1 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: Body bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. I guess probably when 2 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: I was about nine, my mother started asking me. Back then, 3 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: they used to call me Joey. She said, Joey, are 4 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: you always squinting? Well? There was a pretty obvious answer 5 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: for that. I couldn't see well. And so by the 6 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: time I was, I guess ten and a half, having 7 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: first pair of classes, and I've worn them my entire life. 8 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: I've always thought it would be fantastic to wake up 9 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: one morning and be able to see my toes without 10 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: having to wear these things. But they are part of 11 00:00:55,720 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: who I am. It is my reality of what I 12 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: do and who I am. And you're always having to 13 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 1: be careful with them, you know, you're always wondering if 14 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,919 Speaker 1: I break on mind just done for because I can't 15 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: see anything without them. But you know that there's a 16 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: picture that's out there of a beautiful, precious little girl 17 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: with a smile that looks like the sun. It's bright, 18 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: it's beautiful, and she seems so happy. And this child 19 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 1: wears glasses and the reason she has to wear glasses 20 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: is that she's actually blind in one eye. Boy is 21 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: she an angel? And now, to this date, we don't 22 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: know where she is. The police and everybody involved suspect 23 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 1: that she has been murdered. We've all heard her name. 24 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: I've talked about her on air on multiple platforms for 25 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: a long time now. But today we're going to discuss 26 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: Harmony Montgomery. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is Bodybags. 27 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: I see this child, Dave Mack, and every time I 28 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: see her, I just I want to wrap my arms 29 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: around her and give her a hug. I want to 30 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: take her to buy ice cream. I want to see 31 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: her playing with other kids. I want to hear her laugh. 32 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 1: I think that that's the biggest thing. She looks like 33 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: a child that would have this infectious laugh that would 34 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: just melt the coldest of hearts. That's what I think of. 35 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: I've stared at her image now for Lord have mercy 36 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: a couple of years now, and I still can't believe 37 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: we're still at this point with this case. 38 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 2: Joe, you mentioned the laugh of what her laugh would 39 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,239 Speaker 2: be like. I thought the exact same thing. I've covered 40 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 2: this case since it first came out. This little girl 41 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: is missing. Where is she? Who knows? When you ask 42 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 2: this question, where is your daughter? Where is your child? 43 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 2: And The first comment that I remember hearing was she 44 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: it's been with her mother since November. That was the 45 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 2: first thing I remember hearing. And it was like, No, 46 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 2: it's the mother who's asking where she is, because you've 47 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 2: got mom in Florida, you got the dad in Massachusetts, 48 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: up in that general area. So we've got this beautiful child. 49 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: You mentioned the glasses she has, She's always had glasses, 50 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 2: and we don't know where. 51 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: She is now, No, we don't. The family was kind 52 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: of I don't know a better way to really frame 53 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: it than to say that the family was kind of 54 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: hubbed out of Manchester, New Hampshire, and yeah, and if 55 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: you're not familiar with that area of the country, they're 56 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: kind of hubbed out of that area, and there's a 57 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: lot of movement. Family is relatively transient. There's frequent trips 58 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: down to Massachusetts and some of the surrounding area, and 59 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: you know, think about it is you never quite know 60 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: where they're going to be or where they're going to 61 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: pop up and this sort of thing. And this makes 62 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: it all more poignant because I don't know that that 63 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: I have seen an image of this baby over this 64 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: period of time when she wasn't grinting, and she has 65 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: a look of joy about her. And to me, this 66 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: kind of speaks to this chaos that she endweled where 67 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: she lived her little life, the life that she had 68 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: a hate saying that past tense and it's like she 69 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: had to create her own joy. Now, that's one of 70 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: the things that comes along with you have those that 71 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: have been given this. I think it's a sacred thing 72 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: where you're tending to children like this and they don't 73 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: have their faculties about them because they can't control these 74 00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: urges that they have. Many choose not to control them. 75 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: But yet she has this appearance that she's a joyful child. 76 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: And can you imagine being this age and you're having 77 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: to find your happiness within this environment where you're moving around, 78 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: you know, your family's kind of migrating from place to place. 79 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 2: Any sad realities in this story because as fathers, you 80 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 2: and I both come at this from the same angle. 81 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 2: You're supposed to protect these children and the people who 82 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 2: are supposed to protect them can't answer a basic question 83 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: where is she? 84 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? And that is very basic. I mean, it's one 85 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: of the things that we talk about here on body 86 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: Bags where we begin to go dig into the life 87 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,919 Speaker 1: that has been lived, and you begin to understand that 88 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: it was a chaotic existence many times, in many of 89 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 1: these cases, for many folks, you don't know where the 90 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: next shelter is going to be. How much more magnified 91 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: is this when you're a tiny little girl like this 92 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: and you want to feel safe, You want to feel 93 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: like you've got a safe harbor in this environment. And 94 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: this family was essentially blasted apart by drugs and alcohol. 95 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: And Harmony's mother tell me a little bit about her. 96 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 2: Her mother, her name is Crystal. Sorry, Crystal had Harmony 97 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen. She and Adam were together at the time, 98 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 2: and she has Jamison, that is Harmony's brother. Crystal had 99 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: a drug problem for many years. A couple of months 100 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 2: after Harmony was born, her dad, Adam, pleaded guilty to 101 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: charges of larceny and carrying a firearm without a license 102 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 2: discharging a firearm within five hundred feet of a building 103 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: in an armed robbery where he actually allegedly shot a 104 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: man in the head. This is her dad, and Harmony 105 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 2: was with her mother at the time. Her dad was 106 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 2: sentenced eighteen months, so Harmony is with her mom. Her 107 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 2: dad's in prison. Well, when Dad gets out, he immediately 108 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 2: goes after custody. Crystal, sorry, lost custody of Harmony in Massachusetts, 109 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 2: and this is in part due to her struggles with 110 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: substance abuse. Crystal has been living in Florida. That's why 111 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: I pointed out she lost custody in Massachusetts. Now, it 112 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 2: was at that time about July, I have twenty eighteen. 113 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 2: After crystal story biological mother lost custody of Harmony, that 114 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 2: Harmony began bouncing in and out of foster care. That 115 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 2: was in July of twenty eighteen, about six and a half. 116 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: Seven months later, in February of twenty nineteen, Harmony's father, 117 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: Adam secures custody of Harmony and takes her out of 118 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 2: Massachusetts foster care system. Now there was a family Jonathan 119 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: bobbittt Miller and Blair Miller. They adopted Harmony's brother, Jamison, 120 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: and they made it wide open they wanted to bring 121 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: Harmony into their home, whether as a foster child or 122 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: as a adopting her outright, and they had a relationship 123 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 2: with her. Barmoney's mother, Crystal and Adam continually got Harmony back. 124 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 2: The stepmother involved here was a woman named Kayla, and 125 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: Kayla and Adam were living in a home. They had 126 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: the children with them, but they were not allowing for 127 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: Harmony's mother, Crystal, to have the kind of contact by 128 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: FaceTime that she had had previously when the Millers had Jamison. 129 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 2: So Crystal, being the mother, can't really identify when Harmony 130 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 2: went missing because she doesn't know. She just knows that 131 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: as she was trying to maintain contact with her daughter, 132 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: the phone calls and the FaceTime slowly went away. And 133 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 2: the last time she recalls getting a FaceTime with Harmony 134 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 2: I believe was in April of twenty nineteen, and Crystal 135 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 2: was trying to maintain contact with child services and with 136 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 2: anybody who would listen, and it finally came down Joe 137 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 2: where Crystal, sorry again, not the She is the biological mother, 138 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 2: but not the custodial parent. She wrote an email to 139 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 2: the mayor of the town and said, my daughter supposedly 140 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 2: lives there, but I can't get the dad to get 141 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 2: in touch. I don't know where she is, I haven't 142 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: seen her, I haven't talked to her. Please help me, 143 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 2: because no matter what was going on is like Harmony 144 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 2: was falling through the cracks and that's where we are now. 145 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 2: When we first started covering this Joe who last saw Harmony, 146 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 2: and that's where we found out that Harmony had a 147 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 2: black eye, and it was her dad who admitted giving 148 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 2: her the black eye. And that's where the actual search began, 149 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 2: was with the admission that Adam had given her a 150 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 2: black eye. Family members saw the black eye, they were concerned, 151 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 2: and now they can't find Harmony anywhere. 152 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: You get this road map, can you imagine it? It 153 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: looks like a seismographic chart in the midst of an earthquake. 154 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: You don't know what's going on. It's all over the board. 155 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 1: That's kind of the life that this child was exposed 156 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: to since birth. Her mother wants stability for her, She 157 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: wants to be in contact with her, She wants to 158 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: have some semblance of a familial existence, you know, the 159 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: warmth of hearth and home to give her some stability. 160 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: But that wasn't the case, and that wasn't to be, 161 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: not as much with adults, but with children when they 162 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: go missing. There's an image that pops to mind for me, 163 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: and it's an image of people walking shoulder to shoulder abreast, 164 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: if you will, across fields and through forest, they're carrying flashlights. 165 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: You can hear people calling out the name of a 166 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: child looking for them, and there is like this full 167 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: force that's on display where people are just desperately trying 168 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: to find a child. I have this horrific thought that 169 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: comes to mind, this image that kind of comes before 170 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: my mind's eye, where I'm thinking that she's out there 171 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: and there's nobody to find her. Big bold men with flashlights, 172 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: searching under buildings and going through the forest and all 173 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 1: those sorts of things where they're demanding that this child 174 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: be found. That that's not the case here, Harmy. The 175 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: trail had been cold for so long you lost time, 176 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: and time is the most valuable asset that you have 177 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: when you're looking for a missing child. 178 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 2: I mentioned that Harmony kind of fell through the cracks, 179 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: and in some cases she did. There were people responsible 180 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 2: for her that shouldn't have been I don't know the 181 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 2: right way to phrase that. They were incapable of taking 182 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: care of themselves, much less children. But in the case 183 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 2: of her biological father, he had three other biological children 184 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 2: with Kayla, the stepmother to Harmony Harmony Montgomery, So the 185 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 2: stepmother having three biological children of her own and they 186 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 2: were all back to back to back, I believe from 187 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 2: twenty nineteen, twenty twenty in that three children's face there, 188 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 2: and she, by her own admission, she and Adam both 189 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 2: did drugs. And when she mentioned drugs, it was crack cocaine, heroin. 190 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 2: Those are two of the biggies that they used on 191 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 2: a fairly like a daily basis. And what we don't 192 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 2: know is where in the mix was harmony. We know 193 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 2: that the Miller family had Jamison, that they adopted him. 194 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 2: They wanted to get harmony. The biological father, Adam cut 195 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 2: off contact. He got harmony in February. By April, he's 196 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:50,680 Speaker 2: cutting contact and not responding to questions from biological mother 197 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 2: Crystal or anyone else for that matter, when it came 198 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 2: down to harmony. But when a family I believe his 199 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 2: name was Kevin, Uncle Kevin, said hey, he saw harmony 200 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 2: with that black eye, Adam Montgomery admitted to beating her, 201 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 2: hitting his daughter in the eye. 202 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. And the genesis of this, and this is again, 203 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: this goes to the situation that harmony is in She's 204 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: the oldest among all of these children that are in here, okay, 205 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: that are in this mix. And the way the story 206 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: has kind of come out. There was one of the 207 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: children and baby that was crying and harmony in an attempt, 208 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: probably to make Adam. Her father happy, was trying to 209 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,720 Speaker 1: soothe the child, and when he walked into the room, 210 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: he apparently noted that she had her hand over the 211 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: baby's mouth in an effort to try to knock down 212 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 1: the sound in there. He wouldn't want Adam to be displeased. 213 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: In her own little way, she's trying to add calm 214 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: to the storm. And apparently when he saw this, this 215 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: is when he struck. And this uncle is he's key 216 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: to all of this because when he he walks in 217 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: and sees harmony with this black eye. You know, little 218 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: kids are going to get injuries. That's just the nature 219 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: of it. You look at your child and say, how 220 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: in the world do you get this? I fell off 221 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: my bike, I ran into a limb, or just any 222 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: number of things that will happen with kids. It's just 223 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: price of being a kid. But the fact that the 224 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: uncle makes note of this and he sees that she's 225 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: got this insult to her eye, you begin to think 226 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: what happened. The guy admits to it, He said he 227 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: struck the child. And here's another thing. Many times with 228 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: black eyes, and this is really kind of sinister. Many 229 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: times with black eyes, I always take a long look 230 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: if I can, because you're thinking, it's not necessarily that 231 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: impacted something directly around your eye. But if you get 232 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: these little kind of crescent shaped hemorrhages that are inferior 233 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: to the eye on the bottom ass so they're the 234 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: orbital ridge or the orbital suborbital area like where your 235 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: eye socket is, you begin to see these presentations down there. 236 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: One of the things that comes to mind from a 237 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: forensic standpoint when you're trying to assess these injuries, you're thinking, well, 238 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: is there an underlying base or skull fracture? And that's 239 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: kind of ominous when you think about it. Did she 240 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: have an indwelling injury that had gone untreated at this point? 241 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: How pronounced was this blackened eye? Was there any indication 242 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: that perhaps they were bilateral where you have these blackened 243 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: eyes the left and the right, because that's certainly an indication. 244 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: Usually boxers get these. You see people that get rhinoplasty 245 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: or those jobs, they always have these bilateral black and eyes. 246 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: Some people refer to them as raccoon eyes. When you're 247 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: trying to assess and you're thinking about all this, what 248 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: else just lies beneath? Literally? What else just lies beneath 249 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: from if a physical assessment was done? Was she ever 250 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: taken to a doctor? Did they ever do a head 251 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,239 Speaker 1: X ray? And it doesn't have to be a neurologist. 252 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: Was a family physician there? You know, just to hold 253 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: up a finger and say, hey, baby, I want you 254 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: to track my finger to watch it. Now, watch it 255 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: very carefully, don't move your head, just move your eyes, 256 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: and you're trying to assess, you know, what the neurological 257 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: status of the child is. And so you're left with 258 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: this image that this uncle has painted of an insight 259 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: into the world in which Harmony and all of her 260 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: siblings were in dwelling. And on top of that, you've 261 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: got this constant movement of the family around about. And 262 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: again what's really very ominous is the home that they 263 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: were occupying. And when I say home, I'm talking this 264 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: thing is so tiny, Dave. It's a single bedroom dwelling. 265 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: It's an apartment, and it's older, and you've got all 266 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: of these people packed into this location and there's all 267 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 1: kinds of scary people coming in and out of this 268 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 1: environment where you're buying drugs or you're selling drugs. This 269 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: is going on, and you're around all of these kids 270 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: all the time. And now again, as has happened throughout 271 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: the father's life, certainly as an adult, at least he's 272 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: faced with the proposition of being evicted again. He's being 273 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: faced with that again. And I have often wondered in 274 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: this case, was it was that the tipping point? Was 275 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: it perhaps that harmony just became too much of a 276 00:17:38,560 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: liability when it comes to missing people and children in particular, 277 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: You really wish that there was a map like an 278 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: old Tome pirate map with the little dotted lines and 279 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: a great, big, gigantic X that marks the spot, so 280 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: at least you know it doesn't exist here. Today, it 281 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: doesn't exist on any level of this case at all. 282 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 2: There is so much confusion about the harmony Montgomery case. 283 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 2: And it's because the people who usually know these things 284 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 2: of for instance, like parents, actually, even if they're lying, 285 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 2: you can track what they were doing and figure out 286 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 2: where they were. But in this particular case, having trouble 287 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 2: with that. Right now, there is a trial going on 288 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 2: without a Montgomery and it's about gun charges. Though it 289 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 2: isn't about Harmony Montgomery or anything to do with Harmony 290 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 2: Montgomery in this particular case, it's about guns, and something 291 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 2: came up during this trial recently his ex wife, Kayla. 292 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 2: We mentioned her earlier. She was actually a stepmother to 293 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 2: Harmony the last time Harmony was seen that we're aware of, 294 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 2: and so her testimony at this gun trial set the 295 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 2: stage for what was taking place in their home as 296 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 2: they were getting ready to be evicted. You mentioned the 297 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 2: type of home it was, well, they were being evicted. 298 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 2: They had been evicted from other places, and Kayla was 299 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 2: testifying about the scary people that were coming into their 300 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 2: world every day. They had the three children that Adam 301 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 2: and Kayla had together, and then Harmony. Their son Jamison, 302 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 2: was living with the Millers. They had since adopted Harmony's 303 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 2: little brother. So you had four children living in the 304 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 2: home with Adam and Kayla Montgomery. Cayla Montgomery had a 305 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 2: job from six am to two pm every day. She 306 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 2: worked at Dunkin Donuts and the children were in the 307 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 2: care of Adam Montgomery during the day. Now, when Kyla 308 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 2: said that after she would get home by the way, 309 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 2: she didn't have a driver's license and didn't have a car, 310 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 2: so Adam drove her to work at six in the 311 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 2: morning and picked her up at two in the afternoon. 312 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: I have to wonder if the children were left at 313 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 2: home or if they took them with it. We haven't 314 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 2: figured that out yet. 315 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: No, no, no, I've wondered that same thing because I've 316 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: heard this repeated several times. I've been watching this trial, 317 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: and I've thought about this on several occasions. Were those 318 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 1: babies left unattended in that house? And if they weren't 319 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: left unattended, by whom were they being attended? You know, 320 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,719 Speaker 1: because we've had this kind of interesting, to say the 321 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 1: very least, I'm putting it, very mildly cast characters that 322 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: kind of pass over this threshold on this home day. 323 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 2: Right, And they're drug dealers there, and Caleb Montgomery testified 324 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 2: to that drug dealers either bringing drugs to them, buying them, 325 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 2: or trading guns for them. She talked about how there 326 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 2: were guns in the house, and again that's where he's 327 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 2: on trial right now, is on gun related charges. But 328 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 2: you have this chaos. She called it a home of chaos, 329 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 2: and I thought, I actually do believe that, And it's 330 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 2: just personal. This is totally personal opinion. I think he 331 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 2: left him a home when especially at six in the 332 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 2: morning when he took her to work, but we don't 333 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 2: know anyway that was the case, that was what was 334 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 2: going on in the home at the time Harmony was 335 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 2: last seen. So Adam Montgomery is on trial for the 336 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 2: gun charges. But there is something that everybody needs to 337 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 2: be aware of. We talked about Harmony Montgomery having a 338 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 2: black eye. Well, there was enough evidence of this that 339 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 2: as police were investigating where is she well, they were 340 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 2: able to come back and charge Adam Montgomery and he 341 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 2: was actually jailed or he was indicted rather on an 342 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 2: assault charge for hitting her and giving her a black 343 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:58,119 Speaker 2: eye around the time she was last seen. Now, Joe, 344 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 2: the police have zeroed in on December seventh of twenty 345 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 2: nineteen as the day they believe Adam Montgomery killed Harmony Montgomery. 346 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 2: She was last seen in December when she was twenty nineteen, 347 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 2: when she was just five years old, but she wasn't 348 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 2: reported missing for two years, and then it was only 349 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 2: because mom hadn't been able to see her enough. People 350 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 2: that were involved hadn't seen her. So two years and 351 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 2: Adam Montgomery when he was challenged on it, said, no, 352 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 2: I gave harmonies with her mom in Florida. That was 353 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 2: his flippant response. So bottom line, we have Adam Montgomery 354 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 2: on trial right now on gun charges. He has been 355 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 2: indicted for assaulting his own daughter harmony, but we don't 356 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 2: know where Harmony Montgomery is and the police have zeroed 357 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 2: in on December seventh. What do you do with this, Joe? 358 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 2: How do you go to trial without a body? 359 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: You look for an element of the body. It goes 360 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: to the heart of what we do from a legal perspective. 361 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 1: You have to have the corpus delucti. Well, how do 362 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: you define that? In the corpus delucti means? It means 363 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: a lot of things to a lot of people. I 364 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: probably we misuse the term frequently. I've gotten into discussions 365 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: quote I'm doing air quotes right now with Nancy Grace 366 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: over this. And you begin to think about corpus delecti. 367 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 1: What is that? Some people say, well, it's the body 368 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: of the crime. I argue that it's actually the body. 369 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,239 Speaker 1: You know, that thing that you can appreciate and so 370 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: what constitutes the body? Well, can it be an element 371 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: of the body? In the past We've thought about things 372 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 1: like hair, skin, We've thought certainly about blood, right, and 373 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: when you begin to look at it from an elemental level, 374 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: you know what makes up you know, a human remain, 375 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: you know, in the world that we live in. Now 376 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: we're thinking DNA, right, how much of a sample do 377 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: you need in order to say that something nefarious has 378 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: happened here? Perhaps a homicide at this point, Tom, And 379 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: here's kind of the beauty of this, the if there 380 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: can be beauty. The police did, in fact go to 381 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: this home that this family had lived in, and they, 382 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: let me tell you, they and it wasn't just the locals. 383 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: Now you've got the FEDS taking an interest in this, 384 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: and they had their evidence response team that was out 385 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: there at the scene is that ert Is was referred 386 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: to as, along with the local police, and they went 387 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: in Dave to this apartment and they began to take 388 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 1: this thing apart, and they really did. They were searching 389 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: the floors, they took up tile, they took out part 390 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: of the closet. We do know that they took apart 391 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: the sink. And it seems like there was a case 392 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: that we covered not too long ago where we talked 393 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: about drain traps, and with drain traps, that's kind of 394 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,120 Speaker 1: the curved area that you have beneath the sink. It's 395 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: not kind of, it is the drain trap, and that's 396 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: an evidence rich area where if you take that apart, 397 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: if there is any kind of tissue that's in there, 398 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 1: it will be captured within their Potentially you also go 399 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 1: into the tub to look for these sorts of things. 400 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: I don't think that I saw them taking the tub 401 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: out of the home, but they did take the plumbing. 402 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: But I think, Lord have me. The most ominous thing 403 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: is when you see there's videotape of this, these great, big, 404 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: powerful men that are dressed in crime scene attire and 405 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:39,159 Speaker 1: they're wheeling the family refrigerator down the street. And this 406 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: is in connection to the search for harmony. Why the refrigerator. 407 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 1: I've worked cases in the past where you had to 408 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 1: have a source of refrigeration, if you will, okay, in 409 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: these terms I'm referring to like a deep freeze. I've 410 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 1: never encountered a case with a refrigerator. And keep in mind, 411 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: when we measure things, we generally sales position, or you know, 412 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 1: when we're trying to buy an item, you think about 413 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 1: home it's measured in square feet. The interiors of refrigerators 414 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 1: are measured in cubic inches. You'll see that innotation when 415 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 1: you want to buy something, but it's a very limited space. 416 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: Why would they want the refrigerator in association to a 417 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 1: child that is missing? And I found that many times 418 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: when there is a death that occurs, and not this 419 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: case in particular, but just in general. I'm talking in 420 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: general terms. Many times, what will happen is that bodies 421 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: will be placed in cool areas for storage until the 422 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: individuals can decide what to do with the mortal remains. 423 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 1: It gives them time, It puts time on the clock 424 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,479 Speaker 1: for them, if you will. That of course, as an 425 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: investigator has entered my mind. Now, I don't know that 426 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: I'll ever be able to un see that, see that 427 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 1: refrigerator being wheeled down the street. The authorities still have 428 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: yet to show their cards at this point in time 429 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: relative to what they found, other than the fact there 430 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: has been a comment that was made that says they 431 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: found some biological evidence. Okay, and that's very broadly stroked. 432 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: You don't know what the nature of that is. 433 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 2: We know that the child that harmony had been there, 434 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 2: or we actually have to assume that we don't know 435 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 2: anything for sure because of all the lying that's gone on. 436 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, and listen, I'm glad you're saying this 437 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: because I really want to frame this for our fans 438 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: just to understand, because the kind of the default statement 439 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,479 Speaker 1: in many of these cases is, and I hear this 440 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: over and over again, well you're going to expect to 441 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: find biological sample of somebody that lives at the home. 442 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, you should find biological sample that is 443 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: representative of a particular individual. Specifically, if you're referring to 444 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 1: DNA evidence, it's part of a life being lived in 445 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: a home, right, Dave. So if you're talking about a 446 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,160 Speaker 1: grown man he's shaving, you have blood that issues force 447 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 1: from our body. You'll find evidence of that and deat 448 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: skin cells and all the sort of. But here's the rub. 449 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:18,640 Speaker 1: When you apply that particular comment in a blanket statement, 450 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 1: what's the source of the DNA that you're finding and 451 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: how much of that source was there? So we begin 452 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 1: to think about things in terms from a medical legal standpoint. 453 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: And this is an interesting term to certainly hear when 454 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: it applies to blood. Is the amount of blood that 455 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: you have at the scene. Is it compatible or is 456 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: it incompatible with life? So you can source DNA from blood, obviously, 457 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: but if you have a lot of blood, it goes 458 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: beyond that. Now you're thinking about causality here, what causes 459 00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: And let's just say, for instance, and I don't know 460 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: this for a fact at this point, but let's just 461 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: say that they found a copious fancy word for a 462 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,719 Speaker 1: lot of blood at the scene that they knew was harmonies. 463 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: Don't know that they did. But the question would be, well, 464 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: why would there be so much blood from my child's body? 465 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: What could be the genesis of that? And that's a 466 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: question that has to be asked. I do know this. 467 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: I do know that they have gone. You know, we 468 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: saw them set up a tent in the backyard of 469 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: this dwelling that were looking out there. And they have 470 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: gone so far as to go out to a marshy 471 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 1: area as well. And you see investigators without contexts go 472 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: out to these locations. Police don't just randomly show up 473 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: at locations to search, you know what I'm saying. You 474 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: have to be purposed to go there. 475 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 2: Well, they're not allowed to go and just willy nilly 476 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 2: search without having probable cause they have to search for 477 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 2: something specifically, they have to have a search. 478 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: For it they do, they have to cover all of 479 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: the bases in order to facilitate that. Now, there are 480 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: those circumstances where you might go privately on piece of 481 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: land and you go talk to the owner and they'll 482 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: say they very well might say yeah, sure, look at 483 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: whatever I have come on in here. But most of 484 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: the time you really want to make sure that when 485 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: you're making a case that you have in your search 486 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: warrant contained in there. First off, what are you looking for, 487 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: how long you can be here, what areas are you 488 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: going to search? Those sorts of things all have to 489 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: be contained because if you don't have that documented from 490 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: a legal standpoint, and you don't have a magistrate or 491 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: judge that's signed off on this thing, anything that's generated 492 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: or developed out of that search, it's a much higher standard. 493 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: Without the warrant, you have to be very specific, and 494 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: there's a distinct possibility that anything that's developed out of 495 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: there could be thrown out. And there's already enough problems 496 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 1: with this case. The one thing that we must have, 497 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: the one thing that is acquired, is to know where's 498 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: harmony Montgomery. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body Bags.