Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,
Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my
Speaker 1: name is Noel. And although I insisted on keeping our
Speaker 1: show from getting to air at the time it should
Speaker 1: because I had to play some dumb YouTube songs, I'm
Speaker 1: still Ben, hopefully you're still you. And today we are
Speaker 1: looking at something that touches on a lot of basis
Speaker 1: for things that we have covered in the past. So
Speaker 1: I figured maybe one of the best ways to start
Speaker 1: is I wanted to ask you guys. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we've ever talked about this on air, did you
Speaker 1: ever want to be an asked or not? When you
Speaker 1: grew up. I watched a lot of Nickelodeon when I
Speaker 1: was a kid, and as you may or may not remember,
Speaker 1: a lot of those shows were sponsored by space Camp,
Speaker 1: and um, you know that was the big grand prize
Speaker 1: if you went on Doubledare you got to go to
Speaker 1: space Camp. And I think we all remember seeing the
Speaker 1: commercial where these kids were just floating, you know, weightlifts,
Speaker 1: and we're like, I want to go to there. That
Speaker 1: seems totally awesome. Spoiler alert. My roommate went to space camp.
Speaker 1: No such room, no such anti gravity room. You know
Speaker 1: who else went to space camp? Here's that? This guy? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was a young astronaut. I was fascinated by I
Speaker 1: went to a couple of camps and I think Huntsville,
Speaker 1: Alabama is where they have a lot of that stuff,
Speaker 1: and it was it was great. I mean that was
Speaker 1: my dream, man, I was I was either going to
Speaker 1: be a marine biologist or an astronaut. What did you
Speaker 1: think being an astronaut really meant? Did you Did you
Speaker 1: have the concept of space scientists or were you thinking
Speaker 1: you were going to be like, you know, battling extra No,
Speaker 1: I was hoping scientists. That's that was the track I
Speaker 1: wanted to be on. I didn't need to talk down
Speaker 1: to your younger self. Their right, Yeah, I also know
Speaker 1: you know this. I also went to space camp. In
Speaker 1: the mass everybody went to space camp except me. So
Speaker 1: I think we should take you to space camp right
Speaker 1: af there we go to David Busters. Look, I'm not
Speaker 1: joking about either of those. And I see your smirks
Speaker 1: from across the table, Ladies, and gentlemen of the Internet,
Speaker 1: our but the steamed co host by close friends outside
Speaker 1: of work. I think I'm joking about David Busters and
Speaker 1: the Space program. I'm not joking about either of those.
Speaker 1: Visiting space related stuff is so cool. And No, you
Speaker 1: are a meticulous person when it comes to your work
Speaker 1: ethic and a lot of people might not know this
Speaker 1: because you're You're very relaxed and personable and and chill.
Speaker 1: When you know, when we're hanging out, we're talking from
Speaker 1: time you do, we do know what buttons you have?
Speaker 1: You guys, there's an adult space camp in Huntsville, Alabama,
Speaker 1: and it is available and we can go Adult is
Speaker 1: in for grown ups or adult is in like Showtime
Speaker 1: after Dark? Maybe both. Hopefully it is uh for a
Speaker 1: four day space camp. It's six dollars. That seems like
Speaker 1: a lot of money. Did they cover the food? I
Speaker 1: hope so all that freeze dried ice cream. Man cannot
Speaker 1: live on freeze dried ice cream alone. But if you're
Speaker 1: like us, then you probably at some point when you
Speaker 1: were a kid, thought of being an astronaut. How cool
Speaker 1: is it to go where no one has gone before?
Speaker 1: And even even in adulthood, many of us retain this
Speaker 1: fascination without space, right Uh. And we've seen the resurgence
Speaker 1: of this with the whole mission to Mars Idea, all
Speaker 1: the all of the volunteers who are coming out from
Speaker 1: everywhere just saying yeah, I'll do it. And Ellen Musk,
Speaker 1: the founder of PayPal and and Tesla Motors, just declared
Speaker 1: recently or reiterated again more definitively that he aims to
Speaker 1: take some people to Mars. And who knows, maybe one
Speaker 1: of us, maybe one one of us, whether listening or
Speaker 1: podcasting today, could be on that ship. What we know
Speaker 1: is that humanity has always been fascinated by space, and
Speaker 1: it's um, it's up there with the ocean as the
Speaker 1: least explored environment that we have encountered. We went House
Speaker 1: of Works went to NASA's Goddard Space Center, uh several
Speaker 1: months back to check out the successor to the Hubble telescope,
Speaker 1: that James Webb telescope. And when we were there, we
Speaker 1: have videos that will go ahead and plug that you
Speaker 1: can find on the how Stuff Works YouTube channel, which
Speaker 1: is you know, kind of the full disclosure. I'm in
Speaker 1: a couple of them, the bad interviews. I'm the one
Speaker 1: doing the bad interviews. But then our our our friend,
Speaker 1: uh and maybe future guest host, right, no, Holly Fry,
Speaker 1: Yeah is on there from stuff you missed in history class,
Speaker 1: so you can learn more about the science of exploring space,
Speaker 1: at least the publicly acknowledged stuff. Today's question is a
Speaker 1: little bit different. But before we go into that, let's
Speaker 1: let's talk about some of the things we know about
Speaker 1: publicly acknowledged space exploration today. Like, first off, it's expensive, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's crazy expensive in the cost of development and five
Speaker 1: years of operation was estimated to be eight point eight
Speaker 1: three five billion dollars with a B for the James
Speaker 1: Webb for this telescope to you the one, yeah, the
Speaker 1: one that you got to go look at and when
Speaker 1: you were in there, it's this massive facility with people
Speaker 1: just working around the clock. Just I mean, because not
Speaker 1: only did the old the thing, you have to test
Speaker 1: it so vigorously for years because once it's up there,
Speaker 1: it's up there. Yeah, what are you gonna do? Right?
Speaker 1: And then there's you know, there's a huge history of
Speaker 1: of of space exploration, right, the space race. May have
Speaker 1: heard that term before, right, Cold War USSR versus the
Speaker 1: United States began in nineteen fifty five, but it continues
Speaker 1: today and there are more people in the game. Yes. So,
Speaker 1: as of they're an estimated seventy different state sponsored space agencies,
Speaker 1: thirteen of those have a known ability to launch vessels
Speaker 1: out into space. Okay, that makes sense. So what we're
Speaker 1: saying there is that of those seventy, the majority of
Speaker 1: the agencies don't themselves have the ability to launch their
Speaker 1: own thing. They partner with other agencies like NASA, that
Speaker 1: is the idea. So of those thirteen, though, only six
Speaker 1: have what's known as full launch capability. That means they
Speaker 1: can actually get back some of the things they shoot
Speaker 1: out to space, like recovering satellites for example. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not a one and done scenario where you put
Speaker 1: it out there and we're never going to see that
Speaker 1: guy again. Um. They can actually deploy cryogenic rocket engines um.
Speaker 1: And they can also operate probes remotely. Yeah. So once
Speaker 1: it's once it's out there in space, you've got to
Speaker 1: handle on how to make it work. Or you can
Speaker 1: drop a vehicle remotely right to voyage around Mars. Uh. Yes,
Speaker 1: that that's strange that when you think of the rate
Speaker 1: of attrition there seventy different agencies, thirteen can put something
Speaker 1: up and six can do something effective with it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so six out of all the countries on Earth. And
Speaker 1: we know, of course that state sponsored agencies are not
Speaker 1: the only ones in the game that you alluded to
Speaker 1: this earlier, right. Oh yes, billionaires and well not just billionaires,
Speaker 1: a lot of billionaires though, and their private corporations are
Speaker 1: getting into this, this whole space game we saw. Let's
Speaker 1: see space X. That's the again founded by Elon Musk,
Speaker 1: like you you mentioned. They just launched another satellite, the
Speaker 1: second in just a couple of weeks here. I think
Speaker 1: it was a Thaie communication satellite. Previously there was a
Speaker 1: Japanese satellite that went up. Um. And the crazy thing
Speaker 1: about space x is that they can, like you're saying,
Speaker 1: reusing the materials, they bring their entire rocket back down
Speaker 1: and landed. Someone looks made up. It's like this vertical
Speaker 1: rocket coming down onto a little like a drone boat,
Speaker 1: drone platform out in the middle of the ocean. It's bizarre.
Speaker 1: It looks like someone played the clip in reverse and
Speaker 1: it launching. It's very strange. And I mean, all of
Speaker 1: this is so fascinating because we're entering a time now
Speaker 1: where I mean this in the past has been in
Speaker 1: the realm exclusively of big government agencies that have all
Speaker 1: of this budget for this stuff. And as we know,
Speaker 1: you know, focus on space exploration has kind of waxed
Speaker 1: and waned over the years a bit, and now it's
Speaker 1: kind of sitting squarely in the realm of these billionaires
Speaker 1: who are able to raise their own money, use their
Speaker 1: own capital to do their own research, and it seems
Speaker 1: like some of them are doing a pretty good job. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: the day we're recording this, Jeff Bezos is Blue Origin.
Speaker 1: Another one they just launched an unmanned aircraft are excusing spacecraft.
Speaker 1: Uh it's a prototype rocket that's apparently supposed to be reusable,
Speaker 1: just like the other ones, and they again landed it
Speaker 1: back on Earth. So another company with another billionaire in
Speaker 1: Bezos is the Emperor of Amazon. And those aren't the
Speaker 1: only private space flight or uh, space ears, space space tycoons.
Speaker 1: I can't call them space tycoons yet. How about space
Speaker 1: katiers space gatiers perfect like Rocketeer. Sure you don't seem
Speaker 1: as happy with that. I like it all right? Who
Speaker 1: else is in this game? Oh, you've got Virgin Galactic,
Speaker 1: another billionaire there, Bigelow Aerospace, X Core Aerospace, Orbital Sciences.
Speaker 1: I mean, the list goes on. There's ARCA, they're they're
Speaker 1: all kinds of other ones that are from different countries.
Speaker 1: Sometimes a lot of these are based in the US, um,
Speaker 1: but they're they're all over the planet, right, and just
Speaker 1: being based in the US, of course, does not restrict
Speaker 1: their operations there. There are optimal places around the globe
Speaker 1: from which to launch something into space, so they travel
Speaker 1: widely there on a world tour. So given the lessons
Speaker 1: learned from the private entities and from the history of
Speaker 1: state sponsored space agencies, we found, uh, we found some
Speaker 1: some pretty interesting things about space travel. If you are
Speaker 1: interested in the idea of space travel, we'd also like
Speaker 1: you to check out how Stuff works other podcast particularly well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think almost everybody has something of
Speaker 1: space travel. Absolutely. Our friends over at Stuff Mom never
Speaker 1: told you have done some great work on female astronauts,
Speaker 1: women in the airspace industry in general. Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: so it goes across the board. Every every podcast we
Speaker 1: have as something about space has done a couple of things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah as well. So we did lunar rovers. So what
Speaker 1: we found is that despite the evolution of space travel,
Speaker 1: there's still a few things that are true. And here
Speaker 1: they are just across the board. I'll go first. It's
Speaker 1: terrifyingly easy for something to go wrong, frighteningly easy. For example,
Speaker 1: the Challenger disaster, and that's not that's not that's just
Speaker 1: one that's in the public sphere. There are multiple classified
Speaker 1: accidents that occurred during the Soviet space programs. You've learned
Speaker 1: about a few of those cosmonauts, and we have done
Speaker 1: work before on a lost cos not theories, and I
Speaker 1: think Jonathan Strickland from tech Stuff has covered it. But
Speaker 1: definitely people died in training, and as we mentioned earlier
Speaker 1: podcasts were literally erased from history. There's some fascinating stories
Speaker 1: in within that topic, so I would encourage you to
Speaker 1: go check that out if you're listening to this. So
Speaker 1: a big part, like what I was leading to earlier,
Speaker 1: that makes this so difficult to do, is that these voyages,
Speaker 1: this equipment, everything that goes into doing this stuff incredibly
Speaker 1: prohibitively expensive. So the average cost of a man space
Speaker 1: launch was estimated to be four hundred and fifty million
Speaker 1: dollars in twenty eleven. That's for a single launch, and
Speaker 1: that's by NASA. That's by NASA. And then the overall
Speaker 1: cost for a shuttle's thirty year lifespan. So if you're
Speaker 1: in it for the long haul, you're looking at a
Speaker 1: one hundred and nineties six billion dollar tab, which is
Speaker 1: adjusted for inflation for for right now. But still, how
Speaker 1: is that a number? That's that's amazing. But then there's
Speaker 1: there's a third thing here about every kind of space endeavor,
Speaker 1: which we were startled to find in some of our
Speaker 1: earlier work. Yeah, how in the heck do you keep
Speaker 1: it a secret that you are using fuel, very loud,
Speaker 1: very bright, uh fuel to launch things up into and
Speaker 1: beyond the atmosphere? How do you keep that a secret?
Speaker 1: And then how do you keep a satellite a secret?
Speaker 1: And when it's orbit in the sky, which at this
Speaker 1: point is still uncensored. Today's question, ladies and gentlemen, do
Speaker 1: world governments and corporations have secret space programs? Given the cost,
Speaker 1: given how incredibly difficult it is. It's like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try to make a video game reference. Tell me if
Speaker 1: I get it. It's like if there were Dark Souls fourteen,
Speaker 1: does that work? I? Think so. I mean, so it's
Speaker 1: a little different, but I'm gonna go Souls is the
Speaker 1: tough one, right, Yeah, that's the tough one. I'm so
Speaker 1: out of it. Well, yeah, because in a way, every time,
Speaker 1: if you really want to get into the space program,
Speaker 1: much like if you really want to get into Dark Souls,
Speaker 1: you basically have to take up the controller and attempt
Speaker 1: as many times as you possibly can, and you'll get
Speaker 1: things right as you go along, little by little by
Speaker 1: little by little. But ultimately you can't just jump in
Speaker 1: and get the whole thing right. You can't just win
Speaker 1: by starting the space race. I'm sorry that I gave
Speaker 1: you this albatross of the metaphor. I'm trying to work
Speaker 1: with it. Let's just let it go. I apologize. I
Speaker 1: guess what I'm saying is ultimately you end up throwing
Speaker 1: the controller against the wall in both cases. I guess, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's familiar, the controller or the or the lander. Right,
Speaker 1: what we know for sure that we know for sure
Speaker 1: that secret space programs did exist, and historically the origins
Speaker 1: and really space programs or shrouded in secret. Began his
Speaker 1: research into rocketry and rockets. The idea of a rocket
Speaker 1: is ancient dates all the way back to the first
Speaker 1: principles essential to rocket flight came from the writings of
Speaker 1: a Roman named ALUs Gellius, who told a story about
Speaker 1: a Greek guy named Arcitas who lived in a city
Speaker 1: called Tarantum is now part of southern Italy, somewhere around
Speaker 1: four b C. According to this story, he uh he
Speaker 1: made a pigeon out of wood and amused people by
Speaker 1: flying it using the principles of rocketry, the action reaction principle,
Speaker 1: which wasn't a scientific law until the seventeenth century. The
Speaker 1: point is, maybe this metaphor is not or this excuse me,
Speaker 1: comparison is not that far off, because you were You
Speaker 1: are absolutely right about baby steps. So we know that
Speaker 1: people began working on rockets way before they thought about
Speaker 1: taking them to space. But we know that given the
Speaker 1: research of rocketry and the enormous jump it had during
Speaker 1: World War Two, the foundations of the US rocketry programs,
Speaker 1: the U s s R, which was the big the
Speaker 1: big other agency at the Cold War UH and what
Speaker 1: ultimately became a space program, what ultimately lead to atomic bombs,
Speaker 1: involved some shady stuff, in particular something known as Operation
Speaker 1: paper Clip. Yes, that's when Nazi scientists and scientists from
Speaker 1: other non allied countries were brought to both to the
Speaker 1: to the United States, to the United Kingdoms and other
Speaker 1: parts of the world where they were secreted away. You know,
Speaker 1: these are people who were working on specialized projects for
Speaker 1: let's say, for bad people doing bad things like then
Speaker 1: or Brown. Yeah, but they had an amazing amount of
Speaker 1: research and intelligence, and strategically, I guess it just made
Speaker 1: a lot of sense to keep them around and just
Speaker 1: to jump on the the rocketry programs that the world had.
Speaker 1: It was all about launching a missile or launching, you know,
Speaker 1: a bomb. How do I get this bomb all the
Speaker 1: way over here where I wanted to explode and you know,
Speaker 1: not have to take a ship over there or a
Speaker 1: plane or something. That's that is why we have space flight.
Speaker 1: It's because we wanted to figure out how to more
Speaker 1: effectively bomb people from far away, which is kind of
Speaker 1: strange to think about. And the US government as a
Speaker 1: history of this as well. I mean, the CIA actually
Speaker 1: ran a secret satellite surveillance network A have a fun
Speaker 1: thing to say three times fast from fifty nine to
Speaker 1: nineteen two, where and they spied on the USSR and
Speaker 1: the People's reblic of China from you guessed it out
Speaker 1: of space UM. And this is a story I love
Speaker 1: so much because it just goes to know the scrappy
Speaker 1: nature of you know, getting things done by the U. S. Government.
Speaker 1: So the UM satellites didn't actually have the ability to
Speaker 1: transmit photographs remotely, you know, through uh, through the air
Speaker 1: right the sixties, what's what's what's the what's the fix there? Well,
Speaker 1: they actually had negatives and they would drop the negatives
Speaker 1: from space. Yeah, I'm picturing little parachutes and I just
Speaker 1: don't even There are pictures you can see pictures and
Speaker 1: even diagrams on well Wikipedia's where I found them of
Speaker 1: the Corona that we're talking about, the Corona program. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: you can see just just how old fashioned it looks
Speaker 1: and feels. How just can't imagine how who do they
Speaker 1: send out? What poor sucker do they send out to
Speaker 1: find these things? And where's the film adaptation to that?
Speaker 1: I bet there's maybe there's a classified script they're still somewhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But they spent a lot of money on that as well.
Speaker 1: According to some former officials, the total estimated cost the
Speaker 1: program was eight hundred and fifty million dollars, which doesn't
Speaker 1: sound like that much compared to you know, four d
Speaker 1: fifty for one launch, right, but you know we're talking
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties dollars when it was mostly in use, right.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if they factored in, you know,
Speaker 1: like developing the film, developing negatives, got interns to do that, right, Right,
Speaker 1: they just went to a photo mat um something. And
Speaker 1: they weren't the only ones doing it, and and uh,
Speaker 1: Corona was not the most um widespread of these sorts
Speaker 1: of programs. Oh yeah, the Russian side had theirs. Their
Speaker 1: own thing is Zenet I think seen it. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure exactly how to pronounce it. But they were doing
Speaker 1: photo reconnaissance in the same way, um, but they were
Speaker 1: doing it a lot more I think. I think their
Speaker 1: their program was a lot more extensive. Yeah, they had
Speaker 1: over five hundred Zenet satellites flown, which makes it to
Speaker 1: this day the most numerous type of satellite and the
Speaker 1: history of space exploration. Yeah, oh yeah, these were launched. Okay,
Speaker 1: So here's here's a weird anecdote that does apply to this.
Speaker 1: So we all know what a tank is, right, Uh? Tank?
Speaker 1: In war, they're called tanks and the old story goes
Speaker 1: because when they were being shipped around in England or
Speaker 1: around Europe to avoid prying eyes, they were created and
Speaker 1: called water tanks, and so that became their nickname. Going
Speaker 1: to our earlier point about how difficult it would be
Speaker 1: to secretly launched something from space, Uh, these things. The
Speaker 1: Russians and the US accepted that the other side would
Speaker 1: notice when they sent something into space, so they labeled
Speaker 1: them as different things or put them in different programs
Speaker 1: so that they seemed like they were a pushing a
Speaker 1: different purpose. And as as you said, oh yeah, these
Speaker 1: these were probably above top secret level, some kind of
Speaker 1: compartmentalized need to know basis intelligence where you know, imagine
Speaker 1: that you're the president of a country and then some
Speaker 1: suit comes up to you one of your advisors and says,
Speaker 1: we have evidence that shows that we need to, you know,
Speaker 1: invade this country now or send a force here. You
Speaker 1: go ye, and they say we can't tell you, and
Speaker 1: then you go, but I'm the president, and they say,
Speaker 1: I know, Mr President. And then eventually you're persuasive enough
Speaker 1: that somebody from uh you know, the CIA or the
Speaker 1: n s A or some other alphabet agency just sort
Speaker 1: of slides a blurry photograph across across the desk at you,
Speaker 1: and that's how you find out how did you get
Speaker 1: focused on this? So yeah, how wait? Wait? And I
Speaker 1: have to said, okay, the way these satellites look, the
Speaker 1: Zenit programmed satellites. You can again go on to Wikipedia.
Speaker 1: You can look at a picture of one of these.
Speaker 1: It looks like a large sphere that has some optics
Speaker 1: kind of and glass pointing out of it, and then
Speaker 1: a little I don't know if in this picture that's
Speaker 1: being shown, if it's just sitting on a holder. Because
Speaker 1: it is a giant sphere. I think that's probably the case.
Speaker 1: They just put the sphere down on a on a base.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. If you guys remember the stories
Speaker 1: coming out a couple maybe a month ago about the
Speaker 1: giant spheres found in Bosnia. This is a complete tangent here,
Speaker 1: but giant spheres found. There's supposedly these huge stone spheres
Speaker 1: and this one guy found one and he's claiming that
Speaker 1: it's all these different things, and there have been numerous
Speaker 1: explanations about what it is. It looks exactly like a
Speaker 1: Zenit satellite, one that maybe just ended up in Bosnia,
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's interesting because you have to wonder
Speaker 1: what kind of a crazy game that that is, the
Speaker 1: play where they're like, well, the satellites coming down, Agent Brown,
Speaker 1: you have to be a Kazakhstan in twelve hours. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And how the heck can you get this giant sphere
Speaker 1: onto a like a flatbed truck or something. Oh? Wow,
Speaker 1: very carefully, my friend, Very carefully, and sadly, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know if you could make it to Kazakhstan
Speaker 1: in twelve hours from So we're just luck here, all right.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna have to go out to UH to
Speaker 1: one of our other operatives, which is weird because I
Speaker 1: just hate Darren. He's such a He's been slipping. He's
Speaker 1: Darren has been slipping. And if you are listening, Darren,
Speaker 1: you're fired. Sorry Darren. Wow, we just made up Darren
Speaker 1: and fired him in the space a few minutes. Okay.
Speaker 1: So we know that these programmes existed, and these are
Speaker 1: just a few, just to show that multiple kinds of
Speaker 1: programs have have existed. One of the first aims of
Speaker 1: this was to achieve supremacy in the space race, and
Speaker 1: the first from from the first satellite launched by humankind
Speaker 1: spot Nick, the U S s R and the U S.
Speaker 1: We're trying to outdo each other and to get superior surveillance.
Speaker 1: Corona probably wouldn't have happened as soon as it did
Speaker 1: had a YouTube spy plane not been shot down earlier.
Speaker 1: And so they said, well, we'll just go higher on
Speaker 1: space where they can't reach us. And then immediately people
Speaker 1: began working on how to kill how to kill a satellite.
Speaker 1: So the question is, can we from this historical precedent,
Speaker 1: can we say that secret space programs continue today or
Speaker 1: was this just some cold war thing? I'm not sure,
Speaker 1: but we'll figure it out right after a quick break.
Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. There are active secret space programs. Uh,
Speaker 1: some of us know a little bit about them because
Speaker 1: they're little bits and pieces of details that get leaks
Speaker 1: or that are allowed to be discussed from a pr perspective.
Speaker 1: But the ins and outs of these programs, the actual
Speaker 1: processes that are occurring, or what kind of research is
Speaker 1: being done with these, we won't know probably for fifty years,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe a hundred years, maybe never until they're declassified.
Speaker 1: And we have several examples of these. Yeah, one of
Speaker 1: the biggest examples the something that is a personal off
Speaker 1: the air obsession for some of us in this room,
Speaker 1: and that is the infamous X thirty seven B, which
Speaker 1: is an unmanned spacecraft that has been in orbit as
Speaker 1: you check this show out, or as we record this,
Speaker 1: at least, it's been in orbit for almost a year
Speaker 1: now on this stent. And what's it doing up there?
Speaker 1: Because I don't know, Yeah, it was. It was launched
Speaker 1: on the twentie of May of last year, and that
Speaker 1: was its fourth flight. Yeah, the fourth time it's been
Speaker 1: up there. It's still just going around doing who knows what,
Speaker 1: just just hanging out. Probably, I bet you know. It's
Speaker 1: probably just a leisure cruise for the AI system. They're
Speaker 1: trying to get it used to what it will be
Speaker 1: like to be isolated in space, right, That's what it is.
Speaker 1: It's not a big deal. I spoke with Jonathan about
Speaker 1: this yesterday because he was doing a live Facebook feed
Speaker 1: and he was talking about NASA a bit, and I
Speaker 1: mentioned the X thirties seven B, and man if he
Speaker 1: didn't just throw water so hard on on my thoughts that, hey,
Speaker 1: maybe there's something, you know, weird being tested up there
Speaker 1: are some kind of surveillance program that's being used with
Speaker 1: this thing, or maybe uh maybe checking the ability to
Speaker 1: somehow interfere with other satellites. And I feel like that's
Speaker 1: a big thing to me. If people are putting money
Speaker 1: into these programs, there needs to be some sort of
Speaker 1: strategic advantage for doing it. And you know how better
Speaker 1: to have the upper hand, whether it's you know, as
Speaker 1: a country, as a company, let's say, than to be
Speaker 1: able to mess with other people's satellites, to be able
Speaker 1: to disrupt or have some sort of supremacy because like
Speaker 1: we said earlier, I mean, we don't police outer space
Speaker 1: in the same way that we police the skies, you know,
Speaker 1: of the world. Yeah, I mean, you know, so sort
Speaker 1: of fair game. And we we can't have any space wars.
Speaker 1: We have treaties. Were not allowed to uh have any
Speaker 1: kind of combat in space, at least from from a
Speaker 1: legal perspective. No country is allowed to engage in battle
Speaker 1: up there, right. Oh, And I want to I want
Speaker 1: to give a brief thank you to someone. I cannot
Speaker 1: remember who said this, but I had. I was talking
Speaker 1: about either the Dead Hands system or something else in
Speaker 1: a live show, and I misspoke because I described the
Speaker 1: Strategic Defense Initiative a k A. Star Wars program baron
Speaker 1: Reagan's administration, and I wasn't clear enough, So I want
Speaker 1: to be clear now as far as we know, it
Speaker 1: was not actually built. It was only proposed. So I
Speaker 1: do want to be emphatic about that. As far as
Speaker 1: we know, it was never built. And one last thing
Speaker 1: we have remember the X thirty seven B is created
Speaker 1: by Boeing. Yes, And this is another thing to keep
Speaker 1: in mind when we're discussing private companies and governments and
Speaker 1: programs like NASA and the intersection between companies like this
Speaker 1: where Northrop Grumman or Boeing or you know, any of
Speaker 1: these other corporations they get huge contracts from the government
Speaker 1: to build stuff like the X thirty seven b um.
Speaker 1: So you know, when you think about a government institution
Speaker 1: versus corporation, it's not it's not always that binary, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's that's a very good point. It is
Speaker 1: often a false psychotomy. So what we're talking about now
Speaker 1: is the militarization of space. And you can see them.
Speaker 1: You can see the bread crumbons begin to disappear in
Speaker 1: the post Cold World War era. So one example of
Speaker 1: this would be that you're absolutely correct now and you
Speaker 1: say that there are international treaties restricting, you know, restricting China, India, Japan,
Speaker 1: the US and Russia from starting nuclear war in space.
Speaker 1: Hopefully that's the plan. But as far as listening in
Speaker 1: space or what's called a space sensing system, that is
Speaker 1: still uh you know, that is still occurring. And one
Speaker 1: example of it would be the use of well they've evolved, right,
Speaker 1: they've evolved since Corona spy satellites now have stuff like
Speaker 1: high resolution photography, which is called image intelligence where immant.
Speaker 1: These are all weird acronyms. Communications eavesdropping or sig iNTS
Speaker 1: signals intelligence and covert communications. Hum int is not what
Speaker 1: are what? Gift are Noel Brown and Ben Bole and
Speaker 1: texting each other today? Shrimp and white wine? That was
Speaker 1: a great one. Good Yeah did you actually were you
Speaker 1: actually eating shrimp? I was drinking white wine them? Okay,
Speaker 1: Well it checks out. So if we think about it, though,
Speaker 1: this kind of listening in this sort of low earth
Speaker 1: orbit eavesdropping lack of a better word, is necessary from
Speaker 1: a state perspective, like you want to know who's doing what,
Speaker 1: especially if you've got active enemies, people who are looking
Speaker 1: to ensure your demise. It's probably a good idea and
Speaker 1: also provides early warning and missile launches detection of nuclear detonation.
Speaker 1: That's that's probably how uh the Great Powers new when
Speaker 1: India and Pakistan conducted nuclear tests. That also gives us
Speaker 1: to you know, that's probably why they learned about the
Speaker 1: Vela incidents. Did we do we did an audio podcast
Speaker 1: on Villa incident? I don't know if we did an
Speaker 1: audio podcasts. Devella incident is an alleged nuclear test by
Speaker 1: alleged I just mean we don't officially know who did it.
Speaker 1: Do you think though, that having these giant corporations like
Speaker 1: Amazon and SpaceX. I mean, I don't know SpaceX is
Speaker 1: an exactly a giant corporation, but Musk definitely represents, you know,
Speaker 1: an economic force in and of himself. Do you think
Speaker 1: there's a conflict of interest having these private individuals who
Speaker 1: are out, you know, to make a profit enter into
Speaker 1: this sphere? You know, absolutely? Yeah. I mean, for for me,
Speaker 1: it's always a conflict of interest when there's something good
Speaker 1: as the goal, but then profit is the overall motive. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, also it's it's necessary if we look at
Speaker 1: the history of human exploration and expansion, uh after the
Speaker 1: European way, Like many of the great old civilizations right
Speaker 1: from African African Continent ancient civilizations to you know, the
Speaker 1: Middle Kingdom or China, they were expanding typically through some
Speaker 1: sort of quests for resources you know, uh so, and
Speaker 1: and that applies you know to those European countries as well.
Speaker 1: I my fear is that the that we will be
Speaker 1: alive when the first manned off world colony comes into existence,
Speaker 1: and that it will be run by something much more
Speaker 1: like the dutchy c India Company than a altruistic saved
Speaker 1: the world or saved the species kind of thing. Mars
Speaker 1: banana plantations. Maybe here's something creepy too. Another thing that
Speaker 1: these satellites are used for, of course, is GPS, which listeners,
Speaker 1: let's be honest, you probably used somewhat recently. GPS is
Speaker 1: the stuff man I I I think if any technology
Speaker 1: that exists today that didn't when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: that is by far my favorite. It's a game changer
Speaker 1: for sure. I mean in a lot of different scenarios.
Speaker 1: Even if you're if you're like me and can't find
Speaker 1: your way out of a paper bag, that's changed my life.
Speaker 1: The cost of maintaining that system. It's okay. So the system,
Speaker 1: the GPS system, and you know they're they're different ones,
Speaker 1: right Like India has the Indian Regional Navigational Satellite System,
Speaker 1: the Global Positioning System UH that was originally designed, was
Speaker 1: designed by and is still controlled by UH, someone who
Speaker 1: will let anyone use it free of charge. Do you
Speaker 1: know who designed to get rolls it? No? I think
Speaker 1: you do know it's the US Department of Defense. So uh,
Speaker 1: you know the same kind of like the Google strategy
Speaker 1: ask ask me anything free? All you know, of course
Speaker 1: that's that services free. They're not going to give you
Speaker 1: a GPS phone or Internet connection. UM. So that I
Speaker 1: can imagine that being a thing though in the future.
Speaker 1: And so it you know, it leads people to wonder
Speaker 1: what what happens with this data? You know? Uh. And
Speaker 1: then there's there's the other idea that we just talked
Speaker 1: about net network centric warfare. So using these communication abilities
Speaker 1: to essentially have clarabuoyance, you know, to to be the
Speaker 1: three of us were in a battle on one side
Speaker 1: or the other, then the people that had sent us
Speaker 1: there would want us to be able to know like, oh,
Speaker 1: across the field, the that Frederick Coonian is prepping a
Speaker 1: and H electromagnetic disruptor or something, you know, and he
Speaker 1: would he would. It's so Fredrick on Ian and right,
Speaker 1: and we know that, um, we we know that the
Speaker 1: things like the X thirty seven, the unmanned aerial vehicles
Speaker 1: are reality. Doubtlessly there are other countries attempting to do
Speaker 1: the same thing, if not doing it currently. And what
Speaker 1: one more example of an active secret space program, which
Speaker 1: is happening now as we speak. So in early two thousand's,
Speaker 1: both the US and China sent some pretty tense barely veiled, uh,
Speaker 1: barely veiled threats to each other. Uh what what? What
Speaker 1: did they do? So in the early as both the
Speaker 1: US and China sent some pretty tense signals, let's say,
Speaker 1: to each other, when they both publicly unveiled their satellite
Speaker 1: killing technology. I love that the idea of satellite killers,
Speaker 1: but this was actually presented as an efficient way to
Speaker 1: dispose of their own aging satellites on both sides, and
Speaker 1: they actually made pretty clear threats against each other. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's a perfect veiled threat. Right, Oh our
Speaker 1: satellite is not functioning. Oh look we killed it and
Speaker 1: it just you know, it's that whole under the table
Speaker 1: thing as just shows you, well, you know it could
Speaker 1: have been your satellite. Yeah wink. And you know in
Speaker 1: two thousand eight there's another one called Operation Burnt Frost
Speaker 1: or burn Frost. I think it's Burnt Frost. This was
Speaker 1: one our the U. S Military destroyed and nonfunctioning n
Speaker 1: r O National Reconnaistance Office satellite. UM again, same kind
Speaker 1: of deal, just like here, we're gonna send this missile
Speaker 1: up and we can target a satellite in freaking space.
Speaker 1: This is clearly an example of UM paying lip service
Speaker 1: to one thing and just saying this is a test
Speaker 1: of capabilities. But everybody knew what the rty on the
Speaker 1: wall was. Here are my muscles, my ability to shoot
Speaker 1: downside once? Yeah, it's like someone saying just casually stay
Speaker 1: and look at this knife. Yeah yeah, look how far
Speaker 1: I can throw it? And uh, this is These are
Speaker 1: just some examples of things that are proven but remain
Speaker 1: to some degree classified. Right, So where to now? Well,
Speaker 1: now we get into the deep dark areas, the places
Speaker 1: where life barely penetrates. We're in the fringe. You guys,
Speaker 1: you're ready for this one? I'm just gonna say one name,
Speaker 1: Gary McKinnon. Oh you know what we're talking about. We're
Speaker 1: talking about hacking NASA back in two thousand one, I
Speaker 1: think two thousand two was one. He was actively hacking NASA,
Speaker 1: going through their databases, and uh, this gentleman found well,
Speaker 1: he declares that he found some pretty crazy stuff. I
Speaker 1: think early on in an interview that he gave to
Speaker 1: Wired News just a couple of years after, and that
Speaker 1: he had done this. I believe he was two thousand six.
Speaker 1: He says, this is a quote. I knew that government
Speaker 1: suppressed anti gravity UFO related technologies, free energy or what
Speaker 1: they call zero point energy. This should not be hidden
Speaker 1: from the public when pensioners can't pay their bills, you know. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this statement alone right here. So you've got a
Speaker 1: person who is personally motivated to go and find these
Speaker 1: things that he believes exists inside I'd mass a server somewhere. Um,
Speaker 1: he goes in and he thinks that he's found some
Speaker 1: of this stuff. He I think, let's see. He claimed
Speaker 1: to find a manifest that described what we're called non
Speaker 1: terrestrial officers, and he claimed that he did see an
Speaker 1: image particular of of a craft with technology that does
Speaker 1: not exists. But he wasn't able to get that image
Speaker 1: to then show it to other people, which you know,
Speaker 1: it stinks because you want to believe at any point,
Speaker 1: you want to believe a person at least this is
Speaker 1: this is Matt speaking for himself. I want to believe
Speaker 1: what someone says at all times. But it's very tough
Speaker 1: to take something like that that's so out there, a
Speaker 1: claim that just kind of makes you roll your eyes
Speaker 1: a little bit, even if you want to believe it,
Speaker 1: what do you think it does come off as a
Speaker 1: bit of a stretch. And I agree. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: it's the nature of me. You know, it's like a
Speaker 1: it's like a sticky kind of a slippery slope writing
Speaker 1: that line between skepticism and belief, and you kind of
Speaker 1: have to just find a happy middle ground. And I
Speaker 1: think you do a fine job of that yourself. Man, Well,
Speaker 1: you know one other thing. Then you have to remember
Speaker 1: this guy is on a fifty six K modem back
Speaker 1: into early two thousand's as he's going through these servers
Speaker 1: and I'm imagining downloading the image because you guys, remember
Speaker 1: back then, as the image comes now it's going one
Speaker 1: or two lines at a time, and just I imagine
Speaker 1: being Gary McKinnon and just seeing this image develop one
Speaker 1: line at a time. Right, what is this? Yeah? What?
Speaker 1: He It's weird because it gets into some technical stuff there,
Speaker 1: because he says that he got into Johnson Space Centers
Speaker 1: Building eight, that he remotely accessed the terminal there and
Speaker 1: they found a folder that had the photographs that were
Speaker 1: two hundreds or three hundred megabyte images and the pictures
Speaker 1: were of cigar shaped craft in orbit. But as you say,
Speaker 1: it was on a dial up, so he's he here's
Speaker 1: his quote. I turned the color down to four bit
Speaker 1: and the screen resolution really really low, and even then
Speaker 1: it was still juttering as it came onto the screen.
Speaker 1: But it was whatever came on was amazing and culmination
Speaker 1: of all my efforts. It was a picture of something
Speaker 1: that definitely wasn't man made. But again he's looking at
Speaker 1: it at four bits of color with super low screen
Speaker 1: resolution just in order to see it, right, and at
Speaker 1: that point the image is so degraded, then how can
Speaker 1: you ever tell what it actually is? Well, he says
Speaker 1: he was able to take a screenshot. Where's that? I
Speaker 1: can't find it looking for it? Right now. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: looking for the screenshot, trying a screenshot of a terrible picture.
Speaker 1: I'll take that his computer was seized by police during
Speaker 1: his first rest and no two. Uh So, people say,
Speaker 1: is the claim to have seen evidence of the UFO
Speaker 1: cover up credible? For bit It's tough, um. And you
Speaker 1: know at that point, would that be a what how
Speaker 1: would you know that was not an artist for rendition?
Speaker 1: How would you know that was the bona fide article? Yeah,
Speaker 1: or just some ideas that are being thrown around, Like
Speaker 1: imagine some of the meetings for development for shows and
Speaker 1: stuff like that that we have here, but that's all internal.
Speaker 1: You know, it might be on one of our hard
Speaker 1: drives or even on a server or something. If we're
Speaker 1: like on our team, the video team will make a
Speaker 1: sketch up, a mock up of what a show might
Speaker 1: look like or something like that. And I can imagine
Speaker 1: someone at NASSA or Goddard mocking up, well, hey, this
Speaker 1: is what a possible spacecraft could look like if we
Speaker 1: implemented these technologies. I don't know, I can see it. Well.
Speaker 1: The part of the issue here is that he's still
Speaker 1: fighting extradition. He is in the UK right, and he
Speaker 1: is fighting off Uncle Sam. Wants the extradidem to the US,
Speaker 1: and they're going to a lot of trouble to get him.
Speaker 1: They're going to like a sane level, well not a
Speaker 1: sange level. As soon as a Sande is out of
Speaker 1: the embassy, he's just black bagged, I'm sure. But but
Speaker 1: what you know, I think it's such an interesting case
Speaker 1: because he went in there not for some political or
Speaker 1: ideological and so much as he went in there because
Speaker 1: he believes that free energy is real, that the US
Speaker 1: government has discovered it or has somehow created vehicles that
Speaker 1: can use it, and he wanted to prove it to
Speaker 1: the world. Obviously. Uh, he had a great combination of
Speaker 1: skill and luck when it comes to UM online espionage.
Speaker 1: I think it was all because he read a book
Speaker 1: that had come out around then about basic hacker codes,
Speaker 1: like not not codes, but codes of conduct, that kind
Speaker 1: of thing, like how to how to view the UM
Speaker 1: philosophy of being a hacker, and he was inspired by it.
Speaker 1: And you'll see so many people online or on the
Speaker 1: lecture circuit who insists that they have proof of secret
Speaker 1: space programs involving alien technology or extraterrestrials. Themselves and how cool.
Speaker 1: Just show me the money, guys and the spacecraft show Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: show me the saucer. The The interesting thing about this, though,
Speaker 1: is that, in a way we've talked about this in
Speaker 1: the past. In a way, many abduction stories, or many
Speaker 1: working with alien stories have tropes that are similar to
Speaker 1: stories from earlier ages of I think things like fairies
Speaker 1: or change leans or elves, and you know, from a
Speaker 1: folklore perspective, we have to ask ourselves, are these stories
Speaker 1: just echoes of earlier stories that have changed their clothes
Speaker 1: for our modern age? Or or yeah, is it real?
Speaker 1: And as it continued happening somehow without universally acknowledged proof.
Speaker 1: Here's a catchy thing about launching a space shuttle launching
Speaker 1: spacecraft satellite uh an I CBM like an intercontinent continental
Speaker 1: ballistic missile which goes in suborbital fight. Um people will know.
Speaker 1: The average person will only really know if they're close
Speaker 1: enough to see it. The people who will know are
Speaker 1: the people who control the sensory equipment. And there are
Speaker 1: not a whole lot of those people. So if they
Speaker 1: all agree to keep something the secret, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: it's plausible, but I am saying that something can launch
Speaker 1: with fewer people knowing than you might expect. And what
Speaker 1: if there is technology that doesn't require a launch like
Speaker 1: that with burning of fuel that could be detected in
Speaker 1: that way. What if the zero point energy thing is real, Ben,
Speaker 1: and it's in a hangar somewhere out in Groom Lake,
Speaker 1: then then we would If that's the case, then we
Speaker 1: would go to the economic argument of artificial scarcity, right
Speaker 1: like to maintain a status quo of social inequality and injustice. Uh,
Speaker 1: the powers that be, whatever those powers would be described as,
Speaker 1: are conspiring to prevent UH technological advancement pass a certain threshold.
Speaker 1: Which is interesting because I remember hearing years and years
Speaker 1: and years ago someone say that um Mayan and Aztec
Speaker 1: civilization was amazingly advanced, yet no one had invent it
Speaker 1: the wheel, which seemed to me like utter bunk, you know.
Speaker 1: And I remember as a kid, I formed this entire
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory in my head, and I thought, Yeah, every
Speaker 1: time somebody built a wheel, they were sacrificed and killed
Speaker 1: or they ended up abandoned in the jungle or something,
Speaker 1: because it was a profane idol of some sort. It
Speaker 1: was like the man was keeping him down. Uh. I
Speaker 1: have absolutely no proof whatsoever that or even if that
Speaker 1: story is real, because it still seems highly implausible to me.
Speaker 1: This is something that I just remember thinking of as
Speaker 1: a kid. Well, let's talk about how this zero point
Speaker 1: energy idea came about, because it for me, at least
Speaker 1: from my understanding, it traces it. It's traces its origins
Speaker 1: back to and the Roswell incident when we thought there
Speaker 1: was a there perhaps was probably not though a an
Speaker 1: alien spacecraft of some sort or a UFO that crash
Speaker 1: landed that used this type of technolog g that was
Speaker 1: then you know, broken apart and re engineered by by
Speaker 1: let's say, the US military. Yeah, that's the idea. Um.
Speaker 1: I hate to be the party pooper in the bunch
Speaker 1: and I'm usually not this person, but it seems like
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff we found looking into it
Speaker 1: indicates that it was part of Project Mogul, Right, the
Speaker 1: weather balloons meant to sense nuclear detonation on everything that
Speaker 1: we looked at. You're right, that's what That's what I
Speaker 1: would lean towards as the reason that the Roswald crash happened.
Speaker 1: But you're talking about the actual the idea of free energy. Yes,
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about the origins of this thought process
Speaker 1: of connecting the stuff together. You know, because aliens I
Speaker 1: have fascinated humans for decades centuries. Yeah, absolutely, And as
Speaker 1: our technology has progressed the way it's changed, as we
Speaker 1: get into microchips, as we get into what was it transistors.
Speaker 1: I forget what the huge leap was in the like
Speaker 1: around that time forty seven, because there there's some pretty
Speaker 1: interesting technological leaps that occurred right around that time. But
Speaker 1: you know, is that coincidence? Is that just because our
Speaker 1: technology is at that point? Um, you know, who who's
Speaker 1: to say? Not me? I don't, I don't, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And there's so many other there's so many other secret
Speaker 1: space programs that we could say are alleged to exist,
Speaker 1: like the Black Night satellite, which we looked at in
Speaker 1: the past. Uh. The idea for for extraterrestrials, the idea
Speaker 1: usually takes one of one of three tax like aliens
Speaker 1: exist and are in communication with some elite human lead organization,
Speaker 1: or aliens crashed recently and some elite human organization took
Speaker 1: their stuff, or aliens crashed in the distant past, and
Speaker 1: the ruins were found and somehow humanity was able to
Speaker 1: put those back together. I think those all make for
Speaker 1: fascinating stories. And I would lose my mind if there
Speaker 1: was proof of it. It would it would be astonished.
Speaker 1: I would be running in the streets around Ponts. I
Speaker 1: would the street that is Ponts. You better look both ways,
Speaker 1: I like, I wouldn't care though, I'd be like Heliah
Speaker 1: and then you won't be around to see you when
Speaker 1: they come down, And you know, yeah, I don't care.
Speaker 1: I'd hit the greens on the corner make their presentation.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, their power point power point. What if of
Speaker 1: all the technology that humanity has managed, the mcgever together
Speaker 1: on our time here, power point is the most impressive
Speaker 1: to aliens. Not crazy, bring up some Excel spreadsheets, not
Speaker 1: anything else about computers, just power point and clip art,
Speaker 1: clip art. They love clip art. So what do we
Speaker 1: take away from all this? Gents? Well, what do you think? No?
Speaker 1: I think, and again this is my opinion. I think
Speaker 1: it is foolish to assume that there are not programs,
Speaker 1: secret space programs taking place. And I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: I keep harping on this privatization of space travel and
Speaker 1: what that could mean but wouldn't it be possible that
Speaker 1: these companies have a forward facing kind of public wing
Speaker 1: and then maybe they've got some kind of skunk work,
Speaker 1: see stuff going on behind the scenes. You think about
Speaker 1: the money that goes into some of these corporations that
Speaker 1: are working directly with the government. Yeah, and all the
Speaker 1: while everyone's like rockets, look at that. That is so cool,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's just it's is a big wow factor.
Speaker 1: But you know, there could be other things going on.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We didn't even mention black budgets that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of the governments so much secret money for
Speaker 1: all the people who are saying, I don't know where
Speaker 1: all where's all that tax money going? Uh? A lot
Speaker 1: of it is a lot of it is secreted away
Speaker 1: because there have to there have to be layers of
Speaker 1: plausible deniability so that your local representative or your senator
Speaker 1: doesn't know about it, and and many times they genuinely
Speaker 1: do not. And all that stuff would likely be militaristic
Speaker 1: in nature, much much of it would be yet dirty stuff.
Speaker 1: And then sometimes you know, in the past, at least
Speaker 1: in the US where we're recording this podcast, in the past,
Speaker 1: government agencies have gone rogue against like against the law
Speaker 1: and against the wishes of the rest of the governments,
Speaker 1: and waged illegal wars or assisted in drug trafficking to
Speaker 1: raise money for specific operations. And I'm not saying an
Speaker 1: entire agents e went rogue. I'm just saying factions. So
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think, uh, it could likely be
Speaker 1: military nature. What disturbs me the most is the idea
Speaker 1: that's somewhere above us there might be uh satellite with
Speaker 1: nuclear deployment capability. It's possible. You're saying a nuclear weapon
Speaker 1: that could be just in violation of all the treaties, yeah,
Speaker 1: or in violation of the more as I should say,
Speaker 1: of international law. Um, I think it's I think it
Speaker 1: is possible. I don't know if it's plausible. I have
Speaker 1: absolutely no proof for it. Space death ray episode, maybe
Speaker 1: a space death ray episode. Note a bad idea? Why yeah,
Speaker 1: why would you not have a giant active laser up there,
Speaker 1: just ready to go. I feel as long as it's
Speaker 1: your giant active laser, we're cool. Right, that's the takeaway
Speaker 1: from today. So before we head out today, we have
Speaker 1: time for one more thing. Yes, that's right, shout out corner,
Speaker 1: and we have a guest theme today. I'm feeling a
Speaker 1: little bit put to shame by this. Wesley Slover did
Speaker 1: a musical tribute to the Shout Out Corner and it
Speaker 1: is quite unsettling and kind of love. Yeah, it's well done.
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Speaker 1: of show it off. And next shout out to Kian Kean.
Speaker 1: You describe yourself as an irishman living in Minnesota. Ladies
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Speaker 1: kind words. Uh and we aard. You want us to
Speaker 1: look into Virgin Mary appearances and other supposed miracles. You
Speaker 1: also suggested we dive deeper into alternative medicines, both the
Speaker 1: myths and the truths. I like both of those. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we haven't done much on miracles, No, not at all.
Speaker 1: I don't think we have. We we discussed, we've discussed
Speaker 1: some prophecies. We discussed some prophecies involving the Catholic Church.
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