3: It's not a big factor yet, but I do believe

2060
01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:35,880
Speaker 3: down the line, over the years it will be because again,

2061
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:38,519
Speaker 3: these mid to late round picks, and if they have

2062
01:44:38,600 --> 01:44:41,160
Speaker 3: eligibility left, if they think they can make one to

2063
01:44:41,200 --> 01:44:43,840
Speaker 3: two million in school, why would you leave? And then

2064
01:44:44,439 --> 01:44:47,160
Speaker 3: you know what, why would you You could just enhance yourself.

2065
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:48,880
Speaker 3: You can't do any worse. By the way, if you know,

2066
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:51,720
Speaker 3: if if an agent tells you, look, I think you're

2067
01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:55,240
Speaker 3: going around five to seven while not staying score, you

2068
01:44:55,280 --> 01:44:57,240
Speaker 3: can make more money the chance that you're not going

2069
01:44:57,280 --> 01:44:58,640
Speaker 3: to make it the next level anyway.

2070
01:44:58,720 --> 01:45:01,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean absolutely, and that's going to be a

2071
01:45:01,680 --> 01:45:03,920
Speaker 2: big story moving forward as far as the world of

2072
01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:06,439
Speaker 2: football is concerned. Adam, great job is always we appreciate.

2073
01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:09,479
Speaker 2: We know you're really busy in Indy. Always appreciate the time.

2074
01:45:09,560 --> 01:45:13,360
Speaker 2: Thanks so much. That's Adam Kaplan are NFL inside of

2075
01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:15,920
Speaker 2: here with Fox Sports Radio. Yeah, I mean you have

2076
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:18,519
Speaker 2: to think about this, montsee. I mean, if you have

2077
01:45:18,600 --> 01:45:21,719
Speaker 2: an opportunity to make millions. Now, look, this doesn't apply

2078
01:45:21,880 --> 01:45:23,599
Speaker 2: to those that are being projected to be a top

2079
01:45:23,680 --> 01:45:25,000
Speaker 2: five pick in the NFL drafts.

2080
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:26,800
Speaker 4: So you want to get to that money as quickly

2081
01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:27,519
Speaker 4: as possible.

2082
01:45:27,640 --> 01:45:30,920
Speaker 1: But if yeah, if you're in that gray area, why

2083
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:31,519
Speaker 1: not stay?

2084
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:34,560
Speaker 2: Why not stay? And that's certainly worked out well for

2085
01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:37,960
Speaker 2: a Michael Pennix junior who had all those injuries at Indiana,

2086
01:45:38,040 --> 01:45:41,080
Speaker 2: goes to Washington, puts together two big years. Bo Nix,

2087
01:45:41,160 --> 01:45:45,280
Speaker 2: who looked ordinary at Auburn suddenly looks extraordinary at Oregon.

2088
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:48,519
Speaker 2: By the way, there are some people downgrading them though,

2089
01:45:49,200 --> 01:45:52,679
Speaker 2: those two specifically that they may not even be first

2090
01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:53,599
Speaker 2: round picks.

2091
01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:54,439
Speaker 1: These of age.

2092
01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:57,479
Speaker 2: Could be a number of factors. So we'll see about that.

2093
01:45:57,600 --> 01:46:00,040
Speaker 2: All right, Let's find out what's trending right now. We

2094
01:46:00,439 --> 01:46:05,519
Speaker 2: welcome Martin back. Martin, are you a college sports fan

2095
01:46:05,760 --> 01:46:09,519
Speaker 2: versus professional sports? Which which way do you lean? Uh?

2096
01:46:10,280 --> 01:46:12,840
Speaker 8: I would say I probably am a bigger fan of

2097
01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:16,479
Speaker 8: professional sports. But that's like to me asking which is

2098
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:20,880
Speaker 8: colder Alaska or Antarctica? Really that both You're gonna need

2099
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:22,920
Speaker 8: a jacket either way. Yeah, I like both of them,

2100
01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:24,920
Speaker 8: you know, like, I like both of them a lot.

2101
01:46:25,160 --> 01:46:27,000
Speaker 8: I don't think I ranked one over the others.

2102
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:29,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, comparisons today have been on top of it.

2103
01:46:29,680 --> 01:46:31,880
Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to entertain, you know, what I mean,

2104
01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:34,519
Speaker 2: I'm here to entertain. I tell you the difference. For me,

2105
01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:38,000
Speaker 2: it was in favoring college football and this is back

2106
01:46:38,080 --> 01:46:41,200
Speaker 2: in the day. And again the now level of professionalism

2107
01:46:41,280 --> 01:46:43,160
Speaker 2: we're seeing at the collegiate level can be a big

2108
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:45,760
Speaker 2: game changer. But I know that I've known so many

2109
01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:48,680
Speaker 2: NFL players over the years, and I've interviewed them, you know,

2110
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:53,400
Speaker 2: doing stories on these players and talk about their collegiate

2111
01:46:53,520 --> 01:46:56,320
Speaker 2: years and then you know, transferring over to their professional career,

2112
01:46:56,840 --> 01:46:58,880
Speaker 2: and almost all of them will pause and say, you know,

2113
01:46:58,960 --> 01:47:02,760
Speaker 2: it's unbelievable. I can remember like every game of my

2114
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:07,200
Speaker 2: college career, and I can remember very few games in

2115
01:47:07,320 --> 01:47:10,639
Speaker 2: my professional career. The idea of playing for school pride

2116
01:47:10,720 --> 01:47:15,280
Speaker 2: or whatever call as opposed to a job, and obviously

2117
01:47:15,320 --> 01:47:17,840
Speaker 2: remember Super Bowls or something along those lines. But he goes,

2118
01:47:18,160 --> 01:47:21,120
Speaker 2: I mean multiple players I've interviewed over the years will

2119
01:47:21,160 --> 01:47:23,680
Speaker 2: say the same thing, like, when you get to the

2120
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:26,280
Speaker 2: professional level, it's just like a blur. I mean, it's

2121
01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:28,720
Speaker 2: just another game, another name, another game. But at the

2122
01:47:28,760 --> 01:47:32,720
Speaker 2: collegiate level, it's just an event. So that's fascinating.

2123
01:47:32,920 --> 01:47:36,599
Speaker 8: How I once asked Tyron Matthew if he remembered hitting

2124
01:47:36,720 --> 01:47:38,920
Speaker 8: one of my good friends I was growing up, because

2125
01:47:38,920 --> 01:47:40,080
Speaker 8: we're all around the same age.

2126
01:47:40,360 --> 01:47:43,120
Speaker 2: Somehow Tyro Mathew's still playing football. I wake up and

2127
01:47:43,200 --> 01:47:43,639
Speaker 2: it hurts.

2128
01:47:44,040 --> 01:47:47,960
Speaker 8: But he tore my friends acl on like one of

2129
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:50,360
Speaker 8: the most vicious hits I've ever seen in high school football.

2130
01:47:50,520 --> 01:47:52,840
Speaker 8: And he remembered the down and distance, the time of that,

2131
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:55,519
Speaker 8: like the time of day, like you remembered all of it.

2132
01:47:55,560 --> 01:47:57,200
Speaker 8: And this was a jamboree, the scrimmage.

2133
01:47:57,400 --> 01:47:57,599
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2134
01:47:58,200 --> 01:48:00,599
Speaker 4: So you can't talk to any of these players, bar Arrington.

2135
01:48:01,000 --> 01:48:03,200
Speaker 2: Even the guys are guys here that play, you know,

2136
01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:06,320
Speaker 2: great college players, great professional players. They will all tell

2137
01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:09,920
Speaker 2: you the same thing. They will remember almost every game

2138
01:48:10,040 --> 01:48:10,880
Speaker 2: of their collegiate career.

2139
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:12,760
Speaker 8: I will say that one thing that does bother me

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Speaker 8: right now about college football is where we're at with it.

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Speaker 8: Is like I saw four years of Michael Pennix at

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Speaker 8: Indiana and I didn't never think he was like the

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Speaker 8: best quarterback or player in college football. Saw four years

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Speaker 8: ago Knicks at Auburn, same deal, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 8: Jaden Daniels at Arizona State.

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Speaker 2: I never think, but.

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Speaker 8: It all it all falls into the same category of

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Speaker 8: you're too old to be here, you know. But now

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Speaker 8: that the COVID year is washing out, shout out to

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Speaker 8: Kaylen Clark for not taking the COVID yet agreed, all right,

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Speaker 8: go to the go be go be work in the draft,

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Speaker 8: so yeah, yeah, go to work all right. Speaking of

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Speaker 8: college sports, of this one, not close so far. Seven

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01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:56,080
Speaker 8: twenty left in the first half. Duke with a thirty

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Speaker 8: one to eleven lead over Virginia. We'll see if the

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01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:00,639
Speaker 8: Cavaliers can come back. You know, they are not known

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Speaker 8: for scoring the basketball in the NBA. One game in

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Speaker 8: progress right now, middle of the third quarter, the Utah

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Speaker 8: Jazz Miami Heat. Utah with a seventy eight to seventy

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Speaker 8: seven lead. Let's go to the NFL. We'll get to

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Speaker 8: some more results in just a moment. Athletic is reporting

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01:49:14,680 --> 01:49:17,559
Speaker 8: that Broncos quarterback Russell Wilson likely to be cut as

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01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:18,439
Speaker 8: soon as next week.

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Speaker 2: Duh A.

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Speaker 8: Thirteen year left tackle Tyron Smith unlikely to resign with

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Speaker 8: the Cowboys. He and owner Jerry Jones could not agree

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01:49:25,680 --> 01:49:28,840
Speaker 8: on new compensation. Smith an eight time Pro Bowler in

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Speaker 8: his thirteen years in Dallas, but wide receiver Mike Evans

2169
01:49:31,960 --> 01:49:34,599
Speaker 8: expected to test free agency with reports saying he wants

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Speaker 8: to play with an elite quarterback, paid like a top

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01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:39,639
Speaker 8: wide out and compete for a Super Bowl. You want

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01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:41,439
Speaker 8: to talk about a guy who had an interesting college career,

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01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:43,880
Speaker 8: Mike Evans playing with Johnny Manzell.

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Speaker 2: What that?

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Speaker 8: Former Chargers head coach Brandon Staley will join the San

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01:49:48,200 --> 01:49:51,320
Speaker 8: Francisco forty nine ers as assistant head coach. Will also

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Speaker 8: be on the defensive staff, but not defensive coordinator. That

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Speaker 8: will be defensive passing game specialist Nick Sorens and he

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Speaker 8: got a promotion shoe quarterback Jadon Daniels formerly of Arizona State,

2180
01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:04,920
Speaker 8: as Steve just mentioned, and wide receiver from elite neighbors.

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01:50:05,200 --> 01:50:08,640
Speaker 8: They did not participate in the measurements portion of the combine,

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01:50:08,680 --> 01:50:11,240
Speaker 8: saying they would do so at the pro day March

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01:50:11,320 --> 01:50:14,479
Speaker 8: twenty seventh in Baton Rouge. And speaking of Johnny Manziel,

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Speaker 8: he is boycotting the Heisman Trophy ceremony until two thousand

2185
01:50:18,920 --> 01:50:21,639
Speaker 8: and five winner Reggie Bush gets his Heisman Trophy back.

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Speaker 8: Earlier today in the NBA, the Nets beat the Hawks

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01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:27,400
Speaker 8: one fourteen to one oh two. Michale Bridges had thirty

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01:50:27,439 --> 01:50:31,320
Speaker 8: eight and in college basketball he had wins for Baylor,

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01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:35,880
Speaker 8: South Carolina, Kentucky, Creton, Iowa State, and North Carolina beating

2190
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:40,040
Speaker 8: NC State in that vicious in state rivalry seventy nine

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Speaker 8: to just seventy nine to seventy in Chapel Hill.

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Speaker 2: Back to you guys, all right, Martin, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: By the way, just quick note on Johnny Manziel. I

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01:50:48,040 --> 01:50:50,439
Speaker 2: don't know did you see the documentary on Johnny Manzil

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01:50:50,680 --> 01:50:53,320
Speaker 2: any longer? And by the way, it ends with him

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01:50:53,439 --> 01:50:56,720
Speaker 2: drinking alcohol. It wasn't. It wasn't like, you know, well,

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01:50:56,840 --> 01:51:00,280
Speaker 2: he's turned his life around. It basically ended with him

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Speaker 2: exactly where he started.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like it's like he hasn't really done anything to

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Speaker 4: change his situation.

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Speaker 5: But he is.

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Speaker 1: I feel like looking at it from an outside perspective now,

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01:51:13,800 --> 01:51:16,360
Speaker 1: you know, looking back right, Mark, what are you gonna say?

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01:51:16,439 --> 01:51:19,360
Speaker 8: My favorite part of the Johnny Manziel documentary, which I

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01:51:19,400 --> 01:51:22,639
Speaker 8: feel was viciously underrated and I talked about nearly enough,

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01:51:23,600 --> 01:51:27,519
Speaker 8: Cliff Kingsbury when he talks about how Johnny Manziel would

2207
01:51:27,560 --> 01:51:30,200
Speaker 8: come in hung over it through walk throughs, he has

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01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:33,280
Speaker 8: the biggest smile on his face. He was like he

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Speaker 8: was remembering these like command. Those were the good old days.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no problems with They had no problems with it

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01:51:38,680 --> 01:51:39,280
Speaker 1: at all.

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01:51:39,520 --> 01:51:41,960
Speaker 8: He was just like, yeah, I told him, you're ass

2213
01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:44,280
Speaker 8: better compete and then he was like it, sure enough

2214
01:51:44,360 --> 01:51:46,599
Speaker 8: he did. And Cliff Kingsbury just got a Ronald MacDonald

2215
01:51:46,640 --> 01:51:49,880
Speaker 8: kool ad smile just on his face. Was remembering how

2216
01:51:49,960 --> 01:51:52,400
Speaker 8: Johnny would go out in KYLEI Station and then come

2217
01:51:52,479 --> 01:51:54,120
Speaker 8: back and still be able to ball as like a

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01:51:54,320 --> 01:51:55,400
Speaker 8: nineteen year old kid.

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Speaker 1: Because I mean impressive, Like, imagine living through that.

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01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:03,439
Speaker 2: Well again, Johnny Manziel And I've said this, I've been

2221
01:52:03,479 --> 01:52:08,320
Speaker 2: following college football for fifty five years, I mean religiously.

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01:52:09,560 --> 01:52:12,519
Speaker 2: He is still easily in my top five all time

2223
01:52:12,560 --> 01:52:16,080
Speaker 2: favorite college football players. And as you find out in

2224
01:52:16,160 --> 01:52:20,719
Speaker 2: that documentary, the reason he was so dynamic at Texas

2225
01:52:20,760 --> 01:52:22,600
Speaker 2: A and m at why it did not work for

2226
01:52:22,720 --> 01:52:25,839
Speaker 2: him in the NFL, is that he just addled everything.

2227
01:52:26,560 --> 01:52:28,760
Speaker 2: And you go to the NFL and now they want

2228
01:52:28,840 --> 01:52:31,800
Speaker 2: to say, well, this is how we do things. We

2229
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:34,719
Speaker 2: need you to do this, and one structure was introduced

2230
01:52:34,760 --> 01:52:39,280
Speaker 2: into his game. His game disappeared because his game was unstructured.

2231
01:52:40,200 --> 01:52:43,240
Speaker 2: His two games against Alabama his freshman year, when they

2232
01:52:43,280 --> 01:52:45,559
Speaker 2: beat Alabama, which was the reason he won the Heisman,

2233
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:48,439
Speaker 2: and then the next year Alabama did nothing to slow

2234
01:52:48,520 --> 01:52:52,240
Speaker 2: I mean Nick Saban just like, get rid of this guy.

2235
01:52:52,479 --> 01:52:55,680
Speaker 2: I don't have a clue beginning what to do with

2236
01:52:55,760 --> 01:52:58,360
Speaker 2: this guy. It was no structure, no structure at all.

2237
01:52:59,280 --> 01:53:03,640
Speaker 2: And again, his failure to produce any NFL career for

2238
01:53:03,720 --> 01:53:06,479
Speaker 2: a variety of reasons and again does not in any

2239
01:53:06,600 --> 01:53:10,680
Speaker 2: way diminish what he was in college football. He was

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Speaker 2: one of the greatest, most dynamic college football quarterbacks ever.

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Speaker 1: Ever, is it more impressive?

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01:53:19,360 --> 01:53:19,479
Speaker 3: Now?

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01:53:21,360 --> 01:53:21,559
Speaker 5: Yes?

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01:53:22,280 --> 01:53:23,840
Speaker 4: Here, here's the thing, so you know me, I do

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01:53:23,960 --> 01:53:24,880
Speaker 4: my Heisman update.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:53:25,320 --> 01:53:28,240
Speaker 2: So in twenty twelve his freshman year, Richerd freshman year

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01:53:28,240 --> 01:53:30,880
Speaker 2: at Texas A and m obviously nobody knows who Johnny

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01:53:30,920 --> 01:53:34,200
Speaker 2: Manzel is. He wasn't like some high school superstar. And

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Speaker 2: it was like week four, you know, I do my

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01:53:36,120 --> 01:53:38,640
Speaker 2: update one, two, three, and so I'm looking at some

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01:53:38,840 --> 01:53:42,240
Speaker 2: numbers and he had just played a game in the SEC.

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01:53:42,360 --> 01:53:45,799
Speaker 2: I think he had set an SEC single game total

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01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:48,800
Speaker 2: offense record. So I wanted to put this guy on

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Speaker 2: my list, but I didn't know how to pronounce his

2256
01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:53,960
Speaker 2: name because it looks like Manziel. Right, it does, and

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01:53:54,080 --> 01:53:55,960
Speaker 2: so I'm like trying to you know, you know, go

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01:53:56,040 --> 01:53:58,880
Speaker 2: on YouTube like somebody and the like Manzel. All right,

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01:53:59,320 --> 01:54:01,200
Speaker 2: so I'm doing three to two one and he's my

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Speaker 2: number one. I go, my number one is Johnny Manzell,

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01:54:05,640 --> 01:54:08,880
Speaker 2: quarterback Texas A and m Mermer's like, who the hell

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01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:13,240
Speaker 2: is Johnny Manzell And then he threw three picks against

2263
01:54:13,360 --> 01:54:16,880
Speaker 2: LSU and they lost the game. He dropped off my list. Obviously,

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01:54:16,920 --> 01:54:18,880
Speaker 2: he ended up winning the Heisman that year, but I

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01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:22,640
Speaker 2: mean he's you know, those those character stories, even if

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01:54:22,680 --> 01:54:26,400
Speaker 2: they're flawed in so many ways. And by the way,

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01:54:26,439 --> 01:54:29,160
Speaker 2: there were other things about him that were like exaggerated,

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01:54:29,240 --> 01:54:32,160
Speaker 2: like he came from this insanely wealthy family.

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01:54:32,360 --> 01:54:33,040
Speaker 1: No he didn't.

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Speaker 4: I mean they were not poor, but it wasn't like

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01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:37,640
Speaker 4: they were some zillionaires.

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Speaker 2: It's all these stories emerged about Johnny Manziel, and it

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01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:43,680
Speaker 2: really came out after he won the Heisman Trophy because

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01:54:44,080 --> 01:54:46,400
Speaker 2: they sort of kept him under wraps. Kevin Someone was

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01:54:46,440 --> 01:54:48,640
Speaker 2: the coach of the team, and you know, he's a freshman.

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01:54:49,200 --> 01:54:51,000
Speaker 2: But after he won the Heisman, all of a sudden,

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01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:53,720
Speaker 2: we heard a lot more from Johnny Manzil, and they

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01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:58,080
Speaker 2: estimate that his winning the Heisman translated into like a

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01:54:58,240 --> 01:55:00,960
Speaker 2: fifty million dollar windfall for Texas A and him.

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01:55:01,600 --> 01:55:04,080
Speaker 4: So when people say, well, what does the Heisman actually mean?

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01:55:04,600 --> 01:55:07,200
Speaker 2: That Alabama had never had a Heisman winner until Nick

2282
01:55:07,280 --> 01:55:10,400
Speaker 2: Saban got there, and then he had four. And believe me,

2283
01:55:10,520 --> 01:55:13,800
Speaker 2: lining up those heismans is a really good recruiting tool.

2284
01:55:14,080 --> 01:55:17,200
Speaker 2: He knew it. Alabama never had a Heisman winner before him.

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01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:19,480
Speaker 2: So I love those stories.

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01:55:19,600 --> 01:55:19,800
Speaker 8: Yeah.

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01:55:19,880 --> 01:55:22,960
Speaker 1: No, for even though he was flawed, it does seem

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01:55:23,080 --> 01:55:25,440
Speaker 1: like he was still so well liked. Yeah, you know,

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01:55:25,600 --> 01:55:28,880
Speaker 1: so it's like he was still delivering. Yeah, he you know,

2290
01:55:29,080 --> 01:55:31,440
Speaker 1: could not work in the NFL because of the structure.

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01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:35,240
Speaker 1: But I agree. I love the documentary and I find

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Speaker 1: his college career even more impressive.

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Speaker 3: No.

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01:55:38,760 --> 01:55:41,680
Speaker 2: No, he'll be in the College Football Hall of FIM

2295
01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:43,880
Speaker 2: someday by the Reggie Bushes in the College Football Hall

2296
01:55:43,880 --> 01:55:46,760
Speaker 2: of fam Oh they didn't, Yeah, they didn't know. Well

2297
01:55:46,800 --> 01:55:47,040
Speaker 2: he was.

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01:55:47,840 --> 01:55:49,920
Speaker 4: He was as soon as he was eligible. They put

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01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:51,560
Speaker 4: him on the list. He got voted in. Why not,

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01:55:51,560 --> 01:55:53,840
Speaker 4: He's one of the greatest college football players of all time.

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01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:55,840
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, coming up on the other start, we're

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Speaker 2: going to switch back to the NFL for a moment here,

2303
01:55:58,960 --> 01:56:04,240
Speaker 2: and perhaps the single biggest question mark heading into the

2304
01:56:04,360 --> 01:56:08,720
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four season. Which player are we talking about?

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Speaker 2: You're gonna find out. This is Fox Sports Saturday, Steve

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01:56:17,720 --> 01:56:21,840
Speaker 2: Harbin and Monte Belanios Here Fox Sports Saturday. We're live

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01:56:21,960 --> 01:56:28,880
Speaker 2: from the tire Rock dot Com studios. So I was

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01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:35,200
Speaker 2: thinking about this the other day about Aaron Rodgers going

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01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:39,120
Speaker 2: into twenty twenty four. Now, remember a year ago at

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01:56:39,160 --> 01:56:43,320
Speaker 2: this time, there was all this speculation that his days

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01:56:43,360 --> 01:56:47,160
Speaker 2: in Green Bay were over, that he wanted to play

2312
01:56:47,240 --> 01:56:49,960
Speaker 2: for the New York Jets and somehow they will get

2313
01:56:49,960 --> 01:56:54,680
Speaker 2: a deal done, which they did, And then there was

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01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:59,280
Speaker 2: all this controversy about Hard Knocks that the NFL was

2315
01:56:59,360 --> 01:57:03,120
Speaker 2: really having a hard time getting any team to agree

2316
01:57:03,280 --> 01:57:06,040
Speaker 2: to be in the Hard Knocks subject matter for twenty

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01:57:06,120 --> 01:57:09,680
Speaker 2: twenty four. And one of the eligible teams there's a

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01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:13,440
Speaker 2: certain eligibility based been on it before, whatever was the Jets,

2319
01:57:13,760 --> 01:57:15,880
Speaker 2: and everyone assumed, well, there's no way the Jets are

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01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:19,440
Speaker 2: going to do it because Aaron Rodgers doesn't want that

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01:57:19,800 --> 01:57:23,440
Speaker 2: to deal with. Well, not only did it turn out

2322
01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:27,560
Speaker 2: to be the Jets, but Aaron Rodgers was the entire show.

2323
01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:32,160
Speaker 2: He was like he was literally grabbing the camera guy

2324
01:57:33,280 --> 01:57:34,640
Speaker 2: everywhere he went.

2325
01:57:34,880 --> 01:57:38,920
Speaker 1: It opened with slow motion of Aaron Rodgers.

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01:57:38,640 --> 01:57:42,480
Speaker 2: Walking like he would go to his teammates saying, why

2327
01:57:42,560 --> 01:57:44,160
Speaker 2: are you uncomfortable with these people?

2328
01:57:44,200 --> 01:57:46,520
Speaker 4: They're here to do a job and everything else. So

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01:57:46,640 --> 01:57:48,480
Speaker 4: it became the Aaron Rodgers Show.

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01:57:49,040 --> 01:57:51,880
Speaker 2: Now, as we know, for several years, Aaron Rodgers had

2331
01:57:51,920 --> 01:57:55,880
Speaker 2: his platform with Pat McAfee, who obviously now his show

2332
01:57:55,960 --> 01:58:00,400
Speaker 2: is carried by ESPN, and then became the controversy with

2333
01:58:00,560 --> 01:58:05,080
Speaker 2: the Jimmy Kimmel rift that he had with Jeffrey Epstein

2334
01:58:05,280 --> 01:58:09,959
Speaker 2: and the whole shebang, and McAfee, I think smartly decided

2335
01:58:10,560 --> 01:58:12,080
Speaker 2: I don't need this now.

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01:58:12,120 --> 01:58:14,600
Speaker 4: I mean, I got people giving me pressure all over

2337
01:58:14,680 --> 01:58:16,560
Speaker 4: the place. It's not worth it to me.

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01:58:17,960 --> 01:58:19,960
Speaker 2: Yes, Aaron, thank you for putting me on the map,

2339
01:58:20,360 --> 01:58:23,480
Speaker 2: because if it wasn't for Aaron Rodgers, McAfee wouldn't have

2340
01:58:23,480 --> 01:58:24,720
Speaker 2: gotten to the level he got.

2341
01:58:25,280 --> 01:58:27,120
Speaker 4: But at this point he didn't need him anymore and

2342
01:58:27,240 --> 01:58:28,400
Speaker 4: he wasn't worth the trouble.

2343
01:58:29,440 --> 01:58:32,879
Speaker 2: But that means that we really don't have that steady

2344
01:58:33,040 --> 01:58:39,200
Speaker 2: stream of consciousness from Aaron Rodgers that we've grown accustomed

2345
01:58:39,200 --> 01:58:41,960
Speaker 2: to the last couple of years, and so to me,

2346
01:58:42,160 --> 01:58:44,879
Speaker 2: there really doesn't seem to be any way to gauge

2347
01:58:45,720 --> 01:58:49,520
Speaker 2: where he is in this effort to come back at

2348
01:58:49,560 --> 01:58:53,800
Speaker 2: the age of forty after a blown Achilles, to return

2349
01:58:53,920 --> 01:58:57,160
Speaker 2: to a bad Jets team who retained their coach and

2350
01:58:57,280 --> 01:59:00,480
Speaker 2: their offensive coordinator would not have had And if Aaron

2351
01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:04,320
Speaker 2: Rodgers didn't want it to happen, I'm just that to

2352
01:59:04,440 --> 01:59:08,200
Speaker 2: me is still the number one question mark as we

2353
01:59:08,320 --> 01:59:09,600
Speaker 2: go into twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: So the Pat McAfee side of this, a lot of

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Speaker 1: people were saying that it had nothing to do with

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Speaker 1: that situation that was happening with Jimmy Kimmel, that it

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Speaker 1: was that the season was over and Aaron Rodgers only

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Speaker 1: comes on during the season, and so that's what a

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Speaker 1: lot of people were saying. But you're right, there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of question marks. And it's interesting because I

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01:59:29,200 --> 01:59:31,240
Speaker 1: felt like during the season it was like, I'm so

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Speaker 1: overhearing about Aaron Rodgers and this Achilles injury, and right

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Speaker 1: now that I'm actually interested, we.

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Speaker 2: Don't know anything, nothing, nothing, And this is when I

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01:59:39,960 --> 01:59:44,640
Speaker 2: actually there's no hard knocks this year, so we until

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Speaker 2: he shows up a training camp.

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Speaker 4: We really have nothing. So you're saying you got tired

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01:59:50,520 --> 01:59:51,080
Speaker 4: of him, but.

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Speaker 1: In some ways, no week to week, you weren't giving

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Speaker 1: me new information. It was the same thing, right, But

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Speaker 1: now you can actually give us information and we don't

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Speaker 1: know even.

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Speaker 2: And now I'm curious and I'm Currie. I'm with you,

2374
02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:07,200
Speaker 2: because again, if he can rebound from that level of injury,

2375
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Speaker 2: and there's nothing more crippling for an athlete than a

2376
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Speaker 2: blown achilles, right, and the success rate of star players

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Speaker 2: returning from achilles is very short, yep, very short at

2378
02:00:19,440 --> 02:00:21,320
Speaker 2: least to get back to the same level. So just

2379
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Speaker 2: something else in the off season. But that, to me

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Speaker 2: is one of the curious stories coming up in the

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Speaker 2: month of March. March is a basketball month for many people,

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Speaker 2: and I will sort of include myself in this. It's

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Speaker 2: when I start to really buckle down and watch basketball. Obviously,

2394
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Speaker 2: we're a couple of weeks away from finding out the

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Speaker 2: field for the NCAA Basketball Tournament, so March Madness is

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Speaker 2: very near, and as far as the NBA is concerned,

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Speaker 2: we get down to the last twenty games of the

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Speaker 2: regular season playoff positioning. I think, more so than just

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Speaker 2: about any sport, matchups matter in basketball. Why certain teams

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02:01:48,720 --> 02:01:52,960
Speaker 2: match up better against other teams. Sometimes it's physical, it

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02:01:53,040 --> 02:01:56,480
Speaker 2: can be speed. There's a reason why certain teams have

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Speaker 2: other teams numbers and based on matchups is how far

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Speaker 2: they're going to progress in the postseason. So it happens

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Speaker 2: a lot in basketball. Speaking of the NBA, right now,

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02:02:08,480 --> 02:02:10,760
Speaker 2: the hottest team in the NBA team by far with

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02:02:10,800 --> 02:02:12,720
Speaker 2: the best record in the league. They're on a ten

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Speaker 2: game winning streak as the Boston Celtics. Now, Monsey understand this.

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Speaker 2: As a lifelong Laker fan.

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Speaker 1: You don't like it.

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02:02:20,400 --> 02:02:23,760
Speaker 2: So I was in fifth grade when Bill Russell and

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Speaker 2: the Celtics beat the Lakers in the NBA Finals. It

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02:02:26,840 --> 02:02:30,440
Speaker 2: was Bill Russell's last championship. It was the year wil

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Speaker 2: Chamberlain came to the Lakers, and we thought, there's no

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Speaker 2: way the Lakers are going to lose now that they

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02:02:34,760 --> 02:02:38,880
Speaker 2: have Wilt with Elgin and Jerry, and he came down

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Speaker 2: to a game seven, and normally game sevens with the

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02:02:41,440 --> 02:02:43,680
Speaker 2: Celtics had always been in Boston. This one was going

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02:02:43,720 --> 02:02:46,960
Speaker 2: to be at the Forum, and the Celtics beat them anyway,

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02:02:47,640 --> 02:02:51,720
Speaker 2: and then Russell retired and everything else, and so instantly

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Speaker 2: I learned as a fifth grader, I hate the Celtic. Okay,

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02:02:56,640 --> 02:03:00,760
Speaker 2: sure like the Yankees. You know you're West and so

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02:03:00,880 --> 02:03:04,360
Speaker 2: those dominant teams. Nothing has really changed. I've enjoyed the

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02:03:04,440 --> 02:03:07,960
Speaker 2: fact that the Celtics have been to the Eastern Conference

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02:03:08,040 --> 02:03:11,320
Speaker 2: finals five of the last seven years, and yet they've

2425
02:03:11,360 --> 02:03:14,720
Speaker 2: only been to the finals once. Now they ended up losing.

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02:03:14,760 --> 02:03:16,480
Speaker 2: The team I equally hate that would be the Golden

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Speaker 2: State Warriors, but they haven't been able to break through

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Speaker 2: and win a championship.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Earlier, Mark Medina joined us and he puts clearly the

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Speaker 2: Celtics at the top of the list right now in

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02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:30,200
Speaker 2: the power rankings in the NBA, and he talked about

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02:03:30,360 --> 02:03:35,280
Speaker 2: Jason Tatum his game continues to evolved. And this goes

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Speaker 2: back to our conversation I had about Patrick Mahomes being

2435
02:03:38,480 --> 02:03:44,600
Speaker 2: the only true franchise quarterback in the NBA until Jason

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02:03:44,640 --> 02:03:47,760
Speaker 2: Tatum can actually break through. If he ever breaks through

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Speaker 2: and not only wins the championship but ends up being

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02:03:50,960 --> 02:03:53,880
Speaker 2: the difference in those NBA finals in order for the

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02:03:53,960 --> 02:03:56,720
Speaker 2: Celtics to come on top, I'm sorry, I can't include

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02:03:56,760 --> 02:03:59,520
Speaker 2: him on the list. Giannis has done it, Jokic has

2441
02:03:59,520 --> 02:04:03,400
Speaker 2: done it one NBA championships. They've elevated themselves to that

2442
02:04:04,080 --> 02:04:07,360
Speaker 2: franchise level that obviously a lebron and as Steph Curry

2443
02:04:07,400 --> 02:04:10,400
Speaker 2: and others of that ILK have achieved. But until I

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02:04:10,560 --> 02:04:14,800
Speaker 2: actually see that, I'm sorry, he's not there yet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what you mean, because to me right now,

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02:04:18,080 --> 02:04:21,640
Speaker 1: the Celtics the difference maker this year has been Christops

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02:04:21,680 --> 02:04:27,200
Speaker 1: porzingis not necessarily Jason Tatum. I think he's great. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of great out there, right and so if

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Speaker 1: they do win, he would have to be the difference maker.

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02:04:34,960 --> 02:04:37,920
Speaker 1: But I yeah, we haven't seen it. We haven't. And

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02:04:37,960 --> 02:04:39,840
Speaker 1: it's and I'm gonna bring up maybe it's just because

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02:04:39,840 --> 02:04:43,760
Speaker 1: I love Jimmy Butler. I love Jimmy Butler, and he

2453
02:04:43,920 --> 02:04:46,960
Speaker 1: has not won, but I feel that we have seen

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Speaker 1: him be the difference maker for his team and he

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02:04:49,920 --> 02:04:52,840
Speaker 1: has left it all on the on the court. We've

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Speaker 1: literally seen it. Jason Tatum is so so good, yet

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02:04:57,960 --> 02:05:01,680
Speaker 1: I agree he hasn't been the difference maker for the Celtics.

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02:05:01,920 --> 02:05:06,840
Speaker 1: Could this be the year? But it's definitely. Christops porzingis

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02:05:07,080 --> 02:05:10,800
Speaker 1: why the Celtics to me, are dominating this year, right.

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Speaker 2: And there are other players now that could show that

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02:05:14,320 --> 02:05:18,080
Speaker 2: they are of that ilk we Shay Gilss, Alexander Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards Yeah. I mean these are players that obviously

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02:05:21,760 --> 02:05:25,520
Speaker 2: have now proven themselves to be all stars on really

2464
02:05:25,560 --> 02:05:32,520
Speaker 2: good teams. Do we believe that the Timberwolves or the

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02:05:32,600 --> 02:05:37,400
Speaker 2: thunder are better than the Nuggets and the Clippers with

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02:05:37,520 --> 02:05:40,440
Speaker 2: all the star power proven star power. I mean, you

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02:05:40,680 --> 02:05:44,360
Speaker 2: have Jokic who's proven now to be a champion. Obviously,

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02:05:44,480 --> 02:05:48,680
Speaker 2: Kawhi is a proven champion for the Clippers, and it

2469
02:05:48,760 --> 02:05:51,440
Speaker 2: could happen. I mean, I believe me. I've been I've

2470
02:05:51,520 --> 02:05:54,560
Speaker 2: mentioned this several times and beginning feedback on social media

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Speaker 2: for both those guys saying Edwards, it's got guy.

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Speaker 4: You watch, you watch. This is the year where people

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02:06:00,080 --> 02:06:01,440
Speaker 4: are gonna say he's the guy.

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Speaker 2: Okay. I remember the same thing with Dwayne Wade back

2475
02:06:04,200 --> 02:06:07,440
Speaker 2: in the day when the heat broke through and ended

2476
02:06:07,520 --> 02:06:10,840
Speaker 2: up upsetting Dallas to win the NBA Finals. And d

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02:06:11,080 --> 02:06:14,040
Speaker 2: Wade just went off in those NBA Finals, and this

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02:06:14,240 --> 02:06:16,920
Speaker 2: before Lebron obviously showed up, but at that point, all

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02:06:16,960 --> 02:06:19,080
Speaker 2: of a sudden, it's like, wow, Okay, he is now

2480
02:06:19,520 --> 02:06:23,600
Speaker 2: a franchise player. Dwayne Wade is that guy? And I

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02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:27,360
Speaker 2: just wonder are we because I look at the Celtics

2482
02:06:27,480 --> 02:06:30,839
Speaker 2: right now. They're playing some great basketball, but the eyeball

2483
02:06:30,960 --> 02:06:34,840
Speaker 2: tests is holding me back to say, all right, yeah,

2484
02:06:35,040 --> 02:06:36,320
Speaker 2: they are the team to beat.

2485
02:06:36,480 --> 02:06:38,920
Speaker 1: I feel you. I mean, they could prove us wrong.

2486
02:06:39,000 --> 02:06:42,200
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. We all know that once playoff

2487
02:06:42,240 --> 02:06:44,880
Speaker 1: basketball starts, it changes a little bit.

2488
02:06:45,080 --> 02:06:47,000
Speaker 4: Yes, different sports, it's a different sport.

2489
02:06:47,200 --> 02:06:49,200
Speaker 1: They're going to be more physical. The refs are going

2490
02:06:49,280 --> 02:06:51,920
Speaker 1: to allow it to be more physical, so it's going

2491
02:06:52,040 --> 02:06:55,800
Speaker 1: to change a little bit. The eye tests another one

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02:06:55,880 --> 02:06:59,400
Speaker 1: that I don't see it is the Cavaliers. The Cavaliers

2493
02:06:59,400 --> 02:07:02,280
Speaker 1: are number two in the Eastern Conference, tied with the

2494
02:07:02,320 --> 02:07:05,320
Speaker 1: Milwaukee Bucks essentially, and I watched them and I'm like, yeah,

2495
02:07:05,400 --> 02:07:08,400
Speaker 1: you look good, you look but do you look better

2496
02:07:08,520 --> 02:07:11,440
Speaker 1: than these other teams? I don't see it. Even though

2497
02:07:11,480 --> 02:07:13,680
Speaker 1: your records may say that you are one of the

2498
02:07:13,720 --> 02:07:19,560
Speaker 1: top teams, I don't see it either. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. The one thing I will say about

2500
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Speaker 1: the Oklahoma City Thunder that scares me as a Clippers fan.

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02:07:25,920 --> 02:07:29,440
Speaker 1: They are fast and they are young, yes, and that

2502
02:07:29,760 --> 02:07:33,959
Speaker 1: is the one thing that scares me. Not gonna lie hopefully,

2503
02:07:34,320 --> 02:07:37,040
Speaker 1: you know, the physicality will kick in and the Clippers

2504
02:07:37,120 --> 02:07:41,400
Speaker 1: can hold their own against them. But that's the Oklahoma

2505
02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:43,160
Speaker 1: City Thunder is a scary is a scary group.

2506
02:07:43,360 --> 02:07:46,680
Speaker 2: Well, this gets back to what's better when you have

2507
02:07:47,440 --> 02:07:50,120
Speaker 2: dominant teams. I mean, we had the years, the four

2508
02:07:50,160 --> 02:07:53,720
Speaker 2: straight years where Lebron and the Cavaliers played Steph and

2509
02:07:53,800 --> 02:07:56,800
Speaker 2: of course Durant for the last two and the Warriors

2510
02:07:56,840 --> 02:07:58,680
Speaker 2: in the NBA Finals, and it never happened. In fact,

2511
02:07:58,960 --> 02:08:02,040
Speaker 2: even with the dominance of the Lakers and Celtics, no

2512
02:08:02,280 --> 02:08:05,720
Speaker 2: two teams had played against each other in three consecutive finals,

2513
02:08:05,800 --> 02:08:08,320
Speaker 2: much less four in a row, So you had an

2514
02:08:08,360 --> 02:08:10,720
Speaker 2: inevitability that they were going to get there in the end,

2515
02:08:10,800 --> 02:08:12,520
Speaker 2: and the rest of the playoffs are just like, we're

2516
02:08:12,600 --> 02:08:15,280
Speaker 2: just wasting time because eventually we're going to get to

2517
02:08:15,400 --> 02:08:20,480
Speaker 2: Lebron versus the Warriors. And the ratings were huge for

2518
02:08:20,600 --> 02:08:25,000
Speaker 2: those NBA finals. Now, the NBA took a big hit

2519
02:08:25,160 --> 02:08:27,240
Speaker 2: like so many sports with the COVID year and they've

2520
02:08:27,240 --> 02:08:31,280
Speaker 2: been trying to get it back since, but their numbers

2521
02:08:31,320 --> 02:08:33,839
Speaker 2: aren't close to what they were with those calvs.

2522
02:08:34,080 --> 02:08:35,720
Speaker 4: Warriors matchups in the finals.

2523
02:08:36,080 --> 02:08:38,800
Speaker 2: So the idea that, well, the playoff are going to

2524
02:08:38,840 --> 02:08:41,840
Speaker 2: be interesting this year because we don't know how good

2525
02:08:41,960 --> 02:08:46,320
Speaker 2: Minnesota is going to be or Cleveland or OKC. Are

2526
02:08:46,400 --> 02:08:50,280
Speaker 2: they real? Are they pretenders? Can they compete against the

2527
02:08:50,360 --> 02:08:53,920
Speaker 2: more established teams? So there is the intrigue there, But

2528
02:08:54,040 --> 02:08:57,960
Speaker 2: what's your endgame? Yeah, and you know when we end

2529
02:08:58,120 --> 02:09:03,320
Speaker 2: up with Milwaukee and Phoenix that didn't really do a

2530
02:09:03,400 --> 02:09:07,800
Speaker 2: whole lot too, no generate a whole lot of interest,

2531
02:09:08,160 --> 02:09:13,160
Speaker 2: or Denver Miami or yeah that's not doing much.

2532
02:09:13,320 --> 02:09:16,040
Speaker 1: No, it really isn't. And you go to last year

2533
02:09:16,960 --> 02:09:22,280
Speaker 1: the Lakers being in playing team that went to the

2534
02:09:22,320 --> 02:09:23,320
Speaker 1: Western Conference finals.

2535
02:09:23,400 --> 02:09:24,080
Speaker 2: That was a big story.

2536
02:09:24,200 --> 02:09:26,080
Speaker 4: That was a huge story, and you got one of

2537
02:09:26,120 --> 02:09:28,200
Speaker 4: the two biggest stars in the league Lebron right.

2538
02:09:28,560 --> 02:09:31,560
Speaker 1: But it just goes to show how really anything can

2539
02:09:31,600 --> 02:09:35,000
Speaker 1: happen in the playoffs. And as much as you want to,

2540
02:09:36,240 --> 02:09:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, believe that there are fresh faces in the NBA,

2541
02:09:41,400 --> 02:09:44,200
Speaker 1: you're right, like, if the Lakers get in there, it's

2542
02:09:44,240 --> 02:09:46,120
Speaker 1: gonna be huge for the NBA. Can they do it?

2543
02:09:46,160 --> 02:09:46,640
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

2544
02:09:46,880 --> 02:09:47,320
Speaker 3: Not this year.

2545
02:09:47,640 --> 02:09:49,320
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a team that they were last year.

2546
02:09:49,680 --> 02:09:51,280
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot better teams around.

2547
02:09:51,440 --> 02:09:53,600
Speaker 2: Well, I understand what we were staring at right now.

2548
02:09:53,840 --> 02:09:56,560
Speaker 2: This whole playing tournament, which by the way, is always

2549
02:09:56,600 --> 02:09:59,960
Speaker 2: amazing to me. There are no records for these playing games.

2550
02:10:00,520 --> 02:10:03,960
Speaker 2: They're not listed as playoff games. If you're looking, if

2551
02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:07,920
Speaker 2: you're looking in an NBA record book, anything that happens

2552
02:10:07,960 --> 02:10:10,480
Speaker 2: those games, there's no record of it. Really, they're like

2553
02:10:10,600 --> 02:10:13,800
Speaker 2: exhibition games. They're not listed as they're not playoff games.

2554
02:10:14,360 --> 02:10:17,920
Speaker 2: So if you look at let's say Basketball Reference, right,

2555
02:10:18,400 --> 02:10:20,920
Speaker 2: and you're looking for so what were you what were

2556
02:10:20,960 --> 02:10:22,760
Speaker 2: your stats in the playing games? You're not going to

2557
02:10:22,800 --> 02:10:23,560
Speaker 2: find them anywhere.

2558
02:10:23,680 --> 02:10:26,320
Speaker 1: So then I have a follow up question. Yeah, those

2559
02:10:26,360 --> 02:10:29,040
Speaker 1: games that Lebron has playing, has played in the play

2560
02:10:29,080 --> 02:10:30,800
Speaker 1: in those points count towards his.

2561
02:10:30,920 --> 02:10:32,720
Speaker 4: Total or no, no, none of it.

2562
02:10:32,880 --> 02:10:35,840
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, obviously the forty thousands regular season only

2563
02:10:36,280 --> 02:10:39,240
Speaker 2: does not include his playoff but it's not playoff points

2564
02:10:39,280 --> 02:10:41,800
Speaker 2: and it's not regular season points. Yeah I didn't know that, Yeah,

2565
02:10:41,880 --> 02:10:45,040
Speaker 2: so they did. These are these playing games are weird,

2566
02:10:45,120 --> 02:10:49,000
Speaker 2: But you're staring at a real possibility that you're gonna

2567
02:10:49,000 --> 02:10:51,040
Speaker 2: have a nine to ten game between the Warriors and

2568
02:10:51,160 --> 02:10:54,000
Speaker 2: the Lakers. And by the way, unlike a couple of

2569
02:10:54,080 --> 02:10:56,200
Speaker 2: years ago when they played in the seven eight game.

2570
02:10:56,920 --> 02:11:00,480
Speaker 2: All right, so the seven team advances, the eighteen gets

2571
02:11:00,520 --> 02:11:03,280
Speaker 2: another chance, you know, to play the winner of the

2572
02:11:03,400 --> 02:11:05,840
Speaker 2: nine ten game. But in this case, if it's a

2573
02:11:05,960 --> 02:11:09,160
Speaker 2: nine to ten matchup, the loser goes home. Right, that's

2574
02:11:09,240 --> 02:11:11,600
Speaker 2: the last year're going to see of them. It's like

2575
02:11:11,680 --> 02:11:14,840
Speaker 2: your worst nightmare because the two biggest names in this

2576
02:11:15,040 --> 02:11:19,480
Speaker 2: league still are Lebron and Steph and they have one

2577
02:11:19,640 --> 02:11:23,880
Speaker 2: game where one of them goes home, and by the way,

2578
02:11:24,000 --> 02:11:25,680
Speaker 2: the winner of that game still has to win another

2579
02:11:25,720 --> 02:11:28,040
Speaker 2: game to get into the playoffs. Is not good for

2580
02:11:28,120 --> 02:11:30,000
Speaker 2: the league. So this, this is why I keep getting

2581
02:11:30,040 --> 02:11:32,760
Speaker 2: back to the idea, it's best for every sport to

2582
02:11:32,840 --> 02:11:36,480
Speaker 2: really have star teams, start players to really sort of

2583
02:11:36,600 --> 02:11:42,480
Speaker 2: hold attention. Otherwise you're just sort of scrambling every year

2584
02:11:43,240 --> 02:11:46,800
Speaker 2: to come up with something to hold that audience through

2585
02:11:46,880 --> 02:11:48,520
Speaker 2: the long duration of the playoffs.

2586
02:11:49,040 --> 02:11:52,000
Speaker 1: There are stars, There are stars throughout the entire league.

2587
02:11:52,240 --> 02:11:53,120
Speaker 1: That's not the problem.

2588
02:11:53,320 --> 02:11:55,560
Speaker 2: But are they must see stars? I mean, I'm not

2589
02:11:55,600 --> 02:11:59,200
Speaker 2: saying they're not great players. They're great players, but they're

2590
02:11:59,600 --> 02:12:01,640
Speaker 2: I'm so they're not Lebron, they're not stuff.

2591
02:12:01,800 --> 02:12:03,200
Speaker 1: So then are we are we going to do the

2592
02:12:03,240 --> 02:12:05,080
Speaker 1: same thing where we talk about the quarterbacks where it's

2593
02:12:05,120 --> 02:12:10,040
Speaker 1: like there's tears. Now now there is like super superstars.

2594
02:12:10,480 --> 02:12:12,520
Speaker 1: Then they're superstars, and then they're stars.

2595
02:12:12,800 --> 02:12:14,240
Speaker 2: Is Kevin Durant must watch?

2596
02:12:15,680 --> 02:12:19,800
Speaker 1: You know, he's his style of play even though he's

2597
02:12:19,840 --> 02:12:23,160
Speaker 1: a scorer. You're right, he's not as exciting to watch.

2598
02:12:24,040 --> 02:12:25,960
Speaker 1: I'd rather watch Luca to be honest with you.

2599
02:12:26,000 --> 02:12:29,480
Speaker 2: All right, So, but again, Donches suffers from the same

2600
02:12:29,560 --> 02:12:32,280
Speaker 2: faith that Dirk Novinsky had for many years in Dallas.

2601
02:12:32,400 --> 02:12:35,240
Speaker 2: Great player. But and then finally Dirk did get his

2602
02:12:35,400 --> 02:12:36,920
Speaker 2: championship obviously in Dallas.

2603
02:12:37,280 --> 02:12:37,840
Speaker 1: That's my boy.

2604
02:12:37,960 --> 02:12:39,760
Speaker 2: But was he must watch?

2605
02:12:39,960 --> 02:12:41,720
Speaker 1: He was for me, But I guess I was an outlier.

2606
02:12:41,880 --> 02:12:44,760
Speaker 1: I love Dirk, I see.

2607
02:12:45,320 --> 02:12:49,040
Speaker 2: I think Kawhi is close. Yeah when he's because of

2608
02:12:49,080 --> 02:12:55,040
Speaker 2: his track record in the postseason and he always, to me,

2609
02:12:56,080 --> 02:12:57,320
Speaker 2: passes the Eyeball taper.

2610
02:12:57,440 --> 02:12:59,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the best player on the court when he

2611
02:12:59,360 --> 02:12:59,680
Speaker 1: wants to.

2612
02:12:59,720 --> 02:13:02,400
Speaker 2: Be exactly Yeah, if he can stay on the court,

2613
02:13:04,400 --> 02:13:07,480
Speaker 2: Kawhi Leonard passes the Eyeball test from top to bottom.

2614
02:13:07,640 --> 02:13:09,040
Speaker 4: But he's got to be on the court. He doesn't

2615
02:13:09,120 --> 02:13:10,960
Speaker 4: and he hasn't been that way the last couple of years.

2616
02:13:11,080 --> 02:13:12,040
Speaker 1: He's been that this year though.

2617
02:13:12,200 --> 02:13:15,200
Speaker 2: Okay. Coming up on the other side, there is a

2618
02:13:15,240 --> 02:13:17,480
Speaker 2: big name in the NFL that is soon to be

2619
02:13:17,600 --> 02:13:21,400
Speaker 2: looking for a job. Is there a possible home we'll explain.

2620
02:13:21,560 --> 02:13:25,960
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2621
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02:13:28,720 --> 02:13:30,760
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2629
02:13:47,280 --> 02:13:51,800
Speaker 2: A little advice. You want to be popular, associate yourself

2630
02:13:51,840 --> 02:13:54,960
Speaker 2: with people that do things really well. It's been a

2631
02:13:55,040 --> 02:13:57,400
Speaker 2: secret of mine on radio for many, many years. It's

2632
02:13:57,400 --> 02:14:00,680
Speaker 2: also secret in my personal life with my asociation with

2633
02:14:00,840 --> 02:14:05,320
Speaker 2: my ex wife and her ability to bake things at

2634
02:14:05,360 --> 02:14:07,920
Speaker 2: an incredible level. We just had Bree walk in here,

2635
02:14:08,080 --> 02:14:10,160
Speaker 2: and she does such a great job on all of

2636
02:14:10,240 --> 02:14:13,520
Speaker 2: our shows. She now says the cookies that she made

2637
02:14:13,560 --> 02:14:16,520
Speaker 2: for you, Montci, you shared one with Brie is literally

2638
02:14:16,600 --> 02:14:19,320
Speaker 2: the greatest thing she's ever eaten in her life. Anything.

2639
02:14:19,680 --> 02:14:21,040
Speaker 1: No, I agree, I agree.

2640
02:14:21,200 --> 02:14:22,480
Speaker 2: And then she gave you what what do you?

2641
02:14:23,200 --> 02:14:23,480
Speaker 1: I don't.

2642
02:14:23,560 --> 02:14:23,920
Speaker 8: I don't know.

2643
02:14:25,360 --> 02:14:26,600
Speaker 2: She it's a toy.

2644
02:14:26,640 --> 02:14:29,280
Speaker 1: It's a toy that I'm trying to build. And I

2645
02:14:29,440 --> 02:14:33,560
Speaker 1: am just dumb as something because you are like I am.

2646
02:14:33,640 --> 02:14:35,920
Speaker 2: Mechanically. I would stare at this for days.

2647
02:14:36,000 --> 02:14:38,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's just two pieces. It's some some some

2648
02:14:38,880 --> 02:14:42,880
Speaker 1: ramp to launch something. She got this from a fast

2649
02:14:42,960 --> 02:14:45,560
Speaker 1: food joints and I don't.

2650
02:14:45,800 --> 02:14:47,640
Speaker 2: So you sort of hit the button that flies out.

2651
02:14:47,760 --> 02:14:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm supposed it's supposed to launch this, but I

2652
02:14:50,040 --> 02:14:51,040
Speaker 1: don't know how to launch.

2653
02:14:51,200 --> 02:14:53,160
Speaker 2: Well, I think you pressed down on the back right,

2654
02:14:53,440 --> 02:14:56,680
Speaker 2: Oh see what I say? Even I could figure that

2655
02:14:56,720 --> 02:15:01,240
Speaker 2: one out and see if can hit me. All right

2656
02:15:01,280 --> 02:15:02,280
Speaker 2: now on this thing here.

2657
02:15:03,960 --> 02:15:04,160
Speaker 5: It is.

2658
02:15:04,840 --> 02:15:07,360
Speaker 1: We are launching things, ladies. And John there you go,

2659
02:15:07,560 --> 02:15:09,839
Speaker 1: very good launching launching.

2660
02:15:11,040 --> 02:15:14,040
Speaker 2: So you could play with this toy all day long. Right, yes,

2661
02:15:16,440 --> 02:15:19,760
Speaker 2: now that you've figured it out. No, you can't put

2662
02:15:19,800 --> 02:15:23,640
Speaker 2: your can't put your hand in front of the launch area. Okay,

2663
02:15:24,200 --> 02:15:28,000
Speaker 2: if you got it clear, you want to like I.

2664
02:15:28,080 --> 02:15:33,280
Speaker 1: Wanted to balance and guys, we figured it out. We

2665
02:15:33,360 --> 02:15:34,040
Speaker 1: have figured it out.

2666
02:15:34,120 --> 02:15:35,600
Speaker 2: Thank you. We okay, thank you.

2667
02:15:36,160 --> 02:15:39,320
Speaker 1: Together together we figured it out. Okay.

2668
02:15:40,560 --> 02:15:43,080
Speaker 2: All right, let's figure out where the best destiny is

2669
02:15:43,160 --> 02:15:43,960
Speaker 2: for Russell Wilson.

2670
02:15:44,080 --> 02:15:45,720
Speaker 1: That's gonna be harder than this one.

2671
02:15:45,680 --> 02:15:49,800
Speaker 2: All right. So, Russell Wilson, we've been hearing from Martin

2672
02:15:49,880 --> 02:15:53,480
Speaker 2: throughout the updates that it is expected that the Broncos

2673
02:15:53,520 --> 02:15:56,040
Speaker 2: to cut their losses. By the way, they still have

2674
02:15:56,200 --> 02:16:00,840
Speaker 2: to eat an unbelievable amount of money on this Russell

2675
02:16:00,880 --> 02:16:04,920
Speaker 2: Wilson deal. But again, when your franchise is bought by

2676
02:16:04,960 --> 02:16:07,600
Speaker 2: the Walton family, which is the richest family in America.

2677
02:16:08,160 --> 02:16:10,280
Speaker 2: They're not going to quibble over a few million dollars

2678
02:16:10,320 --> 02:16:12,360
Speaker 2: here and there. It's not going to break the bank

2679
02:16:12,400 --> 02:16:15,320
Speaker 2: for them, so they can cut their losses. And you

2680
02:16:15,360 --> 02:16:17,440
Speaker 2: know the amount of money they paid to Sean Payton,

2681
02:16:17,520 --> 02:16:19,600
Speaker 2: the power they gave Sean Payton to become the coach

2682
02:16:19,680 --> 02:16:23,720
Speaker 2: of the Broncos. If he doesn't want Russell Wilson, fine, Now,

2683
02:16:23,760 --> 02:16:26,400
Speaker 2: if you look at Russell Wilson's numbers this past year,

2684
02:16:26,720 --> 02:16:30,800
Speaker 2: he had a good season statistically, twenty six touchdowns, eight picks,

2685
02:16:30,840 --> 02:16:33,600
Speaker 2: sixty six completion rate. He had a passer rating of

2686
02:16:33,680 --> 02:16:35,440
Speaker 2: almost one hundred this year. I mean it was a

2687
02:16:35,480 --> 02:16:39,959
Speaker 2: big bounce back year for Russell Wilson. Remember, their defense

2688
02:16:40,360 --> 02:16:43,879
Speaker 2: was historically bat early in the year, especially when they

2689
02:16:43,920 --> 02:16:46,480
Speaker 2: give up that seventy against the Miami Dolphins.

2690
02:16:46,520 --> 02:16:47,800
Speaker 1: If are never going to forget that one.

2691
02:16:47,959 --> 02:16:50,680
Speaker 2: So you know, in the end, their record had less

2692
02:16:50,800 --> 02:16:53,200
Speaker 2: to do about Russell Wilson, more to do about other

2693
02:16:53,320 --> 02:16:58,640
Speaker 2: factors for that team. Still, the impression I get from

2694
02:16:58,680 --> 02:17:03,040
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson, and look, he's had a great NFL career,

2695
02:17:03,240 --> 02:17:06,000
Speaker 2: no question. If you look at his first nine years

2696
02:17:06,040 --> 02:17:10,440
Speaker 2: in Seattle one, he started every game, starting with his

2697
02:17:10,640 --> 02:17:13,160
Speaker 2: first game as a rookie. For nine years, he started

2698
02:17:13,440 --> 02:17:19,200
Speaker 2: every single game. They had double digit victories eight of

2699
02:17:19,240 --> 02:17:21,280
Speaker 2: the nine years, and the other year they won nine games,

2700
02:17:21,400 --> 02:17:24,600
Speaker 2: so they didn't have a single losing year. His passer

2701
02:17:24,680 --> 02:17:27,400
Speaker 2: rating was consistently good. He was always seemingly in the

2702
02:17:27,480 --> 02:17:31,720
Speaker 2: conversation for postseason honors. And then his last year in

2703
02:17:31,800 --> 02:17:34,520
Speaker 2: Seattle there was a bit of a dip, and then

2704
02:17:34,560 --> 02:17:37,119
Speaker 2: he ends up in Denver, and of course two years

2705
02:17:37,160 --> 02:17:40,480
Speaker 2: ago was a disaster. This past year was shows an improvement.

2706
02:17:40,560 --> 02:17:45,520
Speaker 2: But I keep thinking, if you're bringing in Russell Wilson,

2707
02:17:46,560 --> 02:17:49,680
Speaker 2: fair or not. This is sort of the eyeball evaluation

2708
02:17:49,840 --> 02:17:55,360
Speaker 2: of him. He's a bit of a prima donna. I

2709
02:17:55,480 --> 02:17:59,879
Speaker 2: know he wants to come off as the consummate team guy.

2710
02:18:01,760 --> 02:18:06,720
Speaker 2: But even in his first year in Denver, a lot

2711
02:18:06,800 --> 02:18:09,600
Speaker 2: of people said, look, you bring in Nathaniel Hackett, a novice,

2712
02:18:09,640 --> 02:18:14,000
Speaker 2: as your head coach. Don't worry. You got Russell Wilson.

2713
02:18:14,120 --> 02:18:17,360
Speaker 2: He'll be in charge of that locker room. So whatever

2714
02:18:18,080 --> 02:18:20,120
Speaker 2: Hackett has to learn as a head coach to be

2715
02:18:20,240 --> 02:18:22,680
Speaker 2: the man in charge, you won't have to worry about that.

2716
02:18:22,720 --> 02:18:25,720
Speaker 2: Because you have a veteran quarterback to handle that, and

2717
02:18:26,560 --> 02:18:30,880
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson was exposed he was not that guy, which

2718
02:18:31,040 --> 02:18:34,280
Speaker 2: only made the situation with Hackett that much worse. Now,

2719
02:18:34,360 --> 02:18:36,320
Speaker 2: this would not be a problem with Sean Payton, because

2720
02:18:36,320 --> 02:18:38,800
Speaker 2: Sean Payton's going to assert authority on that locker room

2721
02:18:39,120 --> 02:18:43,480
Speaker 2: regardless of Russell Wilson's presence. But this would be a

2722
02:18:43,600 --> 02:18:47,840
Speaker 2: difficult decision to make if you think that he still

2723
02:18:47,879 --> 02:18:50,400
Speaker 2: has the physical tools to be an effective quarterback in

2724
02:18:50,480 --> 02:18:50,960
Speaker 2: this league.

2725
02:18:51,720 --> 02:18:53,800
Speaker 4: I think it's a big part of being a quarterback.

2726
02:18:54,520 --> 02:18:55,320
Speaker 4: Are you a leader?

2727
02:18:55,879 --> 02:18:59,240
Speaker 2: Can you go in that locker room and command respect

2728
02:18:59,320 --> 02:19:02,880
Speaker 2: from that team? And despite everything that he's accomplished in

2729
02:19:02,959 --> 02:19:05,600
Speaker 2: his career, I think the jury's out whether or not

2730
02:19:05,720 --> 02:19:08,359
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson is that type of quarterback.

2731
02:19:08,760 --> 02:19:10,760
Speaker 1: And I don't think he was that type of quarterback

2732
02:19:10,800 --> 02:19:14,560
Speaker 1: in Seattle. We just didn't know. Now we heard Marshaun

2733
02:19:14,640 --> 02:19:16,840
Speaker 1: Lynch say he couldn't get a hold of his own quarterback,

2734
02:19:16,879 --> 02:19:20,240
Speaker 1: that he had a fake number or a burner number, whatever.

2735
02:19:20,600 --> 02:19:22,600
Speaker 1: So I think he has never been that guy. We

2736
02:19:22,720 --> 02:19:25,200
Speaker 1: just didn't know. So, like you just said, expose that

2737
02:19:25,360 --> 02:19:28,440
Speaker 1: he cannot be that guy in the locker room. The

2738
02:19:28,520 --> 02:19:30,680
Speaker 1: one thing that goes from which is what you just said.

2739
02:19:30,720 --> 02:19:32,480
Speaker 1: Out of the last two years in Denver, last year

2740
02:19:32,480 --> 02:19:34,440
Speaker 1: he had died much better than the first year. So

2741
02:19:34,600 --> 02:19:37,040
Speaker 1: there is some sort of like hope you saw I

2742
02:19:37,280 --> 02:19:38,680
Speaker 1: saw it that. There was games where I was like,

2743
02:19:38,760 --> 02:19:41,360
Speaker 1: he still looks like he has something in him. Now

2744
02:19:41,560 --> 02:19:44,600
Speaker 1: if I'm a team, am I gonna make moves to

2745
02:19:44,720 --> 02:19:50,120
Speaker 1: go get Russell Wilson? Not necessarily, but as Adam Kaplan said,

2746
02:19:50,240 --> 02:19:53,879
Speaker 1: maybe he can be a bridge quarterback as you get

2747
02:19:54,000 --> 02:19:56,760
Speaker 1: a young guy to come in. I don't think Wilson

2748
02:19:56,879 --> 02:19:59,800
Speaker 1: is going to get what he wants like a long term.

2749
02:20:00,480 --> 02:20:02,560
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any team that would do that.

2750
02:20:02,760 --> 02:20:05,600
Speaker 1: I wouldn't unless you're I don't know, crazy.

2751
02:20:05,840 --> 02:20:07,680
Speaker 2: He still got a big number that comes with it.

2752
02:20:07,800 --> 02:20:12,720
Speaker 1: It does exactly exactly, but I feel that I there

2753
02:20:12,800 --> 02:20:14,680
Speaker 1: are teams that you could you could try him out

2754
02:20:14,720 --> 02:20:17,400
Speaker 1: for like a year or two years. Yeah.

2755
02:20:18,520 --> 02:20:20,640
Speaker 4: There were two quarterbacks that came in the draft the

2756
02:20:20,640 --> 02:20:21,040
Speaker 4: same year.

2757
02:20:21,080 --> 02:20:23,119
Speaker 2: They're both in the Hall of Fame, and they were

2758
02:20:24,240 --> 02:20:28,440
Speaker 2: two very different people, Dan Marino and John Elway. Dan

2759
02:20:28,600 --> 02:20:33,080
Speaker 2: Marino was the better quarterback statistically from day one. I mean,

2760
02:20:33,200 --> 02:20:36,600
Speaker 2: you looked at his numbers versus Elway. Marino's the guy,

2761
02:20:37,480 --> 02:20:41,680
Speaker 2: but Elway was winning more. And I remember, you know,

2762
02:20:42,040 --> 02:20:45,000
Speaker 2: obviously being part of that time, and I would ask

2763
02:20:45,280 --> 02:20:48,960
Speaker 2: why is that? They said, because they're very different people.

2764
02:20:50,600 --> 02:20:56,240
Speaker 2: Elway's one of the guys. Marino is not. He's just not.

2765
02:20:57,360 --> 02:21:03,160
Speaker 2: He's a great quarterback, but he doesn't get the same

2766
02:21:03,240 --> 02:21:05,560
Speaker 2: respect in the locker room that a guy like Elwood got,

2767
02:21:05,800 --> 02:21:09,120
Speaker 2: right even if he was a better passer than Elway was.

2768
02:21:09,600 --> 02:21:12,520
Speaker 2: And eventually that resulted with Elway winning a couple of

2769
02:21:12,560 --> 02:21:15,400
Speaker 2: Super Bowls and Marino never got to a super Bowl

2770
02:21:15,440 --> 02:21:18,000
Speaker 2: after his second season in the NFL. So I just

2771
02:21:18,120 --> 02:21:21,039
Speaker 2: wonder that whole thing about, like you say, if you're

2772
02:21:21,040 --> 02:21:23,000
Speaker 2: going to sign on Russell Wilson, what.

2773
02:21:23,400 --> 02:21:26,600
Speaker 4: Exactly are you looking for? What do you expect to

2774
02:21:26,720 --> 02:21:27,680
Speaker 4: get out of this guy?

2775
02:21:28,640 --> 02:21:32,680
Speaker 1: You expect to get a season where you can build

2776
02:21:32,760 --> 02:21:37,240
Speaker 1: upon your other weapons, get somebody with experience, like I

2777
02:21:37,360 --> 02:21:40,199
Speaker 1: know we keep putting, you know, justin fields with Atlanta,

2778
02:21:40,400 --> 02:21:42,880
Speaker 1: but I feel like Russell Wilson can go into Atlanta

2779
02:21:43,360 --> 02:21:47,120
Speaker 1: and make Drake London better, help be Jeon Robinson get better.

2780
02:21:47,240 --> 02:21:51,040
Speaker 1: I really feel that is he your long term quarterback. No,

2781
02:21:51,560 --> 02:21:54,800
Speaker 1: but I do think he can help a team get

2782
02:21:55,120 --> 02:21:56,600
Speaker 1: the weapons you know better.

2783
02:21:57,000 --> 02:21:59,320
Speaker 2: And by the way, earlier when I was talking about

2784
02:21:59,520 --> 02:22:04,520
Speaker 2: quarterback currently starting in the NFL, who are Super Bowl

2785
02:22:04,680 --> 02:22:08,199
Speaker 2: champions and I mentioned outside of Mahomes, you got Aaron Rodgers,

2786
02:22:08,280 --> 02:22:10,720
Speaker 2: you have Matthew Stafford, And people were probably screaming, what

2787
02:22:10,800 --> 02:22:14,480
Speaker 2: about Russell Wilson. He wasn't starting at the end of

2788
02:22:14,520 --> 02:22:20,320
Speaker 2: the year. He was already benched. So he's not right now,

2789
02:22:20,440 --> 02:22:23,480
Speaker 2: he's not a starting quarterback in the NFL. Now he

2790
02:22:23,760 --> 02:22:27,480
Speaker 2: may well be, but in the moment he not.

2791
02:22:27,840 --> 02:22:31,360
Speaker 1: He was benched though, in a weird situation.

2792
02:22:31,560 --> 02:22:34,000
Speaker 2: But it was a weird situation based on his resume

2793
02:22:34,160 --> 02:22:36,560
Speaker 2: and what he had actually done this season, right, But

2794
02:22:36,680 --> 02:22:38,039
Speaker 2: a decision had been made.

2795
02:22:38,120 --> 02:22:41,160
Speaker 1: Right, It had nothing to do with his performance. Like

2796
02:22:41,280 --> 02:22:43,080
Speaker 1: you said, they had just beat the Chiefs and they

2797
02:22:43,120 --> 02:22:44,920
Speaker 1: were like, we're gonna bench you. So it was a

2798
02:22:44,959 --> 02:22:51,560
Speaker 1: weird situation. I The other problem for him this year

2799
02:22:51,800 --> 02:22:54,640
Speaker 1: is that there's so many potential quarterbacks in this draft.

2800
02:22:55,200 --> 02:22:58,480
Speaker 1: That's not helping his situation in any way, shape or form.

2801
02:22:58,680 --> 02:23:00,240
Speaker 2: But yeah, well we have that every year year in

2802
02:23:00,280 --> 02:23:00,760
Speaker 2: the draft.

2803
02:23:00,920 --> 02:23:03,400
Speaker 1: I feel like, no, not this every year.

2804
02:23:03,800 --> 02:23:06,240
Speaker 2: You remember last year's draft, we were sitting here. It

2805
02:23:06,360 --> 02:23:08,760
Speaker 2: was obvious, pretty obvious to everyone in the Carolina was

2806
02:23:08,800 --> 02:23:11,320
Speaker 2: going to take Bryce Young number two, but Houston number

2807
02:23:11,360 --> 02:23:14,040
Speaker 2: two Will Levis. Remember Will Levis showed up with his

2808
02:23:14,200 --> 02:23:16,480
Speaker 2: eye candy at the draft. Yeah, there were all this

2809
02:23:16,640 --> 02:23:21,760
Speaker 2: buzz Will levis Is stock is skyrocketing. CJ. Stroud stock

2810
02:23:21,920 --> 02:23:24,560
Speaker 2: is plummeting. Houston's gonna take Will Levis.

2811
02:23:25,520 --> 02:23:26,160
Speaker 1: That didn't happen.

2812
02:23:26,480 --> 02:23:29,000
Speaker 4: They took the right guy, obviously, Yeah, CJ.

2813
02:23:29,200 --> 02:23:33,280
Speaker 2: Stroud. So there's a lot of smoke screens, you know.

2814
02:23:33,840 --> 02:23:37,640
Speaker 2: Right now the latest have both Pennix and Nix not

2815
02:23:37,800 --> 02:23:40,640
Speaker 2: even going in the first round. That after the top

2816
02:23:40,720 --> 02:23:44,280
Speaker 2: three quarterbacks, So after Kayleb Williams and Drake May and

2817
02:23:44,400 --> 02:23:51,040
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels, JJ McCarthy, there's a big yeah JJ McCarthy, Yeah, yeah,

2818
02:23:51,200 --> 02:23:54,240
Speaker 2: you know, I mean this, JJ McCarthy just stand out

2819
02:23:54,280 --> 02:23:58,120
Speaker 2: as a better prospect than Michael Pennox Junior or Bo Nix.

2820
02:23:58,600 --> 02:23:58,720
Speaker 3: Uh.

2821
02:23:59,000 --> 02:24:01,760
Speaker 1: You know that's hard because he does come from winning

2822
02:24:01,800 --> 02:24:02,200
Speaker 1: a Natty.

2823
02:24:02,560 --> 02:24:03,080
Speaker 2: Yeah he does.

2824
02:24:03,440 --> 02:24:05,160
Speaker 4: So how much weight does well?

2825
02:24:05,200 --> 02:24:06,920
Speaker 2: So Stetson Bennett went back to back.

2826
02:24:06,920 --> 02:24:11,959
Speaker 1: National champions that yeah, yeah, right now, I see.

2827
02:24:11,879 --> 02:24:15,760
Speaker 2: Completely a wall we think so heard about. Let's find

2828
02:24:15,800 --> 02:24:17,920
Speaker 2: out what's trending right now. Perhaps he can lend Do

2829
02:24:18,000 --> 02:24:21,400
Speaker 2: we have a Stetson Bennett update for this? He's twenty

2830
02:24:21,480 --> 02:24:24,560
Speaker 2: seven years old, that's the update again, he was twenty six.

2831
02:24:24,800 --> 02:24:26,800
Speaker 2: I was like twenty five his last year in college.

2832
02:24:27,760 --> 02:24:30,160
Speaker 8: My personal belief in this is if you can rent

2833
02:24:30,200 --> 02:24:33,240
Speaker 8: the car without having to extra fees after you turn

2834
02:24:33,360 --> 02:24:36,320
Speaker 8: twenty five, your eligibility's up.

2835
02:24:36,480 --> 02:24:36,680
Speaker 5: Well.

2836
02:24:36,959 --> 02:24:40,600
Speaker 2: And as we were talking earlier with Adam Kappan about this,

2837
02:24:40,920 --> 02:24:43,520
Speaker 2: when you're when you suddenly talking about quarterbacks that have

2838
02:24:43,640 --> 02:24:46,520
Speaker 2: five to six or more years at the collegiate level

2839
02:24:47,240 --> 02:24:50,920
Speaker 2: and they've played well, have they hit their ceiling exact?

2840
02:24:50,959 --> 02:24:54,880
Speaker 2: Because you that's the biggest challenge for every NFL scout,

2841
02:24:55,000 --> 02:24:59,240
Speaker 2: every NFL general manager, every NFL coach in looking at

2842
02:24:59,280 --> 02:25:02,920
Speaker 2: the draft is what is their ceiling? Where are they

2843
02:25:03,040 --> 02:25:05,680
Speaker 2: going to get once they get to the NFL? And

2844
02:25:06,000 --> 02:25:07,879
Speaker 2: I may be able to interest you in this, all right.

2845
02:25:07,920 --> 02:25:09,680
Speaker 2: You know you've been talking a lot about Penix, talking

2846
02:25:09,720 --> 02:25:10,480
Speaker 2: a lot about Nicks.

2847
02:25:10,600 --> 02:25:13,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, there's another transfer quarterback that I feel like no

2848
02:25:13,480 --> 02:25:17,119
Speaker 8: one is talking about. And he's been the meet this offseason.

2849
02:25:17,160 --> 02:25:20,200
Speaker 8: The most impressive through the Senior Bowl in the combine.

2850
02:25:20,440 --> 02:25:24,000
Speaker 8: Spencer Radler. Yeah, Spencer Radler. And you know, Cliff Kingsbury's

2851
02:25:24,000 --> 02:25:26,280
Speaker 8: got an eye for him. He generally's got a pretty

2852
02:25:26,320 --> 02:25:28,640
Speaker 8: good eye for quarterbacks. And I think Spencer Radler, you know,

2853
02:25:29,360 --> 02:25:31,360
Speaker 8: he'll probably be a second or third round pick, but

2854
02:25:31,440 --> 02:25:32,640
Speaker 8: I think he could step in.

2855
02:25:32,720 --> 02:25:34,560
Speaker 2: And be a good player. Yeah, I mean, you know,

2856
02:25:34,640 --> 02:25:37,320
Speaker 2: the whole situation with him and Caleb Williams. Remember you

2857
02:25:37,320 --> 02:25:39,720
Speaker 2: remember the great thing about Radley He got those nil

2858
02:25:39,879 --> 02:25:42,360
Speaker 2: deals immediately. I remember that it was an ad with

2859
02:25:42,520 --> 02:25:46,119
Speaker 2: him with two different cars, like and by the middle

2860
02:25:46,120 --> 02:25:48,840
Speaker 2: of the season the guy had been benched for the

2861
02:25:48,920 --> 02:25:51,840
Speaker 2: freshman Caleb Williams. I thought you were gonna mention Sam Hartman.

2862
02:25:52,640 --> 02:25:54,400
Speaker 2: Sam Hartman in the mixed still or is he got

2863
02:25:54,520 --> 02:25:55,440
Speaker 2: more eligibility?

2864
02:25:55,560 --> 02:25:59,360
Speaker 8: Like Sam Hartman gives me like ten year backup vibes,

2865
02:26:00,240 --> 02:26:04,400
Speaker 8: you know, like like a good Ryan Fitzpatrick, Salid Charlie Whitehurst.

2866
02:26:04,560 --> 02:26:06,320
Speaker 2: You know, it kind of looks like Charlie with the hair,

2867
02:26:06,520 --> 02:26:08,959
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, outside of being a star quarterback,

2868
02:26:09,040 --> 02:26:12,040
Speaker 2: what's a better situation than being a perennial backup? Honestly,

2869
02:26:12,200 --> 02:26:15,080
Speaker 2: Like forever, I don't think there is one. I mean,

2870
02:26:15,160 --> 02:26:17,200
Speaker 2: you just sit there with a clipboard and you got

2871
02:26:17,280 --> 02:26:20,080
Speaker 2: a cap on during the game and scribble a few

2872
02:26:20,160 --> 02:26:21,680
Speaker 2: things down and come back and do it a year

2873
02:26:21,720 --> 02:26:23,600
Speaker 2: after year and make some pretty decent money.

2874
02:26:23,879 --> 02:26:25,640
Speaker 8: I mean, you had Chase Daniel right, he was back

2875
02:26:25,680 --> 02:26:28,120
Speaker 8: a quarterback Danny for the Charges forever.

2876
02:26:28,240 --> 02:26:28,520
Speaker 9: He was.

2877
02:26:30,000 --> 02:26:30,840
Speaker 2: So much free time.

2878
02:26:30,920 --> 02:26:34,920
Speaker 8: He can walk across the street to NFL Network and

2879
02:26:35,000 --> 02:26:36,320
Speaker 8: start doing postgame shows.

2880
02:26:36,440 --> 02:26:39,120
Speaker 2: Ty denmar did it for fourteen years in the NFL.

2881
02:26:39,400 --> 02:26:42,720
Speaker 2: The Heisman Trophy went ib wait, fourteen years in the NFL.

2882
02:26:43,120 --> 02:26:44,920
Speaker 8: It's good work if you can get it. Man, tell

2883
02:26:45,080 --> 02:26:48,320
Speaker 8: us Wilson that, hey, you know, but I don't know

2884
02:26:48,600 --> 02:26:50,880
Speaker 8: if I don't know if the aligns with Russell Wilson's like,

2885
02:26:51,840 --> 02:26:54,200
Speaker 8: I'm looking at him right now. I'm telling you, dude,

2886
02:26:54,280 --> 02:26:55,800
Speaker 8: this kid can spin it all right.

2887
02:26:55,879 --> 02:26:56,880
Speaker 2: And I look, I know that.

2888
02:26:57,040 --> 02:26:59,359
Speaker 8: You know, people have all their opinions in South Carolina

2889
02:26:59,480 --> 02:27:02,800
Speaker 8: stunk out last year, But you know, my time slode

2890
02:27:02,920 --> 02:27:05,640
Speaker 8: normally Saturdays four to seven, five to eight Pacific time.

2891
02:27:05,680 --> 02:27:07,560
Speaker 8: I'm ended up watching a lot of these South Carolina

2892
02:27:07,600 --> 02:27:08,760
Speaker 8: games because there's nothing else on it.

2893
02:27:09,120 --> 02:27:11,680
Speaker 2: And he had no offensive line, no like it was all.

2894
02:27:11,800 --> 02:27:14,120
Speaker 2: It was ugly, but he never complained. He kept his

2895
02:27:14,200 --> 02:27:16,240
Speaker 2: head up and he just look. I look forward to

2896
02:27:16,959 --> 02:27:20,039
Speaker 2: call right now, Spencer Ratler will emerge as the biggest

2897
02:27:20,080 --> 02:27:22,200
Speaker 2: surprise quarterback pick in this year's draft.

2898
02:27:22,240 --> 02:27:24,480
Speaker 8: I'd have him as my QB four rating right now,

2899
02:27:24,600 --> 02:27:28,880
Speaker 8: behind UH, maybe even three behind UH, behind Caleb Williams

2900
02:27:28,959 --> 02:27:30,360
Speaker 8: number one and Jaden Daniels number two.

2901
02:27:30,400 --> 02:27:32,959
Speaker 4: You're dropping Drake May. Have you seen Drake May play?

2902
02:27:33,120 --> 02:27:36,280
Speaker 2: Yes, I've seen Drake May, see them all. Because he

2903
02:27:36,680 --> 02:27:39,880
Speaker 2: went to North Carolina. You just think he's another Mitchell Trubisky. No,

2904
02:27:39,959 --> 02:27:42,200
Speaker 2: I'm not even doing all of that. It's just just not.

2905
02:27:42,520 --> 02:27:45,360
Speaker 2: Drake May is a better quarterback than Trubisky. A lot

2906
02:27:45,440 --> 02:27:48,640
Speaker 2: of guys are, you know. And that was the second pick.

2907
02:27:48,760 --> 02:27:50,480
Speaker 2: By the way, Trubisky had a winning record as the

2908
02:27:50,520 --> 02:27:52,800
Speaker 2: starting quarterback with the Bears. He had a twelve win season.

2909
02:27:53,080 --> 02:27:55,400
Speaker 2: Why did they dump him? He had a twelve win

2910
02:27:55,520 --> 02:27:58,360
Speaker 2: season with the Bears, Steve because they watched him play.

2911
02:27:59,720 --> 02:28:01,760
Speaker 2: That's they were fine. There was nothing wrong with him.

2912
02:28:01,800 --> 02:28:05,360
Speaker 2: He won way more games than he lost. Yeah, I

2913
02:28:05,720 --> 02:28:08,280
Speaker 2: couldn't do how the Bear has been since Trubisky the

2914
02:28:08,520 --> 02:28:11,360
Speaker 2: same They were with him. No, they're not not even close.

2915
02:28:11,720 --> 02:28:16,040
Speaker 2: Look up Trubisky's numbers. He was a winning quarterback.

2916
02:28:17,040 --> 02:28:17,240
Speaker 3: You know.

2917
02:28:17,520 --> 02:28:19,440
Speaker 8: I wonder if the Steelers would have had a better

2918
02:28:19,480 --> 02:28:21,640
Speaker 8: position that they had have moved on from miss Trubisky

2919
02:28:21,680 --> 02:28:23,680
Speaker 8: and just went straight to Mason Rudolph.

2920
02:28:23,760 --> 02:28:25,720
Speaker 2: I thought Trubisky wouldn't come into the Steelers. Who was

2921
02:28:25,720 --> 02:28:27,360
Speaker 2: going to get the job. Why it didn't work, I'm

2922
02:28:27,400 --> 02:28:29,720
Speaker 2: not sure, but it didn't anyway.

2923
02:28:30,440 --> 02:28:33,959
Speaker 8: Speaking of Russell Wilson, the Athletic is reporting he's likely

2924
02:28:34,040 --> 02:28:35,960
Speaker 8: to be cut as soon as next week and we'll

2925
02:28:35,959 --> 02:28:38,280
Speaker 8: be looking for a new home. Another guy looking for

2926
02:28:38,320 --> 02:28:41,400
Speaker 8: a new home Tyron Smith, the thirteen year veteran left tackle.

2927
02:28:41,400 --> 02:28:43,520
Speaker 8: He's unlikely to resign with the Cowboys. He and Jerry

2928
02:28:43,600 --> 02:28:46,240
Speaker 8: Jones could not agree on a new deal. Smith in

2929
02:28:46,280 --> 02:28:49,040
Speaker 8: eight time Pro Bowler Why receiver Mike Evans expected to

2930
02:28:49,080 --> 02:28:51,240
Speaker 8: test free agency, with report saying he wants to play

2931
02:28:51,320 --> 02:28:54,600
Speaker 8: with an elite quarterback, compete for a Super Bowl, and

2932
02:28:54,879 --> 02:28:56,920
Speaker 8: be paid like a top wide out, but not ruling

2933
02:28:56,959 --> 02:28:59,840
Speaker 8: out a return to Tampa Bay. Former Chargers head coach

2934
02:29:00,040 --> 02:29:02,080
Speaker 8: and this Daily will join the San Francisco forty nine

2935
02:29:02,120 --> 02:29:04,560
Speaker 8: ers as assistant head coach forty nine ers, also promoting

2936
02:29:04,640 --> 02:29:08,080
Speaker 8: defensive passing game specialist Nick Sorenson as the new defensive

2937
02:29:08,120 --> 02:29:12,440
Speaker 8: coordinator again afore mentioned Jayden Daniels, he and Malik Neighbors wide.

2938
02:29:12,280 --> 02:29:13,039
Speaker 2: Receiver for LSU.

2939
02:29:13,200 --> 02:29:16,400
Speaker 8: They did not participate in the measurements portion of the combine,

2940
02:29:16,640 --> 02:29:18,600
Speaker 8: saying they would do so at their pro day March

2941
02:29:18,640 --> 02:29:21,840
Speaker 8: twenty seventh, and Baton Rouge twenty twelve. Heisman Trophy winner

2942
02:29:21,879 --> 02:29:25,000
Speaker 8: Johnny Manziel says he will boycott the annual Heisman Trophy

2943
02:29:25,080 --> 02:29:28,320
Speaker 8: ceremony until two thousand and five winners from USC Reggie

2944
02:29:28,360 --> 02:29:32,160
Speaker 8: Bush gets his Heisman Trophy back in the NBA point

2945
02:29:32,200 --> 02:29:34,480
Speaker 8: guard Shake, Milton expected to join the New York Knicks

2946
02:29:34,520 --> 02:29:37,320
Speaker 8: after being bought out by the Detroit Pistons earlier this week.

2947
02:29:37,640 --> 02:29:39,840
Speaker 8: The Nets beat the Hawks one fourteen to one h two.

2948
02:29:39,920 --> 02:29:42,800
Speaker 8: Michel Bridges had thirty eight points. The Heat beat the

2949
02:29:42,920 --> 02:29:46,480
Speaker 8: Jazz one twenty six to one twenty Mister fallout boy himself,

2950
02:29:46,560 --> 02:29:49,920
Speaker 8: Jimmy Butler, had thirty seven in that one. In college basketball,

2951
02:29:50,000 --> 02:29:53,400
Speaker 8: we had wins for Baylor, South Carolina, Kentucky, Creighton, Iowa State,

2952
02:29:53,440 --> 02:29:55,959
Speaker 8: and North Carolina. And right now Duke has a sixty

2953
02:29:56,040 --> 02:29:58,840
Speaker 8: five to thirty nine lead with eight point fifty left

2954
02:29:58,920 --> 02:30:01,040
Speaker 8: in the second half against Virginia.

2955
02:30:01,320 --> 02:30:02,960
Speaker 2: Steve monts it back to you guys, all right, just

2956
02:30:03,040 --> 02:30:05,800
Speaker 2: to get in his four years of the Bears. Take

2957
02:30:05,840 --> 02:30:08,040
Speaker 2: his rookie year out right. His last three years with

2958
02:30:08,080 --> 02:30:10,960
Speaker 2: the Bears, Mitchell Trubisky's record as a starting quarterback was

2959
02:30:11,000 --> 02:30:15,600
Speaker 2: twenty five and thirteen, twenty five and thirteen with the Bears,

2960
02:30:15,760 --> 02:30:17,720
Speaker 2: and they couldn't wait to move on, and they.

2961
02:30:19,200 --> 02:30:21,760
Speaker 4: They haven't sniffed that kind of record since.

2962
02:30:22,440 --> 02:30:26,040
Speaker 2: And he had fifty seven touchdowns and thirty picks, so

2963
02:30:26,160 --> 02:30:28,920
Speaker 2: two to one ratio there, completing sixty five percent of

2964
02:30:29,000 --> 02:30:32,560
Speaker 2: his passes over those three years, twenty five and thirteen

2965
02:30:33,200 --> 02:30:35,520
Speaker 2: as the starting quarterback of the Bears those last three years.

2966
02:30:36,040 --> 02:30:37,320
Speaker 2: It's a good win laws thirteen.

2967
02:30:37,800 --> 02:30:40,480
Speaker 4: That's a good win loss record, especially for the Bears.

2968
02:30:40,720 --> 02:30:41,959
Speaker 2: I'd say, so, you.

2969
02:30:42,000 --> 02:30:44,680
Speaker 4: Know, but you you want to lump him with Drake May.

2970
02:30:44,920 --> 02:30:48,199
Speaker 4: Obviously you know Drake May, and you know, don't.

2971
02:30:48,040 --> 02:30:48,960
Speaker 2: Give up on Drake May.

2972
02:30:49,120 --> 02:30:51,840
Speaker 8: This was pro specially Rattler, and you have twisted me

2973
02:30:52,000 --> 02:30:53,199
Speaker 8: into being anti Drake.

2974
02:30:53,560 --> 02:30:57,240
Speaker 2: You were the one that elevated Rattler over Drake May

2975
02:30:57,400 --> 02:31:00,640
Speaker 2: I think you can play. That's my take, and I'm

2976
02:31:00,640 --> 02:31:03,920
Speaker 2: sticking to it, all right, that's right. I don't know.

2977
02:31:04,040 --> 02:31:06,160
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to keep it, keep it straight here,

2978
02:31:06,320 --> 02:31:08,960
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, Trubisky, to me is one of the

2979
02:31:09,040 --> 02:31:11,960
Speaker 2: great mysteries that no one ever talks about normally, a

2980
02:31:12,080 --> 02:31:16,080
Speaker 2: quarterback who joined a bad team, the Bears second overall pick.

2981
02:31:16,240 --> 02:31:18,480
Speaker 2: Of course, it was the same draft that would eventually

2982
02:31:18,560 --> 02:31:21,880
Speaker 2: have Mahomes in it. But he was twenty five and

2983
02:31:22,040 --> 02:31:25,560
Speaker 2: thirteen his last three years as the Bears starting quarterback.

2984
02:31:26,120 --> 02:31:28,640
Speaker 2: That's a pretty good record, and they dumped him and

2985
02:31:28,879 --> 02:31:32,280
Speaker 2: we've never seen Trubisky since. Remember he was on the

2986
02:31:32,320 --> 02:31:34,240
Speaker 2: bench for Buffalo for a year. Goes the same thing

2987
02:31:34,320 --> 02:31:35,640
Speaker 2: that happened in Pittsburgh. I don't know.

2988
02:31:36,520 --> 02:31:39,280
Speaker 4: This is why again, when we try to.

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02:31:39,400 --> 02:31:44,560
Speaker 2: Sit here and evaluate quarterback talent, so much of it

2990
02:31:44,760 --> 02:31:46,760
Speaker 2: just has to do with the organization to go to.

2991
02:31:47,840 --> 02:31:50,320
Speaker 2: Like if I'm Jaye and Daniels and I end up

2992
02:31:50,320 --> 02:31:57,880
Speaker 2: in New England, you're not well, let me ask you this,

2993
02:31:57,959 --> 02:32:01,160
Speaker 2: because Bill Belichick, if you're a mean that Caleb Williams

2994
02:32:01,200 --> 02:32:04,080
Speaker 2: goes number one to the Bears. All right, So the

2995
02:32:04,160 --> 02:32:06,240
Speaker 2: next two picks. Have got the Commanders and the Patriots,

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02:32:06,280 --> 02:32:10,119
Speaker 2: and they both need a quarterback. And you're Jaden Daniels

2997
02:32:10,160 --> 02:32:13,560
Speaker 2: and Drake May, so one of you is going to

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02:32:13,600 --> 02:32:16,080
Speaker 2: be with the Commanders and the other guy is going

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Speaker 2: to end up with the Patriots. Which one of those

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02:32:18,440 --> 02:32:23,760
Speaker 2: two teams? If you're Jaden Daniels or Drake May, would

3001
02:32:23,800 --> 02:32:27,560
Speaker 2: you want to play for the Commanders or the Belichick

3002
02:32:27,800 --> 02:32:29,080
Speaker 2: lists Patriots?

3003
02:32:29,080 --> 02:32:31,720
Speaker 1: You know that's hard because you're you're picking between a

3004
02:32:33,440 --> 02:32:40,680
Speaker 1: winning historic franchise. Do we franchise that basically is starting over?

3005
02:32:41,240 --> 02:32:43,800
Speaker 2: Correct? But isn't the aren't the Patriots starting over?

3006
02:32:43,920 --> 02:32:47,160
Speaker 1: Yeah? But the history is fresh, It's not like it's

3007
02:32:47,240 --> 02:32:47,879
Speaker 1: thirty years ago.

3008
02:32:48,160 --> 02:32:51,360
Speaker 2: Formerly known Redskins used to have history until Daniel Snyder

3009
02:32:51,440 --> 02:32:52,240
Speaker 2: showed up exactly.

3010
02:32:52,320 --> 02:32:55,920
Speaker 1: The recent history with the Commanders leaves a bad taste

3011
02:32:55,959 --> 02:32:59,160
Speaker 1: in your mouth because of that, I think with the Patriots,

3012
02:32:59,200 --> 02:33:01,280
Speaker 1: there's no, you don't have a bad taste. It's like, yeah,

3013
02:33:01,400 --> 02:33:03,720
Speaker 1: you lost Tom Brady and you lost Bill Belichick, but

3014
02:33:03,800 --> 02:33:06,480
Speaker 1: the history is still it's recent, it's still positive.

3015
02:33:06,480 --> 02:33:10,600
Speaker 2: Well, wouldn't that be a negative though? Because ultimately everyone

3016
02:33:10,680 --> 02:33:13,080
Speaker 2: that follows Tom Brady this is the same thing happened

3017
02:33:13,080 --> 02:33:17,960
Speaker 2: to UCLA basketball. So it didn't matter how many coaches

3018
02:33:18,640 --> 02:33:22,840
Speaker 2: showed up for the basketball team, you weren't compared to

3019
02:33:22,920 --> 02:33:23,800
Speaker 2: your predecessor.

3020
02:33:23,920 --> 02:33:25,640
Speaker 4: You're always compared to John Wooden.

3021
02:33:26,080 --> 02:33:30,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could be the tenth coach after Wooden, twenty

3022
02:33:30,320 --> 02:33:33,199
Speaker 2: years after he last coached, and you're still being compared

3023
02:33:33,240 --> 02:33:37,240
Speaker 2: to him forever. Every quarterback is going to be compared

3024
02:33:37,240 --> 02:33:39,680
Speaker 2: to Brady, and every coach is going to be compared

3025
02:33:39,720 --> 02:33:40,279
Speaker 2: to Belichick.

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Speaker 1: But before you even said that, I was gonna say,

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02:33:41,840 --> 02:33:45,160
Speaker 1: I think I would rather go to Washington, right. I

3028
02:33:45,240 --> 02:33:49,120
Speaker 1: think that's what I would prefer, which is weird to say, But.

3029
02:33:49,400 --> 02:33:52,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think it's a good sta situation for

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02:33:52,520 --> 02:33:52,920
Speaker 4: either one.

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02:33:53,080 --> 02:33:54,560
Speaker 1: I agree, but I'm looking at it as like a

3032
02:33:54,640 --> 02:33:59,800
Speaker 1: fresh sleep. Yeah, like new ownership, new coach. The fans

3033
02:34:00,240 --> 02:34:03,400
Speaker 1: want success. I feel like you're coming into a situation

3034
02:34:03,760 --> 02:34:07,080
Speaker 1: where everybody is arms wide open, you know, like we're

3035
02:34:07,120 --> 02:34:09,360
Speaker 1: going to just start over. Now that the Patriots don't

3036
02:34:09,360 --> 02:34:11,360
Speaker 1: want the success. Of course they do, that's all they know.

3037
02:34:11,520 --> 02:34:13,920
Speaker 1: The fans want that, but it is the expectation is

3038
02:34:13,920 --> 02:34:14,480
Speaker 1: a little different.

3039
02:34:15,120 --> 02:34:18,400
Speaker 2: Well, the badness for Caleb Williams and I know Jim

3040
02:34:18,440 --> 02:34:21,160
Speaker 2: McMahon got a lot of you know, hype when they

3041
02:34:21,200 --> 02:34:23,000
Speaker 2: won the Super Bowl in eighty five, but he was

3042
02:34:23,080 --> 02:34:26,560
Speaker 2: hurt most of his career. The greatest quarterback in Bears

3043
02:34:26,680 --> 02:34:31,280
Speaker 2: history by far in terms of numbers and championships is

3044
02:34:31,320 --> 02:34:34,359
Speaker 2: Sid Luckman, who played in the nineteen forties.

3045
02:34:34,640 --> 02:34:34,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

3046
02:34:34,879 --> 02:34:38,480
Speaker 4: No, it is a graveyard for quarterbacks.

3047
02:34:38,879 --> 02:34:39,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

3048
02:34:39,760 --> 02:34:40,880
Speaker 1: Never heard that name in my life.

3049
02:34:40,920 --> 02:34:41,080
Speaker 9: I know.

3050
02:34:41,200 --> 02:34:42,920
Speaker 2: Well, now you have all right coming up on the

3051
02:34:43,000 --> 02:34:45,120
Speaker 2: other side. What to look forward to this week in

3052
02:34:45,200 --> 02:34:50,640
Speaker 2: the sports agenda? This is Fox Sports Saturday Steve Harban

3053
02:34:50,800 --> 02:34:53,680
Speaker 2: and Montzie Belgios Here Fox Sports Saturday Live from the

3054
02:34:53,760 --> 02:34:56,720
Speaker 2: tai Iraq dot Com studios. Want to thank the crew today,

3055
02:34:56,800 --> 02:35:01,720
Speaker 2: Martin now getting ready for his show vj uh. He

3056
02:35:02,000 --> 02:35:04,840
Speaker 2: steps out of the update room and heads into the studio.

3057
02:35:05,000 --> 02:35:09,920
Speaker 2: Here our brilliant producer Patrick doing a great job as always. Patrick.

3058
02:35:09,959 --> 02:35:12,160
Speaker 4: Did you have a chance to sample little of the cookie?

3059
02:35:12,360 --> 02:35:16,000
Speaker 4: Did Moncey share with you? She did share and it

3060
02:35:16,120 --> 02:35:18,440
Speaker 4: was amazing, by the way, Thank you again, Moncey.

3061
02:35:19,040 --> 02:35:19,680
Speaker 1: Thank Denise.

3062
02:35:20,000 --> 02:35:24,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you Denise. As I say, my stature grows

3063
02:35:24,200 --> 02:35:27,320
Speaker 2: by those I associate with. That's always the key for me.

3064
02:35:27,879 --> 02:35:30,840
Speaker 2: Uh I see Mary Mac there, Mary are you? Are

3065
02:35:30,879 --> 02:35:32,320
Speaker 2: you the Mary Mack is here again?

3066
02:35:32,720 --> 02:35:33,080
Speaker 3: Yo? Yo?

3067
02:35:33,400 --> 02:35:33,880
Speaker 2: How are you?

3068
02:35:34,160 --> 02:35:34,720
Speaker 1: I'm doing good?

3069
02:35:34,760 --> 02:35:36,160
Speaker 2: Hard? Did you get to share it all the time?

3070
02:35:36,200 --> 02:35:38,160
Speaker 2: I didn't even I didn't even get a I wasn't

3071
02:35:38,200 --> 02:35:38,920
Speaker 2: offered nothing.

3072
02:35:39,040 --> 02:35:40,640
Speaker 1: Well, you weren't here when I went around.

3073
02:35:41,160 --> 02:35:41,640
Speaker 2: That's why.

3074
02:35:43,240 --> 02:35:46,280
Speaker 1: I knows the fact you were not here.

3075
02:35:46,600 --> 02:35:49,400
Speaker 4: Bree came in. She was lucky enough to you sample little.

3076
02:35:49,680 --> 02:35:50,080
Speaker 1: Definitely.

3077
02:35:50,760 --> 02:35:53,280
Speaker 4: She said it was literally the greatest thing she's ever

3078
02:35:53,360 --> 02:35:54,880
Speaker 4: eaten in her life.

3079
02:35:55,120 --> 02:35:59,000
Speaker 2: All right, that's a very high standards. Yes, well this

3080
02:35:59,160 --> 02:35:59,840
Speaker 2: is this will meet this.

3081
02:36:00,120 --> 02:36:01,920
Speaker 1: Wait, they're cookies, right, yeah, cookies?

3082
02:36:02,120 --> 02:36:03,280
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

3083
02:36:03,680 --> 02:36:06,600
Speaker 2: It's calling it a cookie is sort of like saying

3084
02:36:06,680 --> 02:36:08,200
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes is a quarterback.

3085
02:36:08,959 --> 02:36:11,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been saying the cookie is the Patrick Mahomes

3086
02:36:11,280 --> 02:36:15,000
Speaker 1: of cookies. Yes, uh, there, she's a wizard. It better

3087
02:36:15,200 --> 02:36:17,840
Speaker 1: it better give me wings like red. Yeah, it's gonna

3088
02:36:17,840 --> 02:36:22,760
Speaker 1: give you fly through this. I will stand on that. Yeah,

3089
02:36:22,959 --> 02:36:25,000
Speaker 1: we'll see. All right, we'll take a video and post

3090
02:36:25,080 --> 02:36:26,240
Speaker 1: it me flying and.

3091
02:36:26,720 --> 02:36:29,200
Speaker 2: We'll do that. Merry Matt, great stuff, Lorraine of course,

3092
02:36:29,320 --> 02:36:32,400
Speaker 2: standing by somewhere somewhere, not.

3093
02:36:32,480 --> 02:36:35,240
Speaker 4: Here at all today He's letting me fly Oh, good.

3094
02:36:35,160 --> 02:36:37,119
Speaker 2: And you're doing a great job. Thank you very much.

3095
02:36:37,200 --> 02:36:39,960
Speaker 2: Good job is always here, all right? You know I

3096
02:36:40,240 --> 02:36:41,960
Speaker 2: I love to sort of say, all right, so what

3097
02:36:42,040 --> 02:36:45,400
Speaker 2: are we looking forward to? Uh in this upcoming weeks?

3098
02:36:45,440 --> 02:36:50,000
Speaker 2: I say basketball should be taking center stage. The combines

3099
02:36:50,000 --> 02:36:52,039
Speaker 2: are going to be wrapping up, and you know we're

3100
02:36:52,080 --> 02:36:54,280
Speaker 2: going to be talking about you know, what came out

3101
02:36:54,360 --> 02:36:57,520
Speaker 2: of the combine and everything else. The NFL never leaves

3102
02:36:57,600 --> 02:37:01,240
Speaker 2: our consciousness at all because coming out of the combine

3103
02:37:01,240 --> 02:37:02,280
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden you get back to

3104
02:37:02,320 --> 02:37:06,640
Speaker 2: free agency trade ideas. You know, wow, what if this

3105
02:37:06,760 --> 02:37:08,680
Speaker 2: guy was there? This guy was there? And this is

3106
02:37:08,720 --> 02:37:11,480
Speaker 2: something that we always seem to talk about. But I

3107
02:37:11,760 --> 02:37:15,000
Speaker 2: really think it's going to be an important time for basketball.

3108
02:37:15,080 --> 02:37:17,800
Speaker 2: Like I said, the most talked about basketball player currently

3109
02:37:17,920 --> 02:37:25,040
Speaker 2: is Caitlin Clark. By the way, in your opinion, does

3110
02:37:25,120 --> 02:37:30,560
Speaker 2: she need to win a national championship in order to

3111
02:37:31,280 --> 02:37:36,480
Speaker 2: ascend to being labeled the best?

3112
02:37:37,280 --> 02:37:40,000
Speaker 1: So no, I actually think that even if she wins

3113
02:37:40,560 --> 02:37:42,680
Speaker 1: the national championship, a lot of people are still not

3114
02:37:42,760 --> 02:37:44,760
Speaker 1: going to think she's the best. A lot of people

3115
02:37:44,879 --> 02:37:49,520
Speaker 1: have their already best female basketball player, and I don't

3116
02:37:49,520 --> 02:37:52,160
Speaker 1: think it's going to change. If anything, it may be

3117
02:37:52,440 --> 02:37:57,000
Speaker 1: just like solidifies it. But she's already great, She's already wonderful.

3118
02:37:57,160 --> 02:37:57,800
Speaker 1: She's a star.

3119
02:37:59,360 --> 02:38:03,240
Speaker 2: You mentioned we were talking about this software, so you know,

3120
02:38:03,440 --> 02:38:08,560
Speaker 2: I mentioned when Alex Rodriguez joined the Yankees and they said, well,

3121
02:38:08,920 --> 02:38:11,480
Speaker 2: Jeter's are shortstop, so you're gonna have to play third base.

3122
02:38:11,520 --> 02:38:14,840
Speaker 2: And I remember thinking of the time, a Rod is

3123
02:38:15,000 --> 02:38:17,600
Speaker 2: so much better at shortstop than Jeter. I mean, the

3124
02:38:17,760 --> 02:38:23,360
Speaker 2: numbers were so lopsided in a Rod's favor in terms

3125
02:38:23,400 --> 02:38:27,720
Speaker 2: of fielding at shortstop. But Jeter's a star, and there

3126
02:38:27,800 --> 02:38:31,120
Speaker 2: were better baseball players than Jeter, but there was no

3127
02:38:31,280 --> 02:38:33,520
Speaker 2: bigger star than Jeter.

3128
02:38:33,840 --> 02:38:36,600
Speaker 1: He was their franchise quarterback, correct.

3129
02:38:36,720 --> 02:38:40,000
Speaker 2: I mean, he was not just the face of the Yankees.

3130
02:38:40,040 --> 02:38:42,480
Speaker 2: He was the face of baseball. And it wasn't that

3131
02:38:42,600 --> 02:38:45,040
Speaker 2: he was always the best player. He never won an

3132
02:38:45,120 --> 02:38:51,440
Speaker 2: MVP Award. He was the biggest star on the biggest team.

3133
02:38:51,720 --> 02:38:54,240
Speaker 2: And that's why when we talk about the NBA, the

3134
02:38:54,320 --> 02:38:59,040
Speaker 2: biggest two stars remain Lebron and Steph. There are a

3135
02:38:59,160 --> 02:39:02,400
Speaker 2: lot of great play players in this league, but they're

3136
02:39:02,440 --> 02:39:04,120
Speaker 2: not stars.

3137
02:39:04,360 --> 02:39:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like we need to find a different

3138
02:39:06,000 --> 02:39:08,560
Speaker 1: word for what you are saying as a star because

3139
02:39:08,560 --> 02:39:09,560
Speaker 1: I I you're.

3140
02:39:09,520 --> 02:39:15,480
Speaker 2: You're a swiftie. Taylor's is neither the greatest singer nor

3141
02:39:15,560 --> 02:39:19,760
Speaker 2: the greatest songwriter, but she is by far the biggest star.

3142
02:39:19,920 --> 02:39:22,800
Speaker 1: She's the biggest star. And so I the more you say,

3143
02:39:22,879 --> 02:39:24,160
Speaker 1: the more I'm like, I feel like I need a

3144
02:39:24,200 --> 02:39:27,560
Speaker 1: different word for what you're trying to say, because Donovan

3145
02:39:27,560 --> 02:39:30,480
Speaker 1: Mitchell is a star, but you are. You are wanting

3146
02:39:30,520 --> 02:39:33,880
Speaker 1: to say a star is like more than just being

3147
02:39:34,280 --> 02:39:39,960
Speaker 1: a awesome basketball player, right, Yeah, that is almost like

3148
02:39:40,000 --> 02:39:43,560
Speaker 1: an X factor, right that you cannot describe, You can't

3149
02:39:43,760 --> 02:39:46,640
Speaker 1: exactly that's what that is what you're asking for. And

3150
02:39:46,800 --> 02:39:49,000
Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark has that X factor.

3151
02:39:49,360 --> 02:39:52,400
Speaker 4: Absolutely, she is a star star.

3152
02:39:52,840 --> 02:39:56,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, whether it's her game, the circumstances,

3153
02:39:56,280 --> 02:39:59,160
Speaker 2: or you know, as a native Iowan who stayed in

3154
02:39:59,280 --> 02:40:02,640
Speaker 2: Iowa and brought the team to a certain level, the

3155
02:40:02,760 --> 02:40:06,040
Speaker 2: way she plays the game, whatever it is, she has

3156
02:40:06,320 --> 02:40:10,880
Speaker 2: it in abundance. Actor right, Yeah, that's why again, she

3157
02:40:11,040 --> 02:40:14,440
Speaker 2: doesn't need any comparisons to pistol Pete Marivitch from fifty

3158
02:40:14,560 --> 02:40:15,040
Speaker 2: years ago.

3159
02:40:15,600 --> 02:40:18,840
Speaker 4: She is a star in her own right, Yeah, nor no.

3160
02:40:18,959 --> 02:40:22,879
Speaker 2: Comparisons are necessary. Moncy it's been a pleasure, it really

3161
02:40:23,040 --> 02:40:25,000
Speaker 2: has been. And don't let those cookies go.

3162
02:40:25,240 --> 02:40:25,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to share it.

3163
02:40:26,160 --> 02:40:26,600
Speaker 2: Keep it here.

3164
02:40:26,680 --> 02:40:27,879
Speaker 4: This is Fox Sports.