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<v Speaker 1>of Gone Wednesday, February twenty seventh at nine eighth Central

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<v Speaker 1>on WGN America. Welcome to Unexplained Extra with me Richard

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<v Speaker 1>McClain Smith Where for the weeks in between episodes, we

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<v Speaker 1>look at the stories that, for one reason or other,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't make it into the show. In last week's episode,

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<v Speaker 1>I See You, we took a stroll down the leafy

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<v Speaker 1>sidewalks of Westfields Boulevard in New Jersey, USA. It was

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<v Speaker 1>there that, in two thou fourteen, Maria and Derek Broadus

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<v Speaker 1>bought what they hoped would become a forever home for

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<v Speaker 1>themselves and their young children. The proposed move soon turned

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<v Speaker 1>nightmarish when an anonymous scribe in themselves the Watcher, began

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<v Speaker 1>wreaking havoc with a series of increasingly bizarre and sinister

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<v Speaker 1>letters addressed to the hapless couple. The content of the

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<v Speaker 1>letters was enough to scare off the Broadesses, who were

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<v Speaker 1>forced eventually to abandon their move. To this day, the

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<v Speaker 1>identity of the Watcher remains a mystery, and their house,

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<v Speaker 1>which had been put back on the market, remains unsold. Incredibly, however,

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<v Speaker 1>for such a quiet and seemingly pleasant town, the chilling

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<v Speaker 1>tale of the Watcher pales in comparison with that of

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<v Speaker 1>Westfield's most infamous form a resident. Not many people notice

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<v Speaker 1>the man in the smart, dark suit, carrying a briefcase

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<v Speaker 1>in one hand and a rolled up newspaper in the

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<v Speaker 1>other as he took a seat in his usual spot

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<v Speaker 1>at Westfield train station. It was there he would sit

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<v Speaker 1>in the autumn of nineteen seventy one day after day,

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<v Speaker 1>arriving dressed for work around nine, yet seemingly content to

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<v Speaker 1>just read the paper for almost eight hours before getting

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<v Speaker 1>up to leave shortly before five. Certainly, nobody could have

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<v Speaker 1>quite imagined the thoughts that were running through his head

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<v Speaker 1>every day for the previous month. The man John liszt

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<v Speaker 1>Ate breakfast with his wife and three kids and his mother,

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<v Speaker 1>who also lived with the family in their grand, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>roomed three story mansion on Westfield's Hillside Avenue. Having finished,

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<v Speaker 1>he would routinely wish them all a good day, then

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<v Speaker 1>stepped confidently into the street before heading off to work

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<v Speaker 1>at the Jersey City Bank. What he hadn't told them

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<v Speaker 1>was that he had been laid off weeks ago, and

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<v Speaker 1>so instead he did what he had done every working

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<v Speaker 1>day since and headed to the local train station with

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<v Speaker 1>his tie perfectly placed and a briefcase swinging in his hand.

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<v Speaker 1>On the morning of Monday, November seventh, however, he had

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<v Speaker 1>a change of heart after waving his children off to school.

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<v Speaker 1>Lizzt calmly waited for his wife Helen to take a

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<v Speaker 1>seat at the kitchen table as she drank her morning coffee,

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<v Speaker 1>then quietly collected his nine millimeter sty a handgun and

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<v Speaker 1>shot her through the back of her head. Next, he

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<v Speaker 1>grabbed some sleeping bags from a storage cupboard and spread

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<v Speaker 1>them out across the boards of the house's opulent ball room.

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<v Speaker 1>Picking his wife's dead body from the kitchen floor, he

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<v Speaker 1>dragged it through to the other room and laid it

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<v Speaker 1>out on top of the sleeping bags. Returning to the kitchen,

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<v Speaker 1>he filled up a bucket of hot water and methodically

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<v Speaker 1>mopped the floor clean of blood, using kitchen towels to

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<v Speaker 1>pick up the rest of it. Having finished the task,

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<v Speaker 1>he made his way to the third floor, where he

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<v Speaker 1>found his eighty four year old mother, Alma, confused as

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<v Speaker 1>to why her son had not yet gone to work.

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<v Speaker 1>When she asked what all the noise had been earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>John replied that it had come from somewhere in the

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<v Speaker 1>garden and he had just come up to check that

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<v Speaker 1>she was okay. It was only then that she saw

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<v Speaker 1>the gun in his hand. Before she could react, he

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<v Speaker 1>shot her at point blank range in the face, just

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<v Speaker 1>above the left eye, then walked back down to the

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<v Speaker 1>living room and waited. Sixteen year old Patricia was the

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<v Speaker 1>first to arrive home from school. Minutes later, she too

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<v Speaker 1>was dead, also shot at point blank range in the

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<v Speaker 1>faith before her body was dragged and placed next to

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<v Speaker 1>her mother's. Thirteen year old Frederick was shot dead a

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<v Speaker 1>short time afterwards, mere seconds after entering the house. His

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<v Speaker 1>body was also placed next to his mother's in the ballroom.

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<v Speaker 1>Having cleaned the house again, List jumped into the family

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<v Speaker 1>car and made the short drive south to the Westfield

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<v Speaker 1>High School sports field, where he watched, waving and cheering,

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<v Speaker 1>as his fifteen year old son, John Junior played in

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<v Speaker 1>a soccer match. Collecting him after the game. There was

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<v Speaker 1>little sign of just what List had done earlier in

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<v Speaker 1>the day. After letting his son into the house, first,

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<v Speaker 1>List waited for him to head into the kitchen before

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<v Speaker 1>following behind and shooting him in the back. It would

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<v Speaker 1>take another eight bullets before List was satisfied that his

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<v Speaker 1>son was dead. As he had done with his wife

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<v Speaker 1>and other children, List dragged his son's body to the

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<v Speaker 1>ball room and laid it down next to the others.

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<v Speaker 1>Then covered up all of their faces. Finally, as a

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<v Speaker 1>great sense of relief washed over him, List made lunch.

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<v Speaker 1>After spending one final night in his house. The following morning,

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<v Speaker 1>List fled the scene. A few days later, letters arrived

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<v Speaker 1>at the children's schools and their part time jobs, explaining

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<v Speaker 1>that the family would be out of town for a

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<v Speaker 1>few weeks, staying with Helen's mother in North Carolina. With

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<v Speaker 1>John also having stopped their milk and paper deliveries and

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<v Speaker 1>revute the mail, there was little to be gleaned from

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<v Speaker 1>outside the pretty mansion of the horrors that were contained within.

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<v Speaker 1>dot com slash Unexplained Podcast. It was some weeks after

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<v Speaker 1>John List left his home that neighbors on Hillside Avenue

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<v Speaker 1>began to wonder why the lights at number four three

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<v Speaker 1>one appeared to stay on all day and night. Then slowly,

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<v Speaker 1>as each individual bulb began to flicker out, until finally

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<v Speaker 1>the house was dark once more, it started to dawn

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<v Speaker 1>on them that something was very wrong. It was one

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<v Speaker 1>cold day in December. After fielding a number of calls

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<v Speaker 1>from concerned neighbors, the two local officers finally paid a

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<v Speaker 1>visit to the property. Stepping up to the hauch, they

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<v Speaker 1>could just about hear the faint sound of a radio

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<v Speaker 1>playing from inside, some sort of religious station from what

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<v Speaker 1>they could gather. However, when they rung the bell, the

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<v Speaker 1>officers got no response. After trying again to no avail,

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<v Speaker 1>the pair eventually decided to force open the door and

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<v Speaker 1>instantly caught a whiff of something putrid from within. Delicately

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<v Speaker 1>unholstering their guns, they eased opened the door and tiptoed inside,

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<v Speaker 1>Moving slowly through to the kitchen, One of the officers

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<v Speaker 1>noticed something strange about the various family pictures dotted about

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<v Speaker 1>the house. All of them had the father's face cut

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<v Speaker 1>out of them. Moments later, following the fetid smell into

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<v Speaker 1>the living room, the horrific truth of it all was

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<v Speaker 1>finally discovered, and the lives of the many residents of

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<v Speaker 1>Hillside Avenue, and indeed the entirety of Westfield, New Jersey,

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<v Speaker 1>would never quite be the same again. It wasn't long

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<v Speaker 1>before police tracked Liszt's car to the parking lot of

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<v Speaker 1>New York's j f K Airport, but here the trail

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<v Speaker 1>went cold. Despite the mounting of a nationwide man hunt,

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<v Speaker 1>the former father of three had completely vanished into the air.

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<v Speaker 1>Eighteen years later, in May nineteen eighty nine, after being

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<v Speaker 1>approached by New Jersey's law enforcement, producers of the TV

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<v Speaker 1>show America's Most Wanted agree to feature a recounting of

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<v Speaker 1>the List family murders in a last ditch attempt to

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<v Speaker 1>throw up any new leads. Included as part of their

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<v Speaker 1>presentation was a clay bust that had been specially sculpted

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<v Speaker 1>by expert forensic artist Frank Bender to give an impression

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<v Speaker 1>of what the fugitive List might have looked like at

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<v Speaker 1>that time. The following day, police received a call from

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<v Speaker 1>a resident of Denver, Colorado, who thought the sculpture bore

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<v Speaker 1>a striking resemblance to her former neighbor, a gentle church

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<v Speaker 1>going man named Bob Clark, who had moved with his

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<v Speaker 1>wife to the town of Midlothian in Virginia the year before.

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<v Speaker 1>A few days later, police officers entered the offices of

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<v Speaker 1>an accounting firm in Richmond, Virginia, where Clark worked as

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<v Speaker 1>an accountant, and arrested him on suspicion of murder. Clark

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<v Speaker 1>denied all knowledge of the crimes until finally, after being

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<v Speaker 1>confronted with irrefutable evidence, he eventually confessed that he was

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<v Speaker 1>in fact John List. As it transpired, List had never

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<v Speaker 1>boarded a flight from j f K Airport after all,

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<v Speaker 1>having only left his car there as a diversion before

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<v Speaker 1>taking the train out of New Jersey toward Colorado and

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<v Speaker 1>eventually settling first in Denver before moving to Virginia in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty eight. List's second wife knew nothing of his

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<v Speaker 1>past life. In April nineteen ninety, John Emil List was

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<v Speaker 1>convicted of five counts a first degree murder and sentenced

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<v Speaker 1>to five terms of life imprisonment, one for each family

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<v Speaker 1>member he murdered. He died eighteen years later at the

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<v Speaker 1>age of eighty two. Back in December nineteen seventy one,

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<v Speaker 1>when forensic officers were picking their way through the List

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<v Speaker 1>family home, they found a five page letter made out

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<v Speaker 1>to the family's pastor, in which John List attempted to

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<v Speaker 1>explain his motivations for murdering his family, Aside from his

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<v Speaker 1>financial concerns at having lost his job and wanting to

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<v Speaker 1>save himself and his family from the embarrassment of it all,

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<v Speaker 1>it appeared that Liszt, who was a devout Lutheran Christian,

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<v Speaker 1>had also become disillusioned with his wife and daughters growing

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<v Speaker 1>disenchantment with the church, a feeling which was exacerbated by

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<v Speaker 1>his daughter's burgeoning interest in studying drama, which he saw

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<v Speaker 1>as a threat to his Christian ideals. It was Liszt's

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<v Speaker 1>committed belief that he had to act before the family's

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<v Speaker 1>Christian credibility became so compromised that his wife and children

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<v Speaker 1>would no longer be eligible for admittance into Heaven. When

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<v Speaker 1>asked by a journalist in two thousand and two if

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<v Speaker 1>he had considered taking his own life after murdering his family,

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<v Speaker 1>he replied that he hadn't, simply because, as is taught

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<v Speaker 1>by the Bible, committing such an act would have prevented

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<v Speaker 1>him from being admitted to Heaven himself and reuniting with

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<v Speaker 1>his family there, which he was still very much looking

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<v Speaker 1>forward to. It is an argument unlikely to elicit much

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<v Speaker 1>sympathy from anyone, and yet for a committed believer such

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<v Speaker 1>as John, one that could also be argued makes its

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<v Speaker 1>own logical but tragic sense. John signed off his letter

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<v Speaker 1>to his pastor, please remember me in your prayers. I

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<v Speaker 1>will need them whether or not the government does its

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<v Speaker 1>duty as it sees it. I'm only concerned with making

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<v Speaker 1>my peace with God, and of this I am assured

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<v Speaker 1>because of Christ dying even for me. PS mother is

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<v Speaker 1>in the hallway in the attic, third floor she was

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