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Speaker 1: What's up everybody? It is the moodest KITS podcast is

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Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks lie solo when not really solo. I am

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Speaker 1: here with my trustee producer Ken Brown. He's filling in

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Speaker 1: because our guy DJ um had a little travel to day.

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Speaker 1: What happened with DJ Kent? Yeah, he got stuck in

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Speaker 1: still make a really good argument that he's the best

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Speaker 1: running back in the NFL, and if he is, this

433
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Speaker 1: is quite a good deal for the Jets. You know,

434
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Speaker 1: you didn't have to put forty million of guaranteed money.

435
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Speaker 1: It wasn't an eighty million dollar contract. It was a

436
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Speaker 1: reasonable contract. And Levian Bell in the last five six

437
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Speaker 1: years has been as good as any running back in

438
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Speaker 1: the league. And so now if you're the Jets, you

439
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Speaker 1: pair that with a quarterback that you believe in, and

440
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Speaker 1: you start looking around to the quarterbacks who were drafted

441
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Speaker 1: last year. We mentioned Mayfield, he has a ton of

442
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Speaker 1: weapons to work with. Sam Donald, it starts to look

443
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Speaker 1: like he has a good bit of weapons to work with.

444
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,359
Speaker 1: You look at Lamar Jackson. They go and get mark Ingram.

445
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,000
Speaker 1: That's a nice running back to help him in Baltimore.

446
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Speaker 1: The Bills, we'll have to see what they do in

447
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,360
Speaker 1: the draft, but Josh Allen needs some weapons. And then

448
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Speaker 1: assuming let's say Kyler Murray ends up in Arizona, you

449
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,879
Speaker 1: have David Johnson that you need a lot of receivers.

450
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Speaker 1: It does look like Donald for those young quarterbacks, maybe

451
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Speaker 1: outside of Mayfield is next in line for just having

452
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Speaker 1: a good bit of talented playmakers to work with. I

453
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Speaker 1: think you bring up a good point. I think lost

454
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Speaker 1: in all the conversation about leave Bill's contract has been

455
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Speaker 1: the fact that he is arguably one of the best

456
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Speaker 1: running backs in NFL history. His yards per his scrimmage

457
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Speaker 1: ars per game is the highest International Football League over

458
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Speaker 1: Jim Brown, over Barry Sanders, over Wald Payton. Levon Bill

459
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Speaker 1: is number one in the league in the category. And

460
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Speaker 1: so when we cast our eyes back to number twenty

461
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Speaker 1: six and think about what he is on the field,

462
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Speaker 1: you have to remember this is a dominant player, a

463
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Speaker 1: transcendent player, someone that certainly can help the New York Jets.

464
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Speaker 1: And also he has a chip on his shoulder. Now,

465
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Speaker 1: this is a guy who sat out all year the Steelers.

466
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Speaker 1: I'm sure in his mind they disrespected him by not

467
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Speaker 1: giving him the deal he wanted. So now he gets

468
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Speaker 1: to go to the Jets, and you would think, motivation wise,

469
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Speaker 1: he'll come and bring it because he got his money,

470
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Speaker 1: which sometimes hurts some players, But I look at levy

471
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Speaker 1: On Bell as a guy. Not many guys sit out

472
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Speaker 1: a full year on a potential Super Bowl winning team.

473
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Speaker 1: Because the Steelers had super Bowl talent on their roster

474
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Speaker 1: and then go somewhere else. So he has a lot

475
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Speaker 1: to prove, not just to the Jets, but also to

476
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Speaker 1: a lot of people around the league that might be

477
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Speaker 1: doubting him. Yeah, he has a lot to prove, and

478
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Speaker 1: I think this is a situation where he uh comes

479
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Speaker 1: out swinging with his back against the wall. He does

480
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Speaker 1: have to prove to be able to he's still the

481
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Speaker 1: top running back in the league and he still is

482
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Speaker 1: at RB one wide receiver two that he had talked

483
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Speaker 1: about didn't get necessarily the money that he wanted. Sprised

484
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Speaker 1: by that I'm gonna be more. No, I didn't think

485
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Speaker 1: it was gonna be more. I thought like he was

486
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Speaker 1: kind of fighting an uphill battle. And look, I am

487
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Speaker 1: a huge Left Bill fan, um, but I think it's

488
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Speaker 1: it's hard to walk away from fourteen and a half

489
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Speaker 1: million and to think that at twenty seven as a

490
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Speaker 1: running back that you can surpass that. Uh, the market

491
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Speaker 1: end up being a little soft for him. I still

492
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Speaker 1: think he is the best running back in football. I

493
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Speaker 1: just don't know if I would have been able to

494
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Speaker 1: sit out fourteen for a year with fourteen and a

495
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Speaker 1: half million on the table. But I do also understand

496
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Speaker 1: the counterpoint that our colleague M J. D made Marice

497
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Speaker 1: Jones Drew said, look, if he has another year, we

498
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Speaker 1: had over four hundred touches, Um, would he command the

499
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Speaker 1: same kind of money because we would have viewed him

500
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Speaker 1: as kind of an aging product with all of the

501
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Speaker 1: tread almost off the tire, and so six on one hand,

502
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Speaker 1: half a dozen on the other. Don't know if there's

503
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Speaker 1: ever a right answer. Uh, he will get a chance

504
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Speaker 1: to address it by the way that he plays. And

505
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: I'll say, growing up in Pittsburgh and then spending some

506
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Speaker 1: time up in New York, fourteen million goes a lot

507
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: more in Pittsburgh than it does in New York, New Jersey,

508
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 1: it goes, it goes a lot, a lot farther. Um, Well,

509
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Speaker 1: we'll see how he kind of manages it or whatever.

510
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: But I can't wait to see him on the field. Um.

511
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Speaker 1: Last free agent will trade thing that we need to

512
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Speaker 1: talk about. D four going to the San Francisco forty Niners. Uh,

513
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Speaker 1: the forty Niners give up a second round pick to

514
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Speaker 1: bring in I think a talented pass rusher. A guy

515
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Speaker 1: wear thirteen sacks. According next Gen stats, he had ten

516
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 1: forced turnovers, be at forced fumbles or interceptions, that were

517
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Speaker 1: a result of his pressure impact player. This is a

518
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Speaker 1: position that they've been trying to address for years, trying

519
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: to find someone who could get home. They really haven't

520
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: had a dominant pass rusher since old and Smith had

521
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 1: his issues and wasn't able to finish out his career

522
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Speaker 1: with the forty nine ers. They have needed a double

523
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: digit sack artist, a guy that can just kind of

524
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Speaker 1: put his hand in the dirt and go hunted quarterback.

525
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: Dford can do that, and last year, I know people

526
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Speaker 1: are worried about will he be able to do it?

527
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: Is he kind of a one trick pony? Is your

528
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: one year wonder? Last year he wasn't even fully healthy

529
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Speaker 1: and he was able to get thirteen sex new environment

530
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: in a system that has conduced to him really uh,

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Speaker 1: kind of pinning his ears back and hunted quarterback. I

532
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: think it's a great move for the forty niners and

533
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: it still gives them the flexibility to add another pass

534
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Speaker 1: rusher at number two in the draft. Yeah, he's a

535
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Speaker 1: game record, He's a guy that when he's healthy, he's

536
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Speaker 1: a big difference. And this is a franchise a couple

537
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 1: of regimes now, but they've tried to address this D

538
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Speaker 1: line issue year and a year out. Clearly to Forrest

539
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 1: Buckner has been a star. Eric Armstread was a first

540
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: round pick. Solomon Thomas hasn't quite worked out so far.

541
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Speaker 1: They've devoted a lot of resources to edge rushers and

542
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Speaker 1: inside rushers on the D line. And now if you

543
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Speaker 1: add d Ford and let's say a Nick Bosa or

544
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Speaker 1: Quinnin Williams or Josh Allen, yeah you like it. That's

545
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that can go after the quarterback

546
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: and make an offensive line worry playing and play out.

547
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: So for the forty Niners, I know we talked about

548
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: Shanahan and Garoppolo and this offense, but the defensive line

549
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: could end up being one of the stars of this

550
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: entire league. If you go out and let's say you

551
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Speaker 1: get Bossa, to which he'll probably be there too by

552
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: all accounts, if Murray goes one, now you just have

553
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Speaker 1: a bunch of bodies you can throw in. Kind of

554
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: like you mentioned the Giants back in the day with

555
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: all their defensive linemen. It's similar. You can just rotate

556
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Speaker 1: players in. You have D four, who's approven stud we

557
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 1: believe in Bossa, and then those big bodies coming from

558
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: the inside in Armstead and Buckner. That's a lot to

559
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Speaker 1: worry about. And I think that the Niners could really

560
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 1: improve very quickly if they go and do that. Yeah,

561
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: I think the Niners can improve in a hurry if

562
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: they go and get another big time UH defensive playmaker

563
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: to add to what they already have. Like their their

564
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Speaker 1: their D line room is gonna be all first round picks.

565
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Speaker 1: And so when you invest a kind of draft capital

566
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Speaker 1: in the D line, you would like to see a payoff.

567
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Speaker 1: And you always have to remember when you're building your team,

568
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Speaker 1: you have to build your team to win your division.

569
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Speaker 1: And the team that is at the top of the

570
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: division right now are the l A Rams. They have

571
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Speaker 1: a quarterback, they are running back and Todd Gurley. You

572
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: have to be able to wait. You have to have

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Speaker 1: a way to slow them down. And the best way

574
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Speaker 1: to be able to slow them down is to be

575
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Speaker 1: able to knock them off the ball with your D line,

576
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 1: play max coverage behind them and win a ton of

577
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 1: games that way. The forty nine is a Nano position

578
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: to kind of solidify the front line to give them

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Speaker 1: an opportunity to do that. Yeah, and then afterwards in

580
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: the draft, you can start addressing you can grab receivers

581
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 1: in the mid rounds and we've seen those guys. If

582
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: you hit right in that position, those guys end up

583
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: being superstar players. You don't have to address a wide receiver.

584
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Speaker 1: And you know early in the draft, especially not pick two,

585
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: probably not even at the beginning of round two. But yeah,

586
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: the forty nine is now we're in good position, and

587
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,439
Speaker 1: that's a trade that for them, I'm sure made a

588
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: ton of sense. You bring in a guy like d Ford,

589
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: that's gonna help your team quite a bit immediately. And

590
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: I think right now, when you start addressing the NFL

591
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: and you look at positions of need for every franchise,

592
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Speaker 1: you want as much depth on your d line as

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Speaker 1: you can possibly get, and there's not many teams that

594
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: have it. In the Niners now are in pretty good

595
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: position to have that. Yeah, that is in great position

596
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: to have that. I think they're sitting pretty at number two.

597
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: And one of the reasons why they may be sitting

598
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: pretty at number two when it comes to pass rushers

599
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 1: is because the Arizona Cardinals could take Cala Murray at

600
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Speaker 1: number one overall. And the reason they could take him

601
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: number one overall is. He was nothing short of spectacular

602
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: at his pro day workout on Wednesday at Oklahoma. UM.

603
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: There's a lot of positive reaction regarding his workout, And

604
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: I'll just kind of lay out what I saw in

605
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: watching and Covenant for the Network. Calamari is an A

606
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,959
Speaker 1: plus arm talent. He's an A plus athlete. He's an

607
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: easy thrower, capable making every throw that you want to

608
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: see in the book. He does it effortlessly. Um. The

609
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: way that the ball kind of jumps out of his hands,

610
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: the combination of the footwork and the balance that he

611
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: has during his drops, he just makes it look really

612
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Speaker 1: really easy when he's throwing from the pocket. UM. If

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Speaker 1: I had to kind of make the analogy, he kind

614
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: of reminds me of a major league pitcher who has

615
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: four or five pitches at his disposal. He can drive

616
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: the ball, he can throw with touch, timing and anticipation.

617
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: He can feather it and layer it over second level defendants.

618
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: But before he gets to the third level, Uh, he

619
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: can make throws in the pocket and on the move.

620
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: And you can see where a creative offensive coordinator could

621
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Speaker 1: take him. Put him in an offense and he could

622
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Speaker 1: do some Russell Wilson like stuff from the pocket. Would

623
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Speaker 1: I like to see him running for He just confirmed

624
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: the athleticism, but we already know. Look, he's top ten

625
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: pick in the MLB draft. Um, you heard Lincoln Riley

626
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: say that in a race between Cala Murray and Hollywood Brown,

627
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: if it was a hundred yards, Hollywood Brown would get it.

628
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: It was forty yards, it would be a toss up.

629
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Speaker 1: I mean I kind of believe it because sometimes, like

630
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: when you look at Cala Murray on tape, like when

631
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: he pushed the ball under his arm, he takes off,

632
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: he is scooting, he gets in here quickly, he gets

633
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: in gear and then the de I mean that we

634
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: talked to from Texas at the Senior Bowl when he

635
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: talked about he was the most Charles Mannah, yeah, I

636
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: mean who when he talked about how fast and he

637
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: was the best football player that he had faced. Um.

638
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: I think that speaks volumes about it. His his explosiveness

639
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,959
Speaker 1: and kind of the dominant impact or big play impact

640
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: that he brings to the position. Um. If there were

641
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: some concerns that may have shown up at the workout, Um,

642
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: he wasn't spot on on all of his deep throws,

643
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: But I don't think range arm strength is an issue.

644
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: I think if he had to make those throws in

645
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: a game, he can make those throws. I think there's

646
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Speaker 1: there's no issues in terms of what he can do

647
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: on the field. I think the thing that teams will

648
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: continue to dig into what's his personality. Like I felt

649
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: like he showed more personality in the interview this time

650
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: than he did previously. I felt like, you've got a

651
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: greaterst sense of who he is. Um, he's a quiet

652
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: reserve kid, but he's also uh full of what I

653
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: call the athletic arrogance. He knows he's good. He's been

654
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: good as football player all of his life for three

655
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: and zero UM in high school, three state titles, fourteen

656
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: and three as a starter in college, wins eyes withan trophy,

657
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: So we get that. So I think teams want to

658
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: dig down to that, and then when they're able to

659
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: have those conversations with Linky Riley and the coaches on

660
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: that staff, where he was mentally and his work ethic

661
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: when it came to studying the position. I think those

662
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: things are the things that potensally could impact him because physically,

663
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: I think he's done enough to kind of warrant consideration

664
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: as a top ten, top five, maybe the first overall pick,

665
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: but you want to check off those other boxes to

666
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: feel good about where he is in the process. I

667
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: feel like in terms of leadership to if quarterback wins,

668
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: the players will follow him, meaning he doesn't have to

669
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: have the necessarily the personality of like Brett Farve, where

670
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: everybody loves the guy no matter what. If you look

671
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: at him in high school, you look at him in college,

672
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: you look at him as a baseball player or whatever

673
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: it is. He's been a winner and if that continues

674
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: on the NFL level, the guys around him aren't going

675
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: to follow his lead. If he's out there winning and

676
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: he's performing at a high level. And I feel like,

677
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: you know, with most quarterbacks, there's different personalities on every team,

678
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: but the guys that generally are known as the best

679
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: leaders are usually the guys that are winning. You don't

680
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: hear a four and twelve quarterback that often be called

681
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: the best leader in the league. It's because the teams

682
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: showing up. It's December, it's cold, it's rainy, you're out

683
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: of the playoff contention, and you're like, I'm not really

684
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: gonna listen to every word this guy says, because we

685
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: have no hope. But if you're in contention and you're

686
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: a winner, all of a sudden, the guys are gonna

687
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: rally around you. The other thing I want to ask

688
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: you about, because I know it was an issue with

689
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: Mahomes in this air raid offense in college, the footwork.

690
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: It does seem like Kyler Murray heading into the league

691
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: has much better footwork and saying with Mayfield last year

692
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: than a guy like Mahomes did. So how much is

693
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: that something that NFL teams are gonna want to talk

694
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: to him about? But obviously, if he ends up with Kingsbury,

695
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: this is a guy that that's a system, So I

696
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna even remotely care much about it.

697
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: But it does seem like his footwork is better than

698
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: what Mahomes was a few years ago when he was

699
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: drafted in the same relatively simple, you know, air raid system. Yeah,

700
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: I think, I think, I think that's a great comparison.

701
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: I think there's similar concerns about the footwork. And my

702
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: biggest concern with Pat Mahomes was the maybe over emphasis

703
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: of sanlit played that he had when he played at

704
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: Texas Tech. I felt like it was almost too much,

705
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: that how could you um rain him in to allow

706
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: him to play. He took too often, yeah, in a

707
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: traditional sense, not even taken off, but just like the throws,

708
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: and they threw so much that he became a gun sling.

709
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: And I worried about him being a bit of a

710
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: turnover machine. But to his created, Andy Reid is done

711
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: a great job of allowing him to be Pat Mahomes

712
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: while also kind of keeping him in check and and

713
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: and really working with him on his decisions. UM from

714
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: the pocket Cala Murray, I think Oklahoma system is a

715
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: little different. Um. I think it's probably even though it's

716
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: air raid, I think what Lincoln Rally does kind of

717
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: fits better into the pro game. They do a lot

718
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: of stuff maybe out of two backs, some things that

719
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: are one back the ball comes out. You see them

720
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: work in the middle of the field. And to be honest,

721
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: I think Cayla Murray is so talented athletically that I

722
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: didn't think the footwork stuff was going to be an issue.

723
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: I thought it was great that he went out and

724
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: got his gems on to help him prepare for the

725
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: workout Jim's On and having worked with him in Seattle.

726
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: Great quarterback developer is a little unorthodox and his methods,

727
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: but he helps guys kind of find their groove as

728
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: a quarterback. And I felt like Kyler Murray was grooving

729
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: doing the Pro day workout. And so the only thing

730
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: that's left from here what would the Arizona Cardinals do

731
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: with the Arizona Cardinals bring him in, work him out? Um,

732
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: will they determine, Hey, this is the right guy for

733
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: our syst him? And then what do you get back

734
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: for Josh Rosen? I wrote about this last week about

735
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: just Rosan Rosen. I think they're gonna have a hard

736
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 1: time getting anything above a three for him. Um. When

737
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: I reached out to a bunch of different scouts and people, uh,

738
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: everything was around mid rounds re and four. And how

739
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: about this, though, Let's say now you're the Giants, you

740
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: address six and seventeen, you draft two defensive players that

741
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: will be instant impact starters. Why not throw your second

742
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 1: round pick and get Josh Rosen, a guy that last

743
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: year was the top ten pick. Would that be something?

744
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 1: Maybe a team like that just says, look, even though threes,

745
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: let's just get it done. Draft him. You know, you

746
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 1: bring him in as your two, and basically you end

747
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 1: up with your six pick a great, top tier edge rusher,

748
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 1: seventeen pick a top playmaker on defense, and then your

749
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: second round pick becomes Josh Rosen. I think that that

750
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: would work out, That would they would work I think

751
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: the thing that maybe we're missing those teams they passed

752
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: on Josh Rosen last year? Um, what was it about

753
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: him that led them to pass the Jazz a prime

754
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: opportunity to take any quarterback that they wanted. They could

755
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: have taken anybody at two. Was it something about his

756
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: personality that turned him off? Is he they're kind of guy?

757
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: I think what is hurting Josh Rosen? I don't know

758
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: if he was universally beloved in the NFL scouting community,

759
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: and so now that he is up for auction and

760
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: for sale, you may not have a rush of teams saying, oh,

761
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: this is my guy. I like him. Last year we

762
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 1: couldn't get him. That also may be depressing his value

763
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: on the trade market. Great plan, if that's what the

764
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: Giants wanted to do. I think we need to kind

765
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: of get get him in. Those guys in the room

766
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 1: be like, hey, what do you think about Josh Rosen

767
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: because if they did that, I think everyone would feel

768
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: better about Okay, I understand the plan now, like they

769
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: have a quarterback, they have a plan in place to

770
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: succeed Eli Manning. We just need to wait a year

771
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: or two. Josh Rosen will get us back to the playoffs.

772
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: What do you think changes so much though? And the

773
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: fact that let's say Arizona doesn't get him last year,

774
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 1: he clearly is not gonna fall past the first round

775
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,959
Speaker 1: into the second, certainly not to the third in a year.

776
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: I feel like there have to be a few franchises,

777
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: maybe Miami being one. Jacksonville although they just signed full

778
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: so that changes things. But there are certain franchises that

779
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: you might just want to take that risk and get him,

780
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: knowing that his twe on the loan is worth that gamble.

781
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: Why do you think within a year it's changed that

782
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: much as it's strictly just based on the fact that

783
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: personality wise, teams might not think he's a fit. Oh.

784
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of the maybe the

785
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: new car you drive it off the lot that depreciates

786
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: by thirty to forty percent immediately. Um. I think what

787
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: hurts Josh Rosen and there's no fart of his own.

788
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: He played last year for a bad team, and the

789
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: only tape that he has is him playing for a

790
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: bad team. And we can excuse away the offensive line

791
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 1: and the lack of weapons that he may have had

792
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: around him, but whenever you see him play, how he's impacted,

793
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: taking sacks, all those things not necessarily his fault. But

794
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: the tape that you get on him hasn't been great,

795
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: only completed maybe fifty of his passes, and so it

796
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: is hard for some teams to get away from that,

797
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: especially if he wasn't one of your guys going into

798
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: the draft. Um. I hate to say it, but selfishly

799
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: a scouts, we're all stubborn. We're married to whatever our

800
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: pre draft grays are, and so if we didn't like

801
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: Josh Rosen before his rookie season was only confirmation, Like see,

802
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: I told you couldn't play. If we liked him, then

803
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: we're more willing to excuse the way some of the

804
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: struggles that he had. And so he has to find

805
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: uh one, maybe two teams that like him that are

806
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: willing to pull the trigger. It's a matter of kend

807
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 1: The Cardinals kind of work the back channels to find

808
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: out which teams really liked him last year. And part

809
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: of it too is kind of like the same thing

810
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: that happened with a b Once a team knows you

811
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: don't really have much of a bargaining chip, that's where

812
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: they can get you. It's not if they draft Kyler Murray.

813
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: One teams know you were not starting this guy. You

814
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: don't want him there. He's clearly not going to be

815
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: your backup, right, so therefore why would we give you

816
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: a top fifty pick. So at that point, the Cardinals

817
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: are kind of stuck in a tough position. They are

818
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: sticking a top position, and that has also decreased the

819
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 1: value of um, you know, Josh Rosen because they don't

820
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: have any of the options. Everyone knows the secret is

821
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: kind of out of the bag, and so they have

822
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 1: to make do. And I think if anything, they've already

823
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: paid off all of the money, like they paid off

824
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: the signing bonus and the fully guarantees. He only has

825
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: a handful of years left and maybe three um I

826
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: think I heard it would be like like two million

827
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: per like, yeah, about thirty to thirty five of the

828
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: overall contract would fall on this new team. It's it's

829
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: a it's a basement, it's a bargain basement deal. It's

830
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: a blue light special like kmart Um. It gives you

831
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: an opportunity to get a guy who I think has

832
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: franchise qualities in the building and you get him on

833
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: a cost control deal. We talked about the Cleveland Browns

834
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: being able to build what looks like a heavyweight contender

835
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: because they're working on the Ricky deal with Now this

836
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: is even better. You're talking about two million dollars on

837
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: your cap. Man. There should be a no brainer for

838
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: a team that really likes him. Now, we've gotta figure

839
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: out which team is willing to do that, And this

840
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 1: may be a situation that goes all the way into

841
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: a draft day because everyone is going to hold firm

842
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 1: on a low ball offering. At some point, the Cardinals

843
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: have to make a decision. Is it Rosen, is it Murray.

844
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: If it's Murray, man we gotta take we can get

845
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: for Rosen. Yeah, it makes sense at this point if

846
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: you believe in Murray, and frankly, you bring in a

847
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: guy like Kingsbury. We all know you're bringing him in

848
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 1: for his offense and for his quarterback ability. So if

849
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: he wants Murray. You can't then look at him and

850
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: say Rosen's our guy based on the way we drafted

851
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: with Wilkes. You have to just bite that bullet and say, hey,

852
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: it's your offense. Now take the quarterback you need. Yeah,

853
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: I mean I think that's that's the only way that

854
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: you can do it. It looks Kingsbury, we bring you in,

855
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: you're the you're the savior. What quarterback do you need

856
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: to get us up and going? If he says it's

857
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 1: Cala Muria, I think it's a done deal. I think

858
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: we built around and we take the egg on our

859
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: face from um kind of overpaying or trading away assets

860
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: to get Josh Rosen. But what you hope is that

861
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: you can get value back in kind for getting Rosen,

862
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: and maybe you can get a third round pick, and

863
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: you have to parlay the third round pick into a

864
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: successful player transitioning from Cala Murray because he has dominated

865
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: the conversation obviously with his pro day. UM, I think

866
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: I'm excited because over the next couple of weeks, we'll

867
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: see the rest of guys at the top my top

868
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: five at quarterback throw. We'll see Dwayne Haskins, We'll see

869
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: Drew locking, Daniel Jones kind of fighted out and kind

870
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: of established the pecking order. And when I really looked

871
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: at the top five right now, because those guys haven't thrown,

872
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: haven't done any pro day stuff, everything stays the same

873
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: For me. At running back, I had relative like no movement. Really.

874
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: The only guy who kind of crept in. How about

875
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: Miles Standers from Penn State kind of stepping up coming

876
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: on the heels of a strong combine. He gets into

877
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,919
Speaker 1: the conversation because I quietly like until he really blew

878
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: up in the combine, who knew that he had twelve

879
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: d rushing yards um in Penn State? Who knew that

880
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: he was one of the top runners in the Big

881
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: ten and was showing a level of dominance that we

882
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: didn't see. Se Kwan was such a shadow. He overshadowed

883
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: the program that you just couldn't think that someone behind

884
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: him could come and play. But look, Miles Sanders is

885
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 1: a really good player. Miles Sanders is a very good

886
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: running back. And also there's not a lot of wear

887
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: and tear on him. You had a guy like take

888
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley for a couple of years. They were feeding

889
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: him in every way possible while he was at Penn State,

890
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: Miles Sanders, I meant, and this the other day. He

891
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: was the number one high school running back in the

892
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: country from Woodland Hills High School, Wolverine. Shout out the Pittsburgh, PA.

893
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: There my hometown and my home area. And then you

894
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: look at a guy like him, great speed, good vision,

895
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: a guy that played against high caliber competition in the

896
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: Big Ten. He went up against Michigan with Winovich and

897
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: Gary and Bush and all those guys. He went up

898
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: against Ohio State with Bosa and Draymont Jones and all

899
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: those defenders, and he was productive. He wasn't a guy

900
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: that took a step back this year. He wasn't as

901
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: good as say, Kwon Barkley, but who has been so

902
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: I think overall he's a guy that, as you said, Bucky,

903
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: a lot of people didn't know much about. You look

904
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: at the stats, you look at the productivity, you look

905
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: at the speed, and all of a sudden, he's worth

906
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: a risk there. Let's say round two, round three, if

907
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: he's available, And who's to say he's not as good

908
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: as a Damien Harris or Devin Singletary or David Montgomery

909
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: or I'll throw in Travia On Williams because you know

910
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: I love him. He could be right there with all

911
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: those guys. I love Travion Williams, and you know it

912
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 1: was it was a tough thing for me. I think

913
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: what happens is Miles Standards gets what I call the

914
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: combine bump. He gets bumped up because he was so

915
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: dominant at the combine and you just kind of want

916
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: to make him aware of but man right behind him,

917
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: Trevion Williams, who arguably is one of the bigger sleepers

918
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: in this draft. He could be there. He's my top

919
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 1: running back in this draft. I love Trevion Williams, top one.

920
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: He's a talented player for sure. UM wide receiver. It's

921
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: pretty status quo. Hollyway Brown d DK metcalf off that

922
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 1: sensational straight line performance at the comment A J. Brown

923
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: at three did a really good job of running. Ran

924
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: a little faster. Nikkill Harry, who I'm probably a little

925
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: down on. I know some people like him more. I

926
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,800
Speaker 1: see a big body guy who's more of a possession

927
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: receiver even though he ran fast. And then Paris Campbell,

928
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 1: who we talked to on the last podcast sneaks into

929
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: the conversation. I believe whenever you include Paris Campbell, the

930
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: guy that is right beside him is Deepo Samuel because

931
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 1: I think he comes down to what style do you want?

932
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: Who do you want as an ultimate playmaker? Both of

933
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: these guys are terrific offensive weapons. What do you think

934
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: of a guy? I like Hakim Butler, who was really productive,

935
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: big catch guy was in an offense that translates to

936
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: the NFL. With Matt Campbell, I think he's pretty good.

937
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: He is pretty good, you know. And look, I'm probably

938
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: down on this, Like here's what happens when you only

939
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: are able to pick five and you're you're looking at

940
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: these guys, and all of these guys probably have similar grades.

941
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: Hawking Butler can be right in there. And when you

942
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 1: think about hockeying Butler, you should envision uh number seventeen

943
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: for the New York Giants plastical Birds, because to me,

944
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: they're very similar players their red zone weapons, they're dominant

945
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: down there in the scoring area. They look just do

946
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 1: average twenty two yards per catch. He's a big threat

947
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: and so he very easily could be a guy that

948
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: sits on some boys. Is number one and number two

949
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: because he's a dominant player. Ultimately, this is like going

950
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: to the ice cream shop trying to figure out what

951
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 1: kind of flavor do you want for the day hiking.

952
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: Butler certainly should be in the conversation, but we only

953
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: could do five and then one of us Andy Andy Sabella,

954
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: because he ran four three one. He was right there

955
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: with Paris Campbell. He put up in saane numbers at

956
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 1: you Mass, And he's a guy that just seemingly probably

957
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: week eight or week nine, a bunch of the fantasy

958
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: guys are gonna go where did this guy come from?

959
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: And a lot of us are gonna go. He was

960
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: pretty productive and he just seems like he's gonna be

961
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: a fit wherever he lands. He is a fit. Look, look,

962
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: he's a track star. Super fast and explosive put up.

963
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: I mean tremendous numbers at U. Mass did a good

964
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: job at the Senior Bowl kind of showing up. You

965
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: saw the speed and the explosiveness. Really, like when you're

966
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: building a wide receiver corps, you're building a basketball team,

967
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: you need guys that can fits certain rolls. He definitely

968
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: fits a role as an explosive slot receiver. Um, we'll

969
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: go quickly through the tight ends and tackles tied in

970
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: the only new edition. Caleb Wilson, Uh, MARYE. Jones Drew

971
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: certainly would be pleased. Ran Fast called the ball. Will

972
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: Uh is more of a jumbo receiver that is probably

973
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: h type, but he's certainly fits in the conversation. Those

974
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: other guys are established. I think the one thing, the

975
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: one guy to keep an eye on Jake Sternberger from

976
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: Texas and him seventeen yards of a kid you just

977
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: don't see tight ends average that kind of stuff. How

978
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: happy was he the Jimbo Fisher ended up at ay

979
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: and HAF because that was the guy I think I

980
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: remember watching Week one they played that opening Thursday night

981
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: against the nobody, but as a college football fan and

982
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: just pumped to see A and N play. I think

983
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: they said he had like five career catches under the

984
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 1: old system with someone and then all of a sudden,

985
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: Jimbo comes in and they're throwing him the ball every possession. Man.

986
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: He was terrific, explosive player, did a great job of

987
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: dominating the SEC. There's somebody that is going to really

988
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: get a really good value. I would say second third round.

989
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: That's where he comes in offensive tackle, Uh, the only

990
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: guy at killer mcgeary uh from Washington comes in, gets

991
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: into the conversation as a top five tackle. I liked

992
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: the size, light way played at the Senior Bowl. Solid

993
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 1: performance at the combine. He's in the mix. Another guy

994
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: that showed up at the Senior Bowl and was terrific.

995
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: Eric McCoy had an outstanding combine. He cracks the top

996
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: five um as those interior guys, and then it was

997
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: funny on defense, everything stayed the same for the most part,

998
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: like didn't change, not a lot of changes. They're the

999
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: only guy who correcked the top five that wasn't previously

1000
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: seen in Chauncey Gardner Johnson safety from Florida, kind of

1001
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 1: cracks in because and talking to people, they're really excited

1002
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 1: about his ability to play the slot and the way

1003
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: the game has changed. You need those slot defenders who

1004
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: not only can cover, but can be impactful as blitzers.

1005
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: With his size, with his athleticism, he could be in

1006
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: the conversation as being a guy that is a terrific

1007
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: nickel back, a big nickel in most defenses. Let's say

1008
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: you combine just the secondary guys here in terms of

1009
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,959
Speaker 1: cornerback safeties who if you had to rank one, two,

1010
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: and three combined, because you have Greedy Williams, Byron Murphy,

1011
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 1: rock Your sin As your three top corners, safety's Abram

1012
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 1: Adderley and wrapped by the way you can find all

1013
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: this nfl dot Com slash, Bucky Brooks is greedy the

1014
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 1: top of that list? Would it be Abram? How would

1015
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: you just sort out your top three if you had

1016
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: to combine the corners and safeties. If a team is

1017
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: looking for help on the defensive back, fam Man, this

1018
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: is tough because the reports on Greedy Williams are so

1019
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: mixed when you talk to teams. I'm a Greedy Williams

1020
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: fan because of the size, the athletics is him, uh

1021
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: and what he potentially could be. But if you had

1022
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: to pull scouts and you have to ask me, if

1023
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,399
Speaker 1: I had to play with a player day one, which

1024
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: is better, I would say that Byron Murphy is a

1025
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: better player, Uh, Greedy Williams is a better prospect, Bayern

1026
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: Murphy is a better player if we had to kind

1027
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: of line it up today, And maybe you could even

1028
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: say the same thing with Rocky sin Uh in terms

1029
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: of who would I take off the board if I

1030
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 1: had to play a game, I'm gonna rollout Jonathan Abram

1031
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: just because he's a physical dude. I know exactly what

1032
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm getting. I can drop him into box. He's gonna

1033
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: be a factor against the run, and he's going to

1034
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: be the enforcement that I prefer in between the hashes

1035
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: talented player. The missisipre State stand out to me is

1036
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: one of the more impressive prospects in this class. Yeah,

1037
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: you start looking at this draft and you can see

1038
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: why teams like Kentucky and Mississippi State ascended this year

1039
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: in the SEC. Kentucky has so many defensive guys will

1040
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 1: be drafted. Mississippi State is a bunch of high end

1041
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: guys that will be drafted. Sweat Simmons, Abram, and you

1042
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: know that's one way to build up a team, especially

1043
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: in the South. If you're trying to catch up with

1044
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 1: Obama or l s U or Florida or Georgia, you

1045
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: better get them guys that are thumpers on the defensive end.

1046
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: And Mississippi State, they have to make a legit argument.

1047
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: They have one of the top two edge rushers, one

1048
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: of the top two interior defensive lineman, and the top safety.

1049
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: That's a good place to be. It is a good

1050
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: place to be. And you know, you wonder why. I mean,

1051
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: obviously Uma their offensive hit and miss hit, hit, hit

1052
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: or miss. But sometimes when Dan Mullen leaves, like if

1053
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: Dan Mullen stays, you wonder how good they would have been.

1054
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: But Mississippi State one thing you know about their players,

1055
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: they get players. They really typically play for a long

1056
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: time in the league because they're tough, their blue color,

1057
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: hardhead and lunch period types. And I think this year

1058
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: it's kind of validation with the number of guys that

1059
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: could be first round picks, Like if not for an injury, Uh,

1060
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: Simmons would be a first round pig, Mantes sweat and

1061
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: you have Abrams, they could have three dudes. They hear

1062
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: their name called in the first round. Says a lot

1063
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: about the recruiting job that Mullins did there, and that's

1064
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: continued in terms of development on the Joe moorehead. Yeah, exactly.

1065
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,959
Speaker 1: Anytime you're going up against Bama, Auburn and those teams

1066
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: and you're bringing in more first round picks than they

1067
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: probably will have on the defensive side, that's a good thing.

1068
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: It is a good thing. And look, this was a

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