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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news.

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Speaker 2: I'm Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is

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Speaker 2: Hot Pursuit.

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Speaker 3: All right, Hannah, you and I are like literally in

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Speaker 3: the next couple hours rushing off to the airport to

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Speaker 3: get our flights to Paris because we're going to Lamar

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Speaker 3: this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Lama, my bags are packed. I've got my passport, I've

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Speaker 2: got my sunscreen, I've got my baseball hat. I'm ready.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: We have a twenty four hour race to go to

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Speaker 3: and we're doing a full day of live broadcast on Friday,

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Speaker 3: June thirteenth, the day this podcast comes out.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe the guest lineup we have. We have

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Speaker 2: people from Forsha Ford, role X, who else?

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Speaker 3: We have Jensen Button for one thing, Formula One Champion,

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Speaker 3: have Tom Wagner, He's been on this program before. He

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Speaker 3: owns Nighthead, he owns Joda, he owns Singer, a number

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Speaker 3: of other really important company Now at track right, in

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Speaker 3: a sense, he owns what's that track called that you

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Speaker 3: like out there? Willow? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Is he behind that too? Or is that that's a

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Speaker 2: capital different one?

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Speaker 3: He's he's behind that, He's behind that Okay. Behind that,

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Speaker 3: we have I'll just list. We have Jamie Chadwick, she's

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Speaker 3: a driver. We have Roger Penske. We're going to talk

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Speaker 3: about his new car. We have Gil West, he runs Hurts.

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Speaker 3: Michael Steiner, you mentioned Portia, he's a board member there.

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Speaker 3: We have Adrian Hallmark, the CEO of Aston Martin. By

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Speaker 3: the way, quick aside, Quick Tangent, a buddy of mine

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Speaker 3: went to a party at Billy Zane's house this weekend.

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Speaker 3: Hey Billy Zaine, he was the bad guy from Titanic. Right.

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Speaker 3: Apparently he's like an artiste now and you can get

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Speaker 3: his artwork as an option on your Aston Martin.

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Speaker 2: Okay, is that not like it's incredibly random?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, it's so random. Okay. We have Sarah Boviie.

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Speaker 3: She's a Belgian racing driver. She drives for the Iron

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Speaker 3: Dames team. We have Florentman Joe the CEO of Michelin,

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Speaker 3: the CEO of Goodyear, Mark Stewart. We have Rob Dickinson

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Speaker 3: from Singer. We have the CEO of Rolex. I mean

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Speaker 3: we're just loaded up with guests.

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Speaker 2: Most importantly, we need to tell people where and when

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Speaker 2: they can watch. Do you have that on your document.

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Speaker 3: Well, you can watch all day long on Bloomberg Television

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Speaker 3: on Friday if you're so inclined, and you can see

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Speaker 3: it on Bloomberg dot com.

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Speaker 2: We're also doing a special July nineteenth, June nineteenth.

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Speaker 3: June nineteenth, we're doing a well, we're doing a June nineteenth.

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Speaker 3: We're going to do a Bloomberg Television thing, and then

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Speaker 3: the following weekend we're going to release a special. So

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of content coming out.

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Speaker 2: From us watch Out, watch Out.

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Speaker 3: But it's not like I don't expect it to be

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Speaker 3: Matt hardegree level film.

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Speaker 2: Which is, oh, well, he's a filmmaker, he's I mean,

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Speaker 2: we're not cinematic.

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Speaker 3: Definitely was so my old friend Matt Hart agree and

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Speaker 3: your old friend as well. I first met him when

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Speaker 3: he was running Jelopnick. I feel like he was the

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Speaker 3: first important editor of Jelopnick.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully he's the only editor I know.

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Speaker 3: And then he went on to make films and work

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Speaker 3: for another number of entrepreneurial organizations, and now he's running

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Speaker 3: The Utopian, which is a website, a community really of

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Speaker 3: car lovers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have to say it's a very refreshing

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Speaker 2: look at the car world, emphasizing what you and I

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Speaker 2: always believe, which is cars should be fun, but it's smart.

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Speaker 2: Like I know Matt heart Degree is going to say,

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Speaker 2: we just like to have fun with cars. But don't

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Speaker 3: It's true. He's always coming through the data. He is

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Speaker 3: into the minutia. He brought up when he came into

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Speaker 3: the studio a Bank America report, so he's reading all

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Speaker 3: the Wall Street research.

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Speaker 2: He's going to try try to make it just sound

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Speaker 2: like it's fun in games, but there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: intelligence and history behind it. All.

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Speaker 3: Right, let's get to Matt Hardegree now he's with us

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Speaker 3: here in the studio, and I just want to ask

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Speaker 3: And that is something I heard you at one point

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Speaker 3: were there and you've been there many times, and a

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Speaker 1: I think the statute of limitations on this is past

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Speaker 1: then draining it. Problem is they realized, oh no, now

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Speaker 1: I had rented a cheap card that wasn't the diesel

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Speaker 1: like you can actually drive when you drive out of

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Speaker 1: which would have been embarrassing, but it was fun. And

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Speaker 1: that's you know, that's the magical Laman. You never know

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Speaker 3: Here's the deal, right, We're going to Lamon. Me and

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Speaker 3: Hannah are going to Lamar. We're doing a whole broadcast

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Speaker 3: the following weekend. And I mean, she probably is steeped

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Speaker 3: racing that's not on two wheels, right, So that's why

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Speaker 3: This is obviously an historic race, and I imagine the

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Speaker 1: That is how it all started. Lamon was one of

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Speaker 1: the original proof of concepts of the automobile as something

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Speaker 2: And I think we should say too people may know,

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Speaker 2: you know, Ford versus Ferrari is set at the twenty

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Speaker 2: very cultural touch point that if if people might have

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Speaker 3: Well, and I'll also I think Steve McQueen probably made

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Speaker 3: made a drunken, drug fueled movie about it.

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Speaker 1: He did it is It is a movie. It is

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Speaker 1: a motorsports movie of all time. It is not the best,

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Speaker 3: But Ford versus Ferrari, what's your take on that? One?

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Speaker 1: Great movie? Great movie? They did?

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Speaker 4: Want it?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 2: Keep going? Keep going? I'm just providing a counterpoint.

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Speaker 3: I think she said hated it.

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Speaker 1: You hated it? Okay, they did one Ford executive dirty

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Speaker 1: and they like they hand waved over so much about

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Speaker 1: They do do a little hint at Carol Shelby's, you know,

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Speaker 1: very creative business practices. So all of that is yes,

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Speaker 1: if you actually know the real story and you read

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Speaker 1: the AJ. But if you want the real story, read

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Speaker 1: real story. If you just want the vibes of what

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Speaker 3: Why didn't you like it, Hannah?

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Speaker 2: For all the reasons that Matt said, You're one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent right, Matt, and just I think it probably just

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Speaker 2: It Really it did trigger me. I think it was

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Speaker 2: just it was so unapologetically about these guys. You know,

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Speaker 3: But but is that any different now? Isn't it still?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm putting together the rundown for the show.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying it's perfect, but it's The Iron Dames are

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Speaker 1: leading the European Lamon Series Championship right now in their class, and.

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Speaker 3: I got us an interview with one of their drivers,

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Speaker 3: So I'm excited about that.

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Speaker 1: They're awesome.

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Speaker 3: But everybody else that I'm talking to there, that we're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's not for lack of trying. I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: we still have a long way to go, but it's

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Speaker 2: great when we can at least count that there are

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Speaker 2: people of color and women making some decisions in the

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Speaker 1: Wait, just to clarify it, one of the most successful

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Speaker 1: race engineers of all time, Lean Gate was a woman,

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Speaker 1: like one of the best limp Laman engineers who ran

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Speaker 1: the AUDI program successfully during Audi's crazy run as a woman.

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Speaker 1: So I so, actually European sports car racing and sports

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Speaker 1: you know, representation is in everything, and I'm not trying

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Speaker 1: to say that it is, and there's still an insane

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Speaker 1: kicking butt like That's what I'm just saying is that

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Speaker 1: You're gonna hear all sorts of things. You know, but

431
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,159
Speaker 1: then you're gonna hear that Cadillac vight come around the

432
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,679
Speaker 1: corner and everyone's gonna know. You're gonna feel it in

433
00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,480
Speaker 1: your stomach. It's a Cadillac V eight and it's gonna

434
00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,240
Speaker 1: make boom like it's gonna make an amazing sound, and

435
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna have that, and then you'll have that. That's

436
00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:17,919
Speaker 1: the fastest class.

437
00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,440
Speaker 3: Then the next fastest class is like everybody can choose

438
00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:26,399
Speaker 3: one of the same. Uh, one of the same.

439
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:26,960
Speaker 2: What?

440
00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,160
Speaker 3: Yeah? So the names chassiss like a yeah.

441
00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,320
Speaker 1: So there's l m P two, which has kind of

442
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:34,800
Speaker 1: always been l m P two and that stands for

443
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,800
Speaker 1: LAMM Prototype two. So they're the slower cars. It's a

444
00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,360
Speaker 1: mix of amateurs and pros.

445
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:40,560
Speaker 3: All the cars look the same.

446
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:41,960
Speaker 1: All the cars look the same, they have the same

447
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 1: mode of the same gearbox, the same Chassias in Arica,

448
00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,680
Speaker 1: like it's all Urica, So it's all the same thing.

449
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,399
Speaker 1: You can pay attention to that or pay attention to that.

450
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 1: AO racing an American team, which is really exciting, is

451
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,280
Speaker 1: gonna be racing there. So I would say pick one,

452
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,119
Speaker 1: pick one l m P two team, and then that's it.

453
00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 1: That's it. And also that's a great looking car. So

454
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna pick AO Racing. That's gonna be your team,

455
00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:02,440
Speaker 1: you know, or whoever. I don't care who does, but

456
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 1: that's gonna be your team. And then you to Hannah's point,

457
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:09,439
Speaker 1: all all the cars now racing in the GT class,

458
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 1: these are cars that are based on like road cars.

459
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:16,119
Speaker 1: They are all all mixed up pros non pros, and

460
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,440
Speaker 1: those are cars theoretically you can go buy. Those are cars.

461
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 1: Both of you get to drive before I get to drive.

462
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:21,920
Speaker 1: By the way, I know, it's like Hannah gets the

463
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,880
Speaker 1: car first and the mat gets cut the second. Matt

464
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,120
Speaker 1: Hardiger gets the car third. We all know this.

465
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 3: Hannah gets usually like the you know, the Penan Farina Batista,

466
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,880
Speaker 3: and I get like the Suberu outback.

467
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:32,439
Speaker 4: You know.

468
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 2: Usually that's fine, that's fine with that breakdown. I'm just

469
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 2: fine with that.

470
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 3: No. Wait, so that's the only three classes. There's hyper cars,

471
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 3: l m P two and then the GT three cars.

472
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,680
Speaker 1: Essentially, yes, there are, if you want to be really pedantic,

473
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 1: there are actually within the hypercar class or LMH cars

474
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 1: and LMDh cars, But who cares. They made it simple.

475
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 1: It's three cars. All the cars have different colors on

476
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 1: the numbers. That's all you gotta do. That's what's gonna

477
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 1: make it so much fun, and that's why they're and

478
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 1: it also made they think so much cheaper, which is

479
00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 1: why there are so many cars this year, and there

480
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 1: are so many different brands and manufacturers. It was sad

481
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 1: before it was sad.

482
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,160
Speaker 2: Can you talk a little bit about who you think

483
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 2: is going to win the outright race? I mean it's

484
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 2: been Ferrari. Can we assume it's gonna be Ferrari again?

485
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 2: I think Farra is leading right now in the championship series.

486
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,640
Speaker 1: Yes, so okay, I'm I'm gonna. I was not sure

487
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 1: I was gonna bring this acronym up, but here we go, bop.

488
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 1: Balance of performance. The other reason why this is exciting

489
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 1: is that they are constantly behind the scenes tweaking how

490
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 1: much power you have, how much total power you get

491
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Speaker 1: for a lap, and how much weight you have to

492
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,640
Speaker 1: try to keep the cars relatively even. Now. Historically some

493
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 1: people have said, no one in this room certainly have

494
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,359
Speaker 1: said that maybe Ferrari sandbags throughout the year so that

495
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 1: they can get extra to the top end speed at leman,

496
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 1: so that they can win. No One here can prove

497
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 1: that that has ever happened. I'm looking around for snipers.

498
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm okay, that's that's certainly no one has ever

499
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,080
Speaker 1: said that's happened. No one here in this room is saying,

500
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 1: maybe that's happening again. But this year they've actually won

501
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: a few races coming in, so perhaps that's not the case.

502
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 1: Do you think Ferrari is the favorite going into this? However,

503
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 1: if you look at the BOP adjustments that were made,

504
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: so this is who gets weight and who gets power.

505
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: I actually think that, you know, Cadillac does have a

506
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 1: real chance this year. I I my money is on

507
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:18,360
Speaker 1: cadillact this in the hypercar or hypercar. Yeah, that's it Hypercarillac.

508
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 3: Doesn't have a GT three team. They don't raise a

509
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 3: black wing at five.

510
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 1: They don't that would blackwing would be awesome. Bring a sedan, please,

511
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 1: more sedans more?

512
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 2: No?

513
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: I so Cadillac I think for the overall is my

514
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: sleeper pick. If I had to put all my money

515
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 1: on it, I put it on Ferrari. Ask the Marnate

516
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 1: win in some really terrible things have to happen. They

517
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Speaker 1: are new teams.

518
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 3: What about the in the GT three class? The Mustangs.

519
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 1: Are they Mustangs are competitive? Look on numbers you want

520
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 1: to win in the GT class LP two, we don't care.

521
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: We're gonna say're gonna say oo racing, God bless them.

522
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: I hope they do well in GT three. I personally

523
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: do I want the Mustangs to win?

524
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 2: Yes?

525
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: I want the must Thanks to win. Do I think

526
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: the Proton team is very competitive?

527
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 3: Yes?

528
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: I think they're very competitive. Is the smart money always

529
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 1: on a Porsche? Yes, the smart money is always on

530
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 1: a nine to eleven winning Laman if you more times

531
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: than not. If you you know, if you make that investment,

532
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: you're going to be you're gonna pay off. So you

533
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: know if you're if you're a gambling person to do that.

534
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: But the Corvett's super competitive, you know.

535
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 2: Side note? What do you think of the nine sixty

536
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: three RSP.

537
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 3: So we're back to hypercars now?

538
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 2: Yess? One of one car they made for Roger Pinski

539
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 2: that's based on their race car thoughts?

540
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 1: Why did they only make one? Make make a twenty one?

541
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 1: There are twenty customers for it?

542
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,160
Speaker 2: Completely agree? Why make only one? Yeah?

543
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: Are you going to get to drive it and think

544
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 1: they'll let you drive it? They're not gonna let me out.

545
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 2: I do. I did see they let a few people

546
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 2: in Europe drive it, a few journalists, so and I

547
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 2: am in touch with them, so I might see if

548
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 2: I can scoot over and get a little a little

549
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 2: even if it's in the parking lot, I'll take it.

550
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 2: I don't care. I would love to drive it.

551
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 4: For me.

552
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 3: That's the most exciting thing. The thing I'm looking forward

553
00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 3: to you the most probably is seeing that car.

554
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 2: I will say, I wish they had made it look cooler.

555
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I understand the concept, but Matt, Matt Miller,

556
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 2: to your point when you texted me about it, like

557
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: anything beside the nine seventeen does not look great.

558
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 3: Never did a nine picture taken next to a nine seventeen, Because.

559
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: Yes, I just wish we it like, I just wish

560
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 2: it looked like nicer. You know, it's going to be

561
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 2: a road car.

562
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: It's a heritage play, right, That is definitely a nostalgia play.

563
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: It is not saying we it's like it's less future focused.

564
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 1: I agree, And nine to seventeen is future focused. This

565
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: is not future focused. This is very much reaching back

566
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,239
Speaker 1: to the past. So that's always the thing with all

567
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: of these sports right with F one. To get a

568
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: trillion new fans, it had to piss off the thirty

569
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: people that really cared so much and are so mad

570
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: that like Lenny Kravitz is at the racer, you know whatever,

571
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: random celebrity right like that, They're like, ohh is that?

572
00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,479
Speaker 1: Like you know, like that's the because that's the only

573
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 1: celebrity they recognize, right. They don't know any any K

574
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: pop stars, And I think you're gonna probably have a

575
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: little bit of that with this. So this is Portia saying, look, people,

576
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: we still remember our history and this is still important

577
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: to us, assuming that new fans are maybe coming. That's

578
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 1: my read on it. But who cares. It looks cool,

579
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 1: it's super fast.

580
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 2: I agree. This isn't getting new fans. No, this is

581
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 2: getting This is only us talking about.

582
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 3: I mean, because of the looks of these things, and

583
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 3: I'm sure some people like the hyper cars the best.

584
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 3: For me, the GT three cars are the most exciting

585
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 3: because that's a car that I could actually buy. And

586
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 3: actually Barbosa told me the GTD that you can buy

587
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 3: is actually a faster car, maybe a better car than

588
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 3: the GT three Because of the bop thing that you

589
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 3: were talking about right. So that's awesome. I could watch

590
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 3: these Mustangs maybe win at Lament, and then I could

591
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 3: go if I had, however much it is three hundred

592
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars and buy one.

593
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: Yes, agreed. Also I think the GT honestly, the GT

594
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: racing I think is also more exciting. You know, in person,

595
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 1: the cars, the hypercars are more impressive and they sound louder,

596
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: but the actual wheel to wheel racing with the GT

597
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: three cars. Problem is if you you new cars are

598
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: more robust than they used to be. The prototypes are

599
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:16,719
Speaker 1: more robust. But you see you with F one like

600
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: you're like that you're having to get out of the

601
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: race for that, Like you know, the two cars barely touched,

602
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they're like there's an angry

603
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,479
Speaker 1: like you know, Belgian dude being like I can't do

604
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: this anymore, angly German guy. At at Laman, you will

605
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: see people mess up cars, especially GT cars. You will

606
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: see them. You'll go like that car is never going again,

607
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,959
Speaker 1: and then they're gonna limp on three wheels five miles

608
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: back to the pits and then a bunch of people

609
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: are gonna crush on that top of that car and

610
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: then three laps later that car is gonna be out

611
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 1: there again, and it's gonna look like it lost a fight.

612
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: It's look at what I'm gonna fight. It looks gonna

613
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: look like it really got its butt kicked, but it's

614
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: gonna do incredible I do. I'm with you. And also,

615
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: there's just so many good cars and so many good

616
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 1: drivers in that class.

617
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 2: This Homer. If it's not Robin, it's not racing, right,

618
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 2: I mean, can we can't we say that? Yes, I'm

619
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: still high on the Dale Earnhardt documentary that I'm obsessed with.

620
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 2: Did you see that?

621
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 3: I still haven't watched it. I really want to watch it.

622
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 2: It's heart degree thoughts. Did you see it?

623
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: No, I haven't seen it yet, but all my friends

624
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,479
Speaker 1: who are in NASCAR are like, you got to watch it.

625
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: It's so good. Like the Problems, there's a Netflix NASCAR

626
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: series and it's fine, but it's very sanitized. And this

627
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: gets back to the point of like, f one you

628
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: care about the drivers. They have made them celebrities, which

629
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: is amazing because some of them are so weird.

630
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 3: Yea, because it's all about the car, like doesn't matter

631
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 3: as much who the driver is in f one. It's

632
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 3: about the Yeah, it's a Errow package.

633
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, So like you have, they've created the drama very well,

634
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: and they've staged that very well. Nascar. All of the

635
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: drama exists, but you have to see it on a delay.

636
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: So what I hear from the Dale documentar and you

637
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: tell me is that you can see how hard it

638
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: is and what's actually going on behind the scenes in

639
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 1: a way that people want to see.

640
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: They's it's amazing and we should say this is a

641
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: Ron Howard Brian Glazer production, so of course it's really

642
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: well done, and it really it's the thing that I've

643
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: seen that most made me realize what these guys are

644
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: going through when they're in the car. It really is insane,

645
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: the edge that they're walking. And of course we all

646
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: know how it ends, so we don't have to get

647
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 2: into that, but like you really really see they're on

648
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: a tight rope in front of everyone. It's it's pretty incredible.

649
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 3: Har does he never know what to do with his hands?

650
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: Did make me want to watch Telladaga Nights again?

651
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 3: I will say his mustache was impressive. But I'm looking

652
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 3: at a picture of Graham Hill right now, and that

653
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 3: is a thing of beauty on his upper lip. This

654
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 3: is apparently the only guy who's ever won the triple crown,

655
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: which is I the Grand Prix, Monico Grand Prix, the

656
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 3: DY five hundred that you mentioned, and twenty four hours

657
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 3: of Lamon. We're going to talk to Jensen Button on Friday.

658
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 3: If he wins at Lamar, then he only has five hundred.

659
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: He only has the hardest one to go.

660
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 3: Is it the hardest one? Indie?

661
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, on an individual so on a team level, Laman

662
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: is probably harder. But like, if you get in the

663
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: right car in F one, you can win. I mean,

664
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: you all know how Monico is, right, if you can

665
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: get qualified qualif you win the race, probably Indy five

666
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: hundred is definitely the hardest on a human being, And

667
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: it's also the thing that a person should not do

668
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: after probably a certain age. And I love Jets and

669
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: Button he's such a nice guy, but he's probably getting

670
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: close to the age where I would not strap myself

671
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: into an Indy five hundred car, So.

672
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 3: It's unlikely that he will pull off the triple crown.

673
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 3: I can't believe only one person has done it, Like

674
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 3: that's pretty It's pretty wild.

675
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: Right, Mario think about it this way. Mario Andretti was

676
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: not success. We think of him as like this great

677
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: race car driver, which he is and awesome and such

678
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: a cool story. He had such a hard time winning

679
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: the Indy five hundred, He had such a like even

680
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: get like like, think about how hard it was for

681
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 1: Mario Andretti, and think how hard it is for so

682
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: many eight drivers throughout history who have tried to win

683
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: the Indy five hundred and have not. That's why it's

684
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: still I love Laman and Laman is so much fun.

685
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: But like Indy five hundred, if you get, if you

686
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: can win one thing in your life in motorsports besides

687
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: an F one championship, because of all of the money

688
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: and then all the things that come with that money,

689
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: I would want to get in Indy five undy.

690
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 3: By the way, walk us through how this actually works.

691
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 3: Say that Hannah and I enter a Mustang GT three.

692
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 3: We have to drive it for twenty four hours to driver.

693
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 3: There is there a third driver, yes, driver, three drivers? Okay,

694
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 3: so you me and Hannah? Yeah, and then do we

695
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 3: do like four every four hours or two hours eight hours?

696
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 3: Can we choose?

697
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: You can sort of choose. And so this gets into

698
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,719
Speaker 1: the complicated thing, the complicated and simple. The complicated answer

699
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,719
Speaker 1: is that drivers all have to drive certain minimums so

700
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: that if you do have a person who is paying

701
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: for this program who is not as fast as professional

702
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: drivers for no reason other than they are not professional

703
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: race car drivers, then you want them to probably drive

704
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: the limited amount of time, the most limited amount of time.

705
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: But that means there's a minimum number of stints. They

706
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: can't just go out and drive for six hours and

707
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: it's like I'm done, Like you know, there have to

708
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: be a certain number of stints. They have to run

709
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: a certain minimum time. Also, the problem isn't actually minimums there,

710
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: it's maximums.

711
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: Right.

712
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: If someone's on a heater and they're having a great day,

713
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: you want to keep them in the car as long

714
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: as possible, but for reasons of competitiveness and also so

715
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: that somebody doesn't get really tired and fly out of Lasar,

716
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, out of the Mulson Straight at two hundred

717
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: miles an hour. They also have to take breaks in between,

718
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: so we would split it up. We would probably have

719
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: let's say I'm the slow driver of the three, I'm

720
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: the one who's paying to be there, which is probably

721
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: not the case. But let's say I'm the one paying

722
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: to be there, you might have me go first. You

723
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of traffic, it's going to be slow.

724
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: My whole goal is to just survive and then just

725
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: put in lap times the second driver. Then the two

726
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,479
Speaker 1: other drivers might switch back and forth. But if it's

727
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: a pro team, you might go with a different strategy.

728
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: At the end, you do want your fastest driver. You

729
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: almost always want your fastest driver at the end of

730
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: the race. But you don't know how that's going to happen.

731
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: Because if you have your fastest driver in the middle

732
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: of the race, there's a wreck and they're just doing

733
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: three laps over thirty minutes slow, that time all counts

734
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: and so now you have to then adjust. And so

735
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: I will say this. You will sleep during the twenty

736
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: four hours. The drivers will sleep on the floor, The mechanics,

737
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: the people changing the tires, they will sleep. The only

738
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: people who will be awake, other than maybe documentarians, are

739
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: the people who are the actual race engineers. They will

740
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: sit on those pit boxes for twenty four hours because

741
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: they have to know what's happening, because they any small

742
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: change in air temperature, in weather, in pits will completely

743
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: change the strategy, so they're constantly having to just just

744
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: move on the fly. So that's the real thing and

745
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: the strategy part of it. It's a little harder to understand,

746
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: but I will say little pro tip. If you listen

747
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: to Radio Laman, Like there's a thing called Radio Lamon

748
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: in your ear set, if you get an ear set

749
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: there to listen to it, or you listen to the radio,

750
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: they actually do a really great job of providing the

751
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: context that the TV does an okay job, but the radio,

752
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: I actually think does a really good job.

753
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 3: I'm looking at the Iron Dames site. By the way, Hannah,

754
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 3: it says Bronze rated drivers, which is like the zero right,

755
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 3: the rich guy or gal in the group have to

756
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 3: drive for a minimum of six hours across the entire

757
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 3: twenty four hour period, and then no driver is allowed

758
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 3: to be behind the wheel for more than four hours

759
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 3: in any six hour period, or more than fourteen hours total.

760
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 3: So that's pretty that's pretty easy to understand.

761
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and easy to do. I mean, we could all

762
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: of us could do fourteen hours racing in a car

763
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: right now, right, we could just the constant g forces

764
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 1: on your neck, you know, it's funny. They actually have

765
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: little little trailers that are kind of off from the paddock,

766
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: and they have like a little village of these little campers,

767
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: and so the race car drivers will just go back

768
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: there and sleep and try it and they'll sleep. It's amazing.

769
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: They'll go back and they'll sleep for like two or

770
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:47,840
Speaker 1: three hours and then come back and they'll get a

771
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: little pasta with chickens, just like the little pasta with chicken,

772
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: get some protein, gets some carbs, and they'll just go

773
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: out there. Whereas like even as just a fan, like

774
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: at three o'clock in the morning, like you're dead, Which

775
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: is also my second piece of advice, besides listening to

776
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: Raide Lamon, I was going to ask three o'clock, three

777
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, you're getting tired, you got a rally,

778
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: don't go to the rave because there is a rave,

779
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: an electronic EDM that's happening. Do that early, get that

780
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: out of your system early, or do that right at

781
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: the end when you're deliriously tired. Go to there's a

782
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: little crape place up at tet Rouge, and it's not

783
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: hard to get to from like the media center, main

784
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: paddock area, wherever you are, and you're just gonna walk

785
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: basically kind of walk north, and you're gonna go and

786
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna sit there and you get a grandmar and

787
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: you a cape, crape maybe or any crap, and to

788
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: tell a crape, whatever your your flavor of crape is,

789
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: and you're just gonna sit there and you're just gonna

790
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 1: eat a crape and you're just gonna see the lights

791
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: go by, and you're just gonna hear the cars and

792
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: it's gonna be heaven. You're gonna just be rejuvenated. You're

793
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: just gonna feel life. And that advice isn't my advice

794
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: that originally I did that, but that came from Bill Riley,

795
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: who is one of the most successful race car team

796
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: managers ever. And he's this big, gruff dude and he

797
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 1: sits on that wall on that pit box all day.

798
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: He takes one break and he walks up to go

799
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: get a crape and then he comes back. That's in

800
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: twenty four hours. It's his only break, and it's enough

801
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: plus a lot of coffee to read you himself. And

802
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: I did it last time I was there, and it

803
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: was it was magical.

804
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 2: I love that now. Hardgre I want to ask you

805
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 2: about the tramway train system in the city, and I'm

806
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: thinking about our listeners who may want to end up

807
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 2: going to the race next year or whatever, Like how

808
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: is it getting to the track from the city and

809
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: do you have any recommendations about how people should do that?

810
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, camp, My recommendation is camp. So yeah, I would camp.

811
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: I would park there. Camping is the absolute best way

812
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: to experience Laman. You know, I slept in a van,

813
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's the best way to do it.

814
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: You can pop in. Actually it's not as inaccessible as

815
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: you would think. You can pop in and pop out.

816
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: You can take a tram, you can get a cab

817
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: or an uber like, it's not it's not terrible. I

818
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: will say, you want to get early enough and you

819
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: all should do this as well. So the track is

820
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: on city streets for a lot of it, and in

821
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: between practices and qualifying it's open and there's like the

822
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: curbs and everything, so you can go drive on the

823
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: actual racetrack as you know you've been there. You can

824
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: drive on the race track when the race track is

825
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: an in session, and that's like incredible. So like I

826
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: would rent a car buy a cheap from the care

827
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: floor or whatever, or a motorcycle, buy a cheap sleeping

828
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: bag and then just do it that way. That's what

829
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: the Brits all do when they go, and it's it's

830
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: the best way to experience it because you want to

831
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: be there, like no offense to Lamon. Lamon itself is

832
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: like a cute town. If you go early for scrutineering

833
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: with a called the Passage, you can like go see

834
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: all that fun stuff. But like it's just every other

835
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: little European town. There's a church, there's eighteen lingerie shops

836
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 1: and only one toy store for some reason when you

837
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: trying to get something for Edith and the kids, like

838
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: you know, like there's just you know, like like you know,

839
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: it's fun, it's fine, but the track is where you

840
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: want to be. Except for Friday, they do a parade

841
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: around the city and that's that's what's going to.

842
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 3: We're going to broadcast live at the track during the parade,

843
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 3: so we'll miss that. But luckily we're done with our

844
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 3: work pretty much our work duties by the time the

845
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 3: race starts at four pm on Saturday. Yeah, at we'll

846
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 3: be free but tired.

847
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 2: I'd be doing a lot of Red Bull.

848
00:37:59,080 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: It's a red Bull of it.

849
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: I love red Bull. I love myself a red Bull,

850
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 2: I always have.

851
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't like that any of those energy drinks.

852
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 3: They make me feel like I'm on bad, bad drugs,

853
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 3: you know. So I'm not down to clown and I

854
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 3: don't drink anymore. So I'm not going to be hanging

855
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 3: out with the Brits at the camp.

856
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh man. And I will say also, when it

857
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: gets hot in the afternoon a little there's like a

858
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: whole aparaol tent operol spirits of the afternoon. That's also

859
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,439
Speaker 1: a recommendation. You could have a great time.

860
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Speaker 2: You can have such good you know Aaron keating at

861
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 2: Cox Automotive.

862
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 3: Of course.

863
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: Now Aaron said that she got a fish pedicure in

864
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 2: the Outing tint one year. Do you know about this Matt.

865
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 4: Fish pedicure like p h I s h or f

866
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 4: fish the little gold they eat the calluses like piranhas.

867
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 1: Yes, much much smaller piranhas.

868
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 3: Yes.

869
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: And I will say this, you know, like that ain't

870
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: happening at Seabring, no offense. I love Sea bring. You

871
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: can get an natty light pedicure. You can probably get

872
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: a pH fish paddicure pedicure from someone there. Yeah, no,

873
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: I mean there's just so many opportunities, and like, let's

874
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: be honest, like you either can spend a lot of

875
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: money or you can be a schlubby journalist like us,

876
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 1: and as a slubby journalist like us, you get access

877
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: to all of that stuff. But even then everyone has

878
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: access to the apparaol tent, and the aparaol tent at

879
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: like Laguna Seka is not as good as necessarily the

880
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: operole tent there. Like like I shouldn't say Alex did

881
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: Lgunasak is great at Pocono. Let's say at Pocono you

882
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 1: ain't getting an apparol tent. You ain't getting a operol sprits.

883
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 3: Dude, tell us what you're doing now? Tell us about

884
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 3: the autopian When when you and I first met, you

885
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 3: were running Jelopnik, which was like an amazing time to

886
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 3: be a car lover. And then things kind of went haywire.

887
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 3: You did some documentaries, you did a lot of TV

888
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 3: and film. What do you what are your focus is

889
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 3: right now? Yeah?

890
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: That was thank you for I love to be able

891
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: to plug the autopian. Yeah, Gelot mcdays were really fun.

892
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: I tried to hire Hannah. She took this job instead

893
00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: and made the right choice. Historically, you've definitely made the

894
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: right decision given what happened. Yeah. So the Autopian is,

895
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: you know, we've been around for about three years. It

896
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: was founded by two Chilopnak writers, David Tracy and Jason Twortinski,

897
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: and then Bo Bachman Helliott. I think you know, boh

898
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: Elliott says, Elliott there, Hanna.

899
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 2: You know, but everyone calls my real friends call me Elliott.

900
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: There you go. Hopefully I'm a real friend.

901
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 3: I bought a car from Bo.

902
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: You bought a car, right, and you're an Autopian member

903
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: as well, So you're getting all So yeah, I mean

904
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: we just we all remember how great websites were like

905
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: eight or nine years ago, and because of programmatic advertising,

906
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: because of social media, and I don't think it's like

907
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: websites have gotten bad. They're not fan hold Cogan and

908
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: Hull Cogan. They've gotten harder to read, harder to get to.

909
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: Facebook tells you what to read. We were just like,

910
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: what if we did a website for people who just

911
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: love cars and just want to read about cars and

912
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: want to enjoy the company of other car enthusiasts and

913
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: want to do it on a site that will actually

914
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,479
Speaker 1: load on their phone before like sixteen pop up bads

915
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: load up on their phone. And so we're trying it.

916
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: So remember supported, we do have advertising, but if you

917
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: become a member, there's no advertising anymore. And that's done

918
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: really well for us, and you know, it's it's launching

919
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: a media company in the twenty twenties sounded like an

920
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: insane idea, and it was an insane idea, but you know,

921
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: we've hoped proven that you can build a sustainable enterprise

922
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: if you put the reader first and you don't try

923
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 1: to like just say like, let's do an SEO garbage

924
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: play and make everything an arbitrage for Facebook traffic. Like

925
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: if you're just like, what if we wrote good stories

926
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: that people like and we wrote about weird cars that

927
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: people like, maybe we could be successful. And it's we're

928
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: not gonna have four hundred million readers, probably, but I

929
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: don't care. The readers we have. I love them, and

930
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: they're growing every month, and that's where we want to be.

931
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: Did you do like an MBA or something, because you know,

932
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 3: all of these high falutin business terms, and but you're

933
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 3: just a car fanboy at heart.

934
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 1: So there's a large part of me that wishes I

935
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: didn't know any of this. The problem is is that

936
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 1: to survive as a journalist these days, you know, unless

937
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: you're enormously talented like the two of you, if you're

938
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: the rest of us, then you have to understand all

939
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 1: this stuff if you want to survive, because you're otherwise.

940
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: If you don't learn this stuff, you're kind of at

941
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: the behest and at the whim of everyone else. And

942
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: I've been through enough layoffs, I've been through enough terrible

943
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: times in media that we basically just decided, let's take

944
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: control of it ourselves. So we had to learn all

945
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: this stuff, and we made lots of mistakes. We're probably

946
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: still doing a lot of stuff wrong, but we just

947
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: had to learn it. And so, yeah, no, do I

948
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: wish I knew what an RPM CPM do? I wish

949
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: I knew what agentic AI was. No, I wish I

950
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: knew none of that stuff, But somebody has to. So

951
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 1: it's me cool.

952
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: I love it and I respect that completely. And I

953
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 2: also love that you have a piece about Sabrina Carpenter

954
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 2: on the front page of the autopian.

955
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: She's so good and also she loves the weird cars

956
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: like her and her artistic contribute collaborators. I don't know,

957
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: but like she's got an eye for like the very

958
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you've gotta you gotta see three Corvette, right, yeah, yes,

959
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Speaker 1: I do.

960
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 3: You're cool. She has more than one C three Corvette.

961
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 2: Thanks, criminally underrated. I will say it till the day

962
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 2: I A.

963
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: I think Blaze is cool again. I mean she's like

964
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: the queen of Blaze, like that that whole video. The

965
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: new video is Almalay's cars. But actually it makes sense

966
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: both from a just time shifts, so not everyone wants

967
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: sixties cars anymore and seventies cars are bad. But like,

968
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,919
Speaker 1: if you just want to go cruise, do you care

969
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: that it has a smog choked V eight? Like does

970
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: it matter to you that your C three does not

971
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: have five hundred horse power?

972
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 2: No?

973
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: It looks awesome, You look awesome in it? Who cares?

974
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 3: Sabrina Carpenter is a pop music person or who is that?

975
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: Matt? I'll send you the video.

976
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: Is she related to the Carpenters?

977
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Speaker 2: I don't think so.

978
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 3: Like the very depressing yeah, seventies.

979
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 2: Bachild Google Sabrina Carpenter Manchild and you'll see a video

980
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 2: with cool cool cars on it.

981
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 3: All right. One other thing, aside from Lament, and aside

982
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 3: from the autopian that I wanted to talk to you about,

983
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 3: was all this crazy autocross stuff that you do. Because

984
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 3: you're always asking me to go up to Limerock, which

985
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 3: is awesome, but you're driving the oddest cars. A lot

986
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 3: of time on track. You were in an M five

987
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 3: station wagon, which is like a luxury sedan made bigger.

988
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 3: And why that? Why choose that car for autocross?

989
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: So some of that was just timing. We had the car. Also,

990
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: if BMW asks for tire reasons, we barely put it

991
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: on the track. It was only for like a hot

992
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: minute because we said we would not we would leave

993
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: the tires.

994
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 3: Oh should we cut this cart down?

995
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,959
Speaker 1: No, No, it's fine, it's fine, and we had a portion.

996
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: No.

997
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: Actually, I want to bring a minivan next. Look, I

998
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: am not going to be at Laman. I am not

999
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: a great driver, it is I As you know, these

1000
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: cars have gotten so fast that finding the limit of

1001
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: the car now is very scary. That's why a Miata

1002
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: is so much fun, because you can find the limit

1003
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: of a Miata really fun. I mean, you're your challenger right,

1004
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: like you're just there's so much power, you're traction limited.

1005
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: Like you know where the edge of that car is

1006
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: because you can find it by just pushing down the

1007
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: skinny pedal and you're there.

1008
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 3: I'm always close to the edge of that car.

1009
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1010
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 3: No, but it makes it fun at forty five right

1011
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 3: right now, I'm driving the Carrera GTS T hybrid, which

1012
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 3: is amazing, right, but you have to be triple digits

1013
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 3: before it's kind of exciting, and then you're already in trouble.

1014
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: You know what car's fast at twenty miles an hour

1015
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: around a racetrack, Yata Toyota, Siena Toyota.

1016
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.

1017
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: So that's fun. Like I liked it. I just like

1018
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: to have fun with cars, and fun with cars is

1019
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: doing things that are not Like, if you want to

1020
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: go read about how the latest Corvette does around a

1021
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: racetrack roadent track, is going to do a better job

1022
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: than I'm probably gonna do if you want to, but

1023
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: they're not going to necessarily. Actually they did once. That

1024
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: sounds surely entirely true, but like it's more fun. It's

1025
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: just more fun to slow. Car fast is faster than

1026
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: fast car slow if you are not racing at them

1027
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: on this weekend. That's just the reality.

1028
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 2: That's the headline of this entire conversation.

1029
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 3: All right, Hannah, you have to run and catch your flight.

1030
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: Yes, Matt haartegree. Thank you for joining us. Come back

1031
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 2: and talk to us more. This was really great. We

1032
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 2: really appreciate it.

1033
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: Bom voyage. Enjoy, Enjoy a crepe for me, take a picture,

1034
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: Send me a picture I want to put on Instagram.

1035
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, well, Hannah's got to run and catch

1036
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 3: her flight. I am going to run and catch my flight.

1037
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 3: So I guess we'll end it here, but we will

1038
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 3: probably be broadcasting our next episode could be from Lament.

1039
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 2: It might be also we have a very big guest

1040
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 2: next week that all of my girlfriends are obsessed with.

1041
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the producer. Yes, catch us next time with Total.

1042
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: It would be such a good episode. You have to

1043
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: listen to the episode, Michael, it'd be so great.

1044
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 3: That's Schwartz and I love. All right, that's it. I'm

1045
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 3: Matt Miller and

1046
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is Bloomberg