Speaker 1: On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have
Speaker 1: women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? The patriarchy zef in best
Speaker 1: start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Welcome to
Speaker 1: the Bechdel Cast. My name is Jamie Loftus, my name
Speaker 1: is Caitlin Darante, and this is our podcast where we
Speaker 1: explore the roll up women in movies. Wow. Can I
Speaker 1: have a question for you? Okay? Yeah? Can you imagine
Speaker 1: a world in which not having sex for forty days
Speaker 1: is actually difficult and not just how your life is
Speaker 1: the whole We're talking about forty days, forty night day.
Speaker 1: I was like, I've gone without having sex for forty days,
Speaker 1: Like I can't count. I'm pretty sure I've gone forty months, right,
Speaker 1: So it's God, imagine having bangs like Josh Hartnett and
Speaker 1: yet people need to fuck you. I just this is
Speaker 1: a In this podcast, we use the Bechtel Test. Jesus Christ,
Speaker 1: I want to go home. Okay. We use the Bechtel
Speaker 1: test as our jumping off point. It's a media test
Speaker 1: event to buy a cartoonist Alison Bechtel that asks of
Speaker 1: a piece of media that there be two female identifying characters.
Speaker 1: They have to have names who talk about something other
Speaker 1: than a man for exactly two lines of dialogue, and
Speaker 1: boy do we have a humdinger today. This movie was
Speaker 1: Caitlin's idea, it was my idea because it's Lent. It's Lent.
Speaker 1: So this is our Easter episode for all you Easter
Speaker 1: heads out there. Sorry for everyone who wants to do
Speaker 1: Passion of the Cry. I still have to wait another year.
Speaker 1: This year it's forty days and forty Well, last year
Speaker 1: we did shack Law as our bonus episode. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess. We have been pretty Christian about celebrating Easter
Speaker 1: on the Bectel, which is crazy because I'm not Christian,
Speaker 1: nor am I. We tried out like three religions and
Speaker 1: then gave up and it was like baptized Catholic. First
Speaker 1: Communion was Protestant. We briefly were wicked, and then we're
Speaker 1: just like we're going to just sleep on weekends and
Speaker 1: that will be more of our five anyways. Four okay,
Speaker 1: so we're doing the movie four days and forty nights.
Speaker 1: Should we just get into it? I feel like I
Speaker 1: can't not knows. It was like am I allowed to talk.
Speaker 1: You know, I have to wait because I have so
Speaker 1: much to say. There's so much I guess today a comedian.
Speaker 1: You've seen her at Moontower and Laughing School comedy festivals.
Speaker 1: She is the host of gender Fluids podcast. It's Ariel
Speaker 1: Isaac Norman. Thanks for coming on. Sorry that we maybe
Speaker 1: you had to watch this movie. I'd never seen it before,
Speaker 1: and this was a perfect opportunity to finally see it.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you that when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: I didn't see this movie, and I remember it coming out,
Speaker 1: I mean to a kid. I guess I was seventeen
Speaker 1: because I was a Mormon and we weren't allowed to
Speaker 1: watch movies like this, no R rated movies, which I
Speaker 1: think it's yeah, yeah, But I remember like looking at
Speaker 1: the cover of it, like with the hair dryer, and
Speaker 1: like wanting to watch this movie. I remember thinking that
Speaker 1: looks really hot. He has to resist sex. But I
Speaker 1: remember being like man, because I was a sexual child,
Speaker 1: you know, but like you know, not having sex, but
Speaker 1: just a very sexual child. So I remember just being like, man,
Speaker 1: I wish I could watch that movie one day when
Speaker 1: I'm an adult. Well, and now I have so what
Speaker 1: I meant to say, was we gave it this opportunity,
Speaker 1: and it was. It was illuminating, life changing. Kyleen, what's
Speaker 1: your experience with this movie. I saw it when it
Speaker 1: first came out in two two. I was also I
Speaker 1: was like fifteen or sixteen, not a movie that I
Speaker 1: enjoyed by any stretch of the imagination. Upon rewatching it
Speaker 1: to prep for the episode, I realized that the only
Speaker 1: thing I remembered about it was the scene where he
Speaker 1: fakes his orgasm towards the beginning, and then this impressive
Speaker 1: Meg Ryan. Oh sure, yeah, that's when I screamed at
Speaker 1: my Roku TV last night. And then um, the scene
Speaker 1: where he is like dumping ice onto his bone. Ar.
Speaker 1: I remembered that scene as well, but everything else I
Speaker 1: had forgotten our imagery. But I feel like this is
Speaker 1: like one of the last movies of that sub genre
Speaker 1: of like teen young adult type movies where people place
Speaker 1: sex bets because we've got our cruel intentions are ten things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but this is the tail end of it of this
Speaker 1: is when it jumped the shark. Yeah, we had to
Speaker 1: bring it back the sinister sex bet. So yeah, that's
Speaker 1: my history. Uh, and I yeah, I'm sorry that I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, let's do this for for our Easter
Speaker 1: Time episode. And I don't know why I thought it
Speaker 1: would be a good idea. I think we're all going
Speaker 1: to have a great time. My history of this movie
Speaker 1: I texted Caitlin as I was watching a lesson. I
Speaker 1: thought this was I was. I was like nine when
Speaker 1: this movie came out, so I definitely didn't see it.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much of a cultural legacy this
Speaker 1: movie really has because I didn't know anything about it.
Speaker 1: When you said forty days and forty nights, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's I think a movie about the Bible. And I
Speaker 1: thought Josh Hartnett was in a Biblical epic too many
Speaker 1: movies back then, But I was like, yeah, I was
Speaker 1: like ready for and I think I sort of had
Speaker 1: it confused with six days, seven nights. But I don't
Speaker 1: know what that's about either, So maybe I wasn't confused,
Speaker 1: but I thought it was like Josh Hartnett is playing
Speaker 1: like the Technicolor Dreamcoat. Like I thought it was gonna
Speaker 1: be a movie about the boy. Here's what you texted me. Okay,
Speaker 1: so next message, I thought, dot forty days and forty
Speaker 1: Nights was a dystopian movie about the Bible. Next message
Speaker 1: dot dot Dot It's not it's so weird, and then
Speaker 1: you find out it's about like sand for instil It's
Speaker 1: like the tech Bro tech Bro showed two two working
Speaker 1: in a warehouse with terrible lighting and abusing women. Like
Speaker 1: since you're just I was not ready for this movie,
Speaker 1: and I'm angry. I had to I know, this is
Speaker 1: my bad, everybody. It took me three This movie is
Speaker 1: fairly short. It's like it's an hour and a half,
Speaker 1: but so much happened that is crazy that I it
Speaker 1: took me three hours to watch the movie because I
Speaker 1: had to keep pausing it and taking notes because it
Speaker 1: was every two seconds You're like, hold on, let's try
Speaker 1: to unpack this, and the like there's just so much.
Speaker 1: And then you had not seen this. You just watched
Speaker 1: it for the for the first time. Yeah, I watched
Speaker 1: it with my new girlfriend. We had a great since
Speaker 1: she hadn't seen it either. She was quite young when
Speaker 1: it came out, so yeah, we had a great time
Speaker 1: watching those I mean, you know, we got quite high
Speaker 1: and we were like, I thought it was going to
Speaker 1: be a very boringly bad movie. It is not a
Speaker 1: boringly bad movie. It's a mind blowingly bad movie. This
Speaker 1: is the epitome. If you want to know what problematic means,
Speaker 1: just any scene in this movie is like dear God.
Speaker 1: And because if you watch any movies from back then,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh god, that we were pretty homophobic, we
Speaker 1: were pretty just like letting things. But this movie takes
Speaker 1: I'm like, was everything this bad? Values This feels like
Speaker 1: a little worse than even normal, and Normal was bad,
Speaker 1: but this feels slightly worse. I think it's because in
Speaker 1: those other sex bet movies, they're teenagers, and these people
Speaker 1: are like post college, so it's like they're a little runchier,
Speaker 1: they're a little more adult. They are actually like fucking
Speaker 1: by this point in their lives. There are multiple points
Speaker 1: in this movie where I'm like, where are the parents?
Speaker 1: Because they're out of control. They're they're twenty four, they
Speaker 1: don't need parents. Oh God, should be illegal. This is
Speaker 1: like one of the more paranoid movies I've ever seen,
Speaker 1: two of Like it seems like the leading character is
Speaker 1: like struggling with mental illness, like it's hallucinating constantly, and
Speaker 1: everyone's like, you're just horny, And then they make him
Speaker 1: sign up for the no fab reddit board, essentially prior
Speaker 1: to the no fab reddit board existing the no fat parallels.
Speaker 1: I've got I got everyone covered. He does become a
Speaker 1: val cell. He's all selling voluntary cells. He knows for
Speaker 1: forty days, which but like the culture of no fab
Speaker 1: is like it's a reddit board where people mostly men.
Speaker 1: But sometimes I'm gonna join, you know, yeah, I did join.
Speaker 1: I'm masturbated a lot, like this would be hard for me.
Speaker 1: It's like, basically men convincingly, they're like, I'm not going
Speaker 1: the longer ago without masturbating. I will become a superhuman basically,
Speaker 1: And they're like, I'll become like all my problems will
Speaker 1: be resolved. Some people seem to get a lot out
Speaker 1: of it. The way the board is run is very strange,
Speaker 1: where it's like you lead with a number in parentheses
Speaker 1: and that's how long you've gone without coming, like how
Speaker 1: many days? Yes? Yes, and so like there's people that
Speaker 1: are just starting and they're like, oh, this is great.
Speaker 1: I used to have a stand up joke about it
Speaker 1: because it's so I tried to infiltrate the boards. Um.
Speaker 1: But there's people who have like not faped in years,
Speaker 1: and they're like treated so with such reverence in there,
Speaker 1: and they're just like, ever since I stopped coming, I
Speaker 1: got promoted at work, like it seems to vastly great.
Speaker 1: But then other ones that get up in the hundreds
Speaker 1: and like, oh, they're like basically murderers, So it's helping
Speaker 1: them focus their murderous right, They're like, now I have
Speaker 1: time to watch scary videos on YouTube and like make
Speaker 1: scary plans. Yeah, so there's a lot this is just
Speaker 1: like very proto no fab So I remember I took
Speaker 1: an improv class once and the thing that I remember
Speaker 1: most is that on our performance night, they said that
Speaker 1: if you have to pee just a little bit, it
Speaker 1: makes you more creative. And I went ahead and didn't
Speaker 1: pee before going on and I did great, So I know,
Speaker 1: so I've always thought of that. So I think about
Speaker 1: that sometimes if I ever have to pee and I'm
Speaker 1: going on stage pretty soon, I'll just be like, all right,
Speaker 1: let's just use that energy. So I wonder if it's
Speaker 1: a similar thing. If your balls are just a little full,
Speaker 1: you're just a little on edge, it makes you a
Speaker 1: little bit more creative and focused and everything, because it's
Speaker 1: like there's a part of your body. That's like trying
Speaker 1: to find a restroom of urgency, distance of urgency. That
Speaker 1: kind of like translates, and you're like, if I could
Speaker 1: just finish this thing, then I can come be the
Speaker 1: same thing with when I ran track in high school.
Speaker 1: They're like, if you have to pee before a race,
Speaker 1: don't like, don't pee why you're running? That's the cool
Speaker 1: people do. They'll know you're serious, and the people behind
Speaker 1: you will Yeah, and then you win, so it works out. Well? Yeah,
Speaker 1: can we talk? First of all, I mean as y'all
Speaker 1: y'all sleep with penis people, so how talking? I'm feel
Speaker 1: sorry for all of you. From what I hear, it's
Speaker 1: mostly bad. But um, but how abnormal do you think
Speaker 1: it is for a man to go forty days without sex?
Speaker 1: Probably they're never doing that about masturbating unless they're Mormons
Speaker 1: or it's something right. I think I know a lot
Speaker 1: of men who regularly go at least forty days I
Speaker 1: not a lot longer without sex. But I think they're
Speaker 1: jerking off at least three times a day. It's the
Speaker 1: jerking off thing, is I think the thing because it's
Speaker 1: like basically all of my male friends don't get never fun.
Speaker 1: A lot of my boyfriends rarely fun. So but I
Speaker 1: think it's yeah, the masturbation thing, which is weird because
Speaker 1: it's like, that's not really the route this movie takes.
Speaker 1: This movie takes instead that all women are determined to
Speaker 1: fuck an awkward looking Josh Hartnett. That's my favorite part
Speaker 1: because yeah, they like they explicitly, well, how do do
Speaker 1: we shoot? It's so weird to know how to start
Speaker 1: with this movie. Well, let me do the recap and
Speaker 1: then and then and then we'll jump in. So we
Speaker 1: meet Matt. That is Josh Hartness. Oh my god, there
Speaker 1: I one of the most relatable like things in this
Speaker 1: maybe like who hasn't known two random dudes named Matt
Speaker 1: and Ryan who have a codependent friendship and they hate women.
Speaker 1: Like there that that is eternal. So Matt was in
Speaker 1: a relationship with a woman named Nicole who dumps him
Speaker 1: off screen and was the teen from hocus pokis correct? Yes,
Speaker 1: So since then he has been having sex with a
Speaker 1: bunch of women, but he feels very empty after each encounter.
Speaker 1: And there's one scene where he's with the woman and
Speaker 1: he has to fake an orgasm and ceilings are cracking,
Speaker 1: um and he's going to his brother, who is like
Speaker 1: a priest in training, to be like, what's wrong with me,
Speaker 1: and his brother is just like, you're an idiot. He's like, oh.
Speaker 1: So he finds out that his ex girlfriend Nicole, has
Speaker 1: gotten engaged to a rich, handsome man but mostly rich,
Speaker 1: and then he goes to his brother, the priest in training,
Speaker 1: for advice, and then he gets the idea to give
Speaker 1: up sex for Lent because it's the first day of
Speaker 1: Lent and he's like, oh, I'll just go without sex,
Speaker 1: without masturbation, without any sexual intimacy for forty days in
Speaker 1: an attempt to grow as a person and try to
Speaker 1: get over Nicole. Sure, which is it doesn't address a
Speaker 1: lot of the problems that he's having, Like he clearly
Speaker 1: needs therapy and he's trying to better himself. But he's trying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that part, I was like, this is not the worst
Speaker 1: thing to do. Everything else that happens is the worst thing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's day one. He gets rid of all of
Speaker 1: his porn in Victoria's secret catalogs and any lube like substance. Also,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're heck, guy, what's with all this analog porn?
Speaker 1: You guys. It's a different time. Yeah, And then he
Speaker 1: goes to a laundromatt because his roommates, like his roommate Ryan,
Speaker 1: who fucking sucks. He's like, let's go and meet chicks,
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, I have laundry to do. There's
Speaker 1: that scene in the bathroom where like Matt has just
Speaker 1: had a severe panic attack during sex and then runs
Speaker 1: into his friend and his friend is like, get big
Speaker 1: out there and finish the job. Like he's just like
Speaker 1: such a fucking gross just bad writing pervert. He's like
Speaker 1: building like toy cars. He has time to make model cars.
Speaker 1: That's what they can think of in this second he
Speaker 1: stops coming. He's like, I'm really into trains now, which
Speaker 1: I have found to teach. So he goes to a
Speaker 1: laundromat instead of like going out to the club to
Speaker 1: meet chicks, and there he still meets a Q girl,
Speaker 1: Shannon's Simon. Here's the thing. She's not like the other girl.
Speaker 1: She's not. She's she loves being at the laundromat and
Speaker 1: she just wants to get to know cute boys at
Speaker 1: the laundro match. Yeah, she's not scared for her life
Speaker 1: at the laundro match. She doesn't not maken intact with
Speaker 1: anyone at the laundromat like a normal also extremely unprepared
Speaker 1: to be there. She's like, can you make change for me?
Speaker 1: I don't have anything to read. I need your fabric softener.
Speaker 1: But that's like a way to meet people. I never
Speaker 1: carry a lighter, so that I have to ask for
Speaker 1: a lighter. And it's very effective in that way. You're
Speaker 1: always like sharing whatever you have and you know whatever.
Speaker 1: So I can see that. But she should have left
Speaker 1: one thing at home and had the rest. Now she's
Speaker 1: just a freeloader. Yeah, she's she's done her hair and
Speaker 1: makeup to go to the laundromatch has not remembered she's
Speaker 1: She's really like forcing herself into Josh Hartnett's space for
Speaker 1: the scene, and he's trying to be aloof because he
Speaker 1: sees that she's cute, but he's like, I'm like yeah.
Speaker 1: She tries to talk to him. He's very like and
Speaker 1: then she's like see the same time next week, t
Speaker 1: he and he's like and then he literally doesn't say
Speaker 1: like a word during the whole which is which is
Speaker 1: interesting because she goes back to that later and she's like, man,
Speaker 1: that first day we met, and like, when he didn't talk,
Speaker 1: it was very strange. Yeah, I was like, did I
Speaker 1: forget a part where you all had a conversation. She
Speaker 1: acts as if they had this moment of connection and
Speaker 1: then he but he like reacts to her like what
Speaker 1: she's saying is like yeah, that first day, I was like, no,
Speaker 1: that was so uncomfortable. Although there is that scene where
Speaker 1: he has I do love that. There's some good product
Speaker 1: placement in this movie. There's a lot of attention called
Speaker 1: to the fact that he has a Mr. Bubble t shirt.
Speaker 1: At one point it was interesting Mr Bubble getting in there.
Speaker 1: R rated comedy time. That's the real analysis. I have
Speaker 1: sure that that's the most way they wanted to be. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So then matt roommate Ryan the Shitty Guy, finds out
Speaker 1: about Matt's of celibacy, and he's just like what the fuck, Like,
Speaker 1: guys are meant to come and fuck jerk off and
Speaker 1: you're going against science. And then we cut to a
Speaker 1: scene where Ryan has told Matt's colleagues at this like
Speaker 1: tech startup they whenever they work at this vague they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is welcome to computer dot com, Like that's the company.
Speaker 1: It's an Internet company, is all they ever say about it.
Speaker 1: It's a very convenient way for them not to have
Speaker 1: to explain anything. You know, they can do whatever they
Speaker 1: want at this company. In terms of the bed, it's
Speaker 1: so it's so okay. The art direction for this company.
Speaker 1: It is so dark. All the lighting is blue. Men
Speaker 1: are always wearing many layers, women are practically naked. It
Speaker 1: does seem to be very cold in the building though.
Speaker 1: There I was surprised that there were women in tech representative,
Speaker 1: but they were all dressed like Barbie dolls. They were
Speaker 1: all violently horny and treated like carpege Yes indeed, and
Speaker 1: they all have All these people who work in this
Speaker 1: office have a bet going where they put money into
Speaker 1: a pool and if they bet on the right day
Speaker 1: that they think that Matt is going to have sex
Speaker 1: or masturbate, then they win all the money in that pool.
Speaker 1: So if someone's like I think he's gonna fuck on
Speaker 1: day twenty three and they bet correctly, then they win
Speaker 1: all the money. I also think it's really funny, like
Speaker 1: the way the Internet is treated in this movie is
Speaker 1: so Uncanny Valley, where like Matt has sex with that
Speaker 1: woman that he fakes the orgasm with and gets to
Speaker 1: work the next morning and his co worker is like,
Speaker 1: so heard you faked an orgasm last night, and he's
Speaker 1: in Matt like how do you know that? He's like Internet,
Speaker 1: it was Twitter even around, like that woman would have
Speaker 1: had to somehow, Like how would that woman have even
Speaker 1: gotten the word out if she wanted to? It is
Speaker 1: a blog, so like omnipotent And that comes back later
Speaker 1: where what's her name? Erica finds out about the bet
Speaker 1: like two seconds later, and he's like, how did you know?
Speaker 1: She's like Internet? Yeah, yeah. So then Matt does not
Speaker 1: know about this bet at first, but the women in
Speaker 1: the office are actively. There's one woman who like at first,
Speaker 1: who sexually harasses him in the workplace to try to
Speaker 1: get him to like break his vow. It doesn't work.
Speaker 1: He goes to the laundromat again. The same woman is there,
Speaker 1: Shannon Ssamon, and he introduces himself this time and uh,
Speaker 1: she's like, my name is Erica. He asks her out
Speaker 1: on a date. They go on a bus date and
Speaker 1: then fun montage that that was supposed to be him
Speaker 1: being cool and sensitive and interesting. It's like he's like,
Speaker 1: where can I definitely not come right. Yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: just like, why is she just so happy about the
Speaker 1: whole thing? I don't care, but they're having a great time.
Speaker 1: Her character is like god like Dixie dream girl. Is
Speaker 1: that what we're calling this? I think I think that
Speaker 1: she falls into that category pretty squarely, because like, her
Speaker 1: motivations don't make sense. She seems determined to fix him
Speaker 1: for whatever reason. She hangs in when there doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: Like she's whimsical enough to enjoy a bus date. I mean,
Speaker 1: she wants a bus date. She loves hanging out at
Speaker 1: the laundromat. She's just yeah, she's just flitting around. She's
Speaker 1: she's got a quirky job. She's a cyber nanny um
Speaker 1: like Maggie Jillen a poorly dressed mag Maggie Jillen Hall
Speaker 1: is her best friend. I lost a notch of respect
Speaker 1: for Maggie Jillen Hall in this movie. I'm gonna say, like, damn,
Speaker 1: I hope you bought something nice. Yeah. So they're on
Speaker 1: their bus date. At the end of the night, she
Speaker 1: goes to kiss him, but he's like and he gives
Speaker 1: her high five instead because he can't even he can't
Speaker 1: even kiss. He runs. So that is against the rules too, right,
Speaker 1: because I guess I would fall under the sexual and
Speaker 1: a missing category, not if it's like a disconnected kiss,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe just like a little just don't on
Speaker 1: the cheek, Okay. So then he finds out about the
Speaker 1: bet at work because they've created a website with there's
Speaker 1: there's ads and everything on the website, and one of
Speaker 1: them is a porn site that's protected by the cyber
Speaker 1: nanny company that Erico works for. So he does apparently
Speaker 1: we're right. So he rushes over there and everyone's like, hey,
Speaker 1: there's the abstinute guy. And she's all piste off at him,
Speaker 1: and she's like, what is this some kind of bet
Speaker 1: not to sleep with me? We'll talk about her what
Speaker 1: she gets angry about. So he's like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I like you. And then after a few days she
Speaker 1: decides that she's not mad at him anymore. And then
Speaker 1: they go on another date out to eat, but his
Speaker 1: ex girlfriend Nicole is there with her new fiance. This
Speaker 1: is another very two thousand two moments where it's like,
Speaker 1: at this time, dating a tech bro was not yet
Speaker 1: a sign that like you had a ton of money.
Speaker 1: She had like an old school banker. She's got like
Speaker 1: a dirt bag banker. And then he's like, oh no,
Speaker 1: I just wor get a Silicon Valley starch a loser.
Speaker 1: I'm like, do you fast forward? Josh Harnett's guy billions
Speaker 1: of dollars and he's like waging wars in foreign countries
Speaker 1: on Facebook. So Matt doesn't deal with seeing his ex
Speaker 1: girlfriend well, he catches on fire and then Erica fun
Speaker 1: Erica gets mad at him again for not telling her
Speaker 1: that he had an ex girlfriend. So by now it's
Speaker 1: like kind of midway through. It's like day twenty or
Speaker 1: twenty three or something like that, and you know, the
Speaker 1: other guys at work are like, hey, I'm going to
Speaker 1: take a valve celibacy too, because I think that's going
Speaker 1: to help me get late. I thought they were just
Speaker 1: lying that they were doing that to women. I mean
Speaker 1: they were just doing that as a way to get
Speaker 1: other cell She was a six hour window. But because
Speaker 1: actly so, then Erica isn't mad at him anymore again,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know she's actually kind of starting to
Speaker 1: fall for this. Yeah, and he goes over to her
Speaker 1: house and makes her come by blowing a flower petal
Speaker 1: around her I was like that, I don't know where
Speaker 1: all these orchids came from. Yeah, but I didn't think
Speaker 1: that there is nothing like not being able to have
Speaker 1: sex to make that tension really hot. And then if
Speaker 1: you had the flower I mean that, Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a sexy I was like, that's something you can do
Speaker 1: at home with your lover. You've already had sex. If
Speaker 1: you put an arbitrary restriction on not having sex, and
Speaker 1: then you can get you can get a lot of
Speaker 1: out of flower petals that I liked that. I just
Speaker 1: the whole time. I was just like, man, I just
Speaker 1: wished it were different people. Yeah, but that was a
Speaker 1: hot that was a hot scene. Yeah. And then she's
Speaker 1: like I'm in love with him, and Maggiella has like
Speaker 1: why and she's like, I don't know the movie that
Speaker 1: must ever and then a little bit later, Nicole shows
Speaker 1: up at his house his ex girlfriend, and this is
Speaker 1: like a major shark job. Okay, well, she's like, my
Speaker 1: my fiance broke it off. Let's kiss and he's like, no,
Speaker 1: you suck actually, And I finally realizing that you ruin
Speaker 1: my life. Even though we know in the opening shots
Speaker 1: of the movie that she broke up with him for
Speaker 1: very good reasons, right, because he was invading her like privacy,
Speaker 1: and he wasn't listening to her, like was being too much,
Speaker 1: and she just like I had to break it off.
Speaker 1: But then it's slowly framed. It was like you have
Speaker 1: to go into two thousand two brain and be like,
Speaker 1: oh no, she's the villain. And then in the third
Speaker 1: act they make her God, we'll talk about it, so
Speaker 1: he's get out of here. I'm gonna slam the door
Speaker 1: in your face. And then cut to the final day
Speaker 1: of the vow. Nicole goes in and places a bet
Speaker 1: for thirty dollars that he will fuck on that day. Um. Meanwhile, Matt,
Speaker 1: he wakes up, he's got a boner the likes of
Speaker 1: which you never seen. Oh my god, Yeah, the forty
Speaker 1: foot boner that he has, and he's like heading to work.
Speaker 1: He's imagining all the women being naked because he's just
Speaker 1: so horny. By this point, he's withheld from he's abstained
Speaker 1: from sex for so long that it's making him sick
Speaker 1: like it. Yes, And then at midnight that night, when
Speaker 1: the val ends, Eric is supposed to come over so
Speaker 1: he can like finally bust his nut into her. I
Speaker 1: guess god, honestly, after all that, if someone like, if
Speaker 1: someone like if nights, I'd be like, please masturbate first.
Speaker 1: I don't want this like thirty second experience of you
Speaker 1: like approaching death, Like I just please handle that on
Speaker 1: your own. So he handcuffs himself to his bed so
Speaker 1: that he won't be attempted to touch himself like Odysseus
Speaker 1: and the Sirens. Yes. Um. And then at some point
Speaker 1: when he's in this like horny induced days, Nicole comes
Speaker 1: back over. Yeah, he's having some kind of dream about
Speaker 1: a boob World mountains, which I used to have that dream.
Speaker 1: Who among us is not fantasized about a poorly rendered
Speaker 1: boo World c g I boom. So Nicole comes back
Speaker 1: over and rape. Yeah, we'll talk about that. I had
Speaker 1: to rewind that three times just to be like, now,
Speaker 1: hold on. I thought that was like, maybe we get
Speaker 1: a shot of her entering the house, but we don't.
Speaker 1: The audience comes to from boob World with him and
Speaker 1: he's just been raped by his ex girlfriend. Yeah, oh
Speaker 1: my god. And then I checked. I was like, there's
Speaker 1: only like seven minutes left in the movie. How how
Speaker 1: could this possibly so? Like Nicole and Erica pass each
Speaker 1: other on the staircase after she's leaving. Yeah, the coles
Speaker 1: leaving Erica it a criminal is leaving a sex criminals
Speaker 1: is fleeing the scene. And then who also just insider
Speaker 1: traded that bet? Oh yeah, which they never address the bet,
Speaker 1: but so insane and Matt is upstairs being like, when
Speaker 1: Eric gets here, she's going to be so mad I
Speaker 1: got raped and she is and he's like, I thought
Speaker 1: that she was you. She's like, you fucking asked thought
Speaker 1: I was being raped by my girlfriend instead of my egg.
Speaker 1: It's great? Can you believe this movie was made by Mirramax?
Speaker 1: Like checks out, She storms out because she erect right,
Speaker 1: and then he has to like figure out what to
Speaker 1: say to make it up to her, and he's like
Speaker 1: trying to figure out all this stuff and then eventually
Speaker 1: he just like goes is it? They make up in
Speaker 1: the laundromat, right, she's doing laundry. He comes to the
Speaker 1: laundromat and he's like, what I should have done this
Speaker 1: whole time? Is this? And then Surprise kisses her and
Speaker 1: then she's like I love it. And then the movie
Speaker 1: ends with them fucking for like forty seven consecutive hours,
Speaker 1: and then all the tech bros are like at his
Speaker 1: apartment in the living room, just like placing beds. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: is you going to go another hour? And he's like,
Speaker 1: you guys are losers. Get out of here. As far
Speaker 1: as I know, that's a realistic depiction of tech bros. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's the story. Let's take a quick break and
Speaker 1: then we will come right back. All right, let's get
Speaker 1: into it. But your fort boners away where the discourse begins. Now,
Speaker 1: I still don't understand whether he won or lost. Like, no,
Speaker 1: I guess I didn't really think about how did the
Speaker 1: bet resolve. I can't, Yeah, because I don't address anyone win.
Speaker 1: They're still just betting on other stuff. But like I
Speaker 1: sure they never addressed like, hey, technically if he gets raped,
Speaker 1: does the bet count? Right? I don't want to know
Speaker 1: what these tech I just simply tell the movie doesn't
Speaker 1: even acknowledge it as rape, it doesn't, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's I mean, I don't think we're supposed to think
Speaker 1: of it that way, which is, but that is what happened.
Speaker 1: Make no mistake. I think she wins the money. I
Speaker 1: think Nicole wins the money. For raping up. I don't
Speaker 1: see how she wouldn't have. They never addressed that she plays. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because she makes makes dollar bet and then goes and
Speaker 1: rapes him, and she must have won. Yeah, she must
Speaker 1: have won like eight dollars the odds, the odds that
Speaker 1: they would have given her on the last twelve hours
Speaker 1: or whatever. I think she's the real billionaire by the
Speaker 1: end of this she is a Silicon Valley billionaire. She raped.
Speaker 1: This is just like, this movie is so extremely funked
Speaker 1: up that I don't I've never seen a movie that
Speaker 1: like treat like it's written. You know, It's like there
Speaker 1: is this undercurrent and a lot of movie and a
Speaker 1: lot of attitudes of like that women are out to
Speaker 1: get you. They're trying to trick you, their duplicitous uh,
Speaker 1: they're going to try to entrap you. They'll use sex
Speaker 1: to get it. That's the only power that they have.
Speaker 1: I've never seen that taken to like an eleven quite
Speaker 1: in the way that this movie is. Because every woman
Speaker 1: in this movie, it's almost just like having an irrational
Speaker 1: fear confirmed of Like his fear is that women are
Speaker 1: out to get him, and women are going to quote
Speaker 1: unquote betray him like Nicole did when she broke up
Speaker 1: with him for a valid reason. And then the way
Speaker 1: the movie is written, every woman does that, and every
Speaker 1: woman acts like his worst fear, and every woman is
Speaker 1: out to get him. And that's just the logic the
Speaker 1: movie has is like, you know how you're afraid how
Speaker 1: women are out to get you? They are, here's a
Speaker 1: movie about it. Like it's just it's because I mean,
Speaker 1: there's like, okay, I made a list of women out
Speaker 1: to get Josh Hartnett, and yes, it's all of them
Speaker 1: at different points. And then eventually Erica at the end
Speaker 1: not as much, but Candy, the woman who works at
Speaker 1: computer dot com Industries photocopies are asked, tries to entrap him. Nicole,
Speaker 1: who it's first implied, is like she's getting married to
Speaker 1: like spite him. Everything is a personal like attack on him,
Speaker 1: and then she later rapes him for money. Erica there's
Speaker 1: a few moments in the movie where it seems like
Speaker 1: she's trying to seduce him for her own like needs.
Speaker 1: It's also implied that their relationship is more pure because
Speaker 1: they don't have sex, which is weird and old school
Speaker 1: and whatever. The women that I don't know if we
Speaker 1: ever luned name, but that first hookup that he has
Speaker 1: um who just like viciously tries to emasculate him by
Speaker 1: any means necessary in ways that are like crazy. That's
Speaker 1: the one who's like, come with me, and then that
Speaker 1: leads him to fake his orgasm, right, and she that
Speaker 1: character is set up by being like like she's mean
Speaker 1: to a waiter and she's like, this isn't what I wanted,
Speaker 1: and then she insists that he prove that he's come,
Speaker 1: like it just does. When he goes and get some
Speaker 1: white Out, he's like, I need anything that looks like semens.
Speaker 1: So he's like white out, and which I guess is
Speaker 1: probably a joke, but this movie, maybe the least funny
Speaker 1: attempt at a comedy, smells like oh yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: actually I actually never need to buy white out. I
Speaker 1: just like collect men's come and put it a little bottle,
Speaker 1: and I like, yeah, I mean I do like that
Speaker 1: you line them like next to your bed so that
Speaker 1: they can get like moon energy, which is definitely other
Speaker 1: women who try to ruin Josh Hard is like the
Speaker 1: three women at work in that insane scene where they're like,
Speaker 1: you've taken our power away by withholding sex. Women with
Speaker 1: ald sex, not you. I was giving the money to check, Like,
Speaker 1: can we talk about the full conspiracy theory with like so, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: every every single woman we meet in this movie is
Speaker 1: out to get Josh Hardnet. Okay, first of all, at
Speaker 1: one point two of the women walk in and then
Speaker 1: they were like, well, we're going to lesbian kiss in
Speaker 1: front of you, and you're not gonna be able to
Speaker 1: resist that. Like that's the one where she says she's
Speaker 1: basically trying to get the pussy power back. She said,
Speaker 1: and she says it pretty explicitly that like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: women hold because it's the idea of like, well, men
Speaker 1: want to fuck so badly, like their evolutionary impulses to
Speaker 1: get us pregnant. So we have this power. And if
Speaker 1: you are saying you can resist us even for forty
Speaker 1: all of us for forty days, then that means that
Speaker 1: we've lost our power on this like fundamental level. It's
Speaker 1: so she she's like, I am through. We are threatened,
Speaker 1: as as the half of this population that is supposed
Speaker 1: to have this power. We are threatened, and so we
Speaker 1: have to fuck you or else we lose the and
Speaker 1: it just confirms like the belief that that's the only
Speaker 1: power that they have ever had. The Okay, so what
Speaker 1: do you think we should take that power back? I
Speaker 1: think we should. I think women. I mean, I'm already
Speaker 1: doing my part not to suck these people, but I
Speaker 1: think only about ten percent of them really deserved to
Speaker 1: get lay, So I would say it's less than that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean tops ten as far as I can tell.
Speaker 1: So you know, we should wield that power. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a good power to have, but it's not the
Speaker 1: only power to have. And it seems like like that
Speaker 1: girl is grasping at straate. She's like, without withholding sex,
Speaker 1: I have nothing and nothing. But it's insane that they
Speaker 1: do this where she said where he says, Oh, you're
Speaker 1: not really trying to have sex for me for this
Speaker 1: insane philosophical, like random thing that you do. You know,
Speaker 1: this idea that women are gonna lose their pussy power
Speaker 1: if if I don't have sex with any of you,
Speaker 1: it's you're not doing it for that, You're doing it
Speaker 1: for the money. And she's like, no, I'm not. I've
Speaker 1: already signed a notarized thing that I'm giving to a
Speaker 1: notary to get it. She's so like, that doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1: She couldn't have any motivation except they needed it to
Speaker 1: be a pure thing where this woman had to prove
Speaker 1: that a man cannot resist having sex with a woman.
Speaker 1: So here's here's how that scene plays out. Matt is
Speaker 1: in the back getting a bunch of max Cell tapes
Speaker 1: because he works at camp dot com. I need a
Speaker 1: lot of Maxell tapes. There this woman whose name is Andy,
Speaker 1: she is named. She walks in the room and says
Speaker 1: something akin to I understand what you're doing. That women
Speaker 1: have been doing this since well forever. So we all
Speaker 1: know about the power. See us having the power, that's
Speaker 1: part of the system. And by you taking the power,
Speaker 1: you're fucking with the system. And I think you can
Speaker 1: see why we can't let that happen. And then you know,
Speaker 1: she she shows her whole notorized document and he's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not in it for the money, I'm in it
Speaker 1: for the power. And Matt's like, so you want to
Speaker 1: have sex with me to get back the power, and
Speaker 1: then she says, we're willing to do whatever is necessary
Speaker 1: to get the job done. By then a second woman
Speaker 1: is in the room who expresses doubt about she doesn't
Speaker 1: it love it more? Oscar should have been given. But
Speaker 1: there's there's like a second woman who comes in and
Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know if we should do this,
Speaker 1: and she the other girl, Andy is like, no, we're
Speaker 1: doing this and then like starts to like forcibly kiss
Speaker 1: her to in trap Josh Hartnett, right, which feels like
Speaker 1: another one of those scenes like cool intentions, where it's like, well,
Speaker 1: the male filmmakers, we got to make this movie hot.
Speaker 1: We gotta make it hot for the boys who are
Speaker 1: watching this. Let's put two women kissing so that the
Speaker 1: little boys can be like, oh, I mean I appreciated
Speaker 1: that scene. You know they're gonna use their tongues, don't
Speaker 1: you know, And it was like I used to be
Speaker 1: creeped out by the tongue thing. I think it's because
Speaker 1: of that two girls, one cup thing that happened, and
Speaker 1: ever since then, it just it took me a long
Speaker 1: time to heal from. And I knew, like I only
Speaker 1: sideways glanced at that ever once, but still just like
Speaker 1: what they were doing with their tongues really ruined lesbian
Speaker 1: tongue stuff for me for a long time. So I
Speaker 1: feel this movie is actually pretty healing. It was the
Speaker 1: first time I watched two people just rubbed tongues together.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, I think I can
Speaker 1: enjoy this again. I guess it's just telling that you
Speaker 1: rarely see like a lesbian kiss on screen between two
Speaker 1: queer women and who are kissing each other because they
Speaker 1: like each other and they're attracted to each other. It's
Speaker 1: usually for a man. It's usually evil too. We can
Speaker 1: assume straight women who are kissing each other to either
Speaker 1: seem more attractive to men, to get better at kissing too,
Speaker 1: so they can be good at kissing men, or to
Speaker 1: like seduce and entrap men. So that's like the only
Speaker 1: representation you get on screen in mainstream movies of two
Speaker 1: women kissing. It's it's usually under It should be like
Speaker 1: a Beachdel test for for lesbian kisses too, and this
Speaker 1: one does not pass. You should make that test. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's yeah, that's Norman test whether it is whether two
Speaker 1: women kissing is at all for them, which you know,
Speaker 1: female pleasure has no part in. At least one of
Speaker 1: those women was cute, you know, the one who's like
Speaker 1: Josh Harden is not even cute. By the way, which
Speaker 1: was great because I feel like they gave him a
Speaker 1: worse haircut for that. I remember him being kind of cute.
Speaker 1: He looks like dumb and dumber, Like, yeah, I can't
Speaker 1: tell if my tastes have changed, or if like I
Speaker 1: saw him like on the cover of that movie and
Speaker 1: thought he was cute at the time, or if I'm
Speaker 1: now looking you know, we're just like people all look
Speaker 1: stupid back then, but I'm like now, that haircut was horrible.
Speaker 1: His face was not great. It's it is confusing that
Speaker 1: he would struggle to not have sex for forty days
Speaker 1: with that haircut, is how I feel sure. That scene
Speaker 1: is like, aside from the rape scene, that scene was like,
Speaker 1: what is going on in this movie? And it's so
Speaker 1: he's so clearly the victim in all of these situations.
Speaker 1: We're all happening at work. This is all like at work,
Speaker 1: like workplace sexual harassment that no one's doing anything about
Speaker 1: because the boss is like, why won't my wife fuck me?
Speaker 1: That on him? The boss of computer dot com is
Speaker 1: first like, cool idea to not have sex because now
Speaker 1: you've got the power and you're were holding it. I'm
Speaker 1: going to do that to my wife because she doesn't
Speaker 1: want to suck me. So I'm just gonna be like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna fuck you, and she's gonna be like, no,
Speaker 1: fuck me. And then John harton it's like, okay, cut
Speaker 1: to four Party's like my wife says her life is
Speaker 1: way better since I stopped sucking, so happy dude. Can
Speaker 1: I just say I related to that guy so hard.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you'll know that. I'm twice divorced
Speaker 1: and I remember that's honestly though, I remember trying that.
Speaker 1: I remember being like, well, if I stopped trying, maybe
Speaker 1: then she'll like try to come on to me and
Speaker 1: that will be good. So like the fact that that
Speaker 1: was in there, I was like, dude, yeah, that's real, man,
Speaker 1: these games that you play with women to be Like,
Speaker 1: the truth is, I just don't think that we were
Speaker 1: sexually compatible. Honestly. I think there's I've been figuring out
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff about my gender and sexuality, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: elaborate things in your mind. And I think so many
Speaker 1: people do date people that they're not that's sexually compatible
Speaker 1: with um. For we date people for a variety of
Speaker 1: other reasons, like maybe they're attracted to us or whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, and then we have this like sexual dysfunction.
Speaker 1: So this poor boss like is having a real problem.
Speaker 1: I have no sympathy for him. I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: like I mean the first scene that he was and
Speaker 1: I was just like, oh god, this is so so
Speaker 1: like what a waste of a scene. But then when
Speaker 1: it like flashed forward to like, oh okay, I'm glad
Speaker 1: that they at least point out that this doesn't work,
Speaker 1: because it doesn't. But then there's a third scene he's
Speaker 1: in where he is trying to look under his employees sir,
Speaker 1: and then he lost me again. Yeah right, Well, he's
Speaker 1: allowing all this sexual harassment to happen, and then he's
Speaker 1: also sexually harassing his employees. His troubles at home, I
Speaker 1: think are are he's allowing himself to feel disdained for
Speaker 1: women in general because of his wife's rejection. He's also
Speaker 1: like and if you've ever worked at a startup where
Speaker 1: the boss is twenty years older than you and then
Speaker 1: every ayone else is twenty four and they're just kind
Speaker 1: of like leering at the general workplace, I've worked for
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys like that who are just like,
Speaker 1: you know, they frame it like, yeah, we're we're all
Speaker 1: friends here. This is a family. If anyone ever calls
Speaker 1: your workplace a family, you're in a toxic workplace. But
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, we're all fam here, and like you
Speaker 1: don't have insurance? Are you? Guys? Fucking what's going? And
Speaker 1: it's just like always a creepy older dude whose home
Speaker 1: life is bad. And then he's like, let me see
Speaker 1: if I can get my twentysomething your old employees to
Speaker 1: funk each other and tell me about it, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's for us, just to hear about their fucking Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's upsetting. And also in the workplace is that
Speaker 1: scene where just no women acts rationally in this movie
Speaker 1: just blanket statement. So when the three women basically the
Speaker 1: fucking what's the group in Greece? Oh? What are they?
Speaker 1: The poodle Friends? What are they call? Yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: poodle Friends. They're like the poodle friends of computer dot com.
Speaker 1: And they're like, hey, did you hear that Josh Hartnett
Speaker 1: isn't fucking anymore? And then one is like, well see
Speaker 1: about that, which is like why do that? She corners
Speaker 1: Josh Hartnett in a room that is the walls are glass,
Speaker 1: so everyone in the workplace is watching her and try
Speaker 1: to seduce. She photocopies her own embarrassing Before that, she
Speaker 1: spreads her legs wide eagle and it's like, check out
Speaker 1: my butterfly tattoo right next to my puss. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get another tattoo on the other side by the
Speaker 1: Like if women, I also believe, as much as it's
Speaker 1: problematic to even care, I also believe that if women
Speaker 1: really did want him to lose this bet, they could
Speaker 1: have done a much better job. It's like they have
Speaker 1: no subtlety. Each one of them is like, I'm going
Speaker 1: to make you lose this bet, and here's my boobs,
Speaker 1: and it's like, don't tell someone you're gonna make them
Speaker 1: lose the bed. You've got to trick them into this.
Speaker 1: You don't start with like they're so bad at it.
Speaker 1: It's like yeah, I mean well, it's like yeah, because
Speaker 1: like women are in the movie are also stupid as
Speaker 1: they're just they're malicious and dumb and horny and mean.
Speaker 1: All the women you speak in this movie, aside from Erica,
Speaker 1: because we'll get into her in a minute, but all
Speaker 1: the women who aren't Erica fall into I think one
Speaker 1: of like four categories. It's either a conniving bitch, which
Speaker 1: is like the ex girlfriend Nicole. It's like the colleague
Speaker 1: who like evilly tries to seduce him by being like,
Speaker 1: here's my butterfly dad too. Um. They are like a
Speaker 1: frigid shrew or a prude type, which would be like
Speaker 1: his boss's wife or Matt's mom who we meet. He
Speaker 1: was like a very prudish, like you can't talk about sex?
Speaker 1: Can I speak to your manager haircut? But she's a
Speaker 1: freak in the bed. She's just she's just she's just
Speaker 1: trying not to tell her sons about it. It's kind
Speaker 1: of strange that they're acting like she's a prude. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: her sons are over and her father, the father is
Speaker 1: like weirdly trying to like talk about their sex life
Speaker 1: to their adult sons now for no reason. To the
Speaker 1: priest's son and the guy with a celibacy valve, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was oh yeah, because there's like a brief tangent
Speaker 1: where like Josh Hartnet's like, I know how to not
Speaker 1: be horny hang out with my parents, but then his
Speaker 1: parents he brings out like a chart of all the
Speaker 1: sexual positions that you can do with his hip surgery
Speaker 1: having happened, and so it's still somehow like turning Josh
Speaker 1: on to watch the little cartoons of people the mom
Speaker 1: does so the mom, I guess I actually does end
Speaker 1: up being horny. Yeah, well that's another categories like horny nympho.
Speaker 1: Basically all the women, the women in the office, the
Speaker 1: women at the coffee shop on like No Bras for
Speaker 1: hot women Day was another hallucination. And that's what I
Speaker 1: want to talk about. There's a lot of stuff in
Speaker 1: this movie where you cannot really tell whether it's a
Speaker 1: hallucination or not. And so it makes me if it's
Speaker 1: the only thing that can redeem any of this is
Speaker 1: if you just pretend that all of it's in his head,
Speaker 1: because it's like, at first, the ceiling cracking is ridiculous
Speaker 1: and that's clearly hallucination. And then and then sometimes women
Speaker 1: are like taking off their shirts in front of him
Speaker 1: on the subway, and we know that's a hallucination. But
Speaker 1: then No broad Day seems to be real. He tells
Speaker 1: his priest brother that it was. It was an official
Speaker 1: is it official or unofficially unofficially sponsored? No No Bras
Speaker 1: for Hot Women Day for the coffee shop for hot women.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, who's the one who determines who gets
Speaker 1: to participate in this day? Whose feelings are hurt? Hopefully
Speaker 1: it's the honor system like a hot woman? You know it?
Speaker 1: You know, we need a revision on this now national holiday.
Speaker 1: I think we should do this in general, you know
Speaker 1: more no broad Day. I'm fine with that, I think, No. Sure.
Speaker 1: The other thing that he thinks his fake is actually
Speaker 1: but is actually real as his brother hooking up with
Speaker 1: the nut Oh yes, where he thinks he has but
Speaker 1: that was real, right, And then his brother is like, actually,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be a priest, which I thought
Speaker 1: was kind of funny. He needs psychiatric medication. And that's
Speaker 1: the thing, is like, if this movie is all in
Speaker 1: his head, he's very sick. And the twist of the
Speaker 1: end is this is really sort of a Memento esque thing,
Speaker 1: like the whole thing was a hallucination and that's the
Speaker 1: only reason that it wouln't make any sense. Also, Josh Harten,
Speaker 1: it's like tribal back tach too. Oh my god, oh god. Um.
Speaker 1: And then the other the other category that women fall
Speaker 1: into is like kind of like the gullible idiot. It's
Speaker 1: basically any woman who Ryan tries to date, because Ryan's like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm mind orgasmic, and then she's like, oh, nine, no,
Speaker 1: I guess make my set. So like she's just like
Speaker 1: believing anything that he all the lies that he's feeding
Speaker 1: her to get her into bed. So it's these like
Speaker 1: wildly reductive tropes that all these women fall into. Let's
Speaker 1: take a quick break and then we'll come back more
Speaker 1: to discuss, and we're back. Take your back out now
Speaker 1: to take him out, put back, just to keep you
Speaker 1: on your toes. I wanna talk about Nicole's character. We've
Speaker 1: alluded to this already, but the opening sequence of the
Speaker 1: movie is a bunch of home video that Matt took
Speaker 1: when he was in a relationship with Nicole, and then
Speaker 1: we see him watching it back six months after she
Speaker 1: has broken up with him, and he's still stalking her
Speaker 1: and broken up about it. But the video is so
Speaker 1: weirdly telling where it's like it starts out where it's
Speaker 1: like they're happy, they're in San Francisco, they're working turtlenext
Speaker 1: it's great, but then you see the video over time
Speaker 1: where she he seems to be invading her space. Like
Speaker 1: there's he's filming her sleep and she wakes up and
Speaker 1: she's like no, stop doing that, and he's like no,
Speaker 1: and he gets closer and then she's like stop, and
Speaker 1: then it's like she's in the bathroom and a towel
Speaker 1: and he's filming her and she like closes the door.
Speaker 1: So in my head, it's like, Okay, that is someone
Speaker 1: you would break up with who would do that. But
Speaker 1: I think we're supposed to think like, oh, she was
Speaker 1: like mean to him, like we feel bad she was
Speaker 1: pushing him away, right, and implies then it was like
Speaker 1: somehow her like it's on her and she was cruel
Speaker 1: to him. And then the way he treats her throughout
Speaker 1: the movie is like he definitely is obsessed with her.
Speaker 1: They're still pictures of her all over the apartment six
Speaker 1: months later, not healthy the whole like no, he's planning
Speaker 1: for her things like so tired. But I mean it
Speaker 1: also is like called out in the movie as like
Speaker 1: not good behavior. But I feel like that's that comes
Speaker 1: from his roommate Ryan, who and his brother. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: those guys are just like I mean, especially the Ryan
Speaker 1: character who's just like this toxic dude who's constantly making
Speaker 1: statements like men be like this, women be like this.
Speaker 1: Men are supposed to come and that's just how men are.
Speaker 1: There's like all these like very these are the two genders,
Speaker 1: and here's what they do to sex, as we haven't
Speaker 1: even thought about gender by this year, just the idea
Speaker 1: that like, you start off like watching it now, seeming
Speaker 1: like she is a fairly rational person. And then she
Speaker 1: does the whole Spider Man too thing where she's like,
Speaker 1: I'm mad, I'm getting married now, and that is somehow
Speaker 1: canonically the Spider Man too thing, and that even your
Speaker 1: engagement is another like strike on women, it's another women
Speaker 1: stuck thing, because it's like, oh, this guy is clearly
Speaker 1: just a rich dude. She's left him for just for
Speaker 1: some dude for his money basically, and that's like, that's
Speaker 1: like a weirdly like stock character too of like the
Speaker 1: guy that you know she left you for, he's always
Speaker 1: like rich and he's always a dick dick he usually
Speaker 1: looks like James Marsden. Uh. And then and then the
Speaker 1: leap of logically we find out from Ryan that she's
Speaker 1: being cheated on, and so it's like the story is
Speaker 1: constantly taking revenge on this woman that started out by
Speaker 1: not really doing much wrong, and then she's just total
Speaker 1: He'll turn at the end where she's just turned into
Speaker 1: an absolute rapist in in a way that doesn't make
Speaker 1: sense with anything we know about her. But we don't
Speaker 1: really know anything. We do see the scene where she
Speaker 1: first comes over to be like, well, yeah, we were
Speaker 1: not engaged anymore. He's cheating on me. Do you want
Speaker 1: to have sex? And then he says no, actually I've
Speaker 1: got this forty days thing going. I've got this girl.
Speaker 1: And she's like, I am so turned on by being
Speaker 1: rejected by you. That like, but that doesn't make sense
Speaker 1: with anything we know about her. That it's just here.
Speaker 1: Oh it doesn't make nothing makes sense. But it's just
Speaker 1: like this is how they use her character to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm so turned on by you. Now even if you
Speaker 1: close the door, I'm just gonna be out here moaning
Speaker 1: even harder because of the rejection. And so somehow that
Speaker 1: is her then motivation to go place this bet and
Speaker 1: win this money is like the sexual rejection has so
Speaker 1: consulted but also turned her on. But that seemed like
Speaker 1: leading up to him, like standing up for herself and
Speaker 1: then she gets like horned up by someone yelling at her,
Speaker 1: which great message before that, like his monologue that I'm
Speaker 1: thinking that it's like we're supposed to be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: good for you, Josh Hartnett. Is that like she's like,
Speaker 1: you're saying no to me, and then he says, you
Speaker 1: always do this to me. I must be the idiot
Speaker 1: because I keep coming back, but I'm not coming back anymore.
Speaker 1: You take everything from me, Like she just broke up
Speaker 1: with you because you were a lot, and here you
Speaker 1: are being a fucking lot again. But then it's like
Speaker 1: her character is not written to follow any That's how
Speaker 1: That's how a lot of men feel about women, is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if if they have some kind of relationship, and then
Speaker 1: you took everything from me, and it's like, what is
Speaker 1: that feeling? That's like a thesis statement on that character,
Speaker 1: Like that's how he feels about. Whoever wrote this movie
Speaker 1: clearly feels about women, is like, yeah, these vampires are
Speaker 1: just out here to get us, right, and then it's
Speaker 1: like I'll prove a point by writing female characters to
Speaker 1: be this, to be this. Yeah, and then speaking of
Speaker 1: irrational behavior, can we get into Erica. Yeah, yeah, let's
Speaker 1: get and we haven't talked about her at all. It's
Speaker 1: almost like she's boring and we don't know anything better.
Speaker 1: It sounds like she's a shell of a character. So
Speaker 1: in most scenes that she is in, she is getting
Speaker 1: enraged about something for no reason. She's constantly behaving very irrationally,
Speaker 1: and it makes little to no sense. So the first
Speaker 1: she gets mad at him three different times. The first
Speaker 1: time is when she finds out about his vow. I
Speaker 1: don't know why she's so piste off again because they've
Speaker 1: only met once once or twice maybe before two times
Speaker 1: at the laundrom Matt and then she was like, how
Speaker 1: dare you not tell me that you're giving up something
Speaker 1: for lent? Like and then she is furious. I'm like,
Speaker 1: are we are you guys religious? Like he doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like and they've met two times and then she finds
Speaker 1: out about it on the internet and then she's furious
Speaker 1: at him. Her getting so enraged by that doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense, but it's clear like the writer of this
Speaker 1: movie is like, well, we have to like find conflicts
Speaker 1: them where so it will make her because women be
Speaker 1: getting mad all the time. So then for reasons that
Speaker 1: are not clear, she decides that she's not mad at
Speaker 1: him anymore and she's going to hang out with him again. Then,
Speaker 1: for reasons that are not clear. It's like every other
Speaker 1: sentences anyone doing anything in this aren't really Then she
Speaker 1: gets mad at him whenever she finds out about his
Speaker 1: ex girlfriend, and this happens on their second date. So
Speaker 1: he has not told her that he has dated other people,
Speaker 1: and she is furious about it. So she keeps being like,
Speaker 1: you said that you were honest, but you keep lying
Speaker 1: about things or withholding the truth, and that's why I'm
Speaker 1: mad at you. But like, you're not obligated to tell
Speaker 1: someone on a second date. You're an entire dating history.
Speaker 1: It's extremely emotionally immature movie. And like because yeah, it's
Speaker 1: acting as if as soon as you meet someone you
Speaker 1: know at first sight that you're in love with out
Speaker 1: having a conversation, and now at this point you should
Speaker 1: then tell them everything about yourself. You should each merge completely.
Speaker 1: It's a very weird lesbian impulse almost like that that's
Speaker 1: how that that's how this should be perceived, that's how
Speaker 1: she seems. It's like, how have you not told me everything?
Speaker 1: About you. I thought we were in love and getting
Speaker 1: married and this isn't him and we should be It's
Speaker 1: exactly and like her motivations adjust to his mission in
Speaker 1: a way that doesn't I just just I mean, nothing
Speaker 1: is realized. This like if you met someone who didn't
Speaker 1: seem to like you at the laundromat and continue to
Speaker 1: pursue them and they're like, actually, I'm not fucking right now.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I'll see myself out. But she she
Speaker 1: just kind of adjusts to him and says instead that
Speaker 1: like sex doesn't matter and it's only about the kiss,
Speaker 1: and like totally flips the script from like being horny
Speaker 1: to being like, Okay, I'll do what you want, I mean,
Speaker 1: And then they have the sexy flower funk, which is great. Um,
Speaker 1: well before we get to that, because I do want
Speaker 1: to talk about female orgasms and their depiction on screen.
Speaker 1: But um, so, she's gotten mad at him about not
Speaker 1: knowing that he has ever had an ex girlfriend, and
Speaker 1: then again for reasons that are not clear, she decides
Speaker 1: she's not mad anymore. She's gonna hang out with him again.
Speaker 1: And then we see the scene with the flower pedal.
Speaker 1: It's blowing around near her puss and she has an orgasm.
Speaker 1: And then the final I Got mad at You for
Speaker 1: no reason thing happens when Matt gets raped by Nicole
Speaker 1: and then Erica, and then she's just like she's so mad,
Speaker 1: she's so mad, And it's because the movie does not
Speaker 1: treat what happened as rape. The movie. When she comes in,
Speaker 1: he says, oh my god, I just cheated on. I mean,
Speaker 1: he doesn't say cheated, but he's like, I thought it
Speaker 1: was you, and so he doesn't say I was raped.
Speaker 1: So really this is actually a good depiction of how
Speaker 1: men are not reporting their rapes. You know. Here she
Speaker 1: just said I was just raped, Can you call the cops?
Speaker 1: And it said he goes though it was you. So
Speaker 1: he doesn't believe in his own like, you know, he
Speaker 1: doesn't believe that women are capable of agency enough to
Speaker 1: even to call that rape. He's just like, oh, I
Speaker 1: must have fucked her, yeah, even though I was not
Speaker 1: conscious or lucid. So even in his getting raped, he's
Speaker 1: not respecting women. That's really insane about that. And it's
Speaker 1: like it's it's you know, men are raped, that does happen,
Speaker 1: but statistically so much less than women. That it's just
Speaker 1: like another victimizing this character in a way that just
Speaker 1: enables his bad behavior and doesn't make sense. And it's
Speaker 1: more complicated than that. But it's just I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like women in this movie are evil, and they do.
Speaker 1: As the movie goes on, they do more and more
Speaker 1: evil things. And it's only the woman who complies with
Speaker 1: exactly what he wants and helps him accomplish this mission,
Speaker 1: even while he's lying to her and being in, you know,
Speaker 1: doing all this other stuff. She's the one who's like,
Speaker 1: quote unquote rewarded with his filthy boner a month and
Speaker 1: change later. Yeah. Wait, now that I think about it, though,
Speaker 1: when she when when Erica walks into that room and
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, I thought it was I thought it
Speaker 1: was you and not I didn't know it was this
Speaker 1: nicole chick. He's handcuffed to his bedrails at this point,
Speaker 1: and so she either has to be like, wow, so
Speaker 1: you decided to have like kinky handcuff sex for this,
Speaker 1: you know, vow breaking bet losing sex that you had
Speaker 1: with your ex, or hey, why are you handcuffed to
Speaker 1: the can you what? Doesn't question? It doesn't question it.
Speaker 1: It's just like follow ups and could you cheat on me? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess to be fair, she does not realize that
Speaker 1: he had been sexually assaulted, so she's mad on the
Speaker 1: grounds that like, oh, you cheated on me, and if
Speaker 1: that were true, which is not what happened, but let's
Speaker 1: say for argument's sake, that it is. They've hung out
Speaker 1: four times, like she yeah, you're not in a relationship yet,
Speaker 1: like he's not cheating on you. But again, the movie
Speaker 1: is like, well, we have to have like the final
Speaker 1: conflict that we needs to be resolved by the end.
Speaker 1: So like also kind of like the puritanical thing they're
Speaker 1: pushing of, like the longer you don't have sex with someone,
Speaker 1: the purer your bond is, and that sex is like
Speaker 1: this thing that taints relationships, which you know can be
Speaker 1: very true, but it's just the way it's framed is
Speaker 1: weirdly religious, like the that that like well, the you
Speaker 1: know now that they've waited, it's like almost like the
Speaker 1: weird like high school narrative like we have to wait
Speaker 1: until the moment is right and then it'll be perfect.
Speaker 1: It would be together, ever, and this this movie weirdly
Speaker 1: subscribes to that, even though it makes fun of religion
Speaker 1: through the brother character. I don't know. I mean, I
Speaker 1: can't even say religious undertones because it's specifically lends, you know.
Speaker 1: But it's like the forty Days and Nights is there's
Speaker 1: like Jesus asked it for forty days and there's they
Speaker 1: at one point make it a little explicit that they
Speaker 1: kind of are comparing him to Jesus in the ability
Speaker 1: to withstand the sex and and but then so it
Speaker 1: makes me wonder because he's already made himself in to
Speaker 1: a Christ figure. Oh, I'm going to resist sex instead
Speaker 1: of food and water. Even says like I look like
Speaker 1: I'm on the Yeah, when he's when he's handcuffed to
Speaker 1: the bedframe, it's like they've actually you're using imagery Christ
Speaker 1: figure imagery. And it's like that's a little much. Forty
Speaker 1: days and forty nights. That didn't you don't have literary
Speaker 1: themes going on here. I did not hit for me.
Speaker 1: That's fucking nuts. Yeah, I mean, and it's like, yes,
Speaker 1: Jesus did go without food and water, but he was
Speaker 1: jerking off every day. So that's like I've never thought
Speaker 1: about how Jesus was jerking off while he was fasting.
Speaker 1: You can survive in the desert. You have to drink
Speaker 1: your own Are you allowed to drink your own calm?
Speaker 1: If you're fastering loophole, that's how you can drink your
Speaker 1: own bodily fluid calories. Um. But yeah, basically the movie
Speaker 1: is like the movie uses the Erica character as just
Speaker 1: a way by which conflict can happen because she's getting
Speaker 1: so irrationally mad all the time, and they just have
Speaker 1: the formula of a bet, a sex bet movie, And
Speaker 1: they didn't bother doing any of the work to connect
Speaker 1: any of the points. They were just like, she gets
Speaker 1: mad every twenty minutes and then we resolve. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: just didn't bother having reasons for anything right there, Like
Speaker 1: it just has to happen. And like her friendship with
Speaker 1: Maggie Jillen Hall is so weird where there's a scene
Speaker 1: where they're walking together and Eric is talking to her
Speaker 1: about how they haven't had sex yet, and Erica is
Speaker 1: like trying to act like she's cool with it, even
Speaker 1: though it's clear that she's like she would want to
Speaker 1: be having sex, and she's like it's great. It's like
Speaker 1: I'm being treated like an equal. And then her friends
Speaker 1: like that sucks, doesn't it. And she's like it totally sucks,
Speaker 1: and you're just like that is how to wait, how
Speaker 1: did what's the line right before? They feel like I'm
Speaker 1: being treated like an equal just that they're not having sex.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to follow this logic. There's a I don't
Speaker 1: have all the dialog written now that it's uh that
Speaker 1: she's saying, like, you know, I think Maggie Jillen Hall
Speaker 1: characters like, wait, you guys haven't had sex yet, and
Speaker 1: she's like, no, he's like doing this thing. And then
Speaker 1: she and then she Maggie Jolan Hall does the obvious
Speaker 1: two thousand two jug of like what is he gay? Yeah? Well,
Speaker 1: they're like he's got a girlfriend. No he doesn't. He's like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's gay. Some guys are just different about this stuff.
Speaker 1: And that's that's what leads into this conversation, like she's
Speaker 1: not saying it sucks to be treated as an equal,
Speaker 1: just as she's saying it sucks to have sex. But
Speaker 1: I'm just like, man, these are the only some of
Speaker 1: the only two two women exchanges you get in the movie,
Speaker 1: and it's all about like, well, there's not a single
Speaker 1: line of this movie that's not about sex first of all,
Speaker 1: so and sex as it pertained to Jump Hardnet. She's
Speaker 1: specifically at least one man Judge Hardnet. Yeah, there's another
Speaker 1: moment of casual homophobia earlier on, where Ryan the roommate
Speaker 1: is talking to Matt and he's like, you just never
Speaker 1: going to work out for you. You can go on
Speaker 1: two dates without a kiss and pass it old fashioned,
Speaker 1: you go three, You're a home so very cool casual
Speaker 1: the phobia of the early two to five people to
Speaker 1: find a romantic comedy of the early two thousand's that
Speaker 1: doesn't have at least two instances of casual homophobia. Indeed,
Speaker 1: another thing I wanted to point out is that a
Speaker 1: large part of the date that takes place on the
Speaker 1: bus is seen in like montage forms, so we don't
Speaker 1: hear her talking like this is when we would be
Speaker 1: learning things about her character, hearing what she has to say,
Speaker 1: her talking about her interest, stuff like that, but we
Speaker 1: don't we hear music over a montage instead, So like
Speaker 1: a deliberate choice was made in the edit of this movie,
Speaker 1: or in the writing or whatever that we like one
Speaker 1: of the few opportunities we would have to get to
Speaker 1: know this character is robbed from us, and we still
Speaker 1: we still hardly know anything about her except that she
Speaker 1: gets mad all the time, irrationally. Well that's a woman
Speaker 1: right there for you. You know, I'm getting mad all
Speaker 1: the time. We just get mad, and who cares about
Speaker 1: anything about And then the and then the final the
Speaker 1: way the whole story ends, the final beat is that
Speaker 1: Matt is like, oh yeah, it probably even shouldn't have
Speaker 1: done this whole stupid vow thing. What I should have
Speaker 1: done this whole time is this? And then he pounces
Speaker 1: on her surprise, kisses her. The movie frames it as
Speaker 1: if it's like the big romantic moment, the huge reconciliation.
Speaker 1: She hasn't really forgiven him, right, like that hasn't been
Speaker 1: a super But as soon as his lips plant on
Speaker 1: her baby, she forgives. She's so irrationally mad, she's probably
Speaker 1: been on her period or whatever. I mean, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: she just got off the pill for the first time
Speaker 1: in several years, and it's just like she's free bleeding.
Speaker 1: Well what are we to make of that as like
Speaker 1: a lesson? Like because that's how they're presenting it, by
Speaker 1: him saying, what I should have done this whole time?
Speaker 1: It's implying that he shouldn't have done this, bet that
Speaker 1: that wasn't healthy or good for him. That if you
Speaker 1: meet a cute girl who smiles at you with the
Speaker 1: launch a room, the proper thing, the correct thing to
Speaker 1: have done, would have been to just kiss her from
Speaker 1: the get go and start sucking when it is all yeah,
Speaker 1: that is like the whole logic of like the only
Speaker 1: way to get over someone is to get under someone else.
Speaker 1: Like that wasn't working because the ceiling was caving in.
Speaker 1: But maybe with the right girl. The ceiling caved in
Speaker 1: the right at the right girl whose personality we don't
Speaker 1: know and we don't get mental gymnastics. It has to
Speaker 1: be the right look basically, the girl who's hot enough.
Speaker 1: This God, this one is just a disaster. I like
Speaker 1: I I just wish that Josh Hartnet had stayed in
Speaker 1: the room with his trains for a couple of days,
Speaker 1: really confronted and dedated, like made some trains, and then
Speaker 1: been like, you know, maybe I am ready to get
Speaker 1: back out there, but it just wasn't. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: in that tech bro environment. It's hard to just be
Speaker 1: with your trains. Sometimes. I love that the directile dysfunction
Speaker 1: doesn't really come up. He can still get it hard.
Speaker 1: I think it would be too much for men to
Speaker 1: deal with if he couldn't get it hard. We weren't
Speaker 1: talking about that. We're still barely talking about that in movies,
Speaker 1: and so instead it was just that he can't come.
Speaker 1: But boners are not a problem. Always get that, supersize
Speaker 1: he has a bone, are at work, he has around
Speaker 1: It's oh yeah, there's that. He comes in with nar
Speaker 1: blazing into a fucking important meeting. If you're like, get
Speaker 1: out of here, you're hard, and he's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: um this happens. So they go to a critical business
Speaker 1: completely erect, horrifying. I don't know. Can we talk briefly
Speaker 1: about the depiction of the of the female orgasm? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I can't talk about this movie much like I'm so
Speaker 1: fascinated about like women straight or whatever, women who have
Speaker 1: sex with men's sex lives, because y'all really aren't coming
Speaker 1: as much as you should be, right, We're not not
Speaker 1: to delf too too deeply into my but but your
Speaker 1: friends know I'm about to say that man has never
Speaker 1: made me come. I've heard that from a lot of
Speaker 1: my lovers. Yeah, so anyway. So at least, at the
Speaker 1: very very very least, the movie I'll choose to remain
Speaker 1: side that tells me everything I need to know. So
Speaker 1: at the very least this movie acknowledges that the female
Speaker 1: orgasm exists, because most movies don't even bother to acknowledge
Speaker 1: that it's a thing. I don't think this movie handles
Speaker 1: it well. But we do see two female orgasms. One
Speaker 1: in the beginning whenever she's like, come with me, we
Speaker 1: gotta have a simulgeneous come fish. Yeah, so that was
Speaker 1: pretty empowering, guess, but she also is made to seem
Speaker 1: like a crazy person. I'm surprised she didn't lick the
Speaker 1: white out to see if it was coming on. There
Speaker 1: wasn't a few things yeah, where it's like, well, she
Speaker 1: did initiate the sexty. Don't get to see women initiate often.
Speaker 1: But then of course she ended up being crazy, like
Speaker 1: she was calling the shots during the sex I was like,
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool, like, but then it just takes this
Speaker 1: very sinister turn right any Like, women initially being presented
Speaker 1: as being sex positive ends up that they she's a demon.
Speaker 1: She's actually a demon from crazy. So that's the first
Speaker 1: female orgasm we see, and that ends up being demonized
Speaker 1: because she's or the movie wants you to think she's crazy.
Speaker 1: The second one is the scene we already touched on
Speaker 1: a little bit where he's got Also, I think this
Speaker 1: scene with the orchid pedal would violate the terms of
Speaker 1: his voweve because he says no sexual intimacy of any
Speaker 1: kind if you were blowing around a pedal on a
Speaker 1: naked woman. This is like more just like, but stuff
Speaker 1: doesn't count. Stuff the whole movie, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't count. It is worth thing. Now I'm like
Speaker 1: looking into on the Wikipedia article. Apparently, uh, this sex
Speaker 1: scene was voted one of the top ten worst sex
Speaker 1: scenes in movies. Ever, it is still silly. It's silly.
Speaker 1: I don't think I was kind of horny for it.
Speaker 1: I was watching it next to my hot girlfriends, so
Speaker 1: maybe that, but I was like I was alone and
Speaker 1: I was still like pretty good, yeah, talked and worse.
Speaker 1: What are they talking about? I mean, well, okay, shamers,
Speaker 1: they just hate female orgasms, yeah, they I love it.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the only sex scene I've ever
Speaker 1: seen in a movie where the women comes and the
Speaker 1: man doesn't. That's a good point. There go the becktail test.
Speaker 1: But sometimes we can that as close as we get.
Speaker 1: But this movie is also perpetuating the idea that women
Speaker 1: just come all the time without cliptoral stimulation. It doesn't
Speaker 1: show bad habits, So okay, there there may be some
Speaker 1: women out there who can achieve orgasm if a flower
Speaker 1: pedal is blown around near your posts. I don't want
Speaker 1: to shame anyone who comes that way, but that is
Speaker 1: usually I'm saying, not enough. Yeah, and then the woman
Speaker 1: Usually a man's got to flop his hand all over
Speaker 1: your vagina for five minutes and then you're like whoa,
Speaker 1: and they're like, I did it. But then also in
Speaker 1: the first thing where we see a woman have an orgasm,
Speaker 1: he's not doing anything to stimulate her c literal region
Speaker 1: there are he's hallucinating, he's like on panic attack, and
Speaker 1: she's she's like, yeah, I think only around twenty per
Speaker 1: cent of women are able to achieve orgasm just through
Speaker 1: vaginal penetration. And joke about this and I'm doing so
Speaker 1: it's it's not like, honestly great for that, but for them,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's true. I just think that men
Speaker 1: haven't figured out how to do it. Like, are the
Speaker 1: odds really that, like some of us are special the
Speaker 1: chosen people? Or is it that okay? But if men
Speaker 1: didn't know that women could come at all until the sixties,
Speaker 1: if we thought the clip was a you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, like that some could come at all until
Speaker 1: I was an he want so of course, of course,
Speaker 1: like more women can. It's just that like they're the
Speaker 1: only ones who've had good lovers, who've been using their
Speaker 1: fingers enough and stuff like that, Like I've made women
Speaker 1: come vaginally. It's because I'm using my fingers and I'm
Speaker 1: like paying a lot of attention and it's not about
Speaker 1: me coming, so like it's it's just the men, you guys,
Speaker 1: and they're not one in five or four women could know.
Speaker 1: I'm feeling very empowered. I can't believe how bad women
Speaker 1: straight women sex life still are. I really thought men
Speaker 1: had gotten better, I thought with all the sexual but
Speaker 1: the more I talk to people individually and his audiences,
Speaker 1: I'm like, God, no, it's and there it really is,
Speaker 1: like that fear of emasculating a man by telling him
Speaker 1: he's doing Are we afraid of emasculating I haven't emasculated
Speaker 1: become violent. But I mean, don't you gotta break up
Speaker 1: with these I have a joke about like a guy
Speaker 1: getting because this is based on a true story, A
Speaker 1: guy like got frustrated and almost mad at me because
Speaker 1: he didn't make me come. Yeah, I've that Seriously, I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the sex story? I think you're mad at yourself? Yeah,
Speaker 1: where it out? But like if someone is willing to
Speaker 1: do to like blame you for them not making you come,
Speaker 1: It's like I don't want to have this discussion with
Speaker 1: this person. I don't like because people like kid, I'm
Speaker 1: just like you guys are like you guys are dangerous. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I just stop having sex altogether. Yeah, is in
Speaker 1: forty nights times, however many you need. I might start
Speaker 1: dating women. You probably should try it just for this,
Speaker 1: just to learn more about your body and sex, and
Speaker 1: then try to go back to the men and teach
Speaker 1: some things. I also don't see why all women aren't
Speaker 1: just having sex with I mean, I'm not I don't
Speaker 1: mean this in a hornball way right now. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to come on you guys, but I just mean, like,
Speaker 1: why aren't all women just having sex? With each other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I am. I think it would be very strengthening because
Speaker 1: if we want to win the more against men, which
Speaker 1: there is one um, we should probably bond together. We
Speaker 1: should probably stop having sex with most of them, get
Speaker 1: better genes, for one thing. Have y'all seen Birds the
Speaker 1: hitch Cot not the movie, like, I just mean in general, yes,
Speaker 1: the birds in Planet or So. I think it's even
Speaker 1: like in the first episode where it's like the females
Speaker 1: of these and there's a lot of different bird species
Speaker 1: that are like this right where the females are these
Speaker 1: plain brown, ugly little plain brown birds. Not I want
Speaker 1: to say ugly, they're just cute. They're so cute. Sure
Speaker 1: they're playing little brown bird. And then sorry to shame
Speaker 1: our bird listeners out there, female bird listeners, so I
Speaker 1: didn't mean to call you ugly. The males of the
Speaker 1: species evolved to be like blue and green and bright
Speaker 1: and do these crazy gay little dances. They're the gayest
Speaker 1: little dances. Like these these men are so yeah, they're
Speaker 1: doing the most. And then these women just choose between
Speaker 1: those and then it's like I found a one bird
Speaker 1: species where still the girls are a little plain brown
Speaker 1: things and these guys look crazy and colorful. But they
Speaker 1: also the men build these little rape protection huts for
Speaker 1: the women. Okay, so all the little all the gay
Speaker 1: little men birds bright purple and pink, and a little
Speaker 1: already grow a little blurds create they build these little
Speaker 1: rape shield huts. And then the round little birds, when
Speaker 1: they're ready, all come and go pick their little rape
Speaker 1: shield huts. They go, oh, this is mine, this is yours.
Speaker 1: And then they sit there and in these things. And
Speaker 1: then the male birds come out and do their gay
Speaker 1: little dances. And then if they ever, if they get
Speaker 1: to the point where they think one of the women's interested,
Speaker 1: then they go behind them and then they start to try.
Speaker 1: And that's what the rape shildhud comes in, because if
Speaker 1: the woman changes her mind at any point, at any
Speaker 1: point she changes, she doesn't consent anymore. She just flies
Speaker 1: out and the little thing protects her from being like
Speaker 1: he can't really follow her. She has enough time to
Speaker 1: escape because of the design. That's feminism. Now let's go
Speaker 1: in that direction. I say why, and this is why
Speaker 1: these insults want to kill us, because we have ideas
Speaker 1: like this. Seriously, like these birds, they have to cut incredible.
Speaker 1: I love that. Wait, I want to I know more.
Speaker 1: There's a spider species where, you know, because the women
Speaker 1: are like large keeping the women and not like females.
Speaker 1: I like, so the little men ones um are they
Speaker 1: do this thing where they first of all, they shoot
Speaker 1: spiderweb around their legs, so there's a kind of bondage
Speaker 1: element to it so that the women can't immediately bite
Speaker 1: their heads off, which is what they will do with
Speaker 1: A malee just approaches, but first he ties her legs up,
Speaker 1: which seems bad. But then they go down on the
Speaker 1: women for up to an hour. Whoa because if he
Speaker 1: if they do it well enough, then she'll be too
Speaker 1: tired and drowsy to bite his head off. He can
Speaker 1: get close enough, he can get close enough to shoot
Speaker 1: his load, and then she'll be like kind of drowsy
Speaker 1: from it and she won't buy his head off and
Speaker 1: he can get away or at least they usually still die,
Speaker 1: but at least he can get a seat in before
Speaker 1: she's able to get his head off. That is incredible. See, man,
Speaker 1: what have we done as humans all wrong? I'm the
Speaker 1: one who's like putting on makeup and like aman, no,
Speaker 1: we have to unionize. Yeah, we have to I mean,
Speaker 1: we have to have some of the good I just
Speaker 1: want to have good sex once in my life and
Speaker 1: don't try. I mean, I've heard Lesbian's joke about this
Speaker 1: and like tod those like, Honestly, maybe we do need
Speaker 1: to do some training camps for men. I mean, like
Speaker 1: the conversion therapy camps make it how sting and tonguing damps,
Speaker 1: like the oral and manual skills really need to be
Speaker 1: educating these straight men because I don't realize how good
Speaker 1: a sex I was there, you know every time, because
Speaker 1: I like have considered dating men and never and straight
Speaker 1: women every time I mentioned it are just like, don't
Speaker 1: why would you even? It's not worth it. You'll get
Speaker 1: nothing out of that. So it's a recommend we've got
Speaker 1: to wrap up pretty. This movie is so bad, it's wretched.
Speaker 1: Uh the other thing you want to talk about? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't even if I did, I don't want to
Speaker 1: talk about this movie anymore. This movie is very it's exhausting.
Speaker 1: It's bad in every way a movie can dad so
Speaker 1: I know, and everywhere beautiful. Uh. Oh. The one quick
Speaker 1: person I wanted to bring up was the absurdity of
Speaker 1: bagel boy. Um. Bagel Boy that was one of the
Speaker 1: because he is he somehow has like the misogynist tea
Speaker 1: on every woman in San Francisco, knows everything about every woman.
Speaker 1: As he's setting up these bagels, which is his job
Speaker 1: to go into this tech company and put five bagels
Speaker 1: on a bagel stand and leave, he does it. He
Speaker 1: talks about fucking a woman and he'll go so there's
Speaker 1: always a match on action when he goes, fuck her,
Speaker 1: fuck her, fuck her, slamming a bagel onto the holder,
Speaker 1: and that's over the top. It's edited, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: this is done on purpose, but it's so jarring. When
Speaker 1: he's placing the bagels, it's edited to be so loud
Speaker 1: where he's just like, yeah, you know, so I sucked
Speaker 1: during her hole that it's like this loud, like steel
Speaker 1: sounding bagel hit. It's oh god, bagel boy canceled. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: oh my god. This this is just such a piece
Speaker 1: of so people probably we should just no one should
Speaker 1: ever watch this. Yeah, do not not even as a
Speaker 1: hate watch. It's just it's it's draining. Maybe watch the
Speaker 1: sex scene. Yeah, the sex. The sex scene is on
Speaker 1: YouTube's keep the rest. You should have your listeners tell
Speaker 1: you if they like that sex scene. He's like, I can't.
Speaker 1: I don't understand why it's top ten worst just a
Speaker 1: list made by a man. Yeah, yeah, a man doesn't
Speaker 1: come and a woman does. Yeah, this is a goose
Speaker 1: sex scene. I've ever seen flowers and I thought, I
Speaker 1: truly the more we're talking about them like that was
Speaker 1: I was on board for that. And you never get
Speaker 1: to see women come on screen ever, true, so that
Speaker 1: at least there's that. Also, you know, everyone involved in
Speaker 1: this movie was a man. Cannot find I hope, so
Speaker 1: I was. I was like, if a woman wrote on this,
Speaker 1: I don't want to know about it. I know, just
Speaker 1: I was like, is this going to be yet another
Speaker 1: Catherine Bigelow betrayal of her gender? No? It was directed
Speaker 1: by a man, produced by men, written by a man,
Speaker 1: composed cinematography everything is I'm not, and distributed by Miramax.
Speaker 1: So you know, just rapist top to bottom. I'm not
Speaker 1: implying everyone who worked on this movie was the last
Speaker 1: thing I guess I had to say about it. It's like,
Speaker 1: technically the temptation in this movie is supposed to be sex,
Speaker 1: but the movie completely conflates sex with women like they
Speaker 1: treat them like they're the same thing. So women are
Speaker 1: the temptation and they like embody the temptation of sex
Speaker 1: and nothing else. I'm go go. We didn't even talk
Speaker 1: about that scene where it's like, I think his last
Speaker 1: day or next to his last day of his vow
Speaker 1: and he's just like seeing naked women all over the street.
Speaker 1: You see all these topless women. There's so much like
Speaker 1: male game cinematography in this movie, and it's just like,
Speaker 1: are you fine? But it was filmed like a nightmare
Speaker 1: secret Yeah it was. He was like running through the
Speaker 1: city like there are too many titties. I also think
Speaker 1: that if The Boom World were made today, it would
Speaker 1: be asked world. That's just myne I think that there
Speaker 1: it would be poorly rendered as let everyone baby, Hey,
Speaker 1: this movie passes the back to test, sure doesn't um.
Speaker 1: There are women talking in it, However, they're always talking
Speaker 1: about Matt and his sex life. There are I counted
Speaker 1: five different conversations between Erica and Maggie jellen Hall's character,
Speaker 1: who's I don't know if we've learned her name ever,
Speaker 1: but they talked five different times about Matt. Every single time,
Speaker 1: it's always like, oh, you met this guy? Oh he
Speaker 1: gave you high five. Oh he gave you an orgasm.
Speaker 1: Oh it's your first time. Oh he brought you a gift.
Speaker 1: Jellan Hall is a fucking plot machine. And the only
Speaker 1: reason we know anything about Erica at all is because
Speaker 1: the cyber nanny job is a plot element to get
Speaker 1: her to be mad at him, because that's how she
Speaker 1: learns about it. Otherwise I don't think we would have
Speaker 1: learned about So the one fact that we know about
Speaker 1: her in their journey to being in love is this
Speaker 1: job that is only a plot device. I bet that that,
Speaker 1: like in the writing of the movie, that cyber nanny
Speaker 1: thing was added in later when they're like, oh, how
Speaker 1: would she find out? Oh, this would make men internet. Also,
Speaker 1: this is also the same director as Heather's Yes, I
Speaker 1: saw that. Well, let's fred it on our nipple scale. Nipples. Uh,
Speaker 1: this gets like negative nipples and forty asked cheeks. We're
Speaker 1: petting asked checks into the I'm gonna do negative forty
Speaker 1: nipples forty butts because that trips off the tongue for pimples.
Speaker 1: Forty nipples and forty is my reboot. Very White movie
Speaker 1: takes place in San Francisco, and yet everyone is white.
Speaker 1: There's like a couple. I think she that actress, Um,
Speaker 1: Shannon Sesamon is mixed. I know she's at least partially Filipino. Um,
Speaker 1: but she was hot. We would never find out enough
Speaker 1: about Eric. She's sing something else, She's in Rules of Attraction,
Speaker 1: She's in A Night's Tale, She's in a bunch of
Speaker 1: movies right around this time. And then I was never
Speaker 1: seen from or heard from again. This was probably the
Speaker 1: last straw. I can't do this anymore. But yeah, very
Speaker 1: very white, very hetero movie, and um yeah, everything about it,
Speaker 1: every fucking last moment of this movie is a disaster. Well, Ariel,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. Uh sorry again
Speaker 1: for having made you watch this movie. But then I
Speaker 1: know where can people follow you online? Is there anything
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