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Speaker 1: McClain Smith Where for the weeks in between episodes, we

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Speaker 1: look at the stories that, for one reason or other,

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Speaker 1: I See You, we took a stroll down the leafy

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Speaker 1: sidewalks of Westfields Boulevard in New Jersey, USA. It was

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Speaker 1: there that, in two thou fourteen, Maria and Derek Broadus

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Speaker 1: nightmarish when an anonymous scribe in themselves the Watcher, began

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Speaker 1: wreaking havoc with a series of increasingly bizarre and sinister

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Speaker 1: forced eventually to abandon their move. To this day, the

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Speaker 1: dot com slash Unexplained Podcast. It was some weeks after

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Speaker 1: past life. In April nineteen ninety, John Emil List was

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