1 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: And welcome back to those amigos. This is part two 2 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: of our big break conversation. Break and get ready because 3 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: we're about to get very colorful here. So of course 4 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: I had done all the little things right, Like, you know, 5 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: I played like, you know this flashback young kid and 6 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: four corners. I'd done a little thing on Disney Channel 7 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: called Amba Makamba, where like I pop up in a 8 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: little box on the bottom left. I'm like, hey, Amba, 9 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 1: how told is a giraffe? You know? And so I've 10 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: done little things like that, you know that you but 11 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: like there's some region of Sony commercial for a camera 12 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: that was only releasing in Japan, you know, like I 13 00:00:55,280 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: never saw these things, you know. And then finally, you know, 14 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: he's like, I'm going to send you this pilot edition. 15 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: We don't have the script, right you. All you get 16 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: is these three little pages. And I was like, this 17 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: is it. I just got to do this scene and 18 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: he's like yeah, he goes okay, e's he money. 19 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. 20 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: So I asked my dad if you you know, if 21 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: you know, if he can take me to the to 22 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: this audition. Well, you know, and some of you who 23 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: have read an American story, everyone's invited which is my 24 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: memoir You were you know, you will remember this this story. 25 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: My my dad had to borrow money from the neighbor 26 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: because we didn't have gas money for him to drive 27 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: me to this audition. So he took me to this 28 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: audition in Studio City. I crossed the street from CBS Rafford, 29 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: where Davey Gross was the casting director at the time, 30 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: and I went in an audition, and you know, she 31 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: she's like, okay, cool, We're going to bring you back 32 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: to more and I want you to have a little 33 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: more fun with with your character, you know, just have 34 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: a little more more and more fun with that. I 35 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: was like, okay. So I went back that night and 36 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: you know, I said, Dad, they want me to come 37 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: back tomorrow. I was, okay, cool, And I'm playing around 38 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: with my little sister, you know, and I you know, 39 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: and I make this voice and she starts laughing, and I'm. 40 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: Like, you make a noise. 41 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: I make a voice. I got a little high pitched, 42 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: kind of innocent voice, and she's like she starts laughing. 43 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: And then I was like, okay, well, let me combine 44 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 1: accents from different countries and make it an accent that 45 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: you know that you can't even dephrase where he's from, 46 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: you know. And as soon as I said the word yes, 47 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: I knew, oh, wait a minute, I think this might 48 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: just wait, you know. And so I think to me, 49 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: I was like, all right, let me see it is. 50 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: So I went the next day and I combined actions 51 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: with different countries and I played with this, and I 52 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: came in audition for the producers. At the time, I 53 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: had no idea who they were, so they were later, yeah, 54 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,839 Speaker 1: They're like. There was like a moment of silence while 55 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: they register, and then there was an explosion of laughter, 56 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: and so I thought, oh, man, I really messed up. 57 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: I really missed Oh you thought they were laughing at you? 58 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: And I missed up. I messed up Freddie because I 59 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: said this thing, I auditioned with something very different than 60 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: I had done it before. I took this like hell Mary, 61 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: and she said, have fun with it. I went too far. 62 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: I had too much fun with it. And then immediately 63 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: they're like, they're like, and then they're like and then 64 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: they started laughing. So I was like, I couldn't translate that. 65 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: I was like, I messed up. So I went home 66 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: and finally I get a phone call from the studio again. 67 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: They're like, hey, they want you to go to twenty 68 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: century Fox. I was like, oh, I'm getting another edition, 69 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: all right? So I told my dad my dad had 70 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: to borrow money again from the neighbor to drive me 71 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: to twenty century Fox, this time the same studio. Yeah, 72 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: then I would Yes, man, that's mind blowing. Wow, bro, 73 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: that's what I'm telling you. That's why I said, like, 74 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: you walking to that gate and there's this magnetic thing 75 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: where anything can happen. 76 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: For you, you know, And I never put that together. 77 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: Yes, we were at that wow. So you know, I entered, 78 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: you know, my dad gets a little money, drives me 79 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: over there. And you know, when you are auditioning for 80 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: a TV show, they make you sign a contract before 81 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: you get the part, and you read the contract and 82 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: you don't understand what those letters are, you know, and 83 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 1: like ultimately it says that I was going to make 84 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: fifteen thousand dollars for the pilot yeah, and ten thousand 85 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: dollars per episode. 86 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 2: Yeah. 87 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: Like I am like right, yeah, And so I told 88 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,840 Speaker 1: my dad, I say, Dad, but it was such a 89 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: ridiculous paragraph in that contract that I looked at my 90 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: that we're obviously not getting this because it makes no sense, 91 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: like we don't get this kind of stuff right, Like, 92 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 1: it's just that's like more money. Even if I just 93 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: get the pilot, that's more money that we made in 94 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: the year. 95 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: Did the contract say how many episodes you would do? 96 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: No, just it was said all produced. So I was 97 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: supposed to be a regular because. 98 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 2: I'm wondering if you did the math in your head, 99 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 2: were you like ten episodes times? 100 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: Like I didn't know. I once they got to pick up, 101 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: that's when I was like, But so basically I go 102 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: with my dad and my dad, could you imagine if 103 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: I get this show right now? My dad looks at me, 104 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: he's thinking, we're not getting this part, but he's just 105 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: like he's like, may if you'll get it, I dined 106 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: a very good If you don't get it, I dine 107 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: very good. And you know, I always say this, My 108 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: dad always sounded like he was drunk, and you know, 109 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: but he you know, he wasn't drinking at the time. 110 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: And so I auditioned and I entered the room and 111 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: it's Peter Roth, president of a Fox all the time, 112 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: Bonnie and Terry Turner, I mean, legendary writers and head 113 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: writers of SNL at the time center in my life. 114 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: You know, they created Cone's Heads, Cone Heads, you know, 115 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: Wayne's World, the Brady Bunch movie, and on and on 116 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: and on. I mean, the guys were like legendary comedy. 117 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 1: And then also I created The Rock from the Sun 118 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: at the time, and then it was like Mark Brazil 119 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: and then there was you know, the old executives a Fox, 120 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: you know, and and I just had no idea who 121 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: they were. And I come in there and I do 122 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: my my scene, you know, and then I go with 123 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: with the with the voice with these and I just go, 124 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: I go, what did I say? What was the one 125 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: line that brought the house on? Oh? It's like I 126 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: was like, uh, oh, so it did a boat whore 127 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:48,119 Speaker 1: and bro there was an explosional left in that room. 128 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: And again I thought I messed it up. It couldn't 129 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: translate to me that they were laughing that hard something 130 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: I did. Then I was like, oh, and you know, 131 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: they were laughing so hard in the room that I 132 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: couldn't hear the casting director. So I because I had 133 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: to memorize, and I would just wait for her lips 134 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: to be done, and then I would say my line 135 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: and then they would be laughing through her line, and 136 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: then I will say my line, and then we'll be 137 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: laughing through her line. So I was just reading her 138 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: lips and I was like so attentively looking at her lips, 139 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: and so I talked to myself, I'm like, wow, this 140 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: is crazy. I'm definitely messed it up, you know, because 141 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: I couldn't even hear her. But it added to the 142 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: the chaos of my character when he was trying to comprehend, 143 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: and I was like so wide eyed that it almost 144 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: created character traits. And you know, I went home and 145 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: my you know, my agent calls me at the time, 146 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: and he said, uh, oh, they want you to come 147 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: back tomorrow. And I looked at my dad and to 148 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: my family, and you know, there's a time where you 149 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: can pick up a line in the other room and 150 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: and everybody's listening from different phones in the rooms in 151 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: the house, you know, in our little tiny little house 152 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: in Vanies, California, and they're on the phone and they're 153 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: like and they're like, once you come back tomorrow. And 154 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I got a call back. 155 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: And then he says, and they want you to come 156 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: back the day after that, and the day after that, 157 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: the day after that, and the day after that, and 158 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: we're all crying and screaming, and we're like Jesus Christ, 159 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: like what just happened, dude, And honestly cue it like 160 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: a movie. I look outside the window, dude, and our 161 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: neighbor's American flag is waving. 162 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: Oh man, wow. 163 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: And that was the moment where I said, this is why, 164 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 1: that's what this country affords all of us, you know. 165 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: And I was relentlessly knowing that I needed to pay 166 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: it back in that moment. As soon as I saw 167 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: that flagwave, I said that that's that's what everybody talks about. 168 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: That's what where everybody writes movies about. It's this called 169 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: American dream thing, that it's American dream that that could 170 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: happen for those who are willing to die, who want 171 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: to get in the dance floor and when to get 172 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 1: out there and try, you know. And dude, I made 173 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 1: a promise to myself that moment. I was like, you know, 174 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: if I'm going to do this, I have to be 175 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: the best. Everything that comes out of my mouth has 176 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: to be the funniest thing that anybody has ever heard. 177 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: And I just relentlessly would look at every line and 178 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: think about it, like talking about Keanu Reeves, like Neil 179 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: and the Matrix, I'm like, I'll move this comma here 180 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 1: and bring this period there that would make it super 181 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: awkward and offbeat, and I will play with the comedic 182 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: cadence of the actual lines. And so every time I 183 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: deliver a line, people wouldn't know why you make that choice, 184 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: how you come do that choice. And I just I 185 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: was really thinking, like a different type of creature on TV. 186 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: You were creating a character for you. You kind of 187 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 2: really knew what creating a character was. 188 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: And it was based on the promise that like I 189 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 1: was not going to mess it up, that I was 190 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: going to just appreciate this opportunity and I was going 191 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: to bring all of myself into that and as the 192 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 1: audacity of thinking, like whatever I have in me is 193 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 1: what this character needs, It's like I got it, you know. 194 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:24,559 Speaker 1: And I don't even think my coasters at the time 195 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: even understood, you know, like what this character was. At 196 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: the time. They thought I was like, well, it's like 197 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 1: the foreign kid with the accident. I guess I don't 198 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: know if it's like a They didn't know if I 199 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: was a serious regular or if I was like something 200 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:37,359 Speaker 1: like a power. 201 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 2: They when you like, when they first heard it, were 202 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: they like they were like, this is ridiculous. 203 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: Right, especially Telfer. Telford thought I was brilliant. Telford gave 204 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: me so much love and so much like they looked 205 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: at me and they were like, yeah, Tolfer's like, you're 206 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: either weird, yeah, like a really like a weirdo, or 207 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: you might just be a I mean, a brilliant. 208 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 2: It's one or the other. 209 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: It's one of the between. 210 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 2: I was bet the weird, you know. 211 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I let him believe it was brilliant, you know. 212 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: And I and I think I think at the time 213 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,599 Speaker 1: that part became this anthem for me, you know, and 214 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 1: starting my career, you know. And I was I was 215 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: asking you, what did you feel like on set? Because 216 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: but for me, I had a live audience. Oh yeah, 217 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: so imagine they go okay, action and you say your 218 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: first line. 219 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, was that scary? 220 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: I was to do it? Yeah, it was so scary 221 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: because you know, I had done theaters, so I was like, oh, 222 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: I'm not afraid of that. But then I was like, oh, 223 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: there's two hundred and thirty people on that on the outstand. 224 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: The trick was not to play for the audience in 225 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 1: the sound stage. The trick was not to perform it 226 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 1: for the people in the audience. The trick was to 227 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: perform it for the people at home, right. So whatever 228 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: I did on that screen, I was I needed to 229 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: tell it to the people at home, right, which prevented 230 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: me from going too far to try to make the 231 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: people in the audience laugh, which is a trap for sitcoms. 232 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: You think you're playing for the people that are laughing 233 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 1: there in front of you. 234 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: Did you learn that through trial and error or like, 235 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 2: how did you how did you learn how to calibrate 236 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 2: how far you go? 237 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: I think I was. I think I was bringing my 238 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: fear from not listening, not hearing the casting director in 239 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: the audition, and I was hanging by every word that 240 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: the other actor was saying, which allowed me to stay 241 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: here and like really engage here, and so I didn't 242 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 1: have to play for them because I was just like 243 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: I got to get my lines right, I got to 244 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 1: say them like this, and I got to listen to you, 245 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: and so it allowed me to be here. So it 246 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: was like this contain madness, you know that it didn't 247 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: have to play that colorful out loud and so so 248 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,439 Speaker 1: you know my first line I remember, you know, the 249 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: scene was, you know, it was uh to for Grace 250 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: a lower pripant and me like, and we were at 251 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:15,079 Speaker 1: the hob and we're having like you know, hobb it's 252 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: like the little hangout, little diner, and we're playing you know, 253 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: we're playing like pinball and whatever, and I think me laid. 254 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 1: Jackie's character gets up and goes up to Donna lower 255 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: Prepan's character and says, uh, Donna, I have to go 256 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: to the bathroom. He goes, okay. He goes, well you 257 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: have to come with me or something like. She's like, 258 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go alone because girls go to the 259 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: bathroom together, right, And she goes okay, he goes and 260 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: I look at that, and then I go all the 261 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: way up to Eric Foreman Toll for Grace and I say, Edic, 262 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: I'm I'm what is it? Let me start again? So 263 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 1: so like I really know it? Eric, Oh, yes. So 264 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: I go up to to for Grace, who is playing 265 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: for Men, and I go, I do much go to 266 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: the bathroom dy And he's like, that's not how it 267 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: works with guys fast or something. 268 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 2: You know. 269 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 1: As soon as I said that, the audience was like 270 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: the same thing like the casting Like the casting room, 271 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: there was like this pause to them like, oh, that's 272 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: how he's gonna play it. Oh, they've never seen it 273 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: because it shows a pilot. Yeah, and it's never air, 274 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: so they're like, oh oh oh right. They kind of 275 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: it kind of clicked that I was going to play 276 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: this for inning Sten student that was going to say 277 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: I'm off the walls time. So as soon as every 278 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: scene came up and all of a sudden, like it working. 279 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: It was like this magic thing. 280 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: But I think it worked because it was grounded, you know, 281 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 2: like you know how like sometimes you see people do 282 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 2: characters and they're acting the character, you know, where yours 283 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: was more grounded. So even if it was big, even 284 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 2: if it was external, it was it was grounded. 285 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: He believed it. 286 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, he believed it. And so so if you believe 287 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: in the audience believes it and you were you weren't 288 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 2: performing it, you know, you were, you were doing it, 289 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 2: you're living it, you know. And so I find that 290 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 2: sometimes when when actors perform it, you know, then then. 291 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: Then you know it could be a trap, right, Like 292 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: sometimes you read the characters description and you're like I 293 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: got to play the grumpy guy. So to your point, 294 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: it's like for me, it was like the more I 295 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: focus on my my scene partners, that the more grounded 296 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: it became, you know, And that the funnier it was 297 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: for the audiences because they were looking at it from 298 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: a screen as well, you know, so I knew that. 299 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, they're looking at it from a 300 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: screen if they're not looking at it live, so I'm 301 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: kind of playing it to the screen too. So that's 302 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: when I figured out the tone between you know, theater, 303 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: TV and like film, you know, and that that dial 304 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: it would really helped me understand more. And that was 305 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: I mean, that was it. Man. That moment was just 306 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: magical and all of a sudden, you know, instead of 307 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: going to the nine nine cents stores when my mom, 308 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: I was taking her to Ralphs. Yeah oh, instead of 309 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: getting a little cola, we were getting Coca CoA. 310 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, what was it? What was it like 311 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 2: when when you guys premiered? So, okay, so you shot 312 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 2: the pilot obviously, right, they see the pilot. You guys 313 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: didn't shoot the entire season before it premiered, right. 314 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: No, we shot probably close to like maybe five or 315 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: six episodes before it premiered. We premiered August twenty eight 316 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety eight. It was on I believe it 317 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: was a Wednesday night. Yeah you no, sorry, it was 318 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: Sunday night at eight thirty between The Simpsons and the 319 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: X Files. 320 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 2: That's a damn good slot, man. 321 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: Yeah it was. It was massive, Yeah, some massive times. 322 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: But we were in a hit right away, you know. 323 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: It was like took a while to build. And the 324 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: Simpsons and the X Files were really mad at us 325 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: because you know, they thought that we were leading them well, 326 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: and you know, most of those shows have been on 327 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: for multiple seasons, you know, so they really were trying 328 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: to blame us. In fact, like you know, I think 329 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,959 Speaker 1: even the Simpsons were so mean to us. They did 330 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: an episode where they did a montage of like the 331 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: behind the alleyway of these stores, ninety nine cent stores. 332 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: They were like tossing, you know, you know, stuff that 333 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: didn't sell through the trash, and then they go to 334 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 1: like fifty nine cent stores, and then they go to 335 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: like twenty cents or or like ten cent stores, and 336 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: the ten sy store was throwing seventy show mugs in 337 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: the trash, so like they were just like so bitter, 338 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: you know, and we outlive all those. We did eight 339 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: seasons within two hundred episodes, and you know, we were 340 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,399 Speaker 1: averaging nineteen twenty million people a week, you know, and 341 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: and you know they were averaging twenty one twenty two. 342 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: So they looked at us as like, well, we're dropping 343 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: millions because of these guys. So as soon as they 344 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: moved us to Tuesday, they moved us to Wednesday, Then 345 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,959 Speaker 1: they moved us to Mondays. Then they moved us back 346 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: to Wednesdays. And that could have killed us. But all 347 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: we did is we gather fans from every night and 348 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we by season three, we were 349 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: the number one. 350 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 2: Season three, So is that is that when it really 351 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 2: started to like like when did you finally notice that 352 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 2: it was cooking right or that people were being receptive 353 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 2: to it. 354 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 1: It was hard because I was still living such a 355 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: like I was still going to high school. Yeah, and 356 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: you know kids in high school have a way to 357 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: make you feel like you were still physically going to 358 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: high school. 359 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh wow. 360 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: So you know we would shoot, we would be on 361 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: two off, one on three off one two three, two three, 362 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,360 Speaker 1: and so during those off weeks, I would go back 363 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: to regular high school. 364 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 2: Wow. 365 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: And I was finishing up my senior year high school 366 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: at that point, and you know, kids are kids could 367 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: be so mean. Yeah, So they would look at me 368 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 1: and they would come up to me like why is 369 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: her hair like that? And why do you sound like that? 370 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: What do you sound so stupid? Because whyn't you the 371 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: cute one. You're like not even the cute one on 372 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: the show, like like forget that you got a TV 373 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: show four years ago. Wo, forget that you you know, 374 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: like you're making some money. Like it was literally like 375 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: like you're not even the cool one, you know. And 376 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: so high school didn't make me feel special about And 377 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: that was. 378 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 2: Season one, yeah, and and so did it start to 379 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 2: cook season? 380 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: When? When was it like just just season three? That's 381 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 1: whatever Season three was when we were a household characters 382 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 1: and people I will walk down the street and be 383 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: like fast. You know, it took a while for my 384 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: character because in real life I look so different, so 385 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: right because you had your like your hair, Yeah, I 386 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: was wearing beanies and hats because my hair was like 387 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: Eric Strata alone, and that was your real hair, that 388 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: was my real hair. Yeah, I was very gifted right eye. 389 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, so so, but my coasters were like, I'll 390 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 1: be standing next to my coasters and they're like, hey, 391 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: you guys are awesome here. You make sure you tell 392 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: fans and say what's up, and I'll be standing next 393 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: to them. Really just because your hair looked that different. Yeah, 394 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: Also I carried myself very different. I didn't stand the 395 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: way I stand. I didn't do my mouth the way 396 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 1: I did when I talked. I mean, I d all 397 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: these things that made them a different human and you 398 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: didn't speak like that, and I didn't speak like that character, right, 399 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: So so people couldn't recognize me, which was funny. You 400 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: actually worked to my advantage because I was fine. But 401 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: I wasn't looking for to recognize me, you know anything. 402 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 1: I was just happy to be working. 403 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll bet you all those kids you went to 404 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 2: high school with by season three. 405 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: Oh, they all knew it. They were like, damn it, 406 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: no one, they all knew it now, you know. They 407 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: were like they're like, I always knew. I always knew. 408 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: That's correct, I always knew. 409 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 2: But I hope you realize what I mean. Your your 410 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 2: your character is going to go down, and like television 411 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 2: history you know, is one of the most iconic comedic 412 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 2: characters of all time. And isn't that why that that 413 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 2: was like your first pilot, your first big television show, 414 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 2: and right from the jump you create this like iconic 415 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 2: television character. 416 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it's wild, man, it's wild. And to your point, 417 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: the only thing that I hoped, I hoped that every 418 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: day of my career that I never would forget you know, 419 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 1: that that ingredient that that was in me back then, 420 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: that would allow me to be that free to create 421 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: something that bold at a time where bold was not 422 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: rewarded right to there to be such a different like 423 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I look at auditioning. It's like, Okay, 424 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,199 Speaker 1: if you brek it down on one hundred percent of actors, right, 425 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: you have an audition for a part, fifty of the 426 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: actors are going to make the same choice, right, right. 427 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 1: Of actors gonna they're gonna think they're clever, they're gonna 428 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: be like, I'm gonna do the opposite, right. And then 429 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: there's ten percent and you break it into like seven 430 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: percent of them are gonna do something that's not that 431 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: or this, and it's going to be an alternative, right, 432 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: And then three percent of those actors do or make 433 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: a choice that is so that it's so drastically innovative 434 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: that elevates that character against you know, the perception of 435 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: the writer and director and contributes on a level that 436 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: makes that character sore, you know. And so the difference 437 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: between a working actor and the guys that you know 438 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 1: that three percent, you know, you see them sitting in 439 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 1: the oscars. You know, there's just something. There's just this thing, 440 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: you know, and I and I attribute it to you know, 441 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 1: that wondrous thing you know? You know, can you stay 442 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: it wondrous? You know as long as you possibly can? 443 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: Can you can? You look at every character and be like, 444 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: instead of asking yourself what they want, can you ask 445 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: yourself a question? If I had to play this character 446 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: for eight years and two hundred episodes, why would be 447 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: the take that I would have the most fun playing everything? 448 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: That's the one that wins. That's the one that wins. 449 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: It's not like what your perception is or what they want. 450 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: It's what you know. It's in your strength to deliver. 451 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: And sometimes you are against your strength because you're too 452 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: concerned about wanting them to approve you. You know, what 453 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: do you how do you feel about that. What do 454 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: you think about that? 455 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 2: I'm all for taking chances, you know, Like I feel 456 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 2: like I come from I think we come from a 457 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 2: generation of actors, right. We come out of like the 458 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 2: seventies and eighties actors, right where people were creating characters. 459 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 2: You know, we came up watching al Pacino and de 460 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 2: Niro and Dustin Hoffman and all these people who are 461 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 2: Gary Oldman, you know, all these people who are like 462 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 2: really creating characters and creating voices and the way they 463 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 2: stood and you know, all of the stuff that encompassed 464 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 2: your character. Right. So I just think that that's a 465 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 2: a you know, because we come from that generation, we 466 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 2: feel freer and we feel bolder to do that. I 467 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 2: don't know if this generation is necessarily you know that, 468 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 2: or maybe the mindset is different now, but I felt 469 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 2: like a lot of the stuff that. 470 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: The training is different because I look, because I talk 471 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: about I would say, you know, to reframe the three percent, 472 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: the three what they do really well is they turn 473 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: it all off. They they turn it all off, the choices, right, 474 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: and they just like allow them selves to just flow 475 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: through the words, you know, and almost some of them 476 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: make it look so easy, right, what do you think. 477 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 2: I think I think that that if you if you 478 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 2: look at the landscape of TV and film now right, 479 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: it's it's you know, man like like the character actor 480 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 2: per se is not as prevalent as it used to be, 481 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 2: you know. Ah, and so because it's not, it's just 482 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 2: the newer generation just doesn't. They don't relate to it, 483 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 2: you know, because that's not necessarily what our industry is 484 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 2: looking for, you know. 485 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: And you think it has something to do with your 486 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: inspirations or like who inspire you from the beginning to 487 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: actually say like, oh, we're you know, oh that's possible, 488 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 1: like that that is something like what is that Mount Everest? 489 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: What is the example of Mount Evers that you see first? 490 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: So you go, I want to climb higher than that. 491 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: You think it has something to do with tipe, with 492 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: like the inspirations of today, like where do you draw 493 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: inspiration today? 494 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 2: You know? 495 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: I think you know, I'm gonna hold you there because 496 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: I think this is a great question to answer for 497 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: the next episode. 498 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 2: For the next episode. 499 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: Characters and yeah, and individuals and people in moments that 500 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: inspire us to kind of strite a little higher. And 501 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: how did that translate in the universal way too. But 502 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: by the way, thank you so much for offering all 503 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: that you know, personal stuff with that with you know 504 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: your your you're walking into twenty century fact. I didn't 505 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: know we had that in common, crazy man. 506 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, we got fincas in common. We have. 507 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: Geez it it. But I want to thank everybody, uh 508 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: for listening to those Amigos. Uh and uh you know 509 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: we'll see you in the next episode, all right. 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